EDH/Commander General

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>>53381443
> include any ONE banned card
Pic related. Not even ban-worthy compared to some of the degenerate shit out there.

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>Thread Question
Can I have my freaking Leovold in the 99 back? Vial Smasher + Kydele miss their Green Sun Zenith target.

Also, anyone have any experience with this bitch? She looks fun for some reason.

>>53381443
Braids. Mazirek just needs some more friends.

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>>53381443
Gifts Ungiven would be pretty neat, though I'd probably just go with Karakas and be a little shit

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>>53381443
>Thread Question
Balance because I'm a cunt

also, post your new lewt dudes

>>53381482
snek goddess best goddess.

She can be a fun political commander, also a unique g/b rock general that can be built as enchantress instead for more casual groups.

>>53381482
I like her aesthetic, but she's probably the worst god for EDH. I'm not sure why they didn't just make her always give you the snake. Then she'd be okay as graveyard hate/snek tribal.

>>53381482
She seems like a shittier Night Soil on a big indestructible sometimes-body idk

>>53381538
eidolon of blossoms makes her grind out some extra value

>>53381497
Why is this banned but buried alive fine?

>>53381549
Because Gifts can find noncreatures. Just ff the top of my head from few years ago, Unburial Rites and Elesh Norn.

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How do you build this dude? Shadowborn Apostles and a bunch of Demons seems like the most obvious route, but I'm a dirty hipster and like offbeat commanders with even more offbeat building approaches

>>53381497
More importantly how the fuck is Intuition unbanned while the weaker card Gifts is banned.

>>53381648
shadow-born apostle is plebian tier for shirei. Real men pack it with shit like abyssal gatekeeper, marsh flitter, and triskelion. Just suit him up with some greaves and your good to go.

>>53381720
>2017
>EDH community still adhering to Sheldon manchild's banlist

>>53381735
That sounds fucking tight, more so than Shadowborn. Do you have a list?

>>53381720
If you understand Sheldon's wacko logic it makes sense - it's a little bit harder to construct instant death intuition piles in a "casual :D" deck than instant death gifts piles.

>>53381777
I don't have a list unfortunately, but EDHrec s a good place to find similar cards to those. Just ignore the demons and apostles, there are plenty of prime shirei targets.

>>53381766
>he uses """house rules""""

>>53381807
>Intuition's the 3 card Bruna super suit lmao

>>53381777
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?page=0&action=advanced&text=+!%5B%7BW%7D%5D+!%5B%7BU%7D%5D+!%5B%7BR%7D%5D+!%5B%7BG%7D%5D&color=+@(%7C%5BB%5D%7C%5BC%5D)&power=+%3C=%5B1%5D

should be 6 pages total on gatherer for valid targets

>>53381933
Thanks dawg, gonna fuck around with this. What's a good ratio of creatures to outlets, along with the standard mono-B spells?

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>>53381953
if this guy dies with at least 2 -1/-1 counters, you'll get him back

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>>53381953
I would try to hit at the minimum 30 creatures, that a number I've always found good for creature-centered decks. Also, things like viscera seer and carrion feeder are auto-includes for obvious reasons.

>>53381995
erm, sorry needs 3 or more

>>53381995
It's just power, so it would need three or more.

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I want to build an edh with this as one of the main key cards. Thing is, i don't know if i should do it mono green or make it a dual color cause splashing green with another color gives me access to other stuff. And i don't know who to choose as the commander. I'm open to all suggestions that you guys throw at me.

>>53382095
This with Mazirek is basically an Overrun effect.

>>53382095
what do you mean by making it one of your key cards? it's a great mass removal, but it's not like it's a win condition.

>>53382095
Angry omnath or Gitrog is obvious and boring choices

>>53381648
I used Bottle Gnomes, Thoughtpicker Witch, Royal Assassin, Black Cat, the myr that shocks on death, Chimney Imp, mainly 1 power creatures with ETB or death triggers and some sac outlets.

>>53382134
>Gitrog
That's an awful idea.

>>53381482
I was so fucking mad when thst was apoiled

>>53382134
PSA, Gitrog will only draw you one card off of it.

>>53382415
>>53382469
Oh shit, that's true
Misread it

>>53381720
>>53381766

Gifts Ungiven is the better card in edh due to the singleton rules

Intuition says search for 3 cards, which means, as long as you have at least 3 cards in your library, you have to pick 3 cards, and since its singleton, your opponent gets to give you the card you least want in your hand. Intuition is still a good card, but it's hampered greatly.

Gifts Ungiven on the other hand, searches for 4 cards "with different names", this was intended to make it a more balanced version of intuition, because intuition was being used as a demonic tutor by searching for 3 copies of the same card, but in edh, this drawback is not a drawback at all, and the fact that it asks for different names means you can fail to find, so gifts Ungiven works as a double entomb if you need that mode, as well as being insane effective card advantage if you use the 4 card mode

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>>53382122
mazirek looks interesting and hilarious now that you mention it like that
>>53382124
Lots of people here heavily use nonbasic lands and artifacts. They're going to love this card.
>>53382134
Yeah i thought about them but they didnt really get my attention.

>>53382497
And yet a four mana double Entomb is still worse than three mana win the game.

I want to make an Erebos Mono-black deck. I have my high-powered decks, I just want this one to be fun. Suggestions on best way to build?

I don't typically play black but I'm doing the 32 deck challenge and came into an Erebos so I suppose it's time.

>>53382664
MonoB but bad isn't going to be most people's idea of fun but whatever.

I want to make a deck for multiplayer that is just fun for everyone, what are some decent commanders if I want something like that?

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>If you could include any ONE banned card in a single one of your decks, which card would it be and why?
>not wanting to time warp in the fatty of your choosing

>>53382678
>>53382664
>Guys, how do I do casual monoB?
>Any deck that isn't mine isn't anyone's idea of fun.

>>53382664
Dunno how exactly to make Erebos fun since mono-black usually wins through enough mana to draw cards and kill the table with Exsanguinate/Gray/Dark Mike/etc. Your best bet to make it 'fun' is to make it a reanimator list of some sort, or perhaps a "deal with the devil" theme with cards like Hunted Horror or something.

Idk. Erebos is cool and all, but he doesn't really scream innovation.

>>53382683
the gay greeks might be good, you've actually got a lot of freedom with them
then there are certain edh and conspiracy specific cards designed for fun multiplayer interactions to include
since the homos are all colors but black they include most of them
then you can run some cards to help keep anyone from getting too far ahead, like boardwipes and counterspells

>>53381482
A bit more on the casual end, but I generally like the idea of using 1/1 Deathtouch Snakes as bargaining chips in Multiplayer.

Especially considering how difficult Theros gods (black ones in particular) are to remove.


>>53381443
>Thread Question
Sylvan Primordial. That card is actually the most broken thing on the banlist (and it's hole has not been filled til this very day).

>>53382642

Name a single intuition pile that wins the game, brownie points of gifts Ungiven wouldn't have won the game as well

Should I play Ezuri, Claw of Progress or Kraj?

>>53381443
>playing banned cards
i can do enough damage with unbanned cards as it is but I guess it would have to be worldfire. That and vedalken orerry look like too much fun in monored.

>>53383111
Ezuri if you want to win with Sages Hours or Voltron anything not named Ezuri

Kraj if you want to combo off. Be warned though: Kraj needs some investment to be viable, but its worth it.

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>>53382502
>>53382134

>run mostly basics
>copy spell with raidmother, reverberate, etc
>basically play the spell for free while leaving everyone else high and dry

this is fantastic for my land ramp/hate deck. it sucks for valakut combo, but its worth it to choke or even dry up the players that run very few basics.

>>53381848
Considering that some rules are shit and the banlist is even worse, why wouldn't you if it's keeping you from having fun?

>>53381443
>If you could include any ONE banned card in a single one of your decks, which card would it be and why?
gift ungiven probably, obviously combo

>>53383206
Valakut combo is my main wincon in Wort. Extremely annoying to set up but fucking fantastic when it works

Fireballs are usually more consistent though

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>>53383206
These are fun.

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It's another episode of "REEE blood moon is unfun take it out!!!"

>>53383412
>muh 1000$ 5c landbase nooo

I always make sure to run at least 9 basics when shit like this happens

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>Get invited by friend to "casual" EDH at FLGS
>Cautiously bring my Gitrog combo deck in case its actually not so casual
>first round is a 4 man pod against 2 stax decks and some janky mono red deck
>stax players are apparently best friends and do nothing but support each other and lose as result but not too salty about it
>next pod get paired with friend against a firemind deck and samut
>firemind starts off with masterpiece sol ring and mana crypt into metalworker
>tutors for rings of brightheart
>draws his deck turn 3 and uses infinite mana to kill everyone with red sun zenith
>find out later there was prizes of whopping 3 booster packs of Amonkhet

What is it about prizes that brings out the worse in people?

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>>53381443
Unban Balance already so it doesn't hit artifacts, its not like white doesn't have the most fuck artifacts already

>>53383463
>Playing EDH for prizes
their mistake was here anon.

>>53383489
It eats hands. That's why they can't let it back in play.

>>53383489
>Buy ONE pack of Eternal Masters
>Get this

Why the fuck would they even put this in the set.

>>53383508
The thing is it didn't cost anything and only like 30 people. I was going to invite some people to our group but after seeing their decks I doubt our meta would want to play anymore even though those decks are all probably just for events or some shit I highly doubt it considering how full of hot air competitive players are

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>>53383320
yes they are

So how fucked is duel commander now?

>>53383243
i need to throw in some of the better versions of fireball, like lava burst and demonfire for uncounterable finishers.

>>53382770
Fun is Craw Wurm. Craw Wurm is fun.

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So I'm trying to turn my Prossh deck into something else that's not as degenerate but still powerful. Any suggestions?

>>53383096
That depends pretty heavily on the deck, but Rites makes a lot of piles.

>>53381482
Eternal scourge is an infinite source of sneks
Heavy on the mana tho

tappedout is saying my command tower and my 2015 commander is illegal, anyone else getting that?

So I'm playing duels with a friend and I want to build commander decks for both of us. He picked Omnath and I'm between Shu Yun or Alesha, which one is more fun?

>>53384571
Alesha, although depending on your tastes can get a little repetitive.

>>53384634
How does she plays? Reanimator, mostly?

>>53383713
Prossh has like 3 tiers of degeneracy:
Tier 1: Food Chain
Tier 2: Purphoros
Tier 3: Grave Pact/Dictate of Erebos

Pick what you don't want to include and go from there.

>>53384643
More like rec/sac decks or aristocrats. She can be pretty varied though. I'd recommend good self-discard like faithless looting alongside cards with abusive ETBs like angel of invention and cloudgoat ranger.
Of course, sacrifice outlets are a no-brainer, so consider things like sadistic hypnotist for the value.

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>>53383206
>Nilbog backwards
>Is GOBLIN!

>>53381443
>If you could include any ONE banned card in a single one of your decks, which card would it be and why?


Worldfire. Because mono-red chaos.

Who is the most fun commander for playing mono green and spamming huge fatties?

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>>53384767

>>53384643
There's a lot of combo you can get in.
>Alesha + Master of Cruelties
>Anafenza + Redcap
>Kiki-Jiki + Felidar Guardian
>Karmic Guide + Fiend Hunter/Reveilark + Goblin Bombardment
>Nim Deathmantle + Siege Gang Commander + Ashnod's Altar + Goblin Bombardment/Blood Artist

It ends up being a lot of combo nonsense pretty easily, because there are tons of combos that can be assembled from cards that are good individually in the deck from 2 cards to 4 or 5 cards.

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>>53384455

>>53384767
Yeva. Get a Seedborn Muse in there and you're putting out shit every damn turn.

>>53384829
Weird. Report it to a admin or mod or troubleshooting thread on the site maybe?

>>53382095
I think WBG is the way to go. You could follow this up with a Faiths Reward or Rise of the Dark Realms for instance. Also having an Avenger of Zendikar out when you cast is cool. Bitter Ordeal would be really nasty too. You could even go for an enchantment theme and use Replenish (could have a bunch enchantment creatures in there). As for generals you have cool options in those colors, a reanimation focused general could be cool, I'm also quite partial to Ghave. Also you could cast Ghostway/Eerie Interlude before vitriol

>>53384767
You got choices man. Omnath, bank all your mana to cast bigger stuff, play mana doublers? Selvala, so that your fatties make mana for your fatties? You could try something a bit unique and go for Patron of the Orochi.

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>>53384708
eeeehhhhhhhh?!

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wtf

>>53384767
Selvala, Omnath or Yisan

>>53383713
I made mine to abuse tokens. Each time one in sacrificed like 9 things go off. They can cause damage, make people sac, let you draw, make the opponent discard, and pump other creatures. It's the deck I find most fun. Powerful, but not an asshole.

>>53381443
>>MTGO Banlist Latest Update
>http://wizardsmtgo.tumblr.com/post/160343614814/update-mtgo-commander
Nobody gives a shit about this format, do they?

>>53385511
Same here, just don't run altars or Food Chain/Earthcraft and it's fine, run Cryptholith Rite instead or Xenagos walker if you really want big mana.

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What's your favorite cards that you've never seen anyone else play?

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>>53385599
This guy right here.

>>53385547
It's a lot more fun than multiplayer.

>>53385906

Ignore this poster he sucks cocks for $5 a nut.

>>53385547
While it's shit, it's still better than Sheldon's banlist.

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>>53385599
I run that in every deck.

This is a card that I love, and I don't know why.

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>>53385599
love this guy with atraxa

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>>53385599
I like it maybe more than it deserves sometimes.

Honestly Sheldons ban list is so fucking wack. Shit like Recurring Nightmare and Sway of the Stars is on there but Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, and Gaeas Cradle are allowed. Fast mana is what breaks decks. The banlist for 1V1 is very balanced.

>>53385906
Playing blue doesn't make you any smarter than wearing ugly glasses.

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>>53386880
>posts about points league fun police
>post deleted

>>53386691
Vial Smasher is fine in multiplayer though.

>>53386981
I actually play monoR, thanks.

>>53381648
Go hard Smoke Stacks with pleb tier starter cards like Nightmare and Squelching leechs.

Getting back into EDH after quitting magic for 3 years. I have no cards atm but I just got all the 2015 commander decks pretty cheap. I plan on teaching a few friends who want to learn to play with them.

The prices for edh stuff got super fucky though.

>>53381443
Biorhythm

why nobody speaks about anthology?

>>53388336
precons a shit

>>53385547
>Magic Online will not always be able to support every card that is legal in paper
Ye but y tho

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I had a player in my playgroup to say red should play ld to keep greedy green decks in check. How do I celebrate ld in edh?

>Still playing this passive aggressive combofest of a format

>>53388574
>REEEEEEEEEEE STOP HAVING FUN BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WILL PLAY LEGACY WITH MEEEE

>>53388550
Run land destruction tribal

>>53384829
Kalemne was banned because it would be an atrocity for anyone to play her

>>53388550
To keep greedy green ramp in check? Armageddon is best but Decree of Annihilation will work and I have a soft spot for Devastate nuking a land and cleaning out the x/1 mana dorks at the same time. Wildfire is even better.

/edhg/ I am having urges. Timmy/Spike urges. For timmy plays to experience something and spike plays to win, and I want the experience of a deck whose win sequence feels like dominating a fighting game: Brutal, knocking its victims down a peg and then continuing to savagely kick them while they're down. Merciless and swift, but not so swift that it's over before the domination is noticed (As just comboing off would do in most cases).

I've had this feel from magic before, running Morph Tribal Pickles combo in casual, locking my opponent with tapdown but also having at least 10 power on the board (in a 20 life, 1-opponent format), and getting there with a cruel surprise under every face-down so that it would usually look like I had all the options and answers. But directly porting that to EDH isn't going to work.

I'm betting MLD (So at least two of red, white, and black) is a must, as is winning via linear damage (Though I could go wide or tall) and have been considering whether Zurgo Wrath Tribal ft. Worldslayer might not fit the bill. Suggestions?

>>53389134
Ruric Thar, cast him to establish dominance, then cast Primal Surge, drop your whole deck on the field and proceed to beat down everyone at the same time with 50+ very fucking big dudes

>>53388336
Cause no one updates the OP unless I do it. But they aren't worth the price.

>>53389134
Go Gruul like >>53389152 said. Also consider Xenagos. Nothing better than Sneak Attacking out a Worldspine Wurm, making it a 30/30 and attacking, then saccing it to Greater Good.

>>53389134
Disregard these >>53389253 >>53389152 goons. Tana is one of the best Gruul legends.

>>53389336
>wanting to break the format with overpowered commanders like Tana
We might as well play Zur Doomsday or Tazri Foodchain while we're at it.

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How do I play Tasigur if I don't want to combo?

>>53389396
>Thinking Tazri or Zur can compete vs T0 Tana
Get outta here.

>>53389448
Just run a ton of hate and destruction, then play politics. "Hey, he's looking pretty strong. I can deal with him if you give me back my Abrupt Decay."

>>53389152
>>53389253
>>53389336

I'm hearing a lot of love for Gruul and I can't say it doesn't sound good. Though >>53389336, I love Tana and want to make her work but she seems to be a good deal more finesse and less oomph. If you feel otherwise, sell me on it.

Secret tech for any of these?

>>53389488
The Tana guy was memeing on you

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>>53389523
Expected, yet somehow still disappointing.

>>53381594
"Oh no, he cheated his seven drop in two mana early.
Play protean hulk, sac protean hulk, win."

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Building Gruul is fun!

>>53389686
>tfw Boros
>tfw you have to keep your curve as low as possible because lolnorampnodraw

>>53381477
>Not even ban-worthy
people here still complain about deadeye this card is insane and has NO window for interaction

>>53381443
>If you could include any ONE banned card in a single one of your decks, which card would it be and why?
Biorhythm

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>>53389738
>What are rocks?

>>53389448
Training Grounds, Life From the Loam and tons of fetch lands, plenty of control and recurrable sweepers like Pernicious Deed and Oblivion Stone, and Swords of X and Y to win with your 1 mana 4/5

>>53389799
2 mana that you don't have because you have no ramp.
>>53389780
Except for your turn because it's Sorcery speed.

>>53389922
If you never find a second mana, I think something is very fundamentally wrong with your deck

>>53389894
I don't pay much attention to the swords, which one would you suggest?

>>53389922
>tfw no ramp to get up to a two colorless mana rock.

Wizards needs to make mana ramp easier! one land tapping for one mana makes it hard to get my rocks!

>>53381443
Still shilling my Vamp tribal in a vain attempt to get advice/card recommendations for it.

>>53390186
Oh, right, decklist.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/20-05-17-olivia-tribal/

>>53381443
>banned card
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn so I can have a proper commander for the Eldrazi.

>>53389922
>complain you have no ramp
>plays boros
>ignores the multitude of plains fetch if an opponite controls more lands than you cards

there is even knight of white orcheds if you are doing human boros tribal, you even boros son?

>>53390034
Feast and Famine is usually the best followed closely by Fire and Ice. Also pick the protection colors that match your meta.

>>53390028
>>53390039
Pretty sure he's memeing, but ya'll are too if you seriously don't see ramp and draw as the two major offenders of the Boros Problem

>>53389488
Pair up Tana with Reyhan or Bruse Tarl

Athreos or Shirei for Shadowbutt Apostles?

>>53390283
I have a Boros deck, an immense amount of rocks helps the mana issue, but the card draw issue is real. I have howling mine, temple bell, wheels, and mind's eye to make up for lack of card draw and it still isn't enough
That deck will always be my least favorite, been debating tearing it apart for ages

>>53390329
>Waste Shirei on an Apostles decks
Or
>Use Athreos for the only thing he's good at

>>53390329
Athreos, you gain access to Edgewalker

>>53389488
Combine Tana with Tymna for repeatable draw and access to great sac effects. Cards like Hatred, Tainted Strike, and Flesh Eater Imp are great.

>>53390358
What else would you use Shirei for?

>>53390283
Are you bummed that you have less mana than your opponents? Play Static Orb.

>>53390272
I think you meant Kor Cartographer my man. I'm pretty sure it's the only unconditional ramp in White.

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>>53385599

>>53390283
>no draw in boros
bygone bishop
kor spirit dancer
mentor of the meek
puresteel paladin
sram
stone haven outfitter (+skull clamp)
temporary truce
thraben inspector
avericous dragon
combustible gearhulk
dragon mage
goblin lore
humble defector
reforge the soul
runehorn helkite
wheel of.fortune

>>53390478
He's just Solemn Simulacrum but almost worse (since he can search Mistveil Plains for your Sunforger package)

>>53390502
Don't forget memory jar, and land tax in a way

>>53390502
>outfitter + skullclamp

cacklingplaneswalkers.tiff

>>53390537
Land tax + Scroll Rack/any other type of shuffling is honestly the best and has the potential to show you more of your deck than even those blue fags dream about

>>53388361
Plenty of the precons are worth more than MSRP. Don't know about the Anthology though.

>>53390502
Draw in boros is either wheels of extremely conditional, I'm not saying it's impossible to draw in boros, it's just extremely difficult to have good card draw in colors not meant to draw.
Although, lately Red has been getting more "card draw" through exiling the top card of your library through Outpost Siege and Chandra, Torch of Defiance

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>>53385599
utter trash, but i love it.

>>53390622
Or Winds of Change type effects

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>>53381510
Got commander, my foil and my greek promo hippo for my Phelddagrif deck. Yawgmoth is for my Marrow-Gnawer.

>>53390392
>Tana
>Cast Hatred with Soul Sisters in play
Fungus!Princess Mononoke is online.

>>53390577
>>53390502
With Stone Haven you also need a sacrifice outlet

>>53390697
>Complains about lacking ramp in a color full of junky creatures
>Doesn't run Ashnod's Altar and Phyrexian Altar.

>>53390186
>>53390247
You should treat Vampires basically the same as you'd treat Dragons in a lot of ways. Vampires are much better at the top end than at the low/mid end, so a lot of the power in your deck is stuck behind some prohibitively high costs. Play a lot of artifact ramp and power out the strong ones.

The other benefit of building the deck like that is you'll have tons of mana for Olivia when you need her.

>>53390740
>play ashnod's
>sac your janky creatures that took you 4 turns to put onto board
>get two anus mana
>no cards left in hand
>no creatures in play

>>53390740
>he thinks boros can shit out creatures like Black/Green

>>53390801
>goblins and soldiers are hard to shit out

>>53390697
well shit man, i dont got a clue what flavor of boros u are playing, the draw spells i put up just hit a wide range of flavors but you wont add stonehaven outfitter to a deck that isnt a wide token based with many 1/1s to sac. And you wouldnt add equipment draw cards unless ur going for a voltron boros commander and you need to pile on all kinds of sticky goodies on your commander. I just throw out cards that I like, like goblin lore and hand dumps if you wana bigger gravyard for boros gy fetch deck

I wish that we could all agree to run less removal and more fun shit, would make games a lot more interesting. Sucks that the real way to be more competitive is to take out shit that your deck is trying to accomplish so you can stuff it full of shit to stop other people from accomplishing things.

>>53390838
What Boros deck are you playing then? Hard to make suggestions when all you described is a color identity.

>>53390838
Just saying that Stone Haven+ Skullclamp don't work automatically to ancestral recall, since Stone Haven Outfitter also buffs

>>53390847
>removal and actual interaction is less interesting than infinite combo masturbation special olympics

>>53390826
Ill give you krenko. Those dragon fodder sorceries are shit.
I truly hope you're not suggesting assemble the legion is good.

Rise of the hobgoblins does look interesting though.

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Where are you at?

>>53390880
You have tons of effects like Beetleback Chief, or Tempt for fire elementals, just look at some Wort and Zada lists and mix and match with white token generators.
Assemble the Legion can be good in the right deck, but it isn't fit for explosive token drops.

>>53390502
>Bygone Bishop
>Kor Spirit Dancer
>Mentor of the Meek
>Puresteel Paladin
>Sram
In addition to pigeon-holing your playstyle pretty hard, none of these are straight card draw. They keep you at a neutral card advantage, but won't be able to draw you out of a bad situation. They're more like regulators than actual draw power.

>stone haven outfitter (+skull clamp)
Outfitter actually screws Skull Clamp up thanks to the toughness boost, making it harder to use.

>thraben inspector
Is not draw, it's a refund.

>Thraben Inspector
>Humble Defector
Benefit your opponents much more than you.

>Combustible Gearhulk
Is a browbeat, so it can't be guaranteed.

>Goblin Lore
Is neutral card advantage.

>Dragon Mage
>Reforge the Soul
>Runehorn Hellkite
>Wheel of Fortune
This is the closest to being good, but doesn't put you ahead of your opponents, it just levels things out.

If you're trying to act like WR doesn't have a problem with card draw just because it has this weak jank, you're missing the point entirely. WR is massively weaker when it comes to draw power than other color combinations.

>>53390855
back when i played boros, my play group was full of blue, i made mine more blue hate than a functioning deck, but it was voltron based with Gisela, Blade Of Goldnight with lots of player hand dumps so they couldnt combo off

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>>53390887
>scrambleverse tier
>dualcasting eternal dominion 3-9 times.
why is this janky combo orgasmic?

>>53391026
>not going for eternal dominion hive mind

>>53391033
>not adding eye of the storm to scrambleverse

>>53391033
anon please, I can only be so erect. Confusion in the ranks to steal another player's combo/winning pieces.

>>53390847
The real way to be more competitive is to try to accomplish something better, which is Lab Man, infinite ETB triggers, or decking your opponent out with an infinite mana BSZ.

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>>53385599

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>>53385599
>they gave bees swords
>they gave bees swords
>they gave bees swords

>>53391033
>TFW building Riku with hive mind, all three relevant epics, and various copy/support

Almost as good as TFW Grip of Chaos and Confusion in the Ranks are on the table together.

>>53391256
People don't use the bikini Soul Sister? Yeah she costs WW but she's still at least got some durability on the rest of the family

>>53391457
The mana cost isn't the one that's stopping them.

>>53391457
She costs like 40 bucks

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/hapatra2-1/

Anyone have any suggestions on what to cut?

>>53391725
I just bought one for a little over 20. She's not worth it on a budget, and I think most people will want to grab an Archangel of Thune for roughly the same price first.

Who is the best ETB flicker commander

>>53391932
Roon of the Hidden Realm
Riku of Two Reflections

>>53391932
Brago, King Eternal.

>>53391932
Brago if you want to win with obnoxious stax/combo
Roon if you just want to flicker ETB/LTB stuff for value, Roon himself will rarely be used but Azorius has enough flicker support to make it work and green has wincons
Any commander in Jeskai or Esper if you want red/black ETBs as your wincons instead

>>53391932
Norin the Wary

>>53391932
What this anon said >>53392091
Brago for stax and combo or Roon for value. Brago tends to win the game when he connects because you just flicker everything.

>>53391457
I prefer Suture Priest. It's anti-combo insurance.

>>53391932
Brago for winning
Roon for Value
Norin for fun

>>53391725
Checking up, moderately played is under 20 but only just. Damn, out of the bulk rares storage she goes.

>HASCON is going to have a 600 dollar ticket that includes a My Little Pony/MTG Mashup promo

>>53391122
>>53391069
>>53391033
>>53391026
>>53390887
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/are-you-happy-now-pure-chaos/

I think I'm god.

>>53392764
>>53392764

Link?

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>>53392876
https://hascon.hasbro.com/tickets

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>>53392876
>>53392942
>light snacks, water, and more!

>>53381510
seconded
it really is too powerful and leads to a lot of unfun games, but i opened a foil balance in a draft and i really want to play it SOMEWHERE :(

>>53389621
gifts can get the reanimation target and the reanimation spell in the same go, though

it's like esper tooth and nail for less mana

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>>53392956
>Three HASCON-exclusive promotional cards featuring a mashup of Magic: the Gathering and three HASBRO brands.
It's going to be fucking ponies isn't it

>>53390887
i had a "ramp into chaos" 5 color deck way before i even knew EDH was a format. the only deck i've kept together for 8 years now is the shell of that evolved into a glorious 99 card pile on top of karona.

>>53393215
everyone who pays $600 for this shit is going to immediately list the cards on ebay for the full $600 they paid if not more.

and bronies will fucking buy that shit.

>>53393215
>giving that guy the ability to play fluttershy as his commander

>>53393215
What three brands would that be? Two of them are obviously ponies and transformers, but what the hell is the third? Monopoly? Mr. Potatohead?

because I would buy the shit out of a foil promo Monopoly Man card

>>53393350
Play-Doh

>>53393350
Nerf Gun Equipment

>>53393361
>Play-Doh Mimeoplasm promo

>>53393215
There is no way in almighty hell one of them isn't a pony, and there is no way horsefuckers won't pay 400+ dollars for the promo/

>>53393350
General guesses for the third are NERF or Dungeons and Dragons.

>>53393286
"Thankfully" the promos are silver-bordered, so they can't have Fluttershy as their Commander any more than they can put Mishra's Toy Workshop in their Ghave deck.

>>53393350
>pony goyf
>monopoly man bob
>transformer arcbound ravager
There, done

>>53393451
D&D technically is still Wizard's IP even though the whole company is puppeteered by Hasbro

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>>53393473
>monopoly man bob

>>53393579
it's always the monopoly guy

>>53390502
Everyone always forgets about Loreseeker's Stone.

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>>53385599
this guy

>>53390641
pretty good in damia

>>53393811
What's great is you can run Recycle AND the color shifted version in that deck.

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>>53385599
so very spicy, unique and powerful

however it's currently in none of my decks since it tends to end games as soon as it comes out

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>Join game on Cockatrice labeled "Casual EDH"
>Wanted to test a new land destruction (BRYYYYYYAN REEEE) deck I built, but becuase it's "casual EDH" I went with something that's... You know, CASUAL.

>By turn 3 there's a mana crypt, gaea's cradle, sylvan library, and blood moon on the board.

>"What happened to 'Casual EDH'?"
>Kicked from the game.
>Join new game, simply labeled "EDH".
>Bring my new land destruction deck.
>Gruul Omnath player has crazy hand, turn 1 sol ring, turn 2 explosive vegetation, turn 3 Omnath.
>Tell other player not to play a land
>"Why?"
>"Because I'm going to blow up some lands."
>Kicked from the game by the Omnath player.
Well alright then. I guess Cockatrice isn't the place for me.

>>53393922
>end games as soon as it comes out
How? Do people just scoop?

>>53387961
if a card is too expensive, just don't buy it. you shouldn't be aiming for a maximum power level deck anyway.

it's a special kind of fun optimizing budgety stuff. as long as your group frowns upon fast mana, anything can work

>>53393927
Never play with randos on Cockatrice. Use it to play with people you know.

>>53393927
cockatrice does that?
use xmage instead

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>>53385599

Hey guys, new player here. I really wanna build a tribal humans deck around Saskia. I know it won't be anything too great compared to some of the shenanigans available in EDH, but is there anyway to do it that it would at least have a chance against some of the more meta decks my friends have?

>>53394018
Scrap your gay tribal shit and build it around stuff that triggers on dealing damage to players and/or opponents.

>>53394040
>>53394018
Also extra combat phases and give your dudes double strike.

>>53394018
saskia is already pretty weak compared to the other 4c commanders. if you're gonna build her there's no room to play tribal, you just run out of steam too quickly. what you need to be doing is playing a lot of value creatures to get better use out of her ability.

>>53394018
if you play multiplayer games only, 3-4 players minimum, and have a lot of interaction, whatever your deck is you will have fun on the long run

wining is another question, if you only want to win, human is utter shit, even worse with Saskia

look at your friends deck, if they are really aggressive, or known to win earlier, like Zur, Titania, Derevi or Animar to name a few, forget human, but if they play casually you have no reason to fear with a human tribal deck

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fixed samut

>>53394101

Mostly they are just build around the othre 4c commanders. We all went and bought a box and then modified them to our liking. I'm trying to find a way to make humans work out even though I know it's a loosing prospect. We do tend to play 4 or more players, so even though I'm not as good as what they have I don't just get steamrolled, but by the time I start building up someone pulls a boardwipe.

>>53394065

Would there be a different commander that would be more viable for tribal humans?

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>>53394213
nu-sigarda certainly comes to mind

>>53394290

I do in fact have that card.

>>53394187
if you just got to start playing commander, and you play multiplayer, there's no reason not to play whatever you want

If board wipes stresses you, just board more protection-all, like "Heroic intervention" to name a standard legal one

search for
>"all permanent you control gains indestructible"
"Soul of New Phyrexia" is a favorite of mine, cheap, effective, colorless, really good in casual commander

>>53393074
Tooth and nail is leagues better than Gifts though, it creates immediate wins whereas the gifts will setup a win, not grant one immediately

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>>53389134
>>53389488
i think you want maelstrom wanderer. it's basically a lot like a gruul face-smashy deck, but thanks to cascade it just overwhelms your opponent with value and tempo. it's very in-your-face, relentless and brutal, like you asked.

i don't recommend building xenagos since it's a lot easier to disrupt and runs out of gas a lot faster than maelstrom wanderer. having owned both decks, i just outright prefer maelstrom wanderer in every way, and not simply because it's more powerful. it's just a lot more enjoyable to play. here's a comparison of 1v1s i did for fun with my friend

>xenagos vs UW control
>ramp up to xenagos, it gets countered
>ramp up to xenagos cast number 2, it gets countered
>cast another fatty, it stays on board for 1 turn and then eats a removal before it hits once
>lose to a shitty sphinx hitting me over 7 turns or something

1 deck reassembling later

>maelstrom vs UW control
>ramp for the first 5 turns
>he thinks about countering some of my ramp, but decides against it because it's not good
>cast maelstrom wanderer, he counters it but i still get 1 ramp spell and 1 fatty for free
>next turn, cast maelstrom wanderer again, he can't counter it now
>swing with 3 fatties, balefire dragon wipes his board, savage ventmaw gives me 6 more mana, use that to cast more ramp
>he wipes the board
>cast maelstrom wanderer again, hit another fatty and he scoops

>game no. 2
>ramp up to xenagos, cascade into jokulhaups, all permanents are destroyed and THEN maelstrom enters the battlefield and starts hitting him in the face for 7
>he scoops

maelstrom wanderer gets a lot flakier as the player count goes up, though. you might kill 1-2 players, but then the remaining guys will often take you down.

here's my deck if you want to take a look:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/smashmaster-2000/

>>53394187
heroic intervention, selfless spirit, dauntless escourt, avacyn (both of the non-shit ones if you go into red)/boros charm

>>53394140
There is no fixing that card. Not even memes can save it.

>>53394516
>>game no. 2
>>ramp up to xenagos

oops meant to write that i ramped up to maelstrom wanderer there

>>53394516
That does sound pretty fun... I might have to test out rebuilding my Xenagos deck into a Wanderer one.

>>53394624
Be aware that Wanderer will draw some hate.

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>>53394537

I dunno, she's fine as a Voltron Commander, and with the right alter...

>>53394490
yeah, but gifts is an instant and you're playing blue. you can hold counterspells and then gifts at the end of someone else's turn, then on your turn untap and flashback unburial rites on jin gitaxias or whatever

>>53394624
>>53394639
oh yeah wanderer draws hate. but so does xenagos. the thing is that both are capable of btfoing people out of nowhere, but maelstrom just tends to be better about protecting itself in the process so it's a lot better in that way. a single counterspell will often screw over a xenagos wincon completely, whereas maelstrom wanderer couldn't give less of a shit about having its shit countered or removed.

the biggest weakness maelstrom has is the fact it needs 5 turns to turn super saiyan, but that's hardly a true weakness in EDH

>>53394666
R/G is a little awkward for Voltron, though.

>>53394691
I see it, I played gifts combo in modern for a time, it's fun, but in a multiplayer format where you're just recurring one creature, it really doesn't feel that strong.
I personally feel gifts could get unbanned and nothing would change too much.
Protean Hulk unbanning caused a few players around me to build protean hulk combo, which essentially just boils down to Melira combo + every other creature in your deck

>>53394780
>Naya

>>53394666
Of course you would say that, Satan.

>>53394624
oh and by the way, if you own a xenagos deck then rebuilding it to a maelstrom deck is pretty easy and cheap. if we don't count lands, i only changed about 20 cards to turn my xenagos into maelstrom.

>>53394804
just fuck me up senpai

>>53394516
Oh that sounds like just the thing. Thanks for the tappedout link, I'll give it a look-see.

>>53394783
i think gifts was banned because it leads to a lot of "gifts at end of turn. untap. does anyone have a counterspell? no? good, i win." situations. plus it takes a while for some players to resolve it.

>>53394944
It was banned because it was basically ONLY used for "End of turn, Gifts to set up a win. Anyone have a counter? No? I win." for 4 mana. That, and nobody ever used it the 'fair' way- it was always just a Double Entomb.

>>53390887
What's up with the tiers? Been on all of them and making EDH unfun just makes my goddamn pro wannabe friends refuse playing EDH, cause "this is not a competitive format". I guess top tier of edh are degenerate plays that can win you the game before your opponents arrive at your doorstep.

>>53395013
well, i could see the 4 stack being something like buried ruin, academy ruins, mindslaver, and crucible of worlds in like a sharuum deck or somesuch.

it was banned before EDH really took off as a more competitive format, i think the strongest deck i had ever heard of back then was some stupid vorosh ramp voltron list some guy at my lgs had. i'd be totally down for gifts being legal in the format these days now that everyone's had time to ramp up deck quality and have actual answers. at least in my meta anyway.

>>53395015
There are only two real tiers:

"We're all enjoying this" or "We aren't". For some people, EDH is most fun when everyone can threaten a turn 3 win and it's about who can force theirs through. For some, it's about 3 hour games of Battlecruiser Magic with It's Always Sunny playing in the background and a slowly dwindling beer supply. For some, it's in the middle.

As long as everyone is enjoying themselves, you're EDHing right.

Opinions on storm in edh? It gives me thrills, but I can't manage stormcount into a win consistently and people just scoop, unaware of the fact that I couldn't dig for my finisher or something. It is quite good with a $5000 99vintagesingles.dec, but is considerably worse with suboptimal cards and can be hated out

>>53395438
you could also play pseudo storm, like Sram, elves, or enchantress

>>53395015
there has been a lot of confusion around the levels. you might think you're a level 4 EDH player (playing for unfun) but you're probably actually still on level 2 (playing for own fun) or 1 (playing to win).

you see, there's a difference between level 1-2 type of schadenfreudistic winconning and level 4 type of self-flagellation.

typically, a level 1-2 player from the spike-timmy clan who dwells on the misery of others will think he's on level 4 simply because he loves to make the game miserable for others. but this is not true level 4 thinking. this level 1-2 spike-timmy player will still aim to win the game like a spike, he just wants to drag it out for his opponents because he's a sadistic timmy. note that for him, the objective is of the game is to have fun and win. this is telltale level 1-2 thinking.

this is the group of people where the typical derevi and leovold shitters fall. note that these decks involve their pilots having fun while others have to suffer.

however, level 4 thinking is entirely different. level 4 players start a game of EDH with the sole purpose of showcasing how awful it can be to play EDH with them. a level 4 deck isn't fun to play and it's not fun to play against. a level 4 deck will end the game randomly in a tie, or it will create a boardstate that takes 20 minutes to resolve, or it will just cause constant anti-climaxes and failed games.

most importantly, the heart of a level 4 deck typically comes from the pain of being a level 3 player in a meta of level 1-2 players. a level 4 deck is a player's mental superiority manifest, made as a parody of a level 1-2 deck, but still retaining the selflessness of a level 3 deck by being indiscriminate by its annoyingess. for all intents and purposes, a level 4 player has already mastered edh, scrambleverse will merely be the focus point of his deck from that point onward since it exemplifies a level 4 player's values perfectly.

>>53394815
Are top deck manipulation cards worthwhile for Wanderer? I'm already running Sylvan Library in Xenagos and have a spare Top and Scroll Rack

>>53395475
Elves can explode into killing one person, but almost never survive the long game

>>53395538
then play duel commander
if you really want to win at all cost don't play storm

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These are all the decks I have.

I wanna make something new. Might cannibalize an older deck for it too. What should I make? I want something fun to pilot.

>>53395556
I thought Griselbrand is banned because he can storm. What would you suggest then? Stax? Isn't quite affordable either

Duel commander is my personal purgatory, where there isn't any room for failure, vintage crap is banned and everybody makes only the most mana-effective plays.

>>53395438
if you untap with melek in play you usually just win on the spot

it takes ten minutes and people will roll their eyes, but still

>>53395603
Karona God Tribal go

>>53389922
>you have no ramp.
>boros signet is ramp
pick one, unless you are shitting on rampant growth

>>53395603
The legends in front are options for next decks?

>>53395618
mono-b sidisi is a better storm commander than griselbanned is though. i think he's banned for the same reason yawg's bargain is

>>53395683
No, those are legends I already have decks for. Just didn't have enough room to place them all in.

>>53395618
I'm not a competitive player so ask this question to someone else, you just don't need to be a genius to know storm is clunky and risky

Griselbrand is definitely banned because 40 life is too much for a card that draws like this. You can easily draw your entire deck in a single turn.

I heard Titania destroy-land is affordable for a mono color deck, and really good.

Or better, play for fun and giggles and do sick strange looking decks

>>53395603
why dont you give silos a friend
a red friend?

>>53395499
Maybe. I prefer Brainstorm over the two you mentioned though, since it puts stuff from your hand on top of your library (like a big nasty fatty)

The thing is that there are very few "dead" cascades in a Maelstrom deck. Naked spot removal is the only thing that really hurts to cascade into. Anything else is good.

>cascade into big fatties or big spells? cool, cast them
>cascade into ramp? cool, use it to cast more fatties
>cascade into draw? cool, more fatties to cast

Maelstrom Wanderer being an RNG-fest is a bit of a blown out meme. Very rarely do I cascade in a way that actively displeases me. I'm big into that "fun" stuff so I don't even want to add a top or a library myself, I'd rather just put in more cuh-razy fatties and ramp

>>53395760
Because I wanted to make a Dimir artifact deck.

it's hilariously effective. The card I showed off behind him is usually how I win.

and I already have artificer deck that utilizes red.

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>>53385599
Less so since it was in a precon, but it's nice to have access to instant speed sac in a land slot.

>>53395603
>>53395760
>>53395799
Reporting in!
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/silas-renn-partnerless-extrodinaire/

>>53395907
ive lost to this card before
its surprising what you can do with it

>>53395708
Care to elaborate? Even in 30 hp duel meta Grizzly could hypothetically draw 28 cards immediately after hitting the board (better than Ad Nauseam, if you don't pack most cards 0-1cmc), in most cases triggering a chain of events that leads to him getting mana out of thin air, and storming out. Sidisi, on the other hand, costs 5 and puts a card in your hand (AdNau? Tendrils?) that also needs mana. I only saw her as a part of Necrotic Ooze combo, now banned in duel.

>>53395753
>play for fun and giggles and do sick strange looking decks
It's nice, but most often people don't even have a chance to see what is fun and unique about the deck if it can't support it's own weight and is easily disruptable. Resilience requires efficiency and optimal card choices.

>>53395932
How did you lost to it? Sac loop with Spine of Ish Sah?

>>53395926
>Guardian Beast
wowowowoww

>>53393944
ah, i guess i was being a bit too dramatic.

it doesn't end the game on ETB but if it survives to my next turn, i'll probably have gotten so many ETBs and LTBs that i have an insurmountable advantage while my opponents will probably have nothing. like, imagine rune-scarred demon, gray merchant, kokusho etc getting free ETBs/LTBs on every end step. i'll have tutored or drained or otherwise gained such an advantage that it's very hard to win.

my group got sad though so now it's currently not in my deck

>>53395946
you're 100% right, it's an ad nauseam deck. since nearly all of your deck is fast mana and rituals, turn 2 sidisi is really easy. you follow her up with a turn 3-4 ad nauseam and win on the spot after drawing your entire deck.

it works well in the competitive meta because most of the time you won't see decks that win through combat damage there, so you've got 40 life to play with. your curve is so low that you can get away with drawing 60+ cards without dying, and from that point you drop a fat pile of rituals and fast mana to exsanguinate the table. if you need anything specific, you run 2 or 3 cheap reanimate spells to act as demonic tutors once sidisi is in the yard.

>>53395988
wurmcoil stuff
ish sah for sure
stupid recursion shit with Ichor Wellspring
granted these are with our sub 75% decks, the kind of shit that would probably lose to the shit that passes for decks at the rules committee or jason alt's tables.

>>53395133
I'm enjoying myself when no one else is enjoying themselves, and I'm not enjoying myself it they're enjoying themselves. Now what?

I want to make a Silas Renn / Kydele deck where Kydele would hopefully make artifacts cast by Silas Renn free or close to it.

Do I go mass card draw combos or big free artifact creatures recurred constantly and turned sideways regularly.

>>53395946
>Resilience requires efficiency and optimal card choices
I totally agree, but clunky combos and strange tactics can surprise you in lots of ways, it's not because something isn't played by everyone that it can't, like you said, "support it's own weight".

You need to test things out and try stuff before criticizing it, commander is, at least to me, the format of brewing.

I'm pretty sure that, with the right take, a lot of ideas can work out. Certainly there's idea that will never work out, like playing Gaddok in tiny leader, but a lot ideas are discarded way before testing.

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>blocks your view

>>53396143
>high titde
>candle
>turn about
>yog will

this could be funny in an intentionally bad version of a storm deck

>>53396177
or just turn 2 it with flash

>>53396177
>>53396198
wow misread that card soooooooooooo bad
not total cost nine
cost nine
shiiiiiiiiiiiet

>>53396218
...bbbut you can tutor for any amount of cards for free, anon

>>53396218
Yeah, thank god it isn't UHulk+2

>>53396273
as much as I would love to blasph. act and rise from the dark realms in the same turn I just dont see it being worth it

>>53396089
Why not both? Stuff like Wurmcoil and Myr Battlesphere with Greater Good could get pretty out of hand.

>>53396071
You're a dick.

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>>53395133
>We

>>53396425
ARE THE CRYSTAL GEMS

>>53396056
Oh I thought it was a specific situation.

>>53396089
I don't even think you need combos to make Kydele generate the mana for most small/medium artifacts since affinity has some good card draw spells for very cheap. You can finish the game with March of the Machines.

>>53396218
>total cost nine
Maaaaan, just imagine...

>>53396457
>Maaaaan, just imagine...
i mean they go to your hand
what could possibly go wrong
>tutor for every land in your deck
>tutor for a discard outlet
:)))

>>53396071
you're a level 2 spike-timmy

see: >>53395489 for more info

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>>53381510
I got these last week, but they're still new additions to my collection

>>53396511
Wydwen is my favorite commander
mines like a controlish/stax deck that just wins with commander damage though not really dimir good stuff or tribal

>>53395992
Yeah, it's sweet tech and unbelievably obscure, so sometimes people don't understand it's effect.
>>53395760
I tried Vial Smasher, it worked well but felt much less focused, as much as I wanted to play Dack, both Daretti's and MLD I found that Vial was throwing up a ton of red flags and solo Silas flew under the radar until the stax started coming down.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/h-e-l-t-e-r-s-k-e-l-t-e-r/

I had another "Metal Album Art Themed" Thrax list kicking around, and it was more Zombie-focused. I'm thinking of trimming a little fat from this to put a Zombie Tribal sub-theme in; thoughts? Also, suggestions for additions appreciated.

>>53396661
>h-e-l-t-e-r-s-k-e-l-t-e-r/
the shitking himself is back
>metal album art themed
dear god what did we ever do to deserve this?

>>53396689
You can just ignore him if you don't like him, dude. All you're doing by throwing a tantrum is giving more attention.

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>>53396553
I'm trying to make my own twist to the Prof's Sygg, River cutthroat deck.

It's got Hot Soup for some fun times.

>>53396484
>all lands
>Archfiend of Ifnir
>Seismic Strike
>that one mana red guy that turns damage into -1/-1 counters
TRY AND PLAY A CREATURE, LET'S SEE HOW THAT GOES

>>53396862
>try and

>>53396862
>Seismic Strike
Did you mean Seismic ASSAULT?

>>53396661
>$1906.26
Jesus Christ .... you've gotta be kidding me

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>>53396661
Tombstone Stairwell is value if you have something like Eldrazi Monument to make your board indestructible (Monument is also just gas for "wide" tribal decks). Since they're both "beginning of upkeep" triggers, you can stack them to get your zombies then pay cumulative, right? So if you have a Phyrexian Altar (Gravecrawler combos) you can sac some Tombspawn tokens to pay for upkeep, I think.
>>53396689
His decks are usually fun to help build since they aren't meta goodstuff. He also runs a containment thread for rules question, would you rather have those clogging up /edhg/?

>>53396918
To be fair, the majority of that is tied up in the landbase.

>>53396919
>Since they aren't meta goodstuff
I mean, my decks would have to contain "good cards" to be considered goodstuff, so no threat there

>>53396909
Yee I knew I was writing the wrong name. Anyway, I meant Assault, yeah.

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>>53394666
Don't tease the fa/tg/uys, at least post the full pic.

>>53390887
I thought I was a level 3 player. My friends had all made edh decks, and we're trying to keep me playing magic with them, said it was fun and didn't require the constant updates of standard (which is all we scrubs knew at the time). I made a Jhoira deck thinking: this is a cool commander with some fun things going on. My friends hated it and either ganged up on me or couldn't get me fast enough and got rekt. I didn't like that they always ganged up on me, but I did like winning, but I didn't like that they all seemed sad when I shit all over their game plans with the inevitability of land destruction and a blight steel colossus. So eventually they got good and my deck stopped being good, I stopped playing magic almost entirely. They tried once again to get me back into magic. I didn't want to drop a ton of money, and I saw that their decks had become finely tuned machines at this point. I thought about how they were all "Spikes" and I wanted them to enjoy their game, but I didn't want to not enjoy my own. So with all the aforementioned criteria in mind I set about building my deck. I started with colour, I saw scramble verse and thought thus is garbage but it could be fun, so red. I picked Norin the Wary. He literally does nothing, can't attack, can't block, no actual ETB abilities attached to him. He's just a coward. Hilarious I thought. I then stuffed it full of lolrandom effects, boardwipes, and any Norin synergies I could find. This deck was intended to let me have fun without worrying about winning, therefore letting my friends have fun. How wrong I was. This deck was an absolute nightmare: scrambleverse, confusion in the ranks, warp world, grip of chaos, coin flip effects, blood moon, and johkulhopps. It was all the lol random I had been going for. However, it turns out it was incredibly unfun for my friends. They couldn't win, they couldn't get any kind of board state. Funnily enough, the deck I made kept winning, or at least made them lose.

>>53398610
me too haha what a funny and great story that i just read all of

>>53393922
The wording of this card is weird:
>So anytime any creature is put into any graveyard
>Check is there a creature in play,
>Check that any creature that went into any graveyard went to your graveyard,
>if above conditions were met, then Return that creature that went into your graveyard to play
So essentially, anytime any creature is put into any graveyard you check, but it only triggers the return if it went to your graveyard?

I picked up most of the staples for an enchantress deck, but I'm having a hard time choosing between GW and GWB. Which is stronger?

>GWB pros
Karador is a strong commander
Necropotence, Phyrexian Arena, Yawg's Will

>GW pros
Easier mana
Reliably play Serra's Sanctum every single game


it's a tough choice

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>>53399436
Okay.

>Karador
What kind of enchantress are you building where this guy makes the difference?
>Necro / Black Draw
Slap enough enchantress effects in GW into the deck, and you'll draw insanely well. You could most likely make due without black.

>Pure GW
The landbase argument is valid. Serra's Sanctum is a different tangent, although if you have a Serra's I'm curious how you can't afford a good landbase too.

I play 4-color enchantress, in non-blue. So I can see how you're conflicted - Junk is pretty damn good at rounding out enchantment decks. I really only have red for Punisher effects - otherwise Junk would be top-tier in my book.

If you can afford more colors, and the commander makes sense, go for more colors. It opens too many doors, and if you have good fixing it doesn't matter if you diversify your colorbase.

new thread when

>>53399905
Be the change you wish to see in the world
Faggot