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>>53547016
His torso seems too long.

>>53547016

>How many candles are too many

In a world where light is a cantrip and so many player races have dark vision, one is too much.

>>53547016
It would appear we are tired of triggering racists and are instead triggering virgins.
Unfortunately the two demographics have great overlap.

>>53547016
>race-mixing to produce half-elven rejects
absolutely acceptable

>>53547016
I need encounter ideas for a 4 man 15th level party sent in to stop an undead plague/infestation.

>>53547112
Clerics and paladins

>>53547112

Beholder zombie
Mind flayer zombie
Rakasha Zombie
The PCs are actually the zombies and they are seeing the world through altered zombies eyes.

So you have a dwarven fighter, an elven wizard and a halfling rogue. Where does the variant human fit in?

>>53547016
How come kobold and dragonborn and just any dragonkind not count as dragon (any)? I am worry about my drow wife, but when I look at our kid I see them having my scale and her nose.

>>53547152
Cleric, if we go by the 3.5 Edition iconics.

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>>53547152
>Where does the human fit in?
In the halfling rogue

>>53547230
>In the halfling rogue
Can we not.

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>>53547186
I dunno, that's just how I wanted it.

Speaking of, updates based on recommendations from the last thread. Changed the way the seduction DC is calculated, and made things more advantage/disadvantage thing.

I also changed the Barbarian's Tread the Jeweled Thrones ability to instead grant an additional rage between long rests, to both the barbarian and anyone satisfied by the barbarian due to sex.

>>53547192
That makes sense, something holy-y. I guess a half-elf is more fit for a paladin or bard.

>>53547112
>beholder liches get along with each other and seek to share their new condition with more of their kin
>coven of vampires offer aid, worried the rise of the undead will deprive them of blood
>large numbers of mummy lords awaken at once and war with each other
>the zombie plague corrupts the minds of the infected long before it kills them

>>53547152
the human is the paladin

>>53547267
If you're curious, the 3e iconics were:

- Barbarian: Krusk, male half-orc
- Bard: Gimble, male gnome
- Cleric: Jozan, male human
- Druid: Vadania, female half-elf
- Fighter: Tordek, male dwarf
- Monk: Ember, female human
- Paladin: Alhandra, female human
- Ranger: Soveliss, male elf
- Rogue: Lidda, female halfling
- Sorcerer: Hennet, male human
- Wizard: Mialee, female elf

>>53547152
Ranger.

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>>53547230
Dude, if you're gonna post Lidda, post Best Lidda.

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>>53547152
>not being an edgy warlock stereotype
>not constantly moaning about how short life is
>not writing bad poetry regarding envy for the rest of the party
>not making a pact with fiends for a longer lifespan only to have them shorten it instead
>not turning into the main villain of the campaign

>>53547112
Makeshift Mauler magic card. Look it up. One of my favorite undead beasts. Or Skaabs. I think they even statted those for 5e.

>>53547079
Will losing my virginity help get rid of my racist thoughts?

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>>53547372
c-cute

>>53547392
No it wont despite what the memes say

>>53547312
Mialee really looked the part of her Cha 8.

>>53547392
Yes anon. I can help you.

>>53547247
Need more thing on the sole purpose of reproduction and in possibilities of impregnation of species mixing? I will quest for the god of fertility if need be.

>>53547312
No, that's the 3.5 iconics. 3e had a half-elf bard that got replaced because there were no gnomes on the list.

>>53547392
Unfortunately not. They're a case of comorbidity (correlation, not causation), being two symptoms of being a nerdy white guy.

>>53547016
>How many candles is too many?
Once the number of candles in the room exceeds the number of people in the room, you've got too many candles.

Past 5 candles, candles must be supervised.

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>>53547230
>>53547372
Damn I used to have a good bit of sexual writing for Lidda. Basically she is working as a prostitute in a brothel trying to seduce a human for the group and since Mialee has 7 ranks in Profession (butterface), it's up to Lidda to seduce this merchant to get some info out of her, so I had this long sequence describing the sex and how she was writhing on top of his as she rode his cock. I was 15 when I wrote it, the PHB 2 had just come out like a year ago and it had those new art of Lidda as the thieves guild master and something about the eyeliner just turned me on beyond belief. I was a virgin teenager at that point so I didn't really understand much of how sex worked, but yeah I wrote a good three paragraphs of it, it's kinda cringey but still pretty hot, I blew about a hundred loads to it back in high school. Later on I realized that it was kinda pedophilic if you think about it to have a halfling fucking a human but really I just liked thinking about how even a medium-sized human cock would be way too big for her and would probably hurt her quite a bit, but in an erotic way and she'd have like the hugest orgasm possible. This was before I even knew what a vagina looked like though because I didn't get to actually use internet reliably until I went to college. I still probably have it somewhere on my old hard drive, I'd have to plug it in again but it should still be there. Can't post it here, though, of course.

>>53547112
The party encounters visions of people they cared for, that they left behind to go adventuring with. The visions seem benevolent, and guide the party along the way, hinting at a ritual that will solve the undead problem. Finally, the visions guide the party through the "convergence ritual". If the party completes the ritual, the entire land is consumed in rotting flesh, as the world is turned into a sentient, undead creation.

>>53547247
>The 5e guide to sex
LOL this is a great PDF

>>53547420
>Mialee really looked the part of her Cha 8.

True. She had a great ass though.

>>53547419
Damn it. I am so sick of helping out blacks or asians at my job and thinking "lol fucking niggers" or "fucking chinks" immediately afterward. It drives me nuts

>>53547424
please help

>>53547513
Holy shit is that fucking sad.

>>53547016
What's everyone experience with the Mystic? DMs and Players alike.

Post the most interesting subversion or twist your DM (or you yourself) pulled.

Creative things that completely threw you off balance but brought the game to life.

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>>53547513
Are you >>53547247

I bet you are.

Ain't nothing wrong with liking short stacks anyways.

>>53547606
>LFG

I haven't read least I could do or LFG in forever

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>>53547247
>dragons can impregnate literally anything

>>53547582
I think they have access to too many disciplines and probably get too many resource points too early, otherwise, not bad.

The big problem is that there aren't abilities and resistances, for everything else, against psionics. Counterspell and dispel magic, as well as magic resistance, need psi analogues.

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>>53547606
No, he's a different guy. Not that that can be proven. Such is the threat of anonymity. Still, there are ways to tell, like writing styles.

Also is that Looking For Group? That's Looking For Group. I remember that. Stopped reading it years ago, though...

In any event, I personally am not really attracted to shortstacks. I do like me some drow, though.

Abort thread

>>53547582
I've soft banned them. If the players want them, I'll work with them to fix the many issues, but so far nobody has asked, and I'm not going to do all that work preemptively.

>>53547675
Medical, trauma, or necrotic damage? Because there's rules for all three of those in the PDF above.

How often do you let your players get magic items, from uncommon to rare, specifically? And do you make your own magic items?

>>53547553
Why is it sad? I was just a horny teen.

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>>53547016
>How many candles is too many?
Compare DM's creativity versus players' paranoia.

>>53547713
Just curious, I'm a new player, and I was wondering where I can find a list of magic items. I read that there's a mechanic in the game for crafting magic items based on your level, but I have no idea what is available for say, my level 4 character to craft if I wanted to. Would it just be common items at this point?

>>53547582
It can only be balanced, like most things, by someone with utter understanding of the system, and why it is imbalanced, or else you'll get "-20 points, -2 discipline" retards ruining anything that might make it fun.

>>53547772
I dunno, my players prepare themselves for everything, then procede to rub random statuettes in temples for no apparent reason.

>>53547713
I don't have players but I would probably hand out a magic item per quest once they hit level 2

>>53547646
Dispel Magic and Magic Resistance does work IIRC, as psionics is magic. Though they are not spells so counterspell does not work.

>>53547677
>>53547802
I have not banned them in my game, I have a player with a backup character who is a mystic though. The only thing I have banned is the Nomadic Mind Discipline only because the focus is too much.

>>53547582
Ban Nomadic Mind and is ready to play.
If a player tries to abuse the "They believe anything you say" discipline, just use your DM authority.

>>53547775
I think there's a UA pdf lying around somewhere but I forget its name. Pretty sure it'd be common because if I remember right anything more would take a lot of downtime.

>>53547820
Mine are starting off at three but I'll give them a chance at some if they choose to investigate on of the sky's many floating labyrinths/dungeons.

>>53547713
I run a pretty high magic game so my players may run into a few magic items after a big fight or in a city if they have the money, or for RP.

I also make a lot of magic items, I built 10 evolving artifact/Legendary items in my game that grow after some conditions have been met.

Also, I use some other homebrew items I find on the Unearthed Arcana boards from time to time.

When do we find out what the next book is?

>>53547923
>next book.

At the rate they're releasing content, probably it will be the 6e PHB, in 2019.

>>53547951
Why ARE they being so sparse with content? I mean sure, it could be that they're not trying to bloat the system but it feels like there's nothing out there

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is there a wizard of Thay archetype in 5e?

>>53547923
Stream of Annihilation, June 2 and 3 on Twitch.

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>>53548029
Nah. Don't they have specialists in every school?

>>53548023
their budget is a fraction of what it was for past editions

>>53547312
There's a few other iconics, like Regdar the eternally dying.

>>53547392
Thanks
Id probably run the maulers as zombie hook horrors mechanically
Im defeinatly going to make a skabern as one of the mini bosses before the bbeg its orcus ive also got a mummy lord, a death tyrant, a lich, a demilich and a dracolich and now Dr. Skaben

>>53547713
I'm making almost all my magic items, except for consumables.

I'm telling fuck it to uncommon, rare and other stuff like that, too. Evey magic item in my game is unique.

My plan is to give at least one iconic magic item to each of them before they reach level 5 (they found the first one at the end of level 2, but will attune when reaching 3). These will be items that'll stay with them through the whole game, if possible. Either by growing in power along with them, or by being very useful, if not powerful, or even by being cursed and impossible to get rid of.

After that, though, I plan on slowing it down on these "good" items and I'll give them more temporary stuff (ones that break, ones that are useful only in very specific situations, one that are used on a quest and lose their purpose). I plan to keep it that way for a while.

>>53548059
That would make sense. They toned stuff down from the playtest and played it safe in terms of setting or having interesting mechanics

That certainly might reflect a lowered budget

>>53548059
>>53548199
The fact that they can make material which is at least on par with and actually surpasses the quality of material from previous editions says a lot.

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>>53547016
the critical role pvp one shot was great, made me realize how untapped the pvp market is
where can i watch good 5e pvp?

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I found these cool coins online, I gave one of my players 3 of these little guys.
(Wounds Coin, Luck Coin, Speed Coin) So far the player is enjoying them, so I wanted to share them with you all.
Just note all the spells are non-concentration and have a save DC and spell attack up to the DM.

>>53548051
yeah, I know 5e is heavy into forgotten realms so i figured they might do something

>>53548297
the previous two editions all had massive, gaping flaws that anyone with the slightest bit of competence would have seen a mile away, and they have still managed to repeat many of their old mistakes (likely intentional, granted)

the vast majority of their "good stuff" this time around has been rehashing old adventures

the quality of what has been published for 5e is only impressive by the very low standards wizards has set for d&d

>>53548414
When are you releasing your own system?

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>>53548048
Thanks!

>>53547247
what in the actual fuck why is this something we needed

>questioning something like this on 4chan

>>53548476
It's not about need, it's about want.

>>53548198
Here, now that I mentioned it, I think I could use some help with that first stage:

My group is composed of:

Half-Orc Fighter, obsessed with defense
>has a semi-magical expensive armor already, so should get something not very powerful, should be more on the useful side
Half-Elf Ranger, hunter
>I'm thinking mildly powerful bow with utility aspect
Human Barbarian, totem warrior (bear)
>Already has his item, a weapon
Dwarf Moon Druid, wants caster stuff too, likes bears
>wanted to have a homebrew feat for double concentration, I'm thinking cursed sentient item that does it inconsistently but also spends his spell slots erratically sometimes
Human Cleric, heals and supports
>could use some help
Gnome Warlock, wants to summon cthulhu, likes illusions and mind tricks
>could use some help here too

I'd love to introduce in this early stage the idea of items with sort of "set bonuses" (I know it sounds video-gamy, I think it's a good concept still), so if anyone has an idea involving those please lmk

>>53548630
Just to be clear, I'm not asking for help with all of them, just if someone has a random idea.

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>>53548630
>Fighter
Why not some type of shield? Do you want them to have more defense?

>Ranger
Okay, what do you want those utility aspects to be? Do you want it to also be able to do some decent damage? How high powered is your campaign?

>Barbarian
What does it do?

>Moon Druid
I like it, you should write out how it works though.

>Cleric
I made a shield for my clerics or paladins see the image. I like building it off of the god the Cleric worships. What does your character's Cleric worship? If at all.

>Warlock
How about a staff that gives a once per day use of one of the illusionist's abilities? The summoning Cthulhu thing is tricky and edges closer to how a divine intervention would work for a cleric.

>>53548630
>>53548796
Sorry I forgot the name of the shield "Dawnflower's Ward"

What are some ideas for mundane (Uncommon or lower) but strong (mechanically) weapons?

Off the top of my head
>Cold Iron Quarterstaff (Uncommon)
>Versatile (1d8), Heavy
>Requires 13 STR
>This rather heavy Quarterstaff is made of a magically nonconductive metal, and is not damaged by magic effects that would otherwise destroy equipment. Despite it's name, it has no extra effect against Fey; it's simply cool to the touch due to it's nonconductive material.

>>53548346
It was interesting but they fucked up a ton for it to be a serious game. Most PvP sessions I've had end in a cluster-fuck of one person bowling the others over, then the guy who avoided fighting wins. Much like the Critical role session.
It was entertaining by the strength of its players though.

>Party is fighting a Green Dragon
>winning slowly, managing to pretty much just outsustain the thing because Bard and Cleric.
>Dragon decides to just leave, it is getting close to death and know it wont win this.
>Flies up, but instead of just leaving, it sticks around a few meters above the tree tops for one more round to Dragon breath them.
>Monk and Bard looks at each other.
>Monk: I ready a dash action until the Bard casts haste
>Dragon breath attacks the cleric, who saves and still almost gets taken out
>Bards turn, right before the monk.
>casts haste
>Monk dashes to the tree closest to the Dragon
>monks turn
>active wall run, moves up the tree
>dashes
>bonus action dash
>SANIC.jpg
>Hey GM, with my momentum, can I reach the Dragon?
>Rolls acrobatics
>26
>Monk flies up the tree, speeds up through the sky to reach the Dragon.
>Monk uses the haste action to stunning strike the Dragon
>Fails its save
>Monk barely takes damage from the fall because monk
>Dragon barely survives, immediately concedes the fight.
>The party now has a captured Dragon
What can you even use a living green Dragon for?

>>53548905
Information gathering, green dragons are good at deception and lies. However this could go south for them with the dragon attempting to betray them. Or just let them have a pet dragon.

>>53548796
>I made a shield for my clerics or paladins see the image. I like building it off of the god the Cleric worships. What does your character's Cleric worship? If at all.
Speaking of this;

I have a white dragonborn Paladin worshipping Tamara in my current campaign. Level 3, and I want to give them their first item at a pretty significant milestone coming up.

I thought of just letting his God make his shield (very elaborately decorated with his own scales and a symbol of his God) magical, but I am stumped on what it should be doing. +1 probably, but beside that I am stumped for ideas.

Paladin of Devotion if it matters.

>>53548905
Free acid vials would be the main draw, coupled with transportation I would think.
that said, be prepared for the sudden but inevitable betrayal

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So, I found a novel concept in character that I hadn't seen before. My group has taken to calling it "Net Guy."

The concept is a human with the crossbow expert feat. It allows you to
>"When you use the Attack action and attack with a one-handed weapon, you can use a bonus action to attack with a loaded hand crossbow you are holding."
It also allows you to make ranged attacks while in melee (not just with crossbows, but any ranged attack) without disadvantage.

So, the concept is, you attack with a net in melee range (no disadvantage) and since you attack with a one handed weapon (which the net is) and have a loaded hand crossbow in the other hand, you can then make a hand crossbow attack as a bonus action. Nets say in their description:
>"When you use an action, bonus action, or reaction to attack with a net, you can make only one attack regardless of the number of attacks you can normally make."
It only refers to actions, not turn when attacking with a net. So, as long as you use a different action than your attack with the net, you can attack again.

So, your turn is to move into melee, net a monster, then fire a hand crossbow at it with advantage, since it's now restrained. It then wastes the monsters actions or attacks to get out of the net, or they have disadvantage to attack with the net still on.

So, I have a few questions regarding nets, and weird things that happen if a net is made magical (enchanted, or with Magic Weapon spell)
>Is there any way to deal damage with the net attack itself? For instance, if Magic Weapon were cast on it, would it deal the +1 damage for being a +1 weapon?
>If so, since it deals damage, would you then add your dex/str bonus to that damage?
>Could a magic net restrain an incorporeal undead like a ghost?
>Most magic items are much harder to damage. Would a magic net require more damage be applied before being destroyed?

>>53548905
>What can you even use a living green Dragon for?
see
>>53547247
You know what you must do.

Best way to be a bubbler?
What I mean is, I wanna use forcefields/wards and shit to protect people from damage.
Is such a thing even possible in 5e?
Is abjuration wizard the only way?

>>53549004
All of this is stuff to ask your DM. Most of these questions can be answered with "whatever you want, because magic"

>>53548950
Hmm, that might actually be good. The party is full of retards, they could use someone who could help them with advice and knowledge in general.

The Dragon wasn't supposed to be a threat actually. It was half of their CR, so I am considering just letting it swear it's allegiance to them, no strings attached. It was only because the Dragon was suspected of being responsible for a lot of havoc on a nearby village, but the party didn't know green dragons doesn't breathe fire. (Highest arcana check was fucking 6, so yeah)

>>53548892
it wasnt meant to be a serious game

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>>53547016
I believe that character, the male, is from Neverwinter Nights? Bishop, an archer/ranger if I'm correct?

Also OP pic and art is from "anndr" from DA

>>53548796
I was thinking for the fighter something more along the lines of a magic anvil (he's smith's tools) that lets him buff the party melee every long rest.

Idk about the bow yet, I was thinking something to do with ropes.

The barbarian's weapon is a water related spear I've posted in a couple of threads already, grows stronger with the user.

My cleric is a crazed life domain dude who thinks he saw a prophet. The only problem is, his god is not actually real, so he can't have items made specifically for his god.

What illusionist abilities?

>>53547079
Didn't you get called out on the virgin remarks already?

>>53549019
Well the female bard sure was giddy at meeting a Dragon, and was overjoyed when they captured it.

And it is only size large.

[Spoiler]The chick playing the character is crazy enough to consider it

>>53548796
I'm stealing this pdf.

That staff at the end is ridiculously badass.

>>53548956
How does this sound?

>Her Bastion
(Sheild, Requires Attunement by a Paladin or Cleric of Tamara)
This holy shield was crafted by the Goddess of Mercy herself.
While attuned to this shield you gain a +1 bonus to AC. This shield can also be used as a spellcasting focus for your spells. Once per day you may cast the spell Sanctuary using your spell save DC.

I would put more but it's for a level 3 character.

>>53549050
Ah, but alas, it's an Adventurers League game, so, I was wondering if there were logical enough answers that could convince many gm's one way or the other.

>>53548892
>>53548346
Recently just ran a pvp game myself and it was a blast.
Of course, it does often end up that the guy who just tries to avoid combat wins.

It's quite similar to something like super smash brothers in that way. That's why there exists the unspoken rule of "fuck up the guy who's just hiding from us."
It's classic. And then inevitably the betrayal of the temporary alliances. Fun to sit and watch as a DM.

It IS incredibly unbalanced as a game type, but so long as you go into it with everyone understanding it's just for fun, then it can be a good night.
The biggest thing you can do as a DM to try and balance things is making sure the map doesn't particularly favor one player over the rest.

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>>53549117
You better give us a story time if it happens

>>53549190
Yeah, we had to stop doing them because they became predictable. If you've got a Barb(especially bear) he's going to steamroll shit unless a caster gets a huge spell off on them. Same goes for Druids with wild shape, we had a mystic who fucking stomped people as well. Long and short of it is there are a handful of classes that are flat out busted for player versus player scenarios, but they can absolutely be crazy fun if the players do more than just play the mechanics.

When everyones double-crossing everyone, and the battle-field itself is interesting and filled with crazy magic items, healing and dangerous traps...man its a good time. Until you have that one game where people die in one turn of combat every round.

To those DMs who ran a Battle Royale between the demon lords, how do the demon lords fare against each other?
Which is the strongest or weakest?

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>>53549120
I want to hug you, you are one of the first people to give me some positive comments on the homebrew. Also, I just realized that is missing one item, that my CO-DM has been working on. Sorry for the repost.

>>53549094
>Fighter
Like a paladin buff, how does an aura that gives +1 to attack and damage rolls for allied creatures within 20 feet of the fighter once per long rest?

>Bow
Ropes, like a hookshot? or Trickshots?

>Barbarian's Spear
Oh cool! Can you post it?

>Cleric
Hmmm... I'm going to keep thinking on this.

>Illusionist
Sorry I was not specific. The Illusionist subclass for the Wizard.
>Malleable Illusions
>Illusory Self
>Illusory Reality

>>53549230
>When everyones double-crossing everyone, and the battle-field itself is interesting and filled with crazy magic items, healing and dangerous traps...
Yeah, this is certainly a must.

>>53549004
Remember you need a free hand to reload the crossbow.

>>53549253
I'll gladly take the update.

I love your ideas and most of the names.

Distract and Deceit are a nice combo too.

And the way you put the weapon images next to the text? Gives it an "official" feel that I can appreciate.

>>53549120
You fool!

>>53549289
>not being a dragonborn with a tail-mounted bolt-reloader attached

>>53549296
I regret nothing.

>>53549253
Just chiming in;
This is really great work. Especially as a GM, this is really great to work with, because I can give people a magic weapon that will likely last their entire career at an early level, and they'll never feel like they need another one.

I like it. 10/10.

>>53549194
Don't hold your breath.

>>53549289
You can normally ready one weapon on your turn without using an action. You can ready and immediately throw a net, and the rest of the turn you have a hand free to reload.

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>>53549333
Thank you anon!

Do be cautious though, these were not intended for super low levels. I expect parties to get these around levels 8+.

For me, I have it as followed
Base/Dormant:8+
Awoken:12+
Exalted:16+

>>53549239
Demogorgon is the one that's supposed to win if you don't decide to do Battle Royale. Haven't looked at the stats but I assume he's the strongest.

>>53549239
Orcus wins if he has his wand.

>>53549253
Fighter:
I was thinking more of something along the lines of: if a weapon is "prepared in this" (like sharpened if it's a sharpening wheel) its first critical hit that day deals an extra die of damage, then loses its especially sharp edge.

Bow
I don't really know, didn't give it too much thought yet. Maybe "you can make a magical rope form between the bow and the last arrow you shot". That ought to cause some chaos.


The barb's spear:
>I'm using generic names here just because I haven't really thought them up yet
Also worthy of notice that magic weapons don't get +1, +2 or +3 in this scenario, in general.

Water-related-thing Spear-lance-whatever
(Pike, requires attunement)
Looks like greenish bronze that was found underwater. Has holes in its tip which hold liquids like a pen with ink.

Starting properties
The wielder never has to make any checks due to being on a wet surface (such as an acrobatics check not to fall).
Whenever this weapon is wet, it deals 1 extra point of damage.


If the wielder has a proficiency bonus of at least +4
The damage increases to 1d6.

If the wielder has the polearm master feat
Whenever you hit with the Attack of Oportunity from someone entering your reach, you may move the creature 5ft to the left or to the right, as long as it’s medium or smaller

If the wielder has the great weapon master feat
Whenever you take the -5 penalty on your attack roll, if that attack hits, you may cause the opponent to bleed out. This effect works like a bearded devil’s glaive.

If the McGuffin is placed on its shaft
The weapon now lets you cast the following spells (DC 15):
Tidal Wave 1/day
Control Water 1/week
Tsunami - once. This can be recharged by a caster (who can use this spell) spending an 8th level or higher spell slot for five consecutive days.

If the wielder drowns
Afterwards, the wielder can cast Water Breathing as a ritual as long as he’s attuned.

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>>53548349
>weaponized coins
I like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNJuj1HrFLU

How is abjuration wizard? Anyone ever play one?

>>53548349
I like this.

Hi /5eg/, where is a good place on/near the sword coast for a small "druid hippie commune" (couple dozen people at most) to live? Humans with distant fey ancestry mostly. Its for character backstory.

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Why the hell aren't you running an Eberron game, anon?

>>53549080
Yeah, that's definitely her. She has a massive hard on for Bishop and seems to think he's just misunderstood or something. She legitimately loves this dude so much, she made a mod for him in Skyrim. As I understand it, Casavir is the bad guy in it.

>>53549438
>Fighter
How does this sound?

>Keen Anvil
While attuned to this item you may choose a creature's (or creatures'?) weapon, and sharpen it in this blessed anvil. This process takes 30 minutes. Once this process is completed this weapon scores a critical hit on a 19-20 and on a critical hit deals an extra dice of damage, after this critical hit the weapon loses this property. A weapon can only be sharpened with this anvil once per day.

>Bow
Dimensional rope?

>Pike
The extra 1/1d6 point of damage is it cold?
Also careful with making feats a part of a weapon, as not everyone will get those.

>Cleric
Still thinking

>>53549571
Misty forest near Daggerford, or perhaps Trollbark forest (just avoid the Warlock's Crypt).

>>53549493
It's one of the best three wizard archetypes.

>>53549616
The anvil is nice, I was thinking of something along those lines.

>Bow
sorry, I don't follow, you mean rope trick?

>pike
if I MUST specify the damage type I'd probably say piercing or slashing.
About the feats, in all honesty, they probably won't do the quests either and I'll have to think of new stuff to keep the weapon relevant, if I really want it.

>>53549602
too high fantasy

>>53549602
It's pure hot garbage.
Literally the worst dnd setting ever which is saying something.

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>>53549818
>>53549875
I'm so sorry for your shit tastes, anons. Maybe someday medical technology will be developed enough to save you.

>>53549875

It is quite an accomplishment. I'd be impressed if I didn't know that people fell for that trash.

Is 5e Modern a bad idea? I'm thinking of adapting the rules from "Modern Magic UA" and "My new d20 modern campaign" and balance them a bit.

Anyone have any ideas for using guns and stuff? One idea I saw made it so you have to use a bonus action to aim guns, otherwise you don't add your Proficiency Bonus to attacks. Also that you have disadvantage with Ranged Gun attacks if a melee character's within 10ft.

>>53549965
>>53549875
When did you realize your opinions were literally worthless. Fuck you, Eberron s great.

>>53549974
There are many better options than 5e for what you want to do

>>53549974
A lot of people have talked about doing something like that, but no one has followed through. I guess there's Ultramodern5 but that's kind of garbage.

>>53549974
Think it works fine without making guns take bonus actions to aim. If anything, bonus action to reload after X number of shots.
5ft is enough to cause disadv. 10ft is eh.

>>53549985
>And here we have a dnd hipster coming out defending his special snowflake setting

I feel bad for you. I really do. I pity you and people like you.

>>53549985

>being in this much denial
sad

>>53550000
Why is that garbage?

>>53550025
>>53550036
Yeah, you guys seem like someone without friends and hate fun. There's no helping your severe retardation and autism.

>>53550048
Poor formatting and "ladders" which are literally just poorly-thought-out feat chains.

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>>53550000
I was going to use this. I don't think that much needs to be changed other then "You're in a city and can use modern guns in the DMG". Everything else is really just fluff.

>>53550016
I'm going to use the DMG rules, which have reloading after a certain amount of shots as an action. I do feel that guns just completely overshadow melee (Which is fair in reality) but it would mean there would be no STR or melee weapon users.

Maybe only Melee Weapon Attacks add Ability Modifier to damage? Otherwise even someone with sidearm proficiency lets you do 2d8+DEX with a Revolver. I could always just reduce gun damage a bit I guess.

>>53549998
Once again, 99% of it's fluff. The rest is just adding equipment.

>>53549735

>Bow
Sorry, I'm just throwing out some ideas to see if anything sparks something. Rope Trick would be pretty good as a once short/long rest spell if you are going the magical rope angle.
Here is my attempt.

>Insert Bow Name Here
This magic longbow forms an unbreakable grasslike rope at your command. Twice per day, when you hit a target with an arrow using this bow you may choose to conjure the rope between the hit target and an object within 20 feet of you. The rope stays taut and can be used as a walkable surface (Acrobatics: DC 15) or slid down. Once per short rest, you may cast the spell Rope Trick by firing an arrow into the sky.

(Think Green Arrow)

>Pike
I would recommend something that does not involve feats to keep them relevant, that way if someone else were to use them they would not feel like they can't use it effectively. Also, the Bearded Devil ability on GWM is quite powerful as is and I think scales pretty well, it's stronger than the Wounding Swords.

>Cleric
Man, this is a tough nut to crack. As not having a god or something somewhat tangible makes making an item that's character specific require more detail on the character. At the moment I'm thinking about a buffed up staff of healing that comes with some buffs/wards or something that can give him Clairvoyance at some point.

>>53549985
>sucking Keith Bakers dick this hard
lmao grow up kiddo

>>53550100
Do your wranglers know you're loose?

>>53550066
Just take away something like sharpshooter and crossbow feats. But leave the rest as is.

If you're running a modern game your fight zones shouldn't be too open in theory, right? You might be in a building or in a small alley, or street.

The person who wants to go melee will probably pick something like a barbarian, and will run up, not giving a fuck about taking bullet damage, and fuck everyone up while giving them disadv on their shots at your boys with guns.

>>53550166
True, I just realised a bunch of the heavier armour gives Ballistic Resistance. So I might make the STR requirement a bit higher so the strong guys can murder you.

I might change Monk's arrow catching into natural Ballistic Resistance for the round as a reaction as well. Say that they learn Ki empowered ways to stop the mundane guns from piercing them.

Also I'll remove Sharpshooter and replace it with something for gun users. CE is straight out because it removes the main drawback of Ranged and bonus action pistol shots would be too much.

Thanks for the help man.

>>53550084
No need to say sorry, man, you're helping quite a lot.

>bow
I was thinking something along those lines, yes. I think I'll do it a little different.


>pike
about the feats, it's my way of saying that the weapon gets better if the wielder is an adept fighter, I can't think of other way of doing that, but I'd be down for anything else.

>>53550309
Why not just let monks catch the bullet?

>>53550309
You should word monks ballistic resistance as something more like dodging bullets to increase AC rather than them just being resistant to bullets. Monks matrix-dodging bullets would be hardcore and appropriate

>>53549602
Because I want to play a proper tabletop RPG and not a wannabe MMORPG with action points, steampunk, and other bullshit that only appeals to teens?

>>53550378
Exactly. Any setting that emphasizes that a cleric can actively work against their own church and continue to receive spells is one specially designed for fedora tipping neckbeards.

>>53550357
Mostly because the high as damage on all guns wouldn't really help much. 1d10+DEX+Level DR is nice but when you're being hit twice by a weapon dealing 2d10+5 each it's nowhere near as good as it was with bows and crossbows.

Plus it's kinda too stupid for me, the idea of someone catching a bullet is just wrong.

>>53550368
Maybe they can get a bonus to AC against Ranged Attacks as an reaction then? +2 might be alright though it's pretty fiddly.

Disadvantage on guns against them would be too strong though... Any ideas anon?

>>53547016
Spare us the romantic bullshit images.

Hey, anons, just offering an update here. Does anyone remember me complaining about half the party getting AIDS a few weeks back?
Well, not only we managed to not infect anyone else and/or doom the world, but we also got cured. Took Greater Restoration to do it, but we're fine.

What race would suit the best the Ming Dynasty? Humans, elves...? Who would be the Manchus?

>>53550402
So you're saying it should be far more popular on 4chan? :^)

I'm thinking of turning Sunless Citadel into OotA for my newish players.

There's a path to the underdark in the Citadel but I can't think of a way to get them captured and down there without it feeling too forced or even being justifiable. Thoughts on how to do it?

How do you guys deal with exceptionally tanky characters?

>If I throw stuff that does more damage all the others almost die
>If I don't do it they breeze through stuff
>I can't just keep throwing stupid monsters that focus them because that's dumb
>If I debuff their AC they feel like they've spent their money and stats for nothing

Fuck, in this edition this is giving me a lot of trouble.

>>53550472
Saves, grappling, shoves for advantage, ignoring him if he's unkillable and dealing no damage and letting him have his fun.

I recommend having people shove him prone to get Advantage against him, also Saves for stuns and stuff.

If you want to be really dickish then Mind Control, if he's a complete Tank then the party won't be able to stop him once he is attacking them.

>>53550472
Spellcasters can fuck tanks pretty hard depending on the build

>>53550408
I mean, it's free and doesn't cost them any ki. Just a reaction. I mean, the idea of catching a bullet exists all over the place. And if anyone should do it for real, it's a super-human monk. No stupider than someone being able to summon fire from thin-air.

>>53547247
Sex and dnd don't mix faggots.

>>53550472
You'd be surprised how effective ignoring them works. Take advantage of the action economy to force them to run around like a chicken with their head cut off if they are trying to protect. Or if Barb, the real problem child, you have to control them or target them with save or suck. Sucks for the player, but honestly that shit is pretty unfair sometimes.

>>53550408
You plan to give every enemy with a gun +5 dex?
Also, probably wouldn't let every enemy multi-attack with a firearm like that.
Maybe if it were a pistol that had a smaller hit dice.

>>53550357
>>53550408
pretty sure I remember seeing Crawford say that monk's catch projectile can work on bullets RAW and RAI*

*If your DM says so

How do you guys mechanically bring a character back after their old one died?

>Same level as the party?
>Same level as the character was?
>Level 1?
>One level lower and halfway to the next like in 3.5?

>How about gear/gold? 5E doesn't have WBL charts or magic item requirements.

>>53550472
You don't deal with tanks with raw numbers, you'll lose everytime. You deal with tanks using utilities and special moves beyond just "deal damage"

Force them away from the team with shoves, grapples, magic, etc

Reduce their speed, knock them prone, stun them, paralyze them, poison them

You need monsters that can do interesting things, because dealing damage alone won't cut it

>>53550472
Spellcasters, fuck, even just rough terrain is a good idea

>>53550571
What like an unplayed character? Or someone died and you revived them?

>>53550584
Like their old character died and they've rolled up a new character to be added to the game.

>>53549602
B\c it's a mess. Stole some nice tropes from it for my own dork fantosy setting. Have read six setting novels, I know things.

>>53550342
>Bow
Glad I was able to help!

>Pike
For my items, I use roleplay or have the user do something special.
For example, I have a magic glaive in the list called The Martialist. It was forged during a long war and made to end it. To upgrade it you have to:

>Awoken
Reach level 12
Assist in ending/defeating a large siege on a capital or kingdom.
OR
Reach level 12
Slay 30 creatures attacking a location.

>Exalted
Reach Level 16
End a large scale battle raging in another plane.

I like the concept of items changing in the middle of a battle or it being a large surprise to them. So they will never know how to unlock their true potential, its always a surprise.

One big thing though about this is that I try to make the base form of the item good throughout the character's life. That way even if they can't upgrade it or don't figure out how to it will still be of use to them. Oh and also the way to upgrade them can be changed that way if they are not having as much fun or if it turns out too easy to upgrade the item I can change it a little to make it more fun for them or feel like they earned it.

>>53550571
If you mean how do you let them roll a new one?
I start them 2 levels below the party but they level twice as fast until they're equal with the party.
So really they're just below everyone else for 2 level-ups.

>level 10 party
>level 8 newbie
>level 11 party
>level 10 newbie
>level 11 party
>level 11 newbie

But then again my games revolve more around combat than they do around roleplay. And the lower level is more to emulate them being newcomers with more fledgling abilities compared to everyone else. But being with a group of people a cut above the rest conditions them.

>>53550619
Fuck it I'm tired.
I meant to say
>my games revolve more around roleplay than they do around combat

>>53550599
>>53550599
Oh, well I'd ask the group honestly. Most of the time my group rules it they are near(within spitting distance like a level lower at most and even then) to the main group XP wise because it sometimes sucks to be with a huge gap, but as far as good and magic items go I'd say give them a portion if it makes sense for the character. If this dude is just starting adventuring he shouldn't have a dragons horde.

Magic items are completely up to DM choice, but I personally think its better to tailor new items at their character rather than just give them old shit. But if the party looted the old items I'd hold of on giving the new guy starters.

>>53550567
I don't wanna fuck with the enemies stats to much. The pdf's idea is while guns are pretty dang powerful, it's balanced by armour.

If the melee guys are getting resistance from their bullet proof armour and DR then guns kind of even out against them. While still being deadly to people who have 8 Strength and can't physically carry around big ass science fiction bullet stopping armour.

Monks and Barbarians are forced into melee unlike every other class, with Monks not even getting Armour Proficiency or Damage reduction. I know Monks aren't meant to be tanky but someone forced into melee should at least have nearly equal footing with other melee characters.

>>53550599
Same level as their character was, reset xp to be start of the level. Standard gear for the level, standard gold for the level.

>>53550634
Monks can do a great job in such an environment if they use their high mobility to get in and stun people, as well as bonus action dodge.
Just by being near the people with guns they'll impose disadv on the ranged characters.

>snipers firing from high ground
The monk can just run up the side of the building, potentially even pushing them off with flurry if open hand.

I think their versatility works out fine in such a campaign.

>>53550517
>If you want to be really dickish then Mind Control, if he's a complete Tank then the party won't be able to stop him once he is attacking them.
>>53550535
>Spellcasters can fuck tanks pretty hard depending on the build
>TFW the GM can't deal with my Devotion Paladin at all

Absolutely stupid saving throws, AC23 (because the GM is dumb as fuck and gave a short sword that gives +2 AC or +2damage and hit, intended for the Rogue, who didnt fucking want it because of a superior +2 weapon he already has), and far too much HP.

Best thing is that he tries to ignore my character, which results in him being unable to ever use backline characters like casters, because I WILL run them down in 2 rounds at worst.

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>Up at 4 am preparing for a session later in the evening tomorrow
>suddenly get an idea on how I can make it 10000X better
>it's gonna take ours to prepare

fuck

>>53549602
Because I actually like my players and want to keep them around.

>>53550666
I know what you mean, but I still feel wrong with even Light Armour reducing ballistic damage with DR2.

What about a scaling Ballistic DR equal to 1/4th their level rounded up attacked to Unarmoured Defence? That gives them about equal to Light Armour users for most the game plus their usual Deflect Missiles when they're hit by a big gun.

I know this is getting into a complicated territory but I'll make sure to make my own Character Sheets for people to track their DR's and Resistances.

>>53550706
>tfw haven't really prepared for a session in years beyond scribbling shit in my notebook like "apothecarium owned by old grumpy halfling, only willing to talk to paying customers, even then likely to lie"

>>53550706
>Get some sleep anon. No matter how good the idea is being tired for the session will mean you won't be at your best for running it.

>>53550342
>>53550608
Oh, and try to tie the upgrading to the weapon's origins or creation, or purpose that way you can put in some lore and history to these items and make them feel legendary or unnatural.

>>53550378
>>53550402
Sounds like you chucklefucks hate fun and have no idea what quality is.

>>53549985
Cry harder faggot

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>>53550402
>hating intrigue

>>53550378
>hating heroic action

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>>53550378
>>53549818
>tfw you've grown out of the "fantasy realism" phase and stopped jerking off to its faux grit and seriousness
>tfw you understand now that characters and plot can be as complex and sophisticated as you make em, regardless of the setting peculiarities

>>53550619
That does become a problem at low levels though. If your party is level 3 and the newcomer is level 1 they're pretty likely to just get oneshotted the first time they take damage, which might turn them off of the game.

But for higher level play I can live with it.

I haven't actually played in a campaign above level 4 in almost a decade because progression is either super slow or people lose interest. There's one campaign I've been playing for 2 years, two afternoons a month, and we're still fucking level 4 (3 actually since we suffered a TPK last week).

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>>53549602
Because I want to enjoy myself.

Because I want my players to enjoy themselves

Because I don't want to spend time and potentially money figuring out the ins-and-outs of an entirely new setting when the one I am using is perfectly fine.

>>53550904
Which setting are you using, anon?

>>53550828
That's really you though.

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I'm glad we've had a productive discussion about the best setting for D&D.

>>53550924
>no u
Is that really the best you can muster kiddo?

>>53550938
Keep being severely autistic and keep trying to be a normie, you may get there one day and actually have some semblance of taste.

>>53550938
Relax anon, he's a retarded 4rrie so you can't expect too much.

>>53550552
of course not. but this isn't sex, it's erp at best.

>>53550962
That's true.
He probably doesn't even have a group :^)

>HAM vHuman
>Fighter 1/Immortal Mystic 1
Is there any level 2 martial PC that could beat this in combat short of GWM?

Also I mentioned it earlier and anon was confused as to the benefit- 4 temp HP per turn combined with 3 DR is really, really strong at low levels.

>>53550924
>sweet summer child thinks this is a comeback
Pathetic what this generation has turned into.

Anyone got Tome of Beasts? I can't find it in the trove.

>>53550962
>>53550983
Samefagging at its finest.

Tell us why you don't like Eberron, severe retards? That it triggers your autism is no reason to dislike it.

>>53551003
>I can't defend my system at all, I'll just call everyone samefag, that will show them

:^)

>>53550989
Well, the temp HP doesn't happen to level 3. It's still good at level 4 though but not hugely broken.

At that point you're on a 1d8 Hitdie mostly and most other people are approaching a pretty big burst in damage with Extra Attack.

So it's a good build, but not really broken. Barbarian/Mystic could have resistance to weapon attacks and a feat to spend on something else.

>>53550899
>>53550904
>>53550916
>>53550924
>>53550931
>>53550938
>>53550959
>>53550962
>>53550983
>>53550987
>>53550997
>>53551003
>>53551011
Please shut the fuck up and fuck off forever. This is just shitposting now. Nobody cares about Eberron. This is a 5E general.

>Have own setting I built
>Running multiple games in it, each in a different nation
>Beginning to realize that this may cause issues down the line

>>53551011
>>53550997
Did your mother severely beat your face in or something?

Again, what're your reasons for disliking Eberron? My defense of the system is irrelevant. I'm replying as if you weren't a troll and a shitstain.

>>53551031
Eberron can be a potential setting for adventure modules, also see the Eberron UA. Stop being a severe autist.

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>>53551031
I care about Eberron. It's the best setting that has ever been produced for D&D. It supports a combination of intrigue and heroic action that other settings don't even come close to.

>>53551039
This bro understands it.

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>>53550916
A homebrew setting that you could technically say is the forgotten realms, but only so much as "The cities of Baldur's Gate, Waterdeep and Neverwinter are around here somewhere, you're in monsterland wilderness." counts.

I use the actual setting material about as much as I use Eberron's, which is to say none at all. It's essentially just borrowing names and geography for things, because coming up with names and geography is boring and occasionally difficult.

>inb4 someone drops the infallible 'Hurr u can't say my setting is bad because ur setting is worse!'
I was asked, that's my answer. Different skubs for different bubs.

>>53551039
>>53551048
Also the gods are nebulous forces and alignments are a descriptor rather than something that restricts you.

>>53551039
Yall need to stop, Eberron is fine, FR is fine, Homebrew is fine. Territorial pissing matches over settings that you don't have to play if you dont' want to are pointless.

>>53550716
Yeah, giving them an extra passive is better than removing a feature imo.

>>53551034
>>53551034
>>53551038
>>53551039
Just stop.

>>53551034
>My defense of the system is irrelevant.
>admitting defeat

I knew you could do it :^)

>ITT samefag is arguing with himself

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>>53551055
I love this part a ton. The setting encourages using all manner of evil and good creatures in interesting ways (good/neutral mind flayers that study magic, evil angels who form cults of personality to deranged ends) and was the first setting to truly break free of the shackles of alignment.

>>53547247
>Tieflings not even in the pregnancy compatability chart

That's bullshit. Everything with even a drop of Tiefling blood becomes a full Tiefling. They're like medieval Asari with both genders.

>>53551066
It's sad that a severe autist going full retard soured people's tastes to Eberron. Eberron is a good setting. It contains a lot of things that are instrincally and quintessentially d&d, while also simultaneously exciting and fresh.

>>53551092
Yeah, agree bro, it actually adopts fresh ideas and also encourages DMs to also adopt those ideas. See the Church of the Silver Flame, the Cult of Vol, the Dragonmarks, Xoriat and its denizens, etc.

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>>53547016
As soon as he dies, she's gonna lay claim on his magical sword because they were "romantically involved" and then she's going to sell his magical sword for $$$$, innit?

>>53547016
7

My Princes of the Apocalypse game went well tonight. How long will it last?

>>53551302
Fourteen and a half minutes. Make it count.

>>53551326
But... but.... This was the third session.

>>53547016

2 is too many if you have darkvison as you can use the candle for foreplay or something. If you don't have darkvision 5, cause you need to see!

Also, they smell great so, that's a factor.

>>53551346
Wax play is the shit.

>>53549312
>dragonborn
>tail

You are just the worst sort of person.

>>53551392
What do you mean?

>>53551406

Dragonborn don't have tails.

So I just rerolled an EK after my last character died. Lvl 9, got a shield +3 and a ring of protection, as well as splint +1, bringing my AC to 24.

Did my DM fuck up? I feel like this AC is ridiculous. If I cast shield on myself I get up to 29. That seems broken as fuck.

Anons? I need to make a 5e kitsune race for an Oriental Adventures setting - can I get some help balancing this shit out?

Also, I'm aware that Pathfinder has a kitsune racial feat where you buy it multiple times and each time you do, you get a new tail & power: is there any way of converting that mechanic to 5e, given that 5e is a lot more careful about handing out feats than PF?

Kitsune
Ability Score Modifiers: +2 Charisma, +1 Intelligence
Size: Medium
Speed: 30 feet
Vision: Darkvision 60 feet
Foxfire: You know the Produce Flame and Dancing Light cantrips, which you can cast with Charisma. At 3rd level, you can cast Faerie Fire with this trait as a 1st level spell once per long rest, again using Charisma as your casting ability score.
Trickster’s Guile: You have Proficiency in Charisma (Deception).
Hengeyokai: Fox

>>53551413
What? Since when?

>>53551422

Since ever.

Can anyone give me some advice on how to handle a particular location in a campaign? I'm going to have an ancient elven city that has been buried underground. A long time ago the Queen came into contact with demons/devils and allowed them entry into the material plane. This wreaked havoc through out the city and the surrounding land until a powerful shaman/druid summoned the powers of earth and buried the city deep below the ground. The players have found a way in to this lost city. Any ideas for interesting things they could encounter here?

>>53551421
That seems pretty fair. Maybe a slight buff to FF castings, as in they scale with number of casts by level?

>>53551430
Steal literally everything from Heroes of the Spiderwoods.

>>53551425
Source?
Dragons have tails. Why wouldn't a dragonborn not have a tail?

>>53547247
you know, I always wanted to know that gnomes played sex pranks on each other. thanks anon.

>>53551441
>>53551425
My appy polly loggies. I never read the dragonborn fluff properly. No tails. My bad.

>>53551434
Huh, do you really think Faerie Fire needs extra castings? I must admit that's not a response I ever expected to here.

Hengeyokai racial trait expanded upon, for reference:
Hengeyokai: You belong to a race of magical beasts that can assume partially or wholly humanoid form, as well as revert to your true bestial shape when it suits you. As an action, you can shift into any one of your three forms.

Hybrid Form is your default form. It functions as normal for a character.

In your Human Form, you gain Advantage on all Charisma (Deception) checks made to pass yourself off as human. It otherwise functions as Hybrid Form.

In your Beast Form, which is determined by your race, your game statistics are replaced by the statistics of the beast, but retaining your alignment, personality, Intelligence, Wisdom and Charisma scores. You also retain all of your skill and saving throw proficiencies, in addition to gaining those of the beast; if you and the beast have the same proficiency and the beast’s bonus is higher than yours, you use the beast’s bonus.

Changing shapes does not alter your current hit points, maximum hit points, or hit dice.

You can remain in any of these three forms as long as you wish, but must consciously choose to change shapes.

You can change shapes once at 1st level, twice at 5th level, and thrice at 11th level. You regain all expended uses of this trait when you complete a long rest.

If you have exhausted your uses of shapeshifting, you can revert back to hybrid form, but you cannot then change again into beast or human form.

>>53551467
That surprised me as well.

I had an old character who had but (nonfunctional) wings and a tail. Always seemed appropriate.

We figured that it just varied from dragonborn to dragonborn, and that it didn't change anything ruleswise.

Strange fluff. What's the reasoning exactly for them not having those pretty normal dragon traits? Not all dragons have wings, so that is at least justifiable, but the tail?

Has anyone run/played Princes of the Apocalypse before? My players have just reached Rivergard Keep. Any advice?

>>53543504
I feel it would be a disservice not to mention the aid spell to prevent instant death from massive damage and keeping your own hp up by including yourself with a higher level heroism. You'll still have the concentration problem with warding bond.

>>53551510
No idea.

>>53551441

5e PHB page 32, and 4e PHB page 35.

>>53551575
Yeah, I was wrong.
>>53551467

>>53551510

Well, for one thing it's an easy way to differentiate them from Half-Dragons and Lizardmen.

How much damage should a fragmentation grenade do? I'm thinking that it should require an action to throw, throwing range of STRx5 and deal 4d6 Piercing.

>>53551510
They aren't actually related in any way to dragons in most settings, is why. They just look like them to a certain degree.
In most (including Faerun, which currently is the core rulebook race explanation) they were effectively a separate race entirely, and in fact they HATE dragons since they were effectively treated like garbage on their homeworld.

Consider the differences between different species of primate and you have a good idea; clearly similar in basic appearance, but it's impossible to mistake a gorilla or chimpanzee for a human being.

>>53551620

They're made to be thrown, so shouldn't they just have the same range as other thrown weapons?

>>53551607
So... half-dragons are the result of polymorphed dragons fucking humans which have tails. And dragonborn are just a separate race that don't.... That's really odd that there would be two separate races that are basically the same but with such odd phenotypical differences..

>>53551510
Another thing they don't have; dragonborn come in all sorts of colors, but these colors can come in mixed patterns and they have absolutely no relation to their breath weapons type.

A dragonborn can be mostly brown with green spots, and have ice breath for example.

>>53551651
Half-dragons were never originally intended to be a player race but a million goddamn people REALLY wanted to play them, so with 4e they just said fuck it and let people play a totally unrelated draconic species.

>>53551650
I'm actually doing a pretty massive overhaul on weapons and armour for a modern system adjustment.

I'm making throwing weapons scale in distance using Strength. Give Strength a few buffs because of guns using DEX.

Also Thief's can use Dexterity for the distance and throw grenades as a bonus action. I'll likely rename them Agents though.

>>53551651
Half-dragons aren't a race, they're more of an unusual hybrid. Like, after the half-dragon has kids (if it even can) it likely has less and less of the draconic shit each time.
Dragonborn however are in fact a fully functioning species.

>>53551668
That's fucked up. (I started with 5e so I'm not familiar with older editions.)

Any advice for designing dungeons?

>>53551687
Like mules and hose breeds. Okay. But still. Why the fuck don't they have tails?! That's got to be a dominant gene.

>>53551696
Don't insert puzzles.

>>53551696
TRAPS!

>>53551718
The fuck? Puzzles are fucking great! You're probably just dumb.

>>53551696
typically it needs to be able to hold prisoners, or else it isn't a dungeon.

>>53551696
If its going to be a combat room make it interesting with places for movement, cover, hazards even(watch for holes so they can't exploit shoving to negate shit). Throw some puzzles in there and a few traps. Don't feel the need to make every room something crazy but a good portion of the dungeon should be filled with fun shit.

>>53551695
Yes, but what can you do?
Nobody's ever accused WotC of being smart.
>>53551711
Because they never HAD any tails. Or wings. Dragonborn are not related in any way to dragons except by their taxonomy.
Kinda like how all dinosaurs are dinosaurs but a diplodocus is NOT the same thing as a ticeratops.

>>53551651

The difference is Dragonborn aren't descendants of Dragons.
There are multiple origin myths, but they basically boil down to-
1. Creations of the same god who created dragons, either created before as a sort of prototype, or afterwards to be servants for their true prized creations.

2. Arose as a result of the Dragon god's death, either arising from the god's blood/body, or from humanoids bathed in the blood from the battle.
3. Ancient group of humans changed into Dragonborn by a dragon deity for what I'm sure seemed like a good reason at the time.

>>53551757
Oh, okay. That makes.... a little sense. Sure.

>>53551757
In Faerun they seem to be unsure of their origins themselves, except that whatever they are they are ANGRY. ANGRY ABOUT DRAGONS.

>>53551771
It's not all that strange, really.
"Dragon" in D&D isn't like saying "human", it's more like saying "feline" or "canine"; it's an accurate term but you have to narrow it the fuck down because it covers a broad range of creatures, many of which don't even look much alike beyond the shape of their heads.

True Dragons are the ones in the M&M, and even THEY have some abnornal varieties in certain settings such as Shadow dragons, song dragons, fang dragons, and brown dragons.

>>53551790
And dragon turtles. (Which I can't wait to kill my PotA players with) That's fair enough. What's a brown dragon though?

>>53551773

I mostly try to ignore FR lore when it comes to getting a baseline for stuff that didn't originate in FR.
And also, you know...in general.

>>53551806
In 4e? Desert-dwelling Chromatics with sail-like fins along their bodies instead of wings. They can still fly, but they prefer to burrow. They're gastronomes who love eating and savoring foods, to the point their hoards are often a blend of rare spices, valuable utensils, ancient and priceless cooking/gardening/animal husbandry texts, and exotic livestock for their dinner table.

They also spit sand that can strip the flesh from your bones.

>>53551806
Faerunian abnormal chromatic dragon type.
No wings, burrows, lives in deserts, kinda dumb. Think flightless white dragons in the opposite environment.
>>53551818
>I mostly try to ignore FR lore when it comes to getting a baseline for stuff that didn't originate in FR.
Dragonborn are too new to have any other kind I'm afraid.
Their origin setting is Nentir Vale, which is extremely fluff-light so there's not much of an explanation of them except that they used to be Empire-builders who fought with the tieflings when the tieflings had an empire.
>And also, you know...in general.
Forgotten Realms lore actually isn't bad, or even bland given how detail-intensive it is about some remarkably inane things.
It's rather like vanilla or chocolate ice cream instead; tasty, but today we use these ice cream flavors as the basis for other, more complex flavors of ice cream.

>>53551855
>>53551858
That's fucking neat. What was their breath weapon?

>>53551718
>puzzles
Puzzles should be either trivial and easy or optional. You dont want people to get stuck on them, without possibility to continue.

I personally dislike puzzles, because they often seem forced - intended for players, but not the natural part of setting. But there are way to do it right and way to do it wrong.

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>>53551874
They spit hot sand that flays the flesh off of your bones.
Fang dragons are also pretty odd, though in my opinion song dragons are the oddest Faerunian unique dragon species.

>>53551913
So, fire damage?

>>53551910
Sounds like you play characters with low INT.

>>53551922
>So, fire damage?
Acid, actually. It seems I was mistaken in what they spit up...I know there's A dragon that barfs up sand but there's just too freakin' many for me to remember now.

>>53551913
>fang dragons
Man what do they do? Breathe knives on you?

>>53551946>>53551946
>Acid, actually.
Oh, okay. Huh.... that's kinda weird.

>>53551957
Kinda.
They have no breath weapon (they're a type of mutant dragon as far as anyone knew), but they were covered in sharp, bony plates instead, so their damage in close combat was one age catagory higher basically.
I think they got a breath weapon in 4e as part of 4e's ongoing attempts to homogenize absolutely every setting they had as much as possible.

>>53551790
>song dragons
Huh?

Coming up with an idea for the dragonborn Paladin who needs a magic shield, how does this sound? Level 3, but everybody else gets something slightly similar. I made it semi-cursed for fluff reasons. It is intended to have a potential downside.

>Oath of Tamara (Requires Attunement by a Dragonborn Paladin)
>This shield is blessed by Tamara, for a devout servant in need of guidance.

>This blessed shield adds +1 AC, and the shield counts as the holy symbol.

>The wearer is no longer resistant to a damage type as per their draconic origin, but instead immune.

>Whenever a breath weapon or similar type of area of effect is made, that hits both the bearer and an ally, the Dragonborn must take a reaction to block it. This save is made with advantage, and if it succeeds, the Dragonborn takes full damage and stops the cone from hitting anyone behind him. If it fails, he still takes damage, but doesn't stop the AoE.

>Claw of Tamara
>The shield has a Claw like shape, and can be used as a +1 off hand weapon doing 1d4 slashing damage.

It feels appropriate to the character, and the God, and being a white dragonborn, I am not really worried about immunity to cold damage.

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>>53551977
Totally unlike other dragons.
They looked like copper dragons, except they were silver and pretty tiny as far as dragons go. They were all capable of polymorphing into a human shape, but only ONE human shape apiece (which they actually spent about 90% of their time in), and that shape was always a human female.
They didn't collect hordes either, and instead focused on lot on living regular lives with lots of interaction with other humanoids, which they enjoyed.

So...dragon-waifus, I guess?
I think the implication was that they mated with male humanoids and had daughters who were ALWAYS song dragons, so it's debatable if they were even dragons at all.

>>53552004
That's the most ridiculous lore I've ever heard. I don't believe you.

>>53552016
It was one of the endless varieties of dragon from the Forgotten Realms. Take that as you will.

>>53552034
I'll take it as a typo, thanks.

>>53552016
3e was a heady time, when under the guise of corporate marketing they came up with new classes, prestige classes, and dragons for every new splatbook it seemed like.
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Song_dragon
>>53552034
Totally unheard of before 2e.
But that's true about a lot of complaints about WotC's FR I guess.

>>53552044
t. autist.
Whatever you want to believe.

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>>53547247
>Rape
>your Satisfaction check automatically fails regardless of the result

This is dumb, how else are hips going to move on their own?

>>53552044
I think I remember reading that though they LOOKED like dragons that there was a strong possibility that they were actually a kind of Fae creature that simply shared their shape, since they basically followed none of the other "rules" of dragons and True Dragons honestly had no idea of where they came from at all, further suggesting no actual relation.
It was later put in that they frequented this one region that had a lot of close connections to the Feywild, so that might actually be the case and that they were sort of "migrant" dragons from another dimension.

>>53552059
>Thinking a joke is autism.
k

>>53552046
What happened to FR? 2e had some pretty good lore, barring some areas and a lot of Realms characters but 3e was just bland. One of the good things to come out of that era was the proliferation of small scale magic items by the Red Wizards.

>>53552076
Neat.
>>53552072
Mmm.... any 5e fags actually raped? I almost did, but she didn't ask for the cash up front.

>>53552089
Oh? I'm a 5e guy. Do you have examples?

>>53552089
>What happened to FR?
Marketing push, basically.
Stopped being made by people who cared about adding/detailing lore (not that it needed any more, sheesh, the place as almost as much history detail as some real-life countries at this point) and more about simply turning out a product.
This IS the company who's first strategy for D&D was "just turn it into Magic the Gathering", remember.
>One of the good things to come out of that era was the proliferation of small scale magic items by the Red Wizards.
I actually kinda liked that and returned them to being shady magical arms dealers in my 5e house game.
It was both more useful for plot ideas and helped differentiate them from all the OTHER crazy magic-using cults in Faerun.

>>53552117
Sure. Reads this.
https://dnd.rem.uz/Advanced%20D%26D%20(unsorted)/AD%26D%20Accessory%20-%20FR%20-%20Lands%20of%20Intrigue.pdf
It talks about one of the supposedly "bland" areas of the game with a heavy detail of it's regional politics and culture, including royal succession hierarchies and shit like that.

That's just ONE of the old sourcebooks too; they used to be much, MUCH heavier on fluff rather then crunch.

>>53551922
>>53551946

4e Brown Dragons DO in fact breath hot sand, which just deals physical damage by the way.

That's because 4e Brown Dragons are actually an amalgamation of Brown and Yellow Dragons from previous editions.

>>53552158
I KNEW I saw sand somewhere in there.

>>53552158
>physical damage
>Brown and Yellow Dragons
That's not very specific.
What's a yellow dragon?!

>>53552117
Cloak and Dagger was from the 2e era and detailed a bunch of secret societies of the FR. It was pretty damn good and blows the 3e Lords of Darkness, offering similar yet disappointly brief information, out of the water.

The Faiths and Avatars supplements line was also freaking amazing, as was Lands of Intrigue (a lorebook on the nations of Amn, Tethyr and Calimshan).

All of these lorebooks are just meatier fluffwise than anything we've gotten since.

>>53547152
Humans of course can be anything but ranger or cleric make the most sense tactics wise, since a ranger can switch hit and a cleric can switch tank. Not to mention the party probably needs a healer of some kind. So definitely cleric.

>>53552172
Physical damage, like swords or whatever. Yellow dragons are yet ANOTHER fucking dragon type.
Seriously, is twelve NOT enough types of dragon or something?

At least they took away the gem dragons, though I'm sure that has more to do with them relying heavily on psionics rules rather then any actual reluctance to use them.

>>53552191
I was hoping for descriptions of magic items.

>>53552218
Well there's three types. I'll assume slashing. GEM DRAGONS??!?!

>>53552234
>GEM DRAGONS??!?!
Yup.
They ran the gamut of Neutral-alignments rather then Good or Evil ones, like the Metallic and Chromatics. They also used no magic, instead relying mostly on psionic powers instead.

Look, Wikipedia has a list of every bullshit dragon type ever made, most having come out in 3e or 4e material.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)

>>53552172

In 5e it would probably be Bludgeoning damage.

Yellow Dragons(in 2e at least) were winged desert-dwelling dragons that burrowed and spit hot sand.

Brown Dragons were wingless desert dwellers that burrowed and spit acid.

>>53552273
There was a lot of overlap there I guess.

>>53552266
The Lung dragons, originally known as Oriental dragons, appeared in the original Fiend Folio (1981), including the li lung (earth dragon), the lung wang (sea dragon), the pan lung (coiled dragon), the shen lung (spirit dragon), the t'ien lung (celestial dragon), and the yu lung (carp dragon).[17] Two more were added in the 1st edition Oriental Adventures book, the chiang lung (river dragon) and the tun mi lung (typhoon dragon). The Oriental dragons later appeared in the Monstrous Compendium Forgotten Realms Appendix (1989).[18]
Oh fuck off...

>>53552281
Yuuup.
Mind you, not all of these dragons canonically exist in most official settings.
In FR you mostly heard about the regular types for example, plus shadow dragons.
Even the added 3e Faerun dragons never really showed up or were mentioned anywhere outside of the book they were described in.

>>53552299
But they still ALL have tails.

>>53552278

Yeah, and that's disregarding the fact that Blue Dragons were ALREADY evil Dragons who preferred a desert habitat.

>>53552316
Hell, Lung Dragons are ALL tail when you think about it.

>>53552324
Blue dragon = best dragon

>>53552331

... that seems like something a racist True Dragon would say.

>>53552324
It's why I never use any beyond the basic MM ones; there's plenty of flexibility there.
I've always done my damndest to make each one memorable and have a unique personality and agenda too; I think in god-knows-how-many years GMing I've only used dragons maybe nine times.

>>53552077
Then make it a good one.... sheesh.

>>53547152
They lack a party face so Bard or Dragon Sorcerrer or Warlock.

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Rolled 4, 2 = 6 (2d6)

>>53547016
That is one Chaddy Halfling.

Also, since my rouge doesn't have nightvision the funniest/most entertaining moments come in the dark when the DM just does what he wants.

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>>53552380
k

>>53552397
You'd need a joke to fly it over my head though...

>>53552350
>>53552331
>>53552299
>>53552281
Lung or long or loong literally means dragon in Wade-Giles, Mandarin and Cantonese respectively.

>>53552365

Well, I think an argument could be made for there being a niche for Brown or Yellow Dragons, just not really both of them.

And between the two of them I think the Brown is the more unique dragon.
Which is why I believe the 4e devs chose it to be the dominant half when they combined them.

>>53552427

Neat, not really relevant though.

What's the best Cleric for a bow wielder?

>>53552465
Just giving meaning behind why they're called that, and that lung dragon means you're saying dragon dragon, kinda like ATM machine.

>>53552491
Ranger.

>>53552497
Or idiot leftist.

So are we getting a 5e Draconomicon at some point or what?

I found the lack of dragons or dragonkin in Volo's kinda disappointing.

>>53552528
What kinds of dragons would you like to see? I'm pretty sure everything is there already.

>>53552511
Never go full retard.

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Daily reminder to praise your Oathbreaker overlords.

Break your oath and worship satan for superpowers today! You or your team didn't need charm immunity anyway, did you?

>>53552497

Well no, it's saying (Chinese Dragon) Dragon when discussing Chinese-type D&D dragons.