Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

I live for the swarm!

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>Astra Orrukz

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I'm sorry if i'm being stupid but i just can't find an explanation to this. What does the Strength value of +2 mean for the tazer goad on the infiltrator? That they would on a 2+? I'm fresh into warhammer and i have no clue what the hell +2 is supposed to mean.

So, with the new rules making it half useful.

Plasma pistol and power fist on an aspiring champion, good idea?

>>53751603
>I love genestealer "girl" anon
turboslut is love, turboslut is life

>>53751683

It means you add 2 to their strength of a 4 when fighting in close combat so when they attack in CC they are effectively S6.

>>53751683

Strength of the model +2, so S6

>>53751691
Plas pistol on anything is acceptable now

Fist if fighting within the presense of a Dark Apostle

>>53751603
>I love genestealer "girl" anon, edition.
No quotes needed, she's definitely a girl

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reposting list.
Now with detachments.

>>53751603
>>53751729
>>53751701

Damnit. I missed something good didn't i?

>>53751729
>has a dick
>definitely a girl
How many layers of social justice are you on, anon?

>>53751729
Sauce

>>53751751
She doesn't have a dick, dude. I understand if you're into traps but you don't need to project that fetish onto every single camwhore. There's a slaaneshi trap anon who posts in the generals if that's you're thing. GSCB is an androgynous chick.

>Constant grass-is-greener syndrome

why live lads

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Is it odd if you never had a lot of Boyz in the previous editions and don't feel extremely compelled to get anymore in the current edition?

>>53751780

Well Orks are greenest, so do those.

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>>53751777
TRIPS
OF
TRUTH

>>53751719
10 man squad in a rhino
melta
plasma pistol
champion with plasma pistol and fist

Their job is to smash up but targets. I guess a plasma pistol and lightning claw could be better?

>>53751777
I was in the same thread you were bud, "she" didn't post a single picture that proved she was a biological female. But by all means, keep jerking it to random dudes on the internet. You're not hurting anyone

>>53751797

But I don't wanna play a horde army. Especially not one as hard to paint as Orks.

GUYS, I NEED TO KNOW

What army does cheeta anon play?!

>>53751741
You did, but it was weeks ago now. It just keeps resonating through the thread until present day because partially it really was that good and partially because we really are that thirsty.

>>53751777
I think they might be mixing it up with the Slaaneshi Cultist "girl"

Let's talk good changes:

>flash gitz get 4+ saves
>conscripts can't get issued orders, possibly suffer more penalties when using commissar
>Rangers should get -1AP and maybe some pseudo-sniper stuff (can target character?)
>enginseers should repair all imperial vehicles
>Ruststalkers oughta get some AP or some shit, throw them a bone
>make most PAGK 2 attacks, at least the fucking purifiers
>hilariously (fuck you 90% of chaosfags) make obliterators like they were (pick a gun, powerfist)
>it wouldn't hurt to give assault cannons rend (6 gets AP-4) again
>give khorne more weapons to choose from
>take away 4++ on brimstone horrors
>throw beasts of nurgle an AP-1 bone too

And as an idea I personally like, some ex-blast guns (demolisher cannons, battle cannons and the like) should remain D3/6 for shots buuuuut hit automatically after that. Can't be shot in overwatch probably though.

You lads got any ideas? Imo these all seem like solid changes

>>53751827
Can we not turn this thread into jacking off wannabe e-celebs?

>>53751827
None because he's a shitposting poorfag.

>>53751780
your army can't be good at everything... unless you're part of the imperium in which case you can take anything you want.

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>>53751816

Put those 'Nobz in a 'naught and find a good scheme.

>>53751783
I have 60 boyz, I don't plan on getting anymore.

I enjoy Kult of Speed more. So if I'm taking boyz they're going to be in trukks or battlewagons.

Be honest.

Any space marine players thinking of adding 500 points of conscripts just to act as meat shields?

>>53751893

Marines Malevolent posters, you get on this strategy or I don't truly believe that you believe in your own shitposting.

>>53751893
If you paint them as Black Templars it's even flavorful!

>>53751831

Oh, I thought the whore had finally done as she said she would and posted nudes after seeing the leaks.

>>53751603
Will genestealer girl be added to OP's pic?

>>53751683
Piggybacking off this anon's post, is there a "right" way to build Infiltrators and Ruststalkers in 8th?

What do the Eldar aspect warriors look like in the new edition?

I remember howling banshees were shit in 6E and 7E but that was only because they couldn't assault out of vehicles which has been fixed.

>>53751847
Biovores cannot fire overwatch but do not need vision of the target to shoot (seriously they're fucking broken on overwatch).

Added to the airborne ability: Cannot be targeted by shooting weapons with a range of 12" or less.

>>53751893
thinking of it, would work well with salamanders.

>>53751893

No not really, why would I tarnish my army with unwashed hordes?

>>53751893
No, that's gay.

The only army beside AM I'd be cool with using conscripts is well-converted Admech, and it's gotta be damn well done. Or they just spend 500 dollarydoos on tech-thralls.

Though I think conscripts kinda suck in bigger games, a lone knight and some snipers can plink off the characters and then morale-away the rest

>>53751927
Not to my knowledge. I'm pretty sure if that went down at some point, it wouldn't go unnoticed.
Would not mind seeing more of the other one too.

>>53751944

Almost universally shit. Banshee didn't get better either.

>>53751868

I'm still hoping Grotnaut is canon.

Also, anyone know if pirate Orks have a lot of walkers?

I remember reading that among the various individuals one can find in a Freeboota warband, Big Meks and Pain Boyz obsessed solely with creating Deff Dreads can be found, along with Boyz who follow Khorne and various other oddities.

>>53751946
Ooooh, I like that airborne change. It'd certainly cut down on a lot of silly shit like flamers and grenades

>>53751962

I refuse to believe Phil Kelly would allow this.

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>>53751930
>tfw no good art about female hybrids

>>53751960
It's actually way harder than you think.
Even if you do kill the commissars, which is also hard.
Conscripts were buffed in almost every way possible.

>>53751847
Considering the powerfist isn't "free" anymore, it's actually a good thing they lost it.
It would just be an extra 20ppm on an already expensive unit.

How about this.
>increase their cost to 85ppm
>fleshmetal guns are assault d6 S4+d6 AP-d6 Dd6
>roll four dice and assign one to each of the above stats

>>53751994
I had an idea of making a Magus conversion that was a genestealer hybrid loli based on the psychic girl from Stranger Things

>the list building website only has Ultramarine characters available
What the fuck?

>>53751946
>Added to the airborne ability: Cannot be targeted by shooting weapons with a range of 12" or less.
Alternative: all weapon subtract 6" to their range when targeting airborne models.

>>53751994

oh lord that is hideous.

>>53752023

It's still being updated for 8th ed. Most ARMIES aren't even on it yet.

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>>53751994
>any one of them will let you fuck and impregnate them
>but they'll give you space aids
Will Slaanesh save me from my bad choices if I do it?

>>53752025
So flamers and grappling tongues and tentacles and pistols can still shoot them? Nah, the 12" restriction is better.

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>>53751752

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>Chosen champion can take items from the combi weapons list
>up to four more chosen can take items from the combi weapons list
>Combi bolters cost 2pts, bringing the grand total for 5 of them to 90 pts,or 170 with 5 more goons stock
>At 12 inches they can fire between 40-60 shots, depending on how many you take

Is there ever a reason to do this? I guess a couple of MSUs running around could be fun

God(s) I hope Iron Warriors get some sort of volume of fire buff to their small arms shooting to make dakka vomit real

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>>53752048

Wrong got to pray

>>53752048
Fucking genestealers doesn't give you space AIDS. If you get infected with the Genestealer virus you become stronger, faster, healthier and more attractive. Literally canon.

>>53752025
>short range weapons can still hit.
>requires mid game calculation, instead of simple yes/no
>fucks over intended AA weapons too by making it hard for them to get a shot off at the airplane turn one.

>>53752083
Like that one man with Ebola?

>>53752054

Only if they are basically undeneath.

On the other hand every weapon loses some range due to the altitude, increasing durability.

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>>53751985
He didn't, banshees are kickass. I'm happy because shining spears are insanely awesome, and the other aspect warriors are good as well.

>Dire Avengers still a come-all workhorse
>banshees are the shit at killing light infantry and stopping CQC units
>scorpions are awesome at hunting GEQs and piling tons of wounds out of nowhere
>Fire Dragons are still the best suicide bombers this side of Iraq
>swooping hawks earn the same as 7th, a resounding 'meh'
>Warp Spiders are good. No longer totally broken, but good.
>spears are fuuuckong aweeeesommmme uuuuhb muuuh diiiikck yaaaass kill MCs and shit slaaaaayy
>reapers are still everyone's favorite 'delet this' button
>And who cares about planedudes.

They're waaay awesome, especially with transports. I'm so happy to start a non-Waac Jetbikes army

>>53752092

AA would be unaffected.
How hard is to subtract 6 from a number?

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>>53752021
do it

>>53752106
Well, wait.

Are... are we sure that was Ebola?

>>53752110
>mfw I built an 1-per units (2 the avengers) aspect army in 7th
>need couple of transports more and is done

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>>53752012
>Conscripts were buffed in almost every way possible.

Are conscripts the best unit in the game?

>>53752108
That's unnecessary.

>>53752110

Swooping hawks used to alright with their big blast grenades.

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>>53752131
Lynch's Dune was atrocity, but Alia is love.

>>53752144
Yes, currently

>>53751963

Ork Pirates can have whatever you want. Pirates don't have rules, idiot.

>>53752017
I'd be okay with that.

I just liked the idea of picking a gun each turn based off of needs, I see no issue with giving them:

>Autocannon
>heavy flamer
>missile launcher
>multimelta
>lascannon

And letting them choose one each turn. That way they've got variable usage and can present a threat in, say, overwatch with flamers. I dunno, I just like obliterators in particular, and I hate IW

>>53752144
If you stack buffs, they're the most cost effective unit in the game.

A 'buff block' putting out 400 shots for 350 points, that's more shots than points.

How do I politely tell my friend his army is fucking trash?
He refuses to diversify his troops. He "doesn't believe" in fast attack, and thinks elites always have superiority to heavy assault. Hes getting his ass beat and I feel bad but he won't listen to any reasonable suggestions I give him.

>>53752175
The idea of the four d6 is to make them random but flexible.
Put the highest number dice in the stat you need, strength for high toughness things, ap for 2+ saves or shots for hordes and so on and so forth.

And then one day you make roll a jackpot and get 6 s10 ap-6 d6 shots and blow a titan away.

>>53752144

Also can be buffed to 1A per point with straken + priest

>>53752165

>Pirates don't have rules,

Corsairs do, and they seem kind of limited in what they could take the last time I looked.

Kind of odd really.

I think Ynnari actually make better Corsairs than actual Corsairs did.

>>53752212
What army.

Question about the new Quantum Shielding, does it work against Mortal Wounds? The wording on QS says "Each time this models suffer an unsaved wound", does a Mortal Wound count as an unsaved wound, or an unsaveable wound? Just want some opinions on this.

Gonna put Vulkan in a land raider redeemer with some company vets for maximum buff usage

>>53752221

I'd like to see what Forge World does with Corsairs now.

>>53752230

Is it explicitly a save? If not, it's a replacement effect like FnP, and will effect any wound.

>>53752228
AM. I play CSM.

>>53752212
I mean, does he care that he's getting his was beat? If he's having fun with his garbage army then good for him.

>tfw every army you wanna play is either too hard to paint or too expensive to collect

I have 1000pts of Thousand Sons but there's no real changing up with them.

How much influence does Ordo Malleus have on The Grey Knights? Obviously, GK's are their Chamber Militant, but they're also a SM Chapter, so they must have a level of autonomy. How much pull does someone like Hector Rex have over their Chapter Master? Where would he rank in the command structure, what is the highest rank that has to submit to his authority, etc.

>>53752246

Admech or IG?

>>53752110
Going modify most if not all of this.

>Dire avengers
got a massive point increase. Might still be good, but that point cost.
>banshees
actually changed a lot. Now fragile to overwatch again, but 8" move and assaulting out of serpent means they get up faster/safer.
Even better at responding to and blunting enemy charges rather than moving ahead of the army for the initial strike. Always striking first and -1 to hit.
>scorps
I've got a lot to say about them moving on.
>Fire Dragons
Less able to just auto explode any vehicle, but much better generalist.
>swooping hawks.
auto enter turn 1, which is big, and now get an additional shot at 12" range.
Also, sunrifle got a massive buff by changing of rules.
>spears.
agree.
>reapers
Changes are subtlier but neat. No longer remove all MEQ saves, but extra damage and AP rule makes them better against bikes and termies.
Split fire and new tempest laucher seem sweat.
Much better at antiflier.
Will still sit in ruins, but now for 2+ save rather cover save.

>plane dude.
much worse at anti-flier. Exarch running starcannon seems cool.

>>53752239

>I'd like to see what Forge World does with Corsairs now.

What was ideal about Corsairs before?

I know the Dred Mob has walkers, the Siege Vanguard had dreadnoughts and centurions, but what did the Corsairs list have that made them unique?

Alright so I have about 500$ prepped to start a Chaos Daemons army. What's a good way to start? I'm primarily focusing on Khorne and Nurgle and was thinking of just loading up with 4 or so SC sets and then a Bloodthirster or Unclean One. Is there a better way to start or do the SC kits come with some useless shit I wouldn't need?

>>53752216
That's not how obliterators work anon. You're thinking of the Ork gun.

>>53751847
>Rangers should get -1AP and maybe some pseudo-sniper stuff (can target character?)
Maybe can target characters at -1 to hit? Would also make ironstriders good again.
>it wouldn't hurt to give assault cannons rend (6 gets AP-4) again
God, no. Miniguns shouldn't be anti-tank weapons and we really don't need rending at all, since what it did (get around the all-or-nothing nature of AP) is covered by the new AP system.

I would add:
Fix blitza bommer and burna bomma so that the burna is actually better against infantry. Probably by changing boom bomb to max out at 5-6 dice (but maybe get the same bonus against monsters as vehicles) and removing the cap on the burna bomb (also nerfs hordes a little). Remove text from burna bomb about infantry; it shouldn't be worse against swarms, cavalry, etc.
Traktor kannon should have better chance of grabbing things with FLY. It's out-performed as an anti-air gun by KMK at the moment.
Skorcha wartrakks should have the explode rule (or better yet, fiery demise like the burna bomma).
'eadbanger shouldn't be restricted to closest unit. Neither should smite, probably.
Eldar rangers need a serious buff. Heavy 2 guns maybe?
Make rolls of 6 to hit automatically succeed despite modifiers.

>>53752277
They had quite a few unique units. Tons of special weapons per squad, everyone had a jet pack. They were also bar none the most maneuverable army in the game.

>>53752212
>>53752228

The army is definitely important. For some factions, fast-attack isn't really necessary. For some factions, elite choices ARE better than heavy-support.

Can you further explain what you mean when you say 'diversify troops choices'?

I would say that you should try to give friendly advice. Ask them what problems they believe they face and present possible solutions. It's easier to guide someone than to completely change their course.

Why is it important that your friend changes the way they play? If they lose a lot and are OK with that, then that's on them. Are they the type of person who prefers fluffy lists to ones that perform optimally? Are they new to to the game and still learning?

>>53752126
many AA guns are 48", some are 36".
That means they reach across the table to your backline where the flier will deploy.
Now their 42" inches, which means you need to deploy to the front of your deployment zone, ie are vulnerable. or 32" ie won't be able to shoot first turn.

>how hard
it's not an issue of hard, it's an issue of having to do it every time. It a minor annoyance, but a persistent one. Like Thac0.
Also like Thac0, there are other options that are better, so the minor annoyance feels big because it's not coming with a payoff.

>>53752230
No it doesn't. The way quantum shielding works is you have to roll lower than the amount of damage inflicted by the Wound, Mortal Wounds inflict 1 damage each and are resolved 1 at a time, not in bulk, so QS will never be able to affect them.

>>53752273
IG.
>>53752260
He always bitches that im breaking some sort of rules when our power ratings are either comparable or hes got more. I spend half the time proving basic rules, because he cant warhammer.

>>53752277

Mostly a whole lot of jetpacks. From their basic Corsairs with wings to a Jump-Jet War Wasp. That kind of movement would be significantly easier in 8e.

>>53752017

Or they could just give flesh metal guns a couple of profiles corresponding to some of the weapons they used to have.

I think I understand why GW made the change; pretty sure its because of the way shooting has changed so you can now fire all your weapons, which would have required putting more effort into writing their rules to include a caveat that you can only fire 1 (or maybe 2) of their weapons every turn they just copped out and went with the LOL SO RANDOM way of rules writing. That and they were probably too good at what they did, and competed with and out performed Havoks.

And no, that's a retarded change, it probably makes them better by a small amount but you now have to roll even more dice in the time between picking a unit of oblits and actually shooting.

While I might not like it much Oblits role has been changed from Swiss army man equally as competent at tackling hoards as hard points to a sort of close support unit meant to gun down hard targets with their decently high strength/damage guns.

Hopefully, if GW wants to push oblits into this role they'll change out flesh metal guns so they manifest as a couple of potent short ranged weapons, while throwing Havoks a bone to differentiate them from loyalists like letting the Champion buy a heavy weapon or some sort of squad buffing wargear, cutting their weapon costs, letting every squad member buy a heavy weapon, giving them access to new cool daemon guns as a dark opposite to grav weaponry, etc.

However, all of the above would require GW to a) Care and b) Release a new Havok kit, so I wouldn't hold your breath for changes to Oblits or Havoks unless you're doing it with a plastic bag on your head and you're instead trying to take the BigNap

>>53752312
Oh shit that's right. Thanks!

>>53752312
What about effects that inflict d3 MW?

>>53752309

What I meant is the rule should have something among the lines of "attacks that ignore the to hit penalty from the trait, ignore the range penalty as well"

>>53752274

> DA got a lot more expensive.

Do you think a unit of them in a wave serpent and a unit of bikes is the way to go for troops in this new edition?

>>53752062
Are we all just ignoring the tucked dick?

Blood Angels or Grey Knights for Assault/Melee marines and why?

>>53752338
Nvm. That would be d3 one-damage MW, so QS wouldn't proc.

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These both came up in a recent game of mine.

Under movement, for the move action, it says you cannot move through models or terrain, unless you can fly. Under Charging, Pile in, and Consolidate this limitation (and the part that says flyers can, well, fly) does not exist. Therefor, you can move through terrain and models freely as if you could fly, even on non-flyers, correct?

Also, Consolidate just happens at the end of every unit's fight phase instead of if they win it seems. And there are ways to give models free fight phases, guardsmen orders and SoB acts of faith for example, which also includes a pile in. Does this mean you could give a model a free fight phase just to move it 6" closer to the nearest enemy model? And it would be flying in 3" leaps due to the above?

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>>53751603
So how would this fare as a list in 8th?
1 Archon
3 Reavers
1 Raider
1 Venom
10 Kabalites
10 Wych's
5 Scourges
1 Talos Pain Engine

>>53752333

>>53752246

AM fast attacks are not great (except hellhounds)

No heavy support is kinda stupid tho, even conscript spam benefits greatly from some HWT spam or some basilisks.

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>>53751963
>I remember reading that among the various individuals one can find in a Freeboota warband, Big Meks and Pain Boyz obsessed solely with creating Deff Dreads can be found

>>53752353

You don't know female genital structure very well, do you, anon? It might help if what you know about female anatomy wasn't presented in 2D.

>>53752303
>>53752321

Sounds great for objective grabbing and what not.

>>53752317
I have a friend like that. He bought two Boxes of CSM, a Dp, one box of termites and 2 obliterators in 2003. Constantly bitches for 10 years, when he won't just buy a couple good units.

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>>53752274
I've played some small games with Avengers and I'm happy with the result. Sticking 7 of them for cover fire with 5 banshees in a wave serpent is pretty good, especially if you charge the serpent in first to mitigate overwatch harm on the admittedly fragile banshees.

Avengers fit the whole 'jack of all trades, master of none' thing, they put out a lot of decently damaging shots and make good midfield/forward line troops, just don't count on them to take down heavy armor...... so basically exactly like the fluff.

The only one (that I care about) I'm genuinely disappointed in is scorpions, they attack a bunch but don't do anything with it. Maybe they're a good solution to the blobbening, but I've yet to actually rest how they do against conscript hordes

Overall I'm happy with aspect warriors

What's the space marines best answer to genes teasers in terms of weapons? Assault cannon? Plasma?

>>53752305
It would be fine if he wasn't such an uppity bitch about it. He always whines that GW broke 8e and made CSM too OP, which simply isnt fucking true.
>>53752365
I keep urging him to get a few Leman Russ's, but apparently reason isnt his strong suit.
>>53752386
Hes exactly the same way.

>>53752353

How do you tuck a dick when your legs are spread apart?

>>53752353
You have never been with a woman.

>>53752382

Speedy is always paired with fragile when it comes to drawbacks. Corsairs packed a hell of a punch with some of their heftier weapons, but they were on lighter platforms that relied mostly on not being hit to survive. War Walkers, Wasps, and all their Skimmers were light targets, and their troops were still pretty lightly armored.

>>53752362
Double correction. Neither orders nor acts of faith can be used on people not in combat to move closer, I'm retarded.

>>53752274
ok Scorpions. I love these guys. They're what I call operator units. They're not countering one specific thing like say anti-tank, or anti-flier, but they aren't providing raw value in terms of toughness or firepower like a mainstay unit.
Instead they do a lot of different things to mess up your opponents plans.

Did this great last editions, still do, but some big changes.
First they aren't going to be as tough. shrouded meant they were 3+/2++ before and while now starting in cover means they'll be 2+ sometimes, their are more counterweapons.
Second, the exarch scorpian claw murder your opponent option is just not as good. Now don't attack first when charged. Can't scaple out your opponents powerweapon on their champion. Now has the same penalties as a normal powerclaw.
On the other hand the biting blade actually looks kinda good for once.

Third: mandiblasters. before they just let you pile on more wounds onto lightly armored enemies. Now they'll put out less wounds, but will give them better killing against heavy armor.

So the details in how they work has changed a lot. But their general idea of "that fairly tough unit that starts out closer to my enemy and makes their plans not work as well" is still all their.

>>53752400

Bolters, combi-flamers, Heavy bolters

>>53752362
First part, yes. Provided it's not Tank traps and shit, your enemy at the gates horde of conscripts just blitzes through cover to reach the enemy.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean in the second paragraph

>>53752363
Any one? Please? Would this be a good list to start off with?

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Normal Librarian, jumppack Librarian, bike Librarian or Terminator Librarian?

>>53752341
bikes are no longer troop slot.
but I honestly don't know what the main composition for eldar will be this edition.
I'm kinda tempted by footdar because you can stack aura buffs in a pretty neat way. But wave serpents are still good.

>>53752438
>I'm not exactly sure what you mean in the second paragraph

Order unit to fight in shooting phase even if the unit is not engaged. Units strikes 0 time, then consolidated, getting free movement while retaining the possibility to assault and shoot.

>>53752401
Kek. I'm an IG player. This is a hilarious mirror situation for me.

Dude spazzed out when I buy Roboute down as my only hq last weekend. He only read half the leaked rules and thought I was cheating using bobby g as an IG hq.

>>53752362
>Under movement, for the move action, it says you cannot move through models or terrain, unless you can fly. Under Charging, Pile in, and Consolidate this limitation (and the part that says flyers can, well, fly) does not exist. Therefor, you can move through terrain and models freely as if you could fly, even on non-flyers, correct?
No. When they say moves, they mean literally any kind of movement, regardless of what phase it's in. You cannot charge through, or pile-in/consolidate through, enemy models or impassable terrain.

>>53752469

Normal or termi if screned by footsloggers

Bike or jump if screened by fast units.

>>53752468

If you put it into a list people will be more inclined to review it.

>>53752479
Nah I just checked and you can only use "Fix Bayonets!" on units that have an enemy model within 1".

>>53752470

Bit disappointed to hear bikes aren't troops anymore, I know they got a bad name from 7E but if they've toned them down I don't see why they couldn't have left them in troops.

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>>53752469
Grey Knight terminator librarian without a stave or storm shield

>>53752513

I was just clarifying what the guy meant, not saying it works.

>>53752420

>relied mostly on not being hit to survive

That's most Eldar units of all types isn't it?

For all of the OP stuff about Craftworlds, I notice neither them or their Commoragh counterparts could really take a hit on the table unless their stuff was Wraith or Wracks-Engines.

I think even some of the worse guns could invalidate Dark Eldar armor saves if I recall.

>>53752363
>>53752468
Sure, DE are super fast and super killy.

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>>53752535
>Taking a librarian in an army where every fuking unit is a psiker

>>53752531
Wait for Chapter Tactics.

>>53752559
Never enough smites man. Never enough smites.

>>53752531
Just use several Vanguard detachments.

>>53752570

True Sam-Hann will probably get them, I'll probably end up using the one that buffs swordwind thought.

>>53752501
I'm not really familiar with Dark Eldar, so I was mostly just asking to see if it would be a good start to an army overall. I'm posting from my phone, so It's a little difficult to look up the power levels.

>>53752531
being troops isn't as big a deal anymore. you lose some CP, but I get the feeling a lot of eldar lists are gong to be around the 3 elite/fa/hs detachments as a base.
>>53752538
you're mostly right, but CW eldar have much more access to decent armor saves than the rest of the eldar.
4+ saves are pretty common, 3+ shows on quite a few units.

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There doesn't seem to be any rule which allows models to move through airborne units. So you can block a tank's movement with a plane.

Also, does anyone else think that 'airborne' is a really bad name for proper flying units? When I think of 'airborne' units in a military context, I think of air-transportable forces, not flying machines.

Is the starter box worth buying if you are only interested in the Primaris marine portion? I feel like the Death Guard side won't have great resale value since the Primaris portion will be more popular.

>>53752363
Archon is the weakest HQ. Bring a Succubus and/or Drazhar if you're taking Incubi. And make sure you characters have a ride. Also you want rides for both your squads. Kabalites want to gunboat and wyches need the protection, transport, and overwatch decoys. A single Talos is pretty meh without a Haemonculus I think. If you aren't going to invest much in Coven stuff a Ravager or Flyer would serve you better.

>>53752570
>>53752604
I don't think it's going to work that way.
Remember, you don't need troops slots to field armies now.

My guesses for Sam-Hann is stratagems that refer to 'sam-hann bikers' or 'sam-hann units with fly'. Stuff like being able to move after deployment, come in from sides or rear, extra movement.

>>53752494
>No. When they say moves, they mean literally any kind of movement, regardless of what phase it's in.

How do you know they mean that though? It certainly isn't stated in the book that they mean that. Under 'Moving' it just says "Move a model it's movement, it can't go further than that, it can't go through models or terrain, and can move vertically.". Other types of movement just say "Move each model up to 3", they can go any direction as long as they end up closer to the nearest enemy".

This shit is important since, due to the 'model can't move through other models' part you can't even move through models in your own unit while piling in/consolidating if you are limited by normal movement rules.

>>53752577

Termi librarian with power sword and storm bolter: 151pt

Champion with storm bolter and nemesis falchion: 115pt

Same amount of smites

I want to play IG, mainly like tanks and hws. Want it be low model count. Should I sink money into assassins to tie up squads in hth?

>>53752672
DEldar transports do better in combat than people are going to expect. they hit on 4+, and succubus buff applies to them if you make them cult.
Haemonculus buff also applies to transports if you make them coven.

Archons are the cheapest for a reason, despite the 2+ invuln being base and free.

>>53751603

Let's talk acolytes

I just realised any imperial army can fill any amount of troop slots for 10ish pt each to get easy CP from battalion / brigade detachments.

>>53752678
That feeling of having higher costing thus premium smites!

>>53752630

>4+ saves are pretty common

I remember that being one of the better reasons to take Lootas and the Gorkanaut before.

Assuming you could keep them out of trouble, you could go through an entire squad fairly easily.

Should conscripts be changed to be unable to take orders will it still be possible to harness the mighty power of massed lasgun fire when infantry squads now cannot be combined ? Commissar and priests aura rules seem to encourage clumping infantry squads together but would that fuck with LoS as the rear squads have to fire through the front ?

>>53752468
This list doesn't make sense, the first thing you want to do is look at wargear options for these units, what special weapons are your Kabalites taking? Your scourges? Are your reavers taking a special weapon?

Next, look at composition and how your units play off one another. This list is schizophrenic, what is the Venom doing here? Are you really going to flogslog your Wychs or Kabalites? One has a 6+ save and the other has a 5+.

Why is the Talos here? Are you using it as a melee monster or a weapons platform? Is it really going to fulfill either of those roles?

In my opinion, which you can disregard if you want, if that you should drop the Talos and pick up another Raider, then you have both troops in Raiders and your Archon in a Venom leaving your squishy elves protected in transports.

Give your Scourges Dark Lances or Blasters to deal with Vehicles and now you have a well rounded force.

>>53752676
A move is a move is a move, and from context reading the preview articles for 8th edition, listening to the playtesters and the designers talk about tactics, we know for a fact you can never move through enemy models unless you have Fly.

>>53752660
>using vehicles without the Fly keyword

>>53752721
And make commissars only give a +3 to conscript ld.

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>>53752499
What wargear should I take?

I guess I'll be using footsloggers if I'm building a marine army and plan on having a powerfist Chaplain in the group too?

I want to build a fluffy Salamanders army. I want to have this model be a stand in for the powerfist chaplain

>>53752716
Well you still need 2 HQ per battalion and forget about cheap barebones brigades since there are min requirements for HS, FA and elites as well .

>>53752670
>I feel like the Death Guard side won't have great resale value since the Primaris portion will be more popular.

Plus the primaris are fairly generic while nobody wants more duplicates of exactly the same nurgle guys.

Still, it's the book, four units and four characters for £95. It would probably cost you more than that to buy the primaris kits alone. So, if you are really sure you want all the marine models in your collection, it seems like a good deal.

>>53752747
It could give -10 and it would not matter, as they would still lose just 1 model in each morale phase.

Is 2000 points the new standard size for 40K?
Does it say anything in the rulebook?

>>53752732
If that's true, it isn't written in the rules. And you also still can't ever move through your own models in their own unit unless they have fly.

What's the word on how to kit out a Dev squad?

>>53752771
Nah, it's just with all the points increases, most 1850 lists now cost around 2000 points.

>>53752775
>And you also still can't ever move through your own models in their own unit unless they have fly.
Correct.

>>53752768
I meant as replacement for commissar's execution rule.

>>53752156
The Lynch pleb filter catches another one

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How do I make a lore accurate Vostroyan army?

I'm talking would they use mass infantry, mass artillery, mechanized assaults, tank assaults, or even try mixing multiple together?

>>53752761

It's more in "my army has the FA/HW/HS/Elite slots filled, but i only have a few points left. so instead of spearhead + vanguard + outrider can get +6 CP with super-cheap troops.

Also somewhat in fluff as inquisitorial acolytes can be around pretty much anywhere.

so i played a battle today using power levels to prove how broken they are

his army was grey knights, mine was orks

he took 10 terminators, a paladin ancient, an apothecary and a grand master

i took 10 meganobz, 5 flash gitz, and a mega armoured warboss

he killed 3 meganobz, I tabled him on turn 3

this shit is fucking broken guys

>>53752719
DE covens look like they'll be surprisingly tough this edition, and not just their pain-engines. You'll want multiple haemonculus for the bubbles. Which apply to transports too so before until they want to jump forward their now T6 with their 5++ save, -1 to hit for the venom.
Wracks are T5, with a 5++ save and a 6+ FNP.

>>53752802

> He doesn't love incestuous undertones.

Weird right?

>>53752813
He should have stayed at range if possible

>>53752794
Commissar already gives conscript LD8, 9 if lord.

>>53752805
Fuck they're cool , wish they had a plastic infantry kit.

>>53752814

How many attacks do Wracks and Pain Engines get now?

Also, how is Urien now? I remember him being one of the more interesting chaps.

>>53752840
Fuck conscripts. This is some bullshit.

>>53752813
Everyone already knows power levels are broken. That's why Matched Play uses points costs instead.

>>53752813

This is a bit of a moot point though because nobody is really going to use them and if they do they should be slapped.

>>53752695
If you like, but there are a lot of other options. Bullgryns, rough riders, crusaders, arco flagellants, penitent engines, vigilators, acolytes, custodians...

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>>53752842

I wish scintillan had models at all

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>want to go Space Wolves
>never built loyalist marines, know ill get my ass beat if I ever play anyone because im used to an entirely different playstyle
>dont want to be called a space furry
>still in love with their lore

Life is hell.

>>53752810
True , but then you do have 6 very squishy units for kill point purposes, probably still worth it

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>>53752842
Right? I feel like they would mess up nowadays though, make them too cartoony.

>>53752832
I was kicking his ass at range with Flash Gitz, and advancing with my Meganobz.

>>53752721

Just rule it so a team can't have negative command points.

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>>53752805

They're specialised for urban combat, so anything goes.
My vossies are mechanised, but when I get enough boys together I'll be going gun-line instead.

>>53752862

They look like something from a Star Wars prequel.

>>53752855
I was thinking of the assassins since they are 10 bucks a pop on eBay and can deep strike, while I put my money into tanks. I have 2 leman Russ and a hellhound at the moment. Are acolytes good?

>>53752894
Have faith, they translated the Blanche look to the Skitarii perfectly.

>>53752842
Do they not? I swear I saw one at a FLGS

>>53752695

If you want to stay pure IG you could use stormtroopers/Tepmestus Scions to fill your troops requirements.

A 10 man squad with 4 plasma guns comes in at 118 points; 138 for 4 meltaguns.

Add a Dakka Prime, Valkyrie, or simply deep strike to taste.

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>>53752908

their officers are even better

>>53752899
We'll shit. Really wanted PL to have its place.

>>53752915
They're metal only. As old as Sisters.

>>53752862
Try perrys war of independence plus lasgun and grenade bitz , do look more slight though since they're true scale

>>53752845
Wracks are 2 attack. Always wound on 4+.
Talos or 4 attack, but really 5 because their weapon gives them an extra attack, 2 if you don't replace it. Guns are pretty sweet.
Cronos are 3 attacks, but they don't really want to melee as much.
Urien is T6 because of his aura. 4++, reroll saves against S less than 9. His problem is he doesn't do much besides survive and give his buff.

>>53752813
>>53752849
I hate idiots that think power levels are just a weird points system.

The point is not to build towards a limit with power levels, it's just there to compare how powerful an army is.
If someone "is being a dick taking all da upgrades!" then put more units on the table, it's not hard.

>>53752884

There's primaris wolves. Spam primaris marines painted up as space wolves and give them actual fenris wolves by their side. Then you have yourself a Space Wolves army sans yiff.

>>53752884
>use grey instead of light blue for armor
>put a lot of emphasis on runes and runic accessories
>remove as much wolf shaped shit as possible

>>53752914

It's what I loved most about them. They're exactly what I imagined them to be, like they just jumped right out of a Blanche painting.

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>>53752906
Okay anon if you can provide it, I need the recipe for this. I have a ton of Vostroyans that need to be painted up.

>>53752946
I didn't take any upgrades. I took bare-bones units.

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>>53752813
>proving that power levels are broken by taking units which have virtually no options and who's power level closely matches their points cost

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>>53752784
There's no definitive answer anymore. Grav is probebly the best damage all around but is hampered by range since vehicles now lake firing points. Plasma Cannons are weak on normal charge but awesome on supercharge. Strongly consider them if you have a character around to provide re-rolls.

As for the less situational choices, Heavy Bolters, Lascannons, and Missile Launchers all have their place as the longer range options for infantry(and being cheap), tanks, and all comers. Pick what works best for your army.

Multi-Meltas are all the problems of Grav, but even worse. I don't think I'd ever take them over just going with Grav.

>>53752929

games-workshop/en-US/Vostroyan-Firstborn-Squad
Out of stock, but it exists.

>>53752962
That's not the point.

>>53752914
I sure do hope so, I love their aesthetic too much for GW to mess up.
>>53752906
When you say gunline, what do you mean? Like a trench line with heavy weapon teams and artillery or blobs of conscripts(for the sake of your wallet I hope it isn't the second one)

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Whaddya think, /40kg/? They're still heavily wip but the general stuff i think is coming along nicely.

I like the weathering, but maybe I should do it a bit starker? I dunno, anyone have feedback or advice?

>>53752884
>in love with their lore
Hell is too good for the likes of you.

>>53752078
Nurge is boring, you can't be betrayed if you're well prepared for it.

So how exactly are Militarum Tempestus supposed to be played?

>>53753007

By spamming tauros primes, apparently

>>53752981
That's metal, anon, exactly what I said. The anon up the reply chain said he wished for plastic.

>>53752267
The GK can tell them to screw off if they feel like it, but they have no reason to so they usually don't.

>>53753007
>>53753016
if you use pure math, this is correct. taurox primes are simply the best unit to take against the widest variety of targets

>>53753039
Oh, I cant read. Sorry

Does anyone have any idea how a datasmith might be converted to look a bit different? I want another pair of robots, but don't want an identical dude with them.

>>53753007
Dudes with plasma, melta and volley guns arriving by taurox , valk and deep strike ,getting orders from their officers

Why don't more people play tabletop games?

>>53752991
Kastelans still look so fucking shitty.

I wish there was an easy way to get the datasmith separate so I could run him with Castellax proxies.

>>53752992
Im talking book lore, not the shit on the figures
>>53752947
>>53752953
Thanks anons

>>53752678
GK Librarians get free Force Staves and can take a Storm Shield for a 2++ in melee.

>>53752996

Nurgle is love, Nurgle is life

>>53753066
They aren't convenient mostly.

>>53753066
It's a major vagina deterrent.

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>>53752813
>tabled on turn 3

Sounds about the same as my entire experience playing 7th ed GK.

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Put together a 1k Mech Eldar army list for 8th Ed.

Any opinions?

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>>53753093

>>53753051
Easiest would probably be to do a headswap and to swap the backpack out for an old space marine servo-arm backpack.

>>53753083

>I was only 9 years old
>I loved Nurgle so much, I had all diseases and mutations
>I pray to Nurgle every night before bed, thanking him for the poxes I’ve been given
>"Nurgle is love" I say; “Nurgle is life”
>My dad hears me and calls me an heretic
>I know he was just jealous of my devotion for Nurgle
>I called him a cunt
>He slaps me and sends me to go to sleep
>I’m crying now, and my face hurts
>I lay in bed and it’s really cold
>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me
>It’s Nurgle
>I am so happy
>He whispers into my ear “This is my swamp.”
>He grabs me with his powerful demon hands and puts me down onto my hands and knees
>I’m ready
>I spread my ass-cheeks for Nurgle
>He penetrates my butt-hole
>It hurts so much but I do it for Nurgle
>I can feel my butt tearing as my eyes start to water
>I push against his force
>I want to please Nurgle
>He roars in a mighty roar as he fills my butt with his love
>My dad walks in
>Nurgle looks him straight in the eyes and says “It’s all mutated now.”
>Nurgle leaves through my window
>Nurgle is love. Nurgle is life.

>>53753073
D'you like the paintjob tho?

I think I did the datasmith justice

>>53753066
Scheduling inconvenience. Gotta prioritize work and education.

I have 60 sluggas(with 2 big shootas), 40 Gretchen, 2 aobr warbosses, and 10 aobr mobs. How to expand. My two buddies that got me in are incredibly casual. I'm talking SM player has a librarian, 3 tactical squads and a 5 man assault squad.

How should I expand my army?

>>53753066
Takes lots of time and effort to build and paint shit let alone play.

>>53753066

Play more as in play different games or play more games of say 40k?

>>53753165

A battlewagon is always fun

>>53753165
Depends on what you want to do with your army anon. If you're looking to win games, then infantry is never a bad choice. Then again, a lot of vehicles now have very high points values, meaning that a single vehicle increases the points value of your army considerably, and they add a new edge to your threat radius.

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>>53753073
>hating retro beep boops
fucker

>>53753066
This hobby is weird as fuck from the outside looking in
Also barrier to entry is pretty high, especially if you want to be good at the hobby side

>>53753143
The smith looks pretty decent

I just can't get over my hate of the Kastelan model to objectively judge the paint job on those

>>53753066
it's a significant time and money investment. Lots of other hobbies are too, but tabletop has a lot more of that upfront.
Stuff like shadow war help this quite a bit, but it's still there.

Also requires space to play that isn't something everyone has.

Even for people who are into games and hobbies, it can or at least seem, like it has a very high requirement to entry.

>>53753165
Most recently I've been developing my Ork Fighta Skwad, bought 3 Dakka Jets and a Wazbomma Blastajet, they fly in a formation and strafe the battlefield. I find it pretty entertaining.

>>53753205
I'm already tired of pushing hordes.

>>53753209
Anon, they are bad. The retro concept is great, see Sicarian Infiltrators. The Kastelans, in execution, are really, really fucking bad. They look like hasbro toys. They are worse than Centurions.

>>53753165

I'm partial to Flash Gitz

>>53753143
Looks good. I feel like the datasmith needs a stripe or accent of red to invert the Kastellan's scheme though.

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I desperately need the passage from a 40k book describing chaos overtaking their ship. It was beautiful and dark, and I can't find it and never copied it because I'm a little bitch. Help me please, /tg/

>>53753230
I'm on a budget of one thing a month. Which flyer is the best option for meq?

HOLY SHIT IM RETARDED AS FUCK.
I ONLY PLAY CASUALLY WITH A FRIEND AND I JUST REALISED. JUST NOW. THAT A MODEL CAN SHOOT WITH MULTIPLE WEAPONS EACH TURN.

HAS THAT ALWAYS BEEN A THING?

IF MY MUHREEN HAS A FUCKING FLAMETHROWER AND A BOLTGUN, IT CAN FIRE BOTH IN A SINGLE SHOOTING PHASE?

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Radium Pistol plus Arc Maul or Power Sword, yes/no?

Hello, I am new to the tabletop gaming part of WH40k, with the coming of 8th Edition, and I had some questions regarding stats and listbuilding.

To what extent can you customize the gear that each unit wears? If I have five Marines, the models of which all have bolters, is it still okay to list them as having maybe three bolters, a flamer and a melta?

>>53753066
I think it goes as follows.

For most people:
It's not a normal hobby. The average individual is hesitant enough to enter into a hobby that doesn't provide social capital. Like Videogaming in many cases. Tabletop wargaming provides even LESS social capital, perhaps even negative. Normal hobbies include eating out, travel, exercising, playing guitar and other things that provide social capital and/or has the potential to attract the opposite sex.

For others:
People don't like the effort involved.
"Why not Vidya?"
Sucks at painting.
My Japanese friend pointed out they'd love tabletop over there if it wasn't for space constraints for storage and tables, so space is an issue for many.
Lack of FLGS in some areas.
Most games have pretty excessive lore, or require historical knowledge bordering on autism a la /hwg/.
Lack of funds.
Having internet friends now gives otherwise Tabletop-loving social rejects a reason to never leave their computer.
Familial tremors.
Games require a time and travel investment.
"Math is hard"/"The computer could just do the math for you".
Miniature characters aren't cute or sexy. Even Infinity has failed at making 28mm cute or sexy.
Even nerdy girls don't seem to like it, could be for a variety of reasons.

That's all I can think of right now. There's doubtless more.

>>53753275

If you want to target MEQ, go Flash Gitz

BS4+ Heavy3, S5 Ap-2 cuts them like butter.

>>53753297
I mean yeah but how are you getting a flamer and bolter on the same model?

>>53753259
That's a good idea, thanks.

It's kinda awkward because all my Skitarii and priests are in the zandri dust robes, but that color looks fucking awful on Kataphron Battleplate and the boops, so I had to do red instead. I like the stripe idea a lot, good way of blending them

>>53753216
Fair point, as soon as Castellax come out in 40k I'm probably gonna be done with them

>>53753066
"Tabletop games" covers an immensely broad spectrum of shit and everybody I know plays at least one kind like Uno, MTG, Risk, Monopoly, etc. at least semi-regularly.

As for 40k specifically, well, it's not a cheap hobby to get into. Realistically compared to a lot of other hobbies it is actually, but the time investment in assembling, painting and learning the game also adds up. It's also a massive setting that while fucking awesome, is hard for people to get into and frankly not everyone's taste. And then on top of all that you've gotta find people you can tolerate for two-plus hours to actually play the game with. I think Shadow War: Armageddon is a great way for people to jump into the hobby though. A basic infantry box is all you need to get into SW and if you wanna expand into 40k proper, well you've already got a squad of dudes.

>>53753066
High initial cost of entry, large time investment for playing and hobby parts, bit of social stigma against it, the playerbase can be outright repulsive in some areas, the amount of stuff needed to play a game (armies, army list, books, table, terrain, dice, tape measure), doing math, reading, how shitty your first batch of models tend to look

>>53753243

I think the only people who unironically like the plastic robots and prefer them over even FW's superior resin robots, are the kind of players with zero taste.

I don't even mean that as an insult to them, personally. I mean these are the guys who make super eye rape gaudy color schemes because they have zero sense of aesthetics. They're the reason so many neckbeards don't care about grooming, personal appearances, or hygiene. They're the kind of people who can't tell the difference between the plastic Contemptor and the resin ones, and why the resin ones are better.

They just don't have an eye for aesthetics. It's not their fault, it's either genetic or a lifetime of cultural ingraining.

>>53753297

No, it's only a thing in 8e. In the case of combi-weapons, they each fire -1 to hit. In the case of pistols, a model can fire all its normal guns or all its pistols, but not both.

But how are you getting both on the same model? Usually they replace each other.

>>53753312
Are you talking about is it okay to represent different weapons than the models are actually modelled with? If so, usually no in competitive environments, they tend to use WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get).

>>53753297

This only started in 8th edition. Old rules said you could only shoot one weapon per model unless you were a vehicle, and vehicles could not target different enemies without a special rule.

Instead of adding some coven units purely to get sniper rifles, do you think Hellions could work as anti-character?
Given their movement etc the plan would be to just bumrush them, and hope I don't have to deal with a melee monster like Girlyman.

>>53753043
Thanks, anon. So, basically, it's up to the GK's goodwill? How would the Ordo respond if they blew them off?

>>53753312

Team lists say how many and what models can have special weapon options. If it says that, out of a five man unit, only one can have a special weapon like a flamer, melta, or plasma gun, then only one guy can. If it says two, then you can have two. And, yes, they can mix and match between different weapons unless it says they all need to take the same ones.

Epidemius with csm daemon nurgle units reminds me of fifth all over again.

Thinking of running possessed, talons, nurglings, and oblits as a crazy fun daemon csm hybrid army.

>>53753240
Buy some movement trays, and ignore the people who say they're bad for some reason but never specify exactly what that is.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201835476286?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=501863348466&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Here's a guy who makes some for cheap and they're damn good, but there's a bunch to choose from. Suddenly instead of pushing 30 models, you're pushing one movement tray.

Thoughts on 6 Fire Dragons in a Falcon vs. 5 Wraith Guard in a Wave Serpent?

>>53753350
>>53753344
ahhh, okay.
My friend and I learnt together, figuring it out as we played, so for the first few weeks we'd always come across things we were doing wrong. I thought this was just something massive we both missed.

>>53752984

>what do you mean?
Zulu-style firing line with piles of riflemen supported by Mortars and Heavy Bolters.
I have an Aegis line, but I like the look of the Wall of martyrs more.

>>53753374
That's not what I meant though, but >>53753346 got it, and if that's true I can both understand that and I also find it silly.

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>A man so inherently manly, they had to give him a cybernetic nipple

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>>53753361
Something like pic related

>>53753377
>the movement tray meme continues

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Guardsmen anon here, played an 8th edition game with 100 conscripts with their meme support of commissar, commander, and priest
Idk if Anyone is interested in how they did or if that meme got old

>>53753297
No.

Marines replace their boltgun with their flamer when they buy it, so no. A model like an Space Marine biker with a special weapon could fire both the special weapon and his bike's bolters though.

>>53753327
I like the Kastelans, but I do find them massively inferior to the Castellax.

>>53753361
I dunno, the GK are usually willing to work with the Ordo Malleus since they both combat Daemons. I suppose if the GK weren't available they'd just go for the next best things, which would be the Red Hunters and the Exorcists Space Marine chapters, as well as any IG or Stormtrooper regiments they can round up.

>>53753409
Well everyone has been asking for proofs.
So how did it go?

>>53753404
You have a army with short fun movement phases.

>>53753445
I play Tyranids with over 100 models, and have done so since 2nd edition.

Movement trays are a shitty meme.

>>53753428

>Some butthurt inquisitor try do declare GK excommunicate traitors
>Other inquisitors declare the first group excommunicate traitors

Pretty much business as usual

>>53753457
If you don't like them, don't use them.

>>53752354
Bump for the Bump God

>>53752958

Fatigues are simply Khorne red, Nuln oil then Highlight of Mephiston red.
Armour plating is Balthasar Gold, Nuln oil then Mithril silver or whatever name it goes by today.
Wood is Mournfang brown, Nuln oil and highlight Karak stone. use it on the furniture of the rifle to give it a wooden effect.
And Leather is Mournfang brown and highlight Deathclaw brown.

>>53753457
>>53753404
as usual, calling things a meme is considered a substitute for an actual argument

maybe explain why they're bad and people might give a shit about your opinion?

>>53753457
That few. Get on ork players level.

>>53753457
not a meme and one of the reason why removing of blast templates is go, but I'm assuming you're liking not having to try to maintain as close to 2" inch spacing between all your models at all times.

>>53753475
For allying? Or as the whole army?

>>53753457
You keep saying they are shitty but why? Not the other guy, honest question.

>>53753409

I'd be really interested in hearing how the Punisher and the conscripts performed.

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How is Red Terror with raveners now?

>>53753536
Go on....

>>53753409
That ork's got 4 vehicles tops and you got 5 tanks and a baneblade. Pretty sure we all know how all this went down.

>>53753559
Oh crap. Thought >>53753536 said how they performed was interesting.

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Critique my IG list please. 2000 points exactly, 6 command points. Abridged version below, detailed in image.


3x Tempestor Prime (Command Rod, chainsword)
6x 10 Tempestus Scions (4 Plasma Guns, 1 Plasma Pistol, 5 Hot Shot Lasguns)
3x Eversor Assassin
6x Taurox Prime (Taurox Gatling Cannon, 2 Hot Shot Volley Guns, Stormbolter)
1x Commisar (Bolt Pistol)
1x 50 Conscripts
5x Heavy Weapons Squad (3 Mortars)

Idea is to drop the Scions+Tempestor Primes turn one with "Take Aim!" orders and supercharged plasma. Eversors will be dropped to tie up any scary melee threat to the scions or counterdrop if they drop on me. Taurox Primes are just sturdy points efficient all around units. In the back i'll have a mortar ball bubblewrapped in conscripts.

I'm still not clear if deep strike units count when it comes to "finishing deployment first". If they're ignored then I should usually finish first. If not then i'll usually go second but half my value with be off the table and the other half will be sturdy, out of range, or bubblewrapped.

>>53753459

That's how it works. Inquisitors have all the power in theory, but that power is only respected insofar as they can bring it to bear. Two Inquisitors declaring each other Excommunicate Traitoris are usually left to conduct a shadow war amongst themselves until one is dead or they start threatening things outside themselves. Others will step in if it gets out of hand or one side has more support, but otherwise they have their own jobs to do.

>>53753066
Warhammer still has a massive social "nerd" stigma that it hasn't been able to shake like video games have.

Remember gaming only became really popular when they made "hardcore" PC-style gaming available to the masses with the fagbox generation.

You never know, maybe this edition will be easy enough to normalize it and then we can have hundreds of feminists and normies ruining our hobby too.

Frankly I'd rather it remain the realm of neckbeards.

>>53753526
At top level play careful character positioning in or partially in units is going to be extremely key to protect them from units with fly and assaults in general while still maximizing their auras and moving around terrain. That's the main issue. But they're also super useless once you hit close combat.

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>>53753442
So pretty much everything was on my side for success, the Orks moved up and barely killed a thing, everyone was in rapid fire range, not only that but yarrik was letting both blobs rerolls all their to hits cause the old man hates green skins, so with all that helping them the conscripts did...
okay
They simply did what they've been doing for past editions, providing a blockade of bodies tying up the enemy and keeping them busy while the backline guns pound them to dust, all the buffs they got like 1st rank 2nd rank and actually usuing their saves helped, but it didn't change much, I couldn't even vaporize a squad of 30 boys with 180 lasgun shots and then I turned the other blob on a trukk and it took two wounds of ten, I won the game, tabled him actually, in no small part to the conscripts keeping him busy, not that a single one saw the end of the game, but they felt exactly as effective as they are in 7th, a speed bump not a game ender
I'm sure I didn't use them right and name being a shitty general is why they didn't rape face, but idk if their questionable niche is worth filling if it means making you opponent bored as you roll your 200 dice to not even kill a squad of guys

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>>53753586
>2K points IG
>No anti-tank

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>>53753327
Tbh I like the kastellans in a campy throwback way, but it looks really weird next to the more punk and techy rest of the Mechanicum line.

They're sleek and 50's in an army of neo-90's grit and punk, and it looks weird. Spaceage, but weird.

The problem with movement trays is they only work for non-combat movement. Moment you get any combat involves, you've got to pile in and leave your bases.

>>53753613
I'm interested to see what a squad of berzerkers would do to the conscript meme if they could get the charge off. I imagine they'd tear through a huge swath of them immediately.

I've got an
>Overlord
>cryptek
>triarch stalker
>3 heavy destroyer
>5 deathmark
>5 gauss immortal
>10 tesla immortal
>20 warriors
This is my whole cron army to date should be roughly 1200pts, finishing up painting the warriors and immortals, then I need to paint HQ's and destroyers.
Anything a must have for 8th that I'm missing? I was thinking after my backlog is thru I should get a command barge or an ark.

>>53752110

I'll amend my statement.

The aspect Warriors are universally shit.

Unless you're a fluff bunny playing an extremely casual game.

>>53753586

Mortars are crap against anything but IG, nid hordes and the lightest eldars, HB outperforms them point by point on anything else, especially MEQ.

>>53753309
No, keep them cheap, those points are better spent on something else

>>53753309
>replace assault 3 gun with pistol 1 gun
>pay for this
no
>reasonably priced power weapon on a unit that debuffs enemies in close combat
sure, probably go with the sword

>>53753428
>>53753459
>>53753589
When they work together, is it a partnership or does The Inquisitor straight-up take command?

>>53753586
"I heard these units are good"/10

>>53753586
Eversors don't "tie up" anything FYI.

They kill what they meant to kill, or wound it and die trying (then blow up and kill it). Its a guided missile, not a gluetrap.

>>53752813
It's meant to be a system used for narrative games. Jesus fucking christ. If you are trying to use PP for "balanced" "fair" "tournament" battles then get the fuck out. Use points for fucking fair play.

PP are useful because I can go pure WYSIWYG and run through some story battles for fun.

If a rando shows up and wants a PP battle that isn't a story-match then I will be suspicious and ask for a point battle.

Simple as that.

>>53753631
Overcharged plasma is almost a good as melta , and the officers let him reroll 1s

>>53753586
>Single conscript blob with single commissar and no officer

Really?

Okay guys I have a question. Is tabletop simulator worth it? Is it possible to find people to play with on it? I'm not talking doing a game with my friends, I'm saying can i find people through table top simulator and does the damn thing actually work?

>>53753645
Why do you say that?

Reapers are beasts for covered objective camping and spears and spiders- while expensive- are awesome.

>>53753631
I think the 30x plasma should be sufficient but idk

>>53753699
Yeah, go for it.

>>53753613
I played with 2 squads of 40 conscripts and bobby g yesterday. Even with frfsrf, I was luck to take out a couple marines.

cons don't do great in melee, since you're more than likely ordering them to FRSR you're not worried about fixing bayonets, then if you do get charged you're using your order on them next turn to get them back in the fight, it's really easy for them to get desynched, and not in the good iceclimbers way

>>53753409
ugly unbased orks with unpainted models, half painted guardsmen in disgusting movement trays, baneblade sticking out like a motherfucker unprimed.

am I the only one who refuses to play against unpainted armies?

>>53753696
He said it's for wrapping the HWTs up, why bother with orders if it's just bubblewrap

>>53752700

The issue is that unless specifically stated aura buffs don't work if the buffing model is in a transport.

So in order for your transports to benefit from Succumbs or Haemonculus buffs, the subb/haemmy has to be outside of the transport first. Ehhh...

>>53753353
Many armies have enough models they can wrap all around their characters to stop you doing that.

>>53753735

Yes.

>>53753735
Most of the orks actually look painted. It's just that one battlewagon.

>>53753676
Eh, I did the math on them. Everyone kinda came to the same conclusions pretty quickly because the numbers are all straight forward and easy to calculate.

>>53753735
Painting like shit ruins the minis. Grey is better than playing against a poop horde.

>>53753750
Relevant the turn they both charge.

>>53751847
How about allowing chaos aspiring champions to buy a Combi weapon and a special melee weapon again so this dude is legal
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Chaos-Space-Marines-Aspiring-Champion?_requestid=595151

>>53753743

But why bother with mortar HWT at all?
The taurox shred infantry already.

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>>53753729
Yup, just like last edition they are of questionable viability, actually the running joke was "but guys on the internet said this was good" between me and my opponent all game, don't get me wrong, a good conscript blob always is a nice way of making sure your backline guns stay unklawed
On a different note it was a good haul as I got a squad of ten squats, and 2 badly painted five man squads of death company and sanguinary guard along with an old captain and a bunch of jump pack sprues for $13 from the bargain bin, so that was a cool way to end the day

>>53753586
spam/10

this too>>53753676

Just looks boring, the list doesn't have any personality, so much the only thing to critique is the lack of flexibility between the spammed mortars and gatling taurox