/swg/ - High As Fuck Edition

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>>53210889
OP here, I'm high as FUCK right now.

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>>53210909

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Did someone say spice?

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Spice fiend concept art?

You know what's really incongruous about Jedi Knight 1 in retrospect? The Barons Hed level. Open Imperial (Well, Pentastar technically) presence on the moon of Sullust a full year after Endor.

Thanks to the anon in the last thread for the metabaron guide. I love that shit, it's like 40k and Star Wars had a child with a savant syndrome together.

>>53205243
There's always tabletop simulator with the X-wing mod.

>>53205798
I remember Darkstryder for WEG having a lot of starfighter content.

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>>53211823

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>>53212338

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>>53212783

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>>53212783

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>>53213282

>>53213978
>wearing an astromech unit.
That doesn't seem practical at all.

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>>53214040
He should have acquired a small speeder to help lug all that weight along.

>>53211969
>There's always tabletop simulator with the X-wing mod.
I can't vouch for this enough. TTS is a great tool and is perfect for practicing the game solo as well as just playing the game.

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Is there any attempt to port WEG adventures to FFG?
Any good homebrew modules for the latter?

>>53214040
No pays attention to the droids. Perfect disguise to do some spying. Who would notice the 7ft tall astromech ?

>>53214599
>beep boop, pay me no mind, bop

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>>53214599
>stands right behind the emperor in every scene.

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>>53212783
>Another empire being cruel and evil for the sake of being cruel and evil picture
When will this meme end?

>>53214879
That's your narrative, man. For all we know, he might just suffer from stomach ache aftereating too much sausage, and the stormtroopers are enquiring about his health.

>>53214879
when it stops being accurate
>the Evil Empire is evil?
when will THIS meme end?

>>53215113
>the EVIL Empire
I want this meme to end

>>53215128
but the opening crawl of ANH, literally the first thing we ever see in Star Wars is that they're the evil empire. If anything in Star Wars is true it must be this.

>>53215229
I'm okay with Star Wars having an evil empire, but I can't fathom that every single cog in the Empire's machine is a moustache twirling cocksucker that is willing to cook babies alive.

Also
>>53215128
I want the meme of every Empire in fiction defaulting to evil to die

>>53215270
>I'm okay with Star Wars having an evil empire, but I can't fathom that every single cog in the Empire's machine is a moustache twirling cocksucker that is willing to cook babies alive.
This is true. The Empire is evil, the guys in it aren't necessarily so.

>>53215270
Well the third empire in Traveller is pretty much neutral. They just want to trade and you really should not fuck with their trade.

>>53215270
>every Empire
Romance of the Three Kingdoms paints the Han dynasty in a pretty sympathetic light. They're obviously ineffective and incompetent, but never truly portrayed as outright villainous. Cao Cao still did nothing wrong. Except for the Battle of Chibi.

>>53215407
Cao Cao's invasion of Xu province was unnecessarily bloody and brutal.

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>>53215447
Start shit, get hit, Tao Qian.

Before Hux gets all worked up, how about some list talk.

Store Champs are going on, so now's the time to try things out.

TIE/SF Fighter: •"Quickdraw" (37)
Lightweight Frame (2)
Special Ops Training (0)
Draw Their Fire (1)
Fire-Control System (2)
Targeting Synchronizer (3)

TIE Defender: •Rexler Brath (38)
Twin Ion Engine Mk. II (1)
TIE/x7 (-2)
Juke (2)

TIE Striker: •"Pure Sabacc" (25)
Lightweight Frame (2)
Adaptive Ailerons (0)
Veteran Instincts (1)

Total: 100/100

And for Imperial Assault I want to try my hand at new stuff and getting Hunters into Empire. It's boring, but 2x eJets, 2x eQuays, BT-1, rOfficer, RBF, Zillo, Scavenged Weaponry

What are you folks bringing to Store Champs?

>>53215540
>What are you folks bringing to Store Champs?
none of my local stores are hosting and I don't want to drive 1/2 way across state in either direction for store championship. Guess I'm waiting for regionals.

>>53215655
That blows, m8

What would y'all say is the Z-95 of capital ships?

>>53215912
Probably the CR90. Reasonably priced, versatile, easily modified, and extremely common. Both ships were also introduced during the later end of the Galactic Republic era, so they're both MILF-tier shipfus by the Rebellion era.

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>>53215447
>Cao Cao
He'd actually make for a decent Sith lord NPC, cunning, unscrupulous and a bit of an all round murderous cunt. Or at least that's how he's depicted a lot of the time, maybe a bit of 'King Richard-ism' where popular media doesn't really give us much in the way of actual facts.
Though just for funsies I'd mix in some Space-Commie style statesmanship where he's got people thinking their suffering is for the glory of their respective empire... because fuck it, cliche's are fun in star wars.

>>53215912
CR-90 overall
Dreadnaughts are probably the most common capital ship over corvette size and are ubiquitous in planetary militias across the galaxy, so that's sort of a second option

>>53215270
>I can't fathom that every single cog in the Empire's machine is a moustache twirling cocksucker that is willing to cook babies alive
That's ridiculous hyperbole, though. Even good people can be part of an evil empire; often enough they are. But the Imperial Navy and Army seem to recruit officers who fall pretty strictly into that mien. If they're not mustache-twirling villains, they're either duty-oriented or senior leadership (who are competent above all).

Keep in mind most societies are both lawful and self-centered. The laws exist to provide a framework for citizens to operate within and the society generally puts its own interests ahead of others.

What changes that tends to make us think of them as evil is somebody steps over a line of moral behavior and instead of being punished is encouraged. We see this pretty frequently throughout the OT, in fact; the only punishment is for failure. Methods are excused for success.

This is part of why Lucas says The Empire Strikes Back is the worst Star Wars movie. The villains succeed in their goals through necessary means -- not moral means -- and nobody is punished for it, directly or karmically.

tl;dr don't take things too far and you won't get lost.

>>53214879
The Empire was not cruel and evil for the sake of being cruel and evil, the empire was cruel and evil to feed the Dark Side and thus the Emperor's power.

Which is why they do it in real life too, BTW.

>>53216147
>Lucas says The Empire Strikes Back is the worst Star Wars movie
Lucas is wrong? AGAIN? who could have forseen this?

>>53216148
I'd argue that Isard, Hethrir, and C'baoth were motivated less by feeding the Dark Side and more because they were complete cunts to the core. And in C'baoth's case, because he was batshit crazy.

>>53216379
But what made them complete cunts to the core? The Empire is suffused with the Dark Side, and not just the physical infrastructure but also the ties of culture and authority which bind it together. To serve the Empire is to serve the Dark Side and be constantly called and conditioned to be a callous, destructive monster. The hate, pain, misery and death feed the darkness until it's almost tangible, forcing the weak-willed to their knees. And at the center of that web of power sits Palpatine like the spider he is.

Again, this happens in the real life. We call it corporate culture,national spirit, fundamentalism, ideology, or whatever. Star Wars simply adds magical makeover to a phenomenon everyone is familiar with.

>>53215270
Every IRL empire actually was evil though, at least from a certain perspective. Centralized authority over large and diverse regions, historically, leads to atrocity. Empires are built on warfare or other kinds of domination, even if it sometimes brings stability and comfort to a certain social class or ethnic group. This is true whether they be monarchist, republican, capitalist, or communist. The world is a diverse place, and different situations call for different responses, which a centralized authority can't handle easily while maintaining the facade of legitimacy based on consistency and 'fairness'.

New video's out. It's a real short one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_HbrvF5kK4

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>>53211823
Great art. I've not seen most of these. Got any more?

>>53217493
>Are you sure, Plo ? That sounds like a terrible idea.
>Come on ! What could go wrong ? I get on the wing and deflect fighters shots. Another jedi one the other wing and bam Invincible starfighter. Now quit being such a pussy and get your ass up here.

>>53215270

"Empire" by definition means military, undemocratic domination of many nations by a single power.

Yes, empire is evil by definition. Thats what it means.

>>53217763
>empire is evil by definition
even John Locke would disagree with this

>>53217867

He was wrong about a lot of things.

>>53217736
I heard Plos voice from Clone Wars in my head...
>>53214422
https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/177664-weg-modules-for-aor/

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Any hope for this?

>>53214879
Well the Empire is pretty much every evil thing humanity has done rolled into one entity. I'd say Star Wars influenced other creators to roll with an Empire being evil for consistency.

>>53214879
Because a single word in the opening crawl of A New Hope apparently overrides decades of fiction and work by others because people are either too sensitive or too lazy to accept a non-objective-moral setting. tl;dr? They have shit taste.

>>53220022
>Because a single word in the opening crawl
Then the movie goes on to prove that

>>53216147
None of the Imperials in Empire Strikes Back are evil though, and that's what makes the argument of ANH's crawl when it comes to the Empire being evil or good so baffling.

Why are they evil in the films? Besides MUH SIX MILLIONS Alderaan, the Empire never again does even the slightest, most remotely evil thing, and does nothing that any sane person could even call evil.

I could say I drive an 85 grand sports car and have a 19 inch dick, but if I can't prove it, if I can't show it, if nothing backs it up, then I'm wrong. It doesn't make it so.

Saying the Empire is this totally evil organization and never showing it being evil or doing anything evil means that by the most basic of logical reasoning, they're not evil.

>>53217763
Athenian Empire? Carolingian Empire? If those are evil I don't know which regime isn't.

Heck, even the Pax Romana was a huge improvement compared to most of the regimes it replaced, and it was as decentralized as you can get.

>>53217763
Morality is not usually objective, anon. Democracy is not objectively good. Military control is not objectively evil. Dominance is not objectively evil. Empires are not objectively evil, unless you're chugging some marxist koolaid.

>>53220125
Morality is whatever the force wills.

Goddammit. Last thread was completely devoid of pro-Empire/anti-Empire shitposting. It was great. Can we go back to that?

>>53220091
>if I can't prove it, then I'm wrong
In that case, you might want to show and/or provide evidence to support your assertion that the Empire did LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG (minus Alderaan because "lol Leia was askin for it"). Particularly considering the Empire spends the first half of the movie interrogating prisoners to death, slaughtering innocent witnesses, tearing up the representative branch of the government, and gloating amongst themselves that nobody can stop them from doing so.
But that would undercut your shitposting, so who am I to judge your methods

>>53220091
ESB isn't meant to convey that point anymore, since you're working off ANH. But it still keeps with the vibe with imagery and character actions. Also evil is a loaded term, but that doesn't mean you're actually a good government anyway. I'd say Vader wasting resources going after his son and not the rest of the Rebellion is an example of that. That's guillotine worthy.

>Players interested in doing a Fel Empire + Galactic Alliance vs. First Order campaign
Obviously the FE and FO would both use old Galactic Empire tech and doctrine as a foundation, but there's definitely divergent evolution at work. How might FE tech and strategy differ from the FO? Obviously, the FE has a very different navy than the FO, but what other interesting differences could be highlighted to keep things from being a mirror match? And has nucanon shown us any new post-TFA stuff in the FO arsenal that might be able to match the likes of Pellaeon and the 181st?

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>>53220223
You know what you need to do. Only one thing drives them away.

>>53220223
Pro-Republic Anti-Republic when?

>>53220223
I want a subthread for containment of these discussions.

A place for all the pro-/anti- facitonfags to have at it. Empirefag General, Rebelfag General, Republifag General, Confederfag General, Greyfag General, Lightfag, Darkfag, etc etc etc.

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>>53220343
YOU CANNOT CONTAIN US! A MORE PURER AND STRONGER EMPIRE WILL RISE AGAIN!!

THE FIRSST ORDA!!!!

>>53220263
You know, I always wondered why Palpatine was so eager to ditch Vader and have him killed to bring Luke to his side, after he'd spent so long building up Vader as his best man and giving him so much power.

Maybe it wasn't just because of the Rule of Two, but because Palpatine wanted to punish Vader for killing off officers and wasting so many resources. I think the EU even makes a point that after all the complaints he got from many folks in the military and government that even Palpatine himself was getting angry at Vader.

Maybe Vader would've died even if he hadn't saved Luke.

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>>53220366
>66
Well, shit, son.

>>53220118
>Athenian Empire

You should probably read some Melian Dialogue sometime.

>Roman empire

Probably the most brutally slave dependent empire in human history. Yes, evil.

>>53220125

>muh relativism

Okay, nothing is evil and genocide and slavery are just a matter of perspective. And from a certain perspective the REAL evil is opposing those things.

>>53220442
The Empire outlawed slavery in all but the Outer Rim several years before the Battle of Yavin, and allowing it in the Outer Rim was only to keep the Hutts from throwing a tantrum.

The Wookiees were under a penal work-release program constructed to keep potentially hostile races from going to war on them, which the Wookiees, being very pro-Jedi, sought to do. Not every Wookiee was forced to work either, but leaving Kashyyk was outlawed and Wookiees convicted of crimes could be put into penal labor programs.

The penal labor program itself received sweeping regulations around the same time, making the list of crimes that allow for penal labor much smaller and more well-defined, as well as putting reasonable potential limits on length of labor service.

Neither the Republic nor the Jedi opposed slavery or tried to combat it with any measure of effectiveness.

The Empire did.

>>53220412
Oh, alright. Because they used slaves then that means all those amazing advancements in technology, culture, and civilization they brought are worth nothing, because sometimes slaves were used.

Slaves that were taken from primitive wildernesses and given a civilized life, legal protection, and later opportunities to become citizens, no less.

>>53220526
This isn't true at all. All the books I've read pretty much state that the Empire uses slavery in many different forms.

>>53220526
Slavery was outlawed by the Old Republic in both nucanon and Legends. Tatooine was outside of Republic jurisdiction, judging by Watto's refusal to accept OR credits. As for the PT OJO, they had neither the political clout nor the manpower to combat Outer Rim slavery in any meaningful fashion.

>>53220091
They do:
They kill Owen and Beru and the Jawas (that are bandits, but still).
The problem is, we don't see any of this. We have to rely on Ben "from a certain PoV" or Leia on this; and knowing their relationship with the Empire, they might be slightly biased.

But Star Wars isn't famous for its civilian crowds (Cantina aside, but that would point the Empire as a positive force); I can't say we've seen the Empire being not evil with the population either.


The Empire being Evil causes a lot of issues, though. You have a massive government that was the Republic a few years ago.
If you admit the Empire being irremediably Evil, then it means the Republic (or at least the poeple inside) were also evil, if only by their implicit consent. That's bleak.

>>53220558
Some books also say X-Wings can take on Star Destroyers.

Don't believe everything you read.

If I can remember the exact code of the legislation I'll link it, because unfortunately Wookieepedia doesn't have it under a nice, easy name.

>>53220558
>>53220558
Don't argue with this motherfucker, it'll just prolong the shitstorm

>>53220595
>getting so personally angry over fictional slavery and imperialism

Antifa Strikes Back.

>>53220587
Like 70% of the entire point of the prequels was that the old republic was shitty and corrupt and decaying
The empire pretended to fix those problems but actually made them worse

>>53220592
>Some books also say X-Wings can take on Star Destroyers.
They can.

>Don't believe everything you read.
Everything I've been reading is saying this. Rebels Rising goes deep into misery and debt enslavement is spoken about many times. Also fun fact but apparently the Empire caused an alien race to go extinct for no reason.

Here we go again
Somebody start SOME sort of other discussion

>>53220632
>Rebels Rising

What? You mean a super pro-Rebel book for children said the Empire was mean and bad?

The EU's best part is you can ignore the stupid and pick out the good. Unless you TFU to be canonized....

>>53220625
No, the Empire made things quite a bit better. Not perfect, but better.

>>53220632
>They can.

Outside of Poley fanwank they can't at all. Nothing stops a Star Destroyer in a direct assault except a bigger ship or sabotage.

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>>53220675
>Stackpole
Every/almost every time X-wings successfully defeat Star Destroyers in his books, they do so with large numbers, shitloads of torpedoes, heavy casualties, and the support of allied capital ships. X-wings in the Stackpole books never killed ISDs on their own.

>>53220551

Yes, conquering and enslaving most of the world makes an empire evil regardless of technology. That isnt even a question.

And no, slaves did not have more rights and legal protections than they did when free. Thats just nonsense.

>>53220650
OK, let's talk about pornography
So, everyone, what's a sex scene you'd like to see written that hasn't been some yet?
I may end up getting drunk tonight and writing one of them, so be specific

>>53220558
Community payback isn't slavery. Or a lot of modern nations are evil.
Same for PoWs, even though you're supposed to pay them for their work.

>>53220758
Is Ahsoka a dickgirl?

>>53220658
>What? You mean a super pro-Rebel book for children said the Empire was mean and bad?
Maybe you should read but it's clear you can't. The book is actually pro-neutral, since Jyn is done wrong by both rebels and the empire. Shes still a good person though, so in the end fights against tyranny.

Also Zahn in Thrawn pretty much goes into detail on why the Empire is shit.

>The EU's best part is you can ignore the stupid and pick out the good. Unless you TFU to be canonized....
It doesn't work like that anymore.

>>53220675
It's not all X-wings but Rogue one shows a SD get taken down by smaller ships. I recall an X-wing squadron disabling a SD in the liberation of Jyn. I think it was a VR mission.

The Visual Guide for Rogue One says that the Empire underestimates the damage a starfighter can do. Only focusing on other capital ships.

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>>53220758
A Mandalorian meticulously, painstakingly, and enthusiastically cleans a firearm.

>>53220770
If you want her to be

>>53220772
>but Rogue One shows
>doesn't work like that anymore

If you're following Nu-Canon for this then I'm dropping the argument on my end. It's been discussed neverendingly why Nu-Canon is a pile of shit and why the movies are piles of bigger shit.

>>53220787
I -- I do.

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>>53220811
Well, we found a way to get rid of these conversations. Just talk about canon until it ends and they go away.

>>53220835
Then proceed with the rest of the idea

>>53220758
Anakin tenderly deflowering ahsoka right before she leaves

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>>53220811
>small torpedo-toting craft can't kill bigger ships
>in Space WWII
Sure smells like sauerkraut and marinara in here.

>>53214879
Go to bed Hux.

>>53220625
How is the new republic, with all the public servants of the empires and the senators of the old republic at its helm, supposed to do better?

>>53220091
>MUH SIX MILLIONS
Actually it was about two billion, around two billion people were deleted by the Genocide Ball Hux. The Empire built, financed, operated, designed used and further planned to use the Genocide Ball to quash any disobedience with the state. This is evil. Deleting two billion innocent people is evil and it's not a discussion.

They also slaughtered Jawas and Luke's family in the same film, they later go on to seize control of Cloud City in the next film and then build a second Genocide Ball in the film after that. This is all evil Hux.

>>53221184
>bombings of civilian populations during ww2 (including the atom bombs)

>>53220758
Twi'lek trap mechanic having cockpit sex with the pilot who's Y-wing he's fixing

>>53220758
Twi'lek with a slavery kink.

>>53221184
>>53221215
>majority of planet either openly or secretively supports the rebellion
>government is supplying troops weapons and shelter to rebel combatants
>two of its noble family are open rebel leaders that steal the plans to a space station then hide them and lie about them
>EU vader and tarkin call alderaan a military target that the empire had planned to invade
>EU tarkin reluctantly carries out its destruction
>because the situation was not black and white but very gray morally and difficult and complicated and complex and daresay compelling

>BUT NO ALDERAAN BLOWN UP IS EVIL SPACE OPERA SPACE OPERA SPACEEEEEEE

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>>53221219
I don't actually want to see, this but given the state of the past 3 threads, it seems to be the will of the people. Godspeed, smutanon.

Some variant of twi'lek tomboy/trap and human male/female disguised as male pilot, having romance and such before missions, is in demand right now. Check the past threads for examples.

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>>53220758
Did someone say pornography?

>>53220758
Dude fucks a trap mechanic/pilot and figures out he's a trap but keeps going and is then joined by a slutty human chick and finally a Twilek dickgirl and it becomes a foursome.

>>53221184

It is a pity Palps never turned the Sith into a cult of death where he and vader is to be worshipped and heretics are sacrificed brutally

>>53221254
The chip on your shoulder is showing anon.

>>53221305
Maybe because it gets tiresome seeing people who claim Star Wars should never be thought about or analyzed or go any deeper than mindless space opera and that if you want any level of intricacy you need to go to another fandom.

>>53221316
Maybe those people are reading stuff you're not?

>>53221215
Yeah killing all those innocent people was rather evil, total war is pretty fucking horrendous, what were you expecting?

>>53221254
>majority of planet either openly or secretively supports the rebellion
>two of its noble family are open rebel leaders that steal the plans to a space station then hide them and lie about them
So let me clear this with you, if Texas wanted to secede from the U.S. and let's say they had to peruse a military solution. You'd say the U.S. would be in the clear to kill everyone in Texas?
>government is supplying troops weapons and shelter to rebel combatants

>EU vader and tarkin call alderaan a military target that the empire had planned to invade
>EU tarkin reluctantly carries out its destruction
We've killed you on this before motherfucker, films>novelizations

>>53221498
It isn't even the novelizations, it's literally his headcanon people are arguing with

The second sentence in all of Star Wars calls the Empire evil and there are still people autistic enough to call them the secret good guys.

>>53221693
A word from a 1977 crawl nullifies everything made after it over a 40 year period, huh?

>it's Empire apologism time
Oh boy, another one of these threads.
Fantastic.

>>53221693
I blame KotOR 2, not because it's bad but because it contributed to the idea of deconstructions being automatically clever and needed.

>>53221693
https://brorlandi.github.io/StarWarsIntroCreator/#!/AKk3BKsxkWaqajeInr3d

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>>53221762
I'm sure this is what the holonet looks like a few months before TFA.

>>53221751
yep

Remember when the Star Wars fandom was full of nerds who actually enjoyed discussing and deconstructing Star Wars?

I remember, and I wish I knew what happened to it.

>>53221828
This thread is filled with people who have read the new stuff and people who haven't. There's no point to any conversation here if we're not arguing on the same page.

>>53221828
They grew up

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>>53221828
>Remember when the Star Wars fandom was full of nerds who actually enjoyed discussing and deconstructing Star Wars?

Is this you, because you have the same rose-tinted goggles. This fandom has always been fractious, autistic, squabbling, petty, and completely unwilling to examine any materials from a narrative point of view when they can pick apart structural elements.

>>53221828
But this is a discussion just one where you happen to be obviously fucking wrong, I'm sorry that upsets you but this post is like those fucks who start a thread about how /tg/ isn't as good as it used to be. You certainly wouldn't being posting it is well all agreed with you that the Empire was a more stable, moral and just state than the Republic.

>>53221847
This isn't /swncg/ or /sweug/. You shouldn't have to follow one subset of canon or another to post. Again, I remember when nerds for this used to get into long nerdy discussions, talking about their hopes and ideas for and on the universe and how things worked, deconstructing it and banting about it like a bunch of nerds that they/we/I were/was. No one cared about getting hung up on canon, no one cared what you believed or didn't, no one cared about what Lucas said or didn't say. We were just nerds discussing something we loved.

I guess that's gone now.

>>53221904
>I guess that's gone now.
less than, it never existed.

>>53221904
>This isn't /swncg/ or /sweug/. You shouldn't have to follow one subset of canon or another to post.
That's entirely fine, but arguing from a point that's grounded in *NEITHER* canon is a disingenuous distraction.

>>53221904
This thread never did that shit, that was always a spacebattles/TF.net thing
Those places may be more to your liking than here

>>53221957
You must be new.

>>53221851
Especially in a thread based off the tabletop games. People here can't even make their own cool ships or aliens without looking at a list of shit. Getting mad whenever something cool happens because it's not "logical!!!" stomp their feet and cry about the new shit.

I'm fucking surprised the FFG games got this far with the parts of the fandom who plays them. Even then some people I see try to get as far away as they can from the narrative play.

>>53222001
Now you're just making shit up.

At least we're still not as bad as the X-wing forums.

>>53222021
I mean it happened earlier in the thread, but ok.

>>53221263
Yes, how's the story going?

>>53221904
>Concern trolling
Do you have a low to which you won't sink?

That's not what it happening in this instance, someone is trying to tell is one of the fundamental parts of the setting is wrong. Not even that there's wiggle room but that it's wrong, that up is down and two billion bodies of your own civilians are no big deal.

That's why I bite the bait even when I know a shouldn't because there is a small chance that someone earnestly believes that WMDing your own citizens is fine, so well fucking done Hux, you've managed to get under my skin.

>>53222071
Well. First chapter's almost done. The question now is where to host it. I guess I can put a version up on Pastebin, but I'd rather it be hosted long-term on AO3. I just have to get an invite.

>>53210889
Mark Hamill says that when asking Lucasfilm if they would be cool with his roll in "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" the only imput they gave him was to remind Kevin good guy bong sabers are green or blue, bad guys red.

>>53218934
Yes

>>53222185
Might as well pastebin it now while you wait

>>53222071
>>53222185
What story?

>>53220022
*Sigh* The Sith, and by extention Empire are evil so that the films can have a conversation about combatting evil without becoming it. Anikin fails, Luke succeed. It is morally grey a lot of the time, just not the Empire. The idea that so many people empathize with the hilariously evil fascist government that exists to show how badlly one mans quest to help people can go is, frankly, terrifying.

>>53222478
But dudebro, don't you know?
When a fascist government is in control, obviously HE will be one the people in charge! It'll be great! He'll get to boss us around, tell us what to do, just like he always imagined it!

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>>53222001
>. People here can't even make their own cool ships or aliens without looking at a list of shit.

It's not that they can't, it's that they don't want to. Brains fossilized.

I post up a homebrew system. It gets ignored. I post new species and plot hooks. People want twi'leks and canon races. Fine. I post a game that intersects canon. It gets a tepid response and a fair bit of wailing and panic. Anytime I post anything new, someone immediately chimes in with "Oh, just like this one race from an obscure comic book published in 1992 in Poland?" Like that's fucking helpful.

The problem with these threads is that there's no generation of content. There's bickering over existing content, but nobody's going "Hey, I'll write an Ugly generator for X-Wing" or "Hey, let's invent a fallen Star Wars alien empire".

Canon and debates about it have trained star wars fans not to think or invent.

>>53220091
Well there is the part where they let a religous zellot with now official millitary rank murder navel officers right and left with no recourse. Or do you think the Imperial naval regulations state that the punishment for failure is that a dark lord of the sith will choke you to death on your bridge without cort martial or any other legal recourse? If they do you don't think that regulation is a bit evil? I'm not even going to get into the hiring of an extra judicial rendition squad in ESB, or sending prisoners off to be tortured by crime lords in ROJ.

>>53222589
>"Hey, I'll write an Ugly generator for X-Wing"
>Conveniently ignoring the great Ugly generator that has appeared repeatedly in /swg/ threads in the past

>>53221184
Oh yeah, I forgot about forcably nationalizing a private enterprise.

>>53222589
>Canon and debates about it have trained star wars fans not to think or invent.

This is my concern here.

Not whether or not someone's an empirefag or not, but the fact that there are posters on swg who tell others in earnest not to argue or dispute or disagree with their ideas, or the idead of Lucas, or of new canon, or of Legends/E.U., or anything. That those posters have to agree with them and can't question it otherwise and that's fine because "you shouldn't question a space opera" or something about the Batmobile's tires.

>>53222589
That is a good looking ship

>>53221254
>EU tarkin reluctantly carries out its destruction
EU or Cannon Tarkin does NOTHING reluctantly.

Okay gaiz. here's an idea.

Next time you think, "I'd rather live in an empire than a republic." Travel somewhere like Bolivia. Just spend a month or two down there to get a feel for what its like.

>>53222699
>not posting the lyrics to Holiday in Cambodia

>>53222589
>Ugly generator for X-Wing
That exist you stupid motherfucker, maybe you should be less boring.

>>53222725
>Holiday in Cambodia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KTsXHXMkJA

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>>53222624
>>Conveniently ignoring the great Ugly generator that has appeared repeatedly in /swg/ threads in the past

You fool! That generator isn't for the X-wing miniatures game at all! It doesn't generate rules or dials ro

>>53222643
>something about the Batmobile's tires.
are we feeling sleepy yet?

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>>53222805
>>53222624

You mean this one, you mongoloids?
https://img.fireden.net/tg/image/1445/82/1445821721007.pdf

How am I supposed to use this to generate rules for X-wing? Dials? Weapons? Stats?

Oh, it generates Uglies just fine, but not for X-wing. Which you'd know if you'd ever opened the damn thing.

>>53221751
>A word from a 1977 crawl nullifies everything made after it over a 40 year period, huh?
What the fuck are you smoking. The EU is where we get the upside down underground brain washing center on a super star destroyer, a plague that literaly melts aliens, and 4/5 dumb superweapons. They built a thingie that can deprive a planet of sunlight so that it kills all the crops and everyone starves if they don't freeze to death first. Not to mention the greatest abomination of all Luuke and Luuuke Skywalker, it's funny how all the Timothy Zahn fan wank seems to forget that gem.

>>53222643
>not to argue or dispute or disagree with their ideas, or the idead of Lucas, or of new canon, or of Legends/E.U., or anything.

I just don't think it's useful or relevant or helpful to bicker about random background details in a space opera setting, or break my head trying to reconcile decades of incompatible canon.

Argue about it all you want, but you should at least ask yourself why.

>>53222853
This question has been answered multiple times and there are fuckloads of online resources for custom cards with their own algorithms. Use those resources or follow the advice of other anons from past threads. Other anons from a few days ago already brought up suggestions about randomizing parts and upgrade slots.

>muh XWM
Then specify, you whiny faggot. If it doesn't exist, create it your own goddamn self and promote it instead of bitching every time someone says Empire bad.

>>53222589
its almost like nobody supports each other over an anonymous image board, or that your attitude towards strangers is reflected in what you post.

>>53222875
>Luuke and Luuuke Skywalker, it's funny how all the Timothy Zahn fan wank seems to forget that gem.
Luuuke was from a joke story where Zahn made fun of himself for Luuke.

And Luuke is nothing compared to Zahn reminding the world of the Force-Teleportation power from the WEG Kathol Rift adventure books. That was by far the worst thing he ever did.

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>>53222950
>Other anons from a few days ago already brought up suggestions about randomizing parts and upgrade slots.

That was me. I've posted the idea 4 or 5 times now in response to requests for an X-wing ugly generator by other posters, so clearly there's a demand, but I'm working on other OC projects for other threads that are honestly a lot more pleasant to be in. Someone else can take this one, free of charge.

>promote it instead of bitching every time someone says Empire bad.

See: >>53222589

>>53222699
>>53222725
You mean two nations that are communist regimes and completely different from the Empire? The kind of governments the Rebellion wants to form?

>>53223096
Luuuke may've been a joke, but Mara Jade wasn't. Zahnfags tend to overlook that.

>>53223137
>Rebellion
>communist

Oh thank God I can ignore you now.

>>53223096
>And Luuke is nothing compared to Zahn reminding the world of the Force-Teleportation power from the WEG Kathol Rift adventure books. That was by far the worst thing he ever did.
You keep ragging on about this, but what trouble has it actually caused?

This thread is spiraling out of control
I think we need some DARK GREETINGS

>>53223136
>See:
That post you linked to is still patently bullshit. The Fate homebrew guy got feedback from these threads until he got a little too pushy and the OP has links to numerous homebrew documents. The Lego poster, Clone era XWM, and Ugly drawfag anons of yore were also met with plenty of praise and/or constructive criticism. Plot hook talk shows up every now and then and almost always nets at least a few replies. New species talk almost never happens, and never gets the "wailing and panic." Numerous anons have storytimed campaigns that went off the canon rails or brainstormed scenarios where pieces of canon change (such as the Vader surviving Endor scenario). For instance, the ongoing story of the party that kidnapped Luke Skywalker has met an almost uniformly warm reception.

>This is just like X obscure thing
Then that anon clearly wasn't posting something new, or hadn't done enough to sufficiently flesh out/differentiate his proposal, if that proposal ever was a thing in the first place.

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>>53223340
>The Fate homebrew guy
>Ugly drawfag anon (at least one of them)
>Plot hook post answers (a surprising number of them)
>Luke Skywalker kidnapped game

What if I told you... I was all those anons. That's me. That's all me. And a few more posts/stories besides. That's how limited the talent pool in this thread really is.

I've been trying, on and off, for months now to get this thread to produce glorious content and wonderful new ideas, but it's just not happening.

People love shouting about empirefags and rebel terrorists and DARK GREETINGS. Arguing about stuff that doesn't matter in any RPG because it's easy. People take the most obvious bait. Even if I do post content it gets drowned out instantly. I try to reply to good posts and I try to answer interesting questions, but people don't ask them.

Anon who created the bingo cards got it right. We just keep going in circles.

My players are about to hit Ord Mantell tomorrow with a stolen Imperial shuttle they need repairs and a new transponder code for so they can pull a Tyderium trick to get onto a fortress world. What kind of crazy shit can they run into on Space Vegas?

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>>53223649
Mini podracing. Tiny droid brains, souped up engines. Racing in populated areas is forbidden and therefore extremely common.

Prostitute Gauntlet. Entry is 1000 gold kublars. You get back 100 gold kublars for every level you complete and there are 20 levels.

Themed bounty hunter gangs. The Westmoreland Raiders, who Raid by Midnight or Your Money Back. The Thug Triplets. Oolong Faloofa and Her Tentacle Tickler. The Evisceration Nation.

A stolen "prototype" starfighter. (10% chance of being real, 90% chance of being dangerous junk).

So much neon.

>>53223649
Drawing more heavily from canon or Legends?

Masque of the Pirate Queen has some good stuff from both, there's also potential goodies left over from when Maul went up against the Seperatists there, or if Legends it was actually a Republic staging area.

>>53218934
>rey
Ha ha ha ha, no

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>>53223715
>>53223729
These two threads are the two extremes of /swg/ in a nutshell.

>>53223649
SHOWGIRLS GANG

>>53223729
All legends all the time, nucanon is space AIDS

>>53223715
>podracing
I had a similar idea when I realised by RAW you can bolt laser cannons onto a podracer

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>>53223754
>RAW

Son, if a RULEBOOK is where you went to answer the question "Can I put guns on a podracer", you need to wake the fuck up.

I don't know what it's like in your head, but it seems like a scary place.

>>53223782
Eh, it's more a combination of the Oggdude builder/GM suite and sheer laziness.

>>53223754
Eh, Nucanon's Shadow Collective was pretty good really, I was just trying to think of which sorts of loot (Confederacy and Mando spoils vs Republic ones) would be available.

And if there would be merchants selling holorecordings of Greivous vs Maul.

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>>53223824
>sheer laziness.

Well, time to fix that, I suppose.

What's the cause? What's got your GMing muscles all flabby?

>>53223907
Running two games a week, I guess. That and I have a pretty big group to keep track of.

I just realised there's probably a lot I can do with the Radical Edward knockoff who made the mistake of sabotaging Cad Bane's droid shortly before he retired here. Especially since she has a bounty on her head; the Zabrak bounty hunter on the team is using his status to protect her, but since he has a bounty too courtesy of the Imperials...

>>53223995
Wait, the who?

Was that the one that Boba was fighting Bane over in the animatic?

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>>53223995
>Running two games a week, I guess.
Ah, your muscles aren't flabby, they're sore. Maybe take it back a bit.

And yes, multiple competing bounties and counterbounties is a classic chestnut.

>>53224047
Nah. New player wanted to make a Cowboy Bebop reference, I pounced on it because one of the best campaigns I've ever ran involved that setting.

But yeah, blowing out Todo's circuits isn't as bad as the backstory one player wanted to get away with: being the only escapee from the Maw before Han ans Chewie wound up there, and maybe fucking Qui Xux before leaving. This idiot didn't realise he wouldn't have Daala hunting him down because she had explicit orders never to leave again, the Death Star novel is at least partially canon in my world

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>Decides to build a superweapon
>needs incredible amounts of raw materials and workers to supplement its already massive requirements for a galactic military
>Sets impossibly high quotas for Doonium mines, doesn't care how governors complete these quotas, leading to increased corruption and poor leadership
>worker safety and quality of life are sacrificed, even so Governors are forced to resort to less than legal means to meet quotas or be replaced
>leads to increased amounts of black market and pirate activity targeting Doonium
>since the Gov. keeps stealing peoples mining operations an entire subset of the economy is ruined
>to cut costs, slave labor is used, as a bonus you can use it to "punish" rebellious systems like Kashyyyk or Ryloth
>slaves are almost certainly worked to death or just executed to maintain secrecy
>winds up turning the populace of many neutral systems against the empire
>explodes almost immediately

why is the story of the construction of the death star so based? do they get into it in the tarkin novel at all? minning guild book when?

>>53224526
Nah, the mining side of the construction is mostly in Thrawn, the Tarkin book briefly has a supply station for the geonosis hyperlane get attacked by early rebels.

>>53215540
My store is just a running a casual tournament so I thought I'd bring a dual Firespray list.

>>53224526
Not in Tarkin. There IS however, quite a bit about the construction of the Death Star in Catalyst, the pre-Rogue One novel.

>>53210889
>has one of your characters been addicted to spice?

My current character is, as of last session, a spice junkie.

>playing a Spy in an AoR game.
>Went to meet a contact on Nar Shadaa to get access codes to an Imperial vault.
>Over the course of finding said contact and getting in touch with them roll two Dispair in three rolls.
>GM rules that I drank a spiked drink while blending in.
>Spiked with what, no idea.
>GM pulls me aside and asks some general questions about the character.
>My character stumbles back into the safe house three days later, higher than Jesus, after having spent the groups entire operation budget of drugs and smug twi'leks dancers.
>Game ended with him locked in a bathroom while he comes down, while the rest of the team comes up with a Plan B.

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>>53225164

>>53210960
When I get my new place sometime within the next three weeks I'm buying his action figure and hanging it in my living room
>Elano Seezebaggano

>>53218934
I thought it was a porn comic by some trash like Jab or something

>>53211495
>Sullust
You mean Sulon
And IIRC that was just Remnant Forces, not Pentastar; they are at the very least Jerec's personal troops

>>53225304
Sulon is the moon of Sullust, and IIRC Jerec was later retconned to be working with Pentastar.

>>53225164
>Entire budget on drugs and smug twi'leks

Damnit autocorrect.

We're expecting a June launch for XWM wave 11, right?

>>53224526
>empire loses
>based

The good guys losing isn't usually a good thing.

Has anybody made an attempt to move the FFG books from Mediafire to MEGA?

Or any way so they don't need to be downloaded individually manually?

>>53223649

>Droid fighting
Everything's legal up to and including blasters. Just dont blow up the arena and it's good. Party can just bet, or hell, if there's a droid player they can enter. Or they can build their own, trick it the fuck out, and make a mint. Hell, stealing and repurposing a couple of gladiator droids could make for some exceptional muscle if they can swing it.

>'Scraping
Basically, climb big fucking buildings in the most built up parts of a city, and then jumping the fuck off. You have repulsor vanes to slow your fall and blip yourself from side to side to try and avoid obstacles - you know, shit like walkway bridges, signs, AC units, speeders, all that. Some just do it for fun, and it's a rush, but some do it competetively.
You get bonus points for 'scraping the 'scraper' (hence the name of the sport), where you basically plummet as close as you can to the walls and windows of skyscrapers.
This is the kinda shit that'd really get you a good reputation with local criminals if your crew were insane enough to try it.

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Bit of a 'project' that I started some time ago and never really finished off as it had no use in the games I was running
Based it off the YB-49 bomber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_YB-49

Then decided to do a civilian version of the decommissioned bomber as a 'Science' vessel... we'll science the fucking shit out of you and you probably wont see it coming!
(ok I just find flying wings kind of sexy)

>>53220291
Twi-lek twink story when?

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>>53225929
Lot of bespoke bits in it, which I figured would add a bit of character. They are kind of horrendously expensive, but also full of goodies which makes it a little different to some of the regular vessels.

So I've been out of the game and loop since Wave 8.

I primarily play rebels, I picked up the ARC-170 and Sabine's TIE, is the U-wing worth picking up?

>>53225618
https://mega.nz/#F!blI01Jga!6uL6fLHF2rJFKDN57E14WQ!j5IXyJza

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>>53222467
THIS STORY
>>53225936
NOW

Chapter 1 of the ongoing smut story I'm calling Thorn Squadron is now complete! A fair warning for those of frail disposition: It gets pretty dirty. And pretty gay.
https://pastebin.com/zVMm6ERp

>>53225973
The U-wing has a good card (Expertise) but from what I heard it's an average ship at best. The Rebels don't have a kick-ass crew option like Emps or Kylo and that hurts it.

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>>53226087

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>>53226087

>>53226087
Pretty good.
My biggest suggestion would be to be a little more descriptive, more detailed.

>>53226087
The most confused boner ever.

>>53225973

Like >>53226142 said, it's good for picking up for Expertise - and maybe some of the crew (They're fairly cheap, but not exceptionally "good") and if you don't have any copies of Stealth Device.

The ship is well rounded, which is not the best place to be in XWM right now. It's not "bad", because you can fit 4 3/2/4/4 PS2s with FCS in a single list and that's some solid efficiency, but it's not going to do better than other Rebel large ships or that ARC which you've loaded to the gills either.

>>53226142
>>53226260
Holy shit, I looked up the single price for Expertise.

I thought I escaped $15 singles by quitting MTG.

>>53226288
Yeah I don't buy single cards except for the Tie Advanced title (fuck buying a whole Raider)

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I see the Empire apologists really can't let it go.

>>53225540
Hah. No. September at the earliest with a pre-release at Gencon in August.

>>53225973
You're going to want it if you play Rebels, it comes with enough decent upgrades. The ship itself is decent if nothing spectacular. Think of it as a slightly better Lambda. You can give it some hilarious action efficiency with Rebel crew and FCS though.

Anyway, Store Champs are now upon us. What lists are you guys thinking of taking? Are you ready to fight nothing but Dengar/Tel all day?

I fought it last week and did rather well. Still lost, but I didn't do horribly. The action economy is just stupid though, and it takes a lot of board space.

>>53226341
>I see the Empire apologists really can't let it go.

Neither can the Antifascist brigade it seems.

>>53226087
Decent, but you kinda missed one of the more important parts of sodomy, y'know the prostate and all.
Also, The squadron leader calls the twi'lek guy by a different name at one point. I'm not sure if that's an error or it's supposed to be his last name, so you should probably clarify that
But this definitely has potential

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>>53226408
If you honestly think the only people who have a problem with genocidal totalitarian fucks are the crazed far-left you've got other problems.

Look, I get why people like the Empire in a certain sense. They have style and cool starships and uniforms. They're well done bad guys. They have some interesting morally complex characters in both the movies and expanded lore. We have similar people regarding the history of Germany's military from WW2. That doesn't mean they follow Nazi German social teachings and call them undeniable moral good.

But you know what? Everyone that served the Empire was a slave. A slave to this guy <<. The Empire was not created to save the galaxy. It was created on the perverse desires of a Sith Lord, who wanted to show that he was the best by resurrecting the old Sith Empire in the skin of its former opponent. So unless you like being some old dude's bitch, I'd recommend you find some other political ideology to root for.

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hey gaiz... umm... i can't get my rifftrax tape to sync up with episode 6 special edition on dvd...

>>53226536
Don't feed this guy, anon. It'll just make him post more and ruin more threads

>>53226474
That's his last name. And yeah, I probably won't go back and change this one too much, but I'll probably write the next gay scene to focus more on that element either way.

>>53226536
Palpatine was the leader the galaxy needed, but didn't deserve. He died in the right fighting a noble yet ill-fated war by his own hubris. Had he lived, I imagine the galaxy would've eventually became the utopia he dreamed of.

Discussing opinions over whole lore is different. Everything outside the movies is pick and choose. If something is there you love, pick it. If not, scrap it. If you're formulating an opinion and outlook of the world and not debating fact, you're free to do so.

I ignore the childishly and nonsensically evil bits of the Empire's EU content, pick the logical and good or logical and even evil content, and put it together. In my point of view, the Empire is indeed the good guy, the side to root for, and the side that should've won.

I'm not debating canon or saying that needs to be canon, I'm saying it's my opinion, and you're very free to disagree.

>>53226760
>everything outside the movies is pick and choose
>EVIL EMPIRE in the opening text crawl
>I believe the Empire are good guys! They're totally not on screen genociding people or anything

I think the right term is cognitive disonance

just a casual "What if" so please don't get triggered or something...

But just curious what the Star Wars Galaxy would look like if Jedi and Sith weren't around? Like the Force is still a thing, but the dominant ideologies of the galaxy, that of the Jedi and the Sith, either never left their respective planets of origin or never came into existence in the first place?

just a weird thought I had...

It totally has nothing to do with both being horrible philosophies that are either self-destructive, or outright malevolent, I swear this is totally unrelated

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Anyone have good shots of Imperial fortifications towering over towns/cities like the old German Flak Towers?

It's a very cool look.

(I know Barons Hed in Jedi Knight, and Kyle's palace in the dark side ending sorta looked like that on a grand scale but I need more, and prefferably better res.)

>>53226760
>Palpatine was the leader the galaxy needed

No, he wasn't. In fact, a good chunk of the reason the galaxy went to shit in the first place is because of him. That is the actual plot of Phantom Menace. The entire Clone Wars was his doing and never would have happened without him.

>the utopia he dreamed of.

What utopia? Beyond everyone bowing down to him as their master? Where the hell did you even get that idea?

>>53226836
Are there any other organized force users? You probably just have a bunch of untrained mystics like Chirrut running around, doing amazing but still technically possible feats. Also the Republic would still exist in reasonable shape because the Sith would have never been around to undermine it.

>>53226949
>Are there any other organized force users?
as far as I know a few species have their own groups of mystics which tap into the force.

Also, I think the witches of Dathomir developed independently of Jedi and Sith.

>>53226949
You ever read that one book that was about how Sheev set the Trade Federation up to invade Naboo, and how he back stabbed his way to senate-ship?
Don't know if it's canon anymore, but it was a pretty good book.

>>53226836
You'd still have plenty of dark siders getting all cranked out and power-hungry, they'd still be an issue. Lack of sith wouldn't change that.

In the absence of the Jedi as we know them, you'd still see a fair number of organizations more like the ToJ era Jedi, mystics and wandering heroes and all

>>53226980
Think Dathomir witches are sort of the result of Jedi that left the order some time in the past

There's other groups like the Findsmen, Matukai, Knights of Zakuul and so on, some of them are canon, other's arent. But thing to remember is that Star Wars is ancient, it goes back 20-25,000 years with some degree of recorded history and there could have been other more prominent and now extinct groups.

>>53227021
>You'd still have plenty of dark siders getting all cranked out and power-hungry, they'd still be an issue. Lack of sith wouldn't change that.
but they weren't nearly as powerful or organized as the Sith were. They may-well be an issue, but likely not a Republic-threatening one.

>>53226949
>What utopia? Beyond everyone bowing down to him as their master? Where the hell did you even get that idea?

Well, yeah. He genuinely believed he was doing the right/good thing and that sometime down the road people would remember him as the galaxy's savior and hero. Whether or not that truly would've happened is up to speculation, since he obviously didn't get that far.

>>53227779
>He genuinely believed he was doing the right/good thing and that sometime down the road people would remember him as the galaxy's savior and hero.

Don't say things like that you can't cite a source for
Palps was bad from an early age, he was evil, he liked being evil and is unapologetically evil until the end of his days.

>>53223137
Ah. So /that/ is what you are projecting onto the rebels! Is the Empire supposed to represent the virtuous ideology you subscribe to?

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>>53223907
´Fuck yea Teemto, always played him in pic related

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Nevermind the snide insistence that anyone who presents a counter argument is motivated by real-world politics, this dingus is making word-for-word Nolan Batman references.
It's a sad world we live in, where Baneposters end up on the side of the road panhandling for (You)s

>>53228332
I'd play "Arms of an Angel" for him but I don't want to get sued.

>>53228332
>>53228496
The Empire's a fictional organization.

READ:FICTIONAL

No one gives a flying fuck whether or not you think they're the good guys. I'm sick of every thread devolving into this.

No one gives a single fuck. No one gives a fuck that you think they're good, no one gives a fuck about your bitching that they're not.

IT'S FICTION. Everything the Empire's done or hasn't done is fiction.

"Hurr communist" for not liking them and "Hurr fascist" for liking them is autism at its core.

No one gives a fuck. Let people like who they want and think what they want. We don't need 100+ posts from faggots whining about them mean Empire lovers and we don't need 100+ posts from faggots whining about them dirty Rebel commies.

Fuck off and grow up.

>>53226341
>Hah. No. September at the earliest with a pre-release at Gencon in August.
FFG said late Q2 though

>>53227030
Any of those make their own lightsabers, or is it a purely Jedi/Sith thing?

>>53220343
>Confederfag
We call it CIS scum.

>>53220749
You might want to compare legal obligations concerning slavery in ancient Rome with the regimes it replaced and the serfdom that followed its fall.

>>53225748
>droid fighting
The Edward knockoff is going to be really upset about that one, droids are her friends. She has a trio of B1s as bodyguards since she can't really fight for shit, maybe this'll be a good excuse to upgrade to something like a droideka or a purpose-built gladiator droid

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>>53228929
Far as I know it was a Jedi-Sith thing made around 2000BBY back in the Old Republic era- or 1000 odd years before the Galactic Republic
Not really adopted by anyone else to any degree, there's always been splinter groups of Jedi that went off and did their own shit for a while, possibly taking the weapons (and more importantly) the knowledge to make them out of singing hippy crystals.

But in terms of a martial art and technology, its Jedi and Sith, who for the most part are the only two groups that ever made it to a galactic scale of importance, the rest are just sort of oddities and anomalies restricted to much smaller areas of influence.

How do you stat ancient beam tubes for an FFG game, assuming Rebellion-era? They're supposed to be more powerful than slugthrowers but with a pitiful 50m maximum range, but I'm not sure what else is needed to make them feel appropriately old and shitty to use.

>>53229252
There was a slightly less ancient wave blaster statted that was basically a disruptor at point blank but shit beyond it IIRC. I may just be nuts.

>>53229266
Any idea on where I can find that item's stat block?

>>53229297
I'm tempted to say the smuggler book Fly casual? Or maybe the Hutt or Hired gun ones. If I'm not just hallucinating from exhaustion.

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>>53229126
I wonder if lightsabers were intended to be those tools of complete destruction in the first place.
Sure they cut through most things like butter, but blasters in SW aren't exactly pushovers either, making flaming fist-sized holes in walls.

If lightsabers were the only thing with that kind of cutting power, you'd think they'd use it in a wide variety of roles (portable industrial saw, for example).

I blame Qui-Gon opening blast doors.

>>53229358
Mining lasers, fusion cutters, and laser cutters do exist in-universe. Presumably they're preferred over lightsabers because they're safer and far cheaper for non-sensitives to use. I can't remember where I read it, but IIRC, using a lightsaber to cut through things like blast doors can also eat up power fast.

>>53229355
The old Greff-Timms pistol is in Lords of Nal Hutta. Bit sad my GM didn't do much with it in the Old Republic game he did, by rights they'd be everywhere among the desperate and poor.

so if the celestials are so powerful...

How come they aren't ruling the universe right now? How come we aren't seeing them running around?

>>53229495
There are multiple in-universe theories on why they disappeared but no definite answers. Maybe the Rakata exterminated them. Maybe they became one with the Force. Maybe Abeloth did a thing.

>>53226341
The nice thing about Justin's list is that you have to be good to make it work consistently. Folks were trying it at the flgs this week and lost every game.

I'm going to try lots of stuff at store champs since we have around 10. First up is empire: Quickdraw, Rexler, and either OL or Pure Sabacc.

I really hope the C-ROC drops during the season so I can fly Sunny or a Gen Red mindlink crew.

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>>53217475

Sadly no, the guy worked on Rogue One and may have put up more on his site... I can't remember his name but am hoping a google image search will find him.

>>53228635
Calm down, man. It's just an Indonesian finger-puppet board.

>>53228635
I vastly prefer empire-fags and rebel-fags to fags who try to call them out.

>>53229126
More like 5000BBY. I know that the lightsaber was invented sometime during the events of one part of the Tales of the Jedi comics, which spanned from about 5000-4000BBY. They were definitely a widely known thing by KotOR, which is about thirty-fifty years after the last storyline in TotJ.

Canonically we don't really know how long lightsabers have been around. The Sith still split off from the Jedi about 7000BBY, though, and most imagery we see from the great conflicts between the Jedi and Sith include lightsabers.

>>53229358
Hmm, kind of hard to say really.
The lightsabre does have a lot of peculiar things to it, like the use of rare crystals, some kind of magnetic effect so that it'll stop another lightsabre, blaster bolts and other kinds of 'Fuck Physics!' things to it.
There is ye olde fusion cutter and the like which are tools in star wars, but they've got none of the properties of the sabre.

It probably could have been some kind of specialist tool for cutting an exact distance through materials, kind of like an industrial laser cutter does today in some ways

>>53230003
Latest canon is 2000BBY-ish around the Scourge of Malachor, but yeah if you go through the old EU stuff its a lot further back.

>>53230006
>The lightsabre does have a lot of peculiar things to it
Like the american spelling of saber.

What would be the best system to run a combat-oriented game set in the Star Wars universe? Interesting gunplay and moderately high lethality? Doesn't have to be dedicated Star Wars- something like Savage Worlds or GURPS would work.

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>>53230216
Not in this damn galaxy you vowel dropping, rebellious vermin.

>>53230256
FFG has pretty good, fast combat mechanics on a personal scale, give it a look

>>53230297
>FFG has pretty good, fast combat mechanics on a personal scale, give it a look
I can attest that with some practice the vehicle combat is also pretty good.

Why is there only the light side and dark side?

It seems fairly simplistic to literally boil down an omnipresent semi-sentient manifestation of life into white or black.

Shouldn't there be shades of blue, red, yellow and other colors?

>>53230605
There's the Force, then there's a tumor growing on it, fed by suffering. They aren't sides of a coin or even ends of a spectrum, they just are.

>>53230605
>only
That's a difficult question to answer. The Jedi, Sith, and vast majority of organisms in the galaxy perceive the Force as light and dark, yes. It's apparently the easiest way to comprehend the Force for most sapients. The Aing-Tii, however, allegedly perceive the Force as a rainbow. Whether their belief is correct, a distinct aspect of the Force, or wrong is uncertain, though. The Aing-Tii are weird and mysterious.

>>53226925
Kejim in JK2
The Imperial bases in Star Wars Rebels
Galactic Battlegrounds for structures
SW: Galaxies
For older inspiration, but one you can still use, SW:ToR

Hey /swg/

Is the Hound's Tooth worth getting for X-Wing? Any particular builds you'd recommend?

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Ran the Liberty MC80 for the first time last night. (List was Xmas Tree liberty, Salvation w/ intel + slaved turrets, 2 BCC+BCs, and some bombers)

Pic related is my overall review of the Liberty.

>>53230984
Yup, it's as subtle as a brick to the face and about as graceful, but it gets the job done.

Slaver w/ Dengar, Zuckuss, Inspiring Recruit, Inertial Dampener

Bossk w/ VI, K4, Boba, 4-LOM, homing missile, scavenger crane

>>53230256
WEG D6 1st Edition

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>>53227007
I'm peripherally aware of it. I'd actually really love a book set before PM dealing with the Republic and how it all went to shit. Of course we're never going to get that now, because normies hate stories that aren't given to them on a silver platter.

>>53227779
Even when Palpatine was resurrected he went right back to building terror weapons that blow up planets. So, what is your source for him wanting a utopia? Genuinely curious here.

>>53228912
FFG lies. Constantly. Don't pay attention to the dates on release articles, ever. They meet them maybe 50% of the time. The ships aren't even listed on the upcoming page. It's going to be a while, sorry.

>>53229650
Good to hear. It didn't help that every time my opponent shot his torps he got 4 natural hits with just GC to modify. I goddamn hate torp scouts and this is just a new version of that really. I'm definitely bringing stress control with most lists I'm going to run.

I've got a really nasty list with Asajj, 4-Lom, and Unkarr. Puts out a lot of tractors and stress, and they stay with Ketsu crew on Asajj.

C-ROC landing would be great. I'm really looking forward to it. Should be out in the next month. Still not that excited about Jabba though. He should have added an illicit slot to ships that don't have them. Then I think he'd be worth the points and restrictions.

>>53230984
Very much so. Comes with some decent cards, like crackshot and glitterstim. >>53231215
Has some good builds. Don't forget the guidance chips on Bossk, they're what make the HM work.

So if you can have a lightsaber pistol...

And if the death star was basically a lightsaber...

Could you have a deathstar lightsaber made of eight kyber crystal focusing beams into one composite lightsaber beam?

and If so, what kind of damage bonus would that apply?

>>53231498
For starters, you'd need at least 8x the power source, so either a long ass hilt or a backpack cabled to a standard hilt. Next, the saber would have to be extremely well assembled so the kyber crystals all line up at just the right angle.
As for a damage bonus, it'd either be 8x the power of a single saber, or the strength of a single saber to the power of eight (don't know how these things multiply in-setting, but seeing how strong the Deathstar was, I'd say it's S^8). Just remember that this thing would be bulky as fuck and liable to malfunction, assuming it could even be assembled without a team of scientists working on it.

>>53231477
Justin's list is 1 fewer torp, but they're both PS9. It's less of an all comers list and more "Fuck Miranda specifically" l since she's everywhere.

Stress and tractors sound oppressive as hell, I love it.

>>53231498
>>53231566
New question: Could one build a ship-scale lightsaber out of 8 Kyber crystals, attach said lightsaber to some TIE variant, and then kill capital ships by flying straight through them with your lightsaber cutting them apart as you go?

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>>53231701
>Ship-scale lightsaber
Behold, the Imperial Inquisitorius variant.

>>53230256
Both FFG and 2nd edition WEG work.

>>53230006
Could you parry a blaster bolt with another blaster bolt (using the Force, ofc)?

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>>53231477
>>53231215

Thanks!

So I'm thinking about getting the Shadow Caster as well; any suggestions for using those two together (or should I not?)

Also how useful is Hound's Tooth title?

>>53231701
Go to bed Raith

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>>53231701
You would crash the ship, until the whole front is made of lightsabers, and the rest is fully armored.

But there's always the Darksaber.

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>>53231498

>>53231911
Shadowcaster is pretty money. It flies fast and can do some bad shit with stress and/or tractor beams.

Ketsu and Bossk flying together is a pretty brutal alpha strike. Fly up, double tractor something, and Bossk fucks it up.

Houndstooth isn't normally worth the points, but it's a fun surprise.

Any good online resources that can help me map out the general layout of a ship/space stations of sorts? Not talking battlemaps scale but like general map of the ship level here

>>53212783

These priests of the whills fascinate me. What do we know about them?

This series of art is Fantastic.

Hey, guys. I'm doing a video per day this week over on youtube. I hope that you'll join me over there if you haven't already.
(Deleted about a paragraph of this post because it was way too shill-y. I want to make it clear that I'm trying to be a part of the community and not some attention-whore)

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>>53215286

Smoke is that kind of evil. He is only using the First order to prepare for the arrival of his army of dark side users (same race as Snoke) from the neighbouring galaxy. It's going to be like an entire army of Emperors instead of just one. First he needs to get proper control of the systems (for easy transfer of power to his dark side soldiers) and destroy any trace of the Jedi. The only way for the portal to open is to have the light go out in the galaxy and that is accomplished by destroying any physical trace of the light side of the force (Luke and Rey). snoke also needs a fully trained dark side user to help him open the portal, hence Kylo but kylo will be killed by Snoke after this is accomplished as Snokes people would never tolerate a human as an equal; enter Kylos chance for redemption. Kylo will end up killing Snoke when he learns of this stopping the portal as the light returns to Kylo and destroying the portal but also killing himself.

>>53233630
That sounds retarded.

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>>53231901
>Could you parry a blaster bolt with another blaster bolt (using the Force, ofc)?

>4:30am physics & awake baby time.

Going off the most up to date source-
>TFA: Incredible Cross-Sections
>A blaster was any type of ranged weapon that fired bolts of intense plasma energy, often mistaken as lasers. Operating under the same principles as laser weaponry, blasters converted energy-rich gas to a glowing particle beam that could melt through targets
Its basically a lot of not-really science, but sort of science and word salad.

The kernel in the pile of shit is that they are a Particle Beam, which thank god is something I'm a little better at than plasma interactions... but there are quite a few different types of particle beams. However, lets digress.
Particle beams are mostly dependant on how concentrated their little high speed particles are, if you have two of them which are a low concentration, then there's unlikely to be any interaction, a high concentration of particles hitting the same type coming the other way, that gets a bit more interesting.
When you get enough of them belting the shit out of each other, you'll get an event where the one with the most energy will cause some interaction which changes the nature of the other particles, they might go explode into several stages (quark to bosun to electron to positron) or if there's an angle involved, then it could change the direction of the particles.

But the factor here is say, you're rolling a bowling ball into an 8ball, bowling ball wins
Rolling 2 x 8balls at each other, they bounce off and lose a lot of energy, change direction etc
The thing you take to your GM is-
>Can I function and react at very close the speed of light?
>Can my blaster overpower a similar blaster?
>How much sting will I take out of a more powerful blaster bolt before it smashes me in the face?

Generally that is way too much shit to bother with at the gaming table because it makes people cry tears of agony

>>53233630
>Snoke is Gul'dan
source?

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>>53233630
>an entire army of Emperors
Oh goddammit not again

>>53215286
>This is true. The Empire is evil, the guys in it aren't necessarily so.

I'm confused about that logic of that though. I'm not trying to bait, I'm actually curious. I see it posted frequently. I agree with the sentiment, which is why I have beef with some of the more obscure or silly EU content that shows the Empire basically kicking alien puppies and cackling about it because they can, being an ultrainefficient and petty squabblefest because it can. Space opera or not, I just find it dumb.

There are definitely some well-written evil dudes in it,but many dudes who aren't evil, and some dudes who could even be considered truly good. For that reason I like to think of the Empire as altogether cloudy, a dark grey maybe. It's easy for us to look at it and see its actions in a few games or books and think they're either misunderstood good guys or super evil bad guys, but we really can't fathom the scale of it in our own minds.

We're talking about a truly gigantic government. I don't think even the massive governments like the Imperium from WH40k can compare to it. It's an Empire that controls an entire galaxy with trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of people. The movies, EU, and Newcanon combined, we don't even see probably 10% of the entire galaxy, its workings, the Empire, and the Rebellion.

I believe it's unfair to judge things in an entire universe based on that, which is why I hold off on judging both sides as good or evil. The Empire leans towards evil, but we do see a lot of neutral and a few goods in there. The Rebellion leans towards good, but we do see a lot of neutral and a few evils in there.

Don't burn me at the stake for this, but I do enjoy moral ambiguity. I believe when dealing with a civil war of violence and bloodshed on a scale of Star Wars it's important to know that neither side can ever truly be a hero. Regardless of their motives, they're going to have to do terrible things to win.

>>53234501
I think my point is I enjoy looking at things in dramatic fiction, sci-fi, fantasy, what have you, with a lens of moral shading. No true right, no true wrong, but numerous shades of good, okay, neutral, eh, bad. I find it to be the more compelling type of fiction and storytelling, and I get why some people love simple motives and simple good vs. evil. I'm not knocking you for that or saying you can't enjoy it, it's just not what I go for.

That leads me back around to the question: if the Empire is evil, but the dudes in it aren't necessarily, why is the Empire evil? An organization is nothing without people to work for it, so if the people working under it aren't evil, how can the entity itself be evil?

Palpatine, I suppose? His morality's been debated enough. If you do believe he's a pure evil monster, then yeah, the Empire has an evil leader, but even an evil leader or incompetent leader or good leader doesn't make an organization itself any of those things, in my opinion.

People cry Hux or any variation of -fag or briing RL politics into it, but I think it's a very interesting discussion that's relevant to /swg/ thanks to the RPG. Some of us play in games where we do interact with and deconstruct the Star Wars galaxy. We have characters with motives and ideas and beliefs. We have our smugglers and thugs, we have our wisecracking Rebels, we have our dutybound Imperials, we have our bizarre aliens and fun stories.

Discussing themes of in-universe affairs, especially the politics and morality of the most common and famous conflict that parties find themselves in, is a worthwhile discussion to me.

>>53231901
>Could you parry a blaster bolt with another blaster bolt (using the Force, ofc)?

Look up the Gray Paladins. They do exactly that, they're an offshoot of the Jedi that use blasters instead of lightsabers.

>>53234501
>>53234568

It's explained in several sources, most recently IIRC in Lost Stars.

There ARE good people serving in the Empire... but the leaders? They're a bunch of self-serving assholes with little moral compunction, and if you want to rise in the ranks beyond your average cannon fodder and office clerk, you've got to at least share some aspect of that attitude that the upper ranks have.

Likewise, while the Empire itself did not have any specifically racist laws, those in the upper ranks tended to be racists and from Core Worlds, so they tended to apply unofficial and horribly racist doctrines that you had to follow and agree with to really gain their respect.

>>53234501
I think most people who complain about the Empire being "inefficiently evil" lack an understanding of the priorities of a totalitarian state. If you carry out atrocities you need to justify them to the members of your organization. In an organization based on arbitrary power rather than rules and regulations the number one quality you seek in a subordinate is loyalty (not competence). One of the best ways to promote loyalty is through ideology, and so the ideologically orthodox are likely to have an easier time rising through the ranks. And some of those ideologically committed officers really do drink the cool aid and implement it zealously, which in turn results in atrocities for dubious reasons.

If you look at the Soviet Union during Stalin's reign you see all kinds of examples of ridiculous, dumb, inefficient and pointlessly evil things being implemented through this and other mechanisms.

>>53234568
If a neutral man does evil deeds because the structure he's working in is evil, does that make him evil? I think it does, so I think the Empire is by necessity evil, even if its not made out of 100% evil people.

Like there's a story from legends about Baron Fel where he and the capital squadron he's in get an order to completely glass Nar Shaddar. He has misgivings about it, tries to argue about it, but ultimately resigns himself to doing it. Fortunately for the Baron, the operation goes south and the Hutts fend off the Imps, so he never has to pull the trigger. Still you had an arguably good man, given an evil order, from evil superiors, in an organization where this kind of genocide is willfully and knowingly carried out, and he was going to carry out that order. To me that is the perfect example of good people in a bad system, doing bad things.

>>53234568
>if the Empire is evil, but the dudes in it aren't necessarily, why is the Empire evil?
It has to do with the nature of bureaucracy. The guys at the middle/bottom simply don't matter beyond being cogs. Them being good or evil (for the sake of simplifying this into a binary thing) has no sway on the upper echelons. The higher up imperials are more evil than not ( I know, I know, a fair amount of generals, etc were ambiguous or outright good, but the majority of the tippity top of the Imperial pyramid were baddies). Because the upper leadership is mostly evil and the Empire is a total bureaucracy the fact that there are good guys serving down below (for what they might believe is a greater good, or for other personal reasons that don't matter in the grand scheme of things) does not matter to the overall morality or goals of the Empire as a whole (Morality = Evil. Goals = Subjugation)

>>53234730
>Glassing Nar Shaddaa
>Glassing Hutt territory
>Evil
On the one hand, I don't usually support planetary genocide. On the other hand, it's Nar Shaddaa and the Hutts. The only place that would be more tempting to glass is Bothawui. Fucking Bothans.

>>53234712
>>53234730
I think it's important to differentiate pure evil from pragmatism or misguided evil, however.

Even with the Soviet Union's numerous and horrendous crimes, there was a motive behind them. The Soviet Union was backwards as could as and would've been eaten alive by any other modern nation in the state they were in. Sure, Stalin just wanted power, but perhaps he believed that the end would justify the means, and industrializing the country and slaughtering his adversaries would save lives in the future.

I find the Empire at least marginally less cruel than that sort of regime, but there are of course events of mass killing like Alderaan. However, I do like drawing a line once more between characters doing evil things because they want to be evil, or because they think it'll justify the end outcome.

The Empire believed destroying a planet that was admittedly supporting the Rebellion in every possible way was worth murdering millions of Imperial loyalist civilians. The whole idea of the Tarkin Doctrine was to instill fear in dissidents to prevent war.

Was it still evil? I'd say yes. There were better ways to handle it than blowing it up. However, I don't think it was the cackling puppy-kicking evil kind, but the pragmatic end-justifies-means evil. Maybe Tarkin believed destroying Alderaan would save lives in the future and prevent the kind of bloody war he'd seen firsthand in the Republic's days?

That's the kind of storytelling I like. Sometimes, actions can indeed be evil, but the motives behind them and why a character would do such things can be very interesting to consider and explore.

>>53234730
>>53234838
The sad thing is if given the opportunity to glass an enemy of theirs the Hutts would do it in a heartbeat. The Empire may have selfish and asshole leadership at the top who want to serve themselves, but at least there's more than them in it, and their goals are at least somewhat focused on order. The Hutt leadership truly is nothing but self-serving and they only want to expand their criminal organization. Even its members are either criminals, addicts, ass-kissers, or slaves/mercenaries working for pay or no other choice.

Fuck the Hutts.

>>53234952
>Fuck the Hutts.
I would literally rather fuck a Wookiee.

>>53234952
Certainly, fuck the hutts, but glassing would be flat-out unnecessary and kill a lot of innocent people (slaves mostly), when targeted bombardment could kill all the hutts and wreck all their shit with significantly less collateral

>>53235754
>>53234838
I have an idea. Why don't we drop thousands of tons of sea salt in a continuous rain over Hutt worlds, melt all the Hutts with minimal collateral damage, and then just relocate all Hutt "Client Races" to not-shitty worlds?

>>53235754
>>53235784
Problem is the Hutts are almost a literal plague. They're very hard to kill and they have the money and connections so that even if they die someone somewhere else will act on their behalf for money. If you kill a ton of Hutts there will still be more that will come after you. Their hands are everywhere. Glassing is extreme and regrettable but it may very well be the only way of truly stopping Hutt Cartel planets. It's why even the Empire was more lax on them than not. Starting a war with the Hutts means their agents across the galaxy in nearly every civilized planet will suddenly become your enemy. They're even more widespread than the Rebellion, and while the Rebellion does many questionable or downright bad things, those are usually restrained and cause some shame rather than pride.

The Hutts do things of cruelty and murder with absolute glee.

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>>53235784

>>53235784
The problem is the ensuing power vacuum. The Hutts hold a massive market share in the galactic criminal underworld. Imagine the violence that would ensue from all the other factions fighting to fill in the void. The casualties would be immense.

>>53235854
The hutts' overwhelming belief in their own superiority makes them really vulnerable to targeted attack, though.
Especially if it involved mass-scale simultaneous hits.
If, say, the 500 top hutts from the biggest clans ALL got a thermobaric warhead down their chimneys at the same time, while additional attacks whacked large concentrations of their goons
There'd be utter, utter chaos in their ranks and massive fragmentation that would do enormous damage to their remaining infrastructure.
The thing is, their whole setup is meant to defend against law enforcement, not a military response.

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Played my first match of Imperial Assault in a 4 way team game last night. I took Luke, Obi-Wan, C-3PO, MHD-19, a set of elite Saboteurs, a set of elite Hoth Troopers, and the 1pt upgrade that gives you three extra command deck points. The guy I clashed with the most had nuVader, an E-Web, 2 probe droids, and a set of Heavy Troopers. The other two guys locked each other up in a corner, where the guy on my team massacred our opponent's Wookiee swarm with IG-88, 4 HKs, and a Nexu.

It was shockingly refreshing to go into a skirmish game blind to the competitive meta, but it seemed pretty clear that Luke and Rebel Saboteurs are goddamn amazing. Obi-Wan's kamikaze run into the E-Web was fun, though I get the feeling his sacrificial role might not be so great in a competitive game.

If I were to mix up that Rebel squad for future games I'd say the Hoth Troopers and Obi-Wan would be the first options to cut. White dice are love, white dice are life

>>53237184
Was it Jedi Luke or Farmboy? Sabs are solid, Obi is a cheap melee dude, Echos are tarpits that can put on some hurt.

>>53237583
Farmboy Luke, I don't think we had Jedi Luke in the pile of expansions. The Vader player was briefly steamed when informed that Saber Strike has built-in Pierce 3 after I cut down a stray injured Wookie through a perfect black roll.

My only problem with the Echo boys was using Front Line for the red die and then missing a probe droid at Range 2, otherwise they did pretty well up until Vader made contact.

Is the imperial army non-canon now?

>>53235878
> The casualties would be immense.
> implying that's a bad thing
The only good criminal scum is dead criminal scum

>>53237743
>Implying huge numbers of civilians, prisoners, and slaves wouldn't get caught in the crossfire

>>53237743
>>53237760
You have to weigh the cost of your own manpower in dealing with the problem compared to civilian losses. It's harsh but it's war.

It's why the U.S. nuked Japan twice, because in our minds 200,000 civilians was worth 1,000,000+ of our own soldiers, along with heavy Japanese military and civilian losses too.

It's why Alderaan went kablamo. Two billion something lives, probably less than 100 million or so being non-Rebel affiliates, was considered worth it to spare countless Imperial lives in an attack on Alderaan and to suppress a war that would and did lead to far more than 2 billion casualties on both sides, and many civilians on both sides as well.

Whereas Japan worked, Alderaan didn't, unfortunately.

I do think that if it came down to it and no other option was possible, totally destroying key Hutt worlds would cost a great deal in the present, but imagine all the deaths and enslavements they directly contribute to over time, and the war that would break out if they were invaded. Billions may seem like quite a bit in the current time, but over a five year period the removal of Hutt influence would likely save twice or more that amount in lives, either to outright death, drug addiction, or slavery.

The idea of obliterating your enemy and forcing them to surrender through full retaliation or massive attack planning is very, very complicated from a moral standpoint, and from a military standpoint as well. You weigh in far more factors than just the current loss of life to determine whether or not it is worthwhile.

Decisions like glassing Nar Shadaa, nuking Hiroshima, or kabooming Alderaan don't come easily.

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>>53237868
Do you have a legitimate compulsion to type out the same essay every time someone mentions "civilian casualties" in a Star Wars thread?

>>53237868
>discussing final solutions to the Hutt problem
>MUH HIROSHIMALDERAAN, MUH ACCEPTABLE LOSSES
Truman pls, we're busy here

>>53237981
>>53238020
he's not wrong though

>>53237868
That seems like a deeply questionable premise when just a few decades ago there was a galaxy spanning war with planets changing hands all the time so it can't be that hard especially when compared to the fortress worlds of the Clone Wars. The Empire can also achieve total space superiority wherever they desire.

>>53238305
The Empire, at least, has no reason to fuck with the Hutts. Their relationship with them is mostly one of mutualism. Numerous Moffs cut deals with them. Moffs take bribes and turn a blind eye, while the Hutts presumably keep the scum orderly.

>>53238444
Oh no I was attempting to dispute the "countless Imperial lives" part of episode 222 of Trying to Justify the Genocide of Alderaan.

What could make a sith and a jedi work together?