EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

>In your experience does a lot of early ramp usually indicate to you who will win?
Nah man, card draw is the patrician's way of threat assessment

>>53347463
>In your experience does a lot of early ramp usually indicate to you who will win?

No, early leads tend to indicate who's going to get beaten like a two-foot tall nerd in high school with benjamins for lunch money. The second person to really develop usually wins, with the poor threat assessment in my group leaning towards "never re-assess"


Also, it's now songposting time. What's the theme song for your favorite/most recent deck/commander.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s7_WbiR79E
Feldon

>>53347723
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jyRVt5npy0

Decklist to go along with the song if anyone wants to rate or tell me why its shit.

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>>53347743
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/the-bffbig-freakin-frog/

>>53347723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI
My Meren deck with the obvious card(s) in it.

>>53347463
>In your experience does a lot of early ramp usually indicate to you who will win?

Yes. Keep in mind that for that to be a win instead of just a bull's-eye the deck needs to actually be able to win with that advantage. If their ramp just poops out a couple Fatty's to get wrathed it's shit, if they combo off while people are still casting cultivates and shit they have the game.

Wow, weekends are shit for this thread.

What supplies do you consider to be essential?

>>53349357
My deck, a deck box, sleeves, snacks, maybe a playmat if I'm not sure about the cleanliness of the tables.

>>53349357
Deckbox with deck inside, some dice, maybe extra sleeves. Big bottle of water or tea, something to keep me awake. Condoms in case there's a femboy cutie playing and if I'm successful hitting on them.

>>53349482
>Condoms
>For gay sex
How are you supposed to enjoy your AIDS like that anon?

>>53349996
Because the femboy will wear them so the sheets won't get dirty.

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Just had a great game oncockatrice with this guy, fun as hell.
https://youtu.be/rheCxYSHU8U

>>53349482

Where do you play Magic that everybody including myself isn't a gross nerd?

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/21-05-17-sidisi-zombies/
Any suggestions on my Sultai Sidisi Zombies deck? Been wanting to build a Zombie tribal for so long and think I finally settled with her at the helm

>>53350084
Hey Chop It's your friendly neighborhood Taarkous

>>53350856
>"femboys"
>not gross nerds

>>53350856
>go to gay bar
>approach qt
>'hey, you play EDH? Wanna see my Commander?'

Why do you guys love EDH so much? I tried playing 1v1, 4 way and 6 way and the games where so boring and long. Then someone plays an infinite combo and ruins 3 hours of "fun" what is so interesting? It just feels so boring.

>>53351663
It's Thromok

>>53351700
1v1 not only doesn't take long, but it's intense. It's like legacy but the games go wide as hell. The lead pass back and forth often, and it can always be swung around. I had an opponent at 2 get their shit right and stop me out for 4 turns and eventually getting the win.

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>>53351700
>Why do you guys love EDH so much?
It's fun to see obscure jank that would not otherwise see play because the other formats are way too fast.

>>53352254
Pretty much this. Otherwise this big box of shit I have would never see play.

>>53347723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc99zBOIuYw
Selvala Stacks/Land Hate

>>53352254
You can tell this picture is old because Modern isn't on it.

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>>53352321
>Modern

Let's use the MODO banlist for paper.

>>53352406
You do you, brother. I think that sounds stupid.

>>53352421
I think that cards that should be banned are present in virtually every deck and the only way to escape this Hell is bannings.

Whats the issue with Sol Ring? It's cheap as dirt compared to other fast mana staples, why not ban Mana Crypt and Mana Vault?

>>53352486
If you ban one of the fast mana rocks you may as well ban them all, you either ban all of them or none of them .

>>53352444
Like I said, you do you. You can craft your own banlist for you and your group, you know? It's part of what makes this great - it's meant to be a friendly, casual format. Try it out. "Hey, guys, let's swap out Sol Ring for something else, huh?"

Reminder that Prossh should be banned

>>53352608
Just ban Food Chain and Earthcraft and he's much more tame
or do like i do and don't play them and instead use Cryptolith Rite and have tons of fun without going infinte

>>53352486
Price =/= power. Sol ring would be 40$ if it wasn't reprinted in every single commander deck (something they are more than welcome to do with mana crypt).

Fast mana is inherently a problem though. You would ideally ban 4-6 of the fast mana cards if you were to do it (which is probably why they haven't, they have added less than 4 cards in the ban list in the last 4 years IIRC, and they hate to bloating the list).

You would have to ban Sol ring, mana crypt, mana vault, grim monolith, and possibly mox diamond/chrome Mox. If you did this you would probably slow down the whole format by at least a turn.

>>53352600
I play at my LGS in their commander nights unfortunately, can't just house rule away cards.

>>53352758
You don't really need to ban Vault or Mox Diamond, they're both really overrated.

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Hi guys, I have a very general question about EDH. I've been playing EDH for ~4 months, I usually play Legacy and Pauper.

I started by playing my friends' decks and now built an Enchantress Voltron around pic related. After some games, I'm unsure if I like playing this... My experience is that the games are slow, with a lot of not-so-interesting interactions, when more than 3 people are involved I don't understand anything, people forget about each other's triggers, turns are long and you have to wait 15 minutes before playing again.
It sometimes raises interesting rules questions, but most of the game is just plain boring. The games end when someone reaches enough mana to exsanguinate everyone, play omniscience, or trigger Purphoros 20 times.

Oftentimes, I feel so bored that I want to scoop and go home. Is it because I'm a depressed hyperactive piece of shit? are my friends' decks stupid? is being bored to death the whole EDH experience?

>>53353122
You need to play more sweepers then.

Wrath of God, Toxic Deluge, Fracturing Gust, Vandalblast, Austere Command, Bane of Progress.

Keeps the board clear prevents horrible situations where too much is happening and it is hard to tell who the threat is.

>>53352254
>>53352300

Yup. It's where I can play a Dragon Tribal that is slow as hell and still reliably win.

What's the best way for Wx to sac lands? I want a way to pump up my Balancing Act and I'd prefer something more versatile and tutorable than Zuran Orb.

>>53352581
Actually no, while they're pretty degenerate, one sol rock is quite manageable. It's only in multiples that they become truly broken.
>t1 sol land sol ring mana crypt mana vault, flash an eldrazi titan in hand to opponent

>>53353122
You're playing one of the top 3 most uninteractive commanders of all time, so no shit games feel slow and uninteractive. If you want fun in EDH, you play red.

>>53352636
Prossh is broken no matter what he's paired up with, infinite combo or not, he's never not complete and utter bullshit.
>food chain, mana altars, earthcraft
>purphoros, bombardment, tremors etc.
>fecundity
>grave pact/dictate
>hell even asspullhoof behemoth or shaman of forgotten ways if you're truly desperate
And there are so many, many more.

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>>53353738
Prossh is ridiculous. I'm thinking of converting my Prossh deck into a Sek'Kuar deck for that reason.

Pls help me, i want a mono-B deck but i can't decide between this
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/disneyland-1/
this
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/big-black-clock/
or this
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/28-04-17-demonic-pact/

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What are some cards you'd like to use or are using that many people wouldn't consider using because of their drawbacks, if any?

Picture related as this baby is going into my Zygg, River Cutthroat deck.

>>53353704
Wow calm down. I've chosen this commander because I wanted to play an Enchantress deck, initially in Legacy, but considering the cost, playing only 1 of each expensive card and balancing with cheap jank was a good compromise. So EDH it was.

As I told you, I have basically no experience of the format. I've been thinking of a mono-red or maybe RB deck with a lot of mass damage, MLD and things like Eidolon of the Great Revel, ZoZu, Ankh of Mishra, etc. Would that be funnier/more casual?

Ok so i got this Selvala deck that im a having a lot of fun with.

It got Quest for Renewal and Seedborn Muse which allow me to use Parley under my opponents turn. But what usually happens is that i get a bunch of mana that i don't use.

So what im looking for is suggestions that allow me to use that mana during my opponents turn.

Im thinking of cards like Gemstone array or Helix Pinnacle. Things that i can have out on the board and spend mana on.

>>53353974
I like him. Is there any infinite loops that makes infinite tokens with him, other than with infinite mana, Reassembling Skeleton and a sac outlet

>>53354482
I would consider using Words of Wilding and Words of Worship, Call of the Wild, Centaur Glade or Ant Queen or Jade Mage or Nemata, Master of the Hunt, Scooze, Selesnya Guildmage, Soul of Zendikar, Splitting Slime, Splintering Wind, if you can take the risk, Temur Sabretooth, if you play any flash enablers and Wren's Run Packmaster.
Token generators are really good, especially the ones that require green, so Mobilization and other white ones are not as useful with her.

>>53354344
Sounds like you want a Mogis deck then
>MLD
Casuals will hate you

>>53354344
It's not going to be good and people will hate you.

The issue is that your playgroup is shitty instead of fun. If it's just big black, Purphoros and other uninteractive shit I recommend either finding a new playgroup or quitting EDH. Because it's multuplayer you will never have the fun you would in a nice game of Pauper or Legacy, it's one of the format's biggest problems.

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What are the best monogreen board wipes?

>>53354929
All is dust

>>53353653
Aura Fracture
Chain of Silence
Excavator
Lotus Vale
Scorched Ruins

What are some must haves for ghoulcaller gisa combos etc

>>53355318
Thornbite Staff, Phyrexian Altar, Evernight Shade, Undying Evil.

hey, so i asked this a few days ago and didn't get much response. i'm a big EDH player and i'm moving cross-country to los angeles later this year, but i haven't had the chance to head out there yet. is there anyone out there who can recommend some game stores to check out near the north hollywood area?

>>53354259
Definitely the third one. The first two decks could be very strong, but they look quite lame and will always play the same.

>>53355403
http://locator.wizards.com/

>>53355452
i already looked and found a few, but i was hoping for some human opinions rather than just finding places that sell cards.

>>53354929
Great Aurora in a Token deck can put you a head of everyone else if there is a board lock.

It is a bit random though.

>>53355452
He's asking for an LGS with a good commander community. The locator won't tell him shit.

My local area does not host any commander nights so you have to become buddies with the local groups or you are fucked.

>>53355403
I hate to say this but R_dd_t is usually a good place for these type of questions.

My playgroup is going to start a new thing where we all build deck where all of the cards have to be $1 or under. Here is my list, is there any really good stuff Im missing? http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/brago-1-budget-restriction/

>>53355614
make your deck as expensive as possible by using 99 cent snow-covered basics to impress people

>>53350924
>>53350924
Anybody?

>>53355506
>Asks for good game shops
>provide link for him to search
>no that isn't right

Why are you being a crybaby?

>>53355833
>asks for help finding a date
>provide a phonebook
>no that isn't right

Why are you being such a dumbass?

>>53352758
Did this idiot seriously just advocate for banning Chrome Mox?

>>53355949
He seems to be going off the same insane logic as Sheldon, that somehow the RC is so weak that they can't ban one thing without banning 50 others.

>>53355975
Sheldon makes me realized how delightfully sane the DCI usually is (Sure, the MODO commander ban list is pretty long and lousy with things that don't deserve paper bans, but it was written with 1v1 in mind, which is a different animal)

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>>53349482
>no cute femboys at the LGS
>just weird trannies and very hairy women

>>53347723
Just going to go with a full album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uloBD9xxwZ0
Thelon of Havenwood fungus tribal

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>>53347463
had a first night with my prossh deck
got hated off the table pretty hard, so i call it a success
the real problem is me and my decision making
that said, any suggestions on further cuts/adds?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/remove-kobold/

>>53356187
Looks fine to me, personally i would try to put more creature ramp than signets and rocks, things like Wood Elves that you can sac to Prossh after they hit the field for added value.
I would try to find some space for Hornet Queen, also Awekening Zone and From Beyond are a nice source of mana that goes well with the sacrifice theme of the deck.

>>53356187
Mazirek doesn't really work in my opinion, usually you want to try make Prossh die to recast him and get more tokens so he doesn't stick around much for those +1/+1 to really shine

>>53356319
I was thinking about more mana dorks. From Beyond I had taken out since this used to be a Mazirek deck. I'll consider it.
>>53356380
I agree, I had drawn him last night and really couldn't do anything with him.

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>>53356420
>>53356380
>>53356319
added atarka world renderer for fun
replaced scrying and fellwar stone with dorks
might remove atarka for from beyond but double strike prossh sounds hilarious

>>53356924
There are better double strike outlets

>>53347463
>>>53356924
>There are better double strike outlets
Agreed, I just have atarka on hand.

>>53355218
Only Aura Fracture is really usable out of those, but thanks

>>53355949
Both mox diamond and chrome mox cost you an additional card to play, not including itself, and mox opal is a dead card without metalcraft. I would argue that those three are less problematic than the other fast mana sources.

>>53355863
Thank (You) for proving my point

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Are the Mirage slowfetches playable if you aren't in a super cutthroat meta?

>>53357632
Yes.

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>>53357632

I guess.

>>53357632
it depends on how casual the meta is. if you're not super pressed for mana all the time, sure. if you're in a meta where you'd happily play terramorphic expanse and evolving wilds, go ahead and play the slow fetches too.

>>53357632
Yes, but speaking from experience they feel really bad compared to other fetchlands.

>>53357632
If you can play Terramorphic Expanse or Evolving Wilds you can play the slowfetches.

Anyone else jerk off a lot in LGS bathrooms? I didn't use to do it so often, but there are so many girls who play Magic now and everytime I dominate one in an EDH game, or destroy their cuck of a boyfriend while they watch I just get so turned on I have to go into the bathroom and combo my thick gooey nut with the nearest wall thinking about how helpless they are before my powerful Kalemne deck, and how hot their feet are.

>>53358282
>not cucking the grill and stealing the boyfriend
You're playing Kalemne wrong fampai

How are the storage lands in a casual setting? my LGS has one guy who uses a single land destruction card because he sometimes has a Gitrog deck.

>>53358395
i like the storage lands for casual a lot. durdling for a few turns before a big explosive play is the defining characteristic of casual edh

>>53358395
if you have a way to abuse counters or plan to leave mana open during others' turns and LD isn't a real issue, go for it

>>53358282
>powerful Kalemne deck
This was the giveaway that you're lying. Cool story bro.

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>>53358472

If you ever find yourself at my table boy, you will witness the power that is Boros. Best hope that day never comes, or your despair will fuel my next gelatinous genesis.

>>53358472
Just never cast Kalemne. It's all MLD and board wipes.

>>53358559
That's actually pretty accurate. I try to play a bunch of recurrable critters, play some control with Sunforger, then wipe all lands after she resolves with a sword on the field.

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Have you ever actually used the oversized commander cards?

>>53358953
no

>>53358953
i used the oversized griselbrand i got at the prerelease because i knew he was getting banned soon and i didn't want to go out and get one to play a deck for just two weeks

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this question, but I want to be safer than sorry: I have a Haptra out when I cast black sun zenith for whatever amount is enough to kill the board. When do I get the snakes off of her after zenith resolves?

Anyone got any lesser known artifacts? I'm building Muzzio and I'm looking for fun shit to put in there.

>>53359375
>you have player prioty
so when do you want them ?

>>53359406
Codex Shredder, Spine of Ish Sah.

>>53359429
I was thinking I got them before zenith shuffles itself back in.

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Lore question: Karador appears to be buddies with an elf ghost, but there aren't any elves on Theros. What gives?

>>53359461
retcons, muthafuka
they don't give a shit

>>53359461
is Karador confirmed to be from Theros?

>>53359449
The Zenith cycle shuffle into the library as part of resolution. The snakes enter the battlefield after the shuffle occurs.

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>>53359449
the card resolves first, then any triggers from the play afterwards, BUT, i think if you want you can prioritize your stack so that even the snaks die too, (blood artist ?)

this kills the Haptra

>>53359497
i didn't think he was. wouldn't he also be a returned and not a spirit if he was from theros?

>>53357867

They are also really fucking cheap compared to other fetchlands, and except for one guy who likes to play "Turn 3, Go infinite while jacking off under the table, gg." most people play decks that aren't focused on playing solitaire. So I think they'll do fine.

>>53359497
Deck insert said he was chief of the Nessian centaurs.

>>53359530
Ah, okay.

>>53359553
That'd be wild if true.

>>53359553
>BUT, i think if you want you can prioritize your stack so that even the snaks die too
Not from the Black Sun's Zenith you can't.

>>53359553
Wrong. You will get the snakes only after Zenith has fully resolved, since you can't get them before Zenith resolves and you can't put any triggers on the stack, let alone resolve while any other spell is resolving.
So, >>53359375, you will get the snakes after Zenith has completely resolved, meaning that it has put all the counters on the creatures and shuffled back in the library, then the creatures die as state based action and only then is Hapatra trigger put on the stack.

>>53359607
It's not, as you won't get the snakes before Zenith starts resolving

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>>53359666
>666
i believe SATAN, HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN BRO-TIER TO THE 4CHINS

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Running a stax/control deck with this as the commander.

Suggestions??

>>53359710
>image
How important is the expansion symbol and rarity color? Some cards have been printed in several different expansions, sometimes with different rarity colors, and furthermore some old sets had no rarity color and even no expansion symbol at all.

Should I be worried about which expansion/rarity I select for my decks?

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>>53359755
add red

>>53359777

Okay I have spare money, what is the most broken unfun control deck possible to build with Marchesa?

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>>53359769
Yes

>>53359792
stax/prison stuff. generate value off being the monarch forever because no one has creatures to attack you.

>>53353122
The trick is to always be either expanding your board state or holding up key pieces of removal. EDH is ultimately the least interactive format imo because at the end of the day every deck that actually tries to end the game basically can be boiled down to a combo deck and we all know combo v combo is just a race with some interaction sprinkled in here and there.
TLDR Fuck this game I'm quitting lol

>>53359769
It makes no difference. The only cards that care about that (see >>53359797) are not legal in any format.

>>53354344
It takes some time for playgroups to find a powerbalance. Multiplayer has politics if your group cant into politics,it might be dumb.

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>>53359769
>>53359878
The are three legal cards that care about what expansion a card was printed it (City in a Bottle, Apocalypse Chime, and Golgothian Sylex), but they've been errata'd to hit reprints too now.

Your fancy From the Vault: Realms copy of Desert isn't safe from the bottle.

>>53352636
My first deck was Prossh. He's so fucking broken that I ripped the deck apart to build other things because of how dumb it was.

>Tainted Strike
>Xenagos
>Memehoof Behemoth
>Anything with Devour
>Blood Artist/Falkenrath Noble

>>53353122
>with a lot of not-so-interesting interactions
>I don't understand anything

What did he mean by this?

>>53359797
Kinda weird that Rare-B-Gone can hit things like Mortician Beetle, despite also being legal for pauper.

>>53360219
I like the way it can it Vizzerdrix but not Jace, The Mind Sculptor

>>53360256
Mythics are also called Mythic RARE

>>53360314
so Mythic is a supertype? Can we get different kinds of rares?

>>53360338
Supra and Draconian Rares soon™

>>53360338
Someone explain the old Uncommon 1 and Uncommon 2 thing to me.

>>53360219
>>53360256
>>53360314
Uncards work however you can get the people playing with you to agree that they work. You might be able to Rare-B-Gone a common Mortician Beetle, because it was printed as a Rare originally, and you might be able to hit a Jace with it, if your persuasive enough.

>>53354482
Helix pinnacle

>>53360373
>old
It still exists, it's why some cards (Fatal Push) are less opened than others.

>>53352321

You can tell that image is good because Modern isn't on it.

How do you guys transport your decks around? I have 5 decks and 4 100-card deck boxes, and typically just put them in a backpack.

But I think, if such a thing exists, that I'd love to have a case that holds most/all of my EDH decks and maybe a spot for dice/tokens etc. Does such a thing exist?

>>53360449
Fatpack boxes are pretty great. They can easily fit 3 edh decks plus token and dice. The new ones even come with an extra divider that's perfectly sized for a double sleeved deck.

>>53360497
What comes in a fat pack? Would it be worth it to buy one for the box if I don't really need what's inside?

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>>53347723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bF0DS2-gsg

>>53360562
I think 10 packs and 80 basic lands and a spindown d20 with the set logo in place of the 20, a little booklet about the set with a card list at the back.

You could also buy one of those long cardboard boxes for like two bucks.

>>53360562
Not really. It's just 10 packs, a land pack, and a die. It's only worth grabbing one if you plan on drafting with friends or want to open packs

>>53359792
Mines a bunch of board wipes, pillofort, tokens, and targeted removal.

The most unfun control you can do is stax. Remove every advantage your opponents could ever get and tax what you can't touch. Kambal is a god send and Harsh Mentor seems pretty nice. Check out what ever hate bears you think are cool. Marducheezy can do it all. Tokens, Stax, Control, Pillowfort. Just read through a bunch of hate bear/stax/pillowfort decks in all three colors and mix max and match till you have something you enjoy.

>>53360562

9 boosters from the set, a spindown with the set symbol on it, plus 20 of each land type.

Of course, that's a real fat pack, not this "We don't want to hurt feelings. :)" renamed fatpack that has the same as the above, except include 10 boosters. Those are Kaladesh and later. The Amonkhet Bundle also has all the tokens you need of all the embalm creatures and stuff, but frankly that's not that useful in EDH because most of them are just boring creatures that come back.

i just read some of mark rosewater's blog, and he really comes off as an abrasive and unlikable person. is he really, or am i reading too far into it?

>>53360703
He's definitely a little like that.

To play devil's advocate, he does have to put up with us.

>>53360703
Probably because he can't actually answer 90% of the questions people give him, so he has to keep giving evasive nonanswers

>>53360703
On the one hand, he does do some great stuff, and he does try to honestly try to interact with a difficult community. On the other hand, he's a little bit too full of himself, takes things a little bit too seriously, and doesn't like when people don't agree with him.

Jacetice League

>>53360449
I have an ultimate guard tower with the deck i intend to use the most, tokens and d20s inside it's really well made and compact. Then i also bring a gw cube of d6s and the rest of the decks i intend to use less in cheap plastic 100 card boxes wich i belive are ultimate guard too

If I use Overwhelming Stampede with an OG Omnath as my most powerful creature on the field, is X Omnath's power before paying for Stampede, or after paying for Stampede?

>>53360676
>>53360662
>>53360655
What set should I get? I know that's a broad question to ask but is there a certain set that 9-10 packs are more likely to be worth more or have better EDH cards than others?

>>53360803
after

>>53360805
>opening packs for EDH cards
Please don't do this.

And bear in mind sets that have packs that are worth more will also cost more.

>>53360044
I mean it has a lot of ways to win but those cards are nuts in a lot of decks really
>hoof
any go wide strategy
>xenagos
Atarka one-shots people with him
>blood artist
Meren or any deck abusing sac outlets
>tainted strike
fair enough but infect is regarded as dickish anyway in any shape or form

>>53360869
>infect is regarded as dickish anyway in any shape or form
Maybe in your casual shitter Timmybaby playgroup. It's no more or less powerful than any other game winning strategy.

>>53360994
in paper magic infect is somewhat on par with double strike, in EDH it's quadra strike.

which is perfect for the explosiveness of the format, honestly.

>>53360805

Never open packs to try and get specific cards. It's almost always cheaper to buy single than it is to crack a bunch of packs to try to get what you want. Literally the only reason to crack packs and potentially get your money's worth is Sealed or Drafts.

That said, buy a fatpack from a set that has stuff you want but don't expect anything and just be pleasantly surprised if you do get something you like.

>>53360994
If anything Infect is worse because you usually only kill one person with it before everyone absolutely destroys you. And if you don't one-shot someone with it, then they'll dedicate everything to ending you before you can finish them. And you pretty much have to focus on one player at a time with it. Spreading the love doesn't really work with Infect strats.

>>53361065
that's why it's considered dickish, you have to single someone out and there's very little chance of you winning anyway

>>53360805
>>53361064
this
I stopped buying sealed product a while ago because it was more money efficient to just buy individual cards

>>53361065
This

I keep a Phyresis around in my decks so I can one-shot a particular enemy Trostani Deck but in my experience, people who whine about infect are either complete scrublords or worse, people who think EDH games should be about them playing their incrementally increasing win-more strategy for 6 hours with no disruption to their intricate synergy or god forbid someone actually winning the game

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Question TG
in your deck what is the workhorse card, that one humble piece of card that never fails.
For me its this guy in my Oloro deck, i've had people burn Path to Exile on him.

>>53361148
Karametra's Acolyte.

>>53361148
If I could have Gruul Ragebeast as my commander I would

>>53361065
>>53361091
>>53361141


Also, infect means that you're attacking on a different axis than (probably) anyone else at the table. Most decks win through combat and damage. Playing infect (or any other alternate win condition like mill) means that you can't take advantage of other players' actions to eliminate opponents. If all you have is an infect creature, and an opponent is at 1 life, you can't take them out. If an opponent is at 9 poison and you're dead on board, nobody else can take them out. It's directly counter to the temporary alliances and attacks of opportunity that are the most fun part of a multiplayer format.

>>53360994
I'm of the same opinion, i was just relaying what the majority of people i see playing thinks of it

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>>53361148
I've had people prioritize killing Pristine Talisman over much more seemingly threatening cards in my Karlov deck.

>>53361148
Hateflayer and Seizan get a lot of work done for me.

>>53361392
Never had someone doing that but i do love my Pristine Talisman

>>53361381
My bad bro, thought you were agreeing with the majority

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>>53361148
This fella.

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This comes out in a few weeks. Any consensus on its value? Y'all think it will tank like Planechase?

>>53361148
Luminarch Ascension

It turned a game where I only drew into three Plains in a Queen Marchesa deck that's over 50% nonbasics into me and my angels versus my stupid playgroup.

>>53361872
I hope it drops the cost of a couple singles I guess. I wouldn't mind a couple Merens to fool around with.

>>53361872
Those spin downs look nice.

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>>53361148
*teleports behind u*
*kills ur commander*

>>53361148
Haven't gotten to play a lot of EDH in a while, but since I've added Hua Tuo to my sidisi deck it's beem overperforming. Aside from that, >>53361996 is always a blast.

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>>53359755

>7 cost general
>Stax

>>53362131
God, I can hear it.

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>>53361845
>This in Newzuri

>>53358953
I think I jokingly slammed oloro onto the table a few times back when I got my first precon, but other than that no. I have a friend who recently bought the big Atraxa to save money on the actual card.

>>53362180
>this in Grenzo, Dungeon Warden

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How do I into Angel Tribal? Would OG Avacyn be a good Commander?

>>53362507
avacyn

>>53362507

Angels have no tribal synergy, and deck you make is going to be awful. That aside, I think your best commander would actually be Jenara, for access to colors other than white. Green and blue give you ramp and draw to help power your expensive dudes out.

>>53362507
New Bruna is almost specially made for that

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>>53362605
>same post twice
>Delete post with a picture
???

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>>53361148
Love this card. It pressures everyone else to use it or lose it, has built in trample, and decks that want something to sac are always happy for it and usually end up in an amicable truce.

>>53362636
Was having posting problems.

>>53362651
I can quite clearly see that.

>In your experience does a lot of early ramp usually indicate to you who will win?
No, but my group hates early ramp and will immediately target the first person to do so

>>53361946
Luminarch Ascension is far from "humble". It deserves to be gunned down in the street any time it's close to being active. Only people with poor threat assessment would let that slip by.

>>53362507
Aurelia and Gisela are pretty good if you feel like red/white

Don't forget Herald of War.

>>53362903
An active luminarch ascension and 3 plains isn't winning any games hombre, that would be shit threat assessment on your part

>>53362943
The fact >>53361946 was apparently able to put up a fight against multiple players with just three plains and a Luminarch Ascension should speak to how strong the card is.

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happened earlier today

>4 player pod - commander tournament for fun, no entry, and 5$ store credit
>Tax deck by a guy
>rhystic study
>"are you gonna pay 1?"
>any mana tax on spells
>"did you pay the 1?"
>trinisphere, winter orb, teeg etc
>his deck has no win con
>counters important spells
>just stops the game for 10+ turns and 15 minutes
>entire time the guy is laughing and grinning
>everyone just scoops and he changes decks
>land destruction
>literally just spams land destruction and counter spells with no wincon again
>artifact ramp,
>by T6 he has destroyed all lands 3 times
>one of the players blows up at him about he is so fucking pathetic wasting our time and getting off on it when we just want to chill out and play a game
>store owner comes up and sees what the commotion is about
>tells the mad player to calm down, and bans the other player from using "griefing decks" in his tournaments
>"I understand, some players get frustrated when they can't play the game, it's called interactivity, and unfortunately MTG has a a degree of skill"~ something like that


I was just observing and about to scoop, but this was interesting.

>>53354929
Ezuri's Predation

>>53357632
>Built a budget Rakdos deck back before Khans
>Bloodstained Mire was 80~
>Rocky Tar Pit was 0,80

The choice was clear

>>53363105
i don't really get why people do this. if you're gonna make a spikey competitive deck, why not make something fast and explosive? what's fun about wasting a lot of time for everyone?

>>53363592
because le ebin trolin xD *holds spork*

>>53358395
I use both the storage lands and both mana batteries in my vorel of the hull clade deck, but that's sort of a different beast if you can abuse counters

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i get the basic idea of a zedruu deck and i've been meaning to rebuild the one i used to have for a while now, but i always run into the same roadblock when i do. every time i would play the deck, the win condition was drawing 50+ cards with labman in play. i'd like to diversify the ways the deck can win, but i'm kinda stumped. what are some fun and interesting wincons for zedruu?

>>53363691
Stax, cumulative upkeep stuff that has a negative effect when leaving play.

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>>53363691
Kill them with kindness.

>>53363732
hah, that's a good one. what about the other 2 players though? should i just hope they get each other low enough that blowing up an illusions of grandeur in one of their faces will be be lethal?

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>>53363105
>actually banning decks from a fucking tournament

Just focus on that griefing shitter or adapt.

>>53356187
Get yourself a Vizier of the Menagerie, goes infinite with ashnod and prossh. Food chain is obvious, but it'd be better if you said what was your goal.

>>53363921
food chain would probably start an arms race that i'd rather not get into
vizier is tempting
my goal is to be competitive without being bullshit
maybe I want this deck to be a 90%~ deck

>>53363981
Gemstone Array is also another way of going FC without necessarily using FC, and can avoid said arms race, given thats what you prefer. If, no, when you decide to take a dip in this marvelous world of comboing (C'mon its a multiplayer format, removal exists, and prossh is really bad at protecting FC, unlike animar and the like) get Genesis Hydra. And also another note, get more regrowth effects like eternal witness, or meren as repeatable recursion, she is a huge powerhouse in the deck.

>>53356187
I suggest you add Pyroblast and REB.

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>mfw actually pulling off a LabMan win
>mfw watching my group get exceptionally mad as a result

>>53363746
I don't know how much Turn Creatures Sideways you have in your group, but donating a lethal Delaying Shield to someone who can't pay white mana is a personal favorite

>>53364033
mere and eternal witness would be good considerations
i really dont like combofagging
>>53364062
not enough blue in my group

>>53364065
Nice.

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>>53364065
Is this bait? Labman isn't a very hard wincon, why would your group get mad?

>>53363746
Assault Suit plus Steel Golem or what have you is pretty fun.

>>53364649
already in there. i mean real win condition, like the actual finisher.

>>53351700
I play degenerate decks. It's fun because I can't do that in any other format and get away with it.

>>53364671
Insurrection? Time for them to pay back what they owe.

Is having Curiosity and Ophidian Eye in your Niv Mizzet deck a dick move?

>>53364684
What is your definition of degenerate?
I do not like it when decks are absurdly hard to interact with so I consider a deck like affinity in modern degenerate, why can't you play that?

>going through cards, find extra Spine of Ish Sah
Yes, this pleases Kataki.

>>53364714
i'd say not. by the time you get one of them you'll have ~70 cards left in your deck, you probably won't be able to outright kill all of your opponents instantly unless you include elixir of immortality.

>>53364733
Of all the cards, this is the card that my playgroup fears the most because of the things I've done with it in my Daretti deck.

>>53364513
Slow fetches are a good pick for ya (you do have DRS in the deck) and the KTK fetches are still affordable. Avoid panoramas.

>>53364513
Hull breach is pretty good, and Decimate is awesome.

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Any pic related players in here? Any general tips for deck building or during a game?

>>53364820
Scrap Savant so good.

>>53364839
Decimate always gets a big response when it's played. I think once my friend conspired it with a Wort.

>>53364896
Board wipes followed by fatties. Don't even need the board wipes if your opponents aren't fast enough.

>>53364896
Don't run land destruction
Don't run eldrazi
Don't be a faggot

All set.

>>53364896
take so many turns in a row your opponents scoop from boredom

>>53351761
Deck name: Now that's what I call Thirst Vol. 1

>>53364933
> Don't run cards good with your commander
In this case, what would you even do? suspend a lightning bolt?

>>53365066
pick a different commander

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>>53365066
>suspend a lightning bolt?
If it's good enough for legacy, it's good enough for EDH!

>>53365080
this, Jhoira is a trap
and not even a gay one

>>53360352
There's already special level in modo packs for P9

>>53360373
Basically how many times it appeared on an uncut sheet of cards.

>>53360497
What about one of those huge giftboxes?

>>53364933
>Whaaa stop running good cards

>>53365433
It's not even about that. Just come up with something fucking even slightly unique in some way. Fucking stop googling "gay edh decks" and just copy pasting it.

>>53365484
It's a game, not a fucking painting. Chill out, Picasso.

So is Alesha pretty much "Redcap+Anafenza", "Mirror-Breaker+Any of like eight different cards", "Alesha+Master of Cruelties"?

Is it pretty much all combo wins most of the time?

>>53365666
Forgot about that damn vindicate sliver too.

>>53364933
>stop using cards i dont like

nice autism m8

>>53365484
I bet this is coming from a guy that has never had an original deck idea in his life.

Brotip: even if you haven't seen some shit before, doesn't mean that someone else hasn't already made it. Shit, somebody probably already used your fucking idea while the cards were being playtested, before they even had proper names yet. It's a children's card game, this shit ain't hard. Hundreds of motherfuckers have already had every thought you're going to have on deck construction, and if they didn't build it it's because it's a shittier idea than what they went with.

>>53365666
Alesha can't run Anafenza.

>>53366062
White Anafenza, anon.

>>53366076
I keep forgetting she exists.

>>53366076
Time travel's fucking confusing.

Gayest Commander ever?

>>53366221
Gay Kings.

>>53366107

The only confusing thing about the time travel in the Tarkir block is how come there wasn't an alternate Sarkhan, or atleast Sarkhan becoming merged with his alternate self. It's just weird for every other one of the big name characters to be born in both Timelines, but somehow Sarkhan is just erased from history in a way that makes him pop out of nowhere.

>>53366221
Any elf tribal.

>>53361872
IIRC its MSRP is more than the combined value of the decks, of which will likely only drop more on release. Looks like its purely a showcase item. Some odd choices for the decks too.

>>53363691
I run three different win conditions in my grouping deck

1. Labman
2. Aetherflux reservoir
3. Capsize with grandure.

All still play and build towards the same way I find, and still just aim to be player 2 left to perform the kill.

>>53366266
Maybe he did get low key merged with new timeline Sarkhan, and that explains why he is now part blue. Or new timeline Sarkhan was eaten by a Dragon.

>>53366652
Sort of new to commander and I want to make a Queen Marchessa deck but a lot of the decks I see seem to be running mass token generation, which I'm honestly not big on.

What's the best way to go around building a deck for her that's not all about tokens?

>>53366652
Sorry mate, did not mean to reply to you at all here >>53366741

>>53366266
>Dragons now ruled the plane thanks to the actions taken in the past, with the old clans abolished and the very word "khan" banned.

So maybe there's a Sarkhan but he's more of a Sardaniel or something.

>>53366919
>Sardaniel
Headcanon accepted

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Anyone got any spicy tech for pic related?

Already running Delaying Shield and Island Sanctuary

>>53366982
Could go the old "Pariah attached to an indestructible creature" route.

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>>53366982
Thanks to the Monarchy, you'll be able to discard for it regularly.

>>53354339
unblockable trinket mage is OP
pls ban

How can I play control without being hated?

>>53368032
Don't, put some controlin your deck but don't make it your whole strategy, instead if your whole deck just put 15 cards

>>53361065
Triumph of the hordes is a perfect blowout finisher to one shot everybody with decently large creatures.

I use one in my vorel deck without any other infect cards to one shot everyone, it's a little hard to deal with when you have 80/80 infect flying tramplers

>>53368100
But I wanna play control.

>>53368127
Then be hated.

>>53366266
Sarkhan was wholesale ejected from Tarkir's timeline, some kind of failsafe system the multiverse apparently has to prevent time travel paradoxes from destroying it. So far as Tarkir is concerned there's no alternate version of him because he doesn't exist.

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>>53368032
>wanting to play control but not wanting to be hated

>>53368163
At least I'm not playing discard?

>>53368124
At that point it's less of an infect deck and more of an aggro finisher.

>>53368032
People hate playing against control. You just have to accept this if you truly want to go full control. The best you can hope for is to play a tax deck that doesn't keep people from playing but gains incremental advantage over time.

>>53368189
Discard would probably be better received because at least you can do things with cards in your grave with many decks and discard decks don't usually do too well.

>>53368144
Maybe the planeswalker spark is so potent that it remains unique even in the event of a paradox?

>>53368032
The only way to play control without being hated is being a huggy "police" deck. Zedruu is the only commander that I've seen pull this off.

Your hugs consist of playing global draw effects, to be on friendly terms with everybody. But you do things like,
>countermagic, to stop the combo players from winning out of no where
>rude donates, like Grid Monitor, to shut down oppressive creature based decks
>things that shut off scary things, such as Torpor Orb

Notably, you don't do things which globally make the gamer harder to play, you want to play silver bullet cards that can shut down certain players as they are becoming oppressive.

Meanwhile your ultimate goal is to stick a Dream Halls, loaded up with a huge draw spell, Recurring Insight, Forced Fruition(Donate it), Enter the Infinte. Then storm off with Aetherflux Reservoir (copied with Clever Imperstonator, and Phyrexian Metamorph), hitting everybody for lethal, with your entire deck on the board.

>>53368032
Play control with single target effects, not symmetrical boardwide ones, and use these to police "dangerous players" around to the joy of the rest of the board. When people say they hate control they generally mean Winter Orb rather than Counterspell.

>>53365821
You can still do better than choose the third most deadbeat, run of the mill deck idea behind atraxa superfriends and meren reanimator.
>original deck idea
Is Reyhan/Tymna kormus bell combo original enough?

>>53368645
I would say if you can say "combo" and name only one piece, it's not very original.

How are situations in which more than one player is capable of infinite comboing at the same time handled?

>>53368696
What do you mean? Wouldn't you just play it out and see who wins that way? I'd assume whoever has priority and whose opponent doesn't have countermagic would win.

>>53368696
By playing the game, obviously. Only ONE player can ever do something at any given time. In multiplayer, one passes priority to the person who is in the turn order next to them. Follow the priority rules carefully and see who combos off first.

>>53368790
I assume a situation like infinte loop through, for example Blood Artist, Boonweaver, Gift of Immortality and a sac outlet.
A smarter player would win in that situation, as first player who tries to initiate the loop would lose, since the other can respond to any of the Boonweaver or the aura triggers with a combo, unless they have instant speed removal

>>53368696
Completely unique to the situation, but in general it would probably boil down to, If one of the people has a combo that can be executed at instant speed, and the other is sorcery speed, the instant speed combo wins.

>One person is playing Food Chain Prossh, and has Food Chain and can start making infinte mana. Another person has Necrotic Ooze, with Devoted Druid, Morselhorder, and Spikeshot Elder in the graveyard. Prossh needs to cast their general every time to generate mana, at any point, the Necro Ooze player can instantly kill the table, without interaction.

If one person needs to have a portion of the combo resolve to perpetuate the combo, and the other doesn't, or the other is able to respond to the thing that starts the combo and isn't interupted they win.

>Player has Kiki + Conscripts, another has Palincron + DEN. Whoever starts the combo first, in response the other can start their combo and resolve it before the other player and get their win.

If both players have instant speed combos that can be done through multiple interactions I would call the game a tie.

>Both have the previously mentioned Necrotic Ooze situation. They can infinitely kill each other in response to all of Elder activations. The game lasts forever with an infinitely large stack. Game draw.

>>53368645
What do you mean by "do better"
Do you mean make an original deck? Because we just established no decks are original.

No, you meant less popular. If a bunch of people made the same deck you did would you tear yours apart? If you answered "yes" you are a speshul snowflake hipster who let's what you like be determined by others.

If you answered "no", then stop being a goddamn hypocrite.

>>53369377
But some decks are OC donut steel, if they have an underused gimmick or pet cards, since no decks are a carbon copy if that's the case.
Carbon copies exists only with tryhard spikes and netdeckers and that is optimization or lack of creativity.

>>53369475
Read the post chain. Not talking about carbon copies, in this context unoriginal means something like a jhoria deck with eldrazi or other big fatties. The point was that someone has likely thought of the same shit you have to put in any deck before. The stuff isnt hard to figure out. It's likely a playtester saw an interaction you did before the card even had artwork.

>>53369377
Theres literally nothing wrong with being a hipster

>>53369622
Yeah, but there's literally no other effective way to build her. Sure, you can do Storm, but all rituals resolve on upkeep, not to mention you'f lose black

>>53369681
... Read the post chain bro, I am defending that you should be able to build her however you want.

>>53369674
Says you

>>53369681
Then build a different commander? Some commanders only lend themselves to being built in one particular way. Someone says that they're playing Jhoira, Nekusaur, Rafiq, or Purphoros, you know exactly what kind of deck they're playing.

Someone says they are playing Nicol Bolas, Asura or Anafenza, you have not more than a vague idea what their gameplan is going to be.

>>53351700
Playing powerful/obscure cards and combining them to interesting ends

>>53368032
play with mature adults

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http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/big-guys-for-you-2/
R8

>>53369710
>tfw I play Rafiq, but focus on combat damage triggers instead of doing voltron
I just love Gemini Engine, so much so, that I'll attack with him rather than with Rafiq. Rafiq is there as an anthem effect rather than a wincon

Does anyone play the MTGO leagues? I had a look through the winning lists and they all seem so dull, just U/x control or green ramp aside from a few outliers. Is the format actually fun or should I stay far away from it? I like reanimator and artifact based decks but I don't know if they would be able to compete without just being blue control shells with a few slots dedicated to the strategy I want.

>>53370141
There are bans coming down the pipeline, early May I believe. So hold off until then at least.

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if you could make any nonlegendary creature your commander, which would it be and why?

>>53370586
You just need to play Patron of the Moon, with Hedron Crab/Altar of the Brood your primary win conditions!

>>53360756
It amuses me that he's angry because wotc's ploy to cash in on the superhero market was so quickly exposed. "Im mad because "Jacetice League" is not the actual name of the group, could you guys please use their real name?"

Yeah, you're not mad because of the obvious parallel between them and superheroes, right?

I need a good commander that involves discarding cards. I was going to play hazoret but I really want black

>>53371023
Malfegor

>>53371058
lifehack: don't do this

i want to make a sen triplets decks with a focus on stealing peoples shit. aside from obvious stuff like memnarch what should i put in this deck

>>53371023
play olivia. the new one. or neheb if you're okay with minotaur tribal.

>>53371086
Don't you mean shapeshfter tribal?

>>53371104
some of the theros minotaurs are worth playing

>>53371058
But now he has a lot of self-discard support and more madness cards to work with.

>>53371086
Neheb and Olivia are good choices. Both can be done without necessarily being tribal decks.

>>53371127
plus olivia can actually turn non-tribal cards into vampires so you can get more use out of lords. with olivia and vampire nocturnus, your wurmcoil engine can be a 9/8 with flying

>>53369622
>>53369377
>>53365821
Lmao, this guy's favorite deck is clearly his copy pasted Jhoira Eldrazi Land Destruction deck! HOW SAD

>>53371181
come on now, we were past this. let it die.

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>>53370586

>>53371204
It's just pathetic to be so defensive about shit like that. If you have something worth being defensive about try changing it rather than flinging shit at the people who call it out.

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>>53370586
Tamobarbs keeps drawing me back to non-EDH casual with its life-gaining group-slug ways, when everything my opponents do results in damage somewhere. I really wish I could build it in EDH but alas, the incarnation of the worldspell was apparently one of many.

>>53371351
if tamanoa was legendary aetherflux reservoir would be ridiculously strong in that deck.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/20-05-17-olivia-tribal/

Somebody please tell me this isn't 100% garbage for the ~30$ I paid for most of the cards.

why are all the ajani planeswalker cards so fucking expensive?

>>53371389
>play Aetherflux
>play Tamanoa
>play 3 cantrips
>win

>>53371417
My Trostani deck has every Ajani planeswalker except the W/R one
My playgroup calls it Ajani Tribal

>>53371417
Furries.

>>53371417
Furries

>>53371445
>>53371449
Nice

>>53371314
Nah, don't play jhoria. I am super annoyed by hypocrisy though, and it seemed easy to prove that shit was retarded.

Funny enough I have yet to see a Jhoria deck in person, and I have a fairly large playgroup with a bunch of decks, ranging from skeleton ship -1/-1 tribal and monoblack Oloro, to foodchain prosh and doomsday zur.

>>53371389
I would gladly play it without Aetherflux to play the deck, but that's neither here nor there because not legendary.

>>53371466
>Funny enough I have yet to see a Jhoria deck in person
probably because every time someone mentions jhoria autists sperg out about MLD and eldrazi

>>53371494
jhoira is a pretty good budget commander. i helped a friend of mine who doesn't have a lot of cards build a jhoira EDH deck as his entry to the format.

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>>53370586

Because fuck blue

>>53371535
ya and you can totally do that but for every non autist there are a million other autists out there that will sperg out about it. its funny cause those are usually the people who play 2 card infinite combos aor shit like atraxa super friends. all it comes down to is people being mad because you want to play in a way they dont like which goes against the spirit of EDH

build whatever the fuck you want and dont give a shit about what other people play. if your play group is literally willing to kick you out cause you play a deck (and i mean be reasonable, dont play the hated deck every time. change it up every few games) then you are probably better off without them in another less autistic play group

>>53371552
dragonlord dromoka would be pretty neat in GR

>>53347463
>In your experience does a lot of early ramp usually indicate to you who will win?
depends on the deck but in most cases I would say yes.
my elf deck tends to run out of gas pretty fast despite selvala (g/w) being able to draw me cards so elfballing into a turn 3 toxic deluge does not always mean im going to win

>>53349357
>What supplies do you consider to be essential?
I would say a playmat, sleeves, a container for your deck and a dicebag

I used to never use a playmat but having one really lets you claim a reasonable space on the table so you can actually read your cards and so people do not encroach as often

>>53356174
>your lgs doenst gas degenerates on the spot
i feel bad for you son

>>53358953
I saw someone crop the oversized card down to just the art and it was about standard card size with the p/t at the bottom and everything
literally the only time I saw them used

>>53359769
>How important is the expansion symbol and rarity color?
its explaining information on the card in case you get it confused with relevant information

>>53347463
>In your experience does a lot of early ramp usually indicate to you who will win?
in my play group if you dont drop creatures in the first 4 turns you are probably dead or so close to dead you cant use your ramped mana to do anything offensively. early ramp is way too over valued in most groups ive seen

>>53360338
>>53360256
>>53360382
According to MaRo it works on mythic rates and rates, but not timeshifted cards or Masterpieces

>>53363105
MLD and tax decks are my favorite but at least I have win conditions
if you grind it out you will win against the no wincon decks for sure people have an unreasonable expectation that everyone will be playing on the same axis as them

Why is fun EDH so frowned upon by overweight antisocial over compensating nerds?

>>53364065
>>mfw doing one of the easiest things in magic, something so common that over 50% of competitive decks run a labman wincon

>>53364933
>run land destruction
>run eldrazi
>Don't listen to this faggot

>>53368032
>playing non-stax control with 3 oppenents
>players getting salty
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>>53372150
>fun EDH
because fun is subjective
and lots of people dont want to hear people complain that you countered their six drop on turn 6 after playing land and passing for the first 5 turns of the game
you can get away with playing some really off the wall stuff in commander but you also have to realize you have opponents that will try to stop you and that you have to try to stop.

Post a fun commander I haven't heard of

>>53372486
You'll have to tell us who you've heard of first

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>>53372486