Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

First for first forgeworld rules today.

What will it be, tg?

Old shoulders and heads fit on the primaries marines. I doubt they'll make new upgrade kits for a while.

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What is going to happen with the DE Lore (and by extension Eldar as well?) after this whole Gathering Shitstorm?

Commorragh is pretty much fucked. Ulthwe and Biel-Tan are pretty much fucked. All relevant characters with Slaanesh2.0

Is there any hope for the Eldar, both DE and CE now? Or is the hope for the Eldar all with the Ynnari?

>>53402932
>>53403567
Cadia wasn't destroyed. It wasn't blown up like a cyclonic torpedo does. It was just a catacylsmic explosion and all the funky earthquakes. The White Dwarf hints that they're going to try and retake it when it's settled down.

Creed is obviously going to return from his Pokeball and take it back.

>>53403572
Vect moved all his valuable shit to another part of the webway and sealed it off. He had always planned too. Lady Mayls and shit are fighting Vect's goons, Daemons and so on. So my guess is Vect and his minions will be safe in another part of the webway.

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So I'm thinking of getting into 40k and I really like the Thousand Sons buyback do they really only have 4 units? Am I reading this right? It doesn't seem like much variety.

>>53403596
They currently have 4 units, yes. This is no abnormal for a new army. You're suppose to supplement it with other units like Cultists and Spawn and Dreadnoughts and stuff.

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>>53403542
So I'm talking with a guy about splitting the new starter box. He wants the loyalist marines, which leaves me with the Deathguard.

While I'm tempted, I don't really have much nurgle stuff, and what I do have isn't nearly that 'fleshy'. I like some of the Plague marines with their gas masks and patchwork bolters, but I'm less certain on what to do with the rest of the squad that's mostly teeth and tendrils. Not to mention the Pox zombies.

Any suggestions for some conversions with them? Or just other legions/warbands I could paint them up as and have them work?

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>>53403605
his axe is bent and its bothering me because of my failcast ptsd

Are the figs in the new starter set less intimidating than I think they are?
I mean, did they just paint them in a very busy, elaborate way, and there's a simpler way to do it? Because they look AoS-levels of unnecessarily complicated.

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Making my way, Terra
Walking fast
10k years have passed
And I'm home-bound

Staring blankly ahead
Just making my way
Making a way
Across the Imperium

And I need you
And I miss you
And now I wonder

If I could make, the traitors die
Do you think Magnus would pass me by?
'Cause you know I'd walk a trillion miles
If I could just see dad tonight

>>53403596
There's those units which are specifically theirs, but they also have access to everything else in the Chaos marine book. You can get them Rhinos, Tanks, Daemon Engines, Heldrakes, Cultists, Warp Talons, whatever

>>53403629
>they look AoS-levels of unnecessarily complicated
Welcome to the miracle* of CAD sculpting.

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WHAT THE FUCK GW. YOU MADE ALL MY CURRENT MARINES FUCKING USELESS YOU CUNTS

GOOD JOB COSTING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF MARINE PLAYERS MILLIONS OF POUNDS YOU ABSOULTE KNOW JOCKEYS

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>>53403659
Jimmy is going to be a boring little shit but Timmy is in for a wild ride down the rabbit hole of chaos.

>>53403605
Start from scratch.
Hot looking beefeaters coming out, you don't want sad old manlets messing up your look.

>>53403659
little timmy sure sounds retarded.

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>>53403639

>>53403674
>fucking useless
wot

I'm pretty happy not being stuck with downs-children assault troops.

>>53403629
Well, I would suggest painting them before assembling, but since they're snap fit that only goes so far.

There are a lot of little details, but worst case scenario you go at it with 4 different shades of green and a bottle of texture paint and who'll even be able to tell what's what.

>>53403694
>replying

>>53403691
I'm planning on getting a few as Khornates, since then it actually makes sense for them to be buffer than the rest. That's assuming they release a Numarine model aside from the basic squad that doesn't look like Ass though.

SLY MARBO MODEL FUCKING WHEN? THEY GAVE HIM RULES FOR SHADOW WAR AND CATACHAN IS BEING INVADED BY ORKS. GIVE ME FUCKING MARBO.

40k AoS'd yet? Is kill soon?

>>53403723
40k had its AoS in 1998

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>>53403401
No one gives a shit what they think except you guys, I'm talking about actual players and modelers wanting them as an option.
>>53403513
I could do whatever I want, but official recognition is always better. Besides, SoS being all female is just as retarded as Space Marines. At least SoB have that whole "no men-at-arms" fluff.
>>53403569
>Sigmarines can be women. Just no boob-plate. I've seen some pics before and requested a few.
I knew they could, I'm referring to femSigmarines being represented in the fluff even if not in models, which is something GW could do with Space Marines if they didn't want to make female SM models. Just giving people options like they should.
>>53403535
Say if I wanted to do a tacticool Raptor's style force, it would be kind of hard to do if all their abilities are literally about faith, all of their weapons are close-quarters flamers and melta, and many of their special units are literally just suicide by glorious melee combat.

>>53403736
>shitposters even being a glint in their daddy's eye in 98

Wew.

>>53403605
is that 50mm base?

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>bolters now have no ap
>takes a rubric marine to ignore a guardsmans save now, for every one of which you have about 6 guardsmen for
>no templates means no horde mulching at all
>most characters made invincible to shooting by placing them around a handful of guards
>lasguns can hurt anything
>d6 system means best save will still always be a 2+ meaning drowning in wounds is still a viable strategy, made even better by the supposed reduction in re-rollable saves
>morale works in a model by model sense so no more losing bricks to failed morale or sweeping advance

By the throne is 8th just infantry guard the edition?

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What hell spawned place have I run into this time? This damn'd being thrown into the warp shit is getting really rather tiresome.

Oh god it smells like cheetos and shame here... and sweet Emperor what is this? Heretical shitposters, wiafufags, and xeno lovers?

>>53403782
>Gullyman complaining about waifufags and xeno lovers
So, who was that nice lady who woke you up with a kiss, Daddy Smurf?

>>53403776
the battleshock is a big downgrade for guard blobs though
we'll have to wait and see what the commisar does in his bubble before we judge the effectiveness of a 50 man blob

>>53403739
>Say if I wanted to do a tacticool Raptor's style force,

Tacticool sisters? Sort of what I'm doing with mine actually. They're from a medieval forest world, and they have old legends about a saint who struck down an entire army of heretics with just one arrow blessed by the Emperor.

I've got meltagun dominions to slag hard targets in cover, basic squads with flamers for breaching and clearing and generally taking down lighter infantry, and a command team loaded up with Condemnor Boltguns in case of any pesky witches. Cloaks, feathers, green/brown/silver color scheme.

The flaw in your thinking is the idea that you need to have a special rule to give all your sisters sniper Boltguns and a cover bonus in order for them to be clever and sneaky.

>>53403776
No, Khornate Berzerkers in Rhinos will break a guard gunline easily.

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I found this in my old folder. I wonder where this anon is now?

the new death guard units look awful
guess I'll move my main army from nurgle's chaos to spess marines this edition

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>>53403830
>the new death guard units look awful

You've been baiting all thread. Have a (You).

>>53403815
Still around.
Honestly, not that huge an unprecedented outlier of a prediction, though.

>>53403854
More the fact that OP says Primarch's will return and the anon says they'll move the plot ahead. All of which happened. I know it's not that much of an outlier, but if I wasn't so lazy I'd go find that thread in archive and see if anybody laughed at the notion.

And if he is still around, he's a stronger man than me. The board is sadly just another victim of Discord Raiders. Only came back to see the views of the new edition.

>>53403782
A challenger appears.
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0OguFlzxkip

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>another fucking femarine discussion

You understand they make marines from feral adolescents that have to kill one another and brave the elements to pass the trials?

The marines recruit little Kratos, not Katniss.

>>53403572
Commorragh is still there. Kheradruakh along with his mandrake and some heamunculi fought back the demon. Commorragh is now a mandrake territory.

Vect made new Commorragh.

>>53403776
Will you stop with this meme allready ? Can you into basic maths or do I have to explain to you how much metric fuctons of lasgun shots do you need at 4+/6+ to bring down a 10W+ model ? And that's not even aknowledging it's armor save.

>>53403881
It's not even that, you dimwit, they've specifically stated that the Geneseed they use is only compatible with males, and it's been that way for a long time, no matter what Fabulous Bill has to say about it.

>>53403868
I'll admit, I'm a newfag. Just started hanging around last year, when I was vaguely curious about GW lore; now, I'm getting into the game, and I just stick around because I don't know where else to talk about 40k.
Of all the things I hear get the blame for /tg/'s fall, Discord's a new one to me.

>>53403852
They do look bad. So do the primaris marines.

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>>53403782
I offense to that you little shit, I'll have you know...

DO NOT WORRY MY LIEGE, FOR I, *CATO SICARIUS* WILL SAVE YOU FROM THE VILE SHITPOSTER

Oh now you've done it, you made this faggot start up again, thanks.

>>53403852
that was my first post here since the reveal but thanks I appreciate it
and they do look awful
the original theme for death guard was an army that uses practical armor only with little to no decoration, but once they got corrupted they started bloating up, sprouting some horns and getting generally diseased
but these new designs are just all over the place with as much shit glued to them as they could possible hold
they are more flamboyant than emperor's children now

where is the simple but diseased design gone off to?

>>53403900
I actually mentioned Fab Bil last thread, to point out the fact that female Space marines (or equivilent) should technically be possible through all sorts of heretical means.

Got no answer. They don't care about the actual reasonable ways to get what they want. It has to be the Emperor descending from on high to turn half of all the loyalist space marines in the universe into women before writing a heartfelt apology.

>>53403902
Discord chatrooms are to blame for 4chan in general turning into a shittier place.

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>>53403659
But then Timmy decides to be a smart little fucker and watches the Putrid Blightkings videos before he started, making Jimmy's thickly layered blueberries look like trash in comparison

>>53403929

Is Discord chatrooms codeword for Russians and /pol/tards now?

>>53403914
Away to make multiple thin and difficult details to thwart recasters.

>>53403925
Can you imagine if they made the only lady space marines filthy heretics? Can you feel the sjw backlash in your bones?

>>53403935
>Putrid Blightking
With how dumb these names are I'm surprised they didn't name someone Smelly Doodoohead.

What do you speculate on the new Necrons rules ?

>Quantum shielding : bonus to armor saves at high HP.
>Living metal : basically IWND
>Gauss : rending
>Cryptek back being technowizards with cool shit lile they used to be
>scarabs have rending

>>53403945
Christ, is *that* why all the new designs are so goddamn complicated? Goddamn copyright protection?
I'm just getting into this now; I came very close to going Marine because they seem to have a pretty simple design. And at first, I didn't see any problem with the NuMarines, but seeing the ones in the new boxed set, they seem way too complicated for a beginner to paint. To say nothing of the aforementioned Death Guard.

>>53403947

They're your dudes. Call him Fartmaster Fred if you like.

>>53403929
Er...what's the correlation?

>>53403947

[adjective] [noun][noun] is GW's current EPICCOOL naming scheme for AoS

>Putrid Blightking
>Eternal Stormcast

>>53403955

>And at first, I didn't see any problem with the NuMarines, but seeing the ones in the new boxed set, they seem way too complicated for a beginner to paint.

Are you being serious? The paint scheme for UltraNuMarines is the same as the scheme outlined in the WH40k starter paint set. That paint box set is literally all you need to paint up these NuMarines. I mean if you want to make it simpler:

>prime ultramarine blue with spray can or whatever
>douse in wash
>paint gold parts
>paint weapons black
>paint eyes whatever
>paint angry faces on shoulders

bam ur done your primaris models now ready for golden daemon

>>53403925
>to point out the fact that female Space marines (or equivilent) should technically be possible
There is literally no proof of that and considering that literally every marine has been male there isn't any practical reason to suspect otherwise. Beyond that unless you're growing them purely in vats killing your babymakers is generally a poor thing to do.

>>53403946
It would be delicious. Also, they don't have to 'do' anything, since it's already technically possible with a bit of extrapolation of fluff.

But hey, they're always ranting and raving about progress and change, and they clearly want these female marines to actually look like women so they can have them be perfect and sexy to satisfy their egos. Seems clear where their motivations lie.

>>53403782
>>53403908
Gulliman looks like he's steppin'.

>>53403946

What's funny is that is that is actually the most fluff acceptable answer because of Fabulous Bile

>>53403943
>>53403960
No. The problem with discords is that they ruin the natural ecosystem of 4chan generals
You see, each thread always has its group of attention whores and drama queens/kings. This is inevitable. But the "tripfags are gay" mentality keeps them under check. This is why they're forced to hide away, therefore not shitting up the thread.
But with Discord, these attention whores get a new outlet to express their inherent need to have an identity. This then creates drama in the Discord, which is then directly reflected onto the general, which usually doesn't even understand half of what's going on. On top of that, it gives a place for raiders from cripplechan and /b/ to organize their strikes, since doing that on 4chan is banned. This means more raiders and more spammers.
Discord was a mistake.

>>53403972
>killing your babymakers is generally a poor thing to do
There's like a hundred worlds to every one where being a "birther" matters.
And since it was Fabioso Pillock who mentioned female marines, you can presume the fatality rates and quality wouldn't be very good.

>>53403962
Pshh. Bloodsecrator is Noun|Verb and equally stupid.

>>53403946
>The only female space marines are at war with the galaxy-spanning empire that is a patriarchy ruled by an Emperor and his sons. He has no daughters, except the symbolic nuns that dress in fetish armor and are clearly brainwashed and oppressed

How would they not like this again? Oh right, because they don't actually care about the fluff, and just read about a fictional thing that girls can't be and got upset.

>>53403946
I still don't understand why people want superhuman nazi psycopaths to be an equal opportunity employer.

>>53403946
They would topple the Imperial Patriarchy.

>>53403962
Oh fuck Jim Theis had taken over naming shit

> inb4 Stygian Accordions

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I thought you nerds said the rulebook was gonna be cheaper

>>53403952
>Cryptek back being technowizards with cool shit lile they used to be
This so much.

>>53403955
>too complicated to paint

Jesus christ man, the only range simpler to paint that marines are Necrons.
Come the fuck on now.

>>53403758
Well I was 16 in 1998. How about you?

>>53403572
>Thinking Commoragh was anything more than a staging point for the Craftworld story
We knew what we were getting into when we chose to play Dark Eldar, don't start expecting anything from GW now. Commoragh is going to be on pause until the Ynnari need some plot advancing.

>>53404007
Rules are free.
RuleBOOK? Entirely different matter.

>>53404007

Rules are free. Rules with fluff costs extra.

>>53404007
the rulebook is fucking free online you twat.

>>53403639
Cawl needs a double bass.

>>53404007
>$20 for a dice cube
Oh man, they're tripping on some serious shit

>>53404020
>>53404022
>>53404026

Actually, the free rules don't have the "advanced rules" section, either.

>>53404007
Well the indices are cheaper than most codices were

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>>53403955
>Spoiled Faggot.

I'm sure there're a lot of "non-complicated" range out there.

Wizkid or FFG miniature seem like a suitable range for you.

>>53404020
>>53404022
Power rules are free. Points rules cost buckets.

>>53404045
Yeah. Although going by what they said on the web article I think they have minimal fluff/art/whatever else and just seem to be rules indices

>>53403972
the imperium doesn't have population issues

I would imagine that if done, a female space marine would be difficult to determine from a male space marine, aside from having different needs in terms of waste disposal in their suits and maybe requiring some different implants. The level of augmentation, implants, and hormone treatments that marines go through to make them what they are, and the fact that recruits are prepubescent, mean and secondary sex characteristics would be decidedly masculine. With enough testosterone, their voice would crack and they would grow a beard too. They would not end up feminine at all.

Female marines aren't done in lore well because they aren't. The Emperor wanted an all male force. Leave it alone at that.

>>53403972
>no proof

I can list you a half dozen ways it could happen

>Fabius Bile succeeds on his female marine bio project. They're mediocre. He sells batches of them off for use by warbands

>Slaanesh turns a chapter of his/her queer marines into women as a blessing. They retain their biology due to warp magic, but are all sexy ladies

>Tzeentch finds a copy of Tomb of Horrors, enacts it on a group of marines. First trap swaps gender and alignment, turning them all into women and driving them mad as a curse

>Someone copies Ahrimin's rubric spell to make some more Rubrics, then uses warp magic to mold their armor into looking more lady-like because he's vain like that

>A female cultist of any god gained enough favor to get significant mutations and boons to be the equal of a space marine, then killed one in ritual combat for his armor


Sure, there's no stories of this happening (aside from the last one), but there's nothing here that breaks fluff in the grand scheme of the galaxy. It's no more lorebreaking than having an army of merfolk because an Imperial Navy ship got lost in the warp and flooded with water and everyone grew gills.

So PRYMARIZ Orks and The Beast are all but confirmed for 8e, right?

>>53404043
> Implying you won't just download a scan of the book

>>53404052
I actually like the power level rules, but I know everyone will insist on playing points only

>>53404056
They'll probably just have a short fluff blurb introducing each faction. Maybe a short blurb for each unit.

>>53404057
The highest tier of physical specimens are men. If you want to make soldiers out of the best of the best you choose males. It's really not difficult to understand.

>>53404071
The majority of the people I play with would see me say 'power rules' and then think about how many points they could squeeze into their power.

>>53404071
That's because the power levels don't seem like they're intended in any way for actually balanced matches.

>>53404061
Daemon Princesses can even happen through game mechanics. It would be unreasonable to think that only men are foolish enough to join chaos cultists, and cultist champions might win that challenge and get that perfect roll, you never know.

>>53403975
>perfect and sexy
No, that's bad and wrong because making them sexy caters to men. They have to be fat and ugly. Except not in a negative way because they're also strong and beautiful in their own way.

There's quite literally no pleasing them.

>>53404105
Which is irrelevant to the conversation because daemons aren't CSM.

>>53403968
>>53404009
>>53404046
>Like any of you don't just field armies of gray blobs

>>53404105
Yep. A Cultist Champion could also theoretically get +1 S, +1 T, and +1 Initiative through various Chaos boons. Makes it easy to live long enough to train up to WS/BS 4, and then what do you know? just a 3+ save short of a space marine.

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>rubrics = MK4, inferno bolters, option to take warpflamers, and their heavy weapon is an autocannon. Squad lead gets staff
>scarab occult = Tartaros, inferno combi bolters, warpflamer or autocannon, powerswords, and missile rack. Squad lead gets staff
>plague marines = MK3, knives, grenades, and bolters, with "heavier" weapon being plasma. No alt basic weapon options that we can see so far(?) Squad lead gets powerfist
>plague terminators (I'm betting on grave wardens rather than death shroud) = cataphractii, no real ideas on weapons though I'm guessing at least one might get a powerfist judging by the plague sergeant guy, maybe heavy plasma gun as one option? What do you guys think these guys will get?
>noise marines = MK2 presumably, probably sonic blasters. Heavy weapon option likely a blastmaster, and sergeant probably gets a whip or sword.
>noise terminators (phoenix guard maybe?) = ??? pattern armor, doom sirens and master blasters to go alongside standard sound stuff?
>zerkers = Mk5, chainaxes and pistols, if given alt options then I dunno. Giant chainsaw held low at the sides or something anyone?
>zerker terminators (Red butchers) = ??? armor, a bunch of axes, lead gets chainfists alongside axes, ???

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Daily reminder that this is the average femarines fag.

>>53404097
With the level of modification that the marines go under, at at such an early age, I wonder how much it really matters.

Do you know of any very early age FTM transitioners? That might be worth having a look to see how female space marines might turn out.

>>53404133
plastic sisters confirmation?

>>53404010
Wait, you the guy shitposting or the guy saying they're the same as 2e? If the latter, then that makes sense. if the former, god damn, act your age.

>>53404133
That's shitposting. Look at the avatar.

>>53403929
>>53403989
So far the /40kg/ Discord I set up has been rather civilized. I know it's anecdotal, but everyone seems decently behaved. I did it as a minor attempt to see if we can get some decent discussion with minimal shitposting interrupting the conversation. So far so good, and we have 22 total members.

I'll take the opportunity to drop an invite here. Everyone's welcome to join.

https://discord.gg/mjZcYAN

>>53404127
Most of my blobs are silvery actually since they're metal.

>>53404097
"The highest tier"
Would be ogryn. Don't get all /pol/

>>53404057
*Shrug*
Marines from macragge are all members of the nobility, and women are too important to the family.
Marines from Fenris are from tiny unstable islands constantly in conflict where women are actually very rare.
Marines from Nocturne have to prove themselves as being more physically strong and resilient in the first place even as humans.

There's plenty of reasons beyond 'lol chromosome'.

>>53404148
>implying femarines fags aren't shitposters

>>53404134
This is a pointless argument because if the models are not recognizably female, it will not matter. Therefore, new models would have to be made to cater to the wishes of those who even want those things.

Space Marines have remained all male for 30 years, they can remain so because it actually is an important part of the setting.

>>53404069

Oh, I absolutely will download the epub, but the point stands that the official free product is not the complete rulseset. In the defense of the $60 brb, it DOES have all the expansions like Death from the Skies and Cities of Blood.

>>53404071

Idk, the more I think about it, the more I really like power levels. Like, imagine asking your friend for a quick 40pl game. All you'd have to do is grab a few units and go. No trying to fill in 20pts here or shaving down a squad here so you can squeeze in a other weapon.

>>53404133
GW never did black guys because making black guys required more work. They've done it recently though. Anyway, the point is, Space Marines ARE ALL BLACK AND ALL WHITE. IF A PLANET HAS HEAVY RADIATION OR SUN LIGHT THE MARINES WILL TURN BLACK.

>>53404155
Well done, you've done it now Arry Porter.

>>53404100
unfortunately this

>>53404103
they are intended for a quick estimate of approximate power. In the grand scope of the game, does some tiny upgrade really make all that much difference? Sometimes it does

It would work better if there were stricter rules about wargear and upgrades, such that power levels could be calculated expecting that players would take the available upgprades (as is with AoS's points system which is far less granular than 40k's).

>>53404127
Why does it seem like more people than not field largely unpainted armies? I mean just block colours or something, make a fucking effort

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>>53404155
You're a retard and I hope you die in a car crash.

>>53404061
I don't particularly care if it's possible, only that people have a good justification that isn't "because we need wimminz".

Modeling possibilities are not really a good excuse, they're your dudes, do what you want regardless.

Just realized, they're not releasing the Death Guard/Nurgling Green paints when the starter launches. You'd think GW would want to have those paints, the ones made for the new Death Guard minis, out with the starter so that people don't go out and buy a bunch of alternative paints.

>>53404169
>Idk, the more I think about it, the more I really like power levels. Like, imagine asking your friend for a quick 40pl game. All you'd have to do is grab a few units and go. No trying to fill in 20pts here or shaving down a squad here so you can squeeze in a other weapon.
You should try doing some Age of Sigmar list building for an approximation of how power levels might work out. It is so much faster and easier than 40k 7e listbuilding and honestly really nice.

>>53404199
Of course. I'm just pointing out that there are various ways that someone who did want female marines could already go about it and justify it, in fluff if nothing else.

Enough people have also spent time trying to do conversions for sisters of battle that it would be easy for someone like that to make some models for such an army if they wanted.

Which is basically my point, that these people don't actually play or care about the game or setting, because if they actually cared then they would have looked for answers instead of problems. Thus, they certainly shouldn't be catered to.

>>53404071
Power levels seem so pointless though. You can already play unbalanced or narrative matches with points, or say f it and take whatever you don't need gw to tell you that
And if points are too complicated, you can just get out and stay gone. Hell most people use list builders qnyways

>>53404232
It sounds like it'd be really nice for pickup games. Like if you have a bunch of your models with you, and there's someone with a differently sized one, then you can just ballpark a point value that they can fit, and have a list done in under a minute.

No more needing to bring multiple lists for different point values depending on what people have.

>>53404232
I have (even though no one here plays it yet), and I think that's why I like it so much. It's a much more simple process, yet still has a deceptive amount of strategy.

>>53403956
Thanks for naming my sorceror, anon.

>>53404242
Oh yeah I agree.
That's usually how this kind of stuff goes.

>>53404167
>This is a pointless argument because if the models are not recognizably female, it will not matter.
The truth is that it doesn't really matter. Astartes are barely even human.

I'd much rather have female guardsmen, especially if it means replacing the old ass 1998 catachans, 2002 cadians, and the metal models that are even older. Except with all that tacticool gear, they won't end up looking particularly feminine either, so neckbeards will get triggered.

>>53404169
Or you can just try not being autistic about list building and either fill the 20 points in with some random wargear or don't bother filling the points at all. Unless a group is absurdly WAAC that 20 points probably isn't going to make or break you.

>>53404255
I feel like it's just opening itself up way too much to people cheesing. Oh you brought a hoard list? Well this squad has all flamers. Oh the next guy has termies? Now the squad is all plasma.

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I'm going to use a hyper-Manlet chaplain on the left, as the leader of my Primaris Marines.

It'll be like a little angry drill sergeant.

Custode should give a rough idea of scale.

>>53404120
Unattractive women hate attractive women. Why do you think tumblr sjws are not composed of supermodels? They just prefer to direct that hatred at men/patriarchy etc, because they can't be seen to be attacking women.

>>53404188
>>53404188
This !

I rarely field unpainted models and if I do, they represent only like 10% of my army and are still primed.

My LGS doesn't allow unpainted models for tournaments so there is that too.

>>53404282
This amuses me to no end

>>53404249
>power levels pointless
Not really? again if they factored in upgrades already when determining point levels, then it would be proximately balanced. It isn't like points are balanced as is anyway...

>list builder
if you are really familiar with your codex list builders actually slow you down I think. It takes me half an hour to set up an 1850 point list in that picture book editor.

>>53404261
People who have never tried it will never be convinced

>>53404281
people cheese already with magnets and stuff and you can handle it the same way - by talking to them like an adult

If you are playing power levels anyway you are likely in a casual setting like a store or club, and if they make an ass out of themselves they word will get around quickly.

>>53404281
WYSIWYG still matters. You make a list with power levels by just plopping what you own onto the table and going by what it has on them, since you don't need to buy any 3 point invisible upgrades to fill out your force.

List tailoring would still happen to be sure, but that would happen with people like that even if you both spent all the extra time going for detailed points.

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>>53403627
It's on purpose.

Straight axes fuck your wrists up after a while.

>>53404282
I like your color scheme. I think I will take it !

>>53404199
I know that I feel infinitely better about someone wanting LadyMarines if I see they've actually kitbashed them together, instead of Yet Another Drawfag hastily sketching them.

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>>53403605
What's not to love about Death Guard.

they're easy to paint to tabletop standard. And easy to take further than that.

>>53403956
Just greenstuff some buttcheeks from the cloak blowing out the cloud and it's perfect.

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How is Mechdar in 7th ed?

MY LGS is running a tournament this weekend for 40k.

I haven't played since 5th ed, but I calculated my old mechdar army and its just about 1500 pts, just enough for the tourney.

I'm considering signing up to play, however, I'd like an honest opinion as to how mechdar is in 7th ed.

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>>53403782
Fear not Roboute, I'll guide you out from this place!

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>>53404349
>have a bunch of death guard minis
>I thought their trim was lewd belcher with typhus corrosion painted over it
>it's actually gold
>mfw
Do I continue doing the rusted trim or strip my models and do gold

>>53403993
Blood Reaver
Blood Warrior
Blood Crusher
Blood Stoker
Blood Thirster
Blood Letter
Blood-secrator

What is in the big rules book if the indexes will have the points?

Are the free rules going to be Powerlevel play? Or proper 40k rules

>>53404007
So is it confirmed these are all the new 40k models at release?
Does the other new shit come a month+ later?

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>>53404378
>lewd belcher

>>53404349
I'm just not a big fan of Nurgle in general. The only thing I have is a Termie lord that I gave orange armor because I thought it'd be fun to have him as a walking Biohazard warning.

Outside of that though, I'm generally not a fan of more fleshy models as a whole, and the nurgle ones with boils and guts just don't really do much for me. I like Nurgle's aesthetics more in terms of rust or corrosion than disease. That's why I was hoping to try something else with some of them.

>>53404378
>lewd belcher

>>53404378
I'm on the exact same boat as you man. I did belcher into typhus with small edges or pecks of ironbreaker. I'm half considering changing it up because initially when I started 40k I just thought it was rust brown coloration altogether for the trim. I'm still not really sure what green they use but I like straken green for the main armor color on my fellas.

>>53404308
Cheesing with magnets isn't really that big of a deal with points because they at least have to adjust their entire list, power levels just make it even easier

There seems to be plenty of stores/clubs with their own resident WAAC player(s) that stick around for a while so I'd rather not rely on peer pressure to make faggots not be faggots.

>>53404309
You don't have to take that 3 point upgrade to fill out your force though. There's literally no requirement that you have to use every single point available to you.

But maybe it's just me. I like actually building lists that are both effective and fluffy to the point that I have a list for basically every commonly played point level at my store that I almost never bother to change other than sometimes working in a different unit to test it within the constraints. The idea of just playing a game by throwing together whatever models we have on hand just doesn't appeal to me.

>>53404370
Less OP than it was in 6th, but you should be pretty good, all things considered. Biggest thing I would change at a glance would be having the Banshees on foot, since they can run really fast now, and splitting up the Fire dragons between 2 tanks so they can go after different targets, since they'll slag them easily enough.

Main things that might cause you problems are Loyalist Marines, Tau, Tzeentch Daemons, and other Eldar

>>53404384
The rules are the same for both

>>53404370
way more fun to play against than bikedar.

so you might actually lose.

maybe.

>>53404379
Blood Bleeder?

>>53404370
Mechdar is alright, pretty good even, but you don't have anything for fliers and depending on how serious the tournament is you may have a bad time (scatbike eldar will rip you apart, and you might struggle to deal with bullshit like skyhammer)

>>53404413
provided they actually provide point values then on launch match play is possible then?

>>53403674
calm your titties dude.

your current marines aren't obselete. Primaris marines are a new thing not a replacement.

>>53404415
or just Blood Consecrator

Similarly, what is up with the Slaughterpriest? Shouldn't they be "Blood Priest"?

>>53404426
Yet

>>53403952
Gah we will have to wait till the codex come out for that. The teaser will be:
>Yeah they are great and you will be able to play units you wished were better.

So no real info.

>>53404379
Blood Wrecker
Blood Sprayer
Blood Gorer(?)
Blood Rager(?)
Blood Ripper
Skull Raper

>>53404426
I mean, to be fair, there's a good chance that truescale's going to be the standard a few years down the line, but a)that's a long time away, and b)you'll still be able to use the old figs.
(And if anyone says 'they don't look right', I mean, seriously, people can still field the figs from Rogue Trader, and even if they look odd, I'd still be impressed as fuck to see them.)

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>>53404378
>lewd belcher
>>53404407
It is a rusty iron trim according to the lexicanum

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>>53404432
the list I posted were all actual AoS units

>>53404428
Slaughter priest is way more metal.

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Is it worth starting an army now before the rules come out? I want to play edgelord space elves because the models are cool.

Also is there a place to see how old a kit is? Some of the current GW stuff looks god awful.

>>53404429
The new plague marines are old-scale. Doesn't look like it's anytime soon.

>>53404440
I know. But we can go deeper, anon. We can go waaaay deeper.

>>53404410
>Cheesing with magnets isn't really that big of a deal with points because they at least have to adjust their entire list, power levels just make it even easier
combiweapons are a flat 10 points regardless

and you can always just not play against assholes? each store may have its resident WAAC player, but chances are everyone who plays there knows who they are

>>53404468
Then play them. Any other reason is secondary unless your goal is to powergame.

>>53404480
But it's an awful feeling to be completely incapable of winning. Hopefully everything's relatively balanced.

>>53404468
>Is it worth starting an army now before the rules come out? I want to play edgelord space elves because the models are cool.
it will take you time to build up and paint everything so consider that. It is also better to build your force gradually than all at once.

>>53404468
>Also is there a place to see how old a kit is?
All of the sprues have a year on them. If you google the kit name and "sprue" you can usually find it.

Some of the Metal/Finecast models might not, but most of those are VERY old

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Who else hates these Bolter shield guards?

>imagine Flying with that shit
>What the fuck would it protect

Inb4 muh realisms
inb4 highly advanced tactical wind shields

>>53404473
You're assuming those WAAC players are always the minority that you can avoid. I'm lucky in that my group is about 5 or 6 people who are mostly fluffy but the larger local group is literally 10 or 12 people constantly just trying to out cheese each other.
>new guy posts to the local 40k FB group "I don't understand why people have a problem with Tau" accompanied by a picture of his three riptides and stormsurge

>>53404489
in a casual setting no faction was incapable of winning games, even orks and tyranids

some factions had to try a little harder or were less forgiving of mistakes, but it isn't until you started powergaming that the differences in power really came into picture.

Space Marines were one of the best armies in 7th, but it was entirely possible to field a very mediocre Space Marine list by just putting random stuff on the table.

>>53404509
Wouldn't it be some sort of recoil dampener so you don't fly backwards? Who knows. And yes, they're retarded. All the Primaris Marines are retarded fat fucks.

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>>53404370

Same Poster here.

Pic related is my current army.

Yeah its got a useless seer council in there eating tons of points. But I wanted it because it was fluffy.

Anyway r8, h8, tipspls.

>>53404491
hmm that doesn't seem to work for me but maybe I'm retarded

>>53404437
Alrght phew I'll keep on keepin on that front then thanks man.

>>53404526
shit. It cut.

I have one more fireprism in there.

>>53404512
for what it is worth, the summoning rules in Age of Sigmar (which the 40k 8th reserve rules look to be copying) allowed you to list tailor by not needing to specify which models or units were in reserve, just however many points you had set aside.

In practice though most people just summon basic troops. Bigger stuff was unpredictable to summon, and having too few models on the table in the early game was a real liability.

Other little details, like Marks of Chaos, are intentionally chosen during deployment in Age of Sigmar, and not during list building, so they can also be used to tailor. In practice yet again, it is usually a non-issue since you would have to build your list very carefully to take full advantage of that ability.

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>>53404524
it is known.
Atleast we have professor Gash and the STD gimps to look forward too

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>>53404528
maybe you just aren't sure what to look for

if you look close at the left edge of this sprue you will see a "(c) Games Workshop 2007"

>>53404509
It's obviously there to make sure you can't see what you're aiming at.

PRIMARIS BRAND SPACE MARINES need to have some sort of handicap, or else they're unstoppable!

>>53404565
Is that guy in the top right one of the cultists from the DV sprue, but mutated?
Huh.

>>53404565
The Death Guard are fantastic. The Primaris Marines are shit. It's the sunken heads, make them look shit and stupid. Like they have no necks. Fucking GW.

They manage to do great models since WHFB End Times, but they then fuck up in the most important part of their career with fucking Fat Marines. My only hope is Blood Angel, Dark Angels and Space Wolves are uniquely designed kits that actually look good.

>>53404509
here is what I think about them:

>The hood over the helmet needed to seal up, like a NASA space suit helmet
>they need to have more jets on them
>No gun shields they always look stupid
>Asymmetry in the model.

If they did this, it would make it look like rather than a normal jump pack assault marine it would be a suit for flying around in space or something

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>>53404565
How does he keep that lab coat so white?

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>>53404598
There feels something off with them, admittedly.

>>53404617
WITH NEW AQUILA CLEANER, YOU TOO CAN HAVE EMPEROR QUALITY WHITES!

>>53404619
They're the main problem. The rest aren't great. But they're better than Interceptor Squad.

>>53404605
Yeah, when I first saw them, I was disappointed because, well, when I hear assault marine, I expect jump packs and sword-and-pistol. If they're meant to be breach-and-clear space combat guys instead, I don't instantly hate that idea. But they'd still need a couple alterations to actually look good.

>>53404580
holy SHIT this sprue gives me so much nostalgia for building a bunch of boyz over 10 years ago.

>>53404580
That actually helps a lot. Thanks anon

>>53404565
getting these just to bring some mutie underhive gang flavour to SWA

Why are the tau in halo wars

>>53404658
they had me at lab coat

Damn son those plague marine guns are some scary shit. Assault 2, 24", S6, AP-2, D3 damage.

Those plague marines are going to be expensive as shit I bet though.

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Mfw people talking shit about DG

>>53404699
Death Guard are awesome
The starter set models are not

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>>53404707
>he's keeping up with this bait

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>>53404509
Better?

>>53404720
Now we have a real SPACE marine

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>>53404720

>>53404720
I think so, but what if they had some different armament in their left hand, like a powerfist of something?

>>53404720
Actually pretty cool
Maybe I'll make some CCCP Cosmo-rines...

>>53404714
They're okay, the ICs are pretty okay except the Sorcerer's face (seriously what the fuck is that) but the DG themselves are too busy and full of needless detail and the plague zombies are just pants-on-head retarded.

>>53404740
...Joazzz?

>>53404720
Kinda makes you want to break into song

>>53404759
Sorry, I appreciate the old school asthetic of the Plague Zombies. I also like the detail in the Death Guard. The heroes are meh bar the Lord of Contagion. I understand why some don't like it, but I think they're great. They're not bad.

>>53404761
Nope but I am on FP

>>53404720
Remove windshields on guns and sleighs on feet and we are talking

>>53404769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01QR6C5-Lv0

>>53404769
I understood that reference.webm

>>53404720
Here I hope we can get rid of that Bolter shield, I can live with the gun guard but not that shit.

>>53404776
This so much. Those fucking boots look absolutely terrible. Who thought that was a good idea?

>>53404772
I didn't say they were bad. I really love the old-school plasma gun on the Death Guard squad, and the stick bomb guy, but overall I'd rather keep the primaris marines and trade out the DG while waiting for the proper kits to release.

>be BAfag
>Assault Marines are now fat Centurions

FUCKING GW. FUCK SAKE, WHAT IS THIS FUCKING SHIT?

>>53404793
i think the issue is people are thinking of them as assault marines. they're orbital drop troubleshooters. probably better to think of them as imperial jet pack infantry. so my guess is similar role as tau crisis suits decked out with burst cannons.

>>53404793
They aren't assault marines. They don't even have melee weapons.

Stick with the marines you own.

>>53404743
Definitely Blood Angel colors, maybe TS sickles and mini-thunderhammers?

>>53404720
>no baloon and fedora hat
>Better?

>>53404643
The rest is just bland

>>53404509
Gunshelds are the thing I hate the least, Personally I'd've slanted them and skipped the outside sight gap, make them interlock at the middle.

>>53404805
this

these new jet pack marines zipping around in space plugging baddies with their bolters would be rad af

>>53404148
I'm >>53403723
But seriously though I am more of a 30k fellow, but only one in my meta so I just have to use my iron warriors as their 40k counterparts and see how this new edition goes and will they be differentiating 40k and 30k...

>>53404805
>>53404806
Yeah but my assumption is... If those are 'new armour' models, that means new Assault Marines will be the same mould with melee weapons I bet. If they're essentially flying Centurions, I can live with it.

If they're a form of Primaris Space Pirate Boarder things, then great! But to me, it looks like they're just a range flyer. I mean Death Company can have jetpacks + Boltguns.

>GW keeps pushing New 40k as HAPPENINGS EVERYWHERE
>NEW MARINES
>NEW CIVIL WAR
>NEW EYE OF TERROR
>CHANGE EVERYWHERE

but they still haven't solved the one meme that could truly make shit Kick Off™: cypher makes it to terra

they even gave him a new dataslate in 7th so he's not forgotten. there are plenty of loose ends already in the lore that they could use to orchestrate change, why just pull shit out of your ass when you have hot & ready fluff to get the change going

>>53404790
The chapter chiropractor

>>53404790
Maybe they were designed for Ice deathworld? Quickly, we need more shops of these stupid suits, somebody give them skiing sticks!

>>53404821
Fuck knows lad. When they announce Female Space Marines, then it's AoS'd.

>>53404827
The leak is that Abaddon makes it to Terra and Cypher proves his loyalty by killing Abaddon with his bolt pistol. At this point Abaddon gets dumped into the Warp and mutated/turned into a DP cause he's angry enough to let it happen and thus gets a new model.

>>53404740
>And all this science I don't understand
>It's just my job five days a week

>>53404509
i think they are supposed to indicate that they are mini-Heavy Bolters. They do look bad though.

>>53404805
>>53404818
Yeah, they don't seem like they're designed to be constantly leaping up, landing, and doing the assault marine things. They feel like the idea is that they're literally just tiny planes, complete with huge engines and landing gear, to strafe around and blast targets with bolters.

It doesn't stop them from looking stupid, but it's clearly a very specific role that allows all the garbage they have on to actually fill a purpose.

>>53404699
Apart from the poxwalkers and the sorceror, I think the rest of the DG models are fucking baller, and the plague marines really get that nostalgiaboner up

>>53404759
The sorcerer has that old "the Northern Winds" look you see on an old map. He is conjuring some shot in his hand and then blowing it at his enemies.

>>53404827
Cypher made it to Terra, with help from Rowboat no less, but Bobby G altered the deal when the Corpse-Emperor told him something or whatever. Cypher, of course, escaped.

>>53404843
Then sorcerer is awesome once you realize he's. Knowing because HE'S USING BREATH OF CORRUPTION

>>53404827
>Cypher shows up to Terra... again
>With Lion El'Jonson
>and they ask to be married with the emperor as witness to their love

Oi gitz, how do ya use dis zoggin interwarp?

>>53404843
Pox Walkers are great fun. People screech that GW doesn't do 'fun' any more, so they make ONE fun model in their Pox Walker set and people say it's shit.

REEEEEE.

>>53404827
Cypher got locked up and then escaped within an hour because some God is buffing him it's implied. Read this though >>53404835 there was rumours going round that Cypher kills Abaddon.

>>53404835
it would actually be a good idea to just kill off abaddon in one way or another

>>53404853
Jonson is the traitor Primarch. The one that turns loyal is either Curze or Omegeon.

>>53404838
The 40k Facebook page has confirmed them to be mini heavy bolters.

>>53404870
But Curze is dead, and ynnari are probably much less inclined to bring him back than any of his other brothers.

>>53404861
>>53404850
I'm not hating on either of those, the sorceror has a great concept but I personally believe his staff isn't imposing enough and it would look better if he's directly blowing that plague cloud from his mouth and not puffing on a glob of warp cancer on his hand

Poxwalkers are fun indeed and I like a couple of the models, but the whole squad isn't my cup of tea, but each to his own

>>53404895
Rumour is Chaos brings him back to fuck up the Imperium, but when he's back he realises that Chaos is way worse than the Imperium and sides with the Imperium for the moment. The Night Lords split.

>>53404895
So is Sanguinius and you can bet your ass he's coming back. Manus probably didn't die in the first place. Or is trapped in the sword of Fulgrim.

>>53404790
I mean, if they're fluffed as zero-g assault, I could see them as a magnetic way to cling to a hull for boarding action, but clearly that's not what they are - they're clearly portal-style shock absorbers.
Between that and the ridiculous size of their jetpacks, it's clear why the Emperor didn't bother with NuMarines before - they're too fucking fat to fly!

resurrection after a long time being dead is some naruto tier bullshit

>>53404906
>rumour
>>53404920
Plz for the love of god no. I love Sanguinius, but dont invalidate his martyrdom.

Let the dead rest anons.
>>53404934
this

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>>53404906
>night lords can play for either side

>>53404920
>manus probably didn't die in the first place
you're getting a bit ahead of yourself, anon
>>53404906
i can't honestly decide whether that's incredibly stupid or cool as hell

or if it's stupid, but also cool as hell if played right

>>53404943
You do know Sanguinius is a analogy for Jesus, right? And what did Jesus do after he died?

>>53404956
how is he an analogy

>>53404943
Bad news for you, Horus's fight is being retconned as we speak so he will likely return. That and I want to see Space Jesus himself as model.

>>53404862
I just hope Cypher has enough honor not to slay an unarmed man.

>>53404956
No, no, no, no, no and nope.
You're retarded
>>53404962
Guessing BL is the one doing the retconning ? can you point me to the book ? i'm curious.

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>>53404963

>>53404950
See, in the Horus Heresy Book 2 I think it talks about how the Iron Hands went insane cause of Manus dying. But it goes "Some think that he didn't die at all". Which lead me to believe that when Fulgrim gave into the Daemon in his sword, the Daemon released an illusion or sucked in Manus. Who is now trapped in the sword.

>>53404960
>Believed the most in the Emperors plan
>Was most like the Emperor
>Saw the future and knew his death was coming (Jesus knew Judas would betray him)
>Went to his death regardless
>Is the 2nd most worshipped guy in the Imperium, after the Emperor. Just like God is first here and Jesus is 2nd.

So on.

>>53404127
I play Necrons, my guys are copper colored via spray paint.

>>53404811
wat

>>53404854
Fuckkkk all that realistic detail that's just gonna be hidden on the back.

>>53404965
>No, no, no, no, no and nope.
>You're retarded

I'm screen capping this for the event. YOU WILL SUFFAH.

>>53404971
that's some really superficial similarities anon

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Let the Angel rest.

His sacrifice is one of the most iconic parts of the lore and defined the identity of his sons more than the vampire theme that was cranked up to 11 with Astorath and plastic fanged heads.

>>53404971
my god can you imagine
"A FOOLISH imperial warrior, wielding an imperial warrior trapped inside a magic sword, stepped forth to oppose me."

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>>53404831
>Ice deathworld?

>>53404980
It isn't better, untill you add baloon and adamantium fedora hat

>>53404854
Not I want some, to turn into Mobile Infantry.

>>53404988
How is it superficial? He also died for the Emperor.

>>53404989
Honestly this.
Reading about this made me want to play blood angels so bad.
Shame i'm just so tired of painting red after my admech and red inquisition armies + doing commisions for friends

>>53404877
>mini heavy bolters
>small large bolters
So...bolters?

>>53404995
It's a stovepipe hat, not a fedora.
And a Bowler is far superior, it was decided on day 1.

>>53405014
No, it's a really heavy bolter. Why do you think they need the new jetpacks?

>>53404906

>Siding with nightmarish Eldritch Hell dwelling Terror Gods fucked everything up

Who knew?

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>>53404989
I play BAs and I want Sanguinius because fuck it, if those Smurfs can have their Primarch back, we can too.
That and I don't give a two shit about lores at this point after that Wrath of Magnus. It's all about games and funs now.

>>53404720
Would be sweet to have a normal head with a clear plastic bubble visor, plus glow-in-the-dark green paint behind the head...

>>53404962
Man that honestly would be the final nail in the coffin for me. I can handle some fudging on the lore here and there but that would be right out. What the fuck is the point of progressing the storyline if you were just going to rewrite the setting anyway? I can't think of any legitimate blood angels fan that would be down with this either.

>>53405023
So unless the stats on HB is changes three of these guys will buzz up to something or someone and unleash 18 S5 AP-1 shots? Thats just nasty.

>>53405008
you're basically saying any follower of some charismatic guy who sacrificed himself is jesus

>>53405026
He didn't really side with them, he just wanted to fight everything and then got killed because fighting the bigger Imperium was a better test of his skills. Then he got his brain blown out. So the Gods think "oh he'll side with us again, he got killed!" then he'll realise that Chaos is awful.

>>53405039
>If they can have this retarded change, i want it too

>>53405045
Nonono. I don't mean that it's a larger, higher-caliber bolter. It's just really, REALLY fucking heavy.

>>53404877
So:
Pistol RoF HB
twl S5 AP-1 Assault 1 Pistol

>or

HB RoF Pistols?
twl 12" 4 -1 Assault 3 Pistol

With the box magazine I know which I'm hoping for.

>>53405039
I play Blood Angels as well and you sound like the spoilt brat at the store that begs their parent for a toy because you saw someone else get one.

>>53405046
Except Sanguinius has an entire fucking Imperium wide celebration called the Sanguinilla, which is Christmas in the Imperium. Where billions of people die trying to get to Terra. He is literally worshipped as something akin to the God. He's called The Holy Primarch. The Angel. Sanguinius is cared more about than anybody else.

Again, he's more like the Emperor and he's worshipped like Jesus is. Emperor is God.

>>53405039
> I want GW to shit over the flavor and fluff of my own chapter because other chapters had retarded changes too

>>53405039
But what'll Sangunius do without the Emperor to tell him what he wants, where to go and how to feel about things?

Remember Sang's flaw was that he had the all the ambition of a crusty sock.

>>53404877
So not only are these things stupid looking like Centurions, they literally are flying centurions, 2 wounds, double heavy bolters and all.

>>53404994
This looks like some kind of club penguin marine

>>53405069
>>53405055
>>53405062
What's the point of bringing Magnus and Mortarion back, with Angron and Fulgrim mentioned and potentially Omgeon as well. Then not bring the others back?

Regardless, Gathering Storm literally has a telepathic message, when no other message was receiving due to Warp, that says "Come home. The Angel needs your strength" and the sender is Unknown. The Angel has always been referred to for Sanguinius. So Sanguinius/Sanguniour basically sent a message going "lol I need your help bro".

>>53405075
He was literally Emperor for a few months. He just liked the Emperor's plan more.

>>53405063
Yeah, but the whole point of both of them is that they sacrificed themselves, and that they're with their respective fathers and not still walking around doing things.

Having Sanguinius come back now would essentially be trying to have some sort of Rapture style event happen.

>>53405039
>>53405091
The difference is that Magnus, Mortarion, Angron and Fulgrim were all never dead. Sangunius is as dead as a rock.

A smarter choice would to bring back primarchs that are actually alive. You know, Leman Russ, Dorn, Lion, Corax, Vulkan etc.

>>53405075
Baal is in dire state, he can returns for a short amount of times ( with Dante sacrifies or something ? ) to saves his sons and go back to dead after that.
I think this would be the most safe bet.

>>53405094
>Sanguinius appears, grabs all of the primarines and leaves
i guarantee it

>>53405094
Exactly. Look I'm not saying it's GOOD, I'm saying it's not utter completel bullshit. Sanguinius is literally the easiest one to bring back. Don't even need to explain where he's been for 10,000 years. Just say "He returns to save Baal" there. Done. Dusted. That's what the rumour was a few months ago.

That he returns and saves Dante and a few otthers to go to Terra.

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>>53404989
The lore's been changed in the past, many many times.
Hell, the Rainbow Warriors were once a First Founding Legion!

>>53405023
>Why do you think they need the new jetpacks?

They're too big for regular ones?

>>53405061
If they're marketing them as mini-HBs, then I'm expecting S5 AP-1 (or -2, seeing that bolt rifles are AP-1 vs. 0 of a regular bolter?) with 1 or 2 shots at pistol ranges. Seeing that they have 2, you're looking at 2-4 shots. Then again, with (possible) short range and no close combat weapons, I wouldn't put it past them to have 3 shots per to make their strikes most devastating.

>>53403946
As long As they weren't scantily clad I don't think they'd care

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>>53404720
Transparent...

>>53405132
CHAINSAWS!

>>53405113
No. Dante survives according to the Prophecy of Sanguinius (Sanguinius looks into the future when he was alive and wrote shit down). Baal and the entire North East sector is devoured by Nids. Nids then make it to Terra and fights Chao over the Emperor. Chaos wins. Lands. Then the figure in Golden Armour delays the death of the Emperor for 1 second and apparently that can mean the universe or some shit, fuck Sanguinius was high.

So, if we follow that fluff, Baal fall and 98% of the BA and successors die.

>>53405120
> I'm saying it's not utter completel bullshit.
it would be tho

>>53405140
But it isn't. Manus and Curze are difficult to bring back.

>>53405136
Oh god, it really does look like a giant Lego marine...

>>53405150
>>53404994

>>53405138
>Dante survives according to the Prophecy of Sanguinius (Sanguinius looks into the future when he was alive and wrote shit down)
That's just Dante's wishful thinking. Sanguinius never outright said who that was.

>>53405157
>>53405150
>>53404994

Danish marines?

>>53405120
But if they went with 'Sanguinor is Sanguinus', is that better or worse?

>>53405168
Plz no, as a dane, i want no association with these abortions

I hope the entire BA codex gets squatted so that no one has to deal with this Sangunius bullshit again.

>>53405172
>Sanguinor is Captain Titus

>>53404989
>>53405039
At WH live GeeDubs said that the dead primarchs aren't coming back. But everyone else is fair game

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>>53405172
> B-but muh fabulous golden hair.

>>53405091
The traitors are still alive.

Sanguinius is dead.

He had an arc. Bringing him back to Deus ex machina Baal's problems is insulting and turns the ultimate sacrifice into a 10,000 year respawn.

>>53405182
What primarchs are dead and who arent? There is at least a couple of them who may still be alive.

>>53405168
>Ice Deathworld
>Denmark

A most we see a slippery road for 3 days in January.

>>53405182
Which live ?

>>53405182
Really? That's a nice, hard-and-fast statement.
(Assuming that the guys that are presumed dead are actually dead.)

>>53405189
alpharius is dead

>>53405182
Please be true.

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>>53405200
how can you be sure?

>>53405206
scribe from terra told me

>>53405193
Russ, Corax, and Khan all disappeared on various errands. I think.
Ferrus Manus got his head cut off. There's possible justification there for an asspull, but with a statement like 'not the dead ones', plus the fact that most people don't care, it ain't happening.
Dorn's skeleton used to be a relic, then it was just two skeletal hands. So, he's less confirmed-dead then he used to be, but still seems pretty dead.
Vulkan...I know there's a prophecy, and I know that he's died, but that he's also a Perpetual. Are Perpetuals even canon anymore?
Sangy quite dead.
Gullyman back, obviously.
Lion's, er...in the closet. (Hmm...if Cypher WAS Lion, how many groans would that be worth?)

blood angels will ask orks to teleport baal to safety right next to their necron buddy dynasty

>>53405224
Only Dorn's left hand is known to be found. So he could be very much alive.

>>53405193
Ones who are confirmed dead:
Curze
Manus
Sanguinius
Alpharius
Horus

Potentially alive:
Russ
Corax
Khan
Vulkan
Dorn
Omegon

Alive:
Pert
Magnus
Mortarian
Angron
Fulgrim
Lorgar
Gorillaman

>>53405224
I love how all those primarchs have just fucked off for 10k years. Like what the fuck have they been doing while the Imperium turns to shit?

>>53405224
Vulkan just vanished after his fight with the Beast, last I checked he's not confirmed dead. Perpetuals are very much still canon.

>>53405166
It says a Golden Figure is saved from Baal. Sanguinius would have recognised himself. Pretty sure there is something about him saying it isn't the Sanguinour.

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Manlet marines BTFO by Chaos

>>53405216
aight cool

unless the scribe was alpharius
>>53405238
tts meming aside, i wouldn't put rogal dorn cutting his hand off because it seemed like a good idea past him

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>>53405230
I'd be butt mad assblasted if Necron just out of nowhere, appears to save the day.

>>53405240
where's lion u dumdum

>>53405240
Woops forgot Lion under potentially

>>53405193
ALIVE

>Lion El'Jonson
Alive, asleep within a secret chamber on the Rock.

>Roboute Guilliman
Mortally wounded by Fulgrim and held in stasis for 10,000 years. recently revived and leading the Imperium

DAEMON PRINCE

>Angron
Daemon Prince.

>Fulgrim
Daemon Prince on a hidden planet of unending pleasure

>Perturabo
Daemon Prince, ruler of Medrengard.

>Mortarion
Daemon Prince, ruler of the Plague Planet.

>Magnus the Red
Daemon Prince, ruler of the Planet of Sorcerers.

DEAD

>Horus Lupercal
Dead, slain by the Emperor.

>Rogal Dorn
Died in a Black Crusade.

>Konrad Curze
Dead, assassinated by Callidus assassin M'Shen.

>Sanguinius
Dead, slain by Horus.

>Ferrus Manus
Dead, slain by Fulgrim and his head offered to Horus.

UKNOWN

>Jaghatai Khan
Unknown, disappeared into the Webway.

>Vulkan
Unknown, disappeared in battle against The Beast during the War of the Beast

>Corvus Corax
Unknown, disappeared, last seen heading for the Eye of Terror.

>Alpharius/Omegon
Status unclear. Alpharius was apparently slain by Rogal Dorn in the Battle of Pluto during the Horus Heresy. Omegon assumed his mantle thereafter.[24] After the Heresy, Alpharius (or Omegon) was reported slain by Roboute Guilliman. (It is not known which of the twins were truly killed. The reliability of this information is disputed, therefore it is possible that both Alpharius and Omegon are still alive.)