/CofD/ & /wodg/ Chronicles of Darkness and World of Darkness

>>53201155
>What are your thoughts on the new info about the next iteration of WoD?
>glad there's no Kuei-Jin
>baffled by the direction of werewolf
>shocked by the fact they want to shit out 40 books
>indifferent to vampire mechanics changes

what ever happened to all those Dark Ages bloodlines that are never mentioned in modern nights? did they just die out? Can they be used?

>>53201155
The random chance to frenzy going up is much more annoying than any blood resource.

Totally losing control is too big a deal to be doing that. Any time it happens you have a better than even chance of dying or doing something that later gets you killed and there's no playing around the new development like a parodox - part of the development is that you can't do anything about it at all after it starts.

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>>53201211

>But how does that make the Masquerade even more important?

Maybe because vampires are more prone to frenzied feeding or whatever the hell it's called, now that they don't have a gas meter, as WW called it, to know when they're about to run dry?

And I really doubt that they're going to make the Nosferatu appear as normal humans. That'd defeat the whole fucking purpose behind the Clan.

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Also, anyone else pissed that they're transitioning to using photoshopped images for the most part instead of actual artwork for the upcoming WoD books?

>>53201050
>I've been doing medieval-sword-to-the-face-with-barely-any-backstory stuff

You could always run a hack-n-slash Werewolf game.

>>53201247
It's furry captain planet with body horror and gore and a dash of yiff.

>>53201305
>did they just die out?
Maybe

>Can they be used?
cf. Time of Thin Blood

>>53201650
>featuringdantefromdevilmaycry.jpg

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>>53201764

I don't get it.

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>>53201813

old white wolf artwork consisted of tracing DMC3 art work.

>>53201864
How the fuck weren't they sued?

>>53201155
>What are your thoughts on the new info about the next iteration of WoD?
It's to be really bad, I totally lost any interest on it

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>>53201864

So what is >>53201650 traced from?

>>53201155
>The 2nd Inquisition ties in with the Technocracy AND Pentex
Seems a bit dumb desu

>>53201891

Probably some porno, Greg Land style.

>>53201914

Seems straight out OP as hell.

The vampires and werewolves don't stand a fucking chance.

>>53201650
>Using Potency to boost your leap range so you can jump to conclusions
All we know is that it'll involve photography, not that it'll be photoshopped images.
For reference, all the chapter art in Lore of the Clans involved photography. Same for Lore of the Bloodlines. And V20 core.

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So why did ww feel the need to double down on the retarded factor of werewolf?

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>>53201925

>All we know is that it'll involve photography, not that it'll be photoshopped images.

This is White Wolf we're talking about, creators of inspiring "artwork" such as these.

>>53201924
>The vampires and werewolves don't stand a fucking chance.
C'mon, let's be real. They never really did. I actually don't terribly mind vampires and werewolves being the supernatural equivalent of the working class.

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>>53202036

Yeah, but that was before the 2nd Inquisition started up and is supported by government agencies. Before, they could slip under the radar and the splats didn't really crossover all that much. Now? It'll be a fucking disaster.

>>53201925

>For reference, all the chapter art in Lore of the Clans involved photography. Same for Lore of the Bloodlines. And V20 core.

You say that like it's a good thing.

>>53202000

That's a Tim Bradstreet piece, by the by.

That's almost certainly why they're transferring to photos, cause then they can keep Tim on board the art department.

>>53202000
>dem trips
>>53202082

It could be worse.

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>>53202090

>That's a Tim Bradstreet piece, by the by.

Yes, and? Just because it's someone who used to do good work in the past doesn't mean they should be kept on for shitty self-inserts by WW staff, such as Elricsson.

>>53202090
>>53202115
They should just say "make good art or get out" for this guy, seriously, his art is terrible now

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>>53202184

What, you don't like poor attempts at cosplay with instagram filters and a photshopped background?

>>53202247
wtf is this supposed to be? A Kiasyd?

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>>53202303

Yep.

This is a True Brujah.

>>53202341
This one is offensively bad.

Did Tim just got lazy or he really think his "art" is good?

>>53202518
desu I think everyone working on V20 is just phoning it in

>>53198579
...That's a white woman with a tan you fucking nigger.

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>>53202560

The odd thing is that every now and again there's decent artwork to be found in the 20th Anniversary pack. So it's not that they're incapable of getting it done.

>>53202610
>implying the problem isn't the fact she's a bloated whale

I think that 5e is going to make M20 and dirty secrets of the black hand look like masterpieces.

I'm so over oWoD now

>>53202668
same. Hopefully we'll get decent vidya out of it.

>>53202760

>Hopefully we'll get decent vidya out of it.

Given that White Wolf will be involved with that, I kind of doubt it.

I mean sure, WW was involved with making Bloodlines to some part, but for the most part it was Troika that made it so fucking enjoyable and replayable, even 13 years later.

>>53202801

What I mean to say that the White Wolf as it was back in the early 2000s is different from the White Wolf of today.

>>53202801
Bloodlines also had Activision going against. I'm surprised that game survived, built an insanely dedicated fanbase and ultimately survived the test of time

So Karsh IS Jalan Aajav right?

I mean, it's almost 99% a sure thing, but I'm wondering if someone from WW officially confirmed it

>>53202881

Yep. They forced Troika to release the game at the worst time possible and with only the beta version of the Source engine.

>>53200850
>outright removal of archmages
>This and nerf normal spheres too, to make mages balanced with other splats

Mages don't need to be balanced you dumb shit. Archmages are thematically mandatory for Mage both old and new.
Vampfags being special snowflakes as usual.

>>53203077
If they are gonna take all the metaplots and throw them into a blender then mages are going to be balanced against the other splats so they don't get completely slaughtered by the Union. I'm in favor of pax arcanum being imported and steeper paradox penalties rather removing archmages and gutting spheres like vampfags want.

>>53203077
Arch Mages are not needed for anything actually.

>>53203175
Unlimited power and hubris being core themes, I am going to have to disagree with you.

>>53203173
>so they don't get completely slaughtered by the Union
worded that badly. Intended to say so other splats won't get slaughtered by the union

>>53203173
kek

Your precious princes of the night will never be safe. Mages will never be balanced.

>>53203258
Not a vampfag. Unless ww completely gut the effectiveness of the Union and turn them into a Saturday morning cartoon villain we might as well pack it up and move straight to 6e where metaplots are more seperate.

Mages aren't going to be balanced. Wizards are above the rest by design in CofD, I imagine it's the same for OWoD.

And really, why should everyone be on the same tier?

>>53203289
I'm not arguing that mage should be brought to vamp level or even that their raw power should be touched. But something has to be done with archmages in One world of darkness or else there's no reason for archscientists to not delete the other splats after some paperwork gets submitted in triplicate. Again, importing the pax is the most elegant solution to this.

>>53203289

As someone who plays with DA:V and VtM, they shouldn't. Splats aren't really supposed to crossover much, barring the occasional stuff like VtM and WtA, and whatever Hunter: The Reckoning has crossovers. It was, IMO, never meant to be a straight up contest, because there is no contest, because the Technocratic Union alone can stomp the everliving shit out of everything else that's not part of Mage: The Ascension.

WW now trying to actually the splats balanced with each other is just going to kill any fun that is to be found in playing the individual splats on their own.

>>53203356
OWoD Archmages (most at least) don't care enough about Earth, they're too busy being tyrants off in the cosmos.

CofD Archmages are more intertwined with how the Fallen world correlates to the Supernal. The Pax is a given.

>>53203361
>WW now trying to actually the splats balanced with each other

They're not. We barely even have any sufficient information.

>>53203419

>The lines will work together

I can't imagine they'd straight up put VtM next to MtA as they are in their current state.

>>53203404
You do know vamps and woofs will be directly against the Union in 5e right? If a single archscientist gives a fuck it's game over for them.

WW can't learn from their mistakes.

If they decide to go with more metaplot shenanigans things will go really REALLY bad.

>>53203466

I fully expect this to be the case.

>>53203466

>WW can't learn from their mistakes.

Yep.

>The 2nd Impergium is underway with the Garou finally having presumably listened to the Red Talons (and presumably grudgingly accepted the Ratkins purpose) that humanity must be stopped. Werewolves have realised that Gaia is almost dead.

Like how does this work? How the fuck do wolves convince anyone that it's a good idea to go up against modern-day humanity in a straight up fight? How the hell do they imagine surviving bombs dropping on their territory? Not to mention biological weapons and God knows what else.

And that's without involving fucking Pentex and the Technocratic Union going against them.

They have literally no chance of survival.

Whoever thought this was a good idea and then approved it should be shot.

>Technocracy going full ham
>Werewolves going full retard
>Vamps going full thinblood

Is One World of Darkness, dare I say it, the biggest RPG blunder since D&D 3.5?

>>53203541

Biggest RPG blunder would be the way the Blood War was ended.

>>53203496
>How the hell do they imagine surviving bombs dropping on their territory?

They don't. The rationale is basically that fighting is better than not fighting.

>>53203788

Isn't them fighting and Raging all the fucking time what got them into this position to begin with?

Maybe after getting their ass thoroughly kicked they'll finally expel the Red Talons

>>53203802
>Isn't them fighting and Raging all the fucking time what got them into this position to begin with?

Yeah, which is the tragic part. They're just at a point now where their options are "fight back and die, or lay down and die."

>>53203818

>implying the game won't be primarily focused on saving humans from the Red Talons agenda

I bet the Black Furies will only be saving the women.

>>53203915
Nah, it's pretty clear they want to do a Camarilla-Sabbat thing.

I'm guessing it's going to be like

>Impergium faction: Red Talons, Get of Fenris and antitribu
>anti Impergium faction: Silver Fangs, Shadow Lords, Children of Gaia, Glass Walkers, Fianna, Black Furies
>independent: Bone Gnawers, Silent Striders, Stargazers, Uktena and Wendigo

>>53203902
>too retarded to breathe
>tragic

>>53204161
Stupidity is the greatest tragedy of all.

>>53203541

D&D 3.5 sold like hotcakes. I suppose we'll see if 5e is the hit White Wolf is hoping for. If it gets even close to 3.5's sale numbers, they're set for the next decade.

>>53204344
>I suppose we'll see if 5e is the hit White Wolf is hoping for
hahahahaha.

40 books being developed at once?
Complete overhaul of the blood system?

It's a disaster just waiting to strike

>>53201155
>What are your thoughts on the new info about the next iteration of WoD?
The 90's were a mistake.

I don't visit the white wolf forums much but are any of the proposed changes to the new edition things the fanbase has been demanding?

>>53204420
>Complete overhaul of the blood system?

This is the part that's lost me. While I acknowledge that blood pool has its faults, the concept of a vampire using the blood he or she feeds on to fuel the classic vampiric powers is one of the things that I always really liked about White Wolf's take on vampires.

>>53201953
Because swedish dracula is an out of touch hack.

mages > you

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>CofD will now be closer to WoD than WoD

Autumn > Winter > Spring > Summer

>>53204534
Changeling fags, eh?

Is there a difference between the Freeholds as of 2e?

>>53204550
I meant Courts

Could a PU 10 Uratha take on a BP 10 Elder?

>>53204581
Maybe? There's a lot of variables here.

>>53204581
Irrelevant. What matters is that a Gnosis 5 Master can kill them both in one go.

heh
problem?

>>53204469

No, actually.

>>53204625
>gnosis 5
>he thinks gnosis has any bearing on a mage's power
>implying a master wouldn't get btfo depending on his arcana
>implying that master's are anywhere near as powerful as archmasters

kek

>>53204640
>5 gnosis
>mastery
>mudra
>rote

Of course, anon.

SHITPOSTERS BEGONE

Personally, I find it hilarious that most werewolves in W:tA were basically radical liberals, because that is what d&d players are most afraid of.

that and girls

So what are some reliable ways to defend against being Unmade by a Master, since you idiots keep bringing it up.

>>53204725
Girls aren't real. They're made up things. Like unicorns, or the perfect wave.

>>53204730

suck the master's dick

>>53204730

Be a Master and Unmake them first. That's about it.

>>53204730
Avoid Masters.

>>53204754
>>53204765
>>53204767
Is there seriously NOTHING you can do? Isn't it Withstood?

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>>53204753

>>53204632
So why are they proposing the changes then?

>>53204797

An exceptional success can overcome Withstanding, and by the time you're a Master, there's ways of making sure you can get those most of the time.

>>53204797
>Isn't it Withstood?
It can be, but Masters can get Exceptional Successes very easily, and those explicitly allow the Mage to bypass Withstand.

>>53204808

To make the game closer to the Creative Director's take on the WoD.

>>53204730
Don't start shit with a Mage sufficient to give them reason to kill you, same as you don't directly antagonize a powerful Elder, cockslap an Idigam, or try to stab your Keeper.

>>53204842
>Creative Director's take on the WoD.
A shitty LARP with even worse writing because its based on shitty players in their exclusive pay to play club?

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So is Dracula ruining Vampire now?

Mage and Werewolf too.

>>53201155
>What are your thoughts on the new info about the next iteration of WoD?
And before today I thought By Night Studios changes were bad. This shit will probably make them look good by comparison.

Also there goes all my hope of ever seeing a deccent mage book. This 5e shit just screams the same boring flat 'sameness' that By Night Studios has shoved into every game.

Given that swedish dracula only cares about vampire and larp I shouldn't be surprised he'd trash all the tabletop lines.

>>53204933
>So is Dracula ruining Vampire now?
Very poorly, but yes.

>>53204933
More than anything he neglects it while living out his LARP fantasies on Paradox dime.

>>53204946

You'd think after Exalted they'd have learned their lessons about letting Swedes run anything.

>>53201155
>The lines will work together but whether they will be balanced to play together is unclear even to them at this stage. Nevertheless I am sure they will try to do so, for now they focus on what they need to develop.

Good to hear that WW doesn't even know if balance is a focal issue.
Because it just isn't. and never will/should be.

>>53205775
>company makes several games with hubris as a central theme
>gets demolished by their own hubris

It's like pottery.

>>53201155
I think Dracula is hell bent on 9/11ing this fucker right after takeoff.

>>53203496
>>53203361

I thought Pentex and the Technocracy disliked each other, especially after Pentex absorbed SPD and agents and enforcers investigating them ended up disappearing.

Also, if the Technocracy is seriously attempting to push Climate Change, wouldn't that make a group of Captain Planet villains their natural enemies?

>>53206059
You have to understand that the Technocracy is pure evil. Modern civilization and science in WOD is a twisted travesty of the human condition. It's why they treat a bunch of Euthanoi bumping of Isaac Newton as a good thing in Mage. People would be happier and better off if it abandoned technology and returned to its roots.

>>53206059
Only 1/4 of the Union hates Pentex.

Pentex isn't powerful enough to challenge the Technocracy as a whole, so uses sneaky shit to undermine the Syndicate.
The other Conventions would gang-rape the Syndicate if Pentex leaked their information.

>>53206059
According to the revised books, the Syndicate just decided "fuck it, they're still sending dividends, we've got bigger fish to fry".

But yeah, killing every team sent to investigate and taking from them an entire bloody methodology? That would still get them pretty fucking pissed.

>>53206059
Climate change only exists in Mage as a Technocrat conspiracy to grab more power through Big Green tech, kinda like how vaccines cause autism is real and anti-vaxxers or anti-medicine Jehova Witnesses are heroes. Mage basically takes the stance that most conspiracy theories out their are true, and that the Technocracy is behind them. It also takes the stance that what we'd consider crackpot or outmoded theories to be true. Take the Sons of Ether, who believe in Phrenology and Hollow/Flat Earth Theory. It's also why the Traditions purposely spread climate change denial, anti-vax propaganda, and other anti science beliefs, and are heroes for doing this.

>>53206116
I always considered the Technocracy as worse then the Nephandi. Nephandi are going to do evil because they can't help it. The Technocracy knows what its doing is complete evil, but does it anyways just because they're greedy and sadistic.

>>53206200
That really hasn't aged well.

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>>53206200
So what Mage faction would he be apart of?

>reads the 5th Edition spoilers

Holy shit, that's awful. Where is this stuff from?

>>53206344
New World Order

Spreading lies where it's needed.

>>53206288
It's still canon though. You gotta put a barrier up and separate yourself from the modern world. It's kinda like DnD and how societies of genetically violent, backstabbing, disloyal chaotic evil sociopaths can somehow function efficiently enough to pose a threat to good societies. It's just better if you don't think of all the holes, like the fact that the evil society should collapse from no infrastructure or agriculture ever getting done because half the workers have backstabbed the other half by the end of the week, or how there would be a generation collapse because mothers are casually killing their infants for fun/evulz.

>>53206379
Also, I'm trolling around some non-4chan forums. I found some further info:

I am actually at the event, and sat at the keynote. Whoever provided that summary seems like they are reading in to things a bit too much. Or maybe they managed to drag off the keynote people for a more quiet talk after the event. I did see them lunch with attendees later.

For example the 2nd Impergium seemed more like something that is on the table now, but hasn't started yet. And the new inquisition was hinted to have some mage backing, but it wasn't outright stated that it's the Technocracy or Pentex or whatever.

But I'm a very casual fan at best, so maybe I missed out on some of the implications. Only thing I really found myself apprehended by was the middle East stuff, which seems a bit hamfisted. But then the scenario competition here also had two separate Syria related entrees.

I can try to answer some questions later when I'm winding down at the hotel in the evening, just keep in mind that I'm not super knowledgeable about the history of the game. A friend just dragged me here for some fun p&p stuff!

Will post more as it gets listed.

>>53206490
>Listening to casuals from SA
I don't actually have anything else to say, I've been trolling around the same places hoping for more concrete info.

The 5e beta information will be the first real concrete info on how much of a disaster this is going to be. Fucking custom unique dice sounds like a disaster, even if it plays out well mechanically, Requiring different types of dice is stupid.

>>53206531
The whole 'hunger die' makes me think of the Wild Die from d6 Star Wars honestly.

>>53204907
It seems so.

>>53206484
This is one of the biggest misunderstandings of D&D lore and alignment that I have ever seen.

>>53206484
DnD lore always makes me laugh. Orc parents are so evil that they'll eat their own young, listening with relish to the squeels and cries as they bite into their child's flesh, even if they have a ton of food from their latest raid. Of course, Orcs pop out so many offspring that that attrition isn't so much of a problem for them compared to a slow breeding, long lived race like the Drow.

>>53206569
Elf games suck even under optimum understanding of the super done to death Tolkien setting.

>>53206484
>half the workers have backstabbed the other half by the end of the week
Most evil societies in DnD handwave it by having slaves do the day to day shit.

>>53206569
Lore like "evil Drow fetuses who cannibalize their siblings in the womb" would disagree with your point.

Too many campaign settings for D&D to really judge it.

Mystara is easily the most whacked setting it ever produced.

>>53206484
IDK, the metaplot is my main hangup with everything oWoD. I tried to get into v20 but the Caine story is just goofy but not in a fun way.

>>53206383
Yes, that's why he worked against the Technocracy backed candidates (Jeb and Hillary) to get Trump elected.

Really though, mage was written in the 90s, and isn't as pertinent to the modern political or philosophical landscape as it once was. Trying to tie 2017 to Mage as written in the splatbook isn't going to work.

>>53206490
>For example the 2nd Impergium seemed more like something that is on the table now, but hasn't started yet. And the new inquisition was hinted to have some mage backing, but it wasn't outright stated that it's the Technocracy or Pentex or whatever.
>we're weak, small in number, and have glaring vulnerabilities, I think it's time we wage war on the most dominant species on the planet and all their allies
unfortunately this is totally believable for the garou

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>>53206629
>Lore like "evil Drow fetuses who cannibalize their siblings in the womb" would disagree with your point.
Don't forget that they rape one another in the womb before eating each other. Drow are hardcore like that.

>>53206629
>3.5
>and Forgotten Realms at that
>implying this is universally true of D&D

>>53206586
>>53206586
>the super done to death Tolkien setting
>the setting

t. 3.5babby

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So I have 3 character concept for a mage who lives near the sea as a fisherman, diver, surfer but I don't know what path:

Acanthus concept:
She reads Fortune and Divines through the ebb and flow of the waves, the water currents and the ocean winds which are ever changing. Messages in a bottle sent out
to sea arriving at the perfect time for the person who is meant to read it. The sea can have blessed calm waters for safe travel and maelstroms of doom that codemn travllers. Water in its fluid form is a symbol of change. Arcadia with a nautical twist filled by merfolk fey and alien underwater vegetation sprawling everywhere.

Moros concept:
The sea is the land of the dead. It is filled with remains of dead microrganisms like coral and detritus that provide shelter and nourishment to many of its inhabitants. Many souls and civilizations have been lost at sea and forgotten. Many lost treasures and wealth lie deep beneath the ocean forgotten. The vast amount of salt prevents the water from giving its life sustaining properties and causes corrotion and decay. The shore is a symbolic boundary of the living and the dead. Stygia is seen as an underwater resting place with sunken city ruins and the dead, and other ghostly apparitions are static melding with the sand and salt.

Thyrsus concept:
She lives her whole life and being with the sea. The sea contains a diverse array of flora and fauna. All life originated from the sea once so it is the great mother. The seas cover most of the Earth making it home of countless spirits courts of the sea and coast. She speaks with creatures of the deep both whether they be physical and immaterial. She augments her body to survive the rigors of the deep sea and even shifts into forms of local marine wildlife. The Primal Wild is seen as a vast ocean filled with countless marine creatures and spirits beyond imagining. Enormous living coral and seaweed compete to survive. Leviathans and Krakens swim about.

>>53201155
>Art will involve much photography

Just what I need to immerse myself in the dark, sensual World of the Night: photos of their pudgy, overdressed, sporting horrible facial hair pet LARPers.

>>53206824
Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk are the most popular and default settings. Sure you, could bring up Eberron where they're still antagonist, but nowhere near as bad, but I could bring up Dragonlance, where they're even more nonsensically evil.

Would it be Spirit or Life for a mage to reasonably get a good study of what's happening when a werewolf transforms?

I want to see what happens if you forcibly magic a death raging one back into human form. Do they keep raging but way less effectively? Who knows!

>>53206934
DESU, a lot of the people in at least the BNS books are professional models. Not sure about the OPP books.

>>53206948
You probably need both to get a clear picture.

>>53206982
What grade would a spell to forcibly induce a form change in a werewolf be you think? Spirit 3 or 4 with a Life option on it?

>>53206885
The Moros one sounds neat.
Especially when you consider exactly how many submerged ruins have been found.
And how many Ghosts must exist in the sea, bound forever to the anchor of their sunk vessel...

>>53206948
Either Life or Spirit sight could get a good idea.
However to get the full picture you'd probably have to perform...
Interviews.
Experiments.
Vivisections.

I had an entire plot line about that.

>>53207211
I could see an argument for the Practice of Weaving using both Spirit and Life, as you're triggering an innate (but currently locked off) property of the Werewolf, rather than transforming it into something completely different.

Withstood by (their increased) Stamina, and opposed by a Clash of Wills as their natural shapechanging powers would probably try to reflexively shift back to Gauru in its state of rage, rejecting this "unnatural" change.

>>53201155

>Blood Pool is gone. It was described as a gas meter and thus not very sexy. In its place is an elegant and well thought out system relating how you choose to handle hunger to the likelihood of frenzy. You will have composure as a resource. You can opt to spend this when faced with a situation where you want to resist doing something eg feeding at the sight of blood. If you spend it however you get a red hunger die or more in your pools (for probably all your rolls) which will act to increase your chance of entering frenzy. If you dont, you do something you dont want to, avoiding compulsion, but you will have more composure when the chance you frenzy comes up, and less hunger, meaning less likely to frenzy.

But I just want to increase my Str stat?

>Vampires will have two looks, one for the mortal world and one for Elysium

I can't fathom what does this mean or how is this relevant while discussing anything.

The rest, eh... That's one way to advance the metaplot. Though I rather liked that WoD20 made away with it.

>>53201864
>Hunter the Vigil
>DMC£
>old white wolf

Negro I was playing Donkey Kong Country 3 on my SNES when the first Vamprie books were considered old white wolf.

>>53204456
>90's nostalgia is a mistake
ftfy

>>53207330
>>Vampires will have two looks, one for the mortal world and one for Elysium
It sounds like changelings mein and mask. Which sounds retarded and LARP-y for vampire, giving you a shit civilian costume or a weird actually vampire costume.

I don't even understand how everything they said could be this bad... At least until i remember that a fucking LARPer fanboi is in charge of WW now.

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Have any of you guys watched sens8? Its pracrically begging for a minor template a la hurt locker, any ideas?

>>53207537
It seems like it would make for a boring game given that every scene focuses on like 1 person. Might be interesting for a 1on1 game, but for group play it sounds atrocious.

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>>53207537
>"The show aims to explore subjects that its creators feel have not been emphasized in many science fiction shows to date, such as politics, identity, sexuality, gender and religion"
Pass

>>53207587
>that its creators feel have not been emphasized in many science fiction shows to date, such as politics, identity, sexuality, gender and religion

I mean, what sci fi have they been reading? You can argue a lot of shit does it ham handedly or disagree with conclusions but sci fi has a long history of tackling social issues through blatant metaphor.

>>53207606
The creators were responsible for the Matrix sequels, its not surprising they are wrong about things.

MOAR STUFFS!

- every gaming format will get it's appropriate rulesets (good)
- the Sabbat is definitely doing something in the Middle East, but I don't think they're behind the wars, per se
- Martin dubbed it as "welcome to the new Dark Ages", meaning that the global organizations are giving in and much more isolated city-states are the norm (hmmm)
- the Cam was forced to re-evaluate it's "everyone in" policy and effectively gave the streets to the Anarchs which are bound only by the 1st tradition, the Masquerade. Now, the Cam is more like an elite club, for which you'll get to be a member if you behave well and the main theme is "the privileged few against the unwashed masses" (I'm undecided on this whole thing, it could end in a more flexible setting, but one of the main things which differentiated Masq from Requiem was the global organizations instead of isolated clusters and I hope it'll remain to an extent, although I'm not necessarily against some curbing back)
- the works of the art director lady seems good and she was in the same role during the MMO development and I liked those concept arts, so I really-really hope it'll be good. Obviously they're thinking that having a very strong visual identity is very important, which I can only nod and wait hopefully.

>>53207665
>a very strong visual identity
Aka shit tier photoshops instead of original art.

>>53207665
>- every gaming format will get it's appropriate rulesets (good)
The only thing that makes me weary about this is they will make a bunch of rules forced into one metaplot where character actions and powers don't actually match up with how they work.

>>53207703
So, like it's always been?

>>53207760
Yeah, but worse, and more nonsensical because a LARP is steering the boat.

More stuff is now being posted about the 'Elysium/street' identity, which is pretty much anyone who LARPs is what it was assumed: you don't fucking walk around in lace and a frock coati n public for a night out, you do that at Elysium. Good, enforce the Masquerade, kick the stupid LARPers who can't genre appropriately in their heads. And I say this as a LARPer.

>>53207860
Too bad it probably won't deter hippopotagoths from dressing in disgusting misfitting outfits that make them as disgusting (if not more) as the average nosferatu.

>>53207860
But why do you walk around in lace and a frock at Elysium?
Why does it need to be specified in the rulebook?
I suppose some vampires have two (or several!) sets of clothes, but I don't think their identity as vampires depend on that detail.

>>53207955
Yeah... With the exception of super out of touch elders, everyone should be wearing contemporary clothing... Not out of style attention grabbing 90's goth wear, except maybe in some very specific places.

>>53207985
I can't wait for rules imposing dice penalties on vampires wearing the wrong pants.

>>53207955
As someone who LARPs, it kinda depends. Sometimes Elysia are places where mortals will be present. Sometimes it's more private areas where Elders can let their old memories flow in and dress in things that are more comfortable to them. It's one of those weird 'here's something that's an RP tick for Elders' and such things.

>>53207998
Or mandatory LARP dress codes printed right in the rules...

>>53202975
I always thought of bloodlines as a sort of a test piece for the new sengine.

Where can I find the guidelines to create a sabbat enemy vampire of discrete power? (8-9th gen)

System talk by Karim:

- aside from what we already know, he actually mentioned the ideal possibility of satisfying many different gaming styles, from freeform/diceless to adding many layers of detail. (this could be good, if implemented successfully, I'd love it, but I'm not sure how they want to do it. WotC promised the same high-modularity with D&D 5e and not quite delivered it at the end. Still, I'd be okay with a simplistic core, if, for example a more detailed "combat handbook" will follow.)
- dots remain, d10s remain (people love d10, possibility of custom d10s)
- quite possibly fixed target numbers, counting number of successes for level of success (okay with that. Fiddling with TN has it's merits, it's flexible and gradual, but NWoD and SR 4e-5e went for the fixed TN for a reason)
- simpler conflict resolution, ideally with 1 roll
- should be 90% percent compatibility with statblocks in the old books, new people should understand those easily, or play by the old rules if you like and using statblocks from the new books
-I'm actually started to be getting sold on the new hunger mechanic's concept. It's more risk-management than resource management, which is good, though I'm still not sure how you suppose to fuel supernatural powers this way.

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>Vampires will have two looks, one for the mortal world and one for Elysium

Dafuq?

>>53206344
Sons of Ether. How else do you think he developed the formula for SUPER MALE VITALITY?

>>53208322
Guess it really annoys Dracula when he sees all those dumb LARPers not understanding the meaning of the word "masquerade".

>>53204534
Summer > Autumn

>>53204730
I'm not sure Mages can Unmake enemies they can't see (unless they use Space/Correspondence.) If you have a big sandstorm or fog obscuring your position that could be helpful.

>>53206200
The problem with the Hollow Earth is the Shell theorem.

>>53208581
>I'm not sure Mages can Unmake enemies they can't see
Depends on if Sensory Range can extend to magically enhanced senses, like using Forces to see body heat or Mind to detect consciousness, or whatever the spell for seeing Auras is called, I forget. Is it just Aura Sight? I don't feel like it is.

I wonder. How would a blind Mage be able to cast spells on enemies?

>>53208637
Magic

Shouldn't 10 BP mean more than 5 Gnosis?
Why is it so easy for Masters to one-shot everything?

>>53208637
Sensory range extends to auditory and (maybe) olfactory senses. You can cast your spell to read someone's mind while overhearing their conversation from around a corner.

Plus you can always just use an aimed spell with an AoE large enough to hit your target, knowing their general direction, once you've been informed by an unveiling or knowing spell.

This is another reason why I want to know if you can anchor a spell's area of affect around something/someone. For example, blind Mage with Space casts an indefinite "knowing" spell, informing her of what fills up the space within an set area around her, granting her a perpetual bubble of spatial knowledge, such that she can sort of "see" without vision.

>>53204730
Having good Health. Most aren't going to be able to pull off enough to kill you in one shot. Having them need to do it in three drastically increases your chances of killing them before they can do it.
Otherwise be unsensed is a big one, they'd need Space to get you then.
Destroy their foci or make their yantras unusable/penalized.

>>53208693
It does. It just doesn't mean more than 5 dots in an arcana.

>>53208724
Mages can dish out some of the most damage in a single go, compared to the rest.

Having good health will rarely be enough.

Q&A:

- Corebook will only has the core 7 clans (or no clans, just rules and the Cam book will have those? I'm not sure, but might be, since they'll came out simultaneously). Anarch book will have thin-bloods. I guess the Sabbat clans will come with the later Sabbat book. Independents will come later too, probably. Hmph. Not my favorite idea, those clans are staple of the setting. How could you do Europe without the Giovanni, the Tzimisce? I somewhat fear that the reason might be that they aren't figured out how to sync those clans with the new rules systems, like we discussed in earlier threads about the "you are what you eat" thing (which curiously didn't get mentioned so far).

>>53208693
They found if they used Blood Potency (or whatever) for Withstand, mages could never do shit to supernaturals. So they went with resistance traits which are almost always low.

10 BP isn't something to laugh at, with Physical Intensity they'd be able to one shot a mage.

People on /tg/ don't understand how mages work, and think they work a lot smoother and more powerful than they actually do while playing

>>53208693
Equivalently experienced Templates don't necessarily stand on equal ground(s).

>>53208666
To expand upon Satan's entirely correct, if brief, answer here, a Mage can use magic to compensate for their blindness. Whether it's just recreating mundane sight through a Forces Knowing spell (Knowing spells deliver information directly to a Mage's mind, hence the name and distinction from Unveiling iirc, and light falls under the purview of Forces) or something more fancy. I think that in 2e you could just get your sight restored by a Lasting Life spell. Or if you want to avoid dickheads dispelling it, you could get an imbued item equipped with said spell. Your mentor would probably take care of this for you, either with their own magic or through Consilium connections.

>>53208746
This is starting to sound like a CofD with a new (old?) coat of paint

>>53208766
Yes, but when a Master has an Unmaking "Death n' Doom" Rote (I wonder what he's been doing) on top of a specific Mudra it's not going to take much to garner an Exceptional Success and score a one-shot on the BP 10 Elder.

Even Adepts and under are great at ending threats before they even begin, whether it be contingencies, preparation or superior improvisation/versatility. I'm amazed by the amount of ease a mage has when locking his/her enemies down.

>>53208746
>they aren't figured out how to sync those clans with the new rules systems
And yet they have time to write 40 books

>>53208854
>Yes, but when a Master has an Unmaking "Death n' Doom" Rote (I wonder what he's been doing) on top of a specific Mudra it's not going to take much to garner an Exceptional Success and score a one-shot on the BP 10 Elder.
Do you read "full Potency" to mean "as much Potency as needed to kill the target" ?

>>53208913
It only moves up one potency.
>>53208854
>Yes, but when a Master has an Unmaking "Death n' Doom" Rote (I wonder what he's been doing) on top of a specific Mudra it's not going to take much to garner an Exceptional Success and score a one-shot on the BP 10 Elder.
5 death, 5 gnosis, 5 mudra skill
do 9 agg damage in one turn, no prep
show me your math

>>53209014
>5 death, 5 gnosis, 5 mudra skill
>do 9 agg damage in one turn, no prep
>show me your math
Are you just unaware of unmaking? Damage has nothing to do with it, on an exceptional the spell isn't withstood. Its a one shot kill on anything with 3 successes. No matter how many health levels they have. Hell if you really care you could just up the potency to 10 and roll 5 dice to do it without the exceptional.

>>53208854
I think this is what could be house ruled. The chances of a Master managing to accumulate an Exceptional Success can potentially reach 90% and further. You're basically a one punch man wizard.

If the chances are slimmed down a bit, they won't be able to reliably kill anything in a single go.

>>53209049
Unmaking spells to destroy characters are always Withstood, you have to beat the resistance.

>>53209162
Not with an Exceptional Success, no.

It bypasses Withstand.

>>53209079
I don't honestly think that's a problem.
You're fucking power stat 5, and have advanced one of your powers as far as it goes without Archmastery.

Let them have their jollies, and eventually become unplayable as they keep killing and are driven Mad.

>>53209162
Every thread there is one of these people, and every thread they don't actually bother to read any posts. Its probably just the same shit posting troll every time.

Gnosis 5+
Arcanum 5
Mudra +6
Rote
8/9/10-again

I am actually somewhat disturbed by the many ways a Master can munchkin rolls, and how easy it is to get an Exceptional Success.

>http://anydice.com/articles/new-world-of-darkness/
Update the charts using the above and it gets crazy. Exceeding 90% is a nigh-certainty after a certain point.

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>>53209301
You:
1. Are a motherfucking Master
2. Have Gnosis 5+
3. Are using a Rote you have personally, specifically created, requiring you to have cast that spell many, many times
4. Have peak-human knowledge in a skill, and are drawing upon that supreme knowledge to make your will known

No fucking shit you're powerful.

>>53209301
>I'm shocked by the fact that a minmaxed character is really strong
>In a system intended for narrative games
Get this, man: Water? It's wet.

>>53208746

>no Lsaombra
>no Tzimisce

Fuck this shit.

>>53201155
Hey /CofD/, new to Storytelling werewolf. Any tips, hints, or stories about games you've run or played in?

>>53210237
Dont

Does anyone have Cursed Necropolis: Rio? I wanna see the new Merits.

>>53211319

Sssshhhh, the magefags are asleep.

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8 billion hours in MS paint

So... have you guys seen the Forum post for the V5 system here?
Like... i don't fucking know man.
>No blood pools, rage, etc
>Beckett's journal is core meta material
>Vamps have everyday wear and Elysium wear
Like... i want V5 to be good, but holy fuck do i lose faith in this fast

> http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-classic-world-of-darkness/1017563-world-of-darkness-berlin-2017/page3

>>53211319

Still waiting for Dark Ages: Vampire Companion 20th Anniversary myself.

>>53211830
I don't even play Vampire, but even to me some of these stand out as nonsensical or just bad. More crap photograph "art"? Getting rid of blood pools because they aren't "sexy"? Over 40 books in development? For what? And from the trailer that Netflix documentary won't do a lot to endear them to people who are unfamiliar to the games. Vampires will have superhero costumes but the Masquerade is more important than ever? So why don't they just wear regular clothes all the time? And Anarchs have been folded into the Camarilla? What the fuck? Working towards one game system for 5 different games? I don't enough to properly comment on the rest.

I pretty much prefer CofD as a setting and I've gotten into some mean-spirited arguments with WoD fans, but I genuinely feel bad for them now. The future is not looking bright. Truly it will be a World of Darkness.

>>53211952

>More crap photograph "art"? Getting rid of blood pools because they aren't "sexy"?
>Vampires will have superhero costumes but the Masquerade is more important than ever? So why don't they just wear regular clothes all the time?

This is what happens you let a LARPer design your game.

Hold up i just realised something
Nowhere in the news link is any mention of Hunter
Where is my Hunter the Reckoning?

Why is WW neglecting the only good game they made?

>>53211984
No, this is what happens when you base your work on twilight rather than nosferatu

>>53212272

Hunters will probably be part of the 2nd Inquisition.

It looks like Wraith is gonna be in the best position to avoid the shitstorm that 5e is gonna bring.

>>53213443

And Mummy too.

But mostly because both of them will be completely forgotten.

>>53213456
>when being forgotten is the best thing to happen to your gameline

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>>53209981
>abloobloobloomuhstupidspeshulclans

>>53213521

>u mad

No, I'm disappointed.

>>53213652
I'm sure you'll eventually get your Sabbat book showing how those clans have evolved in the wake of the Gehenna Wars and stuff.

>>53213749

I just don't like this "all the Elders, especially Sabbat Elders, got called to a Beckoning in the east" bullshit.

In a way, I kind of get it. If the Sabbat really wanted to break the Masquerade they'd wait for one of those live TV shows and throw in a frenzied shovelhead in there to fuck things up for the Camarilla.

But I still don't like how neglected the Lasombra and Tzimisce were. Hopefully we might get some more solid information on that in the coming months.

>>53202641
>implying that being fat was not a sign of wealth back in the middle ages

>>53213796
Eh. They were never part of the 'core Camarilla' and it feels like they're trying to wing back a lot of the 'LOOK HERE'S A CLAN THAT DOES THIS THING WE THOUGHT WAS COOL!' angle of stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if we never get a full Sabbat book, except as antagonist blocks and writeups after their brainfucking during the Beckoning. Massively powerful Sabbat who diablerized to high levels as a narrative enemy against the ancilla and neonates that seem to be the focus of the new game.

>>53203286
Given that the Union were the only faction that even made sense in their text-based video game, I doubt it

>>53213911
Vamps might as well be extinct in 5e if the Union is gunning for them and are competent. What the hell is ww thinking?

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>>53213931
Because it's fucking set dressing? God, all this mage vs. EVERYTHING shit is getting REALLY old.

>>53206255
>implying uplifting humanity is evil
yes, science is bad and we should all live in New Age communities worshipping the Great Mother

Right, so I see a lot of shittery about noWod here

But I think we need to keep the following in mind:

The overwhelming strength of the Technocracy is probably not something most players even give a shit about, and the devs probably know this. The audience of oWoD, back in its heyday, was overwhelmingly concerned with Vampires above all else, and it seems the devs are willing to bend the metaplot to suit what they think would make for a more interesting vampire setting.

>>53213931
The Beckoning is really a technocratic device to lure vampire elders out of their hiding places and eradicate them

>>53213931

Don't forget about the Garou.

Apparently someone thought another go at the Impergium was a good idea.

>>53214149
Garou are doomed even without the Technocracy on their tails. Modern humanity is more than enough.

>>53206200
Where the fuck are you getting any of this? Citations now.

>Any version of WW/OPP
>Making the protagonists climate change skeptics.
>Ever

I mean really, niggger.

>>53201155
Any clue if we can get our hands on the pre-Alpha playtest circulating in Berlin?

>>53214360
They said it'd be released a couple of weeks after WoD Berlin. So I'd say by June.

>>53214372
Since when does 4chan wait for groups of people to organically release docs...?

I'm disappointed

>>53214462
Because they probably won't allow people in the playtests to take pictures with their phone cameras?

>>53214372

Weeks? I though it was supposed to be right after the con.

>>53214554
The only thing they said was 'soon after'. No specific timeframe, could be one day, could be two weeks. I'm optimistically thinking a couple weeks to get anything last minute in.

Do you guys think Memes affect the Dreaming? If so, how?

>>53207330
Best case scenario - Other supernaturals' powers work more like mages, and can be used at will but with certain risks like frenzy or the like. I already plan on "house-ruling" this in for my games.

But with blood pool gone, i don't see how that will work, because blood would work like quintessence - to prevent a fuckup.

>>53211952
As a mage fanboy who liberally borrows ideas from the "other" gameline in each game, I just have to wait and see how badly they fuck this up.

>>53211319
It's in this mega:
https://mega.nz/#F!rFIDxRRK!IEzkLlroRoPwmDqtxKRMsw!HJAExaaJ

Do people think that no matter how much they fuck up 5e, people are still going to buy it and make it a success, so we will get force fed shit for years after?

Has there been any acknowledgement from nWW that people generally hate the new pics with filter images?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvwroDSLO3E&feature=youtu.be
Here's the V5 presentation.

>>53215057
troll

>>53215025
Apparently the video linked >>53215119 talks more about the 'blood die', in that any that come up a 1 in your pool (blood die representing hunger) requires you to spend composure to quell the frenzy, and more blood die = more composure spent = more likelihood of frenzy.

Very similar, in a way, to Beast Traits in the LARP versions of Masquerade. I can see why they're pulling away from a 'gas meter' as they put it, though it'll make some concepts weirder, unless bigger powers drop more blood dice into the pool.

>>53215146
I'm sorry, I've only been awake for a half hour. My bad, I misread.

>>53215172

And the new Metaplot is seriously crazy. It's like some bullshit crossover edgefest i would have written in high school.

What i can't get my head around is the proposal of a "new impergium" without the Traditions and even some Marauders turning on the Garou.

The Technocracy or Inquisition cooperating with each other, let alone Pentex, is asinine.
The Technos and Traditions uniting to kick the shit out of a Neo-Impergium Garou Nation is more believable, and last time they did something like that was WW2

>>53215307

Worth considering: you don't need to use the whole metaplot. I doubt most people do, even you probably have been picking and choosing the whole time.

>>53215307
I doubt WW's concern is 'ZOMG VAMPIRE STs ARE GOING TO USE MAGES TO WIPE OUT ALL VAMPIRES!!!!!' asinine bullshit discussions that you morons get into here.

>>53215436

I imagine that becomes harder to achieve when the metaplot wants to be multimedia and wants constant player input on where it goes.

>>53215575

I dunno, I think the exact opposite - as there's more metaplot, one has more things to pick and choose from. For example - imagine some guy decides that Lima, Peru is still a Camarilla city, and fleshes out how there's no Anarch street control/Camarilla background control there. I can then easily lift it, modify it slightly, and apply it to other cities - or the whole world.

Besides, it's not like a big multimedia presence has prevented people from throwing out DnD's metaplot. Who actually plays in Faerun, honestly? Maybe it's just me, but I'm interested in a functioning system above all else.

It's funny to watch rpg.net lose their fucking minds over this. A singe line teaser about how the Sabbat has set up shop in the middle east and is fucking with everyone has turned into ZOMG VAMPIRES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MIDDLE EAST CONFLICT.

>>53216015

Sabbat is the sword of peace.

>>53215436
Indeed, I chose to pick up Requiem. :^D

>>53216015
NODDISM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE, SHITLORD!

>>53215880
>Maybe it's just me, but I'm interested in a functioning system above all else.
We'll have to see if they actually make one first.
Even if they do I imagine most players will just excise it and use it to run games with the old fluff, because a lot of these fluff changes are balls to the wall retarded.

>>53216015
>>53216233

STOP SHOVELHEAD-SHAMING!

What is the best game to play hunters?

>>53216490
Blue book WoD Mortals.

>>53216587
Where can I find it? I'm sorry I'm a newfag to World of Darkness.

>>53216673
You'd be best off getting the Chronicles of Darkness core book. It has the rules for bog standard mortals, a bunch of mertis based around magic and psychic powers, a good monster creation system, and the 'base rules' for everything. You can also add the 1e book Antagonists to the mix for additional things like a bunch of monster writeups and ideas, and a zombie creation system that is my favorite thing ever.

As far as where to find it? Do you want a physical copy or a PDF copy?

>>53216705
I can probably find a PDF now. I was confused on what a blue book was and couldn't find it in the MEGA.

>>53216747
No worries. Some of us oldbies used to reference the books by their color, since each of the NWoD/CofD lines has a distinct color scheme to their books for each line.

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Or this one?

>>53216913
This one is the cover of the Widow's Might fiction novel...

>>53216923
Actually both of these are covers for the Tremere Clan Novel Trilogy, books 2 and 3 respectively.

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>>53216946
>>53216969

I feel very silly for not checking those, but they weren't listed in the sources section of her wiki page. Thank you.

>>53215436
>expecting people to be reasonable

>>53216490
Hunter the Reckoning

>>53216981
>>53216981
I just google-reverse searched them, so it wasn't that difficult, but you're welcome.

>>53214328
I think they're avoiding it, but it does fit with the overall themes. There is a virtual scientific consensus on climate change, which means the Technocracy would really be shilling it.

>You may have heard about a new global cyberattack on the news today. According to numerous open-source reports, this attack is impacting organizations in as many as 16 countries. This new strain of ransomware, called “WannaCry” (also known as WCry, WanaCrypt and WanaCrypt0r) has spread quickly all over the world, causing crises in National Health Service hospitals and facilities around England, and is gaining particular traction in Spain, where it has hit multiple banks and telecommunication providers, a natural gas company, and an electrical company. It has been reported that a large number of U.S. organizations have been hit. As of this afternoon, at least 1,600 have been infected with this strain of ransomware in America, compared to 11,200 in Russia and 6,500 in China and had spread rapidly over the course of several hours. It is general consensus that as far as ransomware attacks go, this is “the big one”.

So what did the VA mean by this?

>>53217065
> implying its not an it x falseflag

>>53217065
Sounds like something stupid a Glass Walker would do to me.

>>53217065

Probably a massive coodinated attack on multiple constructs.

>hospitals
Clearly trying to shut down medical facilities. Progenetor medicine causes birth defects, autism (because autist have no souls), and death after all. Much better to go seek your local Verbana druid. If a few sleepers die, well, that'll just break society's trust in biology even more.

>telecomm
Takes the Void Engineers and Syndicate down a peg. Hopefully, sleepers become less reliant on them.

>natural gas and electric companies
Aren't the trads anti-climate change? Wouldn't they want to fuck over clean energy since it's just another Technocratic ploy? Also, the sleepers should be less reliant on Technocratic energy anyways. The Cloister can just literally pray refrigerators into working.

>>53217051
Well, there's a number of ways that could be handled. For example, perhaps climate change was originally a Traditions plot to make Sleepers rebel against Technocracy technology. However, by the magic of the Consensus climate change then became a real thing; thereby despoiling the natural world and making Sleepers grow closer to technology.

That said, I'm not confident they'd handle the topic in a good way.

>>53217472
Yeah, but there's a lot of people out there who do believe that climate change consensus is a global plot by evil scientist to become rich, more powerful. or cause an economic crash to destroy civilization. Sounds a lot like what the Technocracy is in Mage.

>>53217528
There's a lot of people who believe that trannies are a communist plot by evil scientists, Jews and lizard people from the centre of the earth.

But they'd never make a chronicle where trannies are a Technocracy invention.

>>53217573
>lizard people from the centre of the earth.
That's something that the Sons of Ether believe.

>>53217573
target manipulation of people who's children would be important, by making them self sterilize for their own fe-fes? i got my next unknown armies plot.

What conspiracy theories have you used in your games?

V5 playtest is done at WoDB. More is incoming over the next couple of hours, though NuWW stressed that it's not even a full alpha yet.

>>53216078

Yeah that's fair, really. I just didn't really like the basic building blocks - the clans/bloodlines/covenants - as much as what oWoD has. Couple that with me genuinely liking the vampire and demon ONLY metaplot and that's why I stuck with oWoD for so long.

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>>53217671

>mfw I live in Tübingen and could have gone but didn't know this was happening

Will there even be a difference between common monster hunters and proper Hunters?

>>53217051
This is a world where Technocratic "innocent until proven guilty" law and order is evil and inefficient compared to extrajudicial preemptive Euthanoi thread-cutting.

>The information that the Tradition uses to make its judgments, while vague at times, is highly accurate. Not infallible; but then, no means of judging is infallible — you do the best you can with the tools you have. The thing is, the tools at the Euthanatoi's disposal arguably produce “false negatives” far less often than the “Law and Order” system encouraged by the Technocracy. This is a world where magick works; so when a thread-cutter says that he's seen a burden of bad karma on a person and that that person is going to cause untold suffering if he's allowed to live, he probably knows what he's talking about.

>>53217954
>>53217051
So the Technocracy is working with the Woofs to end global warming with the traditions trying to collapse everything resembling stability, as per usual?

What annoys me most with this whole update (other than the god awful meta plot) is this removal of blood points (and other currencies in other games)
Like
How am I to power disciplines (like thaumaturgy)?
How am I to raise my physical stats in combat?
How will I bloodbound or ghoul?
Like... Good lord

And on a related note, it ignores It's own ingame canon. Characters like Dr. Douglas Netchurch and that Tremere professor he keeps in contact with (on mobile, forgot his name) specifically mention blood points and give it some kind of in-game naming (something like variable blood potency, or something).
Why would they not only change a pretty core part of the game, as well as a canonically admitted part of the game... For something as dumb as.... Composure? How is that different from self-control?

>>53217773
Sure, one's more incompetent than the other.

>>53218070
Its not, its just renaming something unsexy into something else unsexy. Weather it actually plays out as fun is yet to be seen but...

>How am I to power disciplines (like thaumaturgy)?
>How am I to raise my physical stats in combat?
>How will I bloodbound or ghoul?

The over simplified rules may do away with many extra bits that can't be accurately represented in a LARP is my guess.

>>53217992
No, they're apparently buddies with Pentex in the new lore, which doesn't make any sense. Pentex has mailed the heads of Syndicate enforcers back to the Technocracy and even absorbed one of their research constructs, not to mention that the Progenitors wouldn't like how Pentex pollutes drinking water and causes sickness with their products, and the NWO wouldn't like how Pentex lobbies governments.

Pentex and the Technocracy are like China and the US. They absolutely despise one other and are trying to undermine each other, but they can't directly act against the other without fucking everything over.

Also, the Technocracy would hate the Garou too. So basically, it's in their interest not to get involved.

>>53217954
Meanwhile, the Technocracy took upon themselves the duty to find "insurgent' people and brainwash them. Remember, that this is an absolutely subjective decision by the technocracy - who should think what and how. But nobody asked them to do that, you know? Sleepers already have their consensus and ability to enforce it or chose a different path, and they don't need tough police to brainwash people for the believing something different. Brainwashing people for thinking different is tyrany far worse than anything the Euthananoi does.

>>53214328
Aren't the Trads the one who are pouring all the money and resources into challenging evolution and pushing young Earth theory?

Fuck em.

>>53218157
How is brainwashing worse than arbitrary murder committed in line with your ancient religious cult? Hell, brainwashing can be fixed, the permanent alterations to the wheel of fate Euthanatoi do can't be.

>>53217699
That's completely valid. I'm not from an abrahamic religious background so much of the meta-plot that referenced biblical stuff completely confused me.

>>53218070
It looks like they're going to a more narrative concept, which I guess we'll see how goes. The concept of Composure as a resource is, apparently, tied in with the 'blood die', which as you get hungry they get added to dice pools of what you're doing, and if they come up 1s you frenzy unless you drop composure to stop the frenzy. It's highly likely that the concept will be 'if you activate this power, add 1 blood die to your pools' or something of that nature.

Also, the Vitae Efficacy Unit is the name of the quantified blood point.

>>53218125
Nah, representing blood is easy-peasy in LARP; most LARPs just use tear-off tickets, hand them to the ST as you spend them for stuff, get them from an ST when you go feed. This actually makes things HARDER in LARP, as you don't roll scads of dice and so having a 'blood die' is not something I can see modeling easily.

As I said upthread, the concept of the 'blood die seems to be borrowing from Beast Traits, which accumulate as you do bad shit, and your beast wants you to flip out; the more beast traits you have, the easier it is to Frenzy.

>>53218488
I didn't mean the blood points being hard to represent in a LARP, I mean actual more fantastical elements like lure of flames that are left entirely to narrative descriptions seem likely to be pushed out of the system. At least that seems to be how they've done things so far for the LARPs they ran. Gutting powers near in their entirety.

>>53218378

Ah, that might be it. I was raised Muslim, and then Christian, so I "got" most of it as soon as it was introduced.

I especially liked the Ashirra and what they did with Mecca, wish it played more of a role in future books

So any changes coming up for Ascension 5e?

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Requiem's art was not as bad as I feared.

>>53218552
Ahh, I get you. Yeah, the conceptuals around things like Convention of Thorns and the other hypersex-and-drugs game in the mental asylum were weird. THey are trying to integrate nordic larp stuff which will go over well in Europe, but not in the US. Which is why we have By Night Studios for excellent mechanical updates, so we can say 'fuck off' to NuWW's touchyLARP.

>>53218585
What does that mean? Mecca is the muslim city right?

>>53218614
Archmages are being removed by Swede Dracula

>>53218688
They were removed by the Avatar Storm in revised anyway...

Have they said what they'd do with the Ravnos? They were always one of my favorite clans, but given the Week of Nightmares I'd assume they're relegated to bloodline status at this point.

>>53218663
The Ashirra were the Dark Ages Camarilla-equivalent in the Middle East. Yes, Mecca is sort of the capital of the Muslim faith, and here's what was going on in Mecca as of oWoD:

http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Keening_(VTM)

>>53218614
There's a little mentioned in the bits about what mages are doing in relation to vampires and werewolves, but not much else. Ascension 5e is probably barely in development.

>>53218625
In general Requiem's art, and most of the core WoD mortals line had generally pretty good art.

Reminder that Dracula said that the Apocalypse already happened (global warming lol) and Gehenna already happened (gang war lol)

>>53217573
That's stupid. Trannies are just mentally ill.

>>53218697
I was joking around.

And you're actually wrong.

>>53218712
We don't know. There has literally been nothing said about them.

>>53218806

Yeah, but I figured what with them using so much photoshop bullshit in 20th Anniversary stuff the Requiem would be like that as well, when in fact that was rarely the case.

>>53218070
>What is retconning

>>53218697
There are still a few Archmages lurking around on Earth.
The rest are off somewhere in the Deep Umbra after having been cut off by the Avatar Storm.

Wizard-run planets are currently inaccessible. Either you were unlucky enough to be on Earth or lucky enough to be in space when it happened.

>>53217671
I was told there was going to be an open playtest? When the fuck is that happening? At least let me try the game before I inevitably drop it for V20 again.

>>53217573
Progenitors load vaccines with neurotoxins that cause autism in because autist literally don't have souls in WoD.

>>53218831
The photoshop stuff started way after most of the Requiem stuff was released, and when WW was publishing as its own entity or a subsidiary of CCP. The photoshop stuff started, really, right as/after V20 got released...

>>53218864
They said 'some time' after WoD Berlin. Some people are expecting tomorrow, I'm expecting by June.

>>53218883

>>53218866
But why? There's no shortage of quality artists looking for work?

>>53218892
Money, I'd assume. V20's photoshop iconic characters were supposed to be a shout out to fans (like, I know the Malkavian model really well, she's super chill), but after that, who knows.

We don't know what kind of margins these things pull in, despite being top sellers on DTRPG, especially with the recent trainwrecks of M20, Beast in its entirety, and Secrets of the Covenants and the sheer time it takes ANYTHING to get completed beyond 'you guys gave us hundreds of thousands of dollars as a kickstarter!' What non-photoshop art we've gotten since has been hit or miss, as well. So I chalk it up to money.

>>53218865
What book and page is that on? I want to read more about it.

>>53218942
I don't think it's real.

>>53219122
I think it's 1E.

>>53217954
>Innocent until proven guilty

It's the technocracy. What's all of this innocentuntil proven guilty horse shit? Some tribunal somewhere makes a decision without the input of the accused and then they disappear his ass. Are you that fucking fedora tipper from last thread?

Seriously, this is an organization that has a North Korea style graded loyalty system wherein 6 represents "Its only a matter of time before we disappear you down a deep, dark hole."

>>53219411
The Technocracy is worse then North Korea really. The Technocracy is pretty much everything that is evil and liberal about modern civilization, and should be absolutely destroyed. They are the death of the spirit, the boot stomping down on the face of human excellence. Most do it for power or greed, some do it just out of plain sadism. They are the establishment, the scientist welfare queens, and the academic elites looking down on humankind. The only question then is which tradition should replace them once they are toppled.

>>53219411
>>53219513

>Everything you know about Werewolf is wrong- again!

>It's not the Wyrm that's the Ultimate Threat To All Things. That title now goes to the Triat member that drove the Wyrm insane- the Weaver. If she's not stopped, she's turn everything into one big orderly mess that never changes; all Creation will become one great, eternal clockwork machine.

>This book is all about the Weaver, and it's all for you to use in your Werewolf and Mage campaigns. Inside its pages you'll find rules for techno-fetishes, Weaver agents called "Drones" (ala Formori) and more about the Weaver's relationship with the Wyrm and Gaia than you can hack in one sitting.

>To get the better of Gaia, she Gifted Humanity with three tools: Dogma, Science and Technology. The first is what lead to the rise of non-Gaian faith, while the latter two lead to the Order of Reason (now the Technocracy).

>How does Mage factor into this? The Technocracy are the greatest agents of the Weaver; if the Garou aided the Traditions in wiping them and their technology out, life for Gaia would be much, much better. This is also made quite clear.

>>53219630
From the Book of the Weaver.

>>53219513
Should the Technocracy fall it won't be a tradtion to take it's place, it will be Threat Null

>>53219712
TN is just the true face of the Technocracy anyways.

>>53218712
Week of nightmares happened 18 years ago, theoretically that's enough time for Ravnos to be embraced to get them near clan numbers

>>53220205

18 years isn't very long in vamp-time, though. It's possible, certainly, but I don't see a reason for them to sire so aggressively - they're a pretty independent clan anyway.

>>53202760

You realize they've picked a random, shitty, low-budget developer to make the very first 'big' game for them, right? They either don't give a fuck and are just squeezing the IP for a few pennies with minimal investment, or they're honestly fucking clueless about how to handle it, and I have no goddamned idea which one is worse.

>>53220370
Wait who is making the vidya now?