Paizo Games General /pgg/?

>>53648021
>What are the weirdest weapons your characters have used/picked up?
See normally I'd say an enemy Wizard but that's typical on /tg/
Then I'd probably say that monk that did unarmed attacks with his Large cock for 1d8 damage at level 1 but that's also typical on /tg/
So probably 3rd place is when I used a nuclear fuel rod as an improvised club.

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I don't like the vancian spellcasting system, but I do like spells.
Is the Dreamscarred Press psionics stuff a good pick for this? I hear it's mosty X power, but you add Y points to make it suck less when you cast it.

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Which games are still recruiting?

>>53648021
>weebo OP
>barely page 8
Fuck off.

>>53648237
Well, you'd need to do some refluffing, but you can very well use a psion in place of wizard or a wilder in place of a sorcerer, yes.

>>53648346
Are you upset?

>>53648380
Anime OP's are cancer ruining the thread.

>>53648387
You seem upset, take a deep breath.

>>53648387
>implying there's anything of value to ruin

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>>53648346
>>53648387
>Complaining about anime on 4chan

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Who else is getting excited about Pathfinder: Kingmaker?

>>53648531
Maybe if it's moddable lmao

>>53648531
Why would I do that? ToEE is the immediate comparison and it's massively overrated shit.

>>53648531
Dude PoE II and D:OS II are both out soon
PF:Kangzmakerz is going to be novelty at best

>>53648237
Spheres of Power is also good if you want a more fluff-neutral option.

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>>53648552
Don't really like mods, personally.
>>53648595
Actually it sounds more like they are drawing on Planescape:Torment, Baldur's Gate I & II, and Icewind Dale I & II.

Can't wait to play my cutie patootie Halfling Bard Queen.

>>53648619
There's a Path of Exile 2?

Jaysus.

>>53648619
Pillars of Eternity II and Divinity Original Sin II will both be fun games but I was bringing up Kingmaker because, well, this is the /pgg/ afterall.

>>53648320
PLD
Ensoulment
JttW
Chalice
A few others I'm forgetting

>>53648021
Adamantine +1 Plant-Bane Garden Shears

>>53648320
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77201/essentia-forgotten-home

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>>53648887
That sounds kinda neat! I might write something up after I post an app for Chalice (I have to get in on the Near Eastern flair, that's my jam)

>>53648021
shitseeker and starshitter thread spam needs to be banned

>>53649017
kys wayne

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>>53649078

Can you be Neutrally aligned if you murder people for money?

>>53649181
Don't think so if you're an assassin, but you can be LE.

>>53649190
What's your Law-Chaos axis point if you're a contract killer with no factional loyalties that likes to send money home for mum?

>>53649199
Could be LE, could be NE.

>>53649199
LE or NE.

>>53649181
Depends on how picky you are about your targets. If you only kill people who deserve it, I don't see why not.

>>53649199
>if you're a contract killer with no factional loyalties that likes to send money home for mum?

The thing you and everyone else needs to understand is that Evil does not mean you're a misanthropic sociopath; Evil characters can not only have friends, they can fall in love - hell, they can have infatuations and fall *desperately* in love. The only difference with an Evil character is they have no qualms about how to defend, enrich or otherwise support those loved ones; a Good character might go out and work a second job to support his family. A Neutral Evil character will sneak out and slit that Good character's throat to steal his shit to do the same.

>>53649181
Why do you kill people for money instead of farming or other peasantry?

>>53649206
>>53649208
>>53649263
What's "Lawful" about LE? What sets it apart from NE?
We'll use the context of this assassin that loves their mum. No secret order membership, no religious vows or anything. What about this person even COULD make them "Lawful"?

>>53649269
Raised around criminals and ne'er-do-wells in the bad part of town to never do well, and happened to excel at stabbing dudes.

I have a question, mostly aimed to people that played pathfinder, but has anyone played FFD20, and if so, what do you think about it?

>>53649283
Presumably as an assassin he's taking jobs from someone, otherwise he's just a plain murderhobo not an assassin. An assassin is always hired.

>>53649283
Do they have rules of engagement? Do they have principles on who they kill, for what money, and so on?

NE covers a very broad range, from the "ultimate egoist" type to "kill because death"-daemons. CE is "I do what I want and I don't care who suffers" of various flavors. LE is "I care about consequences, but as long as they are okay in MY book it's all good".

>>53649283
The difference between Lawful Evil and Neutral Evil is their focus on either perverting the legal system to get what they want, or having a strict moral code that, however corrupted, guides their actions.

It's comparing the honorable "Black Knight" archetype villain to, say, Sauron.

>>53649335
NE can also be "I need something done but I don't care what". Someone determined to save his sister from some sort of supercurse and is willing to do anything (anything being the type of 'anything' that makes Lucifer happy) to make it happen is NE, even if his goal itself might be fine.

>>53649283
True Neutral is the average person, the typical peasant.

Neutral Good therefore is the idealized average person, and Neutral Evil is the average person if they were Gypsies.

>>53649330
That's true! Something of an independent contractor with an attentive mentor.

>>53649335
>rules of engagement
>who they kill
Didn't kill the child of a mark once despite said child witnessing the assassin (albeit while masked)
>for what money
Depends on market forces, m8

>>53649337
Hmm, sounds like it takes a lot more than just being pragmatic, then.

Basically, the good-evil axis is the spectrum of how far the character believes "The ends justify the means"

>>53649429
>>53649431
Yeah, NE is sounding more and more appropriate by the minute.

Thanks, /pgg/as!

>>53649451
>Hmm, sounds like it takes a lot more than just being pragmatic, then.

Neutral Evil characters are pragmatic, Lawful Evil characters have a code.

And Morgan Freeman says "FUCK THE CODE."

>>53649451
EVERY alignment can be pragmatic, there is no Stupid alignment. NE and CE aren't Stupid Evil.

>>53649431
>Neutral Evil is the average person if they were Gypsies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3NoDEu7kpg

>>53649464
Chaotic alignments BY DEFINITION are stupid as fuck.

>>53649482
>Barzillai Thrune and Senshen

>>53649491
No they aren't. They just value freedom over order.

>>53649491
No they aren't. CE is literally "might makes right" the alignment when it comes to government, a CE isn't going to be suicidal all the time. You can have shit like CE trickster types (Christian meme Loki is CE but not at all stupid), or CE people who just have nothing better to do with their time than fuck people up. Also, succubi are CE and not stupid, they even wait years to get a return on their investment sometimes.

>>53642616
Relinking since I'm still getting messaged about it.

Chloromancer, a support class that becomes a fey queen

>>53649455
>>53649491
Lawful to chaotic could be viewed as how much you restrict yourself on your choice of means for your end?

>>53649566
>courtesy of Wist
Is it true that if we get accepted into PLD we can PM Wist whenever we want?

>>53649578
Yes, you can even kiss her.

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>>53649491
>t. Lawfag

How do you role play chaotic good in a way that is not obnoxious?

>>53649578
I keep it in the group discord

>>53649630
You're a Chad.

And not like, one of those manufactured Hate-Chads that /r9k/ hawks, an honest-to-goodness nice guy that encourages your buddies to seize life and enjoy themselves.

Win brownie points by doing a Chad thing of trying to build your friends up because it gets you off, like hooking the awkward fighter up with that fat-chested redhead or working through the Sorceress's parental issues so she comes to terms with them.

>>53648637
In that case, IWD2 would be the point of comparison.

IWD2 was shit. Worst Infinity Engine game bar none.

>>53648552
This.

>>53649509
Christian meme Loki is Snorri's fucking fanfiction anyway.

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>>53649651
Sounds more Neutral Good to me. For the sake of comparison, Pathfinder's CG gods include an ascended alcoholic, a space alien worshiped by hippies, and pic related but with angel wings and covered tits.

>>53649759
>and pic related but with angel wings and covered tits.

Paizo could've been onto something if they let Milani let her fat pair of chest knockers free.

>>53649769

>Milani fights against oppression
>Realizes that to fight against it harder, she needs to stop oppressing herself
>Goes braless and shows off her chest because her bra was oppressing her tits

Well, anon... you might be on to something

>>53648021
>Reading Irongfang Invasion OP.
>Bad guys throw men, monsters and equipment on par with final showdowns from Peter Jackson's movies at a dinky little town that realistically would be direly threatened by maybe 50 thugs with swords.

For fuck's sake, Paizo, your ability to scale adventures to the setting is getting actively worse.

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>>53649792
You don't need a bra when you're a goddess.

>>53649802
Paizo is staffed by fat, historically-ignorant thirty-somethings in the West Coast Liberal Bubble, I don't think they understand how Medieval or even Renaissance warfare was done.

Hell, you wouldn't even need 50 thugs, could be like 20 well-armed dudes with chainmail and shields.

>>53649587
I'll write an app this week. What are her preferences?

>>53649824
Good thing Golarion is Medieval or even Renaissance then.

>>53649840
Cute dresses, nobility?

>>53649842
YOU DON'T THROW AN ARMY AT A 100 DUDE VILLAGE.

>>53649842
>Good thing Golarion is Medieval or even Renaissance then.
Anon 1600 german podunk villages with maybe 150 people would've been appropriately threatened by ten dudes in chainmail and carrying maces, one of whom has a nice little crest on his cap.

>>53649849
Literally why not?

People in Pathfinder don't get fatigued from fighting. If you have the forces to mow down through a village why NOT do it?

>>53649881
>If you have the forces to mow down through a village why NOT do it?
Are you retarded?
1. you don't need that many people to mow through a village
2. why do you want to kill everyone in a village when they're the ones planting the crops you're collecting taxes from come next autumn?

>>53649840
Bully dom who has a better figure than her?

>>53649842
Golarion is mishmash of cultures incompatible from viewpoints of chronology, geography (both geographical relations of their RL prototypes and geography of Golarion itself), and common sense, and you don't get to justify an example of stupid worldbuilding by bringing an example of even stupider worldbuilding.

>>53649871
>Anon 1600 german podunk villages with maybe 150 people would've been appropriately threatened by ten dudes in chainmail and carrying maces, one of whom has a nice little crest on his cap.

I've read Primary Source accounts of Roman villages being bullied by a single fucking Legionnaire.

>>53649911
Those were usually centurions to be fair which is more like being bullied by a colonel of the army.

>>53649891
>1. you don't need that many people to mow through a village
And?
>2. why do you want to kill everyone in a village when they're the ones planting the crops you're collecting taxes from come next autumn?
Because Hobgoblin's think human's are disgusting/tasty/whatever?

You want to install your own population there?

You want to show thee rest of the world your not fucking around and total annihilation is a good way to do that?

You're just fucking mean?

So, how can one play a TN character who kills people for money?

>>53649926
You can't? Murder is an evil act.

>>53649881
>If you have the forces to mow down through a village why NOT do it?

Why focus all your forces on one village when you can spread your tendrils and focus on twenty villages? This is how armies back in the day worked.

Hell, wouldn't that have been fun, for the AP? You're having this festival and then a mounted force of assholes ride up and demand food, silver and maybe a pretty girl or two. Party fights them, party wins, and then they realize who the fighting force was for and the village evacuates before retribution.

>>53649926
Bounty hunter or mercenary.

>>53649924
>And?
So it's stupid? Committing troops here means less troops elsewhere you idiot.

>Because Hobgoblin's think human's are disgusting/tasty/whatever?
But that's not what happened.

>You want to install your own population there?
Then you conquer the place and enslave, drive out, or butcher them later, you don't sent hundreds of crack troops to deal with fewer dirtfarmers.

>You want to show thee rest of the world your not fucking around and total annihilation is a good way to do that?
Ah YES you annhilated 100 commoners with three times as many soldiers you sure showed me damn I am scared

>You're just fucking mean?
It's not Evil it's Chaotic Stupid Evil.

>>53649849
Men or women? Age?

>>53649920
The Primary Source was a letter to the local garrison's centurion, the Legionnaire enjoyed drinking and would raise hell in the town when he was drunk.

>>53649892
Why isn't Big Slut bullying Little Slut, then?

>>53649974
Gloriana is too nice and dumb

>>53649974
Because Gloriana is literally stupid and Lawful Good.

What she needs is an aggressively full-figured woman that enjoys lording her large breasts and ample hips over the Cashmere, only to realize those things are a target when the monsters come out to breed her.

>>53649924
The AP in question ("Assault on Longshadow" adventure, specifically) does not portray massive commitment of CR 6-12 threats (including a planar gate allowing to deploy effectively unlimited amount of hobgoblin mooks) to a small town as ludicrous overkill, and while it is clear that without PCs the town is fucked, defense do not collapse immediately without them, in fact, the party is supposed to make a raid on the enemy headquarters in the midst of battle, instead of handling almost everything by themselves.

>>53649951
To play devil's avocado a bit, Vikings and Raiders didn't have that much of an issue with annihilating an entire village.

They'd only do it if they wanted to mask their movements or the village was particularly cuntish, like what would happen in Ironfang Invasion.

>>53649974
>>53649997
>tfw an aggressive full figured woman bullying me with her sluttiness is my fetish

stop this.

>>53649951
>Committing troops here means less troops elsewhere you idiot.
But they obviously don't want troops elsewhere.
>Then you conquer the place and enslave, drive out, or butcher them later, you don't sent hundreds of crack troops to deal with fewer dirtfarmers.
You do in a setting with Fireball and monsters in the wilderness.

20 dudes with swords in shields in a fantasy setting isn't a fucking threat. It's the butt of a bad joke and some easy EXP for a burgeoning group of murder hobos to snack on. That's the reality of the way the worlds in pathfinder work. Don't like it? Play Song of Swords.
>Ah YES you annhilated 100 commoners with three times as many soldiers you sure showed me damn I am scared
Eh. Give it time.
>Party fights them, party wins
This is precisely why you send hundreds of crack troops to destroy one village. To stop shit like this from happening.

>>53649892
Why not somebody who has even less assets than Cashmere, constantly bullying her by groping her and telling her that she's a horny little slut who'd hike up her skirts for any man who paid her a compliment?

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>>53650002
YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A HISTORICALLY ACCURATE AND MECHANICALLY INTERESTING WAY TO PORTRAY THE BEGINNING OF IRONFANG INVASION?

INSTEAD OF A WHOLE FUCKING ARMY, JUST HAVE LIKE 20 MOUNTED LEVEL 7 GUYS SHOW UP AND DEMAND THEIR STUFF.

YOU THINK A BAND OF LEVEL 1 ADVENTURERS WILL HAVE AN EASY TIME KILLING LEVEL 7s?

>>53650037
>historically accurate
>pathfinder

You're playing the wrong game steve.

>>53650013
Yeah but those are raiders. People who actually annhilated villages include Huns, Scythians, and Mongols - but that's not really what's happening here, because in these cases they're on the move and the village is literally just in the way.

>>53650020
>20 dudes with swords in shields in a fantasy setting isn't a fucking threat
Dude yes it is, a 100 man village in pathfinder is lucky to have an Adept 1 preaching for them. 20 Fighter 2 in good gear will slaughter the commoners.

>Eh. Give it time.
Why am I supposed to be threatened by people who need to actually try in order to kill peasants? Fucking shit Cloudkill does the job in seconds.

>This is precisely why you send hundreds of crack troops to destroy one village. To stop shit like this from happening.
They're not even crack though, because if it was just 6 level 12 Mounted Royal Archers that would've been 'crack' troops. It's like hundreds of literal levy peasants.

>>53650037
>Histroically Accurate
>Golarion
Golarion is not Earth. It does not have Earth cultures. There is precisely zero reason why their customs and methods should align with those of whatever period you think they should align with. In short
>>53650053

>>53650067
>in short, I defend shit writing because LOL ITS NOT REAL :ddddd

>>53649997
>mfw i was playing this character already
>mfw it was in a game with wist

>>53650067
>it's not real, there's absolutely no reason why fighters shouldn't poop plastic explosives

>>53650037
>>53650061
Question, isn't the reason the *entire* army was invading that podunk little village was because it happened to be located next to a chokepoint bridge that they needed to cross over?

>>53650031
Make it a trap who also loves cute dresses

>>53650002
>(including a planar gate allowing to deploy effectively unlimited amount of hobgoblin mooks)
Okay now that's fucking retarded.

I thought this was just about a large hobgoblin army destroying a village while they were on the march.

If they have planar gates why don't they just port the army straight into the capital or near the capital?

>>53650061
>but that's not really what's happening here, because in these cases they're on the move and the village is literally just in the way.

>>53650104

Even if the village was in the way, scouting parties ahead of the army were the ones who'd burn the village and slaughter the townsfolk.

Scouting parties, like 20-50 dudes.

>>53650067
>dude having THOUSANDS of CR 6s converging on a shitfarming village is not overkill
>it's reasonable that level 1 commoners with quarterstaves can stave them off

>>53650104
But they could literally go "fuck off" and the villages would, well, fuck off, and if they didn't a single dude would've torched the place.

>ITT: People can't understand why Paizo neither understand history or military tactics

>>53650113
>dude having THOUSANDS of CR 6s converging on a shitfarming village is not overkill
>it's reasonable that level 1 commoners with quarterstaves can stave them off
And why would hobogbolins care about overkill. There is no reason NOT to commit overkill. Your army was moving through the area anyway.
>it's reasonable that level 1 commoners with quarterstaves can stave them off
Who cares what's reasonable for them to stave off? It's war.

>>53650053
I, personally, am not asking for historical accuracy.

I'd just like to be able to play adventures on the scale that is actually well below the heroic fantasy standards, such as, in this particular case, an adventure featuring a minor (in the grand scheme of Golarion) invasion by monster races without taking characters to level 15 where the game becomes tiresome due to excess of mechanical complexity; or without trying to figure out how all the crazy high-level shit would interact with each other if bad guys decide to apply their abilities intelligently or otherwise deviate from the script.

>>53650134
>And why would hobogbolins care about overkill

Hobgoblins are the race so autistic about logistics and order, they won't even let you have sex with someone unless you'd produce genetically favorable offspring.

These are not Orcs.

>>53650137
You're playing the wrong game.

>>53650137
Then play 5e or play an E6/E8 game.

>>53650134
Hobgoblins are not goblins you dumb cunt they're intelligent, war-ready goblins.

>There is no reason NOT to commit overkill. Your army was moving through the area anyway
*surrounds village*
Good job your army is now stuck in territory they JUST scorched with limited rations and no forage. Fucking idiot.

>>53650148
That doesn't really answer the question about why they would care about overkill.
>Good job your army is now stuck in territory they JUST scorched with limited rations and no forage.
Not a problem with create food and water being a thing and the numerous magical items that provide infinite food and water.

>>53650199
>Not a problem with create food and water being a thing and the numerous magical items that provide infinite food and water.
How much create food and water items do you have in that army? What about threats like Cloudkill, Fireball, or a Druid's weather control? What about rogues in general stealing your items?
It doesn't even matter if you have infinite rations you're now trapped on top of everything else.

>>53650220
Magic must defeat magic!

>>53650199
>Not a problem with create food and water being a thing
You're an idiot.

>>53650152
>If you don't want to eat shit, you're playing the wrong game

Okay.

>>53650159
>Then play 5e or play an E6/E8 game.

5E is shit. E6/E8 can do that but will start failing when it comes to adventures actually worthy of fantasy superheroes.

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>>53650236
>E6 AND E8 WON'T BE FANTASY SUPERHEROES
>AFTER YOU JUST WENT ON ABOUT HOW YOU DON'T WANT FANTASY SUPERHEROES

>>53650236
> but will start failing when it comes to adventures actually worthy of fantasy superheroes.
So you want to have your cake and eat it too?

>>53650265
What he wants is to be an overpowered isekai character.

And you know what, I do too. But in real life not online.

>>53650220
>What about threats like Cloudkill, Fireball, or a Druid's weather control? What about rogues in general stealing your items?
That's what other spellcasters and guards are for.
>trapped
If you can Planar Gate thousands of hobgoblins in somehow you can planar gate them back out.

But you WON'T be trapped because you're razing everything in your path.

>>53650282
Someday I will be drunk and bored enough to run my SAO based oneshot where I make everyone play path of war characters

Thinking of playing a wood elf shaman for my first PF character how is the class overall?

>>53650308
strong

>>53650292
>That's what other spellcasters and guards are for.
And what happens when the enemy shows up with an army as strong as you but not in a tactically retarded position and formation due to 'razing everything in your path'?

>But you WON'T be trapped because you're razing everything in your path.
ONLY when you can beat them, the point is that anyone with a lick of military sense doesn't do overkill because it is 1. a waste of resources and 2. fucking RISKY

>>53648637
I WANNA FUCK THAT HALFLING

>>53650319
>tactically retarded position and formation due to 'razing everything in your path'?
>implying these are mutually exclusive.
But if you do. Just teleport back out since these hobgoblins can teleport in.

>>53650349
>But if you do. Just teleport back out since these hobgoblins can teleport in.
Dimension lock.

>>53650349
>implying these are mutually exclusive
Formations made to raze shit are meant to cover as much territory as possible while not allowing people inside to escape. Formations made to face armies are meant to be in seperate chunks that make up a whole and are meant to entrap and block, not cage.

>>53650356
Kill the wizard before they cast it while protecting your own. They'd also have to get right in the thick of your fucking army to do it.

>>53650396
>They'd also have to get right in the thick of your fucking army to do it.
Overland Flight, Greater Invisibility, Mind Blank yo. Just admit you're fucking retarded, there's a reason in real life armies didn't just swarm places they had no need to.

>>53650431
>Overland Flight, Greater Invisibility, Mind Blank yo.
You have several other hobgoblin wizards to counter all of those tactics. Just admit you want low fantasy bullshit and the scenario is fine.
>, there's a reason in real life armies didn't just swarm places they had no need to
Because we're totally talking about real life.

>>53650443
>Just admit you want low fantasy bullshit and the scenario is fine
I'm not the faggot you were talking to you dumb cunt, the scenario isn't fine because it doesn't make sense it feels like you get your fucking ideals of war straight from /pol/ and the Pentagon DUDE JUST FIRE MISSILES LMAO.

>You have several other hobgoblin wizards to counter all of those tactics
Who are too busy wasting their daily Fireballs on shitcovered peasants to notice the guy with scrolls of dimension lock approaching.

>because we're totally talking about real life
>dude it ain't real life why can't my fighter turn into a giant walking penis with tits for legs

This argument might be retarded, I still like it because it's better than the usual subjects.

>>53650552
Something something smugelf
Something something aaaaaa
Something something t. Vult
Something something LOGS
Something something fuck anime
Something something Kineticist is OP

>>53650552
When will we get back to talking about who should fuck who? Gettin' real tired of this shit about APs.

>>53650318
How does it play?

Are there any Arcanist archetypes better than Magaambyan Initiate?

>>53650595
Like a witch

>>53650571
Let's go with a subject closer to heart.

Why can't I fucking say "wanna play a gnoll" without some autist sperging about furries or their own canon interpretation of the race (which happens to be a metaphor for everything they should hate)?

What's this deal with people unable to be imaginatively flexible and also so pigheaded in stereotypes I'm sure they never even met?

Legit questions.

>>53650571
WHO DID HE USE THE DOSES FOR?

>>53650609
Fuck off Rory

>>53650609
I liked gnolls more than orcs and goblinoids before I came here. Now they've been supplanted by hobgoblins and bugbears. I think the thread just breeds intolerance of the hyena people.

>>53650571
Cashmere needs to release some new logs

>>53650571
Let me just grab my ass real quick and play fill in the blanks with the usual shitposts...

>What app from JttW has the nicest feet?

ALTERNATIVELY, we could talk about whatever we want to see from the next set of Paizo releases and place bets on how many shitty Alchemist archetypes there will be out something. Or discuss and collaborate on finding errors and shit in Avowed so Forrest can hurry up and get a full release already.

>>53650609
Because you're obnoxious about putting them in a setting where they don't belong now fuck off

Are there any third party AP's that are actually good? Google results generally give stuff that is "epic old school" full of hex crawls and random encounter tables, alongside big warnings about TPK's but encounters for parties that consist of two zombies.

Are there any AP's made for parties where people are smart enough to use basic optimization?

>>53650677
I dunno about feet but I know who has the nicest armpits and the fluffiest tail.

>>53650686
>unironically playing APs

>>53650565
It's been a while since we had a lelf too.

>>53650692

The Paizo ones are uniformly shit, that's why I'm asking if there are any worthwhile 3PP adventures that aren't poorly constructed.

>>53650679
>What's this deal with people unable to be imaginatively flexible
>you

>>53650686
Didn't DSP put out an AP for it's Third Dawn setting? I heard good things about Way of the Wicked but I wasn't impressed with what I read and there is some really cancerous shit in there.
>>53650730
I thought Iron Gods was supposed to be good.

>>53650740
>imaginatively flexible
Challenging the DM on his rulings of his own homebrew setting is not demonstrating flexibility, it's demonstrating pigheadedness because of a failure to recognize that what the DM says, goes.

>>53650656
Is this anything that could be fixed with jorts and plasma kukris

>>53650759
What are you even talking about?

>>53650758

Iron Gods being good is a meme. Like all Paizo AP's it insist on a shitty sub system (tech rules) which are largely garbage. Then the combat balanced is totally fucked until everyone pays the adamantine tax, after which point the enemies just become normal mooks.

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>>53648021

Do you suppose there will be a place for high tech variants of archaic weapons in Starfinder? I mean, we already have laser swords essentially so I don't see why not? That and remember there is a faction of eco terrorist who have a bio-mechanical tree ship makes me wonder how could it would be to have semi-living weapons as something you can acquire

>>53650803
>the adamantine tax
>tfw I made the mistake of playing a TWF character
>I have nothing to my name but my weapons and a catsuit that got put on me as a joke
>Only way for me to be relevant is if I am fully buffed up

Does either of the troves have the Legendary Assassins pdf?

>>53650857
>inb4 spacebows are the best weapons in the game because you add STR to ranged damage

>>53650803
Iron gods is really fun though.

>>53650872
I'm going to say that's retarded and Paizo doesn't understand the concept of SCIENCE-fiction

And it never pretended to anyway, it's just fucking fantasy in space after all

But I'd also say

I am TUROK

>>53650608
But more capable in being close to enemies?

Why does pathfinder attract degenerates?

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>>53650872

How would you offset this?

>>53650968
Well you're here so clearly you're a degenerate as well. Don't hide, we quit enjoy our kinks here :D

I'm building a Chloromancer as per Cults homebrew.

Do I go subby heal mode? Chuuni damage mode, or as an ara ara dominatrix de buffer?

>>53651089
Is this for PLD?

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>>53651089
This is your model, your gold standard, your inspiration.

>>53650629
He snorted them just for the thrill.

He's such a dork he imbibed Bachelor's Snuff just so he can feel like he's preparing for hot cumming inside sex. It's like buying a pack of condoms just so you can put one on and jerk off into it.

>>53651130
The problem with that analogy is you know Branwen would take that filled condom and slurp the contents down.

>>53651089
>Do I go subby heal mode? Chuuni damage mode, or as an ara ara dominatrix de buffer?

You should make a dominating power sub that bullies men into having their way with her through sheer rage and frustration.

>>53651149
Or, you know, you could just make a character concept that doesn't involve sexual characteristics.

>>53651130
What a fucking loser, damn. Four fine honeys and he couldn't get his Satanic dick wet? I thought he had CHA!

>>53651147
I think we're seriously overplaying how much of a slut Branwen is.

>>53651158
I'm 80% sure he's been hitting on Branwen and Antoinette, Franze doesn't seem like the type you'd hit on and Viviana - huh, wasn't Viviana the one he paired up with in the Session 0?

>>53651147
Wait, I thought the Elf was the slut. Which one is it? Or is Branwen the elf?

What's the rundown of the male apps to ensoulment?

>>53651178
They're both sluts.

>>53651208
Just like the male apps to other games.

Not worth mentioning.

>>53651208
Strictly inferior to most of the female apps

>>53651157
He was using sexual terms and I gave him a sexual idea. If he asked a better question than I would've given him a better answer.

Input = Output

>>53651247
>>53651243
Anything that makes them feel inferior, besides art choice?

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Trying to create a female Catfolk Paladin that'll be a combat medic. Anyone have pics that could somewhat fit that bill?

Also, what sort of name should I give her?

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>>53651257
Literally google "FFXIV Miqo'te Healer Art"

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/goggles-sniper-goggles/

Are Sniper Goggles overpowered? My instinct is that they're really goddamn good, but my googling doesn't seem to turn up anyone questioning or bitching about them. For the lazy -

>The wearer of these goggles can make ranged sneak attacks from any distance instead of the normal 30 feet. When making ranged sneak attacks within 30 feet, the wearer gains a +2 circumstance bonus on each sneak attack damage die.

tldr;

>+2 circumstance bonus on each sneak attack damage die

That's basically adding your level to your damage whenever you sneak attack, assuming you're within 30 feet. The ability to sneak attack from any range feels secondary to this. Is the limiting factor of these supposed to be, "well, you have to use a ranged weapon..." or "well, you're playing a rogue and rogues suck"? These goggles feel pretty OP. Am I wrong?

>>53651257
>Also, what sort of name should I give her?

Something that fits the personality, the art and the culture.

>>53651105
NPC

>>53651284
yeah shit's good

>>53651284
>Are Sniper Goggles overpowered?

Not really? By the time you reach the level you can buy them you're overpowered already. They work real good with Slayer (Sniper) though.

>>53651177
>not wanting a sexy, domineering, prim Nazi domme to step on you and force you to pleasure her

I don't even recognize you anymore, Anon. What happened?

>Broodie's new app

Goddamn that's a waifu and a half.

Is it worth it to take Deadly Agility on a Vigilante, or is Lethal Grace a better option?

>>53651284
>making ranged Sneak Attack remotely functional
>paying obscene amounts of money to get a bonus when in short range
>"overpowered"

not really

>>53651226
Who have they fucked? You can't be a slut if you never fuck nobody

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>>53651324
Read the filename.

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>>53651281
>FFXIV Miqo'te Healer Art

Found the next best thing since she's still a Paladin. Danke!
>>53651292

Mathematician answer is mathematician. I'll look for a nice that'll fit the personality of a playful caring Catfolk then.

>>53651327
Lethal Grace is better IF you have like, at least 14 strength to back it up.

>>53651284
>an item that makes you barely functional
>OP PLEAS NERF!!!
ebin

>>53651324
>can't make the same time as broodie
ffffff

>>53651340
I don't get it

>>53651351
Alright. And is Avenger Vigilante better than Stalker? It does seem that way, given how situational Hidden Strike is.

>>53651340
Fuck off.

>>53651335
>Who have they fucked?

Nobody's said nothing, either they're holding out or keeping it private.

>>53651373
Both are good, personally I think Avenger is better

See if you can use the Legendary Vigilantes / LV:V material to make shit even better.

>>53651379
Then it can't be worth talking about. You really think those attention whores wouldn't be broadcasting that shit as hard as possible?

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In /pgg/'s expert opinion, is 10 Int, 7 Wisdom, or 8 Int, 8 Wisdom a better choice? Assume Cha-to-Will saves.

>>53651411
Neither is great, -2 on your perception will suck

>>53651411
8 and 8

>>53650859
Never play a mesmerist in Iron Gods

>>53651411
>or 8 Int, 8 Wisdom a better choice?

You know that would make you a dumbie, right?

>>53651359
>You will never see the happy reunion of Aurelia and her Husbando

IT HURTS

at least its unlikely that Broodie will get in with their shit availability.

>>53651386
Alright, will do. Thanks!

>>53651433
>three potential tieflings who could be Aurelia's reincarnated husband

I need it

I need it so bad

>>53650867
I'm asking this because the usercloud file has been removed, so it's the trove or nothing.

>>53651450
Any reincarnation will be his dog instead and you know it.

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How customizable is a Mechanic's robo-buddy going to be? I want to play a character with severe agoraphobia who uses their robot for the vast majority of interactions outside of the ship.

>>53651467
>>53651340
what is this meme?

>>53651450
Literally anyone can be a reincarnation of a nigga. It could be an elf woman!

>>53651470
>wanting to be a hikki-neet

>>53651433
>>53651450
aaaaaa i want an unrequited love for aurelia

>>53651479
A concept's a concept, don't knock it if you ain't gonna rock it.

>>53651472
However, the fact that she apparently was an Azata and is now an Azata Blooded Aasimar means that her love was likely reincarnated as a Devil-Blooded Tiefling

Which we have none of

I'M SAYING THE SLOT IS OPEN

Okay, so we know what STRfag and DEXfag body types look like. But what about a Quality build? Would that be a trim, aesthetically pleasing body that isn't too bulky or slim?

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>>53651421
The -2 hurts my soul, though I do like my skill points.

>>53651431
Well yea, I've already resigned myself to knowing this character would be a bit thick in the head. I guess I could go 10 Int/8 Wis instead, but then I'd have to drop down to 10 Con.

>>53651488
I'll fill your slot!

What's your Discord?

>>53651509
Go with 10 wis/8 int instead.

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>>53651508
You tell me.

>>53651488
>not going human and discretely dumping a feat on racial heritage after assessing waifu potential

>>53651509
who is this for?

>>53651525
>take extra traits to get reborn (devil) after you get in

Now thats a fiendish ploy

>>53651540
kys

>>53651324
It's literally an NPC with a backstory ripped off of Aquarion wholesale. I don't get the hype at all.

>>53651550
>NPC
Rude

>>53651550
YOU'RE an NPC, bully.

>>53651550
Cute is all you need. She also has high potential for interesting character dynamics.

>>53651561
>>53651562
>one-note motivation
>NO PHILOSOPHY
Literally a quirky NPC the REAL main characters visit on their way to [plot coupon] with maybe a sidequest to reunite her with her lost lover.

>>53651550
Solid characterization laid out, seems like they would be fun in a party, and being the champion of LOVE is very cute.

>>53651550
>Argentum does a blatant ripoff
>Thread hates it
>Broodie does a blatant ripoff
>Thread declares it new Waifu

:2bornot2b:

>>53651579
All I need is depth. That's where the real cute lies.

Rinta-Sibyl-Aurelia Love and Harmony Dream Team when??

>>53651584
What is this Philosophy meme

Characters don't have to have a philosophy for Flower Court, they have to REPRESENT something. Aurelia represents Love, in a very straightforward way.

>>53651607
More obscure ripoff, the fact that they didn't straight up use a picture of WHAT they're ripping off also helps.

>>53651620
Rinta and Aurelia are strictly incompatible.

>>53651620
You need Ceraphine in there as the cool, aloof guardian of the group, who try to hook her up with an assortment of men.

>>53651637
Explain why you think that?

>>53651517
I thought you had to have low Wisdom if you were pumping Cha. Was I lied to?

>>53651532
Just a simple Unchained Monk anon. Next I have to figure out whether or not I want to feat into having Fool's Errand and/or Leadership or not, since that would eat up all but one of my level feats.

>>53651650
Schedule.

>>53651630
She has yet to actually say what she represents. It's not a complete app.

>>53651607
Though I agree with the above guy that it's at least not a completely wholesale ripoff complete with the same character art, so it manages to be better than that.

>>53651659
Shit.

Quick someone collapse Broodie's other games so we can get them and Wist in the same game.

What if you just put CMB in the fucking garbage like the clutter it is and divvy the combat maneuvers into skill uses of Athletics (Climb+Swim merge) and Sleight of Hand?

And kill ALL the AoOs for attempting without feats, fuck you for trying to pidgeonhole the diverse universal combat options everyone should be able to do into useless garbage for 99% of combatants.

There, I just made skills better, simplified the system and opened the door for more varied combat, all at once. The only adaptation needed is something anyone who's not a massive cunt can already see, that Fighters should have more skill points. Not by spending valuable Weapon Trainings available at mid levels, right fucking now and always.

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How do you make a GOOD male character? Or rather, a fun one?

Female characters are easy mode. You're a plebian if your Male/Female ratio is more than 50/50

>>53651642
I would not be mad at all if the party was 6 girls sitting around to try on dresses, punishing evil with the power of love, and having weekly guy troubles with guest stars.

>>53651686
Make a good female character
Now make them male
easy

>>53651675
>yet to say what she represents.

" I will represent love to all the people of Lote, and when I find my love of twelve-thousand years at last, all will know that love is eternal, and not even death can break its hold."

?

>>53651642
But she's a cruel woman! Not hopeful or cute but vicious and sultry!

>>53651658
>Was I lied to?
You bet. The wise trickster is a classic archetype, anon. They had to not only be wise, but clever enough to charm people.

>>53651686
The problem is that people make player surrogates when most people are boring. They need to start making guys they want to fuck.

>>53651700
It's not filled out properly.

>>53651711
>wise trickster

I am not going for that at all, so I guess my question still stands.

>>53651686
I just play very unmasculine men/boys, all the time, and pray the pattern goes unnoticed by my group.

>>53651728
>Its not filled out properly

Does it matter? If you read it you know everything you need to know about the character

>>53651607
>>53651550
>>53651324

It's Priscilla all over again, the same character dynamic with a team of celebrity hanger-ons over-shilling them in the thread. Only rather than being surprisingly well written to justify the waifu personality and philosophy of love, this only has a nonsensical backstory apparently ripped from an anime.

Alright, I'm going to make an Avenger Vigilante quality estoc build.

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>>53651686
>>53651717
>>53651736
Sounds like a personal problem, I've yet to have trouble making male characters and I think it has to do with the unhealthy number of trashy romance novels I read.

>>53651763
Let me have my fun. Broodie isn't getting in on that schedule anyways.

>>53651763
Eh, as someone that watched Aquarion, it definitely has a fair number rip-off elements from it, but its got a few original additions.

Hell, I don't think it really matters either way if a character's 'ripped' from an anime anyways, as long as they're fun in play. Ya know?

But like >>53651793 says Broodie isn't getting in on that ass schedule, lets just have fun with it.

>>53651686
>How do you make a GOOD male character?

Well, the answer's quite simple don't you think? Good art, good concept and a backstory that shows them off as competent yet vulnerable. Nobody wants a prettyboy but nobody wants Stoic McMan either. Show us that those tear ducts can still be used.

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>mfw I like when big, strong guys act dominant towards my characters up to violating them
>mfw people I play with are beta cucks who can't take a clue from a female character acting very submissive

>>53651686
>GOOD male character?
>Or rather, a fun one?

Entirely subjective, because basically ALL of my characters are male and I've enjoyed them. Most of the characters I make are male, and despite usually just being frameworks, end up with enough personality that I look forward to finally getting to play them. This is in spite of someone in here yelling that one of the ones I'm playing now would be "improved if they were a woman instead", something that still has yet to be explained.

>>53651686
I'm amazed at how fucking limpid most /pfg/ male apps are

WHERE'S MY HOT BLOODED FIGHTERMANS

Remember when Ensoulment was the hotly anticipated husbando game?

>>53651867
We thought we were safe, Broodie's app was shit, the age of Waifu seemed to be over.

But then they struck back. Its all waifu now anon

ITS ALL WAIFU NOW.

>>53651860
I'm guessing people are fucking scared of going too ham, because then the thread will EXPLODE into daddyposting and shit

>>53651848
And how many of those have gotten into games?

>>53651842
Is there a single sexually aggressive male meme character?

>>53651867
Alexander, Giancarlo, Matheo, and Zachareal GOGOGOGOGOGO!

>>53651879
Of the games I've applied to seriously? I've got a 100% success rate.

>>53651894
People keep forgetting Varius. His app wasn't exciting, but it was well written and he is super cute.

>>53651842
>mfw people I play with are beta cucks who can't take a clue from a female character acting very submissive

They don't know you're fine with them bending you over a table and using you like the eager hole you are, because surprise surprise most people who try to do that will get slapped down HARD by the party and wind up in a Greentext story somewhere.

Honestly? PM one of them and say you're giving them the greenlight to fondle, fuck or otherwise use your woman however they want.

>>53651892
Rory.

>>53651860
>I'm amazed at how fucking limpid most /pfg/ male apps are

Sleep, Slow and Disk are the only three I know that consistently make hot-blooded men, and all three of them don't seem too keen on joining the recent campaigns.

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>>53651860
Cool Fighters when

>>53651876
>Age of worms
>Age of waifus
Who's the waifu god?

>>53651867
I was going to make a young and hot blooded man with strong ideals but ended up making a female.
>>53651894
None of them are husband material save Matheo who is already in love.

>>53651911
>Rory
Fuck.

>>53651911
>PM one of them
That defeats the purpose. The guy is supposed to take initiative.

>>53651842
Ever consider that maybe it's less that they're betas and more that they're just not that into you?

>>53651942
He's not wrong...

>>53651939
>Alexander
>Not husband material

He's a dorky farm boy who wants to be a hero! That's husband material in my books!

>>53651964
That's why fuck. Rory is the pinnacle of male sex here. Fuck.

>always make spergy dudes focused on their jobs in a gambit to avoid getting sexualized
>the thread is freaking out about lack of sexual male characters

feels good

>>53651911
>sleep slow and disk

None of them make hot-blooded characters, infact Sleep and Slow are both guilty of NOT hotblooded characters

>>53651977
The pinnacle of MEME male sex.

Non-memes characters are plenty sexually forward. But because they're not memes they're not known in the thread.

>>53651975
>dorky

anon.. He's more retarded than dorky.

>>53649181
Neutral Evil, yes. The patron god of assassins is Neutral Evil.

>>53651975
He might be husband material to you, but not to me. He's an idiot with a pretentious sword.

>>53651956
>The guy is supposed to take initiative.

The guy is supposed to take initiative and rape or molest another PC. Listen to yourself.

>>53651911
Disk is apping to ensoulment with Derrin though? The 12 page paladin?
She's a chick though, a "one-of-the-boys" type of chick but still a chick.

I really wanted to see more male apps out of Protag. He seemed to understand the emotional-depth-without-melodrama necessary to make a male character that I can both respect and find interesting. And Kent likely would have been extremely sexually aggressive. But then he had to go and try his hand at waifus, then at DMing.

>>53652021
what

>>53651860
I don't like making martials, so I seldom make fightermans. When I do make martials or fighty casters, they tend to be merfolk because I'm a powergaming memelord, and I just can't for the life of me find good inspiration or images for a bloke there.

I did make a fightyman for JttW, but I had to compromise on his picture.

>>53652039
The anon is expressing their frustration in her male party members never trying to have their way with her character, even though she acts "super subby."

Nobody's taking the initiative because there's a huge risk they're reading her wrong and they just tried to rape a character that didn't really have any interest in sex. I mean holy shit, listen to the excuse they'd give, "She was asking for it." Where else have you heard that before?

>>53651996
Share your studs with us

>>53652019
He's a dork with a talking sword! Bitches love dorks with talking swords

>>53651939
>already in love

Yeah, because nobody ever gets cucked in those stories

>>53652116
To be fair, both the 'love' characters of Matheo and Aurelia make sense to already be in love so they can represent love as a symbol.

>>53652116
Isn't he in love with a Nymph? Those things are the very definition of mercurial.

>>53651977
>Ywn be knotted by Rory
Why live

>>53652173
Please, Rory is an easy needy slut, just PM him and you'll get that knot in you in no time.

>>53652137
>Love Knight gets chucked
>becomes the Alcoholism Knight

I kinda want this...

>>53652194
>Wanting others to suffer
I hope you get smited

>>53652173
Rory's player is a complete and utter slut, PM them and you'll get it.

>>53652200
Sometimes you need the bad time to know when it's a really good time.

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Oh, shoot. I didn't think things through. Scythe is a shitty weapon, but I like the aesthetics of the picture I chose.

>>53652137
I actually want an unrequited love situation with Matheo if I get in with him.

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>>53652132
>post yfw when Tiefling guy is discovered plowing nymph girl

>>53652238
Y-YAMEERROOO

>>53652234
Don't you mean a Courtly Love scenario?

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>>53652238

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>>53652238
>post yfw Matheo and Aurelia find comfort in eachother's arms.

>>53652223
Scythe is actually a good weapon; it has decent damage, two-handed, trip ability, and its crit multiplier is insane. The only problem is the fact that its crit multiplier is hiding behind a crit threat on only 20.

>>53652223
>scythe is crit
>he doesn't know about all day crits

>>53652210
But how does someone who believes so fervently in the overwhelming power of Love reconcile such loss?

>>53652190
>>53652210
But I want him to PM ME!

>>53652300
I suppose, but I'm making a Vigilante with that. I mean, I could change it to a Slayer, but that'd lose out on some of the flavour.

>>53652300
Butterfly sting is a thing

>>53652315
By falling in love with someone who has lost just as equally!

>>53652261
Yes. Yes I do, in a way.

>>53652234
Which app is yours, Unwist?

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>>53652296

>>53652334
I had no idea that was a thing. That's actually pretty cool.

>>53652329
I don't see why you'd bother changing to slayer for this. Vigilante is, frankly, fun, and works well as a martial character. Does slayer get some sort of crit fishing thing that makes it better for this than Vigilante?

>>53652359
That's a secret.

>>53652385
Just make sure you have a waifu to give you those crits.

>>53652343
>They fall for each other
>unrequited Anon remains unrequited

Pottery

How do I write a level 10 gestalt character? I've never gone that high. Should I have previous adventures?

>>53652443
>How do I write a level 10 gestalt character?

You're either an extremely seasoned professional or the child of some exceptionally powerful being. Level 10 is the point you reach where simple adventuring is above your paygrade, it's the point where people come to you for problems, not you coming to them.

>>53652385
Isn't Slayer better at combat in general?

>>53652443
A lvl 10 has, at a barely minimum Killed dragons and teabag most anything that isn't a god. And then at 10 she's looking at the patheons going "You guys are next once I get a few more levels!"

>>53652443
This guy >>53652464 has it right. Read some of the other apps for some inspiration!

>>53652472
Yes, it's one of the best martial classes available in 1pp and is a class that would work best for the scythe-wielder.

>>53652472
Vigilante gets pounce, but otherwise yes.

>>53652464
Koji is an example of the former. Mira is... Sort of an example of the latter. Take a leaf out of their books

>>53652464
Hmmm, so I could potentially be the skinwalker child of some wolf-god and a person? How could I explain their use of gun magery?

>>53652472
Well, sure, but what are you comparing it to Vigilante for? They do two different things, and while there's one that's better in combat, the other isn't a pushover, and has more social stuff to fall back on.

>>53648237
How about words of power? It really needs an update, but I do like the mechanics a lot.

>>53652499
I'm just worried about pulling my weight in combat, that's all.

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>>53652404
If you tell me, I'll PM you

I need what I think is a 3.5 DnD pdf from Necromancer games, "Bard's Gate". If it's another edition it's fine, I really just need the fluff for the town since it's mentioned in a Pathfinder adventure I'm running but says "Not in this book, sorry!"

>>53652564
god bless the nips

>>53652532
I wouldn't worry too hard. you have a good class, a decent weapon, no reason to be concerned.

>>53651842
Tell me who you are so I can presh your character against a well and viciously plow them

>>53652599
Alright. Well, if you say so, I'll continue work on my Vig.

>>53652573
______No._______

>>53652498
Yes, that is exactly the sort of power we're dealing with at level 10.

>>53652564
Why is this still not scanned