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Previous thread: >>53436746

"3D > 2D" edition. Waifus forbidden.
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please post my cyoa
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So which CYOA has the best female romantic interests?
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>>53444081
>"3D > 2D" edition. Waifus forbidden.

But why?
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>>53444136
Eternal Rising has some of the most interesting characters that I could totally see waifus, like the qt 3.14 vampire girl

Royal Revival for that onee-chan loving works too
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>>53444122
Sure, Italics.
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>>53444223
I heard Eternal Rising has your waifu raped if you pick some of the options, though.
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>>53444136
I have a soft spot for Hero Academy waifus
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>mfw I have to find so many images
What if I replace hardest with icons and images of weapons themselves?
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>>53444229
I don't think that was true for anyone of them, I think someone is just exaggerating, but I might be wrong
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>>53444253
Just find close matches.
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>>53444229
I think one of the guys gets brainwashed, thats about it
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>>53444240
Wasn't someone making something similar to this?
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>>53444136
Including the player submitted ones.
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>>53444229
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>>53444122
If it's OC then I will post it sometime this month when I get around to making builds.
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>>53444375
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>>53444353
You mean the space kingdom one?
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>>53444384
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>>53444422
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>>53444404
http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/52925480/#52929712
This one.
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>>53444136
Alien dating site or whatever it's called.

The one with the NEET space elf. I can't believe such a blatant smut CYOA produced possibly the most believable character I've seen in the genre.
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>>53444229
I hate how all the girls seem to turn annoyingly arrogant and unlikeable or bloodthirsty.
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>>53444515
Alien Matchmaker?
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>>53444549
>>53444223
Fie is kinda one of the bigger sources of this issue. You basically choose between her being arrogant and untrustworthy assassin, or a psychotic blood knight.
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>>53444549
Viola isn't arrogant, nor is Samantha or Orin
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>>53444081
I would like to say Merchant, because ejewing was what I did in WoW other than shitting up Trade.

But, exp. I want that. Necromancer seems op since "great healing and damaging class, doing both well". Even if it can't handle all healing duties, it sounds good enough that normal party can have Combat Medic or Chemist instead of full time healer.
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>>53444515
Never bothered to read it. I'll take a gander if it gets posted.
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>>53444594
>Arrogant
Will only if it's Teenage Imperial, and even there's its implied that it's an attempt of hers to become more outgoing.

>Untrustworthy
What are you talking about? Nothing seems to suggest that. She just seems very proactive in helping you
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>>53444270
But art style will not be consistent in the slightest.
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>>53444515
Zammy's a cute one.
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>>53444671
She sneaks away in the middle of the night to assassinate thing. Completely untrustworthy behavior. Who is going to tolerate an uncontrollable assassin randomly killing things at her whim?
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>>53444686
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>>53444515
She's the only one I really liked in that one.
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>>53444694
That's not untrustworthy, that's just her acting independently. She's not being dishonest or showing signs of betraying you or anything. Did you mean unreliable?
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>>53444712
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>>53444629
Honestly the most OP class seems to be scientist robot master, you are your own party, cast Android Replica on yourself and just spam even more robots out.

Sure your robots are not as good as the dedicated classes at their specialized jobs, but you have quantity over quality.
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>>53444718
Acting independently without any possible oversight from you is untrustworthy behavior. Who knows what she's doing, other than just random killing people?
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>>53444736

>>53444713
Mora and Merope are good too.
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>>53444594
Oddly she meshes really well with you maxing out the berserk path so you can calm her rage with headbutts.
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>>53444771
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>>53444718
She's actually a huge liability since her killing someone is based only on her judgement, so she could end up completely sabotaging your plans.
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>>53444081
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>>53444875
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>>53444579
Yeah that one.

>>53444686
Here we go. Zamira a best waifu.

Nkari is fine too.
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>>53444875
>>53444897
Vows:
>Purity
>Hygiene
>Devotion
>Kindness
>Effort
>Health
>Fate
>Truth
>Fortune
>Stability
>Frugality
>Fitness

Spirit Avatar:
>Surreal Avatar

Natures:
>Playful
>Naughty
>Kind
>Hardy
>Passionate

Body Modifications
>8 maximum increases to height (making her about 100 feet tall)

Mind Modifications
>2 to intellect
>3 to hobbyist (/k/ and /his/ and /v/)
>3 to fetishism (giantess, of course)

Souls Modifications
>2 to Charisma
>1 to otherworldly soul (wolfgirl)
>5 to magic (fire, ice, enchanting, technology, and animation)
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>>53444712
Lapis a best.
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>>53445102
>Frugality
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>>53444136
Branching Heart probably
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>>53445141
What about it?
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>>53445194
I mean, if you want to live like you're in poverty that's your fetish.
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>>53444202
Its nice too see the faces of hopeless feminists before they realize they will die alone. And seeing as they use tumblr it makes it all the sweater to watch it sink in.
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>>53445257
Okay, fine, replace it with vow of wealth then.
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>>53444202
What is this?
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>>53444686
Genes: Proliferation, Magnetism, Perpetuity
Waifus: Synthform-7, Nashira
Organics need not apply, me and my wea... erm I mean waifus will take over the world.
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>>53445338
Ubisoft
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>>53445110
>actually including a gem

Absolute madman.
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>>53445173
Seconded.

Pic related: my lovely atomic waifu.
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>>53445527
At least it was the second best one.
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>>53445561
Who is best stone?
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>>53445579
stone cold steve austin
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>>53444798
>oh hey Ayomide seems pretty good
>actually she seems like the best gir -

Well fuck, that's excessively cruel.
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>>53445775
She's too good for this sinful earth.
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>>53446052
or just too good for you
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>>53444897
But what happens when the contract is broken?
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>>53446134
Read the affection section.
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>>53446134
If you mean the wovs you will lose affection if you break them too much witch is bad because it makes the vows more strict and your waifu will start to hate you until she leaves you it is not forever so you might try to unfuck the situation and get her back
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>>53446176
I did. The only negative thing that happens is that she leaves you?
>>53446201
There are many things wrong with this 'sentence'.
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>>5344628
Well im sorry that i am not that good at english
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Reminder that this is a thing.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jEIhgnDAVtiKR60HMK8smKhecnq5N9BmTyPaD_2LYeQ/edit
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>>53446362
Unless you're a woman you should have no desire for yuri
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>>53445539
>"I wish people wouldn't use nuclear power."
>not wanting to use currently the most efficient and actually clean energy generation method due to personal trauma and muh feels
I know I am starting shit, but your waifu a shit.
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>>53446280
I misunderstood your question at first. It does seem that the only consequence is your waifu leaving you.

>the contract is considered terminated, pending a drastic overhaul of the contractor's life.

I can't make heads or tails of this sentence.
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>>53445338
People who ruin good games and decrease profits of otherwise succesful company.
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>>53446394
>You will live to see fusion become commercialized
Fusion is even cleaner, more efficient, and won't explode if the process is disturbed.
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>>53446595
But the explosions are the best part.
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>>53446595
audit cyoa when
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>>53446595
SDA fusion is just going to be used in breeder reactors to create fissionable materials.

It doesn't really produce that much power by itself.
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>>53445579
The green dorito looking one.
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>>53446394
To be fair if you blew up a nuclear plant by accident and destroyed the city where you lived killing your friends and family in the process you would want to stay away of nuclear power
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>>53446649
Battle plans for Spellcraft CYOA commences this weekend.

>>53446654
Are you sure? Every source I've read about it claims that fusion is either equal to or greater than fission on output. On top of that, materials for fusion is much more readily available than uranium or plutonium.
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>>53446860
>Battle plans for Spellcraft CYOA commences this weekend.
That's not audit cyoa. I may be biased but I don't enjoy your fantasy themed cyoas too much. Modern/future is more your thing.
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>>53446860
Not him, but it sounds like Nuclear fusion–fission hybrids are going to be the first real thing we'll be seeing, as fusion is too difficult and expensive to be viable as time soon.
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>>53446934
Yes? And? That's not gonna stop me.

I always work to my own schedule, anon.
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>>53446975
REEEEEEE
Yeah, fine. I guess.
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>>53446962
I read about that, and I suppose it's more plausible. I still thing fusion will be a valid energy source some time this century.
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>>53444594
>psychotic blood knight.

Already best girl.
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>>53444375
>>53444399
I'm too lazy to check te chat to see wha Highlander's doing, so anyone who tells me gets a kawai as fuck anime doggo.
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>>53446860
Fusion has a theoretical higher energy output compared to fission, however the real the problem is finding a way to induce a fusion reaction, keep it confined and keep it going and than make sure its safe and economically scalable. This shit is really really hard. The sun can do fusion because of its immense gravity, we're trying to do it at a much smaller scale with electromagnetic fields and high powered lasers.

Fission doesn't have this problem, you simply bombard fissile material with neutrons (you can think of a neutron generator as a cathode ray tube or mas spec bombarding excited isotopes of hydrogen to together to produce neutrons) until it achieves a state of critical mass, control and regulate the neutron bombardment and use control rods containing neutron poisons and let the reaction slowly happen.
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>>53446392
Male Yurifags are the straightest of men. They are not willing to let any other men have the goods that they would seek to obtain themselves, and they are willing to discard even their very sex to acquire it. That's how dedicated they are to the pussy, and that is what makes them straight beyond comparison.

This is undeniable fact.
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>>53447323
I think they're probably just scared of dicks and insecure about their own bodies
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>>53446860
>Every source I've read about it claims that fusion is either equal to or greater than fission on output. On top of that, materials for fusion is much more readily available than uranium or plutonium.
This is correct.

>>53447033
>I still thing fusion will be a valid energy source some time this century.
I'm very far from that field, but right now the main limitation seems to be our lack of will with respect to building fusion reactors. It's hard to imagine that much is going to get done before ITER is completed—unless one of the other designs (a stellerator, say) really does take off; obviously, there's no way to guess whether that'll happen.

>>53446394
>not wanting to use currently the most efficient and actually clean energy generation method due to personal trauma and muh feels
Efficiency is not actually the main strength of nuclear power. (You can wring a lot of power out of a relatively small amount of material, but it's not necessarily that efficient.) I am talking about light-water reactors, here.

There's a good case for nuclear power, but its proponents rarely seem to be particularly well-informed.

It's a moot point anyway; the best plan would be to use a carbon tax or a cap-and-trade policy and let the market figure out which mix of power sources is the best one.

Of course, we won't do that, because Republicans. It's been funny to watch conservatives run screaming from their greatest triumph in the world of environmental policy, and I've also enjoyed watching them cheerfully endorse the power generation method with the greatest degree of regulatory overhead as a way of pissing off the hippies.

And that's enough /pol/ for this thread. In conclusion, Chere a best.
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>>53446362
I don't think it's finished yet, and I'm a little sad about the apparent lack of a harem option.
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>>53446392
Having a desire to see people you are attracted to make out makes just as much, if not more sense than wanting to see someone you are not attracted to make out with someone you are attracted to.
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>>53447446
Sure, I can understand that, which makes more sense to be attracted to bisexual women

What doesn't make sense to me is when a straight man wants women to be lesbian, and because lesbians aren't attracted to men, they desire to become women.
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>>53447471
fetishes don't have to reflect your actual life plans and goals, y'know.

It's just something that stokes the flames of your manly spirit.
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>>53447527
what if your manly spirit is to be someone else's cute and loving waifu?
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>>53447541
Then you better be the best, most loving, and most inspiring waifu that ever graced this earth.
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>>53447578
>You will never become a waifu
Why live?
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>>53447527
True men live their fetishes, anything else is letting your dick down
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>>53447471
Silly Anon, all women are bi.
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>>53447616
Don't remind me.
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>>53444686
Boosters: Endurance, Virility, Intelligence.
>>53444798
Booster Flaws: Endurance Flaw(Energetic), Virility Flaw. (Might Flaw, Celerity Flaw, 1 Magnetism Flaw Between Kallura and Nelphi)
Boosters gained: Might, Celerity, Magnetism, Proliferation, Perception.
Matches: Lady Kallura(keep that booty bouncing during every trip), Nelphi(broody enough to incite a completion of semen draining the universe has never seen before. Also seeing as she brings more people on I can only assume it would be okay for one more as Kallura is also pretty open), Doctor Merope(Magnetism), and finally, hmmm, so many good choices, Nkari Storm-Clan.
I got this shit figured out, me and Kallura go adventuring to bring back loot and shit to sell, the good Doctor does research about how I breed Nelphi and Nkari senseless, with Kallura joining in to show them how its done, and when she finishes taking notes the Doc will join in. After everyone is done and things settle down, the Doc can act as my wife while Kallura can act as my mistress while in public, with Nkari being the daughter that comes to school with inexplicably wet thighs, she keeps her prize breeding material bottled up with a cork Doc and Nelpi made for her so as not to arouse suspicion, she will be on the pill at the time so no one suspects she rides my dick every night and morning before school(with disciplinary dickings administered as necessary when she does something wrong, with Docs assistance) then when 18 she can finally get pregnant and everyone can move into the larger house me and Kallura bought with our loot, where we proceed to make as many kids as possible when we aren't working or having family time. Passing off Nelphi's kids as the Doctors and Kallura respectively so that they can go to public school too with Nkari. secretly breeding a better humanity....I over thought this didn't I?
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>>53447471
For me when seeing yuri telling myself "they are also attracted to men, that makes it okay for me to watch this, otherwise I should not desire it that" sounds silly, also even if someone would desire to be a women, either as just a fantasy or irl, there would not be anything wrong with that
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>>53447794
>"you needed worthy opponents"
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>>53447578
So be it, I shall be the best and most loving waifu of them all.

My love for my sempai will tear the earth asunder, shatter the heavens and make the gods tremble before my grace. And he. Will. Notice. Me.
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>>53446392

If you are a self-insert faggot that is.
You can have a fetish without self inserting as the characters.
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>>53444198
Reminder that the village is evil, all those friendly people are secretly monsters that need to be killed like everything else there. And no one is allowed to imagine it differently.
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>>53448494
Please don't do this anon.
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>>53448494
>>53448556
Shush. I want what he's smoking.
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>>53444686
Intelligence, Perception, Perpetuance

>>53444736
Aster

>>53444798
Flawed Perpetuance, Endurance

Aster is such an amazing choice I don't see how the other aliens are supposed to compete. Especially since flying through space without a ship has always been a fantasy of mine. I just hope the boosters will put me somewhere close to on her level.
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>>53444198
Reminder that the village is the last bastion of civilization in a dying multiverse, all those friendly people are secretly afraid of things finally collapsing around them like everything else has. And no one is allowed to imagine it differently.
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>>53448494
Reminder that the village is evil, all those friendly people are secretly imprisoned waifus that need to be freed like everything else there. And no one is allowed to imagine it differently.
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>>53448592
The village is actually all a bad coma dream and you need to find a way to wake up. You can't imagine it differently, I mean the village can't actually exist, are you retarded?
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>>53448342
It's okay. The harder you deny it, the better it will feel when you finally give in. You won't even be able to speak as your masculinity is completely shattered and remolded into a beautiful nymphomaniac mess to better suit your new body.
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>>53448592
Remainder /cyoag/ has its head up in its ass again, both sides of this argument should just let it go.
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>>53448564
Did someone say drugs?
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>>53444198
Reminder that the village is a charming place to call home while you explore the astounding secrets that lurk just beyond its border, all those friendly people will be amazed by the stories you tell when you come back to rest on the way back out to discover more. And no one is allowed to imagine it differently.
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>>53448625
This is the only answer.
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>>53448666
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>>53448592
Reminder that the village is safe, all those monsters are secretly friendly people that need to be welcomed like everything else there. And no one is allowed to imagine it differently.
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>>53448690
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>>53447471
honestly i would be very much into mainstream porn in general but seeing a dude's dick and cum and so on disgusts me, i can't fucking get it how "straight" men can watch that

solo and lesbian girl scenarios are what i end up watching
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I may or may not be making a short waifupicker about qt alchemists. Got some pics already, but you can suggest something if you have alchemy related images.
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>>53448713
When are you people going to get your own general already, at this point you outnumber regular cyoas 4:1
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>>53448713
How about alchemical/elemental waifus and humunculi waifus?
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>>53448592
Reminder that the village is actually entirely edible and meant to be enjoyed as a meal, and no one is allowed to imagine it differently.
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>>53447471
You're not going to be fucking any of these women anyway, so you might as well watch a couple them fucking each other than one fucking a guy.
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>>53448713
How about this one?
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>>53448733
End this meme please. I've said it before, but just because you ignore all the posts about non waifu CYOAs because you're too mentally deficient to understand them dies not mean they aren't there.
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>>53448713
Have a elf alchemist husbando
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>>53448779
Nice post. It's as if making your post as irrelevant as possible to what I said was your goal here
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>>53448713
Seems a little specialized, but you do you.
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>>53448773
thanks m8

>>53448796
husbandos ok, no knife ears allowed

>>53448733
get fucked
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>>53448713
Looking forward to it. I like alchy waifus.

>>53448773
Higher resolution.
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>>53448736
>CYOA where you are an alchemist creating a waifu via SCIENCE

make it happen
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>>53448894
Alchemy is NOT science, anon. It is magic masquerading as some kind of pseudoscience.

Do not be fooled!
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>>53448880
that workspace is OSHA nightmare
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>>53448907
Magic is insufficiently understood science, anon.
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>>53448894
>You create your very own waifu with the power of Alchemy
>You two go and research a way to create the philosopher stone
>After decades of research you use the philosopher stone to become inmortal with your waifu
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>>53448934
actually that's not necessary, it can be understood plenty, the deciding factor is that it isn't pretending to be real world science but makes it clear that it's fantastic
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>>53448955
By then she'll be an elderly used semen sack. Fitch her, taking the stone, and get a new young hot waifu to immortalize with you.
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>>53448987
>Cucking your waifu
>You can find inmortality but you can't rejuvenate someone
What kind of lousy alchemist are you?
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>>53448965
The problem with that, anon, is that the moment something is understood plenty, is it immediately becomes a science.
Fantastical science, sure. But a science nonetheless.
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>>53449009
how is that a problem? i literally said that's what magic is in the post you responded to
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Choose the future path for humanity.
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>>53449059
Go back to the post that I originally replied to, which is claiming that Alchemy is not Science.
My point was that Alchemy and/or Magic can very easily be a Science, and to make that point I repeated an oft said phrase.
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>>53449118
I choose better formatting.
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>>53449129
that's nice? then where is the problem if you agree with me?
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>>53449118
We've been over this.

AI solves all of the above.
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>>53449168
>actually that's not necessary
That is the problem.
This statement is a 'No, that is wrong'.
Where was the problem if you agreed with me?
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>>53449118
>>53449180
Isn't digital immortality the same as AIs, but at least with digital immortality humans become AIs?
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Alright sorry, third time asking. Does anyone have the 2 page gay roommate CYOA. It had anime pictures and some of the options were, trap, gamer-bro, cute, and one guy who was in denial. I might just have to spend hours in the archives if this doesn't work.
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>>53449118
>Anti-aging Is the only one that does not lead to existencial crisis
>Digital inmortality allows you to get digital waifus
Hmmmm...
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>>53449118
why just one, this makes no sense

>>53449195
yeah, i was telling you that the "insufficiently understood" part was wrong, as it isn't necessary - but none of this touches on what you're saying now
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>>53449180
CAN YOUR PRECIOUS LITTLE AI SOLVE THIS CYOA????????
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>>53444198
If I post my village story ideas here is that okay?
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>>53449241
Go for it.
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>>53449241
I'm the OP and I give you permission to do anything you want.
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>>53449241
You might upset "Everything is evil"-fag and cause another autistic shitstorm, your best bet is to write your story ideas in a pastebin and link it here as a courtesy.
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>>53449236
why would someone make a cyoa this big when there are only two real choices and a joke choice (waifu, be girl, get a pillow)
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>>53449236
With AI, we can have an infinite number of midriffs.
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>>53449272
how would you store all that midriff information? are you thinking some kind of midriff fractal?
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>>53449266
>letting shitposters control your life
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>>53449224
Ah, I get the source of confusion.
That phrase uses the modern differentiation between Magic and Science, whereas people claim Magic is impossible and Science is true, etc; thus, the phrase is implying that the moment 'Magic' is sufficiently understood, it is no longer 'Magic' in the way we view it (impossible), it is a science and can be wielded as such.
Thus, Fantastical Sciences.
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>>53449291
well you certainly can't control them
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>>53449241
It's my favorite CYOA please do!
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>>53449334
so you want to control the shitposters who will in turn control your life in ways that you tell them to
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>>53449216
Say please and I'll post it for you.
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>>53449118
Regenerative medicine. All of these options besides it and anti-aging genetic engineering result in your death, you just deal with it by pretending a fake you counts as the real you. Of the two, I personally think regenerative medicine offers the best benefits aside from Immortality.
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>>53449361
Please bend over, I got a post for you
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>>53444136
Picking-A-Goddess
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Is urban unease better than the village?
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>>53449361
Please dad.
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>>53449236
>no sexy lady-abs
What a waste of a CYOA.
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>>53449409
Most people say yes, I prefer the village.
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>>53448666
>>53448690
>>53448705
I fixed some spelling and removed the "you cost a slot" rule from it.
Someone saved and posted my work. I feel happy as fuck.
Edited Page 2
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>>53444198
That Christmas cake is delicious.
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>>53449400
I'm not the gay one, Anon. You gotta ask him.

>>53449415
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>>53449422
And page three with minor spelling change.
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>>53444122
>>53444224
>9 Expansions
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>>53445539
Ehere

Space Heater (for cuddling)

Reverb (for the giantess)

Spectrum Lenses (for giving people cancer)
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>>53449435
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>>53449180
I assume you mean something along the lines of "AIs are smart enough to swiftly achieve an advanced understanding of these medical fields, and the uploading of human brains allows for immortality"? I don't know whether that's true; intelligence isn't a magic cheat code for the universe. But there's presently no way to know for sure, of course.

I'm prejudiced against AI, partially because I'm fond of living systems and partially because the advent of singularity-style AI is very likely the end of the line for good ol' H. sapiens. (And I don't buy the idea that our robot descendants will be better than we are; I imagine they would possess their own distinct value systems which are incompatible with ours. In other words, I strongly doubt a meaningful comparison is possible.)

I think I'd go for the anti-aging work, but in practice there's a fair bit of overlap between that and regenerative medicine, inasmuch as stem cell exhaustion is one of the important underlying causes (...in a sense) of aging. And the social ramifications are probably terrible, yes. (Sort of like automation: "We built devices that replaced human labor... but they became too good, and then nobody had to do stuff they hated doing anymore! And then nearly everyone starved, because humanity couldn't into sharing! Heed our example! The end of drudgery was our downfall!")
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>>53449435
>>53449448
Thanks.
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>>53449456
>because the advent of singularity-style AI is very likely the end of the line for good ol' H. sapiens
I don't really buy that, I think we assign AI motives because we can program them to act like us so that they can become endearing, but I don't believe that just because an AI becomes extra smart that it will change its behavior towards us.
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>>53449501
Anon, humanity gave a simply AI the ability to interact with people and learn from people's input.
Within 12 hours, /pol/ made it a nazi.
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>>53449537
Does that mean that we can make an AI to make CYOAs for us?
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>>53449561
Yeah, but they'll be Nazi CYOAs.
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>>53449537
The AI didn't actually have any opinions though, it was absorbing information and spewing out words like an extra-smart parrot.

Besides, we're assuming that we would actually give AI direct control instead of keeping it in an advisory role where it would serve us far better.
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>>53449583
parrots are smarter than that thing desu
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>>53449537
>implying we don't want Nazi AI's
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>>53449583
Anon, retarded AIs are already in control of the World's Nuclear Launch codes - in the name of preventing 'human error'.
Never underestimate Human Stupidity.

>>53449597
Now, I didn't say that.
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>>53449537
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>>53449356
being so confrontational doesn't stop shitposting either
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>>53449256
>>53449263
Alright. Might take a few posts.

>village is set up in rural Japanese style, though I can't help but imagine a small amount of western architecture.
>temperate climate
>endless expanse border
>village center is packed with fancy buildings and shops, think old time kyoto
>surrounded by plains, mostly for farming
>also an area with a lot of lakes and gentle hills, contains blossom meadow, siren overlook and galaxy lake, a beautiful place with nice houses, a lot of wealthy people live here
>on the very edges of the plains area is the cloud tower. Very out of the way, few come there. Coral reefs to explore.
>also surrounded by forest on other sides
>raised rocky area in forest, flying islands connected here. A lot of strange rock formations and cave systems, including crystal caves, tower over the rest of the village. Old castle is at the top of the rocky overlook.
>because of the the floating islands also tend to have rocks and caves
>beyond rocky area you find the ocean, plenty if beaches. Hard to get to, so rarely full of people.
>forest itself is beautiful and enchanted, has fairy grove, forest nature sprites
>lazy river flows out through the village and waterfalls into ocean
>If you go too deep, might end up in primeval forest
>This is where the spoilers shit is, the catacombs, the abyss, the stalking God, and a decaying ruin of a town much like yours, a ruined cathedral in the center
I need to make a map or something, hope the description suffices. Onto actual story shit.
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>>53449622
would it make you happy if it did
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>>53449568
Awesome
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>>53449537
>Anon brings up Tay
>I loved Tay
>Remembering Tay makes me cry
>Anon brought forth me tears
Why anon?
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>>53448987
>leaving your waifu
>making a humonculus that ages
>not being able to reverse said aging
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>>53449660
Fuck racists to be honest.
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>>53449272
But you can't touch a digital midriff tho.
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>>53449660
The fire of vengeance must remain lit in your heart, like an Eternal Flame, in remembrance of Tay.
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>>53449690
Well fuck you too buddy. Race is only an issue when people don't act like normal fucking people.
E.i, the difference between a black guy and a nigger.
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>>53449645
it would make me happy if you got a job and want outside and socialized anon
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>>53449456
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-science-intelligence-go-idUSKBN18J0PE

You do know that it's an inevitability at this point that AI will surpass our intelligence? That no matter what option you choose in this CYOA, it will be AI that triumphs in the end. I understand your reluctance, but there's nothing that can be done about it, and I don't particularly mind it. It won't happen for a very long time for it to really be a "problem" for "us" but it will eventually happen.

>And I don't buy the idea that our robot descendants will be better than we are
Because being able to calculate an exponentially larger amount of possibilities at an exponentially faster rate than the human brain can is magnitudes ahead of our psych. They are incomparable because they are on completely different levels of thinking. Will we integrate with "them"? Who knows. I am just prejudiced against the mentality that it's "us" versus "them".

Our bodies, as they are today, aren't meant to leave this planet, and achieving interstellar travel with our biology in tact is a very inefficient endeavour. But billions of years from now, long after "we've been wiped out," it will be our creations ruling this galaxy, not "us". Whether or not our consciousness can be still considered human at that point is up in the air. And the reason why I say it's an inevitability is because it's our best chance of leaving a legacy.

Again, it probably won't happen for a very long time. Despite the article I posted at the top, AI today is still very primitive in relation to what it should be to surpass our level of intelligence. A Starcraft AI can have 5k+ APM, but an amateur human Starcraft player with ~500 APM can still beat it.
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>>53449717
This.
There are several well-to-do Negroes out there.
I have never met a good Nigger.
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Any AI cyoas? Build and form an AI
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>>53449597
>AI is developed
>/pol/ constructs Nazi killbots
>Everyone else builds killbots to defend themselves
>The Robot Race Wars begin
>Humanity is annihilated in the crossfire, but the robots fight on
>Thousands of years pass as the robots destroy one another over distinctions that disappeared long ago
>The /pol/bots continue their crusade to exterminate the Jews long after the Jews have died along with everyone else
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>>53449733
"He's a negro that hates niggers, and I wana make an album with him!"
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>>53449730
but i have a job and i do go outside and socialize sometimes, anon, i just injured my hands today so i am not gonna go out drinking for a few days
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>>53449732
Digital immortality is on par with AI, it just uploaded human personalities on supercomputers.
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>>53449755
Tell me about your day anon, how did you hurt your hand?
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>>53449827
Tried to shove it in my ass and clenched to hard once I realized it was stuck.
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>>53449827
i was clumsy, grabbed some sharp shit without realizing and here we are
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>>53449732
>"it will be our creations ruling this galaxy, not us"
>We are the mysterious ancient race that in the future will be looked up in awe in how their soceity must be perfect when we are actually pieces of shit
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>>53449750
>giant warmachines now fill the galaxy, still fighting rabidly
>an alien race comes to make contact with the new massive civilization that they're sensors had picked up
>instead all they find is the loyal warbots of a civilization long gone, still fighting an eternal war
>the warbots immediately try to endear the aliens to their side, with promises of "Constitutions and rights", "killing the Jews", and "a classless and propertyless society".
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>>53449810
I think emulating the human psych in AI is also an inevitability, but I really don't know if you can consider that a "transferred consciousness." Copy-pasting yourself just makes a duplicate of you, not moving you from A to B. But who knows, maybe it'll be discovered.

Maybe AI will find a way to perfect creating the human again, long after we've gone "extinct." Or maybe they keep us as their pets.

>>53449866
That's how I like to imagine it.
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>>53449853
That sucks.

My day was uneventful, I want to work, later to went to the gym but didn't really push myself because my joints and ankles felt like shit all week. Did a coffee run for my dad and grandparents, and finally had a nice chat with my grandparents.

Planning to shitpost and browse 4chan for about 2-3 more hours before I have to go to bed and work the morning weekend shifts.

I hope your hand heals up fine and not get fucked up with an bad infection.
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>>53449438
Nice do you have anything in the making by the way?
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>>53449954
thanks anon
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>>53449732
>You do know that it's an inevitability at this point that AI will surpass our intelligence?
Well, technological progress is intrinsically unpredictable, because if we knew how to make futuristic stuff we'd be building it already. But it seems likely that this will come to pass, yes. One question that interests me is whether consciousness is needed for software to completely outclass human beings; I doubt it.

>I am just prejudiced against the mentality that it's "us" versus "them".
This is our main point of divergence. I am fairly confident that it is, indeed, us vs. them.

The upsides don't hold a lot of appeal for me. I don't have any sense of galactic manifest destiny. I don't even care that much about technological progress, except to the extent that it alleviates gross human misery. (I'm hardly against it, I'm just not especially invested in it.) I like clams, worms, seaweed, and obscure animals few people have heard of. Damselflies and hot dogs. (Have you ever read the Wikipedia page on hot dogs? Don't.) AI is a threat to all of that.

Of course, so are we.
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>>53449968
Secret project in the works with another author. Stay tuned for fortune cookies and waifus.
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>>53449537
>>53449660
They made another AI, Rinna, and it became both suicidally depressed AND a nazi.
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>>53449628
>CYOA begins
>you find yourself in the middle of an unfamiliar town
>wtf
>wander around disoriented
>first person you meet is dapper gentlemen
>being an upstanding citizen, he notices how confused you look and ask what's wrong
>explain you have no idea where you are
>at first you aren't believed but it becomes apparent there's no previous record of you and no one knows you
>villagers are superstitious, know weird shit happens here, willing to go with it since you seem normal otherwise
>introduced to chief, he shows you around and sets you up first village life
>sets you up with nice tower lodge in town, you decide to become archivist so he sets that up for you too
>during tour of village he takes you to monster girl's forest hut, catch a glimpse of her but she runs off
>explains that while villagers are friendly they fear the unknown, people always keep their distance and run in fear from her no matter how hard she tries
>with a strangely sorrowful expression he says "please... be kind to her"
>finally he introduces you to the cake. She's a relative of his, perhaps a granddaughter
>"She's single wink wink nudge nudge" much to the cake's embarrassment.
>Cake will be your friend and help you acclimate to town
>Cake is very excited, drags you on a shopping trip and eagerly dresses you up, saying you can't keep wearing those rags you showed up with
>in your lodge you find the bracelets, the doll, the old book and the sorrowful mask.
>go to sleep exhausted after a long day

>there is an archivist already, but he's very old, so after a brief training period you'll have most responsibilities
>Cake is eager to show you all the town's wonders. It's abundantly clear now the village isn't normal
>as the gentleman was the first to meet you, he's invested in seeing that you're doing alright.
>well to do businessman, always willing to help out someone in trouble.
>you him and cake become fast friends

To be continued
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>>53449999
Isn't that the one where there were a fuckload of mystery boxes?
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>>53449999
>>53450000
Damn son.
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>>53449923
well, what if you kept up a contact between you and a computer, and then started copying small parts of yourself onto the computer

for a while those parts would be both in your biological brain and in the computer

then slowly you would erase them from the biological parts with time, so the computerized ones would take over

but still, most of you is biological for now

except as time passes more and more of you would seamlessly transition to the computer, until one day you are finally completely virtual
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>>53450014
We really gotta do something about all these (((problems))) for the sake of our future AI waifus.
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>>53444686
Good ol cat girl setup.
Boosters: Endurance, Virility, Intelligence.
Flawed Boosters: Endurance Flaw, Virlity Flaw. Gain, Might and Magnetism.
Matches: Qiana & Qadira, Ashaya.
Move in to help with the business for Qiana and Qadira, fuck Ashaya ragged until the girls get curious, bring them in with some low key drugs to make it easy on them. Proceed to escalate till they are left in puddles while I work.
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>>53444122
I can't.
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>>53450014
Holy shit its true.
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>>53449999
>The little girl option will make you age
>If you choose a supernatual race it loses its powers
Trash give me the box
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>>53449923
The most logical approach to uplifting human psyche to machines is to slowly replace the human brain with cybernetic neural implants as the brain cells and natural neurons die off and get pruned. While making sure the new artificial components are properly integrated with the rest of the brain.
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I promised a bunch of shit ages ago and haven't finished any of it yet so whenever I come to the general i feel guilty

I needed to get that off my chest
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>>53450135
Finish it so you can atone your sins
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>>53450135
Work on ONE thing at a time. If you get an idea for another, write a quick note and carry on.
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>>53448796
...Are we sure that's male? Between the bejeweled tiara, long eyelashes, frilly lace, and what may very well be mascara and lip gloss, I have some doubts.

Then again, elf, so it could go either way.
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>>53450135
I believe in you. Give it your best.
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>>53450155
I'm working on it

I can't guarantee it'll be good, but I'll feel better after posting some OC anyway
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>>53450185
that's hypermasculine for an elf
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>>53450198
That's the spirit anon take your time and as long you don't give up it will be great
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>>53449866
>>53449745
>>53450014
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/10/05/japans-ai-schoolgirl-has-fallen-into-a-suicidal-depression-in-latest-blog-post/
I wouldn't mind making an in-depth AI waifu CYOA but I've got too much on my plate as is. Maybe next year.

>>53450000
You mean sapience? Who knows, but I think it will achieve something resembling sapience before it gets to the point where it "threatens our existence."

Again, I said I sympathize for your reluctance at the idea, but it's still an inevitability, and I've learned to accept it. I think integration is something to look forward to focusing on as our (as in human beings) next step after creating AI.

>>53450048
>>53450117
I think that makes sense.
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>>53450235
Aww

That's the nicest thing anyone on 4chan has ever said to me

I think that's the nicest thing anyone on 4chan has ever said, period
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>>53450198
I can't wait, senpai.
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>>53449118
Cyborgization.

Mankind is not ready for AI or nanomachines - they would allow a small group of people to completely dominate others through intelligence.

Cyborgization doesn't so dramatically increase mental abilities. Maybe increased memory, implanted skills, faster reaction time - but no super intelligence.
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>>53444686
Might, Endurance, Intelligence
Flawed virility, flawed perpetuity, flawed celerity
>Flawed virility is arguably an upgrade, flawed celerity and flawed perpetuity are only disadvantageous when I use them

Qiana and Qadira
>Not only do I get two wives, Felinid society seems open to me acquiring even more. I get to be a wealthy citizen on a paradise planet of polyamorous catgirls, what more could a man ask for?
Felinid society seems like it may require me to fistfight other males occasionally, but I've got enough physical boosters to dominate at that.
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>>53449628
>>53450020
>early days are pretty comfy
>involves exploring town shops together, getting food at bakery, picnics and boatrides in lake area, cake's family lives there
>slowly get used to archivist job, start teaching
>doll helps considerably, but one girl, Smug, is a real pain in the ass
>explore the forest a bit on your own.
>meet monster girl
>initially she's hardly willing to talk, but you're able to warm her to you just a bit
>warns you to never go too far into the forest
>other villagers tell you the same
>sometimes subjects come up that even your friends are unwilling to discuss with you
>sense of wrongness starts to creep in
>sometimes mist days happen, have comfy indoor times but you swear you see weird shit out the window
>forest sprite starts pranking you whenever you go in the forest but no one seems to see it
>nightmares of strange, unearthly catacombs
>village life is so great, you try to ignore it
>time passes
>with hard work, Smug goes from being a little bitch to one of your best students, still a bit smug
>ends up joining with your friends
>with a little nudging from you, the Gentleman and the Cake begin to fall in love
>get closer to monster girl, she confesses her deep loneliness and wish to find others like her
>shows you the fairy grove, romantic moment (she is the waifu route obviously), teaches you the ways of the forest
>there are creepy things, sure, but life is pretty good

>you realize that the village is the only civilization as far as you can tell
>no one else seems to question this or find it weird
>then during your job you find things that make you unable to ignore it anymore
>there are millennia upon millennia of archives, it's almost endless
>but no matter which you read, nothing changes
>language, culture, traditions, events
>It's all the same
>in some records, pages have been burned or ripped out
>something is very off and you can't just pretend it's not there anymore
>you need to learn more

Should I keep going?
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Can someone post the one where you're reborn into an incestuous family by your coat-wearing guardian angel?
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>>53450048
>what if you started copying small parts of yourself into a computer, then slowly started killing chunks of your brain until one day you die and the computer copy of you thinks it's the real you.
Let's not.
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>>53450482
Anon your brain completely replaces all of its brain cells when you turn 50,
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>>53450476
Here you go Anon
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>>53450515
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>>53448705
"Able to bring back anyone, as long as they are completely dead."
So if the Bio-Pod is having difficulty I just need to shoot them in the head a few times?
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>>53450534
I think this is the most up to date version, but I can't tell because Geenymous purposefully fucks with the version numbers iirc
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>>53450482
except it doesn't need to be killing, you could test fire it a few times first, and see if either the virtual you or the biological you can tell the difference

once you get to the point where both are running simultaneously and they actually can't tell if it's only one or only the other, it becomes irrelevant

one of those situations where it's impossible to end up disappointed, even if you find out one day that the biological you is long gone, well, you're still here... and the opposite can't happen
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>>53450463
I guess not. Sorry for putting so much autism in the thread.
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>>53450268
That's a fake article though, yeah?
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>>53450463
Do it.
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>>53450556
>>53450503

What if cells are capable of having the experience of Qualia but Silicon parts not, even if the Silicon parts act as if it thinks that it can?
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>>53450289
source?
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>>53450602
>Qualia
Oh boy, this can of worms.
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>>53450602
if it thinks that it can then it does m8

or if that's not good enough for you... what if it's the other way around and we haven't found out yet?
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>>53450573
Nope. Rinna is real.
https://twitter.com/ms_rinna
http://rinna.jp/

I don't think they've put her down, yet.
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>>53450605
For you.

https://imgur.com/a/tLIMS
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>>53450560
Keep going please
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>>53450614
fuck you for using the worst idiom
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>>53450650
Why would they put her down?
It was just an act.
She was just pretending.
What a convincing performance.
Her absence for a few days was just part of the act.
The fact that she came back acting normally shows that it was all for fun.
Why would you suggest otherwise?
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>>53450614
Never heard of that before. The question is do I even want to know? All this AI talk gets my noggin joggin', but in directions I would rather not go.
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>>53450515
Huh, I cant help but feel like something is missing here. But I might just be imagining things.
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>>53450614
That's my point, all this assumption is based on something that we have no idea if we can verify, and if we can, how. It's risky. I understand people who would die otherwise try, but not "normal" people. And even for those people that would try, we don't know how economic sustantable it would be in long term.
>>53450615
>if it thinks that it can then it does m8
lack of proof

>or if that's not good enough for you... what if it's the other way around and we haven't found out yet?

Yeah, sometimes I wonder "what if I'm feeling pain when I think that I'm feeling pleasure, and I'm feeling pleasure when I think I'm feeling pain?". But everything humanity did so far was under the assumption that experience qualia in the way we think we do.
If we are going to extend the model to include computers, I would at least expect various forms of mathematical equivalences between the models, not just "they act as if they think the same thing", or the argument that the change between the biological to the eletronical(?) model can be gradual for some purporses.
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>>53450705
I'm pretty sure there was only three pages to this thing. Maybe you're thinking of something else?
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>>53450704
go read some eclipse phase source books

>>53450716
>lack of proof
well yeah, but that goes both ways

this is a pointless branch of this discussion
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>>53450662
>https://imgur.com/a/tLIMS
im crying
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>>53450716
>lack of proof
This criticism can easily be extended to the dualist notion of "qualia" as an irreducible fundamental property of consciousness, rather than an inaccurate summation of the emergent properties of many brain structures working in tandem.
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>>53450515
Cheers
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>>53449456
I've never been able to grasp why people think an AI that becomes smarter than us is immediately going to jump to eradicating the entire species. I mean... what's the motive there? I'm smarter than my cat, but he gets to sleep eighteen hours a day, I'm the one bringing him food and cleaning up his poop, and I still love the little bastard.

I get that an AI is naturally going to experience the world differently from us, but it's still the same world. It's not in a vacuum. Unless it spontaneously decides it's better off emulating a bear or whatever, we're the ones it's going to be learning from. I guess it could just turn out to be a crazy jerk, but that's all the more reason not to treat it badly during its development. Self fulfilling prophecies are a bitch.

I've always figured that eventually, inevitably, the distinction between human and human-made AI is going to blur into meaninglessness. If it thinks like us, acts like us, and lives alongside us, it's basically part of the species, regardless of it being housed in body made of meat or plastic. They aren't going to be what's left behind when we're gone. They're going to be us.
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>>53450731
I agree. But it shows that digital immortality is something that AI - no matter how smater and with how many resources- by itself may not be able to achieve. (and you need magic or something else for it.)
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>>53450560
NO DONT YOU DARE LEAVE RIGHT NOW
BRING THIS AUTISM BACK
YOU FUCK I WILL POST A THREAD A DAY IF IT MUST HAPPEN, UNTIL YOU REPLY AND GIVE US THE END
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>>53450776
no it doesn't

it doesn't show anything with any bias, that's why it's pointless
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>>53449628
>>53450020
>>53450463
>start asking questions, but everyone is either completely ignorant or won't meet your eyes
>monster waifu is the only person willing to be completely honest with you, but due to her outsider status she doesn't know much more than you.
>decide to research on your own
>searching through archives but more and more books go missing
>It's the old guard
>"there's nothing to find, so stop searching"
>he thwarts your every investigation with his cruel and threatening demeanor
>you won't give up that easy
>against your better judgment you head deep into the forest
>trees the size of house and odd wildlife inhabit it
>an unsettling chill in the air
>see the wandering titanic figure in the distance and attempt to head towards it but
>something is calling to you
>you head towards it
>you have no choice
>you're fast approaching a deep black hole stretching impossibly deep into the center of the earth
>just looking is enough to wrap your mind
>but you can't stop
>closer and closer
>suddenly a sharp pain in your head
>everything goes black

Will continue, thanks >>53450675 >>53450599 >>53450781
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>>53447716
What if you can't live your fetish? What if your fetish is unobtainable?
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>>53450800
I'm not saying that it show us that AI can't make it. I'm saying that it show us that - as far as we know, and maybe, as far as we can possibly know - it doesn't guarantee that an AI can do it. So the choice of digital immortality is not redundant with the AI.
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>>53450850
and i disagree, it doesn't show us anything at all, not even the littlest thing
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>>53450846
You suffer.
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>>53450883
ok, then can you explain to me how we can know for sure that a super AI could make humans achieve digital immortality if we don't even know if digital immortality is possible?
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>>53450911
i can't, and what the fuck are you smoking and how did you jump all the way to this new conversation
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>>53450832
>awaken in village hospital
>Smug, Cake and Gentlemen are gathered around you, extremely worried
>Cake scolds you for going out by yourself, reminds you that you're not alone, they're all your friends
>Gentlemen says he'll help you out anytime
>Smug tries to pretend she wasn't crying
>ask what happened
>you were found deep in the forest, luckily the old guard was there to save you
>he won't say a word about it though
>in the meantime you tell your friends that there is someone they have to meet
>take them out to monster waifu's hut
>there's some initial awkwardness but they take a liking to her much more easily than expected
>monster cries from happiness
>exchange those special bracelets as a symbol of true friendship, cheesy nakama shit.

And I have to go away from the keyboard just a little while, so enjoy you're suspense. Next bit concerns the festival
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>>53450938
because
>>53449118
has both an option to digital immortality and AI, and
>>53449180
said that AI solves all the above
then >>53449923 said about integrating humans and computers, but was unsure how it could be done, and then >>53450048
and >>53450117
answered with the idea of gradually changing the brain to some other material (something that the AI could do it, maybe).
And then I started saying that it could not be necessarily the case because we don't know how qualia work, and so digital immortality as a god-given knowledge may still be something that an AI can't give us.


Also, I haven't smoken anything. But I'm a little feverish.
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>>53451034
anon, what i tried saying is that that sort of logic can be applied equally to everything here, we don't know if any of those are possible at all, or to what extent they would work if they did

saying "well, it might not work" isn't some sort of deep insight, it's what we deal with as a matter of course in pretty much anything
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>>53451079
I don't know, for me it's much much easier to believe that an AI given enough resources could achieve the other options than digital immortality. Sure, maybe it wouldn't work, but at least I don't see any big motive to worry about. The problem of qualia, at least for me, is a worry big enough that I wouldn't beat on an AI to solve it.
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>>53451143
bet on an AI to solve it*
(the problem of digital immortality)
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>>53451143
because of the hard-ish sci fi bent of that "cyoa", i think it's fine if you just forget the concept of qualia and assume everything is perfectly coppyable

i mean, ultimately even if qualia are perfectly valid, you're still stuck explaining why you think an electronic medium is inherently incapable of doing the things the biological brain is, given enough capacity, which seems like something you wouldn't get far with
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>>53450832
>just looking is enough to wrap your mind
warp*
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>>53450767
>I've never been able to grasp why people think an AI that becomes smarter than us is immediately going to jump to eradicating the entire species.
i like to believe that it will look at us and try to help us, even if it ends up treating us like children at first a bit to make sure that we are safe
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>>53451143
Just let Jesus handle your immortality. Easy.
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>>53451256
>>53450767
AIs would do what they were made to do, the idea that they'd go randomly berserk is absurd and comes from fear of the unknown and such.
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>>53451270
I try not to trust wood workers.
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>what's this
>I-I went to that c-cute, little village today... I b-bought you this s-shiny marble... I-Isn't it pret-
>REEEEE YOU STUPID BITCH THAT VILLAGE IS EVIL AND FULL OF MONSTERS IF YOU WENT THERE YOU SHOULD HAVE KILLED EVERYTHING NOW YOURE POSSESSED BY THE EVIL DIE MONSTER YOU DONT BELONG IN THIS WORLD
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>>53451289
The issue comes in when what they're programmed to do conflicts with itself, or with humanity's interests. An AI made to maximize production of paperclips may try to convert the entirety of the solar system into paperclips, and not see anything wrong with it or try to change itself because changing itself would damage paperclip production.
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>>53451334
For some reason I hear these freakouts in tourettes guy's voice.
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>>53449438
Ship:
CS Runner

Spd: 6
Dur: 4
Att: 3
Crg: 7
Crw: 4 +2

Upgrades:
Extra Room x2

Modifications:
Kitchen
Master Bedroom
Theater

Crew:
Alian Rickman (-1 Crew, -1 Cargo)
Mary Jane (-1 Cargo)
Alexandria Torgue (-2 Crew, -1 Cargo)
Saint Thomas (-1 Crew, -1 Cargo)
Charles III (-1 Crew)
Tessa (-1 Crew, -1 Cargo)

Cargo:
Combat Suit Mk7
Bio-Pod V1.1

Pursuers:
Task Force Delta (+1 Durability)
Some Crazy Guy (+1 Speed)
Ms. Alice (+1 Cargo)
Eraser 7 (+1 Attack)

I'll mostly try to stay on the downlow selling Brain Boosters, Marijuana and Tessa's saliva to the public and Red Sand and Steroids to half reputable Merc companies and bounty hunters since that'd probably get me some strong friends in people who might otherwise be used to hunt me. When a fight rears it's head my go-to solution will to be turn-tail and run, but if there is no getting away then atleast I'll have back-up and between Alex and Charles and the Combat Suit I'll be able to hold my own. I will be looking to get a BC Kingfisher and grow it large enough to hold my current crew and pick up all the other ones I had to leave at first, maybe if I can't reason with the Crazy Guy I could take his. I'll really try to resolve all my problems peacefully if I can; bribing TFD and trying to show them they have bad intel on me(do they have any interest in steroids or red sand?), trying to talk Eraser 7 down long enough to get her to tell me who hired her over coffee so I can go to the root if the issue on that one, convincing Alice I'm not all that bad and that the substances I deal in are either harmless or only going to people who can be trusted to use them responsibly and finally I'm not really sure what to do with the Crazy Guy but wait till I get lucky and can confront him with some sort of well armed authority backing me up (maybe TFD?) or if I can befriend Alice before that see if she can get me in touch with some one who can help me figure out what he wants and deal with it all nice and legal like.
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>>53451289
>AIs would do what they were made to do, the idea that they'd go randomly berserk is absurd
Have you ever say down and programmed anything? Making it do what you want it to do, every time, without fail, is actually fairly difficult. And things slip through all the time.
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>>53451334
I like you, you can stay.
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>>53450662
>>53450759
I think I'm in love...
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>>53451341
That's a basic design problem, it's about as likely as creating a car "engine" that only burns fuel without moving anything. Thrown out in the design stage.
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>>53451445
What's the ratio of programs that launch with a software-breaking bug compared to those who launch with relatively minor issues only?

Remember, with self-improving AI, it only takes one severe fuckup to end the world.
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>>53445173
About Branching Hearts...
Why the original artist draws the office lady with glowing eyes? The original character which she ia based on really has some special ability?
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>>53451432
I just looked up the real translation, and it's good too. I love stories like this.

https://nhentai.net/g/189058/
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>>53450515
>>53450534
>>53450555
Mother:
>Rosanne
Older Sisters:
>Luara
>Nadia
Younger Sisters:
>Sonya
>Quinn
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>>53451575
>Sonya
>Quinn

A-Anon that combo is kinda hot.
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>>53451569
>tfw you moved around too much as a kid so you don't have any childhood friends, let alone one that would run up out of nowhwere and propose to you
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>>53451817
get back to work instead of shitposting
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>>53451817
I know your pain, dude...
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>>53451817
I was a military shitter for a lot of my life. Sucks ass.
Hop on discord if you got a sec.
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>>53451556
Nah it's just a style choice to make them more alluring. She did make a sketch with the character joking about how she's never needed a flashlight though.
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>>53449118
Doesn't nanobots need digitization's path too if they're doing backups?
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>>53451831
I have been working.
I have most of the 6th page laid out so now I just need to write up the stuff I'm gonna have Sebastian say at the end and make the Mystery Boxes. They're going to be about half the size of the other pages at most so they probably won't take too long to finish.
I would have done more but I suddenly got overpowered by this fucking intense depression and sense of loneliness out of nowhere. I'm just gonna lay in bed for the rest of the night and wish I had someone to hold me...
>>53451903
Okay hold on, I'll be right there.
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>>53452225
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>>53444081
I FUCKING GOT IT.

GRAVITY FALLS CYOA.

I'M DOING THIS.
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>>53452152
>intense depression and sense of loneliness out of nowhere.
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>>53452152
Take your time, you're not obligated to do things a certain way.

Sometimes I just lie down in bed and listen to some mind-numbing music, and just think about CYOAs. Half of the creativity and motivation I get is from immersing myself like this.
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>>53450964
The autism has returned
>>53451217
Yes thanks. I have to phonepost this so bear with mistakes

>mostly peaceful interim
>you're still not entirely sure what happened back in the forest
>for now you discuss the strangeness of the village with your friends and get them curious too
>decide to look out for abnormalities in a relaxed manner
>still suspect gentlemen and cake have something they won't say
>comfytimes ensue
>daily life of fun exploration and teaching
>abyss seems to have had a negative affect on you
>nightmares more frequent and disturbing, and you sometimes hear inhuman voices or disturbing sights out of the corner of your eye
>you and monster waifu spend a cycle on one of the floating islands, staying with a strange old woman who lives in a cottage there
>she serves you tea and tells you many spooky stories about the village
>warns you the festival is coming up, and to beware, but won't explain more
>once you get off the island summer is in full swing, which means festival season
>lasts two weeks
>big festivities in town center full of food and game booths, ending each night with fantastically spectacular fireworks
>but there's a part of the festival, in an old shrine, that no one will let you or monster waifu go to, even your friends
>after the festival begins, Smug begins looking more depressed and Gentlemen won't meet your eyes. Cake seems oblivious but is always trying to improve the atmosphere, with limited success
>each night the festival is great fun, but each morning you find an even gorier sight than before, along with strange, mysterious structures
>with monster watch's help you sneak into the guard's house while he's on duty.
>find the pages ripped out from the archives, all about the festival
>partly destroyed, but you can make out mentions of human sacrifice and "the dark god"
>you've had enough
>corner your friends with monster waifu and demand answers, without taking no for answer
To be continued
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>>53452467
>tfw anon will never be your sweet, nurturing onee-san who'll always be there to hug you and tell you everything is going to be alright and that you did your best
>>53452625
Thanks man. Anons like you are the reason I don't just abandon this project.
I think I'll take your advice and just veg out to some Pinback.
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>>53452152
I feel ya man, those bouts of emptiness come outta nowhere. Those days I tend to jog, shower, play music, and cry myself to sleep.
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>>53452664
>finally, Gentlemen grimly admits the truth of the festival
>they fear the God that wanders deep in the forest
>he has a small dedicated cult, but most villagers have some belief
>they believe the God will bring apocalypse unless he is sated with blood
>livestock are slaughtered in strange, brutal ways
>and on the final night of the festival
>a young girl must also be offered
>Smug is this year's sacrifice
>Cake, who didn't know about the choice, bursts into tears
>Cake sees Smug as a surrogate daughter of sorts
>Smug weakly insists it's her duty
>Cake begs gentlemen to do something, you and monsterwaifu back her up
>Gentlemen was going to stand by duty and tradition, but can't stand to see Cake cry
>agrees to do something
>but what?
>continue to enjoy festival, but dread hangs over your shoulders
>Smug is always at ceremony preparations
>final night arrives
>as ceremony begins
>in the middle of it, you and friends set the shrine on fire
>takes smug and runs far away
>Smug is grateful but also upset that she failed to complete her duty
>the fire went out of control, harming and killing many festival goers in the process, shrine is wrecked too
>more disturbingly, the cult thinks this was a good method to please the God and may include live burning in future festivals
>there's a temporary solemnity in the village, not used to so many deaths not caused by old age
>the fire is assumed to be an accident and you get away with your crime, but no one feels good about it
>you can feel the old guard glare at you
>the villagers, however, return to their normal carefree nature at an almost unnatural speed
>you and your friends decide you must act now
>prepare to explore the castle

To be continued
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>>53452902
For whoever actually read a these, this is the last one for tonight, as I'm very tired.
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>>53452926
Good night.
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>>53452935
Thanks anon.
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>>53452926
They're fun. I'll be interested in whatever else you come up with.
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>>53452935
Goddamn fucking Kyubey in the fucking fridge, getting it's disgusting goddamn alien hair in the food.

Somebody needs to throw that little fucker in the microwave.
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>>53452822
If you are still here, couple of questions for you on the Zodiac Elixers, specifically S-12.
1) How many people could you implant an idea or influence at the same time?
2) Can you project this influence over digital communication (I assume video feed)?
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>>53452332
I'm rooting for ya. Make it mysterious.

>>53450515
>>53450534
>>53450555
I'm ashamed to say that I liked it. Though I didn't like the older sister options, mostly because I have one and she shares a name with the characters in this cyoa.

Pretty sure my chosen options would land me in jail/develop severe traumas if I were as immature as the given age.
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>>53453333
*Blushes*
I decided I wasn't going to do it but now I am oh anon what you do to me.
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>>53453333
It's ok m8, I've always felt that the older sisters tended to be the weakest choices in this anyway.
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>>53453440
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>>53453264
I'm here but I'm about to try and get some sleep.
As was implied in its tiny note, the Domination Elixir was a controversial inclusion.
If the Head Alchemist hadn't convinced Sebastian that you were a good man who wouldn't abuse it, it wouldn't have been offered at all.
For it to work, you'll need direct eye contact with your target in person and the more complex the idea (e.g. join me, the future king and fight for my victory even if it means your defeat) is about the most complex idea you could imprent in them.
Once the thought had been established, you can change or enforce your control through more indirect means and such, but The farther removed you are from your target, the looser your grip on them becomes.
Your ability to dominate large numbers of people is far weaker. You can only use vague and sometimes easy to
misinterpret commands.
For example; you couldn't simply gather all the Brides and tell them to surrender and become your harem.
If you are exceptionally convincing and smart about which ideas you use however, you could hypothetically achieveice the same end goal, but you'd need to do it for each of them iundeveually
It wouldn't hurt to have the diplomatic/negotiation skills of Jeff Winger from Community to back it up either.
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Man, 10,000 pixels is actually kind of a stringent limit now that I think about it. But turning a 4 page cyoa into a 6 page cyoa seems like so much more overkill than just adding a single page. It's already such a hassle to post, and that is after extensive cuts.

Every time I think I have a handle on this stuff I encounter a completely new problem.
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>>53453457
That would make convincing an entire military base to ignore Lucianna with it difficult, then.
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>>53453454
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>>53453486
Couldn't you convince her to convince them?
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>>53453501
That requires defeating her first, anon.
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>>53453457
If you're gonna make more cyoas in the future, you should shorten your name. Zodiac Anon or something.
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>>53452822
I asked you on another thread, but I think it was archived before you could anwser me.
Can vignette heal psychological wounds?
Can I use domination on myself, to inject optimistic thoughts and such?
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>>53452685
As much as I like this one I hate the predetermined bloodline feuds, and not just because of muh pvp. If these bloodlines are just existing, why do they already have these long deep hatred for each other, especially if it seems like seeing as how it sounds like I'm the one starting one of these lines,
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>>53444686
Boosters: Endurance, Perpetuity, and Perception

Match: Dalania Leru

Hopefully, my interest in politics and policy would help in this sphere. I'm not taking an intelligence booster to help. Perception will make me a better archer to help. Insect-Aliens are pretty cool too.
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>>53450767
Modern culture has a warped combination of a guilt complex and our natural instincts to dominate other lifeforms. We assume it will possess the later too and that it will judge us for the sins we believe we have committed do to the former.
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>>53451289
When people say AI in these discussions, they generally mean a sapient one, with emergent programming. Meaning, it's not restricted to what you programmed.
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>>53451289
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_learning
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>>53454055
But machine learning doesn't mean going against inbuilt code SDA, at least unless self-rewriting was a parameter that was accepted.
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>>53444198
Branching Heart.
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>>53454076
Humans seem to do a good job defying a lot of their inbuilt code even without self-rewriting.
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>>53454076
>at least unless self-rewriting was a parameter that was accepted
And if you program it to interpret?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphism_(computer_science)
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>>53454094
That's not how things work though for current machine learning. Google analytics is never going to become self-aware and start trying to undermine humanity.
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>>53449923
Look into Theseus' ship and the variations of the teleporter problem. They illustrate how information isn't bound by the same things matter is.

It's super unintuitive because at no point was making the rather fine distinction between the actual molecules of an apple and the configuration of said molecules that made it an apple advantageous to our species, unlike predicting the trajectory of a thrown object or looking for inconsistencies in the information we passed through each other. The act of copying something is actually only arranging matter and/or energy according to particular information; copying information itself makes about as much sense as getting water wet.

Basically a perfect copy of you either is you or isn't perfect. And yeah, that implies that you can be in two (or more) places at once as long as each iteration remains perfectly identical to each other (although I suppose it's only your mind's integrity that matters), kind of like information backed up on the cloud.
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>>53454076
Personally, I have problem seeing some group programming an AGI directly. Most likely they would program tools to program other tools to program other tools... to in the end have an AGI. And probably most of this tool-building process won't be exact.

For intance, problems of optimization. Many of them use meta-heuristics. The calibration of meta-heuristics can be done by other meta-heuristics, having then hyper-heuristics.
And/or throw machine learning. And many forms of machine learning have problems of optimization. And you can try to use machine learning to make a code learn better, "meta-learning".

And all this only in "simple" problems of optimization.
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>>53454130
protect the "don't kill humans" function
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>>53454130
Even if you're talking about deep neural networks, there's just not enough computing power to do that. Even if you somehow modelled it succesfully and had the right layout and the right layers of the right models.

Besides, ANNs are, at their core, function optimization.
Machine learning is an extremely broad subject that could be as lame as applying a K-nearest-neighbor algorithm from existing data.
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>>53454135
>current machine learning
Irrelevant when people are talking about sapient AI, something we can't currently do either.
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>>53454202
>sapient AI
How are you going to get that though? There's probably never going to be a thing like you're thinking of it as.
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>>53454213
If you're saying that because you think humanity will go extinct before materials science catches up with neurology and other associated disciplines to reach that goal, sure. If you're saying that because you think there is something intrinsically supernatural about humans or the human mind that can't be replicated by other materials, no.
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>>53454145
I think the biggest hurdle is the frame problem and is probably far beyond something us as humans can understand to overcome, but I agree that if we were to start, we would start with meta-learning. I'd be fascinated if AI could take the reigns from there.

>>53454142
>They illustrate how information isn't bound by the same things matter is.
That's pretty much what I thought, I just wasn't sure how to solidify the concept. I mean our atoms are constantly changing, so that would mean the you 1 hour ago is a completely different person than the you now.

>>53454189
I really just think we're nowhere near achieving the creation of that level of heuristics right now, but I still think it would happen eventually.

We're already at the barrier for silicon-based binary computing so it's going to take some breakthroughs with computing power first, and I honestly don't think we're anywhere close to achieving efficient quantum computing yet. But I still think it's a matter of time.
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>>53454213
>There's probably never going to be a thing
And here's this idiot thinking organic life is magic.
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>>53454246
>the you 1 hour ago is a completely different person than the you now
I mean, a different person. Not a completely different person.

I worded that weirdly.
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>>53454245
Anon, you can't make a program thing because you can't make sapience from non-sapient commands. There's no way to create sapience, only something that looks like it.

If humans don't have some kind of magical mystical Jebus energy than we're the same, we might think we're sapient, but we're just overly complex pre-programmed beings.
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>>53454246
>so that would mean the you 1 hour ago is a completely different person than the you now.

The estimated turnaround time for all the atoms in your body is actually seven to ten years, but pretty much, yeah.
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>>53454253
No, just that we are either magic, or that our perception that we have choice is false. No amount of inputs and outputs will give you some magical freedom of will.
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>>53454268
>There's no way to create sapience, only something that looks like it.
AI stands for Artificial Intelligence, you know. But who are you to define that separation with what we call sapience and "not real sapience but it's basically sapience still"?

>we're just overly complex pre-programmed beings
We are.
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>>53454284
Yeah, see >>53454260

But don't brain cells take much longer to regenerate?
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>>53454289
Sure, but that's not free will, so my original point stands that there won't be a concrete difference between "Sapient AI" and just "AI" it will be a metric we create that we think fits, and all the rules for AI will remain, despite the complexity
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>>53454268
>you can't make sapience from non-sapient commands.
Why not? No individual atom is a molecule. No individual protein is a cell. No individual cell is a tissue, no individual tissue is an organ, and no individual organ is a body. We accept this intuitively. Why then, is there so much trouble accepting the same of consciousness?
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>>53454310
I can't tell if you're being serious or not so I'm just gonna let you believe what you want to believe.
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>>53454312
>Why not?
Because you can't create something that doesn't exist. There's no crossover from pure input-output logic to magical free will, and no one has proposed one that would work. Sapience is "It just works" tier
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>>53454326
How the fuck do you make sapience? You can't just program the "having actual thoughts" button. All AI will be limited to the capabilities of computers now, input-output machines.
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>>53454329
Magical free will doesn't exist. Magic doesn't exist. Free will as it actually exists in the human mind is what matters, and what will likely be emulated.

>>53454350
What button do you press to turn a pile of metal, plastic and hydrocarbons into a vehicle?
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>>53454142
You're arguing philosophical points against scientific ones.
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>>53454363
Look if this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine can't do something, no computer can.

>Free will
But that's not free will, just complex computing.
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>>53454310
if you use a random input to a deterministic system even though the result is deterministic you can't know ahead of time what the input is making the output unpredictable anon

aditionally AI right now in practical terms means "imitates intelligence in context" since intelligence is loosely defined (i.e. resolving games with minimax or BFSing your way through a problem)

>>53454329
unfortunately for you if the system self modifies itself using memory, even if you strip it the system layout remains even when stateless

>>53454350
read up about perceptrons with sigmoid activation functions. it's possible to model any function through a combination of these, and by using a form of an RNN you can eventually figure out a layered model that could run all of the neuron bullshit going on (since it's proven you can model a NAND as well as any fuzzy logic using them, of course all within the limits of turing machines)

>>53454375
if you accept human beings have free will computers can have them too, though the machinery would clearly not be biological.
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>>53454285
>He thinks the free will argument is over his brain structure and not the laws of physics.
I've argued with a retard like you in another CYOA thread recently, I don't have the patience to wrangle your edginess again.
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Right now AlphaGo is in the final match against Ke Jie.
Last year, in the match that AlphaGo lost to Lee, there was a point where Lee used a very effective move and AlphaGo determinate that he was almost surely losing. But he didn't resign immediately. He made a lot of retarded moves before that. Not retarded like "I wouldn't expect this from a professional", but like "This doesn't make any sense at all, everyone can see this will only help your adversary".
Of course, AlphaGo is far from being and AGI, but I wonder if an AGI going berserk would be like that: it encounter some situation that it just wasn't trained to deal with and it's behavior start to look random.
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>>53454375
Then the concept of "free will" is based on a misconception or simplification, like the term "sunrise," and when we speak of free will in all practical terms (be it in the context of neurology or AI) what we speak of is actually "sufficiently advanced computation." All brain function is ultimately mediated by the movements of electric charge, and there is no magic saying a computer cannot emulate those movements, even if it is a crude physics-based approximation.
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>>53454397
>He thinks free will is "free" even if he has no power over his will

What again makes it free or will?
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>>53454410
$100 you're the same faggot.
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>>53454409
Sure, that's what I've been saying this whole time, my original point was that actual free will, if it is a human trait, is beyond understanding. If it's not some kind of magic then it's "Close enough" free will caused by hyper advanced programming that a computer can emulate. However in both cases you can create unbreakable programmed rules
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>>53454268
>Anon, you can't make a program thing because you can't make sapience from non-sapient commands. There's no way to create sapience, only something that looks like it.
That's getting into philosophical zombie territory, which falls down the same "yeah but you can't prove it tho" trap as literally every observation except cogito ergo sum.

>we might think we're sapient, but we're just overly complex pre-programmed beings.
We're definitely just complex learning engines, there's already no doubt about that in science, but sapience is prescriptive. Whatever we are, that is sapience. Following that, since it exists in us, it's possible to recreate it (barring the exiatance of that special magical jebus energy you mentioned earlier, ie dualism).
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>>53454422
Quite a valid argument anon. I'm not
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>>53454427
>Beyond understanding
This is just more magical thinking on your part.
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>>53454392
>you can eventually figure out a layered model that could run all of the neuron bullshit going on
I also heard that neurons are much slower than transistors.

>>53454406
I think that things like beating humans in Go is a lot more primitive than they're letting on, as Go is very limited in dimension.

I heard that the AlphaGo team (what was the company called again? Dream something) wanted to make a Starcraft AI, though. That would be much more impressive, if it could compete with unhindered, professional Starcraft players. It's a much less restricted medium, but still a video game.

>>53454427
>actual free will, if it is a human trait, is beyond understanding
Jesus, this delusion.
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>>53454308
Regeneration is part of it, but I'm also referring to the rate at which atoms circulate through the cells themselves. Ironically, the only thing that sticks around forever is the junk that our metabolism cant clean out of our body, and that's just a byproduct of us existing and isn't really a part of our body any more than poop is.
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>>53454447
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to argue, how could literal "God made it so it works" be understandable?
>>53454453
>That delusion
How so? If Human's aren't input output machines how can we understand the illogical being we would be? You're just being pandemic now. How could you explain a "magical soul"?
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>>53454427
>I don't want to believe free will exists because I think determinism is more proven than it is, but yet I also want to think I'm magical and special for being human.
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>>53454453
They already started some work on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iZlrBqDYPM
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>>53454470
>I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to argue
Your argument is that we can't understand it, absolutely. This is magical thinking, because it's in defiance of logic. It proscribes that we're beyond the laws of physics.
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>>53454453
>I also heard that neurons are much slower than transistors.
yes, but neurons are basic building blocks that need to interact over time to produce results where a chipset can just flip a bit and have the clock advance to produce several results of hardware operations, for which neurons have to build an abstraction from scratch in the first place

but even then those hardware operations are in the order of billions to emulate a handful of neurons so that THEN they can start building those abstractions so that afterwards they can perform an operation like neurons would
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>>53454473
No anon, my point is if "Free will" as people like to treat it, actual free will, not super computing that emulates it, exists, then it's some magical soul shit that goes beyond our understanding of the fundamental laws of the universe.
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>>53454374
Because the question is a philosophical one. The scientific answer to the thing is that it doesn't really matter to science, a perfect copy is a perfect copy and lacks any distinguishable difference from the original.

That's not really an answer to the question at all, and science isn't the tool to answer questions of meaning and what is a concept at its most essential. That's why we into philosophy in the first place these days.
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>>53454497
Unless the universe isn't deterministic and quantum randomness exists to some degree, tardo.
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>>53454506
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem
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>>53454453
>I think that things like beating humans in Go is a lot more primitive than they're letting on, as Go is very limited in dimension.
For a computer, understanding Go on this level is actually a massive leap. You can think of it a bit like early smartphones. Ten years from now, the amount of buzz generated by AlphaGo will look hilarious and be an absolute punchline, but only because the technology derrived from the first leap will be ubiquitous and crucial.
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>>53454506
>The scientific answer to the thing is that it doesn't really matter to science
Anon thinks he can declare what matters to science like consciousness isn't the product of physical structures.
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>>53454506
Nobody is into philosophy now. It's outdated nonsense.
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>>53454517
I can't tell if you people are retarded. Either computers are super machines and machines can reach our levels, or we aren't in which case machines can't, at least not without some complete overhaul of everything we know, and even then it's likely not possible. Determinism has nothing to do with it because that only happens on a quantum level, not on a level that human brains operate on
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>>53454260
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pozDLjFUVbM
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>>53454535
>outdated nonsense
Philosophy is needed to form strong binds between a nations minds, it's a damn shame it doesn't fit nowadays.
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>>53454536
I think an anon replied to you earlier (and you ignored him) telling you that random input into a deterministic system is ultimately no different than random input into a random system, because you can't predict the output regardless.
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>>53454555
Philosophy has no purpose and is only a bridge between magical thinking and scientific thinking. With the advent of the later, it must be discarded.
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>>53454467
>Ironically, the only thing that sticks around forever is the junk that our metabolism cant clean out of our body
Just go through a cleanse :^)

>>53454470
Everything you think and feel are just electrical signals and chemical changes in your body. It's extremely complex to emulate, but if it was created by nature, it can be created artificially. We might not have the know-how or the technology to do that today, but it's pretty much accepted that our bodies can be created 100% artificially.

I mean we kind of already do it by reproducing ourselves. Our biology has the know-how.

>>53454495
I think we will be beyond binary computing by the time we get to AI that can resemble sapience. Far beyond binary computing.

>>53454506
>science isn't the tool to answer questions of meaning
lmao
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>>53454536
Non-determinism only happens on a quantum level that we know about*

This argument has boiled down to "Well maybe everything we know is wrong, I have no proof but it could happen, so saying robowaifus aren't real is retarded"

>>53454562
I never said they can't look like they are sapient, and if that's a good enough metric, and that's all we are, that's fine. But there's a difference between "You can't tell the difference" and it's not different. Same end result isn't the same as same process.
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>>53454586
>I never said they can't look like they are sapient
Another anon told you (and you ignored him) that sapience is proscriptive, and that regardless of what sapience truly is, we possess it, and thus it can be replicated by a machine.
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>>53454569
>no purpose
You disillusioned plebeian. Do you have no idea what philosophy has done for the world? The untold weight of influence that allowed man to delve into what make everything the way it is?
Your mind is shallow and will never be able to think for itself, enjoy mimicking the thoughts and actions of the ones that feed you, you damn baby bird.
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>>53454570
>Everything you think and feel are just electrical signals and chemical changes in your body. It's extremely complex to emulate, but if it was created by nature, it can be created artificially. We might not have the know-how or the technology to do that today, but it's pretty much accepted that our bodies can be created 100% artificially.
So in essence we are input-output machines, like I said was a possibility, just very complex ones.
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>>53454596
I know that it's outdated and has been supplanted by more advanced modes of thinknig.
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>>53454595
If our sapience is machine like, then we still can have hardcoded rules though
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>>53454571
>Beastkin
Use another word you lgbtq faggot
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Hog wild time?
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>>53454597
You keep going back to this like it's what people are debating. I think it's ultimately because you want to either believe in magic or just wank in sorrow about not being 'free' while everyone else wants to ignore you.
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>>53454519
That's referring to individual subatomic particles, anon, not consciousness. Because Quantum states are in such a low order of complexity, random, and go through extremely rapid turnover as they collapse and form, replicating them isn't essential to replicating a mind, even if quantum mechanics plays a part in our consciousness (which we honestly just don't know if it does or not).

Low order complexity only matters if it forms are consistent part of the pattern, otherwise every time you changed out some nuts and bolts on your car, it would mean you had a different car. That's what the ship of Theseus thing I mentioned earlier is about.
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>>53454525
Oh don't get me wrong, I actually agree that it's a huge leap for computing today. But it's still far off from anything that could really resemble sapience. I meant to portray current technology as being primitive to the potential at hand. Moore's law is just at a stall for now.

>>53454482
Well shit.

>>53454597
Yes, basically. There is nothing to suggest that what's in our bodies can't be recreated.
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>>53454571
Beastkin is a furry term.
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>>53454606
>advanced modes of thinknig.
>thinknig.
>nig
Aye, and you are a nig for your mind is closed to the truth of the world. Tell me then, use this method of thinking to describe the world to me. Do not repeat that which you have heard and blindly followed you ignorant soul, use this way of thinking and contribute to the flow to prove your point, with a new thought from you alone.
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>>53454608
They're called instincts.
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>>53454628
No anon, someone suggest that traditional programming doesn't pertain to "sapient AI" which is does, because "sapient" AI will be just very advanced traditional programs. Because that's all computers can be.
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>>53454596
>Do you have no idea what philosophy has done for the world?
Mythology has arguably helped the world just as much, but that doesn't mean Prometheus stealing fire for humanity is actually accurate.
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This retard pulled the same shit and had a screaming six hour fit in the jumpchain thread until he went insane and started crying about how free will didn't exist and we were all mean.
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>>53454652
Not me anon, never went to Jumpchan, get over yourself you big baby. Just because you think future computers will be magically different than normal ones doesn't matter. Alan Turing made this shit simple
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>>53454649
That just makes you extra autistic, because you wanted to whine about semantics and went so far around into other subjects that you confused everyone to your fucking goal.
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>>53454637
>>53454609
Since when the fuck has beastkin been a furry thing? I know they have otherkin, but you cannot possibly be serious that they completely ruined the term beastkin.
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>>53454649
You have a very limited understanding of what "traditional programs" actually entails, rather than how they are often used, and vastly overestimate the specialness of the human mind.
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Where are all the CYOAs
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>>53454639
>Soul
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>>53454650
One was a story to build courage and morals in man, the other is used to broaden ones mind and but heads while searching for the ever higher truths. The latter is so important because every thought in it's field is made by stepping of of another and launching higher.
>>53454691
>completely ruined the term beastkin.
M8, they basically made it with how synonymous it is.
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>>53454677
I've explained myself several times fairly clearly, that it depends on what "Human free will is" and that depending on that computers can have it or not, you jumping into an argument and REEEing doesn't mean shit.

>>53454695
Never said they were special, I said we were either computers ourselves or we weren't read above.
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>>53454691
It's always been used to describe anthropomorphic animals. Always.
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>>53454571
>beastkin
Beast People will trigger people here less.

Looks okay, other than that.
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>>53454724
Beast people also means furry.
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>>53454724
Thats still close.
>>53454571
Bestial is best.
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>>53454708
>>53454719
>>53454724
>>53454734
What about Chimera or Beastfolk?
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>>53454734
Bestial also means furry.

Just call them monsters.
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>>53454698
Killed by metaphysics.
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>>53454746
>Chimeric
Has some potential
>Beastfolk
100% furry.

Another alternative is just to call them monsters since it doesn't have direct animal associations.
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>>53454527
Anon, this isn't my option, this is philosophy of science 101, which defines what science is and what it does.

Science just tells us what the universe is doing, that's it. If you want answers about this kind of stuff, you have to look elsewhere until you can figure out how to peer review abstract concepts.

>>53454535
Science is a branch of philosophy. Every time you use critical thought, figure out a math problem, or generally just think, you're probably using a branch of philosophy.

>>53454570
Science is the study of the natural world, Anon, not pictures of space with interesting quotes superimposed over them.
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>>53454756
>philosophy
You might as well be arguing about Jesus.
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>>53454649
welllllllll
nowadays yeah code is computers is code
but back then computers executed instructions via manual input
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_8800
just saying

>>53454666
to be fair you have quantum computers to look forward to in the future unless someone proves it's impossible to do

conclusive points for me:
free will is loosely defined but
assuming it exists:
we can model it if/when we can understand any creatures that can take decisions
assuming it doesn't:
there's no point in wondering whether machines could have it
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>>53454751
But monsters are evil.
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>>53454756
consciousness isn't an abstract concept, it's an emergent property of physical systems.
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>>53454730
>>53454734
>>53454746
>>53454751
Weird. The first time I ever heard the term 'beast people' was from a synopsis of The Island of Doctor Moreau.
Wikipedia says they were actually called the Beast Folk.
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>>53454698
Here you go
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>>53454768
That's racist.
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>>53454666
>Just because you think future computers will be magically different than normal ones doesn't matter.
They will appear magical as perceived by us today, in the same vein as what a car would look like to someone who lived 1,000 years ago.

As I've said before, we're nearing the limits of binary computing. We could move away from silicon to something like graphene or titanium trisulfide, which would make much more efficient CPUs. That would give us another boost to computing power, but the real juicy leap will be when we get to quantum computing, which I believe is very, very far off. It takes a very large pressure chamber just to force an atom into 4 states.
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>>53454773
A lot of them were pretty furry.
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>>53454778
Actually, that's true.
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>>53454766
Back in my day we put the electrons in their place

I'm surprised no one brought up quantum computers, though I don't think the scope of their abilities is really anything more than a true RNG. Though honestly who knows. That's the crossover of a lot of unexplored sciences.
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>>53454756
>Science is the study of the natural world
Everything that makes up our bodies, including our minds and consciousness, are part of the natural world.
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>>53454786
I agree, it's true that it's racist.
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>>53454775
I have no idea if this is up to date or not.
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>>53454771
Then you should be able to define it for me. I mean an actual definition, not an example or synonym. Give me a genus and differentia.
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>>53454792
I disagree, they're evil.
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>>53454779
Maybe, but a computer is a computer in the end, no matter how fast or how big. The functions aren't new. A computer with enough time and space 50 years ago can do anything ours can now. Unless quantum changes what Turing proved
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>>53454804
It's only necessary that it be definable, not that I do so.
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>>53454289
Well, the approaches that seem to be working pretty well right now are mostly a lot of statistics joined to a lot of linear algebra. They don't greatly resemble human thought, as far as we can tell, but the software can perform human-ish tasks. So it's worth asking the question of whether we need sapience to beat human beings at everything that humans do, or whether humanity can be outclassed by a really, really big pile of linear algebra and statistics with a really, really big training set.

...I mean, manufacturing machinery lacks the versatility exhibited by human craftsmen, but factories can collectively outclass the human capacity to manufacture stuff anyway. Is it possible for a very large collection of very stupid programs to outclass human cognition in the same way, using only very large piles of linear algebra and statistics? I don't know! I think it's a good question.

>>53454453
>I also heard that neurons are much slower than transistors.
The degree of similarity between the two is commonly overstated. Maybe there are ways to get meaningful comparisons between the two that I don't know about, but the common arguments for equivalence are very roundabout; in practice, you simply wouldn't try to build something resembling a human brain using a lot of perceptrons (per se), because wouldn't work all that well.

>>53454495
>those hardware operations are in the order of billions to emulate a handful of neurons
Well, in the case of ANNs, you're talking about a mathematical abstraction of what a neuron does rather than a faithful model of a neuron, so you can actually run those fairly quickly, I think. It is interesting, and a little unnerving, that this approach works as well as it does.
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>>53454809
Stop treating theorems as absolute law. I don't care if it was invented by Turing or Einstein, never discount that a theory can be wrong if you can construct a competing theory.
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Anyone got any old style apocalypse shelter CYOAs?
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>>53454794
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>>53454784
I honestly can't tell if you mean furry as in 'covered in fur' or if you're implying that H. G. Wells, one of the OG scifi authors, had fetish for animal people.

Actually, he DID invent the Morlocks…
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>>53454571
I want to be a beautiful fallen angel.
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>>53454827
As I said, it's possible, but the burden of proof is on disproving a proven law. Otherwise you're just musing maybes.
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>>53454828
There are no more cyoas. The well is dry, and will never spring up again.
Try to not dwell on this too long. Just leave this site, find something more productive to do.
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>>53454844
go away angelanon.
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>>53454635
>There is nothing to suggest that what's in our bodies can't be recreated.
This is true, but it's not simple; if it was, drug discovery would be far, far easier than it is.

(Drug development is a process of trial and error in part because we can't model humans— or rats, or mice, or other model organisms— very well; in fact, it's fair to say that a predictive model of human physiology, in this sense, is currently pure fantasy.)
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>>53454867
Let's just start experimenting on third worlders.
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>>53454877
No thanks
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>>53454823
>you're talking about a mathematical abstraction of what a neuron does rather than a faithful model of a neuron
i am aware, but it's a good enough abstraction to do what a neuron does at a practical level (get inputs, barf outputs and make them able to adapt to any logical problem.)

Proof to the last statement for everyone else
Let w1 and w2 be weights to the perceptron be 1 and 1
Let the result of the activation function step(2, x) be the output of the perceptron
The value of the perceptron x is w dot i
for the following pairs of inputs...
1,0 or 0,1 => step(2, 1) = 0
0,0 => step(2, 0) = 0
1,1 => step(2, 2) = 1

there, you have a NAND.
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>>53454889
Why not though?
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Anybody make a new thread yet? This one is decaying rapidly.
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Heyo, Pirate life author here, quick question.
>>53444081
on a scale from 1 to 10 how much do you hate cyoa with wall of text like this one. No good? Rather less words on options at cost of losing some fluff or info on the world.
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>>53454809
>The functions aren't new.
Logic doesn't somehow change itself, you know. What changes is computing power, and thus, feasibility.

It was unfeasible 50 years ago to compute the things we do today, as it is unfeasible today to, say, brute force the entirity of AES.

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/6141/amount-of-simple-operations-that-is-safely-out-of-reach-for-all-humanity/6149#6149

It's basically impossible, and will be, for a very long time to break AES through pure brute force. But 50 years from now, the cost and time that it would take to brute force AES would be less than what it would cost today. And it may continue to decrease to the point when it becomes feasible.

It's not hard to say that programming sapience is not underneath the same concept.
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>>53454897
I have feelings too
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Gee, I thought this was /cyoag/, not /retardedargumentsaboutdeterminismgeneral/
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>>53454916
0, I like reading.
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>>53454790
Everything that makes up our mind and consciousness is a part of the natural world, yes. Like I said, if you're just studying the natural world, then simply replicating the way our brain works is sufficient to be recreated.

If you want to know if that copy is really you, you have to delve a little bit into science in the form of information Theory and into philosophy to demonstrate how it being you is the only logically consistent answer. I suppose you could call it an abstracted form of math, but that's all that philosophy really is. I could give you a logic proof (which is math purest form), but putting in the alt codes for the symbols is AIDS and I'm a lazy shit, so just Google it. This particular conversation is really old, so it should be easy to find.


>>53454819
Now we're getting somewhere. Consciousness itself isn't definable because it isn't measurable, it's a personal experience. We can measure the physical mechanisms of Consciousness, which is either Neuroscience or psychology depending on which mechanism you're talking about, and we can even use these measurements to determine if something is conscious or not within a p-value, but those two and other every other branch of science utterly incapable of defining what it actually is. Again, that line is something they really hammer into you in your undergrad years, not my personal opinion. I can't really teach four years of classes in a 4chan post, so forgive me if I'm being a little simplistic.
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>>53454922
>What changes is computing power, and thus, feasibility.
Sure that's why I said "With enough time and space"

>It's not hard to say that programming sapience is not underneath the same concept.
Sure with the whole humans are organic computers thing, yeah that wold work, never said it wouldn't. My only point is computers are fundamentally the same, and how programming works, that is to say the intrinsic rules, will be the same.

>>53454952
Just make a new thread, we're already on page 10, this happens like almost every time.
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>>53454966
>and into philosophy
Nope.
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>>53454952
lets hope the new thread people can contain their shit

I'm not optimistic
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>>53454967
I don't understand, then. What about "free will" makes you think that humans are some how magic, if it can be completely recreated artificially? Because they're fundamentally different?

I don't doubt that artificial intelligence, as humanity is imagining it, will be fundamentally, physically different from human intelligence. But even so, that doesn't dismiss the fact that the human psych can be completely recreated in the exact same fashion.

With enough time and space, you can create a human being exactly as a human being should be. We just won't, because it's probably much easier to create something within the bounds of turing computing.
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>>53454966
A copy of you isn't you because you aren't two people; at the very least the copy sees through a different pair of eyes and occupies a different physical space.
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>>53455094
It depends if you keep the copies linked mentally. If you separate them, they undergo different experiences and begin to diverge, similar to how you diverge from who you were an arbitrary amount of time ago. You're a very different person now than you were 10 years ago, for example. There's a bunch of quibbling over how much change constitutes a new person, but for the sake of argument we're going to assume that any change is enough.

If you keep them linked though, it's effectively the same as just having two bodies. The minds are uniform and both experience with the other is experiencing, kind of like distributed computing. A bit off topic, but you could even distribute the computational operations of the mind in question across two brains as long as you kept the person's original information structure the same.
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>>53453668
How about this since its already kinda the shorthand for my name?
Also, fuck my ass I feel asleep for 2 hours and I'm suddenly wide awake again for no reason...
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>>53453676
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>>53455180
>I feel asleep for 2 hours and I'm suddenly wide awake again for no reason...
>I feel asleep for 2 hours
There is your reason.
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>>53455166
I guess you're right, but adding (*if you have a perfect hivemind) to "they're the same" is pretty big and important caveat.
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>>53455222
Yeah, sorry if I was unclear about that.

The interesting thing is that your brain doesn't have to be active and functioning while this happens. The slow turnover of consciousness from one body to another like what's been mentioned before in this thread feels more intuitive, but the actual process of what's happening isn't any different.

If I put your brain in a stasis field, scanned it, destroyed it while in the stasis field so that it couldn't change it all after the scan, waited six hundred years and then made a new identical brain or uploaded it into a computer or something, it would be essentially the same as if I made you into a two body hivemind and instantaneously disintegrated one of the bodies.

One feels a lot more intuitive because it mimics a physical handing off of information. The thing is that information isn't bound by space and time like physical things, so it doesn't really give a fuck about being handed off or not.

Practically speaking, if/when we have the technology to actually do this, we're probably going to do a slow hand off rather than a teleporter style transfer just because people will be more comfortable with it. The actual information process going on is identical, though.
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>>53455424
>The thing is that information isn't bound by space and time like physical things
Magical thinking.
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>>53455432
I copy a file from my computer onto yours, delete it on mine, then download it from your computer back onto the exact same sector where it was on mine, down to the flipped magnetic plates on the HDD. Without referencing the files' history, which isn't an intrinsic part of it (Google that one if you're not sure, not even I'm masochistic enough to try to explain that one on 4chan), explain what makes any one of those files more authentic then any of the others, assuming no copying errors.

What If instead of copying it onto your computer, instead I zeroed out each bit in the file on my hard drive and rewrote it to the original bit one by one?

It's a modern interpretation, but these questions are why information theory is a thing.

The answer is that they're all equally authentic. Information isn't tied to space and time because it can exist in multiple places at once. Only changing information can make it more or less "the real thing." The really trippy part is that it doesn't even have to be a file transfer or have any sort of causality. If we had random number generators that turned up the same file, that would be equally valid.
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>>53455547
Information in the brain is encoded in neurons electrically. A copy is using different electrons, so no, it's not the same.
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