Warhammer 40k General /40kg/

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first for kunnin

GIMME SOME GOOD AUDIODRAMAS

As in not just a guy reading a book, I want actors, music, sound effects all that good shit.

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8th got me like picture related

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>>53289055
FOURTH FOR LOOTIN

>>53289079
Toby Longworth can do a really good one man full cast of various characters, often more easy to follow than when you get 2 or 3 people in an audiodrama

>>53289079
BBC's Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

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Does Necoho exist in the 40k universe and can I make a CSM warband of fedora wearing hypocrites that "worship" him?

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>>53289055
>>53289123
Remember gitz, Orkz iz da biggest an' da best!

>wyches only have a 4++ in the fight phase again
>literally have the same weakness to overwatch except flamers are even more deadly
>only buff is that they can MAYBE prevent a unit from leaving combat

I like how the Tau and Eldar faction focus make them seem fucking even more amazing then they are now but the others have only seemed to preserve the status quo, especially the DEldar one today and any promises of buffs are really vague like "it'll be really scary!".

>>53289337
>eldar are really good and will keep being good
>look at how tau still ignore all these rules without fail!
>dark eldar... Um... They're totally great! Look, they even get the only random chance ability we've revealed so far! It's so unreliable your wyches MIGHT not die! Well, that's IF they get that far because they still die to overwatch since they only get a 4++ in the fight phase, but man, they're certainly better than before!

>>53289269
When are charges resolved anyway?
Movement, shooting or fight phase?

>>53289269
Nuh-uh, they get AP -1 on their 1-in-10 special weapons as well.

>>53289352
You'd think that if they actually play-tested this stuff and looked at statistics they would have realized which units are never used and why.

>>53289269
You can't overwatch if a unit is too close now right?

There is that

>>53289322
>Chenkov leads from the front
Is why he's dead now.

Im surprised that no one is losing their shit now that ASSAULT FROM DEEP STRIKE IS IN! T'AU GUNLINES ARE BACK IN THE MENU!

>>53289358
Turn order is
Move -> Psychic -> Shoot -> Charge -> Fight (With chargers fighting first)

>>53289352
This, its like theyve completely ignored the issues everyone went on about, even after all that community feedback spiel

>>53289358
Fight phase but I could be wrong.

My mine grip with the Melee is that they kept all 3. Random range, overwatch and easy to leave combat.
You can have one, two tops but not all 3 the 2d6" + 1" helps very little when the other two options exist

>>53289358
Fight. Same as current system

>>53289358
In the charge phase, which is before fight phase.

>>53289358
charge fase

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Rate my homemade titan

>>53289384
Because you have something like a 40% chance to make that charge successfully. Need to roll a 9 on 2d6.

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If I were a Chaos Marinelet I think I would just kill myself rather than face a Chad Marine in combat.

>>53289412
Younique, kinda looks like a mini version of the one in my local store though.

>>53289384
>9" minimum distance from enemy
>no movement after DS
>2d6 charge
>even with 1"+ range you need a natural 9 result for it to work

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>>53289412
Radical/10

>>53289394
I feel like they needed to just remove Over watch, or at least shift it so its against anything that comes in from reserves only.

Then it provides a defense against deep striking in general, but for charges the defense of shooting units is being able to fall back and planning your defensive lines around that fact.

>>53289412
Perfect for MWG tournies.

>>53289394
Well, it's no fun to play against a melee army if you can call the game by the time their first unit charges in.

>>53289269

>10ppm units that can assault out of categorically more durable transports should have greater durability against ranged fire
>Wyches aren't 17% more deadly against all unit types due to how rend works

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8th edition on /tg/ be like :

>>53289021

Has anyone been able to get a chapterhouse storm Raven kit in the past year? I really want one but I'm not even sure if they're still in business at this point

>>53289337
The bit where they presented the Incubi klaive as something amazing when it has basically the same stats as before was especially nice.

Literally the only thing about the new edition that seems good so far is that the three points costs we've seen seem to be reasonably balanced against each other. But given that they are all from the same unit, that isn't saying much.

>Dark Eldar players are still bitching

Surprise surprise.

>>53289384
>Placed more than 9" away.
>only 10/36 combinations of a 2d6 roll gives you 9"+
>As 9.0001"-1" = 8.0001" remaining, which needs a 9" charge
>Unlimited Overwatch
>Unlimited Supporting Fire Overwatch.
>b-but a 27% chance from Deep Strike totally wrecks Tau

I mean maybe other units can get closer, but it's not gamebreaking, when compared to the Overwatch buffs. (That Tau capitalize on due to Supporting Fire)

>>53289463
based slaanesh working the marks

hopefully they remove poison from DE. playing against DE as Tyranids is just stupid.

>>53289481
You should know by now that there would be bitching even if GW released the plastic sisters.

>>53289441

They should have made it require CPs to use

>>53289447
Unlike shooting?

>>53289352
>Look, they even get the only random chance ability we've revealed so far
Seriously why the fuck is it not a flat out "You cannot escape combat with these assholes"

Why does it need to be a diceroll? Hell make it a diceroll to leave combat normally.

Give it a simple initiative modifier for the roll, higher initiative than what your fighting? Easier to get away.

>>53289507
Except there is no Initiative stat to use for that anymore.

That being said, I agree with you in general.

It seems the more medicore the faction is now the more bland and ambiguous their Faction focus is. Like is the Nid one going to be something along the line of, "Nids will be able to do things!" And the Ork one will just be, "Orks are in fact a playable race!"

>>53289481
>Remember this unit who was frail as shit and died to overwatch?
>We buffed it slightly

>gw be like "orks are super strong now!"
>move extra d6" on waaagh

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>>53289463
N-nani?!
He's fast!

>>53289485
It's 52% if you use the reroll on a failed assault.

>>53289441
I think if they changed it to over watch only occurring against units coming from the opposite direction in which the unit being charged moved or shot in their previous turn.

So if a unit shot in the same direction that they're being charged from last turn. Or if they moved towards the direction that they're getting charged from but didn't shoot, then they can over watch, if they are charged from the sides or from behind, then it represents the unit being ambushed and they don't get to over watch or at the very most only get to over watch with pistol weapons.

That would make breaking into someone's back field and assaulting units from behind rewarding, but still dangerous since units can willingly disengage.

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Wanted to get into 40k this year after looking at the bobby over 2016. 8th edition just around the corner but I live the aesthetic of Blood Angels and I also like the idea of Emperor's Children.

How fucked am I?

>>53289422
You only need an 8 because you get +1, but yea.
>hormagaunt moves 8in forward
>charges enemy unit
>rolls a 3 and trips over own feet
>still dies to overwatch

>>53289454
>gets out of transport
>eats overwatch with no save
>still fails to wound anything
>cant even reliably keep units engaged

>>53289480
Seriously. They said nothing new about Incubi. The only good thing from the article was the raider weapons and the fact that they don't get -1 for moving.

>>53289481
>t T'"'a'u

>>53289493
DE confirmed for having poison

>>53289447
>one unit makes charge
>possibly kills some stuff
GUYS ITS OVER, I FORFEIT, NO CHANCE!

Does anyone have Z email address?
Need me some cheap ass resin.

>>53289494
As long they make them within SoS thin and Celestine THICC I'm ok.

Just make New Celestine like models and I'm happy regardless of what I think about the model itself it works good enough

>>53289507
>Hell make it a diceroll to leave combat normally.

But Anon, that nerfs Tau, didn't you see their faction focus they need to be able to not only automatically escape CC, but with no penalty due to how bad Tau are.

>>53289530
>we know you all love the flavour that instinctive behaviour adds to the army, so don't worry, it's still in!
>one rule players have been telling us is missing from 40k is animosity, so now orks have a new special rule to represent this properly!

>>53289567
Hey GW, if I give you it will you buff Tyranids?

>>53289528
Right I keep blanking on that.

You could make it WS+Leadership check I guess.

>>53289567

Lots of people do. I'm thinking about placing another order myself

>>53289530
I hope this isn't the case but I still laughed.
>>53289562
>>53289506
Fair enough, I have traumas from running Sisters against a boyz horde.

>>53289269
>he really thinks these are the only buffs
>dark eldar are the FAVORITE ARMY of the guy playtesting them and he says wyches are one of the top 3 units in the entire game in terms of how much they've improved between last edition and now
There's a whole ton of shit he clearly didn't share with us. These preview articles are very, very light puff pieces

hyped for <HIVE FLEET>

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>>53289463
>8th got me like

I'm in it! :3

>>53289553
>More than 9" isn't the same as 9"
>9.001" - 8" = 1.001" oooppps you failed your charge.

>>53289454
This. They're cheap and fast specialist melee units. If you're directly charging gunlines with them, you deserve what's coming to you

>>53289562
Game over man! Game over!

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Does that look acceptable for a rough rider Sgt? Got a bunch of 3rd Mongols for the rest of the unit.

>>53289468
They said they're still in business but they may be pretty backlogged.

>>53289269
>Wow you know how Orks get a bonus in the first round of combat?
>Well now the things they can charge can fuck off after being hit once and you get to charge them again!!!!

>>53289423
Well considering that the latest Chaos marine kit that got updated (Rubrics) are already the same size as the new marines, I think it's safe to assume that when regular chaos dudes get updated they'll also be upscaled.

>My headcanon for the new marines is that Cawl hasn't actually improved them in any way
>They just seem superior and bigger compared to 'regular' marines because they were created using the exact same methods the Emperor used for the first batch of marines created on Terra, rather than the bastardised and supersitcious methods used in modern 40k (I mean some chapters just put geneseed and a black carapace in a dude and then call him a marine ...)
>So the 'new' marines aren't actually improved or anything, but just what was standard during the Great Crusade's Legions, and put in stasis for 10k years
>Cawl is hiding this fact from Rawbooty and terrified he will find out
>Meanwhile RG isn't entirely himself with his ressurection and all that, and thought that modern marines looking smaller was just the result of him not being able to remember everything properly.

Should I apply for lore writer at GW ?

>>53289269
Honestly if Wyches stay the same PPM and they can assault out of a Venom or Raider I feel like these buffs actually make them worth using, if not the most powerful.
The main point with them was always as the ultimate tarpit anyway. If you wanted to wipe something on the charge you'd run incubi.

>>53289507
We don't know if wyches can get upgrades that modify the escape dice rolls

>>53289639
Too bad there's no facing in 40k so you're always charging them head on!

If one more faggot fails to properly read the deep strike rules I'm gonna flip out.

You need to roll a 9 for the charge. Not an 8. The extra inch doesn't matter because you start MORE THAN 9 inches away.

MORE THAN
O
R
E

T
H
A
N

you stupid illiterate fucks.

more-than-9" --> roll an 8 for charge --> more-than-1" away, as in, not 1" away, not engaged in combat

You fucking morons.

>>53289481
Almost as whiny as Chaos "Muh squat" Slaaneshis

>>53289567
Fuck off lazy cunt find it yourself. Google yoyhammer.

>>53289553
hopefully poison is reworked then. it's ridiculous how unfair DE are at the moment against Tyranids

>>53289543
Artfully done.

>>53289422
28%

WHAT'S A GOOD HQ FOR A SMALL TAU FORCE?

>>53289670
It would make sense for the shardnet to do that. We'll see, I guess.

>>53289637
>tfw the majority of people don't understand this
>tfw humanity fails at basic math

>>53289614
Indeed, the whole
<SEPT> <CHAPTER> thing looks very promising, too bad we just had a Xeno article, means it'll be a while until we see if there'll be if there'll be a <DYNASTY> <KLAN>, <CRAFTWORLD> affiliation too.

>>53289661
If the numarines do anything but fuck off and form the first big renegade chapter I will count the lore as a giant disaster

>>53289696
LITERALLY ANYTHING

>>53289685
Poison now wounds everything on a 4+
ESPECIALLY vehicles

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>>53289589
>>53289602

Cmon guys, I'm not gonna pay for FW scam prices and CCON doesn't have enough DKOK stuffs

>>53289696
The KYS77 Suit

>>53289704
There will be. Every Faction is getting one.

>>53289661
no cause you wrote a memeshit plot
try aos, they'll be happy to have you there

>>53289551
>Blood Angels
If worse comes to worse and their special rules suck you can just use the vanilla marine stats. You'll be fine.

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FUKKEN YES YES YES YEEEESSSSS

>>53289659
would be interesting if there is a mechanic where if the enemy force largely outnumbers you, it's impossible to withdraw. Would make hordes that much more scary

>>53289717
>>53289709
These men are lying to you. The Farseer is a cheap and point-efficient choice as hq.

>>53289717
This made me laugh way harder than it should have.

>>53289498
Only hits on 6's, only from the unit you declare charge against. Oh and tau can't raise their BS any more in overwatch just reroll ones.

>>53289684
Can't find anything there, just threads where people beg for it just like me.

>>53289719
Question is whether it'll matter for non-marines of just be useless ornamentation.

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>>53289677

>>53289612
Wyches are currently the 3rd worst unit in the game behind Hellions and Pyrovores. It's not hard for them to be "one of the top 3 improved units" because they would have to actively try to make them worse. Instead, they are the epitome of mediocrity. That can't kill or even tarpit without a random chance.

>>53289668

They're still shit and infinitely worse than gun boats in effectiveness. Raiders are more durable, which means the dudes inside are more safe, especially with the removal of templates. Meanwhile, wyches have to eat even more overwatch and pray that they roll higher than their opponent. In fact, they still can't wound anything in combat and with T3 and a 4+ will likely lose combat harder than the units they want to keep there.

Wyches still suffer from the exact same problems.

>>53289739
Obviously not, use a Big Mek with a Forcefield instead.

>>53289551
>BA and EC

You seem like a pretty fab guy

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Is 8th looking like another edition that favors ranged over melee?

>>53289731
>70% of the range goes Last Chance To Buy one week before the launch of 8th

>>53289731

slowpoke.jpg
this isn't news you idiot

>>53289704
i don't care if i get +1" synapse for leviathan or other little stuff - as long as i get a little bonus

>>53289610
>Fair enough, I have traumas from running Sisters against a boyz horde.
What, you didn't use flamers to save your sisters from the greenskin horde?

>>53289679
>Almost as whiny as Chaos "Muh squat" Slaaneshis
Almost as annoying as the gitz who keep chanting "Slaanesh will be squatted" despite zero evidence to back this up outside of a facebook comment. No, the transfer from WHFB to AoS doesn't count either.

>>53289731
>ALL OF THEIR CURRENT WARHAMS MODELS AT THE LAUNCH OF NEW EDITION
>ALL OF THE MODELS

A lot of people are about to go broke buying stuff off Forge world I think...

>>53289637
If you're wanting to measure .001", it must be hard with all the Cheeto dust on the table

>>53289769
>>53289739
>>53289696
God damn it, ETHRENAL*

>>53289731
Doesn't say free rules though...
Nor thoroughly rebalanced.

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>>53289776
>another
you mean the 8th in a row?

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https://youtu.be/CZEXEZnM8kU
Fallen characters confirmed?

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>>53289551
Emperor's Children call you brother.

Sing the Song of Slaanesh with us!

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Still trying to find Shattered Legions as an audio book. Anyone have it that can dump it?

>>53289802
Nah take a naked 25 pts inquisitor

>>53289762
If it was useless it wouldn't be an option to pick from in the rules. That makes literally zero sense.

>>53289768
>they still can't wound anything in combat
So you are one of those guys that think if you don't wound on a 3+ or better, it's worthless?
I feel better than have real tournyfags playtesting this, you'd powercreep like a motherfucker.

>>53289784
Well its now confirmed. And saved. And I'm going to paste it to every /40kg/ to spread the word.
>>53289803
Well they cant do it in any other way than free PDFs on their site. Reprinting 12+ books is just not possible for firm as small as FW.

>>53289543
The true OP pic. Keep doing god's work anon

>>53289731
>literally one of the first things that was confirmed thanks to the faq
you're a retard

>>53289808
the song of shit resin sonic weapons

>>53289808
THIS QUIET OFFENDS SLAANESH!!
THINGS SHALL GET LOUD NOW!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N-FqHvr7OY

>>53289804
Newfag never played 3rd, clearly.

>>53289776
It's hard to say until we actually get to play it.
At least you can drag in nearby units if you want.
>>53289798
What he means is, if you can somehow magically make the 8" charge, you cheated on your Deepstriking deployment.
>>53289788
My flamers always died to sluggas or big shootas.
Mind you I was also running a shitty list.

>>53289798
it literally doesn't matter
if you place your units and then charge and roll a 8 and then place your units in cc you're cheating

>>53289806
>ONE COAT WILL BE FINE

THE DUNCAN HERESY IS UPON US

>>53289839
It was already confirmed, you retards just can't fucking read.

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>>53289846

>>53289831
>assault Marines
>get 15 hits
>6 of those at +1 rend
>7 wounds and 3 -1 rend
>23 Marines die
>4 wyches die on the back swing and lose more to battle shock

>>53289760
Well I guess you are just shit at the internet then.

>>53289839
Well its now confirmed. And saved. And I'm going to paste it to every /40kg/ to spread the word.
holy shit are you an actual fucking retard? it was confirmed in the faq that came with the announcement of 8th
how is it you can even read ?

>>53289788
That's exactly what I was saying about Slaanesh people, anon.
>tfw they don't just ask GW if their precious degenerate god will be squatted so they can fucking stop crying

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>>53289806
>>53289857
Dunkie has a dark side.

>Punished Duncan: a painter denied his Agrax

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>>53289731
Welp, time to find a suitable large plastic beastie.

Any ideas on potential base critters?

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>>53289846
>tfw no slaaneshi party favours on tick

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I WANT THE NEW STARTER SET NOW

>>53289846
Man that's fucking weak, I hear more slaaneshi shit on oldie-goldies radio.

>>53289948
a stone nigger?

>>53289943
I would be fine with just pictures.

>>53289531
'gave you a chance to avoid the nerf half the time' is not the same as a buff.

>>53289857
DEATH TO THE FALSE DUNCAN

Rule question here: If Abaddon is inside a building or vehicle, does his preferred enemy bubble increase in size or does it only work for units in the same building/vehicle?

>>53289943
Oh man the bitching and moaning from loyalist players the day they get the starter set and realize the new plague marines are EVEN BIGGERER than their new bigguy primaris marines is going to be amazing.

>>53289943
That's what you think. The Death Guard are as big as the Primaris marines.

>>53289021
Has anybody gotten the DoW comic yet?

It is odd that No Escape! isn't guaranteed when Tau abilities to shoot after falling back are. Ah, well.

>>53289612
>wyches are a 4
>the rest of the game is a 9
>wyches double to 8
>the rest of the game goes to 11
>wyches were one of the most increased units!

>>53289962
They're slightly bigger, even.

>>53289677
It will read "at least 9 inches away" in the rules when they are released. screencap this

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>>53289553
>>53289553
>t T'"'a'u
You can try to redirect the cheetah shame all you like, but you seriously ain't hurtin nobody with this shit.

Outside of nids and crons, T'au have had the least malign trademark-related name change, and that's only because I don't know that nids or necs are even getting a name change. IG and Space Marines got a more significant name change.

T'au has been the name of the Tau homeworld since the faction's introduction back in 3rd. Changing it from Tau to T'au not even a fucking issue it's still pronounced the same way, naming the Empire after the homeworld's formal name kinda makes fuckin sense (and that's why most people like Tau over the rest of the batshit factions anyway), not to mention the fact that the internet barely bothers with sentence-ending punctuation, let alone a fucking useless apostrophe.

I don't think anyone over on ATT even bat an eyelash at T'au. All it really does when you do shit like this is shine a light on just how much more fucked Aeldari and Drunkharry are.

>>53289798
Actually it's pretty easy. Assuming all Deep Strikes work the same AND my opponent attempted to get as close as he possibly can (9.0000000000... ...0001") the minimum charge is 9"
>They deep strike and attempt a charge.
They roll an 8 or less. They fail. The end.

No measuring needed. Anything less than 9" and they fail. It's basic math.

>>53289960
According to the last FAQ if you're in a transport you are officially outside of the game so no AoE buffs from transports and that would include fortifications with transport capacity.

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>>53289850
Or 4th, for that matter. Back when Ork choppas could limit EVERYONE to 4+ saves, regardless of their armor. Fun times, that.
>Nice armor ya got their Beakee
>Now roll 4+ to save.
>I don't care if dat's Terminator armor ya got, ya save iz 4+ now. Mistah Choppa 'ere said so!

>>53289412

Would insta kill him with fabius bile.

>>53289960
Current FAQ states that models embarked upon vehicles/in buildings are considered to not be on the table.

So his preferred enemy bubble in fact disappears.

>>53289961
>>53289990
glorious

>>53289943

>tfw just getting back into the hobby for 8th and don't know anyone at the FLGS, so I can't trade the DG from my starter for someone's SMs

>>53289960
Neither, it doesn't work because you can't measure the distance from him.
Look it up in the FAQ.

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>>53289961
>>53289962
>>53289990
The Prime Beef are bigger.

>>53289979

One huge buff for Wyches will be their MS. They could end up movement 8" or 9" very easily.

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>>53290005
You rang ?

>>53289994
well, it doesn't in every of the 200 aos instances

>>53289677
You don't have to reach base to base contact to successful charge.

>>53289839
>Well they cant do it in any other way than free PDFs on their site

"8th edition PDF updates for your favourite imperial armour books, only 10£ (40$Aus/Nz)" (with proof of purchase, separate non-upgrade PDF's cost 50£ (200$Aus/Nz), Terms and Conditions May Apply, offer may be unavailable in your country if you life outside continental Iceland)

>>53289612
>There's a whole ton of shit he clearly didn't share with us. These preview articles are very, very light puff pieces
But the tau and craftworld 'puff pieces' showed how their units had improved with examples. If the dark eldar had got something equally good, why not tell us about it?

>>53290042
>NANI?!?

>>53290042
They fucked up the meme. There's only supposed to be three titans.

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>>53290034
The Prime BLACKED is niggest.

>>53290065
They were also Warlords, not Knights.

Test

>>53290048

You start 9.000001 inches away.

You roll an 8, which puts you 1.0000001 inches away. You are not in combat range.

Like the other anon said, you don't need to measure the minute details, because if an 8" charge move gets you within 1" it was an illegal deep strike.

>>53289422
>>53289427
>>53289485
looks like best marines are back in business then. jump packs for everyone (assuming they get extra movement for assault)

>>53290048
No shit sherlock, that's already been addressed over9000 times. What part of MORE THAN being spelled out a fuckton in that post did not get through your think mongoloid fucking skull?

>>53290059
Look at what CSM got for our faction focus. Zilch.

>>53290072
What are those ladder things?

>>53290034
Goddamn I will hate looking at this bitch for all of 8th edition

>>53290059
Like transports that work as intended?

>>53290097

You got a full datasheet as an apology, so cry me a river. We know more about Chaos in 8th than any other faction besides SM.

>>53290059
I don't know, and I agree that makes it sound really suspect... but I doubt the main DEldar player would be pumped about his favorite army still being shit. If he's saying they're good, they're good.

>>53289668
>Honestly if Wyches stay the same PPM and they can assault out of a Venom or Raider I feel like these buffs actually make them worth using...
What buffs? You're saying that if they do exactly what they do now, only slightly less well they would be better?

>>53289670
>We don't know if wyches can get upgrades that modify the escape dice rolls

I do know that they can do it without rolling now and everything else is a downgrade.

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I'm trying to get into the game and have been watching a few match videos. I came across this bullshit and I'm wondering if this is at all normal;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4pzYcrEyUY#t=16m17s
That entire squad wiped out in one attack because he couldn't roll a rally of 10. Did the Imperial play like a retard? Is it balanced out because that Necron unit is so expensive? That just seems like a huge swing in power over one roll. Keep in mind this match was played in 6th edition so maybe there have been changes to this function?

>>53290104
objective markers probably

>>53289804
4-5 edition were mostly fine, due to the absence of bullshit like overwatch and randomized charge

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>>53289948
Easy

>>53289885
The one they did live or the one written on the site?

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>>53290089
If you are worrying about .0000001 of an inch then I might have second thoughts about playing you.

>>53290104
You never played Battle for Macragge, newfag?

They were force field generators that stopped the Tyranids moving through until after they destroyed them so the Marines could hold out against endlessly respawning Genestealers til the last turn of the mission

>>53290125
Yeah, of a subfaction irrelevant to the majority of CSM players.

>>53290139
timecode pal, dont wanna watch all that

>>53290065
>>53290078
What happened between him and 3 warlords?

>>53290096
Never had any issue with it.
Just mentioned the fact about melee combat range in case it was forgotten.
I've got better shit to do than try to be "Right" or argue about something I wasn't even part of on a fucking anonymous image board.
Maybe you and the other autistic anon can argue it out.
In fact, please do. It will be a great case study.

>>53290080
Sorry for that, but 4chan had banned half my country for the better part of a year.

Seems they finally fixed it, yay and so on.

I got a question. I have been getting into war40k lore lately and it's pretty damn great but 1 thing hasn't made sense so far to me.

There is too much focus on "the galaxy". All the events of warhammer are supposed to be contained to the milky way galaxy. Obviously a huge place but in the great scheme of things, it's simply on of the quintilion galaxies out there. Considering how seeded the galaxy is, it logically follows that many other galaxies also contain life in the warhammer 40k universe.

So, the question is, why does such a small place in the universe cause changed to what is supposed to be the "mirror" of the universe? Why can just 1 galaxy birth a chaos god?

The only thing that would make sense to me is if the chaos gods aren't really "gods" in the traditional sense and instead are just extremely powerful demons/combined essence that reside in the warp equivalent of the milky galaxy.

Is there any merit to that or am I missing something?

>Had the perfect opportunity to make a mirror to overwatch
>Where when you withdraw from combat the unit you are running from gets to do free melee attacks hitting on 6's to represent them not just staring at you like retards
GW please

>>53290139
Where in the video are you referring to?
Assuming that was a Guard unit, that's not unusual. They have a habit of breaking and being cut down en masse once their morale support is gone, so if he lost his Priests or didn't have one they could easily just get splatted by a Necron deathstar. Give the time and I'll take a look.

>>53290184
16m17s it's in the URL

>>53290162
That's not the point you freaking idiot. This isn't a case of the model moving up in the movement phase and then being 0.00001 inch away, it's a case of the model being placed by a special rule that states it CANNOT be 9" or closer to the enemy model, and therefore there is no possible way it can make an 8" charge into 1" combat range or you cheated when deploying it that turn.

This has been explained so many times you are either incapable of understanding fucking anything or you're baiting, so I'm not gonna respond anymore.

>>53289948
The Lion?!

>>53290184
>>53290210
the vid has a timecode for me
an entire platoon of 30 guardsmen get wiped out by a necron lord

>>53290139
>Keep in mind this match was played in 6th edition so maybe there have been changes to this function?

It has been that way since 5th ed at least if not since 3rd ed, assault has always been brutal because its generally harder to get to an assault compared to shooting, its completely normal and fine but you wont see it with 8th around the corner though units that are falling back in 8th are now useless so its not a great loss to the effectiveness of assault.

>>53290160
the one on the site
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/22/the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000-your-questions-answeredgw-homepage-post-2/

"Can I still use all my models?
Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.

Even Forge World models?
Yes, even all of your Warhammer 40,000 Forge World models**."

>>53290206
But is the wording on movement for fleeing not saying exactly that?

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>>53290215
>>53290089
>>53289677
Oh my god, what a sperglord.

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>>53290215
Sure thing, guy.

>>53290139
he assaulted a united that was running away, thats instant death

>>53289423
>Chadmarine holding a chaosy kid by the horn whilst he's all off-balance and trying to swipe with his axe like a beta fag.

Was going to be my picture reply but my mspaint skills were just not up to par.

>>53290213
Oh, they were already broken and running, so they get wiped if they don't rally back into the fight. IIRC that happens regardless of what you get charged with, could be one Grot if it survives overwatch. 30 Guardsmen is 150 points, too, so it's not THAT big of a catastrophe. They don't cost that much more than the Lord.

Normally there would be a proper scrap, yes.

>>53290162

The intent of the rule is that you can't make an 8" charge out of deep strike, else they would say AT LEAST 9", not MORE THAN 9".

I'll give someone a 24.001" bolter shot every time, but this is a rule blatantly established to ensure that you need at least a 9" charge to assault out of DS. This is remedial arithmetic, anon.

>>53290205
>The only thing that would make sense to me is if the chaos gods aren't really "gods" in the traditional sense and instead are just extremely powerful demons/combined essence that reside in the warp equivalent of the milky galaxy.
*DING DING DING*. They are the demons of primordial feelings. So they've grown so powerful that they are basically what you call gods. And as long as there are humans, they are so powerful that they pretty much cannot be killed*

*Ynnead if going to shank Slaanesh.

Anyone have the email for Z, CCON, Pillpitt, HeyYou, or Miranda. Have heard these were good recasters.

>>53289641
Don't put him on a marine hog. Just trim the bike down.

>>53290272
[email protected]

>>53290246
Two of those posts weren't even me, you idiot.

>>53290139
not having a commisar in a squad that big was his mistake , or maybe the commisar got sniped in which case it was a good play by the necron

>>53290205
The 40k setting doesn't go past the single galaxy, and before anyone bitches nids don't count.

Your theory on why the warp has chaos does make sense, the lore states they were created from emotions or somesuch.

They could be called "Daemons" or "Gods" because there was no other word for it at the time.
They could just be 40k's version of hell.
Or they could simply be a tool created for the sole purpose of making 40k grimdark, reasons be damned. You'll have to phone the original author.

>>53289948
>>53290155
>>53290221
It's a High Elves thing from Sigmar's Fantasy or whatever.
White Lion chariot or someshit.

>>53290215
It's honestly sad how people can't comprehend this basic logic. I suppose we can look forward to a lot of illegal charges in 8th.

>>53290246
>>53290254
He's a sperg but he's also objectively correct. You need to roll a 9 to reach melee from a deepstrike. There's no measuring required.

>>53289829
It seems to be that you can only apply 'buff' effects to units with the same <subfaction>, so it could just be that.

Seems likely it will be more than that though. It's a pretty easy way to get people hyped; chapter tactics and traitor legions both got a good reaction from the fanbase and people have been asking for rules for different clans, regiments, etc. for ages.

Looking at the Kharadon Overlords book, they seem to have a really good system. Hopefully it will be something like that, without the abuseable elements of the 4th edition doctrines.

>>53289731
>Still forgeworld
>Not beholden to your petty ideas of 'rules' and 'balance'.

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>>53289943

CAN I GET A BASIC GESTALT OF WHAT 8TH HAS IN STORE IN TERMS OF RULES AND MY BOYS THE IRON WARRIORS (aka CSM rules)

>>53290314
my valdor tank hunter would like a stern word or two with you

>>53290270
So the chaos gods don't have anything special besides their size, right?

Like, if any single trait became widespread enough on any population large enough, it would birth an equivalent god?

So, in that case, the fuck was slaneesh? A demon that basically exploded after reaching a tipping point?

>>53289376
haha, no

That would be a slight nerf to shooting. We can't have that in 40k.

>>53289776

It almost like bringing a knife to a gunfight is incredibly stupid or something

>>53290337
We got nothing thanks to Frankie of Frontline Gaming (who was only too willing to give out more than enough info for the other factions he wrote about)

>>53290312
Right but if the different options for <subfaction> didn't have different rules, there would be no need to separate them into different options. It would just be KEYWORD instead of <KEYWORD>, you feel? The fact that you can slot different options into those brackets mean the individual options must mean something or it would be a meaningless rules distinction, and since the point of this edition is to streamline things they're not going to have meaningless extra rules.

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>>53290319
Wow that was quick

>>53290346
slaanesh was created due to the galaxy-spanning eldar empire becoming so degenerate, greedy and lustful that they created their own chaos god (which consumed the vast majority of the eldar and eats the remaining eldar's souls when they die)

All this talk about 9'' distance and you guys are still forgetting about disembarking rules, drop pods will have to deploy more than 9'' from the target AND THEN the marines/dreadnoughts will disembark closer, even 3'' disembark will make it possible for them to be a reasonable threat.

Age of the Drop Pod is here.

>>53290319
>Primaris-brother Chad stuck chewing gum to my robes again
>Yesterday he filled my locker with krak grenades
>I saw him talking to Sister Toni again, why don't Sororitas go for the good marines?

>>53290378
Read the rules on the Trygon tunnel again. The units need to be more than 9" after being placed. You can't put the Trygon slightly over 9" away and then cheat the other unit 3" closer.

It'll be the same with disembarking from pods.

>>53290377
And this is why you don't into degeneracy, kids.

Although I honestly don't know how fucking degenerate they were if they were somehow more degenerate than current era humanity.

>>53290403

He is just asking Sister Toni to date his big brother.

>>53290403
>One day she'll let you clean her armour while she's busy fucking him.

>>53290417
literally dark eldar

I really like the new Super Marines. They look fucking sweet but I am not looking forward to the $1,000 I know I am going to blow on building a new Primaris army.

Goddamnit, it's like my drug dealer gave me a sample of his new shit just when I was trying to get clean.

>>53290414
The solution is simple. Just model your dudes charging on the long thin biker bases. Set them up sideways so they are outside 9" then turn them facing forward when you charge so you make it on 8s.

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Are there any slightly unconventional army builds that work surprisingly well? I had a go at a lowish points Melee Mechanicus list with 2x5 Arc Vanguard for tanks and debuffs, a couple Dragoons and some Sicarians, backed with a Kastelan unit and it worked pretty much seamlessly.
Also Sky Mechanicum from the Heresy, since they have pretty cool planes and FMCs which they can buff and drop robots and secutarii out of, plus deepstriking Jump Pack FnP Ogryns with dual Power Fists and Volkite Chargers.

Fucking chadmarines horde all of Celestne's THICC to themselves.

>>53290454
Dark Eldar are basically just ancap minus the NAP though. Humanity has done worse shit than that.

>>53290417
a galaxy spanning fuckfest, filled with any drug imaginable only interrupted by bloodsports.

So just a saturday night in any given british town

Surprised I haven't seen an Elric bros edit of manlet marines yet.

>>53289776
It's looking like melee is going to be worse off than it was in 7th.

>>53290125
Feel like we know more of Tau than CSM.

>>53290417
Dark Eldar are pretty much traditionalists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-KESpTStok

>>53290403
>some random agri world
>squad is pinned down
>call on sisters of battle over the vox for support
>"she's busy , call back later"
>fucking chad

>>53290438
>implying Sisters would dig mutants

>>53290346
I don't think chaos has 'small gods'. Too many people brushing teeth isn't going to create the daemon prince of dental hygiene.

I think it's just divvied between the spheres, and if it's not going anywhere it builds towards a new god.

>>53290459
I hope you're joking. If not, realize that you can't do this, it's still cheating. AoS literally has rules to cover this faggotry already, guaranteed 8th will too.

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>>53290358
TAKE IT BACK!

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>>53290417
>Although I honestly don't know how fucking degenerate they were if they were somehow more degenerate than current era humanity.
you know nothing of the pleasure slaanesh can provide

>>53289639
Cheap? It's cool how you know about 8E points already.

>>53290459
You are cancer.

>>53290470
eldar also have a much larger psychic presence
also how has hummanity ever done something worse than comorrah but on a space empire level

>>53290459

That's just about the biggest That Guy move imaginable. You won't get away with that in either friendly or competitive play.

>>53289543
I know this feel. Everytime I play a game at my local gamestore or at our rougue trader club I have about 3-4 people a day come up to me and say "Playing chaos then eh?" or "Oh so its faggot gay Dark Angels".

It was kinda funny at first now its just annoying everytime. Cant even discuss anything about this chapter with the community without LE REDDIT GAY TRAITOR JOKES XD.

Not even mad just.... tired.

>>53290417
Dark Eldar shit allows them to go to further dephts than we do. They are also more numerous and pretty much fully degenerate, while only the majority of modern humans are degenerate.

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>>53290456
congratulations, you are GW's target audience

stick with your manlets, friendos. let us show GW we will not stand for this.

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>>53290414
>It'll be the same with disembarking from pods.

Fuck it! Im still doing this and charging niggers from drop pods, TAU WILL LEARN TO FEAR THE DROP POD!.

>>53290488
>Call captain chad for backup
>"Sure thing bro, I'm done here anyway."
>Turns up inside a minute surfing a stormraven
>Sister sororitas calls back in tears
>It's your chance!
>She just wants him more

>>53289851
>At least you can drag in nearby units if you want.

That's so improbable that it might not even be a thing.

You have to pile in to the nearest enemy unit (which will be the charged unit 99% of the time). You don't just get a free 3" move.

>>53290513
Talk about 'pick your poison' am I right guys?
... guys?

They are getting a lot of flak over the absolutely garbage fire rules and shitty way to pimp out models rather than give a shit about the game. But this is the mentality of a company that has said before they are a model company and not a gaming one. The reason the game is imbalanced is because the codexes just give an incentive to buy certain models. It's like the storefront in games you paid for: tabletop edition.

Anyone who plays this is either a masochist, using the sunk cost fallacy, or fucking retarded. It is now blatantly clear and there is no excuse whatsoever to stick around and not play a better (and cheaper) game.

>b-b-but the rules

Are fucking trash. Next!

>b-b-but youre just poor!

Enjoy wasting money.

>b-b-but the fluff

Can easily be read for free on any wiki.

>b-b-but the models are good and I like painting

Enjoy your over expensive barbie dolls.

>b-b-but GW may get better one day

Enjoy caring for your wife's son

>>53290542
I'm going to have to since there are Blood Angels exclusive units that don't come in Deluxe size.

>>53290540
>>53290417
Also bear in mins millennia long lifespans to get "REALLY" specific fetches and extremely advance medicine to help them survive whatever shit they come up with.

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So how many of you guys are still gonna use Happy Meal Marines after they launch 8th?

>>53290583
Dude, the new rules are a massive improvement over 7th.

If anything, 7th was the dumpster fire, not 8th.

>>53290542
>New marine models are great and gorgeous
>Primaris fluff is pandering to trash kids.
>Primaris rules are unnecessary waacfag garbage

wut... wut do?

>>53290583
>it's this retard again

>>53290583
Link your army when it goes on auction.
Until then; whatever makes you feel better.

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>>53290598

Already put mine up on craigslist

>>53290567
No, each model piles into the nearest enemy model. When you've get a huge horde of guys, your other guys in your unit will be making a buffer between your outside-most ones and the thing you're swarming around, and all they have to do is push you out just far enough so that another enemy unit within 3" is 0.00000001 inches closer than the unit you're already locked with.

In other words, it will rarely be a thing for small elite melee units, but dragging stuff into CC will happen for sure with big blobs if the enemy doesn't spread his shit out carefully.

>>53290583
>>b-b-but the models are good and I like painting
>Enjoy your over expensive barbie dolls.
How did you ever think this was the right hobby for you?

>>53290613
Play Primaris Marines as regular Tac? Why is this so hard to figure out. A space marine is a space marines.

>>53290618
>Link your army when you set it on fire
FTFY

>>53290583
>This speel was two editions overdue
>Now you're just a cuck shouting at other cucks.

I have friends who basically stopped playing after 4th. I wasn't as strong as them.

>>53289463
I'm sad Cheetah poster was banned. He has missed out on so much.

>>53290598
I don't see them releasing Primaris versions of Blood Angels Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Sanguinary Priest, and Death Company Chaplain any time soon.

>>53290038
>move 9"
>fails a 6" charge
>still dies to overwatch

>get into combat
>barely survive overwatch
>kill 1 dude
>die to battleshock

>get into combat
>still fail to do any damage
>opponent negates special rule on a d6
>dies to shooting

>get into combat
>die to overwatch
>kill a few
>still die to battle shock
>opponent moon walks away on a d6

Wyches are shit. Raiders are more durable now with better armaments and more maneuverability. Wyches are still only good at dying.

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>>53290297
>The 40k setting doesn't go past the single galaxy, and before anyone bitches nids don't count.
No, it does go outside the galaxy.

It's just everything outside the galaxy is pretty much "HERE BE ORKZ (AND NIDS)" turf, and everyone else is busy with what's going on inside it at the moment. (plus Emp's light doesn't reach that far... which makes me wonder how the fuck the nids knew about the galaxy in the first place because they're supposed to be drawn to the Astronomicon. Unless I'm forgetting another piece of lore expanding upon this).

>>53290640
He deserve it for running the joke to the ground.

He was basically sexually abusing a dead cat

>>53289808
I run Thousand Sons, but I plan on adding a second legion's detachment. Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors are my current top choices, but fabuloud extratone marines tempt me so.

Can anyone make out what nurgle shit is in the new started box? Fucking shitty blurry pics.

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>>53290613
you know what to do.
>>53290621
link?

>>53290613
>>Primaris rules are unnecessary waacfag garbage

Not really? From what we have seen they are singularly better than normal marines, but a Tactical squad will beat an intercessor squad in flexibility a lot of times thanks to special and heavy weapons.

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>>53290650
>Blood Angels
>Slated for next 5 campaign releases

>>53290215
I bet your fun to play against.

>>53290640
No, he shitposted too much and deserves it for ruining threads and never fully reading responses.

>>53290637
That guy left our LGS shortly after and literally no-one misses him.

>>53290669
Yup, just wait til they get their shit kicked in by the nids and need to be reinforced.

do orks travel through the warp? im not versed in ork fluff

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>>53290669

>more BA campaigns after the boring ass Shield of Baal shit

>>53290674
>you're*

>>53289768
It sounds like you don't actually play DE. In the past Wyches were used to tie up things like Broadsides, havocs, devastators, etc to ensure your paper thin vehicles can actual you deliver your good units and/or scoot and shoot uninterrupted. I'm not talking about throwing a 5 man squad at a mob of 30 sluggas or a fucking wraithknight, I'm saying spend your 40~ points on a unit to tie up high point anti vehicle squads while the resg of your army does its job. In 5th-6th (Dropped before 7th, couldn't pay me to play in this shitstain an edition.) they were absolutely worthless for everything, now I could coupd see them being used in small
units with relative success. Probably not an GOOD unit, but not shit-tier worthless.

I think I fucked up the formatting on this post. Phone postin from the office, what can you do.

>>53290637
Either way, they meta will be less one volatile bitch, a net improvement.

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>>53290653
>Wyches are still only good at dying.
Puzzled Orkfag here. Are you saying the Wyches are basically the Grotz of the DEldar?

>>53290674

Not him, but if you deliberately flaunt the rules to make illegal charges, I bet you're real fun to play against.

>>53290685
you poosh da big red button on da kroozer

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>>53290658
Are you a Slaaneshi ?

>>53289846
Wrong song. I fixed it for you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsGRsDe3iRw

>>53290703
It's the DrewCary™ now anon. Don't want to get sued.

>>53290685
Yes.

>>53290682
Dante follows through his threat of consolidating all the successor chapters
Gab Seth deposes him.
>WELCOME TO EIGHTH YOU FUCK

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>>53290319
I tried

>>53290669
>by the time Rowboat gets to Baal, all the Blood Angels will be wiped out except for the named characters and a few others.
>"Fear not nephew Dante, behold the Primaris Blood Angels!"
>Uncle Bobby G. gives Dante an entire Chapter of Primaris Marines to replace the casualties.
>New Bangel line of entire Primaris Marines.

>>53290723
That's cute. Well played.

>>53290588
Exactly. They had everything that facilitates degeneracy: Peace, prosperity, easy lives, lots of wealth and technology, and high lifespans.

This is why Khorne and Slaneesh are polar opossites, because war and conflict are the source of all traditional values, since they are for survival instead of entretainment. In a prosperous and peaceful empire where everyone can live for hundreds of years without needing hard, physical labor, there is no push for self-improvement, so people get bored and face existential crisis. The solution for this crisis often comes as entretainment, which people quickly get desensitized to and seek higher and higher extremes. This is why empires tend to enter periods of decadence during long periods of peace and prosperity, where there is either no war or when said wars are not fought by the main population but by slaves, client states, etc. Rome was the best example.

But excessive war brings complete destruction the same way excessive peace brings decay. All extremes are bad, and it is important to achieve the balance between conquest and expansion and the consolidation and prosperity they bring.

>>53290709
I know this much but what do button do?
>>53290718
do ork kroozers have a gellar field? how do they not get eternally daemon-raped?

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>>53290319

>>53290743
>my brothers sons

>>53290685
Yes. They make their own ships and also hitch rides on space hulks.

They aren't very good at navigating and their devices to keep daemons out are unreliable, but for orks that just makes things more fun.

>>53290761
>do ork kroozers have a gellar field? how do they not get eternally daemon-raped?
No, they want the daemons to come on board so they have a good fight to keep them occupied while they go from system to system.

They literally just fuck their shit up for fun.

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>>53289463
I dont know why but that picture of slaanesh makes me rock fucking hard. No other picture of h(im/er), no other pictures with the same art style, just that one weird cartoon with the muppet mouth.

>>53290583
>>b-b-but the models are good and I like painting
>Enjoy your over expensive barbie dolls.

I fucking will, thanks. Rules are pretty good too.

>>53290761
>do ork kroozers have a gellar field? how do they not get eternally daemon-raped?

They have kustom force fields, not as good as a Gellar fields, but Orks consider anything that slips through it as in-flight entertainment.

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>>53290685
Yes. Most of the time they do it by hitching a ride on big Space hulks, and then attacking the first civilized planet they come across.

Basic Ork travel operates as one galactic pub crawl, with the 'pubs' being the planets they go WAAAGH!ing on (sometimes while drinking themselves stupid on fungus brew).

Most advanced Ork travel was during the War of the Beast era, where they were sending their 'ZOGHUEG' Deff Stars (Attack Moons) through 'subspace' via gravitic engines (essentially what the Tau do now) and avoiding the Warp altogether.

Which brings up an amusing thought: maybe one of the moons around T'au is actually an abandoned Ork Attack Moon, and that's where they got their gravitic drive tech from. Wouldn't it be a nasty surprise if that Attack Moon suddenly became active again...

>>53290765
Laughing Emperor should be a cheetah.

>>53290704
You can always claim ignorance of it if you're called out, and chances are the average player won't know any better anyway. Just smile and be friendly while you screw them over.

>>53290807
how new r u to not recognize mr culexus' art style?

>>53290772
>>53290774
>>53290817
>>53290819
very interdasting
I should have expected orks to enjoy fighting daemons in their own realm

>>53290833
I started playing 40k like a month ago. I used to avoid the threads.

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>>53290807

Welp, looks like my homebrew chapter just became a renegade chapter devoted to killing prius marines

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>>53290460
My Word Bearers list where I gave my Lord a Disc of Tzeentch and the Scrolls of Magnus.

It's fairly surprising how much pressure you can put on a foe when nearly your entire army is Obsec and you can push out 2 Summons. Also, Favored Scions and fishing for Chaos Boons is quite satisfying.

>>53290761
Travellin' fru' space is borin'.
Well, borin' unless da hulk yer on is full of dem gene-sneakers, or a base fer da chaos lads wiv da spikes, or already has Boyz on it.
Or if humie lootas come callin', that's always good fer a bit a sport.
Or unless yer have a mutiny or two to pass da time, or unless strange fings start happenin', which dey usually do when yer out in da warp.
One time we had some bloody great ugly fing come straight out of Weird Lugwort's 'ed! It butchered half da lads, that was pretty entertainin'.
Come ter fink of it, space is a pretty good larf.
And that's before yer find yerself a nice world ta crush!

>>53290858
haha you are one cool guy anon!

>>53290858
*unsheathes power katana*
*teleports behind u*
>heh, nothin personnel, primaris

>>53290743
>Hypervolatile Ubervampires
>Gone death company inside a week.

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>>53290858
>became a renegade chapter devoted to killing prius marines
>prius marines
>PRIUS MARINES
Spelling mistake or not, this is hilarious to me for some reason.

"Guys you don't have to use them, they are reinforcements for your existing marines!"

...Never mind the fact that they are better in pretty much every way that matters.

>>53290807
'Aroused but not amused' does me.
No freaking idea what it's even from but every time I grow a little taller

>>53290827
My nigga.