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So what do I use my TS for in 8th?

Tzeentch chaos marines?
Actual Post heresy TS count as?
Space marines (likely salamander if chapter tactic's a thing)?

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>>53468611
>So what do I use my TS for in 8th?
Like TS perhaps?

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Thousand Sons sehkmet terminators, is it worth mixing force swords and force axes or just go full axe or full sword?

well seeing as people are meh on the Moritat i might drop him.

>>53468660
It's a good model if you want the model.

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Thousand Sons Order of the Jackal Chaplain

>>53468675
Its an interesting model. But i will build my own if i want him.

>>53468659
I've never liked axes, personally.
If you're swinging last, you might as well swing hardest

>>53468659
They are using Kopeshes which are axe-swords so you can use it for anything but a maul

>>53468632
But all is dust is kind of a weird rule for the fleshies no?

>>53468611

>So what do I use my TS for in 8th?

Blood Angels, because TS are going to be gutted in the gut after 8th is done with it.

>>53468854
Oh yeah, BAs do have psychic dreads don't they?

>>53468894

Would be weird if BAs didn't get their signature Librarian Dreadnoughts.

So now that I know we are staying in 7th i guess i can rework my army around a whole pile of Vet Tactical squads as Psykers useing pride of the legion.

>>53468939
Kek didn't a podcast guy quit because he didn't want 8E or something?

>>53468993
i don't know i don't really care. i was just not sure of rites of war would carry over. and i want a ton of psykers in my army because its fluffy. and the best way to do that is pride of the legion rite.

What do you guys expect to change for 7.5?

>>53469113

Maybe trial rules, but I wouldn't expect anything significant.

FUCK i cant do a LIBRARIAN if i have a Moritat. so i guess i will have to drop him.

good bye lil Moritat you never existed but you will be missed.

BOLS:

GW made an unexpected announcement today of Mr. Bligh’s passing.

“Today, we regretfully bring you some sad news. Alan Bligh, the lead writer on the Horus Heresy games, has passed away. Alan was not only a valuable member of the Games Workshop family but a great human being. He was a talented writer, a dear friend and a supportive colleague. Our thoughts go out to Alan’s family and loved ones. We will all miss him dearly.

Alan worked at Games Workshop for 14 years and was a key member of the Forge World Studio for over a decade. He was utterly dedicated to his work and enriching the fictional universe that his words made real for so many.”

John French begins his heartfelt writing on his passing with a few more details:

“Alan Bligh died on the 26th of May 2017 after a brief fight with cancer. “

=> Goodbye Angelus.

>>53468611
Blood ravens. Run the new angelos as a praetor of the corvidae cult in 30k.

>>53469352

No one should pay $50-100 USD or whatever it'll cost for DoW3Angelos with that fucked up face. Its one of the few instances I would condone buying Chinacast, since the head absolutely has to be replaced.

>>53469352
I guess I have to.

There's a local autist that plays them, but whatever.

>>53468566
omg, why do you ride his small dick so bad?
He was a fucking anti social hack and a dick.

>>53469870
Never speak ill of the dead and all that.

I honestly don't know what's the deal with the man, but unless he was literally second hitler, you shouldn't be happy that someone's dead

>>53469870
What was he a dick about? Genuinely asking cause I'm just a bookfag and I don't really keep track of the warhammer authors

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>>53468993
Ryan Kimmel at Radio Free Isstvan. He pretty much tries out all the games because he has a game store, and he wasn't a fan of the AoS rules. Didn't want to play HH using them.

But it was more than that. I think it started when that podcast sent FW a bunch of cakes with questions on them for a FAQ. GW's social media team mentioned that the cakes had arrived, but FW never said a thing about them or the questions.

Then the 40k FAQ banned multibombing, which seemed to be an integral part of 30k list building (assault-oriented legions need it, in Ryan's opinion) and FW said nothing.

Then Inferno came out, and Ryan was pissed at the power creep - not just TSons and Custodes, but all armies in that book getting cheaper weapons upgrades than had been normal in previous books. And it was full of unit entries that made no sense and needed... a FAQ. No word from FW on when we might get one. They'd respond to rules questions by email, but they wouldn't answer consistently.

Finally, there was the whole 7th or 8th edition thing, and as with the cakes, the lack of communication was an equally large part of the problem.

One of his fans made this picture though.

>>53469719
White Scars are on Terra, actually fighting the enemy rather than hiding behind walls.

>>53469892
>I honestly don't know what's the deal with the man
Without him, FW would probably not have started its HH series. And he apparently came up with volkite weapons years ago when he wrote a fandex for Mechanicus Explorators (souce for that second fact: http://www.john-french.com/2017/05/alan-bligh-remembered.html ).

>>53470030
The Scars left the Wolves hanging at Alaxxes.

Fair enough. They got along better with the Thousand Sons than the Space Wolves, and when they heard about Prospero they thought the Wolves had gone rogue.

>>53469892
Not speaking Ill of him, just out of what was my experience with him in life.
I may not have liked him but I never wished him ill.

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These are disappointing. None of them are shooting at one target with both pistols, so what's the point?? Wasted potential.

>>53470066
Screw those hypocritical barbarian dogs tho

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>>53469932
Warhammer world, I was on vacations and went to visit there from the other side of the pond.

I wanted to purchase a thunderhawk. And I saw him picking some paints from the WHWstore.
I met him there and asked him if there was any chance to see more Blood Ravens stuff as that was a huge missed opportunity to make moneys.

He said they already made transfers and we should we should be grateful.

Asked him if not even rhino doors?

He said, we are not interested on making stuff from a computer game really.

Turned his back and went back to his studio.

The guys at the warhammer shop where all like "what a dick" and one of them told me to not mind him since he is not very good at socializing with people.

I was going to purchase a thunderhawk you know but... the guy literally just killed my desire to purchase anything forgeworld.

Like I said, I do not wish nor wished him i'll but I do not like him and never did. First cause of the space shark name change and then this shit which was basically the deal breaker.

>>53470108
you sound pretty autistic yourself getting too butthurt from a short conversation with an employee to not make a $500 purchase and "kill your desire to purchase anything forgeworld"...so lets just agree you're both lacking social skills but probably have other redeeming qualities.

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>>53470108
That's it?

I think I nailed down all my Favorite looking models down into one list that is not totally garbage. I am using the Pride of the Legion rite of war.

HQ-------------

-1-Legion Praetor Force Weapon, Plasma Pistol, Iron Halo, 3 levels of Psy.

-2-Osiron Contemptor Twin linked lascannon.

-3-Legion Libarian 2 levels of Psy, Terminator armor,

Troops-----------

-1-Sekhmet Terminators +1 Terminator, 3 Claws, Chain Fist

-2-Legion Terminator squad Bro psy, Plasma Blaster, 3 Volkite Charger, 4 Claw, Sarge Chain Fist. Land Raider Phobos

-3-Vet Tac Squad Heavy Flamer, 4 Power swords, Bro psy, Legion vexilla Rhino

-4-Breachers Plasma Pistol,

-5-Tac Support Squad +2 dudes, Plasma guns, Rhino

Heavy Support---------------

-1-Legion Heavy Autocannons

-2-Fire Raptor Auttoncannons

I then add on the following two units for 3500 point games

Troop--------------------

-6-Legion Tac Squad Legion vexilla, +5 dudes

Lord of war-------------------

-1-Thunderhawk Gunship Turbo Laser, Void hull

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>>53470177
To be honest, I'd be dissapointed if he told me that, but if he's not interested then he's not interested.
Shame, I got to know Space marines through vidya, then got to HH, then to FW in general.

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>>53470177
>you sound pretty autistic yourself getting too butthur
It's the way on how you tell things to people.

The way he said it pissed me off and made me change my mind on not to support the company that he worked on. That's pretty simple.
I am amazed you couldnt catch something as simple as that,so either you are an anti social cunt or you are simply butthurt.

The irony, he goes off the day they anoune a blood ravens figurine. And there is a new thunderhawk coming out.

>>53470205
Remove Wormslut.

>>53470222
>I'd be dissapointed if he told me tha
this pretty much.

>>53470222
>Shame, I got to know Space marines through vidya
But anti social cunts like him do not realise the market that videogame merchandise has.
No one gives a shit bout his shitty minotaurs, red scorpions or tallarn crap.
People want the blood ravens like the ones they played with in the game.

They will realise this once they see how Angelos sells, despite his shitty sculpt, which I hope they fucking correct btw.

>>53470108
Thats it? Thats all it took for you to dislike someone? I was expecting something more dramatic but its fucking nothing.

>>53470255
Ask Khorne and Gulliman. They seem to be good at removing bugs.

>>53470108
This is bullshit. you have never set foot in Warhammer World. And you could not even afford a thunderhawk anyway.

>>53470267
>>53470267
>Thats it? Thats all it took for you to dislike someone?
I resumed it for you, you honestly wanted me to do a fucking story time kid?
It's the way on how he said, spoke and gestured. Guess you are pretty emotional oblivious.

>>53470255
>Wormslut
??

>>53470300
This is seriously the most idiotic shit I have ever heard.

You dont even know me nor anything, Yet you speak with your ass.

Guess you got triggered by the fact that your hacklord was an anti social dick in real life.

>>53470312
Sakura Matou.

tldr
She has magic worms.

>>53470300
>And you could not even afford a thunderhawk anyway.
You're asking for that guy to call on your ad hominem. If you don't have anything else to say, then don't, and that's still ok. The thread seems to agree his judgement of him was too severe for a single occasion, but in all fairness, it's hard to inferr the tone in which he answered him.
Perhaps he felt it rude.
I don't care much.
He's not suffering from cancer anymore, and the heresy won't die with him. Furthermore, didn't FW say they'd be using a modification of 7E? This 7.5E will finally mean HH is getting independent from GW rules.
What we asked for long ago is finally happening.

It's amazing how many Warhammer players are unaware of who Alan Bligh is, let alone that he died today. Pathetic desu. This thread's a pretty good example.

>>53470328
not going to lie i did not even know who that guy was. But i am sure you have never met him.

Plus I knew you would reply to my post, so stay mad little boy. I will be here chilling and working on my Thunderhawk that you cant afford.

>>53470352
Lots of people who have spoken with Bligh at FW events have all said he's a nice guy in person. All across the board on dozens of websites. Which makes this guy's rant even more suspect.

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>>53470356
Less you know better when it comes to GW authorship.

If you know their names then it means that they've fucked up.

>>53470356
I heard of it in the early morning, yet in the afternoon people were still just getting the quick rundown. Must be a time zone thing. For me, he died yesterday.
I thought anyone who read the HH books knew who he was, since his name is on them. I did not know he invented the choom, though. Now I miss him a bit more.
Plasma is better, but I liked the memes.

>>53470374
People can have bad days and there's perception bias. I have friends who other people say are douches, and dislike people who are liked by many others.
Such are personal opinions.
If Anon didn't like him, that's up to him.

>>53470222
>Blood Ravens
>Lorn V

They really didn't give a fuck.

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>>53470363
>But i am sure you have never met him.
Alright, so I made all that up then.

>>53470363
>stay mad little boy
oh I am mad?
How could I be mad? You are triggered as fuck, this is hilarious.

>>53470363
>working on my Thunderhawk that you cant afford.
>This triggered
In all my years on 4chan, this is the most autistic trigger cuck I have ever seen.


BTW Jokes on you,
I am getting a gabriel angelos figure, a new thunderhawk and your fat hack is no longer working on FW.

Enjoy your shitty old model, sounds like you paint like shit too anyways.

>>53470374
boot lickers, guy was god awful writter and his idea of "muh carcharodons" was fucking autistic.
>>53470410
Mindless drones liking a hack.

>>53470491
>we are not interested on making stuff from a computer game really.

They live in a bubble anon, they didnt even know about the memes in existance of DOW and Ward. They lived in the stone age.

Did they say when the new SoS models would be available?

>>53470496
you are most definitely mad.

no sane person would get that Angelos figure.

>>53468691
nice gold, is that liberator? instead of the gaudy retributor

>>53470496
anyone who bothers to brake down a post and reply every part of it is very mad.

>>53470023
Sounds like a faggot

What's the sorry behind book 8? It seems weird to have Night Lords and Daemons involved together.

>>53470642
Well, DAs started breaking Nikea edict when demons started popping up, so it's probably an independent thing.

Or it's retcon

>>53470311
Meh. I never liked the guy simply because for all the jerking off from the fanbois, his products (the books) were fucking 70 pounds and FULL of fucking mistakes. It's like he knew he could completely half ass, and people would still lap it up.
How 'future proofed' was inferno again guys?
Yeah. That's what I fucking thought.
Also his support of rampant power creep.

>>53470642
It's several different stories. One is about the Night Lords and Dark Angels fighting over Thramas. Another is the Blood Angels vs Daemons at Signus.

>>53470666
So why the fuck are you here?

>>53470496
I thought your story was fine. And I think that gay fat fuck was a hack.
But the Angelos model is fucking awful man. What the fuck is up with his huge forehead?

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>>53470597
(you)

>>53470604
>le triggered same fagg

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>>53470685
I agree, he looks like fucking Pornaleff.
I hear a lot of people are gonna bring this fact up to FW tomorrow. We should press on for them to correct those mistakes.

The fucking pidgeon symbol on the right legg and the Stupid head.

If I am going to pay an expensive price then I better get premium product. It's as if they where sabotaging this cause they hate the blood ravens hmnm.

>>53470689
dude, stop.

stop being in denial about being mad. I get it, you are mad.

>>53470674
HH wasn't always Talons lists, TS, Yiffs, and (completely broken) Mechanicum.
The lore is still pretty good (the ONE redeeming fact in 70 pounds of mistakes).
It use to pretty good... I was hoping it would jump ship to 8th. Not happy it's staying locked in the past, because FW is so bad at rules of late I don't really think they will make it better.

>>53470666
>never liked the guy simply because for all the jerking off from the fanbois,
I agree with this. His power creep was retarded and his books where always filled with mistakes. Also I never liked his fucking writting.

But what I always found to be hipocritic was the fact that he changed the name of space sharks into carcharodons.The equivalent would be like changing space wolves to just, Lupines or wolves... it's retarded dude.
Besides Carcharodons cant be trademarked nor is as recognisable as space sharks.

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>>53470704
>stop being in denial about being mad. I get it, you are mad.

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>>53470562

May as well post it

>>53470748
The fuck is this thing supposed to be?

>>53470748
CURSES!!!
I am already at 2500 points if i get this then I have to get some other tanks too. Why is every army soooooooooooo full of fun things.

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>>53470778

Pic related

>>53470836
mehh looks like shit anyways.

>>53470841
I like it, personally. I wouldn't mind running a full SoS cadre, but I doubt they're very good as a solo force.

>>53470099
i like em

>>53470099
Is it an upgrade for the plastic model or a new model entirely? If it's the former, then they probably just had to make it work, otherwise they just did whatever. Regardless, I agree with >>53470883, I like them.

>>53470704
I dont get it, you are trying to vent on that anon but you are behaving just as what you are declaring it to be.

What a retard.

>>53470906
Upgrade kit.

So the Redbook list says this for the Grenadiers squad in the Imperial Militias and Cults list:

>Unit Composition
>1 Grenadier Sergeant
>9 Grenadiers

Then:

>The squad may include: Up to eight additional Grenadiers

Then:

>The squad may be purchased an Auxilia Gorgon Heavy Transporter as a Dedicated Transport so long as it numbers 20 models strong.

So there's no way to get them a Gorgon then? Also, weird passive voice construction there.

>>53470952
It's the militia list, it's notoriously littered with errors and oversights.
That said, in this case the squad may also include two special weapon grenadiers, so you're good.

>>53471002

Fuck me, you're right. Nice catch, thanks!

MFW the Chinaman's Gorgon mold is shit.

Question: am I allowed to just take as many beasts as I want? Like, can I just take a unit with like 42 jackals with 14 meltaguns/flamers and then give them the infiltrate cadre?

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>>53471049
Pic related. Fuck.

>>53471056
>>53471049
Have you ever considered reading the page?

>>53471065
This is why I don't do shit at 6am. Thank you.

>>53470700
>Gabron Perlgelos

>>53471049
>>53471070

yah only 6. that said i gave my girls birds from a age of sigmar box. they are not as good but i love those birds. I plan on painting them black like huge ravens.

>>53470705
Hopefully 7.5 balances some of this out. Although I haven't had trouble with talons or yiffs at all.

>>53470748
I love it
it looks straight out of David Lynch's Dune

>>53471091

The birds rules are fucking garbage, though. The W3 doesn't matter because T2 means they get ID by bolters ffs, while also bringing the average T down in numbers. Meanwhile, the Jackals can potentially INCREASE the squad toughness.

Anyway, how do SoS play out in general? I'm thinking heavily about expanding mine to 30k.

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>>53470311
>>53470233
To be fair if my job was writing fluff for a hobby for nerds and I had to deal with immature and childish bullshit all day from said nerds I also wouldn't pay much attention to a jackass asking me to insert a shitty videogame chapter into my hard work.

Astartes Blanks, yes or no?

>>53471203
>The W3 doesn't matter because T2 means they get ID by bolters ffs
But that doesn't matter in 8th!
[Sobs]

I currently have a Dreadclaw and 2 normal Drop pods. This is kind of a loaded question, but what can I actually do with the normal pods? I misread before I bought and figured it was like 40k, but leaned it was a far more all or nothing kind of a deal. None of the RoW seem to be friendly towards only having 3 pods. Is my only option buying a shitload more pods?

>>53471394
Stay strong, friend. We'll get through this together.

>>53470108
A lot of people are sperging out over thunderanon being upset, but desu I'd feel pretty unhappy too. It's the dismissal that stings, and that can hurt your enthusiasm pretty bad. I'd been looking at the FW Assault Squads and Solar Auxilia models but I legit felt less motivated just reading that.

Are the Custodius Contemptors any bigger than the legion ones in straight up size? Curious because I can't find any comparative images.

>>53471203
But i want them. did you not see my Thousand sons list above? i don't do effective i do rule of cool!

>>53470496
>and your fat hack is no longer working on FW.
>celebrating somebody's death because he won't make you toys for your favourite video games

>>53470603
I googled the colours and the retributor spray looks pretty much exactly like real gold? Maybe slightly less vivid (which could be fixed by a quick yellow wash) but otherwise very close.

>>53471373
If they're outcasts or it's a result of their geneseed deterioating, maybe. Try to keep them from being Sues and you're good. I played around with the concept a few years ago but I kept doing stupid and OP shit with them.

>>53470099
>John Woo sisters of silence
I can dig it

I may as well post in honour of the dead,

I met Alan a good couple years back when the Monstrous Arcanum Warhammer Forge book was released. It was a Warhammer world open day, and I'd gone with a friend.

Alan was sat doing signings and Q&As before the main talk, which was almost totally dominated by Horus Heresy chatter, so i figured id talk about the things WHFB 8th had released recently. Namely Thamurkhan and the Throne of Chaos.

In his own words, he loved the expansion of the Warhammer fantasy universe. Covering parts of the map, races and armies that previously were defined only by a rough throw away description. It was the first time in a long time that Cathay was mentioned in any detail, and the return of the Chaos Dwarves. ,

Hell, same day i asked if there was any chance in hell we'd see a return of the Dogs of War, or even Albion, considering the Fimir had previously been hinted with the Storm of Magic book. But the commentary was dominated by the HH, and shit like the Minotaurs or whatever the fuck Alpharius was doing.

Just know guys, Alan's reach was beyond 30k, fantasy bros will be sad to see him go too.

>i had one douchebag friend who bought Monstrous Arcanum that day and found a typo within the first hour, took the book to Alan to quantify it, and that will be his lasting memory.

Oh the times we live in.

How far are we on HH timeline by the end of book 6? I know book 7 is pre heresy.

Also, how pre heresy is battle of prospero? After davin at least?

>>53471631
>Fantasy
>In muh 30K

>:(

>>53471685
Definitely after Davin but before Istvaan III.

>>53471685
>battle of prospero near the ass end of the heresy
>pre-heresy

Did you even try reading anything about the lore? By the time the Battle of Prospero happened the Horus Heresy was almost over and had been going on for awhile.

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>>53471507
Keep in mind that the Achillus is on a base, and standing on top on some shit, so they're probably a pretty similar height

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>>53471796
>filename

The Wolves spent much of the rest of the Heresy fighting on the main lines, out and away from Terra, although they suffered devastating losses at Alaxxes and then again at Yarant

>>53471796
Kek.

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>>53471870

Or maybe the heresy had already broken out and been ongoing. Sorry that your headcanon is garbage and false.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy_Timeline

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>>53471914
>that pic
>headcannon

>>53471914
IIRC book 7 stated that transition was ongoing from Luna Wolves to Sons of Horus by the time of Prospero. So I'm not so sure about that part.

>>53471870
So HH game is not even got to the Molech yet?

>>53471914
So this pic >>53471870 says.
>Prospero happened in 005.M31, before the heresy got going
And to prove how wrong it is, (You) post a link saying
>nuh-uh! it acktually happened in 005.M31, before the heresy got going!

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>>53471924
>>53471951

Kill yourselves. Earlier in the timeline it says the Horus Heresy happened. By no logic is the battle of Prospero pre-heresy. Take your headcanon and neck yourself.

>>53471983
Motherfucker you said the battle happened on the tail end of the Heresy when it had been going on for a while. Yet you posted a pic that confirmed the battle occurred in the first year, just like what the other anons pic says. You're a god damn moron.

>>53471990
I was wrong about it being at the end, but that doesn't make your retarded bullshit about it being pre-heresy valid.

Or are you such a fucking mongoloid that you think Istvaan, the biggest fucking incident in the heresy and kicked it off is "before the heresy kicked off?"

Get a grip on reality, you shamefully ignorant cunt.

>>53472006
> Istvaan, the biggest fucking incident in the heresy
>What is Terra

>>53471983
All I'm seeing is that Istvaan and Prospero both happened in 005.M31, not that one happened earlier than the other bucko.

>>53472006
Dude not even the guy who said pre heresy I'm just a bystander laughing at your fucking stupidity.

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>>53471983
Prospero happened early.
Magnus is talking to Lorgar during the Shadow Crusade. Russ meets up with Dorn after Alaxxes. Hell, there is a second battle for Prospero, in which the White Scar duel the Death Guard.

>>53472017
Lots of thing can happen in single year IMO

And yes I think GW/FW time scale is fucked up.

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>>53472014
>takes my argument out of context to strawman that i called it the biggest incident in the entire heresy and not just saying it started it all just to cover up his stupidity that he thought the battle of prospero was pre-heresy

Say what you want, I was wrong but at least I knew it happened during the HH. You didn't even know that much.

Jesus, people here haven't even read Book 7, the one about the Wolves. Russ put together a manual on how to kill marines following his experiences fighting them on Prospero, and gave it to Horus, because he was the Warmaster and had no concept that he could be anything other than loyal.

005.M31 on the timeline is 1/3 The Great Crusade and 2/3 The Horus Heresy. I assume that Destruction of Prospero is set on the 1/3 part and Isstvan III is set on 2/3 part of the year?

>>53472017
Then take your fat fucking ass over to the link I provided where said battle takes place during the heresy, not before. A timeline and order based on canon sources rather than your asshole.

>>53471870
What do the different colours represent?

>>53472050
I'm a different anon, anon. No strawmanning here, your exact words were "Or are you such a fucking mongoloid that you think Istvaan, the biggest fucking incident in the heresy and kicked it off is "before the heresy kicked off?""

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>>53472034
Book 6 timeline places Propero before Isstvan.

>>53472070
I think it very roughly shows how they're grouped in the books. For example, all those yellow ones are in Conquest, and all those ork green ones are in Extermination

>>53472092
Out of curiosity, do we have Great Crusade timeline like this somewhere?

>>53471815
Thanks anon, I like the way the Achillius looks and i was thinking about converting one to work as a counts-as Leviathan for my double duty Black Legion / Justarian SoH Army

>>53472069
>lexicanum
>canon
Nice try.

>>53472125
>wiki page cites sources and orders events as they are in canon, with the battle of prospero coming during the heresy
>lel idc my headcanon is better XD

And I'm done. If your argument is "im ignoring it because muh headcanon", then you lose. You are pathetic. At least I admitted when I was wrong about when it happened, you just do the internet equivalent of shitting your pants and autistically screeching that GW has a different order of events than what you made up in your head.

>>53472115
Custodanon here, I think you might struggle. The leviathan is a really huge frame and I don't know that you could fit the Lev weapon on the Achillus frame. Also some rules lawyers would probably get up you about the bulk difference. That said, I reckon if you have a cool idea definitely have a go

>>53472153
>actual red books say something different to wiki
>lol the wiki must be right
See, I can do it too.

>>53472153
>lexicanum is objective and up to date with the latest and most accurate sources
>ignore all the sources directly from the books, like >>53472092, because of "muh lexicanon"

Goodbye.

>>53472153
See >>53472092
The wiki is, as usual, wrong

>>53471870
Wait the whole Heresy only lasted 7 years? Lame.

>>53472161
>>53472163
>>53472164
>The Fall of Prospero, also referred to as the Scouring of Prospero, the Burning of Prospero and the Battle of Prospero, was the name given by later Imperial scholars to the sanctioned Imperial military reprisal against the Thousand Sons Legion of Space Marines' homeworld of Prospero at the start of the Horus Heresy in the early 31st Millennium.

>at the start of the Horus Heresy

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Fall_of_Prospero

Cry harder, faggots. Or are both wikis which cite GW wrong? Because clearly your headcanon and fanfiction determine
when events happen rather than GW.

>>53472204
imagine being this retarded

Pretty unpleasant thread today desu

>>53472222
Yes. Leave him be, he has nothing more but trolling.

>>53472222
>several sources all say it happened during the HH
>"WAHHHHHHH NO! MY FANFICTION SAYS IT DIDNT!"

Imagine being this much of a butthurt bitch after being proven wrong.

>>53472231
At least it's on the topic of HH rather than tripfags, waifus or whatever k-raaaaazy stuff GW's up to this week.

>>53468566

Everybody here happy that HH is sticking with 7E?

I always said 7E was a good edition, what ruined it was all the formations in the codex's. It always worked fine in HH because FW kept it manageable.

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>>53472235
How is it trolling? Every source I cited said it took place during the HH. Every source I cited cited GW. So show me how that is trolling.

I don't give a fucking shit what BL said, what your friends said, what your fanfiction says, or what your ass says. GW is the arbiter of what is or is not canon and clearly the battle of prospero took place during the HH to them. Every source says so. So either provide a refutation to how I'm wrong (and GW by extension since I'm repeating what their shit says) or shut the fuck up.

^ Kek

>>53472303
There's a lot of bloat to the rules and certain aspects need looking at and fixing but if FW actually put some effort into their AOD rulebook and tweak it to work for 30k then I wouldn't be overly butthurt. I expect to be disappointed though.

>>53472351
So, you're just a troll then. I posted a direct quote that stated the battle took place at the start of the Horus Heresy.

You tell me how the fuck the battle took place pre-heresy when it is stated to be at the start of the heresy. It can't be pre-heresy when it took

>>53472397
place during the heresy. Basic logic.

>>53472303
Eh, I wouldn't mind 8e. Would make many vehicles much more usable, help deal with various multi-wound units and make guns not be just either low AP death machines or spam as much shots as you can down range to swamp the enemy in armour saves.

>>53472303
No, I'm very disappointed with the decision.

>>53472430
Lets face it, purely because FW can't get 8e rules out in any reasonable time frame and with 7e rulebooks out of production, people won't have any official source for said rules. I can't imagine FW just sticking with 7e for all time.

>>53472447

I think they'll basically finish HH V1 in 7E.

Switching is just too complex. They'll invalidate all those expensive as fuck black books they've made over the years.

Once it's finished they might do an abridged version for 8th edition.

>>53472481
Those black books are already invalidated, ever since we switched from 6e to 7e. Not to forget all the changed red books make to lists and units from the black books. Looks at all the IA books. First ones came out like in 4e and they've just kept releasing new ones with current edition rules ever since. Sometimes updating the older books as compilations of rules (sticking all the Guard shit that came after IA vol. 1 into 2e IA vol. 1, etc.)

If they wanted to keep HH pure and not change anything, they should have stuck with 6e rules, not switch to 7e.

>>53470720
isnt their name astra carcharodons

>>53472338
Do you know what primary source and secondary source is?

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>>53472616
Isn't that just a Land Raider with a turret? Tracks don't have the wedge.

>>53472615
I do. And the wikis cite primary sources. Since when is Black Library fanfiction a primary source?

>>53470099
I never understood the point of this unit. Why get rid of the boltgun for two pistols?

>>53472678
Because you want to double tap before charging in.

>>53472064
Have you read book 7? Because Russ wrote that after fighting a campaign alongside the DAngles and [redacted]

>>53472687
But why assault with them when you have Vigilators? It always seemed like Prosecutors were supposed to be objective holders.

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>>53472659
Not arguing here, but isn't BL confirmed canon? You know, everything is canon, nothing is true?

Or did Fortreidon kill his comrade for nothing?

>>53472687
>charging into melee with a ranged weapon

>>53472659
Please enlighten me. What is your primary source that wiki's cited when Forge World, Games Workshop's sub-company's official Black Book contents are not?

Can you at least copy and paste the reference on your wiki?

>>53472729
You're very proud of that unimpressive mini aren't you?

>>53472739
Yeah, absolutely. With a CCW of your choice on the squad leader and a paragon blade on the attached Knight-Centura.
Not possible after firing rapid weapons, but totally legit after gunslinging pistols.
That's why.

>>53472755
Why yes, I am. I'm quite happy with the way he looks and, if nothing else, signing my posts with the odd Iron Warrior is my way of paying tribute to the mighty EC-anon.

Feel free to post your own minis or lists, discussing such glories is why I'm here (rather than to shout about changes and fighting to the death over minute differences in lore).

Well, my DG friend has picked up a Leviathan and an Achilles from WHfest. How the hell do you reliably kill the fatty dreads, anon? Other than lucky meltabomb hits a la Winters, of course. A Droplite squad doesn't quite do it, maybe Krios tanks?

Running Terror Assault ROW with 4 Terror squads armed with volkite. If I go 2nd am I best outflanking them rather than infiltrating? I'd have enough other units on the board to stop myself being tabled in the first couple of turns

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Just read the Tempest Galleries fluff.
>Urge to Release the Kraken intensifies.

What rules would you even use for that thing, it singlehandedly BTFO fifteen thousand Astartes.

>>53473370
>Tempest Galleries
No it didn't? Loads died to all sorts of other threats, not least their surroundings (which cost something like 4000 Astartes before the battle even began).

>>53473613
The AI as a whole, not just the monster-thing. 4/5 made it to the Galleries, so sixteen thousand, then they met the DAoT bots and got the shit kicked out of them, and then a thousand made it out. Given there was a massive cataclysm probably a few less than that were actually killed, but that's still an impressive tally.

>>53473654
Ah, got it.
Yeah, the Unification Era is the best. I can see why people insist on proxying Thunder Warriors, I just wish they'd do a better job of it.

>>53473007
>signing my posts
Fuck, not another one.

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>>53473716
Look at it this way. At least I'm unnamed.

>>53473713
Yeah. The Ironclads of Old Albion, the Ethnarch, everything there I would like to see expanded, but the problem would be they'd never do it without spending the entire time describing exactly how every enemy reacted to/contributed to/got wrecked by the Astartes and the TW.
If they did that setting properly, I'd set it before the Emperor's rise, so we can enjoy all these awesome empires beating away at each other. 40k meets Fallout.
If anything, the Thunder Warriors are the single most boring plot thread of the whole thing, aside from maybe the Custodes. I would totally play a Blackshields or Solar Auxilia Unification army. Use a lot of Charonites and Lasrifle Sections with big tank LoWs and Void Shield Generators over the top.

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>>53473797
I think the Emperor's faction should still be available, but like - Custodes are extremely expensive and quite fragile (no pimparmour yet), Thunder Warriors are hardy but come with bolters only making them highly inflexible. both these units are restricted, 0-1 Custodes 0-3 Thunder Warriors. HQ options are Hetaeron, token Thunder Warrior and a normal human general. Female to alleviate the sausage-party? Special Characters are Malcador, Constantin and a thunder warrior

Astartes come in small units and have access to various forms of DAoT fuckery.

The rest of the army is made up of Conscript-tier infantry and all sorts of crazy stuff in FA and HS, with the Emperor as a Lord of War.

Something like that.

>>53473748
>looks at it this way, at least I'm not a BIG pile of shit
Yeah m8 you're still a pile of shit.

>>53473892
Yeah, that works. Old Albion is represented pretty damn well with the Aux list, actually, but the Ethnarch could do with their own custom list, since they're the speedy elite bastards with serious shooty. Glass Cannon Mechanicum, basically. I just want a Volkite Shotgun, honestly.

DaoT robots as their own list or something else?

>>53473892
>>53473957
You'd need something pretty beefy to represent the fucked up leaders you got during old night.

>>53470220
Pride of the Legion is doing basically nothing for you here. Since you're already doing two squads of terminators, why not do Court of the Crimson King?

>>53473926
I's say something about preferring the taste of shit to that of salt, but... weeell...

Seriously, what's the deal with hating named posters anyway? The only explanation I've seen during my time as a lurker is that they have a tendency to veer off-point with stuff like "going to bed now, bye" and "what should I eat for lunch?"

I'm doing none of that. The nature of my posts haven't changed since before I started posting pictures and frankly I don't see why I shouldn't.

>>53473957
I get the impression different factions used DaoT robots, so maybe their robots look different and have different stats/uses? Some are like Castellax, others more marine-like, some LoW would wreck Titans and maybe even Ordinati.

The same could be said for the various gene-forged warriors duking it out. Some are humans +1 stat, some are Astartes-stats, others (like the Thunder Warriors and those used by the Ethnarch) would be superiour in strength and toughness, have their gear determined by their faction, but suffer some flaw otherwise.

Then there are the various witch-factions. I'm thinking loads of MS 1-2 psykers using dangerous powers but losing a model or two to increased Perils every turn?

Let's not forget the crazy weird tech they had. Maybe elite units can choose/build their own gear, represented by conversions? Very powerful but absurdly expensive, to represent that while most factions didn't have enough stuff to pimp out their common footsoldiers, what they did have was frankly arcane in what it could do?

>>53472303
It's gonna be bad for a few reasons. First is that it's going to split the community, making HH even harder to get into. Second is that 7th has about twenty years of rules bloat baked into it at this point, I was looking forward to a refresh to get games shrunk down in terms of the time cost. Third, I was looking forward to the move stat coming back as an additional way to balance things.

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>>53472616
>Land Raider with a turret
Step it up brother

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>>53473926
>>53474098
Fuck it have a CSM boxnaught you mangy cur

>>53474027
Thing is people can be fucked up in lots of ways, and from what we've seen in existing lore my interpretation is that most tyrants were sociopaths and, for the few truly deadly ones, either psykers or gene-wrought monsters. In MoM there is a scene after a battle with... can't remember whom, and their leader is forced to kneel by a few Custodes, so the base stats for an unaugmented human ruler would be fairly base, I'm thinking, with maybe some horrific special rules to pick and choose from.

I'm talking about choosing a lot of stuff here, but what I want to really rub in is just how disparate the factions were. Frankly they could be represented fairly well with existing rules (30K and 40K to mix things up, like DEldar or Tau) and a mix of GW minis and Third Party stuff, but... It kind of lacks flavour compared to a whole setting, you know?

>>53474161
Conversions don't count.

>>53474098
I would make a kind of generic list akin to MaC, but with a set of build-your-own units - stupidly large numbers of wargear options, but they get exponentially more expensive. Pick a leader type to theme the whole army Provenance style, get your statline and equipment list for your basic troops and tanks and such built in. They're always the same cost bar unique upgrades like IH graviton guns or Tainted Weapons, it's just a statline choice.

For elites, give them a truly stupendous list of wargear options, but make the costs increase the more you buy. Buy basic vets affected by your Theme choice, give them jump packs for for 20 per five, then the +1T costs 30/5, 40/5 for FnP and so on. Durability, Cost, Dakka, Speed, pick two. Have something similar going on for elite tonks and melee heavies a la Ogryns.

Same for the Lord of War - get a basic vehicle chassis, make it a Walker or a flyer, buy hardpoints and weapons, pick engrams for combat specialty, transport cap, reserves/morale buffs, all kinds of stuff.

Are we 100% sure we won't get updated to 8th? I thought that after Angelus we would get a new red book

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>>53474335
That looks good. It doesn't eliminate the build-your-weapon idea either, that could be reserved to HQ or single-model units a-la assassins, duellists and so on.

>>53471410

Anyone? Legit curious

>>53474488
What legion are you, what rite are you looking at running, how much do you dislike the thought of buying three more claws from china?

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>>53474488
You could special weapon squads in them? Flamers will wreck infantry and pile up wounds even on other marines, Plasma and Melta will almost always be useful (though pricey).

Alternatively stick two minimum-sized despoiler squads in them with some upgrades for the Sergeant and call it a day. They'll be decent at harassment and won't utterly destroy your budget.

>>53474483
Yeah, pretty much. The MaC Force Commander works pretty well, just add a boosted statline for each Theme and some corresponding advanced wargear options.

Personally I kinda want to try a squad of deepstriking glass cannon dakka drones. They each have a Heavy Weapon or similar, 4++, shitty statline bar good BS and Relentless, they deepstrike and are immobile, and if they would have to take a Morale Check they warp off again and deepstrike immediately with Mishaps being ID, so they need to be properly managed to get in good positions and then the enemy either needs to maneuver to block DS and then kill them by popping Warp Protocols with some small squad or overkill them to a suitable degree. Just some random idea I came up with.

>>53472687
Because unlike 8th, you can't assault after firing rapid fire.

Now that 8th is happening they will be able to shoot them while locked in CC too during their shooting

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>>53474479
Yes we're sure. A new red book, but a modified version of 7th.

>>53470108

Where are you from exactly?

>>53474566
Not bad, I could see something like that being used on Terra.

There's something about the Solar Auxilia that to me scream ore Unification than Great Crusade. If this setting ever got published (and unless some spectacular minis got published for it) I'd probably use some chinese Auxilia to represent the lower end of gene-crafted soldiers.

>>53474593
That's what I was saying, about RF as opposed to two pistols. Learn to read.

>>53474161
>not even my final form
>three twin-linked lascannons mounted in the towers
>four twin-linked lascannons mounted in the side sponsons
>Land Raider Terminus Maximus

>>53474912
>Not even my final form
>Four tri-linked assault 2 lascannons on the top turrets
>twin-linked laser destroyers on the sponsons and "fron turret"
>Land Raider Maximus Decimus Meridius

>>53474717
why exactly do SA scream unification to you?

they're void troops, explictly created post-unification and based on warriors from Saturn

>>53471219
And so you would get cancer and die too.

>>53475012
I know, it's more their appearance. Their void-suits look kind of like steam-punk biohazard suits with some protection for radiation thrown in, you know? veterans of extensive nuclear and viral warfare, sort of thing.

They look really baroque in a steampunk way and for me that's one of the defining features of how the anarchy of Old Night ravaged Terra before the Emperor arose to dominance.

Ghost Bligh calls you up and says that he will use his dark powers to make ONE change of your choice to the version of the 7th ed rules coming out. However, your decision cannot force a rewrite of any of the existing list options, for Bligh loves the people who own his books too much. How do you alter 7th for a more enjoyable game experience?

>>53471527
He said he dont work there anymore.
How is that celebrating?

I guess you got really mad at anon huh?

>>53475110
ahh fair enough then, that makes sense

>>53475132
Thousand Sons peril on a 2D6 roll of 53 or less

>>53475161
Their lore is plenty cool, mind you, and there is a lot of space for interplanetary battles before the Unification (in fact, I'd probably go with them in such a setting) but their general appearance suits Old Terra quite well.

>>53472034
Shadow crusade was such a retarded idea.
ADB came up with it cause he hated smuefs and wanted to write mary sues.

>>53472338
Prospero burned cause Magnus told the emprah that horus sas bad and Emprah got pissed cause "how can my favorite be bad?"

So that means the heresy was in the mot early stages of happening. Not ongoing

>>53475155
>he said
>not I said
>maybe if I act like I'm somebody else I can make that anon look really silly! That might work!

>>53475132
Change to 8th

>>53472580
That rename it's just straight out pretentious.

What's wrong with space sharks? Why change it? I dont get it?

>>53470720
>But what I always found to be hipocritic was the fact that he changed the name of space sharks into carcharodons
I've been salty since the 90's: the post.
It's a cooler name than "Animals from X"
>Besides Carcharodons cant be trademarked nor is as recognisable as space sharks.
Astra means star, Carcharodon is for sharks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_white_shark

>>53475275
Prospero burned because of Magnus' Folly and the fact that Horus fucked with Russ' orders.

>>53475325
Too many street shark jokes probably

>>53470700
He looks like "Son, I'm dissapoint".

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>>53475325
"Space [PREDATORY ANIMAL]" is a shit naming scheme. If the Space Wolves weren't so recognisable and identifiable as one of the main flagship chapters they'd probably change that, too.

Carcharodons sounds a lot less silly.

>>53475338
>carcharodon
Its a genus for shark, not actual shark you dummie!

Then again it's a pompus namw change. You have a cheesy setting and a chapter called space wolves. So why bot space sharks?

This is just so pretentious, like wanting to sound al sci-fi with the cool kids rather than being what you are.

>>53475384
>less silly
>40k its built over silly names

You see the hipocresy here?
You change something cheesy and recognisable into just a generic typo that cant even be trade IP'd

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I finally figured out which cross the Imperials use. It's the Maltese cross.
>>53475382
Very nice there, Anon. I'd fortify a position with those marines.

>>53475413
holy shit, learn to spell!

>>53475448
That isn't what hypocrisy means anon, and I disagree with you.

Carcharadons sounds better than spessfish, and 40K taking itself seriously isn't new. It hasn't bren for well over a decade.

>>53475456
>I finally figured out which cross the Imperials use. It's the Maltese cross.

I'm sure mom is very proud of you.

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>>53472108
This and the one anon posted in >>53472092

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>>53475495
Maybe to you latin sounds exotic cause of your language. Bur to me it sounds completely silly. It is just insipid, simoleton and lacks identity

Basically your whole argument sums up to being subjective.

When someone says space sharks you know about what they are talking about. When they say carcharodons you get to think they are talking about the actual genus of animals.

And what foes taking itself serious has to do with not being cheesy? Just look at every space marine name.
Ultramarine - an actual color
"Insert color - angels

> space fishy
>charcharodons

So space fishy is worst than just a fishy? Thats fucking bias and hipocrecy anon.

>>53472281
I grew displeased with BL raping the fluff, FW models trampled on Visions, immense power creep, and books with mistakes, but I'll take tripfagging and waifus any day over people saying how dead people broke their dreams and fighting about the accuracy of the wikis when even BL struggles to keep their shit consistent.
>>53472303
7E needed a change, and a few months ago we wanted FW to get independent rules. I liked 8E's save system but disliked the lack of facings. If 7.5E grabs the best of both parts and is truly tailored for 30k, I'll embrace it
Which means it'll probably grab the WORST of both parts

>>53475591
Basically your whole argument sums up to being subjective.

>>53475685
>disliked the lack of facings

It's not a bad idea as long as it'd be consistent. But when you can just change a walker to an MC and suddenly they don't have to give a damn about where they're getting shot at and which way their guns were pointed, it just penalizes one unit over the other.

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>>53475591
I legit don't know where to begin responding.

It isn't that Latin sounds exotic, it's that I like the "karrtcharadon" sound a lot more.

I don't think anyone talking about 40K will start to think "why is this guy talking about animals" if you call them Carcharadons.

As for my arguments being nothing more than "hipocrecy", fucking bias and totally subjective, fuck off. There's no need to be insulting anon, but if you insist then fine. I think it's pretty fucking rich for a mongoloid who can't even muster the intellect to use a spellchecker to call others out on perceived bias and then go on to do the exact same thing in his own post.

As for cheesy =/= talking itself seriously, this should be blatantly obvious to anyone who thinks for even a second. Talking yourself seriously means you try to weed out ridiculous lore that sounds like it was written by a retarded five-year old as often as you can. Space Wolves are actually Vlka Fenryka. The Emperor isn't so attached to his sons/tools/whatever that he lets himself get crippled after they kill hundreds of trillions of the people he is trying to save, including several other Primarchs. The Thousand Sons aren't 100% innocent blameless victims, but rather dangerously deluded as to the true nature of the Warp. Perturabo has a victim complex the size of the fucking sun, and piss poor control of his temper. You get the idea.

Let my apothecaries wash your salt away, anon.

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>>53475413
I could swear I wrote the word "genus"! Squalo is latin for shark, galeas is greek.
> You have a cheesy setting and a chapter called space wolves. So why bot space sharks?
Because space wolves is a shitty name as well. What's wrong with latinized eglish in Latinized English - the setting?
>It's pretentious
Only if you get impressed by it, which is better than outright dumb.
We're in an impass of "stop liking what I don't like", and it's obvious neither of us is going to. So cling to your space wolves, while I celebrate the Carcharodons Astra.

>>53475750
Oddly, it seems to be a lot worse in 40k. In 30k, I'm fucking terrified of Dreads because they will munch my Castellax right up and we can't retaliate very well against AV12. In 40k, they're about the least threatening things going because Grav and Haywire leave them sitting there without legs the moment they come within LoS.

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>>53475591
What's your language? I've always mantained OBVIOUSNESS is the worst attribute in 40k names, and using the scientific names and lanitized versions of spess animemes is a good way of solving that issue.
t. Shaitan of Morgningstar

>>53475750
I was more focused on things where facings represent a much bigger difference like Predator tanks, but I suppose this will tackle 40k's problem of MCs vs walkers.

>>53475591
It's worse in English because we have the phrase "jumping the shark": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

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>>53476142
Jumping, the shark
We should stop triggering anon. Getting mad isn't constructive for an argument, less so here in the 4chinz

>>53475591
jesus what is it with 4chan and "my subjective opinion is fact, you're not allowed to disagree"

>>53475132
Feel no pain is a save and is cancelled out by AP 1 or 2.

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>>53475132
8E'S SAVE SYSTEM

>>53476401
Can I ask why, by the way? Is it just to fuck over Smashfucker, or is there some kind of minmax FnP WE build I'm unaware of?

>>53476450
Probably to fuck with people putting Apothecaries and Primus Medicae in blobs and deathstars

>>53476441
This basically. It's the one bit from 8th that genuinely feels like something that would boost my enjoyment of the game no matter what.

>>53476450
The AP canceling can be taken out and just make it be a save so some things bypass it but it's the fact that it can't be gotten rid of and seeing apothecaries in almost every unit gets annoying.

>>53476519
>>53476555

I see your point. Personally I do my Deathstar Killan with artillery anyway because Reductor, but it is a little odd to see three squads of Vets all loaded up Red Scorpions style with Apothecaries.

Speaking of killing boring deathstars, what's your preferred method? There's so many here I have it down to a fine art - Droplites kill the Spartan, artillery clears out termies and the Myrmidons execute the Primarch once he slogs a little closer.

>>53476636
10 Iron Havocs with lascannons and augury scanning Interceptor. With BS 5, Tank Hunter and lowering enemy cover saves by 1 they wreck face, all for the low low price of 465 points.

>>53476636
Orbital bombardment.

>>53476734
>10 Iron Havocs with lascannons and augury scanning
That really works?
>>53476636
Excellent mothod, anon. Very complete.
If the deathstar lacks a Primarch and is Cataphracti, Grav Secutors would kite them forever.

>>53475325
>>53475591
Are you just dense or are you also fucking stupid? Almost every single Space Marine chapter name references something in an attempt to be 2kool4school. Really. Spend some time re-reading the 18 Legions names, and then go through a list of SM Chapters to refamiliarize yourself with how bloody silly some of these names really are. That said, some go harder than others in their attempts to be extra cool, i.e. the Carcharadons. I don't know what country you're from, but in the English speaking world, the only people that are going to recognize what the actual word Carcharadon means are marine biologists. Anything more complicated than '(insert variety here) shark' is totally lost on the vast majority of people.

At the end of the day, it's still a reference to what the chapter is supposed to represent. The name change was likely two fold. First, it is so it wouldn't be a repeat of Space Wolves, since Space (insert thing here) was cool in the 80s, but lost its flame in the following decades, and GW has been trying to distance themselves from it ever since. They can't change the Space Wolves because of how damn popular they are (though they did toss them a 'bone' by giving them their 'true name', Vlka Fenryka. Second, it serves as a better connector to the chapter. Because they're not being related to just any kind of sharks, they're being related to Carcharadons, which are held firmly in the public's mind as powerful bloodthirsty killers (although scientifically speaking that's completely incorrect). Is it fucking silly? Of course it is. Does it hit the nail right on the head? Yes, probably even a little too hard. Does it sound better than Space Sharks? Yes, unless we're all planning to go back in time and relive the 80s. Whether or not you like it doesn't mean a damn thing, especially if you can't put together a sensible argument against it.

>>53469870
I can only assume your some kind of autismal fuckhead because every time I met / spoke to the guy he had been great. Just go watch any of the seminars he's spoken at - he had genuine passion for for the heresy and all the lore etc.

Credentials: Been to the past 3 Horus Heresy Weekenders, had a few drinks with him , asked him questions in passing at WHW etc.

>>53476806
By their own they struggle against many enemies. Their value lies in the fact that they can, with a little luck, kill a Spartan in a single turn, or gut a squad of Terminators, or knock wounds of Primarchs, or otherwise make the Deathstar vulnerable to, say, a 10 strong unit of Havocs with Missile Launchers, an assault by wolverine terminators with 2 heavy flamers, or a Fury of the Legion from a 20-strong blob.

Iron Warriors win their wars by winning small battles, battles won by carefully stacking the odds in their favour for each individual skirmish. Focus them down until their ability to resist in a meaningful way is crippled and then move on.

Granted, more than once this has bit me in the ass as devastated units surprise me, but hey - I have a lot of fun roleplaying My Dudes :)

>>53476867
>(though they did toss them a 'bone' by giving them their 'true name', Vlka Fenryka.

Nah, that was just a case of a BL faggot thinking the setting was too silly. Vlka Fenryka is infinitely worse than Space Wolves.

>>53476749
What from, can I ask. Would be funny. Primarch lands, gets ready to go and somehow make a real dent in a planetary empire by punching things and then gets summarily obliterated by orbital fire due to the defenders not being idiots.

>>53476734

Well, it's cheaper than the 890 pt Archmagos Archimandrite + 3 Gravidons in kitted-out Macrocarid that I go with, although to be fair that's also giving me 2+ rerollable reserves, 4 Occularis and IWND on every vehicle, which is pretty shiny. I like that that also lets me split things up into three or four terrifying units, a round of surgical tools like Droplites and a big cloud of bullet sponges. I call it the plum pudding army.

>>53476806

Primarchs don't normally do too much better, since artillery strikes normally beat them down to the point that 12-13 AP2 wounds will do for them nicely, or at least make them have to fuck off or take a desperate charge into 10 PE powerfist attacks.

>>53476924
Different anon here.
Like I said, I grew dissapointed with FW powercreep, mistake-ridden books, questionable minis and making modelers decide things and having rulewriters follow instead of the other way around.
Honest question, who is to blame for all that? If it wasn't Bligh the head, then whoever was still remains and the boss isn't around anymore to check on that.

>>53476986
>Well, it's cheaper than the 890 pt Archmagos Archimandrite + 3 Gravidons in kitted-out Macrocarid that I go with
Why must they be so expemsive :'(
Mechanicum can counter everything...if given like 7000pts. I can understand the Imperium's hunger for resources.

>>53476986
Hoho, that sounds damn terrifying. I thought my list was pretty gut but if the rest of your army is anything like it I'd get obliterated

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>>53476982
>The . Void wolf
Wolf stuff is overplayed, so I'd rather have their names in norsetalk. The Imperium still calls them Space Wolves, so it's ok.

>>53477082
>I'd rather have their names in norsetalk.

I wouldn't. No one can actually pronounce it without sounding like they're having an aneurysm.

>>53477082
Attractive yiffs anger me.

>>53477018

So true. When you get the time to plan counter-strategies and get units in place though, they just roll through fucking everything. I think this is why we never see slugging-match battles with them in, if you hang around too long with Mechanicum armies mobilizing they can and will fuck you up royally, but surgical strikes work very well in disrupting the seamless machine thing they've got going on. A Mech fleet with Astartes or Custodes rapid-response teams for stuff like that would be terrifying, since you can throw a geared army of Astartes into pretty much anything and have decent odds of at least buying the time you need.

>>53477027

It is pretty dickhead mode, I will admit. I only go full asshole if I'm playing the resident UM Spartanstar with 2x10 Suzies, big blob of terms with Guilliman, quad-mortar phosphex and such, OR when I've blown 1000pts of my 4k army on a Stormbird and need to get back up to par.

In really chill games the Archmagos becomes Satarael, I dump a billion points on upgrades for my Thallax, take upgraded Adsecs instead of Levies and sink points into the arty I swapped for Basilisks instead of Medusae. Hoplites are gone entirely.

Medium games I get the Levies back, but with Cult Horde/Cyber-Augmented instead of Rending/Fear/FnP, the Medusae are back and the Hoplites are there but footslogging and I still pointsink into stuff.

Max dickishness is what I described. What is your army? Quite a few Astartes builds can do some serious damage, I don't like aircraft very much because the Hoplites and at 3k the Lightning Fighter will kill one tops with luck each, a good FoTL can rip my tarpits to bits because I have to move at you and charge whenever possible so we get Overwatched a lot. Imp Fists and Raven Guard are my bane.

>>53477121
Do you really want to have Wolflord Wolfbane Wolfson or would you rather have Thorfinn Karlsefni Þórðarson?

>>53477121
Kek, you're probably one of those who can't pronounce Lugft Huron's name.
Do you really prefer them having Great Wolves, Wolf Lords, Wolf Guard and Wolf Priestsinstead of Jarls, Varagyr, Hersires, Huskarls and Speakers of the Dead?
Well if you like it you like it, anon, can't do anything about that. I thought you, as a native speaker, wouldn't have a hard time pronouncing all that.
https://www.howtopronounce.com/finnish/vlka-fenryka/

>>53477210
My dudes are 2500 points of Iron Warriors without a RoW. For smaller games I shave off a unit or two (usually the terminators). I've been considering dumping the 5 strong unit of Havocs for 5 more plasmaguns and 5 flamers, and maybe some upgrades spread through the force. Havocs are good but fragile, so large units+apothecaries help mitigate that.

HQ:
"Salty" Jago Keck, Legion Centurion, volkite charger
- 60 points

Legion Centurion, Legion Vigilator Consul
- 85 points

Elites:
Legion Terminator Squad, 10x Cataphractii Terminators, lightning claw on Sergeant, 2x Terminators w. heavy flamer & single lightning claw, 7x pairs of lightning claws
- 465 points

Apothecarion Detachment, 2x Apothecary
- 90 points

Apothecarion Detachment, 2x Apothecary
- 90 points

Troops:
Legion Tactical Squad, 20x Legionnaires
- 225 points

Legion Tactical Squad, 20x Legionnaires
- 225 points

Legion Tactical Support Squad, 5x plasma gun
- 175 points

Heavy Support:
Iron Havoc Support Squad, 10x Havocs, 10x lascannon
- 460 points

Iron Havoc Support Squad, 5x Havocs, 5x lascannon
- 260 points

Iron Havoc Support Squad, 10x Havocs, 10x missile launcher, augury scanner on Sergeant
- 365 points

I'm confident in my ability to at least give a fair fight to all but the cheeziest Legion lists at that points level, barring awful luck. The other factions I don't know a lot about (minus Talons, who I think I could take (I am deluding myself)), so any General, Admiral and Magos is welcome to rip me to shreds here.

>>53477485
I've always liked renaming Lone Wolves to Einherjar, it just fits so well.

>>53477501
Yeah this is probably a fine list against people who aren't doing wildly alternate deployments like Orbital Assault or Sacrificial Offering.

>>53477210
>A Mech fleet with Astartes or Custodes rapid-response teams for stuff like that would be terrifying
Mechanicum anvils with deepstriking termies as the hammer would be pretty darn dangerous. Imagine the Reductor advancing towards you like they don't care, and suddenly Golg's terminators are doing a Macross missile crisis on your side.

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>>53477554
>Einherjar
HNNNNNNNG damn nice. I didn't remember who had been assigned that name, thanks for reminding me.

>>53477501
Yeah, I'm just looking at that and cringing in pain. That will rip my Macrocarid and Arty tanks to tiny pieces in short order and then bolter the tarpits off the board, well done. A tad slow, but I'm not exactly White Scars here either. Might want to get a rhino for the Plasma Supps, because if there's clouds of marines standing everywhere they're just begging to be barraged turn two. My list hasn't got lots of longrange firepower, it's pretty much stopping at 36" medusae, so we kinda hate lascannon, especially two squads that can maneuver around the Flare on the Macro by just deploying at opposite ends.

I'm messing about with including a Knight for my list to draw fire, magnetizing it at the moment.

>>53477600

I would be surprised if the Iron Warriors hadn't tried that at some point, they were bitterbros with the Reductor and had informal besieging competitions. I do know that the OR work pretty damn well with Emperor's Children after seeing a biking Maru Skara tie down everything in a 5k Reaping/Berserker Assault list that could stop me getting into the swing of things. RIP WE Inductii, radengines are a bitch.

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>>53477704
>5k Reaping/Berserker Assault list
D-do you remember something of that list, anon?

>>53477739
It was the local DGbro and WEbro teaming up, so not exactly formal, but they did plan it out a little.

DG brought the Reaping, with 5 Volkite, Lascannon and ML HS dudes each, an Achilles carrying some meltagun supports, a Levi dread with Melta Lance and Siege Drill, a squad of Deathshroud and Grave Wardens and a couple other bitz to make up taxes and such. Also an Apothecary who fistfought the EC Biker Praetor to one wound thanks to three lucky FnP rolls, so well done that man.

WE had their special Apothecary dude, a couple flunky Apoths and four (? A lot of dudes who I melted, anyway) of their big scary axetical blobs, at least one of them buffed by him to get them to S6 IIRC. Also Angron in a Storm Eagle with some Red Butchers, two Cortus Dreads and a Mortis that presumably was very annoyed at not having punching arms.

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>>53477240
The latter.

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>>53477240
I thought the guy is a pacifist, unfit for the Imperium.

>>53478451
I was mostly making a joke about how hard his name is to pronounce for a lot of people.

If I ever made a Space Wolves army I'd definitely base my warlord of Thorkell the Tall.

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>>53478236
Das a good meme.

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>>53478629
I'm getting better at GIMP and decided to redo that edit. Have a new one.

So, now that FW is making it's own 7.5 rulebook, do you think "Furious Assault" is actually going to be a thing now?

>>53478748
Heh, I gotta get myself more Memery TV pics. Perhaps he'd look better with the Khornate horns.

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>>53478839
Here's one.

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>>53478839
Memri is fantastic

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>>53478839
I really can't get enough of it

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>>53478876
>>53478890
More.

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>>53478973
>anal heresy

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>>53478973
>WE

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>>53478973
hey look, I found lorgar

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>>53478973

>>53479147
This guy seems wise, considering trees never stop growing.

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>>53478973
>Ultramar deserves

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>>53478973
>may tzeentch forgive me- a loyalist

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>Dorn is next
>Alpharius nowhere in sight

>>53479070
Since when did captain Sisko become an executioner for some Arab nation?

>>53479186
>>53479217
Why do they hate Albania so much?

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>>53479246
Kek

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>>53479256
Why do you not?

>>53479244
>Sanguinius is still crying

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>>53478973

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>>53479186
That's a fake!
>>53479256
It's a non-country.

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>>53478973
I'm starting to wonder how the Middle East hasn't already nuked itself

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>>53479086

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>>53479316
Kek, Canada deserves it more, but they reaaaaalllly hate Albania

>>53479327
I'm not sure why people meme this particular one, he seems like a smart guy.

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And one for the roaches. Everyone hates them. Even fellow Muslims hate them.
>>53479350
I think it has something to do with Albania and the Ottomans fighting.

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>>53479343
Thank you based anon

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>>53478973
>iron hands

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>>53478973
One of my personal favorites

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>>53478973
>emperors children

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>>53474738
>the point
>
>
>your head

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>>53479386
One my my favorites. It can sum up these threads from time to time.

>>53469309
>>53470356
>>53471631
Jesus, Alan Bligh is dead... I didn't believe it when I first saw mention half-way through the thread (or put two-and-two together with the OP pic), and started searching Google.

I wasn't even a huge fan of his specifically, but that doesn't mean I don't find it surprising, or that I don't mourn his passing. Because I've been playing 40K for about 18 years and he was one of the old touchstones of the hobby for me, and more than a few times did I find out he was the writer of something for the hobby that I genuinely loved. And I will greatly miss him and his work.

>pours out a cup full of paintbrush water for his 'humie'