shashlik.... Shadowsun... Shadowrun General - /srg/

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>>53830013

Post Matrix avatars.

>>53826429

It's been a looooong hiatus.

But now that our GM is back, and assuming one of our players survives the next month and a half, we might might be getting back into it.

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>>53830152
We did this like 2 threads ago. Go check.

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>>53830182
>>53830152
Three threads ago, my bad: >>53710560

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>>53830246
Is that a matrix avatar that's meant to look like that normally or is it magic avatar that is struggling and decompiling?

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>>53830152

>>53830215
I's nice to know someone found Nikken Chuggets' avatar amusing enough to save it.

>>53830246
>>53830374
Spooky. I like them.

>>53830182
I now have a matrix avatar for a GM is I ever play a shadowrunner who gets involved in games of DnD or some other similar system online in their off time.

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>>53830532
>>53830507
>>53830491

Ok I love these.
Despite not having full faces they manage to have a lot of personality.

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>>53830507
More like this please

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>>53831022

>Daily reminder that we are trying to get a 4E play-by-post group together on discord. The first character has been posted, we are DOING this thing. Join us at https://discord.gg/FepvP8

Wew Lad!
Happy to see things are moving along.

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>>53830013

Do any of you lads ever like to explore alternate shadowrun worlds where early space industry and colonization is a thing?

This series has got me thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgxkilF5XUM

It wouldn't have to be taking place in space but I imagine the population pressure on earth decreasing and corps fighting eachother over space industries could justify implementing various changes in setting if you want to stay earthbound.

So i am a making a bear healing/ utility(maybe summoning?)shaman. What should i not miss out on? Skills, gear, spells?

>>53831524
It's already happening in actual Shadowrun world. There are colonies on Luna and Mars, and yes, megacorps are doing shady shit up there, too. You could easily blend something like The Expanse's setup of the solar system with Shadowrun, there's just be a lot more big players involved.

>>53831524
Yes, as my first shadowruning experience.
Standart ex-millitary mercenaries with their own ship. Crew was a guy who spoke about two sentences per session, nice player as our face, a guy who played a loli elf on drugs that would not shut up how funny his char is and how funny is a loli with a chainsaw, finaly as first time rigger.
Was fun exploring the space until it went from magic doesnt exist to you all get awakened. My 1 essence rigger was shafted while the loli elf got obnoxious to whole new level.

>>53831664

I hadn't really thought about magic off of earth in shadowrun and how magic may be different in space.

Why are aliases so fuckin hard come up with.
I blame the fact that its not supposed to be something cool you pick yourself.

>>53832736
Good news: You don't have to. Space is a mana void, you can't magic up there.

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Would Santa Clause exist in Shadowrun?

I don't mean as a literal magic person (but this could happen), I'm thinking more like a powerful free spirit. Could it work? Is there any fluff on this?

>>53832776
I like using abstracts, like I have a decker whose alias is "Umbrala" because he's a sneaker, a stealther, and a Sleaze hacker and his persona and icons are shadows, but it's spoken like "umbrella", a canopy that protects from inclement weather and provides shade. Describe your character and maybe we can come up with something.

>>53832802
Space itself is, but what about planetary colonies or constructs like space stations where life actually exists?

>>53833039
I don't think their current populations are large enough to actually support much in the way of a manasphere. Earth is covered in life, and you cast magic as normal, so imagine the background penalties you'd get slapped with for being on a space station of 500 people and their attendant bacteria.

>>53833057
Fair point, though the station hydroponics would also get a vote. I guess the population would have to boom to eventually sustain a suitable manasphere, which means either massive colony stations like Gundam, or large-scale planetary colonies like Mars in The Expanse.
>>53833006
That motherfucker optioned out. Now he's Saeder Claus and Essen HQ employees have to sit on Lofwyr's lap and plead their cases why they belong on the Nice list.

>>53833079
Unless they make a story about the Mary sue clown going to space, magic won't be cast there.

>>53833150
>CGL
>paying any attention to space
How can they push Awakened supremacy up there?

>>53833057
I would think you would need as much people as would be needed for Heart of the City spirit to raise. Alongside actual ecosystem with all its flora and fauna to be self sustainable. Once the circle of life is set the mana sphere should follow.

>>53833027

46 year old elf that can and mostly does pass as a 20-something human, Both very intelligent and charismatic, sense of fashion, not socially retarded blah blah normal face stuff. She dabbles in the decker side of things as a side effect of her addiction to media and plays Arcadium Online in her spare time like a big nerd. She's borderline useless in combat and is a pacifist to some extent because blood is gross and should stay inside of people. She isn't apposed to using her modified burstfire taser to lay a scumbag out though.

She spent her early life being a boring book nerd, teen years partying to the fullest to experience the world she was missing, and early adulthood with a figurative hangover as a result while deciding maybe not so much world would be fine and settled down to a nice calm life of Shadowrunning.

Some years later shes renting an nice place with two of the other runners on the team, Because of all her various 'escapades' random people just sort of show up in the house, Usually passed out, drunk, on drugs, or any combination thereof.

Cyberears and Cybereyes
8 CHA 5 INT 9 LOG
'only' 23 seduction dice

>>53833176
Ork migration?

>>53832736
It doesn't work, except on some parts of mars where there's mana for some reason. No-one knows why. (It's doom.)

>>53833311
>Because of all her various 'escapades' random people just sort of show up in the house, Usually passed out, drunk, on drugs, or any combination thereof.
Are these typically welcomed people? Like, does she kick them out, or does she offer them sanctuary?

>>53833311
>is a pacifist to some extent because blood is gross and should stay inside of people. She isn't apposed to using her modified burstfire taser to lay a scumbag out though.

I've seen this come up a few times in character descriptions and stories and I'm a bit mystified as to how it works out.

>>53832776
Think about what makes your character.
Their quirks, appearance, skills, gear, etc.
Got it?
Now try to insult them using that

>>53834036
Can't speak for them, but I suppose a thought process of "killing them is bad, crippling them is bad, but temporarily, non-lethally putting them out of the fight is OK"
So anything that goes away after they leave is ok, anything that leads to permanent scars/death is bad

>>53833006
>I'm thinking more like a powerful free spirit. Could it work?
Literally anything and everything can exist within a deep plane somewhere, and it only takes the right astral tide before they're here in the physical world.

>>53832776
Here's every 'Runner's dark secret: they absolutely picked their own alias because they thought it was cool and are completely lying about it being a given nickname.

>>53834036
It's a limit, to be sure, but it's not game breaking unless you go full Pacifist II (no violent action, ever, even if you're getting shot and your mother is being raped)
I've got a character in my game that has pacifist, and in our last session it kinda bit the party in the ass because she was with one other party member and they had to knock out two guards, but she couldn't bring herself to start the fight due to the guards being unaware and non-hostile. Which lead to an alarm being raised, but it all worked out when the infiltrator street sam hijacked an APC.

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>>53831172
Helykk on Tumblr. They draw a lot of 40k, too.

>>53830699
I can never see helmeted Akira without thinking of Malal.

>>53830013
>* Your Current Rep Score: 10 (88% Positive)

reeeeeeeee

>>53835413
OP has a hangover, what do you expect?

/srg/, my flat broke, couch surfing character may or may not have unknowingly accepted a blood spirit as a mentor. What do?

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>>53833176
They did come up with rules for magic in space; a basic set in SG, and advanced rules for all kinds of space stuff (from zero-g combat to magic) in R&G.

>>53835487

Deal with dragon

>>53835537
That sounds like a great idea.

I got a question about Suppressing Fire.

What gun qualities do I need in order to actually use suppressing fire? Obviously I won't be able to do it with a gun that is Single Shot, or just Semi Auto, but say, the Ares Crusader II. its semi auto and Burst Fire. could that suppress? Or do I HAVE to have something with full auto to do suppression?

>>53835614
IIRC you need FA for Suppressive Fire
that's it

>>53831022
>4E
Damn it.

>>53834846
I miss Decu.

Malal best girl. Malal is cute, CUTE

>>53837946
>>53834846
stop reminding me of pleasant days gone by.

How to make an unarmed adept? Is unarmed damage normally (str/2)? Seems really weak compared to weapon options for melee

>>53839417

With some Martial Arts and Adept powers you can easily get up to some +7 to that. At the very least.

>>53839439
What adept power adds to unarmed damage except for critical strike?

>>53835703
On that note, can I suppressing fire with a 12round gun despite not being able to pay 20 rounds?

Is it unheard of for a runner to not really have a nickname just a fake name?

>>53840461
There's a rule for that IIRC. Every couple of rounds short your gun is reduces the width of the cone by a meter, something like that.

Carry a spare Extended Mag?

>>53839439

Ah, actually I assume you're going by 5th edition? In which case no, they shafted unarmed combat completely. Especially considering the increased firearms damage.

>>53840567

I mean it's definately not unheard of, but people will have a harder time remembering that "Dave" instead of "Toe tip toaster" the nimble fire slinging mage.

>>53840567
The line between nickname, fake name and handle is a thin one. Consider Kane, Butch, and Red Anya.

So long as you're not telling everyone your real name, it's fine.

>>53840567
While I get that you mean something like 'John Smith' a runner's Streetname is arguably more of a real name to him than whatever his SIN says. Most end up as runners in the first place cause they can't go back anyway.

Then there are some people that may never have had a 'real' name to go with a SIN anyway.
If you were born in some chip den in the barrens, Scrappy is as good a name as any other, I guess.

Where that may get interesting is for high end runners who can use other fake identities to dupe people into believing that that's who they are.
Say you don't trust your team, but don't want them to know or whatever. Give them a name that looks somewhat plausible if you check it int he Matrix and you may have bought some trust.

I thinks it's pretty much a given that you don't tell your Johnson who you are, just like they are never really a Johnson by birth...So even if you introduce yourself as John Smith, nobody would bat an eye I imagine.

>>53841062
>just like they are never really a Johnson by birth
You've never met a Johnson who really is known as Mr. Johnson?

>>53841149
The point of being a Johnson is they should never be able to tell.

>>53841255
That's awfully unfair for all the actual Johnsons, don't you think?

>>53841276
>2079
>not checking your Cis-Johnson privilege

>>53841149
I once had a Mr. Johnson contact whose initials were M.R. Johnson. Sort of accidentally fell into the role due to an administrative error, some secretary filled his name into the career field during data entry.

His superiors mistook his fear-frozen face for implaccable stoicism during meets. He just wants to retire without getting 'retired' for knowing too much, but instead keeps getting more responsibility.

Once his loyalty got high enough he became a drinking buddy for the team and revealed the truth. We never betrayed his trust.

>>53841635

This is beautiful and i'm stealing it.

>>53839417
>>53840718
If you're wanting an unarmed adept in 5e you're going to either need elemental body and a good magic and soak score, or dip just your toe in bioware for bone density augmentation (rank 4 gets you a bonus 4 damage) and striking calluses, rank 4 in that is another plus two. Depending on GM, hey may allow knucks to count as unarmed, if so, bam, another plus one.
It isn't as easy to be Godhand in 5e, but it's still feasible. They just kind of screwed up beefing gun damage alongside it, since now it's high risk medium reward, for most melee situations.

>>53841909
Bone Density 4 is +3 to your unarmed, the first rating of Bone Density just turns your punches lethal.

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I'd climb the Eiger.

What keeps your character from quitting the shadows and doing something safer after the first time they get shot or almost bite it?

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>>53830152

>>53842356

A regular Ares paycheck and the espirit de corps.

>>53842173
I...dont know
Not much work for bounty hunter
Security Cops wouldn't hire retired cop with SIN of AA one.
So started shadowrunning.
Now I mostly do it because I grew attached to the team and trying to keep them safe

Meant >>53842522 for >>53842356

>>53842356
Well they want to die, So...

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>>53842571
>wants to die
>won't just an hero
2edgy
I've always wanted to play a total edgelord campaign where everybody plays an over-the-top edgy character. Trenchcoats, dead parents and guilt-ridden pasts errwhere.

>>53842660
Wanting to die in a blaze of glory and wanting to off yourself are different things Anon.

>>53842356
For one, getting shot at is not going to get in the way of a lucrative job.
For another, he NEEDS MORE TEST SUBJECTS.
For a third, he wants to show off the unbridled magic power he and his mentor spirit wield.
The fourth is some kind of lab-grown bioware spooky murder fetishist, and gets off on it.

>>53842730
>>53842356
oh, and we can't forget, the guy who just loves killin'.

>>53842356
Nothing else gives quite a thrill.

>>53842356

Quit. The shadows came back to bite him.

Quit again. Shadows came back and killed his family.

Quit. Shadows came back again.

It's not that he can't quit the shadows, the shadows won't quit him. So, now he's just going to keep going and never stop because fuck you.

>>53842667

But both are still le epik EdGeLoRd material

>>53842740
>Listen, if you ever need anybody murdered PLEASE give me a call. I'm very discreet. I have no code of ethics. I will kill anyone, anywhere. Children, animals, old people, dudn' matter. I just love killin'!

>>53842826
John Wick pls

>>53842902

Honestly, as much as I love the movie, I hate that it is so readily a comparison because the guy was around before I knew about the movie.

And he plays it off entirely different. More like the 3rd time you've sent the meal back to the chef because you're allergic to onions, and he keeps putting onions on your meal. Like, frustrated, and pissed, but not... ya know... John Wick.

>>53842740
Oh boy here i got killin again

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>>53842356
He used to be a cop, Knight Errant. He was Firewatch before that; it's where he got all his chrome. Years in service to the company, he thought that was where he belonged.

But when his precinct got shut down for contract violations, he was the only one who didn't end up in the slam. But he wasn't something they wanted to keep around, either, so they handed him a severance package and a UCAS SIN application and sent him on his way.

He never made it to the immigration office. While he was mad that he'd basically flushed 25 years away and the corp tossed him aside like a broken toy, he also realized that for the first time, he didn't have to follow orders. And a guy with his skills and ware could go a long way in the Shadows. Find something safer? Nah. Freedom tastes too good.

What things shouldn't you allow your party to restricted gear

>>53843835
Sexbots

>>53843835
Sex toys.

>>53843908
>The sex toy has a damage block that ends in P instead of S

Does Gabby as an alias for a female face make you want to punch me IRL? Please rate in a 1-5 scale with 5 being Drizzt Do'Urden the Street Sam

>>53844210
No NEETs allowed.

>>53844210
1, it's a normal name with some slight pun qualities. Like naming an asshole Richard.

I was sort of hoping you guys might give me answers like shock rams and mil spec, but I guess sex toys will do

>>53844386
There's nothing wrong with allowing mil spec if you remember that in its intro, they very clearly state THIS IS ATTENTION GRABBING

>>53830013
>favorite drug or alcohol fuelled memory
>memory

If you remember it you're not doing it right.

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>>53845705
You just lack imagination, compadre: BTLs make that butter better, and it comes with a replay.

How do you feel about amnesiac characters?

>>53845989
Like it's a lazy excuse to not bother making a character background.

>>53846042
What about Neural Deletion?

>>53845989

I think it takes both a good GM and a good player.

One of my favorite characters was an Amnesiac, and one of the running jokes was that he didn't even know he was an Orc, because he had the Human Looking quality (Which I, as the player, didn't know for the longest time). Just thought he was an old, rough-life-having guy.

>>53843835
Rating 6 SINs. Make the buggers work for it.

>>53845989
I don't remember.

>>53846052
>How do you feel about amnesiac characters?
>It's lazy.
>And how do you feel about amnesiac characters?

>>53846704
Thatsthejoke

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>>53830152
Matrix avatars are hard stuff.

>>53847082
I know where that's from!

>>53847135
I don't but I think It seemed like people recognized it from porn last time I saw it posted.

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>>53830215

>Once played a 12-year-old Decker
>He could only even be a decent Decker because his parents bought him all the shit he asked for
>Acted like a typical CoD Xbox Live shit
>First time the part got in actual real-world combat he peed himself, cried, and begged our street sam to keep him safe

>>53847354
That's pretty based, actually.

>>53847354
That's great. Please tell me his Runner gear was 'blinged out' with decals of whatever the 2070s version of Monster is.

>>53847765
That'd be the little fucker who slaps stickers and spray paint on his shit, screaming about Hack The Planet!

Whats a corporate way to say Mercenary? 'Freelance Security Consultant' or something?

>>53848527
Contracted Security Personnel

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I need to come up with four lisences to fill out my stack of fakes, The only R thing I have that would cause issue is explosives.
Spitball me some ideas.

>>53848555
License*

>>53848568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RejrrkrRShM

>>53848555
Well, what are you and what do you do? Give us a fucking character writeup.

>>53848555
Concealed Carry
Bounty Hunter
Paracritter Exterminator
Security Design Consultant

How would I go about making a lamia in shadowun? My group is going full anime and we are making monster girls

>>53849724
You wouldn't. You would stuff a shotgun barrel into your mouth and pull the trigger twice, after executing your entire group for being fetishists that mock the sanctity of Shadowrun's fluff by perverting it to goofy, not-grimdark ends.

Or you could just use Run Faster and build one. Might not be as messy that way.

>>53849781
Whats it like to have zero fun?

>>53830491
>>53830507
>>53830532

MOAR!

>>53849781
This is bait.

>>53848555

Health inspector.

>>53848555
Drivers license

>>53848555
Pilots licenses

>>53848555
Building inspector's license

>>53849952
Except for where they answer the question, yeah.

>>53848555
>>53847082
what kind of music is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypinm9M98Ms

>>53848555
haruspex license.

>>53848555
faked paperwork to be an ordained Priest or Rabbi.

>>53849724
SURGE or liminal body.

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>>53849724
Could just use the Naga statline, and give it arms.

>>53851934
anon, Naga are snakes
also: Unless you also make it a changeling it won't help. They don't have the neural connections to handle arms, just like metahumans don't have the neural matter to control multiple arms or legs

>inb4 liminal body
AFAIK you don't control them individually. You send commands which a processor inside the liminal body translates to movement
>inb4 "in the real world we can learn to control additional limbs really quick"
too bad this is SR, so by RAW you can't. If you can convince your GM to allow it? More power to you. But going by RAW you can't

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>>53852056
I know what the situation for Nagas is, and didn't say a damn thing about cybernetics. Lamias are snake people with arms. Nagas in SR are giant snakes. Using naga stats but with arms is the closest thing to lamias, and it already accounts for stuff like mobility.

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>>53849724
What's the centaur going to be like?

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>>53849724

Naga with SURGE, taking Shiva Arms at least once.

>>53853838
That would get you a big snake with a pair of arms. You're still missing the human torso.

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made a cyber naga not too long ago. With arms. He was one of the earlier naga, before people realized they were intelligent and he had a data jack forced in him for easier training. He also had the surge give him arms, and that, combined with his lack of magic, screwed him up and made him absolutely hate himself, so he started going heavier and heavier into the cyber due to body dysmorphia.

>>53853984
Refluff around it.

>>53853984
>You're still missing the human torso

Yeah, because that's such an important part of SR. It literally only comes up in very specific situation of getting a cybertorso.

>>53854103
It's kinda the core of the "monstergirl" bit.

>>53854161
I think he means rules-wise
rules wise having a torso or not having a torso is the difference of whether you can take a cybertorso or not.
That's it

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>>53853984
>>53854103
>>53854161

Either get the GM to waive the human requirement for Metahuman Traits, or re-fluff Metagenic Attribute Improvement (Charisma) as being a metahuman face/torso.

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>>53854221
>Metagenetic Improvement (Big Ol' Tiddies).

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>>53842356
Mostly due to the fact that Doc Wagon burned him pretty bad and any other Corp is just as likely to do it as well.

The other half has to do with him starting to believe he can be something of a hero even if he realizes the idea is dumb.

Finally the lovely lady in his life is an oni so he's gotta get to making money to have a family.

>>53842356
She does what she does well, and she's decently well off for it. Sure, getting shot is a hazard, but no good thing comes without risk.

>>53856085
>4e
Shame.

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>>53856978
At least he's running something. If I didn't have a terrible work schedule, I'd suck it up and join.

>read the thread
It's really weird to me that you can make trogdor in shadowrun RAW, but monstergirls take some major GM canoodling.

So I'm playing a combat medic for the first time and I'd just like some advice as to how I could keep my team mates alive longer.
I got the skills upped my stats and bought the gear

Now I just want to know what can I do in fire fights other than shoot.

>>53857539
Drop gas grenades. Seven7 ftw

>>53857539
Buy a Savior Medkit R6
Get Heal
Make a normal mage

That's it

>>53857539
Combat Medicine is basically using a first aid kit and slap patches. Just use a rating 6 Saviour Medkit, and use your skill points for other shit.
>>53857607 gets it.

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Anyone have experience editing equipment for chummer? I've added the Secura Superkompakt to weapons.xml in a way that should work, but it doesn't show up when I browse for it in chummer. Code below:
>https://pastebin.com/7vbD5PEN

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>>53857469
You can make all kinds of different monstergirls, from vampires to centaurs to oni to dryads. The problem comes from the more non-humanoid ones because the RAW of Liminal Body is, "Some of the more popular options are shown below, but gamemasters are encouraged to develop their own as well."

So if you want to be an arachne or lamia, you need to write up a new Liminal Body for it, which is kosher but there are no guidelines for doing so. The prices for the three different models given vary by 30k, the availability and restricted rating also fluctuates without good reason, as does the amount of Essence it uses. If they took half a page to do a box on Extreme Body Modifications, with a recommendation of something like, "Start with a base cost of 50k, 3.0 Essence, Avail 10, and 40 Capacity, increase price by X increment for each of the following selected (better speed, unusual locomotion, additional weapons/capabilities, etc)" it would be more intuitively flexible.

fuck harpies, always worst girl

>>53857607
>>53857615
Fair enough, thank you

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>>53857673
>that spoiler
You what, mate?

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>>53857694
You don't need to shell out for a Saviour. If you have First Aid, you can use regular medkits and add their rating to your dicepool and limit, which (especially when combined with Second Chance Edge) can lead to a fuckload of boxes recovered. Then the mage slaps on a Heal spell afterwards if there's any lingering issues. Saviour is really only good if someone takes it ahead of time because it automatically triggers as trauma control, or if you absolutely need someone to keep walking while they recover, instead of being patched up and then going. A medkit alone is never going to be as effective as medkit+trained doctor.

The thing is, you don't want to be doing first aid in combat itself because it takes a Complex Action per box healed, so you'll be out there a long-ass time. If you want to do something other than just fire the occasional shot and wait for the bullets to stop flying so you can play doctor, invest in either smoke grenades and some serious strength to pull a downed friend into cover (and make sure they have drag handles on their armour), or in some drones like that moving shield from R5.

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>>53857838
You heard me, birdbrain. Harpies a shit. Horse pussy or no pussy.

>>53858021
Hope you like kissing horse lips, horse fucker.

>>53858174
You can't even hold hands, you'll be a virgin forever.

>>53858209
>hold hands
Well, I knew you were a pervert, but I didn't know that you were SUCH a pervert

So, I've been doing some research, and there are literally no cyberpunk games about actually being a detective and doing detective things other than S.N.A.T.C.H.E.R.
Which leads me to ask- how do I run a detective game? It seems having a party would really throw off the tone.

>>53858470
Well you wouldn't run it in Shadowrun or Cyberpunk 2020 to start. A Party can work for a detective story, smaller one would be better of course but its tone doesn't hinge solely on the lone grizzled private eye.

>>53858470
You wouldn't really need a streetsam unless you want more killing than detecting, but a mage for magic detecting/tracking, an infiltrator for physical evidence, deckers are a given for obvious reasons, and faces are good at interrogating.

>>53858532
well, you always need to have a bloody shootout/rampage at the end of the case.

>>53858583
Yeah, but if that's all the streetsam is doing your player is either gonna get bored, or start a shootout before the case is cracked. Which'll cause trouble with legit police.

Might want a rigger instead for the car chase and drone surveillance.

>>53858638
>Yeah, but if that's all the streetsam is doing your player is either gonna get bored, or start a shootout
Isn't that the usual fate of streetsams anyway?

>>53858655
Depends on how your Sam is specced
if the only thing they can do is fight?
Yeah, they'll be bored

But remember that a sammy needs good physical attributes. So whenever you need to do something physical the sammy should be able to help.

what are skills every runner needs to put points in

>>53858760
at least one point in etiquette at all times

>>53858760
dodge and perception are rather important. one let's you survive, the other is used constantly

>>53858760
Etiquette
Stealth
Perception
Dodge (if 4e)

Others depend on where you usually are. If you mostly play in cities then ranks in swimming are lost on you. But when you are pirates/smugglers it may save your life

>>53858760
At least one in con, stealth, dodge, perception, and etiquette.

>>53858922
>In Debt V

Not even once.

>>53852056
>They don't have the neural connections to handle arms, just like metahumans don't have the neural matter to control multiple arms or legs
Ok. Except for the minor detail of, "This is complete bullshit head canon."

>LIMINAL BODY
>One of the more recent cyber-mods, the liminal body is an extensive restructuring of the lower abdominal region of the user, often requiring some delicate re-working of digestive systems and waste removal, as well as the loss of genitalia, in exchange for a lower body replacement. The more exotic the modification, the more work needs to be done.
>Some of the more popular options are shown below, but gamemasters are encouraged to develop their own as well.

>Centaur: The one that started it all, the user’s lower half is replaced by a cybernetic steed. Four-legged and swift, but large and heavy. The user’s running speed is doubled, and their ability to drag or carry weight is also doubled. The cyberlegs may each be modifed as normal, but remember to average all four!

>The Wheeled Warrior: A four-wheeled device roughly the size of a wheelchair, the user’s running speed is doubled, but difficult terrain is especially troublesome.

>Tank!: Similar to the Wheeled Warrior, the Tank! design uses treads, rather than wheels, trading speed for maneuverability. The user’s walking speed is unchanged, but any difficult terrain other than mud is a breeze. The treads tend to tear up whatever surface they drive over, however, making the user less than welcome in certain elegant establishments.

There's your four legs, four wheel-legs, and four tank tread legs. For (meta)humans. Get to giving the Naga arms.

>>53857932
>DogWagon Contract (Platinum).webm

>>53858951
>>53858922
any problems for this guy?
also how do i calculate soak?

>>53859199
Body+Armor

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How is essence considered in character? Your character wouldn't know "I'm at 9 out of 10 condition boxes" (although they'd know they're fucked up), so how can you be sure that you can fit that rating 2 muscle toner, but not rating 3, without losing magic. That being said, essence is standardized, so they could put on the packaging, then you add it up yourself. Man, essence is stupid.

>>53859234
so that dude is looking at 37 soak?

>>53859238
*"How do you consider essence in-character" would be a better question. I'm not sure if there is a definitive answer.

Is there a Chummer-like app for Earthdawn?

>>53858922
>>53859199
How did you get orthoskin 4 alphaware which is avail. 18R (or 16R non-alphaware) when even prime runner only allows up to 15.

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>>53859238
In universe, people have an idea through rigorous assensing and decades of test cases. Essence makes sense as a theoretical framework in-universe for measuring damage to the metaphysical self, and can be measured through tools like assensing - you can bet that hermetics get to spend a couple of semesters studying Essence, Essence Loss, and the dynamic interplay of cyberware and holistic integrity, reading great thick books on the subject. It's mentioned somewhere that high-end 'ware clinics have mages on staff for firsthand analysis and reporting.

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Aside from the Renraku Tsurugi, which seems to be the default pick, are there any other cyberdecks worth picking up at character creation for a dedicated decker?

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>>53859199
What type of Chargen.

Are you trying to be a tank? Your skill scores are pretty pitiful.

You have a rating of 3 for long arms, but you don't even own one.

You need Contacts

Prototype Transhuman and In Debt V both scream munchkin. Not saying you couldn't reasonably use them to make a good story, but your sheet does little to reassure us.

You're also missing a whole laundry list of gear. I'll get you started.
>commlink
>transportation
>non-lethal ammo/combat options
>electronics (chips, rfid, bug scanner, comms)

In short: yeah, you've got some problems.

>>53858961
Chummer, please read the post
>>inb4 liminal body
>AFAIK you don't control them individually. You send commands which a processor inside the liminal body translates to movement
You basically replace the lower body with a machine that takes movement commands and transforms them into specific movements (leg controls, wheel turnings, treads turning)

So... do you guys ever make NPC's using PC rules?

I've been wanting to populate my shadowrun with key players that aren't just civilians. Characters with legit story and capabilities.

But, just using typical Sum/10 seems a little extreme, but I don't want them to just be pussies either. Any advice?

>>53859556
So why not just get a machine that takes the movement commands you would use to cast and of those mage hand spells and turns it into... hand movement?
I mean, I'm not that guy, but this line of logic sounds incredibly retarded, so I have to bust in.

>>53857932
Funny thing is I purposefully got a drag handle on my armor my teammates likely don't. Thank for the advice

>>53859605
For major recurring characters you should make a sheet. Basically, if they're going to be around for more than one run.

Otherwise, bullshit the dice pools you think they should have and get on with your life.

>>53858527
>or Cyberpunk 2020
Just run it with everybody as Cops. Literally the detective department.

>>53859681

So, regular sum/10? or is there an alternative method to use?

>>53859498
MCT Trainee.

>>53859498
If your GM's not an ass about it, Little Hornet+Aztechnology Emissary makes for a great walking around setup.

It's no better than an actual Little Hornet in Hosts, but if you go and outfit the Emissary for Max Firewall, you can make sure that you are going to make most enemies think twice about messing with your stuff.

Granted, this is quite expensive and has its limitations, but as long as you do some playing around with mods and modules, it can give you about the power you'd want out of that kind of expense or more if the GM's straightforward about enemies.

>>53859634
>but this line of logic sounds incredibly retarded
not only does it sound incredibly retarded, it IS incredibly retarded.
SR always had a problem with additional limbs

>why not just get a machine that takes the movement commands you would use to cast
what would that help? By itself casting doesn't require any moves, and AFAIK the mage hands are not hands in the sense that you can feel them as if they were an actual hand.
>The caster can use skills remotely with
>Magic Fingers, but all tests receive a –2 dice pool modifier
>due to problems of fine control. Even simple actions like
>picking up a coin may require an Agility Test, at the game-
>master’s discretion
SR4 CRB, though the 5e version is AFAIK the same
So yeah, unless you manage to record magical sense data (which AFAIK nobody has managed yet) you can't do shit

But as I said >>53852056 here, if you can get your GM to house rule that additional limbs are allowed? That's A-OK

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>>53859706

>>53859768
>what could that help
You literally need to plan the kinisthetics of movement.

>>53859498
Microtronica Azteca 300 from Data Trails is within availability for a starter character. Rating 3, 7/5/3/1, 3 programs, 200000 nuyen.

>>53859786
Okay, maybe it's just me being tired, but could you explain again what exactly you want to do?

>>53859849
I am a third guy hopping in to say that it is retarded to have additional limbs working the way you posited and not also have additional arms, especially since the creatures in question have the ability to do hand-like shit.

I am not actually trying to do any mechanical thing, just saying that's fucking retarded.

>>53859887
>especially since the creatures in question have the ability to do hand-like shit.
Well, first: It's magic. I don't have to explain shit
But secondly: As I see it, you are not actually controlling arms. You are not sending muscle contraction commands, because there are no muscles. Magic fingers is more like controlling two dots that can latch onto things and hold them and turn them and all that shit.
So even if you didn't have arms you'd still be able to think "Go to that. Hold. Turn. Move. Turn. Move. Let Go. Move. ...."
But just these commands would not be enough to actually control the limb.

But again, this is just my understanding of a completely retarded sub-system/explanation. So take this with a salt mine.

>>53842356
They're only really there to kill people in an exciting context in the first place. Doing something safer defeats the point.

>>53859951
Those thoughts are literally enough to run a robot arm the same way as the legs you posited.

I guess I shouldn't jump all over you about it, since you didn't make the retard system, but FUCK.

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>>53859706
Depends on who they're supposed to be. If you want them to be about on the level of your runners, then use what your players used. Otherwise, it doesn't really matter, you just need to be able to have a feel for how powerful they are.

>>53859974
>Those thoughts are literally enough to run a robot arm the same way as the legs you posited.
First: Yeah, preaching to the choir here. Dumb Cyberlimb rules are dumb.
But Secondly: The big problem isn't actually getting a robot arm. Just grab yourself a metal harness, add robot arm or two, Wire them to a datajack. Wa La. Instant Hands.
The big problem is getting CYBERarms. Because those liminal bodies? AFAIS they don't let you feel through them. It's more like sitting in a wheelchair.
Which means that the signals from the brain must be computed and then turned into commands. And of course: No tactile sense.
So yeah. Naga with drone arms? Sure. Naga with cyberarms, which you control like normal arms and which let you feel? Nope.

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>>53860037
>Because those liminal bodies? AFAIS they don't let you feel through them. It's more like sitting in a wheelchair.

Cyberlimbs all include touch receptors as a matter of course. Otherwise a good half the population would be walking around with dead metal on them.

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>>53859786
But there's no tactile feedback, it's all by eye and instinct. It's like using a remote control arm to pick something up versus actually picking it up. Which is basically where we're at with prosthesis in 2017. Proper cyberlimbs feel and function exactly like the limb they are replacing.

>>53860127
we actually have direct to brain additional limbs on monkeys.

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The original context of the discussion was for an anime bullshit game, the integrity of the setting can hardly be their first concern. Just bend whatever the fuck you need to. It's not like any of these suggestions would be game breaking with the understanding that it's a one-off for an anime bullshit game.

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>>53860175
But do they have feedback and tactile sensation? Are they more accurate than if you had just trained a monkey to use an xbox controller.

>>53860037
Chummer, you might want to read up on ASIST.

>>53860249
no, yes.
You don't really need tactile support to make a limb work like a limb.

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Given the way combat rules work, how could additional arms even break the game? Only thing that comes to mind immediately is the absurd amount of handcuffs you'd need to subdue someone like Mistral.

>>53860346
>how could additional arms even break the game?
We honestly don't know
Just look at Nartaki
They have 4 arms
Are they overpowered? Nope, they're fucked

>>53859967
That is true. There wouldn't be much of a game if the characters were all cowards who couldn't handle the extreme lifestyles that come with being a shadowrunner. However it's always been a little immersion-breaking to see characters who were so talented at what they do that they could name their price selling their skills legitimately, yet insist on fragging security guards and two-bit gangers for enough table scraps to make rent with just enough money left over for a real steak and a joyboy/girl to eat it with.

>>53860449
What the heck, chummer? Shadowrunners make mad bank for their skillset. Are you playing with one of those sadist GMs who pays in pennies and lets the mages reign supreme?

>>53860468
well, RAW indicates you should do that. So my bet is, he is.

>>53860532
According to RAW 5.e the average runner must be able to make atleast 15k or so per month if not more, since in debt goes up to that much per month.

>>53860909
Compare that to run payouts RAW, and perhaps the runner is fucked.

>>53860956
Keep in mind you should be looting everything not nailed down and selling it.
But yes, probably.
But its a sign of a bad DM if a runner with in debt isn't able to make ends meet despite going on missions.

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What can you do with the power of Money?

>>53857637
Does the ADL book exist?

>>53861009
Main battle Tank is 1,400,000
That leaves you 450000 to pimp it out

>>53860977
Honestly, it's more of a sign of a DM trying to run the book. More inexperience than anything.

>>53861009
Buy yourself aircraft. Live the skyrigger lifestyle.

>>53860909
>the AVERAGE runner must be able to make atleast 15k or so per month if not more, since in debt goes UP TO that much
>the average runner should be able to handle the extreme ends of negative qualities
You're silly.

>>53861076
The alternative is being unplayable and typically negative isn't supposed to mean unplayable if you strive to deal with it.
Day Job 40 (Another extreme) can give you 5k/mo, so you must be able to atleast make 10k somewhere every month.
What does the book give you per run?

>>53861089
you'd have to be doing a successful run every weekend.

>>53861089
>>53860909
I took the maximum in debt in 5e and I told my DM he should tell me if I wasn't going to make enough to survive two months of play time.
I'm probably dead, but that just means I can reroll later.

>>53860346
system writers tend to nerf extra arms hard.

>>53861089
>The alternative is being unplayable
No. The alternative is trying harder than an average runner.

>>53847354
don't you need to have someone (preferably not yourself) cough up a lot of money to be an effective non-technomanncer hacker?

>>53861305
Which is playable.

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>>53861307
read the second line

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>>53830013
What role in shadowrun is something that a person jinxed to not roll well can do, and how do you optimize for it.

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>>53861009
>>53860532
>>53860468
Is there an alternative ruleset for run payouts that's more appropriate?

>>53861353
Whatever the hell "seems right".

>>53861051
Some kind anon uploaded the weapon stats: https://pastebin.com/GWxYpePS

My attempts at incorporating them into chummer have failed though.

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>>53861329
I am responding to the second line and wondering why it was notable enough to bring up.

>>53861347
Leadership spamming face
Just buy your 4-5 hits on various tests
boom done
>>53861353
Enough to survive on for the sake of fun unless you're really fuckin street level scrubs.

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>>53861051
>>53861365
Oh I see what you're getting at. Can't check a book that doesn't exist. I stuffed it into the CRB and it works fine now, thanks much.

>>53859556
>AFAIK you don't control them individually
More head canon, m80 pal buddy omae friendo. It's not needed.

>>53861382
>Just buy your 4-5 hits

explain please.

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>>53861375
It's notable because a literal child getting his deck from his negligent parents is a funny character detail anon thought worth mentioning.

>>53861353
As a rule, at my table it's a base of 5000; enough for the runners to survive at a middle lifestyle for a month. Throw some multipliers on that and they generally walk away with somewhere in the neighbourhood of 10k gross. Take expenses off that and it leaves them with enough money to live, and some to invest in the future.

They generally do about one run per month (each run taking a week or less to execute) and the rest of the time they're living regular lives. No point in breaking your back in the shadows if you can't go home to the sick child you're making the money for, or spend it with the boys, or whatever. We like getting into the downtime, so it works well for us. The reward is enough that it's clear why people run the shadows, without being so great that everyone does it. If they want more money, they go for more dangerous jobs, or run more of them back to back (which puts more strain on their support network to get new equipment, repair the car, heal up themselves, etc).

Also, one thing I noticed about the CRB's run rewards is that it only tracks base attribute+skill, when the multiplier jumps up another bracket when you factor in the practical bonuses from gear the opposition is getting.

>>53861451
Bribe your GM. 5e has a p2w system built in.

>>53861451
I think it might be a thing but you can buy hits 4 dice = 1 hit
instead of rolling you just have a set amount of successes at the cost of having lower overall chances.

>>53861542
Did everyone take Day Job 40hr then? Cause 10k split 4 ways (The average team size In my head) is not very much when you have expenses and four lifestyles to buy.

>>53861542

Ohhhhhhhh ok. I didn't realize it was a comical level of parental negligence.


>>53861558
>>53861564

I see. We are playing 4e. Sorry I forgot 5e was a thing.

>>53832736
>>53832802
>>53833520
Various Celestial bodies have a non-zero mana level because, although there is no bio-sphere to grant mana from lifeforce, those celestial bodies spent a long time being Worshipped by humans in the past. They are POWERFUL magic symbols, and since background count is basically concentrated emotion, there exist mana fields on planets, stars, and famous comets.

People gave them significance, and they have then "absorbed" some level of latent magic feedback, for hundreds of centuries.

It's a dead rock, or a burning ball of gas, but dang, them planets and stars are magical after all.

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>>53861579
No, 10k per head. Often the actual payment is something like 50k, which they split into personal shares after taking group expenses relating to the run (like bribes and buying the fixer a new hat) off the top.

Same calculation as the core book, just beefed up a little to help more nuyen-intensive characters and allow us to have runners who aren't all super-trenchcoat 'crime is my life' types.

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>>53830152

I've never seen a Dinosaur or a Food shaped matrix avatar used before.

The idea of a burger or fried chicken drumstick kicking ass and taking names in the matrix amuses me.

or maybe a Tofu cube surrounded by a whirling asteroid field of stir fry ingredients.

>>53861347
Seconding anything face based. Your own wit is more important than you character's or your rolls there.

>>53862392
Fastjacks just a old dude with a hammer and he kickd nidhoggs ass

>Minor blood mages may fetch a price of five thousand to
ten thousand nuyen from the Draco Foundation, who usually
prefer them alive, or from local law enforcement, who may pay
on the lower end of the scale but accept dead ones readily.

>Powerful blood mages, with a Magic rating from 10 to 15,
may be worth anywhere from seventy-five thousand to three
hundred thousand. The price is almost always for the mage
being brought in alive, and is usually offered by the Draco
Foundation or another megacorporation interested in the
mage’s capture

Are blood mages acceptable PCs now that the bounty got nerfed hard?

Shadowrun GM's do you agree with this?


>>53861347
>What role in shadowrun is something that a person jinxed to not roll well can do, and how do you optimize for it.


>>53861631
>We are playing 4e.

>>53862565
>anything face based. Your own wit is more important than you character's or your rolls there.

What's the fighter/ranger equivalent in shadowrun? The "easy to learn with no real crunchy abilities" class? I want to pick this up but i've heard it's a very rules heavy so i figured i'd start with something that doesn't really go beyond punch/shoot dude.

>>53862701
Streetsam is the default "man that fight gud" class / archetype

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>>53862626
Glad to see Catalyst is working hard to enable as much faggotry as possible.

>>53862718
Yeah, definitely! It's not like Earthdawn had an out-and-out class that used blood magic extensively or anything.

>>53862626
Suure Catalyst. Everyone's just gonna follow your guidelines on blood mage bounties. Just like we follow your addiction rules to the letter.

Though it does mean that you'll literally get more dosh for the veins of a blood-adept than the bounty, so there's that potential edginess.

>>53862718
The fuck? Fat bitch can't even get her finger inside the triggerguard.

>road hire
Captcha, what have I told you about hiring streetsams out of truckstops?

>>53862609
And then he got technosyphilis and is just counting down the days before he ends up like Riser. Faggot should have killed himself already.

>>53862753
Addiction rules being goofy is one thing, the blood mage bounty is a whole other can of worms.

>>53862776
So fuck it, just hack up the blood adepts for their veins.

Or do as I do and keep the old bounty levels.

>>53862811
Which locks off an entire wealth of options for the PCs and is blatantly disrespectful to Earthdawn's Nethermancers.

No thanks!

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>>53862392
IIRC in Matrix de le Mar they put in rules about avatars needing to be of a certain size and certain configuration, to distinguish them from icons. So food-shaped is probably out, but you could be a metahuman-sized dino. Made of fried chicken.

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>>53862717
>Streetsam is the default "man that fight gud" class / archetype

Isn't that the physical adept or gun adept?

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>>53862822

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>>53862845
Gun adepts are a subset of physical adepts; physads are contrasted with social adepts, the very rare mental adepts, and mystic adepts, not what specific kind of physical activities they do.

And street sams were around long before adepts, and are far more common (by Sixth World statistics, if not proportions of player characters).

>>53862875
Incapable of responding in any way other than reaction images? Looks like I've won.

>>53862822
It's not locked out. They just have to be careful about hiding their abilities like technomancers.

Or did you forget that Technos are wanted too? You being sloppy and inattentive with your character is your own problem.

>>53862885
Yes, you 'won'. Your autism is stronger. Enjoy your victory.

>>53862917
1 million is a hell of a long way from 10k, omae. One is plain stupidity on the part of a PC to not turn in, and the other is a difficult, tempting target that they can decide to not turn in... just yet.

>>53862933
>autism
I'm not the one stamping my heels and insisting that the ludicrous bounty that made playing a blood mage utterly impossible to play outside of an all-villain party should stay.

>>53862937
Did you not read the part where I said 'keep your goddamn secret'? If people know you're a practicing blood mage, you're already fucked no matter what the size of the bounty.
>>53862966
See above about being sneakylike, or just admit you're too autistic to manage a subtle character.

>>53862982
Did you not read the part where I said
>made playing a blood mage utterly impossible to play outside of an all-villain party
It shows how stupid you are to actually think that lying to other players about your abilities, much less their characters, constantly is a viable tactic for being able to access all the blood magic options.

>you're already fucked no matter what the size of the bounty.
As above, you're being really stupid to actually think that ten thousand is anywhere near comparable to a million. Of course, you've yet to actually respond to the fact that the sanctity of the Earthdawn connection is hampered, so I don't expect any proper response from you.

How much would the corps pay for a pixie technomancer?

>>53862880
>And street sams were around long before adepts, and are far more common (by Sixth World statistics, if not proportions of player characters).

yeah but were talking about PC parties and about 5th edition not the history of shadowrun.

in terms of meta-game which are the actual "good at fighting" classes?

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>>53862885
You mean that wasn't carefully crafted bait? I find that hard to believe.

>>53863049
Horizon would give you 50 bucks and a milkshake for one.

>>53863140
I find it hard to believe that you'd find that bait.

>>53863143
Deal.

>>53863049
>>53863171
Are you ratting out one of your chummers?

>>53863088
Candy-ass adepts will argue, but nothing puts down hurt and tanks hits like a proper kamakrazee street sam riding shiny and chrome.

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>>53863088
The guy who said that Adepts were the default was wrong, and he didn't know what physical adepts were. Now he does, and the original answer stands.

Street Samurai and Adepts are both archetypes designed around fighting. Either works for slightly different purposes.

>>53862811
>So fuck it, just hack up the blood adepts for their veins.
You mean any kind of adept. Blood mages just happen to have access to the spell that rips out your veins and uses them to anchor you to every nearby surface.

>>53863220
>Now he does

how? I've been told shit but given no rules based explanation, just "in the story" and "which was added to old editions first" ones.

>>53863220
Street Samurai: 5.99 essence of angry cyberware
Adept: 6 MAG of angry magicpunching
Mysad: 3 Mag of spellcasting and 2 mag of magicpunching with some anger
Metadept: 4-5 MAG most of which goes into improved reflexes with 1-2 ess of ware to beef them up.

>>53863191
>Being chummers with a pixie
No thanks

>>53863222
Fucking metal.

>>53863279
are they psychotic by default by the standards of other metahumans?

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Friendly reminder to always geek the mage first.

How much do pixie hookers cost these days? In the flesh.

Asking for a friend.

>>53863314
Depends on if you'll accept a drone.
Also if you're in 1970s shadowrun or 2050s shadowrun

>>53863310
Won't have to, that 16 drain will do it for me when he tries to fuck up my troll bruiser.

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>>53862772

But anon that's called trigger discipline.

>>53863353
>Yfw its a troll caster with max BOD

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>>53830013
Anybody played or ran a game set in texas?

>>53860175
Iirc they could only use 2 at a time even with an extra arm. If they used the robotic one, doesn't one of the biolimbs stop working?

>>53863584
nah, that's a shadowrun rule, not a real life thing.

I have 0 dice in swimming, is it safe to say I don't know how to swim? Or do I just swim horribly like a dying seal or something?

>>53863855
It means you can't swim. Depending on your attribute that it defaults to (I think it's STR) you might be able to float on your back.

>>53863957
I just had the mental image of a shadowrunner falling in a waist deep pool of water and just locking up unable to move because he has no dice for swimming

>>53863855
You can still swim, but you suck at it. There's an actual negative quality you can get on top of 0 skill that means you can't swim at all. Forget what it's called, maybe Incompetent.

>>53864265
Now I'm imagining an 8 charisma face majestically sliding into the pool dolled up in the newest hottest bikini...And then dog paddling around

>>53863658
>nah, that's a shadowrun rule
It's not even a Shadowrun rule. It's a table rule.

>>53864265
It's 0 dice, not 0 skill, which means they can't succeed at (or even roll) a swim test without spending edge. How does that constitute knowing how to swim?

>>53863314
They cost a fuckton since there aren't many of them. it woudl be cheaper to buy a sex drone shaped like one. Though the drone brain would have to be a separate unit that controls the body wireless.

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>>53863310
Oh Shit!

>>53864811
Jesus the scale of that is actually crazy

>>53864862
When navies play they tend to toss around big explosions

>>53830013
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Yo somebody make a new thread. I can't because 4chan keeps spitting out errors