Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>53353272
Is there something wrong with the megas?

>>53353303
Working for me

>>53353316
Downloading wise, seems like some downloads would just freeze.

>>53353272
Once, in ancient times, there was a great city of sorcerers. They drew their power from a tame God they had ripped from the outer planes, tortured, and kept alive through vicious sacrifice. Eventually, however, they lost control, started turning on each other, and when the God broke free the energies released by its seals being destroyed dragged the entire city into a place on the edge of reality, teetering just on the brink of a plane of dreams.

Above, in the material plane, the world moved on, ages passed, and a new civilization rose. Below, the God tried and failed, over and over, to reach out to those in the waking world. It was a lost child that didn't understand why it had been hurt, and then abandoned. It grew lonely. It grew bitter. Eventually, it reached out through dreams and nightmares, and pulled someone else down to the dead city it inhabited. It placed a crown on their head.

The majority of my campaign had the PCs thinking that the crown was the problem, trying to destroy it when one villain after another put it on. It didn't occur until the endgame that there was someone else granting them power.

>>53353320
Sometimes that's Mega itself being shit, I was able to download a PDF easily

>>53353334
Yeah, trying again. Thanks heaps bro.

>>53353367
No problem, here to help

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Do you ever plan for a character to fall, even if they're not a Paladin who can do so formally? Do you find yourself rehearsing what they'd say if they finally gave in to their dark side and rejected their humanity?

And if you do, do you play it for tragedy, or horror, or something else entirely?

>>53353393
I try not to plan something like that

Or else its not organic

>>53353329
Evil gods can be fun, but they should generally have a roundabout solution rather than straightforward kills

>>53353393
>>53353686
I want to see every /pfg/ campaign have a character who falls hard!

Are javelins good?

>>53354047
no throwing weapons are 'good'

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>>53353272
I've tried, but I can't bring myself to be truly nasty. Usually I end up as a dickish and unethical TN. Our DM, on the other hand, is apparently a LE fetishist, so we used to end up working for Asmodeus anyway whether we wanted to or not. And the last time he played personally, he was an NE shitbag ninja that was pretty much impossible to stop (because he was a ninja and did everything he could to hide his alignment).

I will give the iconic Antipaladin for at least being funny about his evil. Most of the evil characters I've dealt with were just annoying.

>>53354072
What about the longbow?

>>53354047
>>53354140
Archery is the best way to do ranged combat, followed by dual-wielding thrown weapons. Everything else is shit unless you take a class or archetype focused on it.

>>53354178
Unless you're using PoW, in which case everything is pretty good, even shite throwing weapons.

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>>53353272
In an evil campaign we once raided a boarding school full of noble's kids to ransom them back and get money to pay our army. One elf girl who's parents refused to pay got really obnoxious, and was even threatening other prisoners that her smite-happy paladin dad would kill them too if they didn't help her escape. We promoted her to Goblin Morale Officer.

My evil PC was a hormonal misandrist changeling. Gestalt game, so Negotiator Bard/Cleric of Ardad Lili. Good at converting people to her side, supported the party in combat, and was slowly building a harem of monstergirls.

>>53354289
>goblin morale officer

Christ.

>>53354289
So... They ate her? Goblins are many things, but rapists they are not.

Is it true that 80% of the men and women in the Land of the Linnorm Kings wear their hair as an undercut?

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What is better as backup ranged weapon for characters not specialised in it? Bows, crossbows, guns, throwing weapons...

>>53354386
Sling.

>>53354386
The ideal weapon of any pikeman or noble swordsman is the hackbutt.

>>53354386
If dex crossbow if str sling

>>53354392
>>53354404
What's so good about slings, besides the fact that they're cheaper than composite longbows?

>>53354424
Generally if you can use a bow, they're ideal, but for a cheap backup, the Sling is the best possible, its range is the real winning factor as well as providing str to damage.

>>53353272
My PC NTR'ed another PC just to pay back an insult.

>>53354301
Hey, we enchanted her to enjoy the first few hours!

>>53354335
Next you'll be claiming that dwarves dislike beer.

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How threatening are a bunch of soldiers/bandits/monsters with firearms compared to crossbowmen or archers?

>>53354468
The goblins would make a sport of cleaving off her extremities, they would gnaw her face off or set her on fire. They would pickle her still-living organs or see how many times they need to drop a very big rock to smash her ribs.

But they won't rape her, of all the beasts Paizo has not balked at admitting would screw a guy or girl, goblins are not and have not ever been one of them.

>>53354493
Depends how close they are.

Close range firearms are far more dangerous because they go into touch AC while crossbows and archers have longer range and faster reload (depending on level and weapons in question)

>>53354493
People will tell you they're not dangerous at all. Those people are liars. A squad of gunmen with some pike support is devastating, the Tercio works in Pathfinder.

>>53354506
maybe they weren't paizo goblins

>>53354493
Depends on the class of the enemies and said abilities

>>53354516
Would've surprised me, anon is worshiping a Whore Queen and using PF classes.

>>53353272
How would you rank the game's ful caster spell lists, from best to worst?

>>53354493

That's a hard question to answer, without adding more details. You're basically asking us to make a CR calculation without telling us the number of individuals in the troop, or what creatures they are.

>>53354532
Wizard/sorc/arcanist > Witch > Cleric/Oracle > Druid

I don't know psychics for shit but its probably below witch and above cleric/oracle

its worth noting that domains and such make some of the lists far better

>>53354535

Mostly I ask because I've heard that firearms are not too stellar (at least at the hands of PC).

>>53354556
Psychic would be just tied with witch, really. You forgot shaman, but their list eats shit and is below Druid.

>>53354560
Firearms are amazing as long as you're getting dexterity to damage from gunslinger or trench fighter

without that they're are sheer garbage

>>53354575
Shaman's list doesn't matter at all to them cause wandering spirit lol

>>53354560
In the hands of mooks they can potentially be better than other ranged weapons due to hitting touch-AC. But that assumes that the party(or at least most of it) has too high regular AC for them to reliably hit, at which point the mooks will likely be useless anyway(unless, like the other anon said, they're getting dex to damage). And such mooks will likely get their shit kicked in effortlessly anyway.

>>53354579
>Firearms are amazing as long as you're getting dexterity to damage from gunslinger or trench fighter
Dex to damage makes firearms okay. It does not make them amazing.

>>53354506
So... just because paizo never explicitly included goblins as rapists, as compared to ogres and orcs and everything else, they're not?

>>53354531
We used PF for a system, but the setting was Dungeon Keeper. Also the player running a Dark Mistress ragequit when I got better at converting captives.

>>53354621
no, it absolutely does make them amazing, guns are murderdeath autohit against most enemies in pathfinder

>>53354584
Some archetypes trade out wandering spirit, tho

>>53354663
We call those 'shit'

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I've been away from Pathfinder for a while, looking through the SRD as I plan my next character (probably a Fighter of some kind).

When did they add the Vigilante class? Was it always there? Mother of God, it HAS A MAGICAL GIRL ARCHETYPE. People have an excuse now! I'm sure I'm the slowest of slowpokes, but the absolute madmen!

That aside, it seems like you could get a 4 player all-Vigilante group with all areas covered. Some kind of Avenger for beefy role, some kind of stalker for rogue needs, Zealot archetype for divine magic, Warlock archetype (or magical girl if your group wouldn't kill you) for arcane. That way the whole group could play their social part together and then transform for the fighting, too. Anyone tried campaigns with them?

>>53354665
Yeah, because the class' spell list is shit. The fact that the shaman has features to circumvent that doesn't mean the spell list itself isn't shit.

>>53354710
i wasn't disagreeing

Wandering spirit is the justification for why its own spell list is allowed to be shit

>>53354685
Some people have probably done all Vigilante games, one of the few ways it can really work. Also the magical girl archetype is just a worse version of the Summoner.

>>53354685
the magical girl archetype is garbage though and since they made transformation sequence a social talent available to ALL vigilantes at level 1, completely irrelevant.

>>53354735
Which Vigilante archetypes are good, then?

>>53354685
Magical Child is ultra shit, and its transformation sequence has become a social talent for any vigilante with any kind of magic at all. Warlock is/can be a better "magical girl" than the actual magical girl archetype.

Warlock and Zealot are mediocre but playable on account of being half casters, but both are massively improved upon by the use of Legendary Vigilantes and Legendary Villains: Vigilantes by Legendary Games. Especially Warlock, whose Mystic Bolts are guttertrash after a certain point without some of that shit.
t. warlockfag who bullied jolly into adding warlock stuff

>>53354685

Magical girl isn't fantastic but Vigilante as a class is really good.

I recommend looking into Legendary Vigilantes if you want support for it, especially on the magical front.

>>53354727

Honestly, I feel like giving everyone some progression in vigilante talents/social talents would be a good alternative to gestalt that breaks the game less. Gives you some extra fun progression but a good chunk of it is non-combat.

>>53354774
Honestly I've been throwing around the idea of Gestalt but forced vigilante as the 2nd class because vigilantes can be ANYTHING

but i have no time for such frippery.

>>53354774
Vigilante is in a weird spot compared to the rest of the game, but the overall class is pretty good. Giving their social stuff to others could do a pretty nice job of helping classes like Fighter be more fun.

Are there any Vigilante archetypes that you wouldn't recommend anybody taking? This includes LV and LV: V.

>>53354743
>Wildsoul (Eagle, Cat) are excellent
>Warlock and Zealot both have nice lists, teisatsu is Stalker +1
>Serial Killer is "Cursed Stalker +3"
>Agathiel is mediocre but delicious flavor

Is it just me or is there something wrong with this attack, I feel its off

+1 ki focus shock kukri +17/+12/+7 (1d4+7/15–20 plus 1d6 electricity) and unarmed strike +11 (1d8+6) or
unarmed strike flurry of blows +19/+19/+14/+9 (1d8+6)

Str 22 Bab +13, a guy from my group browses here so I dont wanna give to much away

>>53354874
o woops they have Wepon focus for that kukri

>>53354735
It would have been clever and neat if they made enemies require a Will save to attack any magical girl transforming, seeing as everyone always seems to wait for transformation sequences to end.

>>53354832
Hmm, I see. What about more melee oriented ones? More specifically, I'm talking about Hangman, Dynamic Striker, and Masked Wrestler.

>>53354905
Hangman is whips and healing so it automatically went into the garbage bin for me. Stuff from LV/LV:V is almost all decent to good, and Dynamic Striker is amazing is you intend to be an unarmed Vigilante if I remember it right.

>>53354926
>Whips and healing
>Grappling autocorrected to healing???

The fuck

>>53354926
What about identity altering ones like Consumed and Exposed?

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What character build/personnality is the most fun to play ?

>>53355119
Exposed is A+, and basically a patch for flavor for the most part. Consumed is a neat idea but kind of lame.

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>>53354746
>Warlock is/can be a better "magical girl" than the actual magical girl archetype.

Hell, you're right. That energy bolt thing is a big thing I was feeling 'missing' when I was trying to stat Fate just now as a Magical Girl. The warlock talents are also classical magical girl shit, and they even eventually get the familiar too!

Change Warlock to a Charisma-based caster instead of Int and give her the magical transformation ability for something, and it'd be perfect. How disappointing.

>>53355317
>Cha-based Warlock

Jolly has you covered there senpai. You'll have to wait until 3rd for the transformation sequence though.

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Latest update for Starfinder: The Mystic

This is the one of the Magic Classes for the game. It's magic reaches the equivalent of 6th Level spells, which are the highest in Starfinder. It basically combines all those Arcane, Divine, and whatever made up magic groups you can come up with. However, 9th level stuff is in the books if you port over your Pathfinder character, but not Starfinder accessible.

http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljtz?Class-Preview-The-Mystic

What do you think of it's special ability:
>Backlash (SU)
>Whenever a foe succeeds at a Will save against one of your spells and completely negates the effect, that foe takes 1 nonlethal damage for each mystic level you have. This is a mind-affecting pain effect.

>>53354746
What options did those books add for Warlocks?

>>53355357
Yknow what

Starfinder I'd shaping up to look kind of good

>>53355379
In no particular order:
>A talent for Precise/Point-Blank Shot in one
>Auto-scaling TWF talent
>Making all class abilities either Int or Cha based by trading out the 1st level social talent
>A feat for making mystic bolts work with with clustered shots and deadly aim/power attack, as well as adding Int to damage
>Archetypes that stack with it
>A feat for extra bolt range, which is more a QoL thing

There's a guide in the zenith have guide list for the archetype, though it isn't too great.

>>53355394
It's almost like not being shackled to 3.5's sacred cows is a good thing.

>>53355130
Pls someone answer, this will be my first character and I don't want to fuck him up

>>53355487
Someone who casts Reduce Person on their Maid and buys little dresses for them.

Alternatively, Dragon Royalty Jester.

>>53355487
Man just make what you think sounds fun, everybody loves different things.

>>53355130
>>53355487
Anon, that is something entirely subjective. Some people like seeing big damage dice, some people like killing people with magic, some people like being support. What kind of gameplay do you prefer?

>>53355130
>>53355487
This depends massively on what interests you. More information is required. What does everyone else seem to be going for? Do you like hitting dudes or helping allies?

>>53355512
>>53355518
I'm in for the roleplaying, I've been the class clown for all my life, I'd like a character fun to play that fits me.
>>53355498
>Dragon Royalty Jester.
I don't get what you mean I googled it but I can't find any explanation

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>>53355541
Or maybe a kind of perverted character a la Hisoka

>>53355541
Bard. Easy answer is Bard. Go through the d20pfsrd to see if the mechanics make sense to you and then get back to us.

>>53355541
Maybe try the Court Fool archetype for Bards?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo-bard-archetypes/court-fool-bard-archetype/

>>53355541
Dragon Royalty is a homebrew race:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z3EOSCTZTBbNGO60d9O9xnVhVaeAayIIidXg6WeXQps/mobilebasic

It's in a few /pfg/ games. Play as a young one dressed up as a clowm

>>53355130

That's really subjective, since we don't know what kinda shit you like, anon.

Just go with what kind of character you think you would like to play, then build the class around the personality.

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This week in FotJR:
Why you shouldn't split the party

>>53355465
Wow, nice. Seems Warlock is viable, then.

>>53354532
For what? Versatility? Power? Ability to sandbag? Let's go with breadth and depth of options.

>I can do anything
Sorc/Wiz, Clr with Domains, Wandering Lore Hex Shaman

>I can do a lot of things
Clr without Domains, Shaman.

>I am focused on doing a specific thing
Witch, Psychic, Druid

>>53355571
Although the Court Bard is also pretty good at playing around, depends on whether you want to do stupid tricks or insult people.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/bard/archetypes/paizo-bard-archetypes/court-bard/

>>53355554
Definitely Bard.

>>53355565
>>53355571
>>53355633
What should be my personality then, any fun fetishes to give to my character ?

>>53355665
Oh and also what race is the best for this archetype ?

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>>53355665
>any fun fetishes to give to my character
Haha what

>>53354725
The Shaman list only falls off at spell level 7. It has its pick of Cleric, Wizard and Druid spells for battlefield control/save or suck as well as solid utility and a bunch of weird shit.

You want a bad list? Witch. Only built for bad touch with no real utility. Psychic is bad about this too.

The Shaman is considered bad because it is ungodly MAD when falling for the Arcane Enlightenment meme, not for its spell list.

>>53355691
Well I'm going for something close to Hisoka, it's pretty obvious that he should be fucked up

>>53355707
He's a pedophile already, there's enough fucked up there that he doesn't need the extra fetishes.

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>>53355592
>FotJR
Shit man, that's still going? Any updates?

>>53355592
>"You think we should have gone with those two?"
>Roundabout starts playing

>>53355665
>fun fetishes
I happen to be an expert at this.jpg

My vote is for mind control and danger. Turn one of your greatest enemies into your thrall and revel in your power over them.

>>53355731
The assault on Thistletop has begun, with special guest Shalelu along for the ride. The group had just reached the end of the nettle tunnels and had finished questioning a goblin, when Rubio and Sweettooth decided to venture back and check the unsearched areas of the tunnel alone.As an FYI, SotJR is actually in the exact same place so this isn't really a spoiler for them

>>53355776
But bards can't learn mind control

>>53355841
Then your job is to find a way!

>>53355841
Fine, then be a full enchantment Kitsune Sorcerer, though fair warning you will probably get killed off by the party at some point.

Is Mesmerist any good, and are any of the archetypes better than the vanilla version?

>>53355776
>>53355841
Casters being very trigger happy with mind control is a common magical realm trope, but...

Has anyone made a character with a fetish for BEING mind controlled?

>Voluntarily fails every save vs mind affecting
>Constantly asks the wizard to cast charm and control person on her
>Doesn't need to be asked to do lewd things because she finds the feeling itself lewd
>Is such a good girl the rest of the time that party members are hesitant to take advantage of her when she's charmed

>>53355911
I know someone who wanted to make a Barbarian girl like that. It was kind of unnerving.

>>53355911

Stop.

STOP STOP STOP.

I once had a GM who was HEAVY into that shit and couldn't resist incorporating it ALL THE TIME.

It was a two-player game, and the other player was really quiet and soon it just became "The GM throws another mind controlled cutie your way, and this time he's willing to give you magical gear if you won't resist her wiles, and instead give into your bestial desires and fuck her RIGHT NOW IN SESSION"

I didn't want to deal with that. In public. Or canonically.

My character was too chivalrous and heroic!

>>53355939
>>53355911
I bet both of them want others to make their sheets for them, pick out their equipment, and even RP for them.

Grow a backbone

>>53355882
Basically, mesmerist is a 3.5e D&D beguiler that is supposedly way better at dealing with will saves.

If you want to play a melee mesmerist, the vexing daredevil archetype is a good choice. Also, the cult master archetype gets Leadership as well as some other goodies.

>>53355882
Mesmerist is a fuckup of a class. It should have been a themed fullcaster, but instead it gets pulled in too many directions. It can still work, it's just not particularly amazing at anything.

>>53356006
eliciter from sop does it better

>>53355696
Isn't it STILL missing the communal versions of all the spells on the list that have communal versions? Did it ever get Remove Disease? They at least gave the Shaman summoning spells in the advanced class errata, like every other full caster has.

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>>53353272

>Have you ever played an evil game? Have you ever committed a particularly interesting act of evil? Tell me about your evil characters /pfg/! Or even the villain of your campaign!

Tried to be the main villain of the campaign, got shoved into "Quirky Miniboss Squad" status.

>>53355911
You know.
This has loosely given me an Ensoulment character idea.

Time to look for art.

So tell me if this actually works or not. It looks like if you take arcane enlightenment as your wandering hex on the shaman you can pick different wizard spells every day. Is that actually how it works?

>>53356127
>tfw GM would never let me play as a Dullahan

i just want to be a snowflake for once senpai

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So, I need a bit of help /pfg/. My PCs are going to fight their way trough an enemy keep this week (It's the keep on the third book of Hell's Rebels, the one under the command of the Thrune that /pfg/ memes into some sort of tragic hero every time he's mentioned, if you're curious): however, the encounters as written are more lackluster than usual.
I've already been rejiggering the encounters to accommodate the power level of my party, but throwing an horde of level 3 mooks against a level 7 party would only serve to slow things down to a crawl.

So, I'm in need of some mechanical help to touch the encounters up: I've already made the mooks into Troops that can eventually split up to make them less unwieldy, doubled up on some non-human enemies, and made some Warlord officiers with Golden Lion maneuver for support. However, I'm still unsure of some stuff:
1)Suppose I want to make 2 or 3 level 7 Wizards to support the other enemies with Crowd Control and stuff: what are some spells that I should pick, particularly if most of the fighting is going to be indoors? Wind Wall looks like a good option, but I'm drawing a blank on the rest.
2) I want to make the boss a DHB Wyvern Rider cavalier, but I know nothing about charging builds: what are the feats that I should pick up for him?

If it's of any use, the party is made up of 3 Level 8 Gestalt characters: a Gambler//Aegis, a Bard//Warlord, and an Harbinger//Psion(Seer). They really like to plan stuff in advance, so they're probably going to manage to sneak in without a fight, at start. Their combat tactic usually revolve around the Bard//Warlod buffing them up, the Harbinger debuffing enemies trough Cursed Razor, and the Gambler deleting enemies one by one.

>>53356006
So it's a T4 or so?

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>>53353272
>tfw never got to play my vain Osirian Mummy Enchantment Sorceress with a giant vulture pet

>>53356276
It likely still scrapes into T3 barely, but it just doesn't do anything that another class probably couldn't be doing better.

>>53355911
I think I know who this is. But I'm not 100%. So I won't say anything.

>>53356292
What would be a better choice for its niche, then? I remember that another anon said Eliciter was good for it, but I'm thinking about 1PP in case such things are not allowed.

>protag suggests perhaps taking something you are passionate about irl and making a paragon for it as your flower app if you are having trouble.

Guess we're getting a champion of catgirls for domestic ownership.

>>53356378
So you're saying I can make hero of imperialism and social Darwinism and not get odd looks for once?

>>53356350
Why not PM THEM to try and guess?

Dont play a mesmerist in Iron Gods

It will end badly unless you're amazing at roleplaying

>>53353272
>Or even the villain of your campaign!

Caira's husband was killed and his soul imprisoned by a malevolent demigoddess, who sought Caira's assistance in a series of rituals involving ancient artifacts only operable by a powerful, mortal mage, and requiring the bloody sacrifice of thousands and the destruction of an entire city.
If she fails to comply, her true love will be lost forever, and so she has undertaken these dark deeds that will butcher thousands and imperil the lives of millions.

>>53356378
I want to make Gilbert Gottfried as a Mesmerist (Vox)!

>>53356150
Yes. Yes it is.

>>53356421
It'll be fine.

Either way, it probably doesn't even matter.

>>53356423
I've heard of so many classes or concepts being walled hard in iron gods. Is it because of everything being constructs?

>>53356378
Communism Princess is go

>>53356499
When it comes to iron gods, just go barbarian, you can't go wrong.
Incidentally, I ran a game of iron gods where path of war was allowed and it devolved into an absolute mess pretty quickly. I think they clash hard since it's a dungeon-crawl kind of game and resource management gets thrown out the window with path of war. I actually regret allowing it.

>>53356499
Yes. Very. Also undead

>>53356405
Of course, the princess wants to basically culture-dom everyone into volutarily falling under Lotes heel, very imperialistic, and social darwinism is prettt related to imperialism Id say.
>>53356506
Probably a hard sell to a member of a monarchys royal family but shes an odd one so who knows?

Is Fortune ever a worthwhile Hex?

>>53356636
>Probably a hard sell to a member of a monarchys royal family but shes an odd one so who knows?

Even if the Ideal is spicy enough to change history and unite all peoples forever?

Can some helpful anon provide a link to all recruiting games?

Thanks in advance

>>53356772
Have this one on hand.
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77814/ensoulment-of-the-flower-court

Theres also pilgrimage to the demonlands, DAA, and I think ironfang.

>>53356785
Pilgrimage: https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77276/pilgrimage-to-the-demonlands

DAA: https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/75856/dimensional-ark-abyssia

Ironfang: https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77293/ironfang-invasion-aventure-path/

How do I ranged gish skillmonkey? Is eldritch archer my only option?

>>53356932
Alchemist.

>>53356932

Bard
Rogue archetypes
Inquisitor and its archetypes
Alchemist and archetypes
Investigator and archetypes

>>53356971
How are those with sphere archetypes?

Experiment.

Find some apps you hate, from any game, open or closed, chosen or not.

Gender swap them, do you still dislike the apps or are you secretly a waifufag or a regular fag.

>>53357045
Onryou and Branwen as men are exactly like characters I have actually played, and enjoyed playing.

Casimir as a woman does not interest me because she would d still be a bland character.

Kyras as a woman sounds to me like Onryou without the oversexualization, which is what I hated the most about her.

>>53356971
Speaking of Alchemist, is the Wasteland Blighter archetype any good?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/alchemist/archetypes/paizo-alchemist-archetypes/wasteland-blighter/

>>53356405
I hope EotFC is the kind of campaign where this guy and this guy
>>53356506
End up in the same party, but rather than leading to pvp it just results in constant debate between companions who respect eachother.

If you take away the shocking touch scimitar plan for a Magus, do they drop to meh or to garbage tier?

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>>53357257
What if I want to spread my super hot freedom everywhere?

>>53357177
Not too amazing, but it looks better than the base Alchemist for most purposes.

>>53357297
Garbage tier

>>53357311
This is because of lack of damage, right?

>>53357297
Garbage Tier unless you go Eldritch Archer

>>53357297
>>53357339
It basically becomes "You went eldritch archer, right?": the class. Assuming you can still do Dervish Dance, you still have the ever shitty Corrosive Touch to fall back on, and there ARE lots of tricks leftover, but it becomes infinitely shittier since "critical shocking grasp" is one of the few big tricks the class has.

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>>53353272
>Casters only get spells up to 6th level
>Have other, more interesting abilities
>That means no 8th/9th level shenanigans
>That means no "nigga, fuck yo narrative" shit
>Has jedis that fling starfire, alter gravity, and can create singularities
Confirmed for superior game.

>>53357339
It loses damage, on a class that has little else. 2+int on a non full caster, a heavily combat focused spell list, no class features that really bring utility.

>>53356266
Anyone? Any tips on the wizard's spell selection?

>>53357382
I'm tentatively optimistic.

>Spheres of Power only campaign
Would it work?

>>53356649
Yes. It's fucking fantastic.

I'm kinda new to Pathfinder and I was wondering if a Dwarf Shield Champion/Eldritch Archer or Card Caster would be any good?

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>>53356266
How is Hells Rebels? Or Hells Vengeance, for that matter? Strange Aeons well written/designed or just Lovecraft memes?

My group *really* liked Iron Gods and Reign of Winter, so I'm wanting to try another mainline path.

>>53357300
What about Chirurgeon/Wasteland Blighter?

>>53357494
Multiclassing in PF is generally a bad idea unless you know exaclty what you're doing.

>>53357367
What are the other big tricks the class has?

>>53357382
There are narrative fucking spells at 6th level and below.

>>53357382
>It's commonly accepted that PF is best at 10th-14th level, right before magic goes off the rails on the crazy train and the GM basically has to choose between blatant railroading or letting castergods instantly solve every problem
>Starfinder embraces this and is designed around it
They did it, the absolute madmen.

>>53357555
Not to the extent of shit that starts showing up at 7th and up. Furthermore, Mystic and Technomancer have very clearly defined spheres of power, as opposed to wizards who essentially become gods at higher levels.

>>53357541
Well, would this be awful then? Should I then go full champion and dual shields?

>>53357382
>They gimped casters
Dropped.

>>53357132
Is Branden stupidly enormous where it counts?

>>53353272
>Kicking a pig and sending it flying
You cant even do that in Pathfinder.

>>53357507
>Hell's Rebels
Garbage. The writing is bad, the characters are worse, and the villain's motivation doesn't make any sense.

>Hell's Vengeance
A fun romp for evil characters, actually. I recommend it.

>Strange Aeons
Will take a lot of work to make it good, as Pathfinder is definitely not a game where you can properly play up cosmic horror, but will be good if you can set the tone properly.

>>53357132
Seconding genderswapped Onryou. My first thought on looking at UnMonk was a dude like that, but I realized I'd have to play it in a non-/pfg/ game to avoid comparisons.

>>53357257
Oh, absolutely. That would be pure gold especially if they kissed

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I need pictures, /pfg/! Pictures of punchgirls!

>>53357699
Fag

>>53357745
>Kyra has a rack that could smother a man if she's not careful
>Andrika is proportioned like a healthy provincial girl
>Branden is packing a linnorm in his pants
That's a combo that spells double paizuri~

What races would make more sense in the formation/expansion of the Russian Empire or Moscovy Tsardom campaign? What races make more sense for Cossacks? I guess that hobgoblins would make sense as the Golden Horde and orcs for the little Khanates.

>>53357177
I think it's alright, it's better because it stacks with both Chirurgeon and Sacrament simultaneously.

>>53354685
I'm running an all vigilante game.

The hard part is making the players remember they aren't fucking murder hobos and killing everyone is NOT the best plan of action AT ALL. You cannot get information from dead people, and they can't serve as warnings to the people you're trying to scare.

>>53357934

> they can't serve as warnings to the people you're trying to scare.

Like hell they can't!

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>>53357810
>punchgirls
>not kick chicks

>>53357953
Those are fine too I guess. I just need pictures.

>>53357934
>they can't serve as warnings to the people you're trying to scare.
just hang all of their skulls up, works like a charm

>>53357843
>once again no one wants to fuck the handsome, helpful, wise, and highly skilled Victor(?)

Why even make Bling?

>>53357953
Thighs and calves are over-represented. There's no love for biceps and triceps these days.

>>53357978
The preppy dude is more a sleeper hit lind of guy

>>53357843
Why are country gals busty?

>>53358007
Everyone likes a redneck chick

>>53357977
>>53357952
And I rest my case. Muderhobos ruin vigilante games.

>>53358007

Nobles don't breastfeed their own children, and peasantry have large families to increase labor potential.

>>53358007
Stereotypes. And cow jokes.

>>53358032

Batmanfags are the problem. Not murderhobos.

Blame it on vigilantes basically having three flavors: Sailor Moon, Batman, or Serial Killer.

How the fuck can you take anything seriously with Vigilantes?

>>53358007
BOUNTIFUL TRACTS OF LAND

>>53358050
Might make a good Kamen Rider too, unless you're including that with Sailor Moon

>>53358050
>vigilantes having three flavors
>playing with people who are so shit as to only be one of those three
>not being able to spin any of those into anything good
>ignoring the fact that "Batman" alone would be different things to different people

good lord how garbage can your groups be

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>>53358090
Look at Gonzo 2 in the trove for superior Henshin Hero class and a far more interesting Magical Girl archetype

>>53358042
>>53358054
So it'd be bad to have a country gal with a flat chest and butt?

>>53358382
On the contrary, it makes for a fun character moment to have her be sensitive about her figure

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>>53357507
Well, Iron Gods and Reign of Winter are two of the better APs, so there's that!

I've personally found Hell's Rebels to be very enjoyable. It's undeniable that it has a pretty shaky writing in the first 3 or so books, but even it's nothing that can't be fixed with a little work: the books assume a light tone of people running a rebellion in a cafe with a big sign "HERE BE REBELS" around their neck, so adjustments have to be made if your players have a shred of common sense.
Just giving a slight spray of more serious tone and fixing the plot hooks so that the players go to them, instead of people knocking on their door asking "Are the rebels here?" (Actually kinda happens in book 2).

As I've pointed out in >>53356266, the first three books are a bit on the easier side, with the vast majority of the great number of humanoid baddies being Rogues or Fighters, so you'll have to touch those up if your players have decent system mastery. Missions are also written to be supposedly spread out, so there are risks of novaing and campaign smashing crafting on the player side of things.

The revolution rules are kind of a mixed bag: they're neat to do a Kingmaker-lite thing, but as written don't work that well (Tip, multiply recruits trough the rebellion action the higher the PCs title is)

(Next post coming)

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>>53358586


Now, to pass on the good sides of the AP, as a whole it has a more sandboxy approach than other Adventure Paths (Reign of Winter is one of the more railroady, to make a comparison): in general the books are organized so that the PCs learn of stuff A,B, and C, and it's their choice on what to do first, with D and E popping up as they do more stuff of they hear of it trough rumors: after they've done 3-4 of those things, important mission F pops up, and they can do that asap or wait and the other things first, with penalties and such for putting important stuff on the backburner for too much (i.e. prisoners in mission F are already dead by the time they get there.).
Missions also give you enough information to allow the PCs to come up with different plans to complete them: there's usually a way to do things stealthily, instead of just kicking down the door.

In addition to that, there are several almost completely social encounters, ranging from a game of dice with a crazy halfling ghost, to a whole banquet at the house of an eccentric Witch(Yes, you can waifu her): they're pretty fucking neat.
The blurb on the city is also pretty extensive, so there are plenty of hooks that you can expand or plug new ones based on your player's backstory.

I also don't agree with the other anon about Shin Barzilla Thrune: he's a pathetic little shit, but I kind of like that he's a pathetic little shit with enough power and competence (unless when he holds the idiot ball for plot, see below) to be threatening. Hell by the second book is already well on in his plan to become Cheliax's (eventually more) Genius Loci, practically an elemental of a nation. He's a self important dick that wants to be remembered forever, and that's one fucking way to do that.

(This is getting long, holy crap)

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>>53358610
For personal experiences, my players are in book 3 right now, and enjoying the ride: if you remove the "Golly Gee, a rebellion, what an adventure!" attitude most of the allied NPCs have, they're kinda neat characters: Laria is a good character to get them started because she's been trough this already, Rexus' struggle to wanting to make a bloodless revolution and failing is a great story hook if there are actually more practical characters between your players (it happened with mine, at least), and Octavio is A+ husbando material.
Barzillai's lapse of judgement in book 2 with leaving the PC to do what they want can be safely justified by saying that the McGuffin knocks him out for the book, and the trap in book 3 makes sense for damage control..

So TL;DR: If you want a sandbox-lite urban adventure with stealthing and lots of talking, Hell's Rebels is a good choice if you work on it a bit. If you are more attracted just to the Urban part, and want good talking, pick Curse of the Crimson Throne: it's better than HR in alsmost every way, but it's also true it's the best AP Paizo has done, tough.

Hope I was of help!

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>when the summoner had all week to prepare for the fight but only figures out what they're going when their turn comes up

SHIT NIGGA THIS FIGHT SHOULD BE OVER BY NOW, IT'S FISH IN A BARREL

>>53358716
The solution here is to KILL THE SUMMONER

Would it help Martials out in any significant way if I were to allow them to do all combat maneuvres without taking an AoO by default?

>>53358822
It's better than nothing and I like the idea, but generally a martial who doesn't build towards a particular combat maneuver will never be decent at pulling it off, AoO or not.

>>53358797
Can he? He's probably only doing 1d3+1 at 11th with no iterative.

>>53358913
>bullied by a barbarian girl
>cucked out of leadership
>playing the two worst Alchemist archetypes combined
>no iteratives
>1d3+1 as a standard action

Poor Prometheanfag

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>>53358963
>worst archetypes

pretty sure it's just one big crippling archetype senpai, not two

>>53358885
So I was thinking of every martial counting as having all of the Improved maneuver feats that allows you to do maneuvers without AoO, and so then they can go straight into the Greater maneuver feats in order to specialize.

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>>53358994
You're just a summoner with a shitty eidolon if you go that route, anon

:^)

>>53359052
That doesn't really make your statement of "two bad archetypes" true if one of them is actually considered really good. Doubly so if the character in question doesn't even have said archetype.

>>53358963
That's the price, man. He chose fatherhood over power. He chose the homunculoli over competency. Would you consider that to be a worthwhile trade?

>>53358007
>>53358054
Country girls, like country guys, are "closer to nature," and thus possess bestial properties such as enlarged sexual organs. This has been a stereotype since the Greeks, the city folk liking to say they're possibly a race apart from those fat-chested country girls riding footlongs every Harvest Ball.

>>53359206
Whyever would you want to be a race apart from that?

Hey does anyone have the Rogue Genius Guide to Variant Multiclassing? I can't find them in either of the troves.

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>>53353272
Had this wizard/necromancer on Kingmaker adventure path, he had a twisted vision of Abadar's tenets... but he died before i could bring him to full potential.
All i wanted was to hang on with my skele buddies

>>53359264

Same reason why Silvers like humanoids-interracial is their fetish.

What's your character's finishing move? Do they have a badass catchphrase to go along with it?

>>53359205
Ravioli Ravioli...

>>53359414
They smash the enemy over the head with their sword and yell "I'm gonna kill your shit!"

>>53359414
full attack
"I full attack"

What races are immune to aging?

>>53359414
>(Making a dirty trick to dazzle.)
>"It's time to do THAT."

>>53359414
Trip into Riptide attack w/ greater drag.

The trip provokes with Greater Trip. Then his entire movement with drag provokes from my Mauler Familiar. Spend Stamina to continue dragging him and drag him extra (normally around 30ft) so he exhausts my familiar's AoOs. Then while he is prone I dirty trick which escalated to dazed and finish my full attack against the prone/dazed/away from his allies opponent.

>>53359474
NANI!?

>>53359414
Redgrave STINGER!!

>>53359414
"Disintegrate."

>>53359518
you are aware that movement can only ever provoke a single attack from an enemy right (barring feats or somesuch)

Unless you have something explicitly stating that each bit of movement provokes, you only get one AoO.

This is to prevent things like the feat Pushing Assault from being 'way too strong'

Also consider this, paizo lets martials have nothing

>>53359414
in b4 >dota
But this is my warcry when I finish someone
https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/5/52/Sven_ability_godstrength_01.mp3

>>53359414
The Stab which is heralded by the sonorous warcry "Hey, *insert enemy name/, i'm gonna stab you" after which my character stabs.

>>53359414
>"I have you!"
>lots of stabbing goes here
>he doesn't have an actual Signature Finishing Move yet
>tfw haven't unlocked the RTL button yet

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>PF session right now
>monk jumps on table and kicks someone in the face
>DM actually applies the +1 attack when you have the high ground rule
>memes break out

What a great time to be alive.

>>53359264
Because civilization being better than nature, this was also a thing with Gilgamesh when Enkidu was taught that civilized sex is better than wild raunchy animal sex.

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I need help /pfg/, what's the easiest way to give an ethereal character the ability to hit material enemies with their fists? I'm building a UC Monk and taking the Empty Body ki power, and need a way to punch and grapple enemies when I go ghost.

Also can anyone think of any good names for a professional Pankratiast who supposedly came back from the dead?

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>kyrie czarny.png

>tfw you won't make it into any /pfg/ games

>>53360284
Feels good.

>>53360164
Funny how not so long ago, all things considered, "organic" stuff was considered inferior to artificial--triumph over nature and all that.

>>53360246
Sleep would be an expert waifu-smith if only he didn't play straight dudes all the time.

>>53360340
It still is by most sensible people. It doesn't taste better, it doesn't have significant health benefits, and organic farming requires more farmland due to being inefficient as fuck, which harms the environment just as much as pesticides do, and more than GMOs.

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>>53360284
Don't worry anon, even if you're a weaker writer, we've reached the trickle down era of games!

>>53360365
We need less waifus and more husbandos.

>>53360531
What's the distinction between a male with waifu traits and an actual husbando?

What's everyone's thoughts on the current hot game at the minute, Ensoulment of the Flower Court?
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/77814/ensoulment-of-the-flower-court

Personally, I don't like it. It feels like something out of Mythweavers, where the DMs say 'You didn't get in.... but I'll use your character!'

>>53360531
Do we even have any husbandos? I feel like Captain Slow characters don't really count anymore.

>>53360596
DHB asked a bunch of questions but hasn't posted a character.

Playing in an iron gods game soon. What classes should I stay away from and which ones will be particularly effective? I heard that anything with guns is good in it.

>>53360413
>and more than GMOs
So long as proper containment protocols and vigorous testing is involved to prevent transgenic geneflow from occurring outside of the intended crop (as is somewhat common for various grass/grain crops and surrounding grasses, thus causing an inbalance in the natural selective process of the affeted wild plants, as well as the various auxillery organisms associated with it. Further, while we have been getting better, there is still much about the unintended side effects of trans-genetic organisms that we are only just now discovering in relation to other species, such as how recent studies have known changes in the behavioral patterns both Honey and Squash bees due to implementation of antiviral transgenes into commercial squash crops.

And this is not including the potential issue if genetically modified animal crop, such as with fast-growing modified salmon, ever escaping captivity and the ecological damage they can cause.

I guess the issue is, while GMO and chemical farming is needed and mandatory to feed the massive global population we currently have, there is still much scientific uncertainty in terms of their ecological side effects, which would require more research and refinement into he technology than companies like Monsanto and Beyer are willing to commit. And that's not even getting into the further issues of smaller farms and businesses getting screwed over due to the implementation of genetic copyright and terminator genes, which is already on top of the other economic stresses forced onto them by the modern subsidized agricultural commodity industry that have been screwing them and forcing them to sell to larger corporations ever since the implementation of the Food Securities Act.

Really, while GMOs are indeed the future of farming for the purposes of feeding the currently growing population, we have to ask ourselves whether we're willing to rush into it and cause a potential repeat of something like the DDT Crash

>>53360596
Protag has clarified multiple times that he does not intend to use characters as npcs, he literally means to invite players who didnt get accepted to make guest appearances when their character could be relevant, if the player wants. Presumably hed also be fine with you interacting with the world in a "downtime" fashion if you asked for some reason.

>>53360650
your dog is a GMO

>>53360601
Casimir, debatably Sigmund, are husbandos. Andrik looked a little phoned in, Aurelius more so. Ulfric could have been Dragons2's best boy, similarly so the arrogant Paladin|Monk from Dragons1. There were plenty of husbandos for Wrath of the Raunchy, but I can't remember much of them off the top of my head. And honestly, Shanan looked like a fun pick for Legacy of Fire.

>Turning an Int caster into a Cha caster
Is that a nerf? what if I throw an extra 2 skill points at them at the least?

>>53360702
Without compensating in some way it's definitely a nerf, but the extra skill points probably make up for it.

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>>53360674
I'm not talking about breeding you stupid mong. Had you paid attention I'm speaking specifically of transgenic modification of organisms directly, ie the use of foreign genes from a different organism to influence an existing one.

If you wanted a better case for your argument, you should've instead talked about how Maize is technically a GMO due to being a descendant of a specifically bred hybrid of primitave Zea diploperenis and a member of the genus Tripsacum.

Then again, considering the fact that you appear to have barely read or understood the post, and failed to see that I was in favor of it as stated multiple times, You probably lack the education base to even know what a Tripsacum is or to have even read any of Mary Eubank's works on corn hybridization and phylogeny. Heck, I doubt you've actually read a single peer-reviewed scientific article of GMOs at all

I'm thinking of using a points system to track when evil NPCs might undergo an alignment shift.

Something like +1 for every kind gesture from a nonevil person or reward they receive for good acts, +2 for a romantic gesture from a PC (hey, it worked for Greta), and -1 for every time they're mistreated by an NPC or -3 if it's one of the PCs that's supposed to be helping them,

Does this sound a little too metagame-ey? I feel it's better than just going "okay this evil NPC is your best friend now."

How important are high level spells for an inquisitor?

>>53360758
So a Cha Magus with 4+int skill ranks a level, should be fun?

>>53360839
Depends. Are you using Eldritch Scion? Because eldritch scion is excessively restrictive and shitty on top of the usual problems with the class.

>>53360892
No, I'm making an archetype

What do you consider to be the "usual problems"?

>>53360702

Int to Cha is a nerf, yeah. Int has the ability to steal so much of Cha's pie it's not funny.

+2 skills/level isn't bad there. Might still be a nerf but it's a lot closer than before.

Wis -> Cha is a massive nerf and needs massive buffs to make up for it.

>>53360944
>Usual Magus problems in general ("only one build" and "only one spell")
>Spontaneous casting means metamagic gets fucked
>Charisma is a pretty garbage casting stat as well

>>53360801
If the PCs don't take any steps to reform them, just keep them evil. Either they nut up and make a decision, or they still have a loose cannon that kills people for petty or selfish reasons. It's their own fault for ignoring the elephant in the room.

If the PCs do seem attached to this NPC, though, have them turn neutral. Good can come later, if the PCs do something dramatic to convince them.

>>53360650
Not rushing into it traditionally means making it impractical for corporate interests, which means we don't make any progress until it becomes practical.

We're gambling either way, really, but that doesn't mean consumer terror regarding the effects of GMOs on the human body isn't a little misplaced and overamped.

You do have valid concerns regarding the effect (and spread) human-added genetics will have on the ecosystem.

>>53360966
Int only ever really steals skills from cha's pile. Cha can steal:
>saves
>AC
>initiative
>attack/damage
>HP
>skills

Cha can get everything with effort.

How would one go about making/getting a cannon arm much like Guts from berserk?

>>53361075

Mind you, most of that takes class features. Not just 'I took a trait or feat'

>>53361075
>with effort
so it's trash

>>53360811
Heal is always useful, the alignment words are good (as long as you can set yourself up to avoid friendly fire), Overwhelming Presence is a game changer if you can get everyone to fail the save. Greater Dispel is always going to be handy. You can also get some other spells depending on what god you worship; for example if you worship Pharasma you get Moment of Prescience as a 6th-level spell (which is insanely good).

>>53361072
Indeed. I guess the only option we have is to try anyway, then pray we fix any problems that arise before its too late.

That, and for someone to at least try to amend the Farm Bill at some point in the future to maybe make things less awful for small private farmers. But y'know what they say about if wishes were horses.

Also Solar Roadways when?
Failing that, NA Native Collapse level Apocalypse when?

>>53361127
>requires effort
>therefore it's trash
Is this why PoW is so popular? Because it gives you literally everything for nothing?

>>53360789
lmaoing @ your life

>>53361127
Int has to put in effort as well and gets less out of it.

Int gets 1 trait = 1 skill or a class feature to get anything else. For Cha they can poach Init with a feat. They can poach Attack/Damage with a feat. Saves and AC are from class features, same with most of the skills. HP is from a fucking spell.

>>53361094
HP, Attack/Damage, and Initiative are all feats or spells. Which is more than int has to it.

>>53360789
That's not how you post smug anime girls.

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>>53360241
I would like to bump this here question, if ya'll don't mind.

Also, another question that I had last night, but not sure if it was ever answered.

So, Monk of the Mantis gets Sneak Attack, but only when flurrying. However, the Strangler feat allow you to apply Sneak damage to enemies you have grappled. How would these two things interact?

>>53361184
Holy shit, is it 2006 again? This is some low effort betamax level of shitposting

>>53361200
>HP, Attack/Damage, and Initiative are all feats or spells. Which is more than int has to it.

Isn't attack/damage purely with a single, pretty crappy (1 handed melee/throwing) weapon and requires a specific alignment that makes you non-applicable for paladin and it's cha-to-saves?

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>>53355911
Does it feel comfy to be charmed?

>>53361227
I apologize. I don't normally save smug anime girl pics, or much any anime girl pics at all, and as such I'm unused to their proper implementation. Really, I only have this one and a few others saved because I find the Smug Wendy meme to be somewhat novel

>>53361277
I like 3 the best.

>>53355911
No. There's a couple who'd be more confused than mortified by the experience when it was over, though.

None of my characters share my fetishes. This is a safety mechanism.

>>53361284
that's why your posts are worthless and i have no interest in replying to them seriously

>>53361277
Yes, but only if it's #3.

>>53360678
Sigmund was the ideal man! ;_;

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>>53361314
Because you a salty faggot who got BTFO'd for not knowing both assuming a position from your opponent that was wrong, as well as being criminally under equipped to actually engage in any form of intellectual discourse?

I get it man, not everyone is clever enough to engage in scientific conversation. Though the least you could do is maintain your dignity by bowing out rather that attempting to banter with empty and worthless statements that are both juvenile and have no actual bearing on the topic at hand

So /pfg/, while GMing how do you deal with prima donna players who can't handle their power fantasy being infringed upon (in a situation when kicking them out yourself isn't an option).

Normally I set up a sort of honey pot of an enemy who insults them, that the player knows who stronger than their character by a wide margin, and wait. I make it very clear that the offending party is out of their league. The player almost always bites the bait and has their character die. Often afterwards they remove themselves from the game.

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>>53361386

>>53361312
All characters share at least one fetish with me. There's no escape.

>>53361277

It feels like something you'd kill someone for inflicting upon you.

Not quickly, either. Something you'd watch them slowly bleed out from, staring into their eyes as they helpless, hopelessly attempt to compel you to save them.

>>53361444
Gotta lap up that blood, son. Don't let it go to waste!

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>>53361440
You don't have to give up like that!

>>53361277
Depends on how you feel about free will.

If it's sacred to you, you'll feel trapped inside a puppet made of your own flesh. A horrible feeling. On the other hand, those who see choice as a burden will find the lack of responsibility liberating.

>>53361200
>Cha-to-init means no dex to init, and that your 1st level feat is shot also fluff implications if your group cares
>Cha to attack/damage is a joke, because it requires you to be CG and also to use a mediocre light weapon
>"muh dips" in a game that discourages multiclassing

Charisma being good is a forced meme. Con-SAD Avowed is the only time it was "good", and that was because it was super overloaded.

>>53361396
no
you throwing a bitchfit is funny though

>>53361396
could you be any more booty flustered

>>53361417
Depends on what you mean by "prima donna players" and "power fantasy". If you mean that they like being powerful and are getting overconfident in their ability to handle challenges rather than cowering like a whiny bitch, then the player isn't the problem.

I don't see it as a problem to be dealt with unless the player themselves is being combative or confrontational. If they can drop character and respond to criticism, we good. Baiting them into getting their character killed just makes them more angry, and they're probably going to make their next character just to get revenge.

Not to mention it makes you a dick for not just stepping up and telling them to get out if they're really so bad.

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>>53361396
Here's 1 (You), spend it well on the trip back.

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>>53361493
>>53361527
>literally "No u!"
This is some delicious schadenfreude! I suggest getting into Hollywood, I'd imagine ya'll getting a good career working for Seltzer and Friedberg

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>>53361541
Don't need it. Here, have one instead, I'm giving them out for free. You can spend it some some Preparation H for your sore rump

>>53361549
could you melt down any faster?

>>53361537
>Not to mention it makes you a dick for not just stepping up and telling them to get out if they're really so bad.
I do if I can. I'm talking about situations where this in infeasible for some reason or another. Last time it was because of another player's SO.

>>53361549
I don't even know what this argument is about but your use of smug images disgusts me. If you're trying to make a serious point they'll detract from them and make it look shit posts, and if you're shitposting for fun and attach large write ups to it you're getting a poor effort for (You) ratio.

Smug anime, and smug anime girls in particular are the pinnacle of shitposting when properly applied. It's a travesty to see these reaction images abused like this.

>>53361549
this is pretty fucking pathetic man but hey you keep digging that grave

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>>53361549
fuck man, you're reaching dangerous levels of assmad.

>>53361578
Considering that you were the first to start spewing shitposts first, I'd say you have me beat for melting point

>>53361602
The thing is I started>>53360650
andly only smugged in response to a faggot shitposter losing his cool >>53360674 by responding with>>53360789

Not my fault he can't stand being told off on the internet and decided to fire back with nothing but childish "NO U" ad hominems liek he is >>53361619

If he can't keep up with the bants, who needs to leave 4han and go back home to whatever hugbox he crawled out of

>>53361619
Pal. Buddy. Amigo. Tomodachi. Amie. Chum. Comrade.

Have you ever heard of a capital letter? Because if you haven't, it's really not helping your case here. And I say this with no idea why you two are smugging at each other.

>>53361635
>says the man kownposting
now that's what I call rectally ravaged

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>>53361396
>>53361549

>>53361597
Still a better idea to just tell them (or their SO, for that matter) that they should go. Killing their character doesn't teach them anything, because if they're such a dick that you can't just tell them to leave and expect them to do so, they're only going to be made more indignant and angry by it.

If you tell them what the problem is, there's a chance they can fix it. What exactly is the problem that prevents you from telling them to just leave? And what is preventing you from just leaving on your own terms, then re-starting the game without them?

>>53361657
>losing his cool
lol

>>53353272
>join an evil game
>everyone is really LN poser acting like they're LE

>>53357770
>Bullrush, Improved, Greater
>Forcepunch
>Awesome Blow (Not likely I know but still)

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>>53361687
>look ma! If I say he's mad, no one whill know it is really I who is the butthurt for getting BTFO'd!
But please, give me more delivious (You)s made of salt and impotent tears. I think they're giving me an erection

>>53361692
>Killing their character doesn't teach them anything, because if they're such a dick that you can't just tell them to leave and expect them to do so, they're only going to be made more indignant and angry by it.
My goal wasn't to teach. My goal was self satisfaction.

>>53353272
I'm playing the only Evil character in my Overlewd group!

>>53361713
So corrupt them then. Tempt them.
Offer them all they desire.

>>53361732
>can't even tell when he's talking to multiple people
sheeit, your anger levels are spergtastic

>>53361693
>damage control level: MAXIMUM OVERSHIT

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>>53361767
>still nothing but "umad"
>still trying to hide his samefagging

>>53358822
Define significant way, because most combat maneuvers are generally situational.

Personally I think a feat tax reduction in addition to removing steal and having disarm cover that is enough.

>>53361713
Man, I hate LE and LN leaning LE. It's lazy evil for weaker roleplayers, and even when someone really good gets a handle of it, it looks so restricting to play.

CE played competently is so much better.

>>53359414
>Woke on the low UMD fighter casts a Save or Die spell.

>Come up with witty catch phrase before the coup de grace

>>53360152
>Get High Jump
>Don't always do this next to a wall so you can slow your fall and get that sweet +1 to your flurry of blows

>>53361790
>samefagging
>implying id put that much effort in
lol

>>53361260
They don't. But since you're in the dirty toolbox anyway there's a handy spell that gives you sneak attack which would stack with your flurry and apply when you grapple.

>>53361886
That I can believe in considering you don't put much effort into your already existing shitposts

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>>53361805
>Hurr I just want to do what I want when I want
Lawful Evil isn't a restrictive alignment. Fundamentally, your tenets aren't about the spirit of the words, at the end of the day, it's the letter of the words. Twist them and turn them in so many creative, despicably evil ways. It's so much more interesting when you find it as something to exploit for as many holes as possible than just have a blanket choice. Finding those holes where you can pull off anything you want is that much fun!

>>53361919
That's stupid. Just be a man and rape her, wuss.

>>53361910
stay mad son

Which nation is the Poland equivalent in Pathfinder?

>>53361941
But why, though? She'll be loud in the wrong way, dry, not cooperative and a bitch both before and after. And now she has a grudge against you, or her brother, or father, or whatever relative, or whoever feels the need for justice. So many complications because you took the first option you saw available.

It is far more interesting to figure out how you can mold her, so she is the one to come to you, willing and cooperative. After that, there will be far less long term issues. Why break your toy when you can customize it to work best for you?

>>53362018
Brevoy.

>>53361907
Eh, Sense Vitals is a tad useless for me since its a 2nd level spell and I'm planning on sticking to pure UC Monk, so going caster is not an option. Oh well, I guess maybe I should drop Mantis and stick to pure vanilla UC Monk

>>53361960
Seriously nigger you need to stop, do you have any other words in your vocab other that "lol" and "mad"? You're just as mad as him

>>53362018
Brevoy

>>53362061
nah i didnt go on a tirade about gmos its safe to say im less mad than him

Can someone clarify something about the Unchained Gunslinger?

With contraptions like the Veil-Piercing Goggles, can you make more than one pair or can you just make one?

>>53362020
>>53362020
Break her. Feel the fear in her eyes as she begs for death. There are plenty more where that one came from.

>>53362089
Hey there Vult, hope PLD is going well.

>>53361919
All that comes down to is playing a binary character that twiddles their fingers until an excuse pops up. Every LE plays out the same way excepting the player quality. It's the alignment for boring folk who want power they'll do nothing with.

Chaotic Evil opens you up to a wider range of philosophies and doesn't close you off from manipulation or team play, it just asks you to come up with better reason for your actions. It gets a bad rap for being retards first evil, but all the best villains in every media are easily CE.

>>53361386
He can still be the ideal man if only you would PM HIM.

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>>53361919
Because Lawful Evil will let you not only rape her, but also get her to be too afraid to push charges and let you make any little shit who tries to be a hero and stop you get arrested for trumped-up charges

>>53362082
>tirade
nigga I aint even him, but having just now read it, and the follow ups here>>53361072 >>53361170 I think its safe to say it was not some tirade. IF anyone is buttmad its the faggot who responded with>>53360674 who may be the same moron who posted>>53361184
You're full of shit

>>53361791
> feat tax reduction in addition to removing steal and having disarm cover that is enough
That's basically my idea. Evey Martial would count as having the Improved maneuver Feats already, so no need to have Imp Unarmed/Power Attack/Combat Expertise to qualify for the Greater maneuver Feats, allowing for easier specialization. All of those are still BAB +6 so it's not like it's free at that point either.

I am thinking for keeping the appropriate Ability score requirements though.

> Join campaign
> Dm basically took FMA, Gravity Falls, Dynasty Warrior and fused it into his campaign and railroads us, awarding anime cliche women or gear to those who listen to him
> Can't buy any magical gear
> Can't run a kingdom unleash you're his favorite and even then you can't run it or do shit
> Can't be a full caster to "balance" shit
> All PCs are mythic but there are anti mythic monsters and NPCs who are triple CR
> Party consisted of a Psychic, a Rogue, another Rogue, a Samurai, and a Dragon Rider fighter, and me a Sohei
> Both rogues do shit to inflate their ego, one of them has a harem of characters from video games, cartoons, and anime he likes
> Other rogue wants to blow up the universe because he fucking hates the setting
> Psychic just wants to learn shit and DM rehashes shit from Gravity Falls, FMA, and Dynasty Warriors
> Dragon Fighter wants to just jerk himself off and doesn't RP at all, even less somehow then me and the samurai since we both stated we just wanna kill shit
> campaign de-evolves into just FMA/Gravity Falls with cliches from harem anime
> Left a few months ago
> Start up a series of solo campaigns
> First is set in Golarion setting, ended up pissing off a paladin order due to killing a transexual paladin and her girlfriend when they were about to give a Holy Avenger to a demon for a sex change
> Chased for months as I fled north sniping everything and everyone that tried to kill me with my sniper rifle, became fantasy white death
> Ended up burying myself and several paladins via avalanche
> Start a 2nd one set in the Forgotten Realms using 5e and ended up enjoying it but can't find enough books on gaming in FR, though that is just because I'm too lazy to find them right now
> Checked up on it and they're still going months after the DM says the campaign ending event is about to happen
> Decide to start another solo campaign using PF while my group continues to do this shit

So, anyone can help me with a solo campaign idea?