DRAGONS Edition Previously: >>53432288 >Commander

>>53442298
>Are you gonna buy any of the tribal precons this year?
5c humans if thats one of the tribes
my ephara human tribal deck could use some better humans

>>53442298
I'm gonna do what I do every year.
Preorder one of each from a guy I know at 20% less than MSRP, so I won't have to worry when the price spikes for half of them.

>>53442298
Why does O-Kagachi have to be so bad? I get that it fits the Kamigawa theme of bad cards but jeez he's bad.

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>>53442335
O-Kagachi and Ludevic are the reason why I have actually stopped hoping for a Serra Planeswalker card, and instead I hope they never ever touch my favorite character.

>>53442298
And answering the question, dragons look nice but I'm not a big fan of the tribe. Waiting to see what the other decks will have inside or a wizards tribal that doesn't end up being LabMan.dek.

>>53442335
At least he could be worse? It could be "if that player's creatures dealt combat damage to you last turn." or some shit like that.

>>53442369
I'd be fine if they introduced my favorite character.
Then again, my favorite character is Vronos, so any mention of him would be fantastic.

>>53442380
The problem is that in the lore, O-Kagachi was a god being of such immense power he warped and destroyed reality around himself when he was in the mortal realm, and he was the undisputed god of all kami.
And now he's a shitty 6/6 that can get killed by shitty The Unspeakable or Kuro, Pitlord.

>>53442335
>oh hes not actually that bad
>completely forgot the "if that player attacked you this turn clause
holy fucking shit this is beyond awful
>>53442376
kill yourself tripfag

>>53442424
Plus, O-Kagachi should've been Spirit and not Dragon.
They only made him Dragon to force him into the dragon tribal deck.

They also completely forgot about "whenever you spirit or arcane" and divinity counters and the like, so he doesn't even mesh with the already established themes of Kamigawa.

>>53442424
To be fair Kuro's card can kill Marit Lage and the Eldrazi Titans.

>>53442424
not to mention zergo helmsmasher lol

>>53442298
>Are you gonna buy any of the tribal precons this year?
It'll depend on what the other 3 are. The Dragon one is neat, but not my cup of tea, so I won't be buying that.

>>53442424
>And now he's a shitty 6/6 that can get killed by shitty The Unspeakable or Kuro, Pitlord.
Vorosh the hunter can ascend past godhood if he attacks someone and pays 3 mana lol

>>53442439
The funny part is that exiling one nonland permanent when attacking wouldn't even be that big of an effect anyway. Tacking on the extra effect just blows.

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>>53442441
O-Kagachi has pretty much always been a big-ass Spirit Dragon Hydra thing though.

>>53442441
>They also completely forgot about "whenever you spirit or arcane" and divinity counters and the like, so he doesn't even mesh with the already established themes of Kamigawa.
Probably because Kamigawa's mechanics were all parasitic as fuck?

>>53442369
I can't wait for the inevitable shitty Yawgmoth card. I want to watch the world burn.

>>53442502
Have they ever done an article on just how bad the design was in Kamigawa?

>>53442497
Hydra != Dragon
And O-Kagachi is most like a snake if anything.
It's based on the Yamata no Orochi of Japanese folklore, which is literally an 8 headed snake. Not dragon.
They only made the card for it a dragon to force it into the dragon tribal deck.

>>53442520
Look at this fuckin' weeaboo, assmad that the Japan-themed plane doesn't perfectly match Shinto lore

Cat Dragon is going to be the deck everyone wants to play
its not a back breaking deck but its in good colors, has good abilities and makes adorable tokens

>>53442533
>generic shit jund aggro
Yawn

>>53442524
>you can't know a little about another culture other than your own or else you're a weaboo

>>53442497
In that card specifically his hydra heads look like snakes so he's a mesh of a lot of stuff. He should've been just a spirit, the typing was the biggest fuck-up.

>>53442524
The plane is a pretty good representation actually, it's the card in question which is Ludevic-levels of what the fuck is that supposed to be.

>>53442540
>aggro
>edh
lol

>>53442533
>makes adorable tokens
the only thing that matters

>>53442547
Precisely my point

>>53442567
theres nothing about that card that leads to agro numbnuts

>>53442484
Vorosh is an alternate timeline Primeval Dragon though (alternate to Rith, specifically). He's basically a God already

I don't care about dragons at all but I'm glad other people are getting fun toys to play with.

Still waiting for an Abzan enchantress commander.

>>53442574
>ability that triggers on combat damage
>ability that conditionally shits tokens
>not aggro
Why do I even come here between retards like this anymore

>>53442599
You already have one. His name is Karador.

>>53442599
>Abzan Enchantress
>not GW Enchantress
???

>>53442604
>only agro decks deal combat damage
>theres no support for weaponizing sacrifice effects in jund
please tell me you are trolling

>>53442639
daxos returned??
animate dead?

>>53442626
Is this bait?

>>53442639
My favorite enchanment is Dark Tutelage so I need black.

>>53442660
Considering Enchantresses are literally GW and never B, other anon has a point.

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>>53442651
You have like 40 generals that can "weaponize sacrifice effects" a dozen times better than flying toxoplasma. Pic related can do it without a second card even!

>>53442663
Yes.

>>53442639
>GW Enchantress that gives all your enchantments flash
If only

>>53442663
>Dark Tutelage
>literally a worse Phyrexian Arena

>>53442673
but its also a 5/4 for 5 which is hardly an aggresviely costed creature
so its not really an agro deck either

its going to be the prossh deck that isnt broken as all hell, a commander that the color identity desperately needed imho

>>53442651
>Weaponizing sacrifice effects
So, why would you not use a Commander that benefits from sacrificing (Kresh and Sek'Kuar give you value out of saccing things inherently, and Shattergang/Prossh give you an outlet) and GOOD sources of sac-fodder, which are abundant in those colors? This is the Tama argument all over again. You have to connect with your aggressively-costed Dragon Commander to MAKE those tokens, and those 3/3 fliers are better used attacking for 3 in the air than they are being fed to value engines the way you'd feed 0/1 Spawn and 1/1 Saprolings.

If you wanna go the sac-for-value route, she's a really poor choice as a Commander.

>>53442708
Except "Prossh, but not broken" is just a shitty Dragon.

>>53442708
That would be Sek'kuar

>>53442729
Yea, all valid points, but those cat dragon tokens are C U T E!

>>53442729
At least with Tana you can pump those saprolings for good use with Cathar's Crusade or Overrun effects. What is one cat per turn (if the opponent lets you even) gonna do?

>>53442324
Must be nice to have a guy who sells yku sealed product at a net loss.

>>53442729
difference is this is a 5/4 flying trampler not a 2/2
the only reason I brought up the token sac thing was because the other poster was implying the only use for the tokens was "agro"
>>53442739
I dont think the nefarox like ability is particularly bad on him, and it gets even more value when they have nothing left to sac
>>53442755
Sek'kuar is def a good replacement too, hes currently the commander on my jund deck but im going to be testing the new one because I think it will fit better

>>53442759
Can't argue that.

>>53442802
I'd much rather play a 5/4 flier for 5 that makes 3/3 fliers than a 2/2 trampler for 4 that makes 1/1s.

>>53442866
you also have to recognize that most of the time they will be forced to sacrifice a creature

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>>53442298
crouching tiger nutting dragons.dec

>>53442878
I'd still rather pay 1 more mana for +3/+2 and swapping the trample for Flying.

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>>53442298
I'll buy the Dragons precon because I was going to build Karrthus eventually, so I guess now's the time.

Why is Karrthus still $13 when he's not that great of a card in the first place?

>>53442935
One printing, no reprints, semi-popular commander. (everyone that wants to make dragon tribal but not go full Scion 5c)

>>53442687
Id also accept a Bant enchantress if you want flash. Something like this:

WUG
Anon, Seer of Nyx
Legendary Human Wizard
You may cast enchantment cards as though they had flash.
Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, scry 1.
2/3

>>53442935
>>53442953
I dont even understand why he is so popular when his is just a huge liabilty for dragon tribal. One clone just destroys you.

>>53442898
i agree thats why im excited to try it instead of sek'

>>53442898
oh also the cat dragon has trample and flying

>>53442997
Because depending on your area Clones may not be super common, and most decks that lean heavily on him have sac outlets.

>>53443033
So you're really just paying B more for +3/+2, flying, and swapping guaranteed tokens-per-damage for an Edict-on-swing that gives you a 3/3 if they can't.

Yeah, I'd say that's miles better than Tana.

>>53443063
that and the only partner combos you can use to get in those colors are
(3 color)
-butt life
-not bloodbraid
-vialsmasher

and to be honest if you are playing a 4c version and still using tana its going to be pretty specialized.

Im looking forward to its release

>>53442953
Yeah I get that, but he's not an amazing commander that has a lot of synergies to build around with like Black Mikeaus or Rhys the Redeemed, and like >>53442997 said clones fuck him over. I suppose I can just try using Wasitora as the head of the deck and see if it would run just fine.

I bet they're going to reprint him in Iconic Masters, just wait.

>>53441738

It'll sound boring, but a nice "toolbox" commander that has some nice triggers based off of creatures entering the battlefield or leaving the battlefield maybe? Even if it's "Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, you may pay X. If you do, draw a card." And "Whenever a creature you control leaves the battlefield you may discard a card. If you do, draw a card." Could double as a madness enabler.

>>53441773

I think there should be a few moderately priced "catch up" cards that basically work like Gift of Estates only for card draw form, or a sorcery version of Sandstone Oracle in white.

>>53443146
make a legend named
x the sun forger
because atm sunforger is one of like 4 cards that make boros fun

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Better?

>>53443172
>still has the "if I was attacked last turn" clause
not better

>>53443168
Gisela alone is a good reason to run Boros

>>53443146
>RW Madness
That'd be neat.
Maybe something like "Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, you may pay 1. If you do, draw a card." and "Whenever a creature you control leaves the battlefield, you may discard a card. If you do, that card gains madness. The madness cost is equal to its mana cost."
Or something.

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>>53443210
shes def one of the 4 for sure
its like
sun forger
gisela
one of the lords that says 3 damage to a player when you cast a red spell gain 3 life if you cast a white spell
and the removal spell with kicker that blows up an artifact or enchantment and can remove a creature too ill add it as a picture

How would you feel about a R/W commander with
>At the beginning of your upkeep, draw a card if you have fewer cards in hand than an opponent, gain 1 life if your life total is less than an opponent's, and create a 1/1 red and white Soldier creature token if you control fewer creatures than an opponent.

>>53443172
Nah the whole card is fucked.
>revenge motif
>no haste

>>53443352
the drawing is kinda out of color
might have to exile top card of library and be able to play it (not cast) until end of turn

what about
at the beginning of your upkeep exile the op card of your library you may play it until end of turn
if that card is red or white it costs 1 colorless less to play

>>53443266
Balefire Liege.

>>53443438
thank you
i fucking love that card more than I should
it feels soooo good to play

>>53443266
>Boros Reckoner/Spitemare
>Deflecting Palm

>>53443352
>R/W commander
>draw a card
No

>>53443545
>Deflecting Palm
do people actually play that card?

>>53443620
I do.

Granted, it's in a deck that's nothing but redirect effects.

wait is it time for /edhg/ to build a boros deck together?

>>53443566
Tithe effects are completely in whites color, and would be a great way to make RW more viable in commander.


Though in a multiplayer game a RW commander with card draw tithe might be a bit strong.

>>53443647
>Though in a multiplayer game a RW commander with card draw tithe might be a bit strong.
this is why jeskai and mardu are good color combos

>>53443401
>>53443566
White has the ability to draw cards to restore parity when it's disadvantaged.

>>53443647
>other color combos have card draw
>therefore the solution is to get card draw too
booooriiiing
Boros should be about punishing others for having unfair advantage, not playing cuckoldy catch-up with it

>>53443669
Not really

>>53443172
Give it haste, and make it do something that interacts with spirits

>>53443455
He's cool but I'm afraid to run it in my Boros deck because it might fuck up Skullclamp and I only have 17 spells with {R} in it.

>>53443711
>catch up

That is whites shtick though, hence stuff like tithe, land tax, knight of the white orchid and friends.

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>>53443764
>Fuck up skullclamp

I have done this an embarrassingly amount of large times via Ravos

>>53443765
But it isn't red's shtick, like, at all

>>53443620
It's played in Naya Burn in Modern.

I use it along with Comeuppance in my Sunforger package.

>>53443711
>Not really
I mean, they haven't explored the 'draw' option a lot, but white absolutely has "restore parity" cards. Weathered Wayfarer, Land Tax, Gift of Estates, Knight of the White Orchid, Linvala 2.0, Pulse of the Fields.

>>53443794
RW doesn't mean it has to be something that both colors share.


Unless its hybird R/W symbols, then it has to be something in both color's pie.

>>53443794
So, because it isn't red, a red/white card can't do it?

>>53443810
It's mostly in Naya Burn as a "fuck you" to Infect. They pump it up, swing, you no-sell the damage and dome them for 7+.

>>53443819
I'd expect the optimal red/white commander to reflect both color's attitudes equally.

>>53443828
Wouldn't it royally fuck over DSJ too?

>>53443838
So have it do something red AND something white. White can restore parity, and red can punish them for getting too far ahead or something.

If that's your metric, you must only have 1 or 2 decks, because it's VERY hard to design a 2 color card that only does something BOTH colors can do, with it not being shitty. The only effect I can think of off-hand that's fitting in Red and White is "destroy target artifact".

>Are you gonna buy any of the tribal precons this year?
I'll be getting the Dragon one because of the fuckton of legendaries spoiled in it. And because I'd probably do a deck with just the catdragon.

>>53443828
That's just untrue. Burn already had an excellent matchup against Infect and even then they still run it even after Infect was banned out of the format.

>>53443711
>Not really

White has cards like Convalescent Care that are supposed to only help when you're in danger.

>>53443867
"destroy all lands"

>>53443855
If Burn had a hand at the time Shadow clocks in for 10 sure. They don't though.

>>53443838
Stuff like this happens all the time, where the secondary color really only sort of backs up the other color's attitude. For some random examples, Tajic isn't particularly Red, Medomai doesn't really have much White to him, Saffi Eriksdotter could be mono-White, etc.

>>53442298
>Are you gonna buy any of the tribal precons this year?

Yes. I am going to buy two of the Dragons precon. One to play mostly as is, probably with some modifications, and another one to either rip apart for its dragons or to very heavily modify.

Which means I will have three Dragon Tribal EDH decks with my Intet Dragon Tribal.

Oh no, I'm not a dragon furry, am I?!

>>53444045
i hate you

>>53442892
Multicolored Tribal here we go

>>53443980
But almost all Boros commanders are already just "white with haste". The only Boros commanders that sort of reflect on the red aspect are Gisela and Brion, in particular the latter, being a glorified Bloodshot Cyclops.

>>53444045
Scalies are the worst.

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>>53442298
Thoughts on taigam? It's nice that they knew his Dragon related ability isn't really good enough to make him a dragon commander alone. His rebound effect is a cool mirror of ydris but he cant deal damage easily without trample. I don't play white/blue, who here knows what would be the best way to get him in for damage besides I suppose whispersilk cloak

>>53442546

Except it's not? Ludevic was a group hug card for some reason, while O-Kagachi has a perfectly flavorful revenge-based mechanic? If you're seriously gonna complain about it not being mechanically powerful, then you probably didn't care about Kamigawa in the first place.

>>53444308
Not all commanders need to get in for damage.
Taigam only needs to attack to work, not even deal damage, so just add in Reconnaissance or Gustcloak Savior or the like.

>>53444356
Also Ith, High Arcanist and Maze of Ith.

>>53444308
He doesn't have to assign damage, though. If you give him something like ghostly possession, his ability would still trigger every turn.

>>53444324
Stop answering with questions, you fucking redditor.

>>53444356
>>53444397
Ah, you're right. I can't read

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>>53442298
>Are you gonna buy any of the tribal precons this year?
As soon as I see some spoilers that aren't blatant fakes, I'll let you know.

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>>53444324
>perfectly flavorful "revenge" mechanic
>only takes out one thing at a time
>go through all of the effort to play 5C
>to play something that has no self-protection
>doesn't actually interact with soulshift, spirits or arcane
>no cool spirit tribal interaction
>greatest of all kamis
>a literal walking pile of shit has the same power as it

Anyone have recommendations for cards in Orzhov that'll let me make use of all the life I'm extorting?
All I have so far is Bitterblossom and Necropotence.

>>53444615
These are all literally perfect.

>>53444615
I am very happy with jund dragon
even if you removed le ebin catz XDXDXDXD from the equation

>>53444654
It's flavorful because O-Kagachi won't fuck with you until you fuck with it, and the entire Kami War was "Some asshole stole from the gods".

I'll give you that the 'revenge' requirement and 5 colors to only eat one thing at a time isn't very strong, but that has nothing to do with the 'flavor' argument. Most of your arguments are attacking that it's not a STRONG card, which is not what he was arguing, at all.

Also, again, it doesn't interact with Soulshift or Arcane because those are shitty parasitic mechanics. I guaran-fucking-tee if they'd put Soulshift on it, or had it interact with Arcane, you would have been bitching about how half the precon is shitty Kamigawa trash.

>>53442298
>Are you gonna buy any of the tribal precons this year?
Depends if the other tribes are cool. [spoilers]Please be Slivers![/spoilers]

When you make a deck, you do guys put a combo (infinite or not) in the deck just in case?

>>53444737
I used to not but after going through slog games I started at least putting one combo. Dualcaster Mage+Heat Shimmer in Rx decks most of the time because both cards are useful anyway.

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>>53444737
>Slivers
>>53444766
>Animal Brollective

dear lord /edhg/ is literally worse without the sperg posting

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How to fix Commander 2015:

Meren: Doesn't do anything if you don't have enough experience counters
Mizzix is fine
Ezuri: Can also pump himself up
Daxos: His own ability increases exp counters too. It costs BW instead of 1BW
Kalemne: Mirrors Ezuri ability but with creatures with 3 power or more. Has trample. Gains +2/+2 per exp counter.

Is this fine, or not?

>>53444883
>tumblr image

I R O N Y
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>>53444910
>Mizzix is fine

>>53444737
Slivers and Eldrazi are never ever in a gorilllion years going into a precon or get new commanders, they are facelessmookhivemind.tribe and as such it's extremely hard to design new commanders for them without taking a major shit on all of their lore.

>>53444722
>muh flavor
See, here's the thing. O-Kaga started a FUCKING WAR. He didn't just slowly remove an opponent's board bit by bit. He didn't order tepid little drive-bys, he ordered a goddamn war. This is a kami that can regularly exile all creatures nbd. Not just one card at a time, but a gigantic "Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you and fuck the horses you rode in on."
In flavor, it's supposed to be "You mess with O-kagachi, you get mega fucked. You, your family, your friends, you kingdom, and your entire goddamn world."

>>53444910
>Meren: Doesn't do anything if you don't have enough experience counters
Wow that's the most retarded statement i've seen so far on this general

>>53444937
Of the Experience commanders it goes
Meren
Ezuri/Mizzix
Blaxos
Kalemne

Ezuri and Mizzix are decently balanced. Meren is too strong, Kalemne is too weak.

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>>53444965
There was literally an Eldrazi and a Sliver precon though.

>>53444696
Unspeakable Symbol
Withering Boon :^)
Bond of Agony
Demon of Death's Gate
Dystopia
Greed and Greedlikes
Hatred
INfernal Darkness
Necrologia
Phyrexian Reclamation
Plague of Vermin
Plunge into Darkness
Promise of Power
Purgatory
Slaughter
Snuff Out

I'd get Greed effects and Purgatory, along with a few other things but that's all to your discretion.

>>53444981
>implying he'll ever understand that
Sometimes it's best to drop things at times. mainly when you made your point of course.

>>53444910
Actually, I'd say the easiest way to fix Meren is to make her only get experience counters from NONTOKEN creatures. That way you can't just play Awakening Zone and tick her up by 1 every turn without doing fuck-all. Ezuri doesn't need a buff.

>>53445003
Not COMMANDER precon, the precons you're talking about didn't have a speshul snoflake legend designed for commander

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>>53444910
>Mizzix is fine

>>53444910
I don't understand where are you trying to get...

>>53444937
What's wrong with Mizzix?

>>53444910
Make Kalemne power 4 or more, so it keep the theme of huge creatures without fucking it up completely. +2/+2 seems too much, I like trample on her though.

>>53445028
>NONTOKEN
spot on

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Give me B/G Skeletons, godammit WotC.

>>53444981
Well, to be fair, that war was when Konda stole O-Kagachi's daughter.

This might be post-war, when he's more chill, but still doesn't appreciate being fucked with, so his revenge is more appropriately scaled.

>>53444913
>image says tumblr
>he must have gotten it from tumblr
>this somehow makes my wanting slivers anything other than asinine

>>53445031
Okay but Hanweir and Sliver Legion invalidate your argument, they're both shoehorned in legendaries that had no lore basis prior to us being told they exist.

>>53445049
Unless I'm missing something there's exactly 2 B/G Skeletons, neither of which are very good, and one Green skeleton, which is quite good.

>>53444989
can you explain your irrational position?

So I'm thinking the key to a great Ramos deck is going to be to rush him out with sol ring/grim monolith/mana vault/ancient tomb etc etc, use multi colored cascade after he's on the board as well as things to cheat +1/+1 counters onto him, swing high for a lot, then use his counters to play 10 mana worth of shit out of my hand, which will also buff him back up a few counters at least. Eventually dump his 10 mana + any mana I can make in lands into giant Exsanguinates and Debt to the Deathless etc...

Just thinking how to get the most value out of it, obviously he's a big flyer so you want to swing with him then use his ability to control the board or get some card advantage...

Anyone have any other ideas?

>>53445073
Hanweir at least had the benefit of story behind it. It wasn't some lost Fourth Titan, it was 'legendary' because it was an offshoot of Ulamog (I think? Not sure which brood) that swallowed up an entire city. That's why it was 'legendary', was because of those circumstances. That's not a well they can really keep going back to for new Legendary Eldrazi.

And people were PISSED about Sliver Legion.

>>53445061
>This might be post-war, when he's more chill
Take five minutes to read the lore before you talk out your ass. There is no post-war O-Kagachi, Michiko and Kyodai took him apart and assumed his position.

>>53445089
That was my idea except Pull from Tomorrow and Sphinx's Revelation.

>>53445065
Please stop, you're hurting my feeling. ;_;

>>53445106
Oh, wow, I made a single fucking mistake about the lore for a shitty plane from 13 years ago, better go fucking kill myself

You are literally the only one mad about this.

>>53445085
Yeah, my bad. I though Skullbriar was one, which would've made it more appealing for it not just be mono-B.

>>53444989

Meren is too strong man. She pumps value as easily as Mizzix and gets counters as easily as Ezuri.

She either fulfills the condition or doesn't. No free resources every turn. Or she costs more. I'd be fine with her at 5CMC too.

>>53445073
If they did it that doesn't mean they're gonna do it again, it wasn't received very well if they are smart they aren't gonna do it again

>>53445116
Keep arguing from your vast well of ignorance, dipshit. This is my first post in this thread.

>>53445046

Storm, free counterspells and free turns. Once she gets some counters it's over.

Baral is preety good by just reducing stuff by 1, compare it to Mizzix which is a fucking nightmare if she has just 3 counters. Counters everything, free turns forever, repeat until she storms the table out

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>>53445135
>Wizards
>learning from their mistakes
Ha, they never do.
Just like how they completely ignored all the negative feedback about Aftermath and Invocations, when 95% of people were telling them directly across all platforms that they were shit.
Same with the while Gatewatch bs, they say they learned their lesson, but I bet they haven't and are only saying that to put out the fire for now.

>>53445167
Mizzix is male.

>>53444308
Reconnaissance and Maze of Ith let him attack with impunity, as does Holy Day or anything else that would prevent all damage. Throw in some big draws, extra turns, and mana-positive spells and he could be a pretty good spellslinger/storm commander. Casting Mind's Desire the turn after you throw out a zillion little cantrips with rebound is probably going to be game if you've got much of anything worth hitting (though sadly you can't rebound desired cards.

Anything with Buyback or (multi)kicker gets pretty hilarious when given rebound since you can decline to pay the first time around and still tack on the bonuses the second time around, letting you get two shots of the main effect and one of the bonus without ever actually hitting the mana needed to fully charge something all in one go.

Or you could just use Call to Mind and its clones (there are four if you only care about sorceries) to get infinite turns off a Time Warp (Turn 0 Time Warp. Extra turn 1 Warp rebounds, cast Call to Mind for warp. Extra turn 2 Ctm Rebounds cast Warp, Extra turn 3 warp rebounds cast a CTM clone for warp, Extra turn CTM-clone rebounds for CTM, cast Warp...)

>>53444722
More power IS in flavor for O-Kagachi though. If it mechanically powerful then it doesn't reflect O-Kagachi.

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>>53445187

Look at thick, brown goblin tits and tell me otherwise

>>53445089
Multicolor tribal feat Bringers was my initial idea since you can play two Bringers from a trigger and the white one retrieves Ramos in case he dies or returns a Door to Nothingness into play.

>>53445167
She's a spellslinger general, what did you expected. And she needs to build those three counters before slinging shit around, from my experience she always eats removal before 3 if you don't have a Greaves ready or some way to dodge wipes. Just like Ezuri, but without needing to rely on a single card to win (Sage of Hours).

>>53445187
*female

>>53445146
>Makes one mistake about lore
>"Vast well of ignorance"

>>53444615
Look at this dumbass and laugh.

>>53445170
To be fair, by the time we saw Aftermath and Invocations it was waaaaaaaaay too late for them to change any of it.

>>53445170
re: Aftermath and Invocations, the shit was already made. Sets are in the game equivalent of post-production by the time they start getting spoiled. I think Maro has acknowledged some of the bigger complaints, and mentioned that we won't be seeing big changes in direction on those fronts for at least a year because of their production cycle.

>>53444737
Yeah, usually Palinchron and any of the dozen things that let chron go infinite.

>>53444722
I think there must be some developement of the lore behind it like they did with Atraxa confirming that Urabrask was alienated by the other Praetors. Maybe he got fucked up by someone or something

>>53444989
None of the other ones can do anything without counters, Meren shouldn't be able to either. She gets back a card for free every turn without you even doing anything. The other 2015 commanders do nothing without counters.

>>53445116
>talks about flavor
>cant be fucked to google "o-kagachi mtg" to get a quick rundown and not look like an idiot
Reddit ruined this game.

>>53445232
Maybe if you don't know the basic facts and can't be bothered to check you shouldn't talk about it.

>>53444108

White's dabbled in extra combat a bit back in Lorwyn/Shadowmoor, so aurelia's a fair mix of the two colors and not just X with a bit of Y stapled to it.

>>53445284
>>53445276
So, the sperg has switched from Goalposts to screaming about lore from 13 years ago and insulting anyone who hasn't memorized it.

>>53444737
Honestly an Eminence sliver legendary would have to be a lot more interesting than "costs 1 less" to get me to abandon Overlord toolboxing ... but one can hope just for all the possibilities for new crazy effect slivers.

With the advent of another 5-colour Commander set coming out with tribes as the theme, we're all but confirmed to have the Angel deck so that it sells mad dosh.

What are the chances in that Angel deck we'll finally see Feather getting a printing?

>>53445306
There is no guarantee they're all 5c.

>>53445296
Shhh, don't let other anons heard you. There's a lot of Sliver hate around here.

>>53445296
Well, the Eminence thing is probably just "this works in the Command Zone and on the battlefield both", and each of the ones WITH it will do something slightly different. "Cost 1 less" is useful for Dragons, not so much for Slivers.

>>53444737
>>53445296
>four 5c legendaries isn't enough for slivers fanboys
W E W

>>53445028
The nontoken approach would be the shortest amount text change (just add one word) but I think another way of balancing her is requiring the death of multiple creatures in a given turn in order for the ability to trigger in the first place. Something like:
At the beginning of your end step, if two or more creatures you controlled died this turn, you get an experience counter for each creature you controlled that died this turn.
This would still allow for explosive XP growth but would require at least two creatures dying AND Meren surviving to the end step.

>>53444981
Yeah, a more flavorful effect for him would be Through the Breach any number of spirits on attack (put them in tapped and attacking, sac EoT), grab spirits from your graveyard to your hand on damage. That way there would be an endless onslaught of Kami enacted. Or something like that.

But the card as we have it... Ludevic proves it could have been a LOT worse. They played it ultrasafe with a being that, as a worldsoul, should be on the same level as Progenitus, or all the Gods of Amonkhet or Theros glued together. So in that way it's a blunder, but at least he still has some O-Kagachi-ness to him. If you squint, you can recognize his ability as something that does represent at least an aspect of his character. Someone asked "Well what is he best known for?" and answered "Taking revenge" and ran with it. Poorly, but what is Ludevic known for? "Making Monsters"? "Sowing terror"? none of that was represented AT ALL.

We could have gotten a really awesome, worthy, O-Kagachi in this day and age when wizards prints Gods and Planeswalkers. Something that, like Feldon, captured perfectly a snapshot of the character as presented. Instead we got a fairly tepid, uninspired version, but that's still a lot better than a lot of other big-name legends over the years like Ludevic, Gerrard (The alleged hero of the story and his card sucks), Urza (Blind Seer), and Radha (Who got "Angry llanowar elf" rather than "Badass half-elf Keldon Warlord") have fared.

>>53445292
Yeah, I'm irritated about how underwhelming O-Kagachi is, I consider myself a Vorthos and his card is a poor reflection of his character. Then when some goon who's apparently illiterate comes in and says some totally wrong shit, yeah, I'm even more irritated. Imagine if some know-nothing started lecturing you on how to be retarded on the internet.

>>53445318
That part was just bait.

>>53445346
I feel like that's a wholly different thing, though. I'm fine with her only needing one dead guy per counter, what's really busted is that you drop a T3 Awakening Zone, T4 Meren, and by turn 5's end step, with NO other cards, she's already on 2 counters.

>>53445292
Not them but it's kind of a big piece of low that you forgot there. It's not even about memorizing, it's about simply knowing the outcome of the war. You could forget nearly anything else and still know the outcome. I have to say that if you don't even know the outcome then you shouldn't try to discuss the flavor.

Reckon a Kydele / Silas Renn deck with lots of Clue stuff could be decent? Every time I see Clues I think of Kydele.

>>53445365
I didn't realize that "offering a dissenting viewpoint" was "lecturing you on how to be retarded". If you get this fucking angry at people not agreeing with you, maybe you need to find a community a little more hugboxy than 4chan.

>>53445346
How about just a simple "at the beginning of your end step, if a nontoken creature you control died this turn you get an experience counter and choose a creature card from your graveyard, if it's cmc is equal or lower than the number of experience counters pu it on the battlefield"

>>53443620
Its great against Bogles

>>53445381
>not them
Yeah, I'm sure there's 3 different autists wetting their fucking pants about O-Kagachi.

>>53445388
I feel like that's TOO slow.

>>53445334
>implying there's a limit
>implying we'll ever be satisfied

It's never enough for us, Sliverfags.

>>53445391
Which hasn't been a deck for like two years.

>>53445274
She nets you a 1-mana effect (Raise Dead) every turn without counters. It's nice, but not particularly amazing, and her stats aren't really a thing outside her ability. Contrast with Kalenme (Who might as well not have the experience counter mechanic because her stats are so strong). When she's at the counter threshold for what you want, you're getting a 4-mana effect (Zombify) I guess but that's not really fair as the 4-mana effect can go right for the million mana praetor you 'yarded earlier while Meren has to build up dutifully giving you Raise Dead until you hit your threshold. Contrast this to Mizzix, who gives you value on every spell for even one counter, no need to hit a threshold required. Ezuri is pretty similar in that regard: every counter is valuable, where as with Meren they're fairly empty until you hit a critical break point.

>>53445409
As long as there keep their original design.

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How many decks are you buying?

I'm thinking of buying one of each

>>53445450
Dude, we still don't know the others. Is WotC paying you to hype this crap?

>>53445346
hmm, sorry meant "At the beginning of EACH end step"

>>53445104
What's non-canonical about Sliver legion?
It's literally: "there are a lot of these creatures" the card
That's the whole Sliver thing isn't it? They get stronger when there are more of them?

>>53445399
I'm not setting my pants", I'm putting our that you were very wrong about something that was kind of a big part of Kamigawa lore. It was the culmination of the war and the final outcome. Never underestimate how many people will disagree with you if fuck up something like that. I never even said anything about whether or not I like how O-Kagachi was represented (I don't like it, naturally), so don't get your panties in a twist when a few people call you out on trying to undersell how big of a thing you "forgot".

>>53445351
>Radha (Who got "Angry llanowar elf" rather than "Badass half-elf Keldon Warlord"
I've gotta disagree with you there. Radha loses, like, a lot. She gets the shit kicked out of her by Jeska. What's she good at? Channeling mana, both the nature magic of Skyshroud and the fires of Keld.
>>53445386
This isn't a disagreement anon. You weren't getting tripped up on some point of minutiae or minor detail, something that can be talked back and forth. You missed the death of one of two primary antagonists, then pretended that you were just as right.

>>53445306

They're gonna be 2-3-4-5 color.

>>53445450
Are you retarded?

>>53445440
>build up dutifully
Do you really think Meren is only going to be getting one counter per turn? Usually she gets 1 or 2 the turn she comes down, and I've seen her go up to 5 or 6 counters by the time she triggers a second time.

Even if 'all' she did was give you a Raise Dead every turn for free, that's pretty strong.

>>53445450

I hope they print more than C16.

C13 and C15 are still around MSRP. Like that much printed

>>53445475
I'm hoping for 1, 2, 3, 5 personally. Elves, Angels, Slivers.

>>53445469
I never pretended I was "just as right". I forgot the ending to a mediocre storyline from 13 years ago- I will fully admit that I spaced out and forgot O-Kagachi did not live through the war. My bad. I was just offering what I thought to be a POSSIBLE reasoning for him being 'calmer'.

Why are you so fucking angry about this, man?

>>53445399
For a decent amount of people, Kamigawa was one of their favorite planes in terms of flavor because of how well researched and deep it was compared to what we get now. It was a whole world with an interesting concept. Fucking up the power and flavor of the head honcho, who is known for being buttfuck powerful and immensely spiteful, of said plane will get a few people rustled.

>>53445490
>C13 still around
Where do you live so I can make a quick grand?

>>53445430
I see people playing it all the time. Like Soul Sisters and Stompy, its a deck that doesn't do very well in big tournaments but retards and newbies play it anyways.

>>53445512

South America

There's Oloro, Prossh and Marath available at my LGSes

>>53445306
>>53445493
What's with the angel shills? I didn't know this many women played this game.

>>53445501
If anything, isn't it fitting that the head fucker of Kamigawa is super underpowered?

>talk about lore and get a big detail wrong
>get called out on it
>no, you're just spergs for memorizing every bit of lore
>get called out on being an idiot that can't be fucked to research
>wow you're just pissing yourselves
This is bottom of the barrel shitposting at this point. It's not even forgetting O-kagachi's ending. It's you fucking up and not fact checking yourself, and continuing to dig yourself deeper. You realize that this is anonymous communication, right? No need to save face, hold that L and move on.

>>53445440
Golgari have plenty of ways to abuse her ability and generate immense value off of it. She's in the perfect colors for what she does. Kalemne's stats don't mean much and Ezuri's effect isn't really powerful even if he can build counters quickly. Mizzix is at the perfect level for what she does.

>>53445536
It's probably the second most popular tribe behind Dragons, to be honest.

>>53445534
Those are C14 you moron
C13 was enemy coloured wedges

>>53445496
That's just it. No one is angry. He has a point when he says you need to know something like that if you want to discuss lore reasons for a card's effects.

>>53445556
Literally every single girl I've known who plays this game either plays/has played GW or angel tribal. It's such a weirdly specific pattern. I guess girls just can't stand fantasy land without pretty things.

>>53445581
And I admitted that I fucked that up, yet you're still pretending to be three different people who are all equally angry at me for something so insignificant.

>>53445544
The lore of a plane and the strength of its cards are two separate things. And Kamigawa had a few really good cards like Top anyway.

>>53445320
These people can't touch me
>>53445330
Yeah that's what I meant, it would have to be a really interesting Eminence effect to tempt me into it.
>>53445334
I'm totally fine with what I've got, but being a fan of the tribe I can't help secretly wanting more even if I know I'll be disappointed by the end result.

>>53445595
It was this cool new thing called "a joke".

>>53445592
>>>/reddit/

>>53445606
So, to recap, I made a mistake, admitted I made a mistake, and you're continuing to shit your pants in autistic rage despite the 'argument' being long settled. I'm kinda tempted to see how many more times I can get you to post "reddit", thinking that's either an insult, or an argument.

>>53445592
You are incredibly defensive if you think that anon is being 3 different people, you fucked up, stop trying to defend yourself. Just shut up and stop posting about this reply chain.

Best ways to infinite mana with Kydele?

>>53445562

C11 was wedges
C13 was alara shards
C14 was mono-color planeswalkers
C15 was enemy guilds

>>53445592
I'm not pretending anything. Is it hard to except that there is more than one person in this thread who thinks you're wrong?

>>53445625
Dude, why are you so fucking mad?

>>53445604
No one laughed because it's been said several times before.

Oh my fucking god would you autistic fucks shut up about Kamigawa

>>53445493

>Another mono-green elves deck

Make it mono-blue merfolk at least

>>53445592
>pretending
You've been talking to at least 3 different people. Anon, we're not talking about the lore, we're talking about how you keep digging the hole deeper. Shut up, hold the L and move along.

>>53445626
Umbral Mantle comes to mind immediately.

>>53445621
The only one shitting themselves is you. No one is angry or even acting like it. You're just being defensive. No one even cares that you messed up anymore, it's only because you're getting defensive and saying people are mad.

>>53445626
Umbral Mantle
>>53445653
No.
>>53445621
I've got a long train ride, unlimited data, and you getting more pissed that you got called out on being blatantly wrong is hilarious.

>>53445659
What "hole" am I digging deeper?

I offered my suggestion for why it might be flavorfully okay for O-Kagachi to be 'weaker', not realizing he'd canonically died after the lore, which shot my theory to shit.

You (since you keep insisting you're, specifically, "three different people") got hilariously mad that I made a mistake about the lore, and then continued to throw a fit insisting I was the stupidest person alive for forgetting the ending to a storyline from a decade ago.

Only one person here is 'digging a hole deeper', and it's you.

>>53445563
Wait, you've been Brazilian this whole time? Explains a lot.

>>53445642
Nothing about that was mad. If anything you're mad for trying to claim anyone who disagrees must just be one person.

>>53445653
No, it was a fun plane and it sucks that it gets screwed like my mom at a Christmas party.

>>53445588
Why the fuck would I have a fantasy that didn't involve cool wizards, dragons and sexy angels?

>>53445534
Just so you know in civilised countries C13 is gone dude.

>>53445675
I'm not remotely angry. I fucked up. If I was angry about "getting called out and being blatantly wrong" I'd be defending THAT point, or saying you're wrong about the lore, or whatever. I admitted that I was wrong about the lore, so feel nice about "calling me out" or whatever.

I'm not upset. I'm not defensive. I'm just absolutely baffled at how -you- can be so upset about something so trivial that you keep fucking responding to everything I say.

>>53445684
Again, we're not just one person. A few of those replies you got were less than a minute apart.

>>53445704
Except none of us are upset. You're the only one claiming that.

>>53445684
Your "theory" is the best part of it. You came into a discussion with literally no knowledge. It's like if you suggested that Karn was Urborg the whole time and got mad when people told you how wrong that was. And then insulted the whole idea of lore.

>>53445684
Just want to add to the other anons and say you're a cunt.

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>>53445708
It's pretty funny seeing him meltdown like this, but I'd rather not let it be the reason this thread gets to the bump limit.

So which character/place from any lore would you guys NOT want to see made in a commander set? I wouldn't want to see Yawgmoth have a card of his, same with Urza, based on the rate of WotC's fuckups.

>>53445746
Absolutely. Yawgmoth is such a huge and influential character, and so obscenely powerful, old, knowledgeable and dangerous, that to make any card of him would be selling him short.

>>53445746
I agree that Yawgmoth and Urza should never show up. I also don't want to see the other Titan old 'walkers or Serra appear because modern PW cards wouldn't do them justice. I'm also afraid of what they'd do with Gix.

>>53445695

Is C13 that much value? If i look up the price lists they average like 60$~ in cards which is the same as C15, and most of it is jank. C16 are nearing 100$

>>53445721
Cool, then nobody's upset. Let's all drop it and move on.

>>53445746
As I said >>53442369 I really want them to never violate Serra.
She was the absolute strongest user of White mana in the multiverse, essentially the White Yawgmoth, and anything they ever do wouldn't meet expectations.

>>53445746
Pretty much anyone at this point.

Someone post the Wizards fucking up every time image, I don't have it saved.

>>53445782
They're pretty hard to come by.

>>53445729
>literally no knowledge
I made -one fucking mistake-. One. Yeah, it was a big one, but that's a far cry from "literally no knowledge". And please, tell me where I 'insulted the idea of lore' because I made one mistake.

>>53445746
I don't want to see any more of the Nine Titans. Freyalise at least wasn't god awful, but I can't imagine them being able to make Taysir well.

SHUT

THE

FUCK

UP

ABOUT

KAMIGAWA

AND

DISCUSS

EDH

>>53445792
Already did, I'm >>53445780

>>53445814
Lurk more before posting.

>>53445805
>>53445116
>>53445496

>>53445833
I've been lurking this whole time, I just wish you fuckheads would stop sperging at each other.

Jesus, it's the Bryanposting mono-red bullshit all over again.

>>53445845
>Disliking one specific setting/story means I hate the entire concept of 'lore'

>>53445807
I'd be interested in what they do with Lord Windgrace, but I'm sure I'd be disappointed.

>>53445814
Be the change you want to see in the thread or neck yourself.

>>53445846
I'm none of the people in that discussion, but you can go ahead and learn how to properly post on 4chan and then come back.

>>53445814
We already did. Pay attention.

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>>53445807
>>53445853
I feel kinda the same way.
Freyalise was weaker than I'd like for one of the Nine Titans (and my fav of the lot at that), but I'm also kinda curious what they'd do for RWU Commodore Guff

>>53445880
Basically, I'm feeling like that Johnny Bravo "sickened but curious" image about Wizards touching anyone else from the lore.
Given O-Kagachi and Ludevic, they'll invariably fuck it up.

>>53445708
>Faggot paid money for a 4chan pass just to pretend he's in the majority

See, this is why reddit is monumentally better, the upvote system gives you a clear view of what the actual majority thinks.

If someone wants to pretend to be multiple people, they have to go through the effort of creating all those accounts.

I honestly don't even know why I came here in the first place.

>>53445501
>compared to what we get now

Plenty of egyptologists have talked about how well researched Amonkhet is, to give but one example. Quit falling for the "theme park version" meme.

>>53445916
Holy shit you're delusional.

Fuck off back to plebbit retard.

>>53445916
>openly admits to being from leddit
look at him, look at him and laugh

>>53445916
This is actual paranoia, anon. And everyone has already moved on. You can Jay go back if you don't like it here. No one will miss you because everyone is anon.

>>53445880
What I really want to see is Leshrac, and I can actually have high hopes for it, because as powerful as Leshrac is, he *thinks* he's a lot stronger.

>>53445929
My beef with Amonkhet is that it's just one city rather than a world like Lorwyn, Dominaria, Mirrodin, or Kamigawa were. The plane will hardly get explored at all.

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>>53445833

>>53445746
>which character/place from any lore would you guys NOT want to see made in a commander set?
Yawgmoth in God-Mode. Thran Yawgmoth would be fine.

Xantcha. Part of me really wants her to be acknowledged but they already fucked her shit up with the Karn's Heart retcon so I can't help but feel that a card would really make a mess of her character.

I am on the fence about Gix but my desire for an old Phyrexian commander better than Tsabo Tavoc runs deep. Maybe they could print Kerrick or Croag? I wouldn't be nearly as pissed at one of those two being fucked up. Also on the fence about Urza Planeswalker.

I'm fine with most of the others being attempted, even if it falls out poorly, either because I don't give enough shits (See: Kristiana of the Woods or Marsil) or because I think even modern WotC would 'Get' the character well enough to do a decent job like they did with Ramos, Feldon, or Sidar Kondo. (See: Brothers' War Urza, Tevesh Szat, or Takara)

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>>53445695
>tfw got my Prossh precon for 10€

>>53445964

>My beef with Amonkhet is that it's just one city rather than a world like Lorwyn, Dominaria, Mirrodin, or Kamigawa were. The plane will hardly get explored at all.

That's actually an in-setting thing. Amonkhet is the last city remaining, under the protection of the God-Pharaoh. Everything else has become desert.

Guys
What if we got Belbe for Golgari elf tribal.

>>53445984
Speaking of Thran Yawg, young artificer Urza could probably be version of him to put on a card.

Also not really creating a card but more acknowledging some critters should be legendary like Tamanoa or Chromanticore. Or Delver, he has more character than some of the Gatewatch members by now.

>>53445916
Leave and never come back

>>53445386
Your viewpoint isn't worth shit if you're factually incorrect, retard-o-tron

>>53446021
But we have Nath and Rhys for those anon :^)

>>53446041
MaRo outright said Chromanticore was intended to be Legendary, but it wouldn't fit on the type line.

>>53445915
>Given O-Kagachi and Ludevic, they'll invariably fuck it up.
Their fuckup rate is under 50%. The problem is that when they fuck it up it's been really notable.

Colossal Fuckup:
Ludevic

Fuckup
O-Kagachi, Ur-Dragon (in that it exists at all)

Neutral
(Partners not mentioned elsewhere because they were largely a colorful collection of literally who)
Freyalise
Teferi
Titania
Jazal

Hit
Sidar, Wasitroa, Gisa, Geralf,

Big Hit
Feldon, Ramos

Besides extra turns what are some spells you will rebound with Taigam?

>>53446041
*be a safe version of

>>53446067
Yeah they did that sort of thing a lot of times (he also admited Nephilim should be legendary). I really wish they did something like omit Enchant on the type line and include on the textbox, idk. It would be a fun and different 5c commander.

>>53446066
Fuck Lorwyn.

>>53446016
That doesn't really excuse Kaladesh.

>>53446041
>young artificer Urza could probably be version of him to put on a card.
I'd go Old Artificer/Argoth Urza, just to have him be more distinct from his Brother's Time Spiral incarnation. (At the risk of running into Feldon and Daggson I suppose). Though I guess if you mirrored them, purring Urza, Artificer Prodigy in Esper and having an ability something like Mishra's, that would be cool too.

>>53445964
I would be upset too if they didn't reduce the set numbers to two instead of 3

>>53445964
Dunno what you're talking about. Ravnica was just one city and people love that.

Am I the only one that isn't totally thrilled with ur-dragon? For the God of all dragons he's not very all mighty. He ahould be able to punch with progenitus and emrukul. And why not God? Why avatar?

>>53446090
Feldon is honestly one of my favorite things to come out of WotC for a long time. He's perfect for what he is and his flavor is excellent. Ramos comes close, but his artwork isn't on the level of Feldon's.

>>53446172
I like reducing the cost of my Stormbreath Dragon variants but it's pretty underwhelming.

>>53446100
Fuck you, Lorwyn/Shadowmoor were great. The style was unique and Wizards hasn't done anything as good since except for OG Innistrad.

>>53446215
>the style was unique
It was literally their LotR set though.

Thanks!

>>53446148
Ravnica was a single city... that covered an entire planet.
The entire surface of that planet was city, and nothing else.

Whereas on Amonkhet and Kaladesh we're getting restricted to a single city because "gotta focus on the Gatewatch and their story"

The Gatewatch was a mistake and needs to end. And I don't trust them when they say they're scaling back Gatewatch appearances on cards in the slightest.

>>53445684
>multiple people replying to every single of your posts
>"n-no, it must be one person!"
>keeps replying to every single post that's calling you out with asinine defensive statements
>"n-no, you're the one digging the hole deeper!"
Holy fuck, this is both sad and hilarious at the same time

>>53446148
Ravnica was a fuckhuge city that sprawled on infinitely in every direction and was different where ever you went. The original Ravnica block was good. Return to Ravnica? Not so much.

>>53446142
I'm still peeved about that.

>>53446172
He is a 10/10 flyer with a commander ability (emminence)

Add in card draw for every dragon that swings+ 1 permanent on the battlefield.

That seems pretty mighy

>>53446239

>Whereas on Amonkhet and Kaladesh we're getting restricted to a single city because "gotta focus on the Gatewatch and their story"

Actually, Amonkhet is the only city in the setting. That's kinda a major plot point.

are there any legends from legends that are actually good commanders?

>>53446172
>And why not God? Why avatar?

He's not a god. He's the collective essence of dragons on Dominaria. He's the embodiment of "dragon-ness", which is what an Avatar is.

>>53446271
I don't think you know what The fucking Ur-Dragon is.

>>53446225
No, it was heavy story book fantasy with art to match. Everything looked and felt vibrant and alive. And even if it was just a "LotR set", it'd still be better than anything we've gotten in the last couple years.

>>53446172
Eeh, he kind of works as the progenitor of Dominaria's dragons and sum of the Primevals. He makes dragons happen and has the highest p/t of any Dragon ever printed. And while a godlike being and worshipped, he is legit just an avatar of dragon-ness, not a God or a Worldsoul. So yeah, he's a level below Progenitus, who IS Alara, and then there are the Eldrazi titans who eat worlds (like Alara) for breakfast...

>>53446277
Even if there's only one city, there could still be more things to see out in the desert. More locations and landmarks to visit. We'll never know though because they decided to make it such a small frame for the story.

>>53446295
>grants you an dragon based emblem
>grants you massive card draw
>grants you a free permanent
>10/10 Flyer


What more do you want to represent the ur-dragon?

>>53446293
>which is what an Avatar is.
then why is korona an avatar

>>53446284
Rubinia Soulsinger and Gwendolyn Di Corsi

>>53446359
Because Karona is the embodiment of all of Dominaria's mana and magic, not an actual deity being.

>>53446359
Isn't she the embodiment of Dominaria's magic?

>>53446359
Are you asking why Karona, False God is not a God?

>>53446340
>grants you an dragon based emblem
With the mighty ability of costing one less. How amazing.
>grants you massive card draw
For each of your 6+ CMC dudes attacking, wow 9 mana well spent.
>grants you a free permanent
I'm at 9 mana, I doubt I have problems there.
>10/10 Flyer
With no inherent protection despite being a god.

So mighty.

>>53446293
>>53446359
>what is avatar
Oh boy let's not go down that path again, it's just a very broad word.

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Was this really so hard to come up with?

>>53446295
>Mightiest of all dragons, so has a higher base p/t than any other dragon
>Source of all dragons so is all the colors and encourages dragons to come into being
>His dragon worshippers will fill your hand
>He will perform a miracle, creating a permanent ex nihilo, whenever your dragons do what dragons do best. Including if he's all that's around at the moment.

The only room to complain about Ur Dragon is that there is an Ur Dragon creature. Until now it was sketchy whether it was real or was just something the dragons believed in.

>>53444910
The best part of this post is that they think daxos' ability should add experience counters and cost less.

You don't need always active luminarch ascension as a commander, and you really don't need it to spit out x/x tokens, where x is how many times you activate daxos in your 99 land deck

>>53446408
We've been over this already.
O-Kagachi can't be indestructible because he had That Which Was Taken stolen, and it was that that was making him so.

>>53446408
>If you cast it from your hand
Nice useful commander you got there

>>53446383
>>53446395
shes the combination of two other legends thats hardly fitting of the other definition that was given

>>53446408

Make it hand or Command Zone, and there you go.

>>53446443
Please don't talk about the lore anymore.

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>>53446442
>>53446446

>>53446463
No. The lore is important and cards should follow it.

>>53446284
Rubinia Soulsinger
Gwendlyn Di Corci
Angus Mckenzie
maybe Adun Oakenshield
Xira Arien is weak but also a fairly unique color bleed. Jund control much?
Some of the others are very borderline playable. There are probably better choices than Lady Evangela for Esper Pillow Fort or Bartel Runeaxe for Jund Equipment Voltron, but at least they can claim to do something.

>>53446463
>Please don't talk about the lore anymore.
why no

>>53446420
I think the only thing it really lacks is some form of protection, a thing that big and requiring that much fixing should at least have indestructible

>>53446468
So it's mostly useless as a commander unless you have this one card and happen to draw it out of your 99?

>>53446399
>this post

I honestly don't know what else you would want without breaking the card, and/or breaking scion.

>>53446483
I meant your understanding of it is awful and that you don't deserve to talk about it.

>>53446443
It's not like Brisela or anything, there was a bit more going on than Eldrazi hot glue. Also, Karona was a concept, one that had existed before in Dominaria's past, and she wasn't created so much as recreated during the events of Onslaught.

>>53446509
I'm not the anon who posted that. I'm just saying that lore should be considered.

>>53446443
Three people, actually, but one of them never got a card.

And for reasons of Legions and Scourge being terrible she was also the living incarnation of all Dominaria's mana. Or at least that was what the book said, it's disputed enough canon (White mana teferi! Yawgmoth and Serra alive!) that I'm pretty sure Karona was just some bitch who got really fucking high and managed to convince people she was really powerful and shit honest.

>>53446497
or you can bounce it
regrow it
let it get shuffled into your library
theres other ways to make this less than plain awful

>>53446506
Scion is already plenty broken, The Ur-Dragon should at least not be underwhelming compared to Nicol Bolas.

>>53446530
Then don't reply to me.

>>53446468
Wow so i have to draw/tutor for this and then basically miss my landrop just for my commander to do the thing he's supposed to do? And then get the land back if i want to do it again? Nice design

>>53446468
>Phage players acting like this is acceptable behavior

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>>53446547

>>53446547
I thought you were telling everyone to not talk about it, which made you sound like a douche.

>>53446547
>underwhelming compared to Nicol Bolas.

>A 10/10 with all upsides, cost reduction for your dragons from turn 0 on only removable by insanity, and the ability to get value the turn you bring it out is underwhelming next to a 7/7 with an upkeep cost and an ability that only functions if it connects, essentially only useful as Sneak Attack/Shallow Grave fodder

>>53446626
Yeah, I didnt understand the comparison either.

>>53446626
One ends the game when it attacks, the other is a shittier 9-mana Dragonspeaker Shaman with a not-actually-useful-at-9-mana ability.

>>53446571
PHAGE IS BEAUTIFUL AND TALENTED PLZ LEAVE HER A LOAN

>>53446692
>dragonspeaker shaman in the commandzone for 0 mana
Ftfy