40k General

First for the Iron Warriors

Storm Bolters better be Assault 4 or I'm gonna be pissed.

3rd for Sisters a qt

>>53163136
what if they're rapid fire 2?

>>53163136
Knowing how loyalists always have to be better than Chaos that isn't impossible, but if we're being fair they should be assault 3 or Chaos terminators should just be more expensive to match.

>>53163136
Assault 4 12" range

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>>53163130
HAIL OF LEAD, SOON

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>>53163140
Combi weapons news is causing chaos among my Sisters.

We might have Slaanesh incursion with this much over joy!

>>53163158

That's probably exactly what they will be. It is just two bolters stuck together after all.

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First to equip dubs get to shoot twice

>>53163158
That'd be fucking gay and would make them no different from combi bolters. Assault 4 or nothing.
>>53163171
Assault 3 doesn't make sense though, Storm Bolters have 2 barrels not 3.
>>53163172
kys

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>Want to get CSM for 8th
>don't want shitty squatting models
>don't want to buy a lot of bits just to convert them to look decent

Are they ever gonna update the average CSM or what? Fuck

>>53163158
combi-bolters will probably be rapid-fire 2

Anyways I'm more interested in what they'll do with the assault cannon.

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My Skitarii are hyped for 8th E!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy-sVTaZRPk

>>53163193
Play chaos, no payoff.

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Anyone else fucking HATE the fact that Imperial Guard heavy teams are carrying about guns that look way too big and heavy for them to actually move about? There is no way those two little guys look like they could stick the lascannon or autocannon on their back and hoof it around. I mean the old ones on wheels looked stupid sure, but at least they looked fucking practical. What does the lascannon do now? Just sit there all battle stationary after being dropped off by a Chimera? Stupid, stupid and I'm angry about it. Muh fucking immersion.

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>>53163105
>Brings a Titan formation to a "narrative" game
>T 20
>W 50
>SV 2+
>each
>Opponent sends fabious bile into combat with them
>he hits first due to assaulting
>hits
>wounds on 6+ (because everything can do that in 8th
>I fail my save
>His weapon is Instant Death
>Remove Titan from the field
>Remove other 2 Titans after failing battle shock

Still looking forward to 8ed?

>>53163183
Na, thats combi bolters.
Stomies are gonna stay the same.
But termies will get to use them as pistols.

Me boyz are quoite pleazed wit dis new info on da dakka.

>>53163191
Heavy bolters have one barrel and 3 shots, clearly barrel number and number of shots do not correlate.

Rules wise it'd make them the perfect counterpart to combi bolters by making them more reliable at range but less reliable at close range.

>>53163220
>This stale pasta again
Please go away

>>53163220
>failing battle shock
They will rpobably have a huge Ld save, making it impossible for them to fall back

>>53163217
Size =/= weight.
if anything they have spaceage material that makes them light

>>53163203
Probably the current statline but with Damage D3 and of course AP 0, rending being that you gain AP -3 on wound rolls of 6.

>>53163193
Get mkIII/mkIV tacticals and one(1) CSM Terminators/Raptors box and booms, enough bits for conversion and a bunch of non-autistic models

>>53163191
>no different
ah but the combi-bolter will have minus one to hit because combi-weapon
Either that or a combi-bolter will be twin-linked bolters and the storm bolter will be assault three, so better at long range but worse up close... kind of like now

>>53163237
Heavy Bolters having 3 shots still make sense, 3 bullets come out of 1 barrel. 3 bullets coming out of 2 barrels would just be weird.

In the past it used to be Combis were more accurate but not as reliable while Storms were reliable but not as accurate. So it makes sense to bring the reliability thing over.

>>53163244
You
Keep
Feeding
It.

Like rats, roaches and racoons, shouting does no difference if you keep giving them what they want.

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>>53163261
pls give me back my damage D10 assault cannon GW

Another day, another rule reveal that hates Eldar. Aside from TL scatlasers on Wave Serpents, what do we have? TL shuriken catapults that will never get in range because bikes have to shoot from a distance?

>>53163217

desu the older metal ones actually look portable, especially the Steel Legion ones.

>>53163261
Thats to complicated me thinks. Just allways AP-2 should do

>>53163275
>implying anyone here owns a D10

>>53163136
I'm expecting Assault 3. Combo bolters will probably end up being Rapid fire 2 effectively for 4 shots at short range and 2 at long, so having Storm bolters be a constant 3 works out nicely

>>53163266
But the leg armor is all loyalist and looks different than the chaos bits and would look too different

>>53163266
Alternatively just buy either BoP or BaC and just add the necessary iconography, Chaos don't need to be spikey marines.

That works best for Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors though.

>>53163275
4 - 6 - JAM!

>>53163278
Let me drink your delicious WAACfag tears knifeear

>>53163278
Scats arent twinlinked.
Shuriicats are.
As are most Falcon and Serpent weapons

>>53163278
>GW
>Hating Eldar

Pick one. The worst the Eldar have been since 40k is 40k has been at worst mediocre. They have never tasted bad rules. Not even in Battlefleet Gothic

Relax, one edition was Falcons, other seer council, flying circus, scatter Spam, you will have your broken option as usual.

>>53163275
I miss second ed, I remember in one game one of my my assault cannon termies killed two bloodthirsters before exploding in the face of a bezerker squad... things rapidly went downhill from there

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/new-warhammer-40000-weapons-part-2-may10gw-homepage-post-4/

>>53163291
that's still six shots

I never rolled three dice unless it was the dreadnought's assault cannon, though.

>>53163286
I don't think chaos marines (who lack resources to forge new gear) would simply toss out their armor the moment they went heretic, and if anything it's a bigger smack in the face to the loyalists when you show up to battle still clad in relic armor

>>53163286
So kitbash some spikes and shit.

Or do you completely lack imagination and creativity?

>>53163286
>Did you just come here to complain? They are squatty as you already mentioned

>>53163316
I'll pick hating Eldar, because this isn't GW were talking about, this is The New GW™.

>>53163308
Wave Serpent has TL scatlasers and other shit, Falcon has TL catapults and nothing else.

>>53163354
GW has made a fine job killing creativity and kitbashing.

Remember when we had rules and art for things without models?

>>53163364
>oh crap, they hate eldar so much they're just going to be average tier
I like the new GW

>>53163364
Good. Squat the fucking weeb factions

Thing about the TL thing is that if they just go with "Everything twinlinked is now x2 shots" then a lot of things will get fairly arbitrary buffs depending on whether the buff or rule says "reroll hits" or "gain twin-linked rule". They'll have to be a tad careful.

>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-tau-empire/
What the FUCK, why did they remove the ONE fucking weakness they had?!

@53163397
lol

>>53163378
"I can't kitbash and fuck around to convert my CSM dudes baww baww baww"
Fucking kys.

>>53163390
> tfw Dire Avengers have TL Avenger Catapults
> 40 rending shots from 18" per 10-man squad

Thanks GW.

>>53163413
Get out

>Battle Cannons only -2 modifier
GUARDFAGS BTFO

>>53163397
THOSE RIPTIDE STATS

Get fucked non Tau players

>>53163236
Really no reason to be.

Previously twin-linked weapons gave orks a 56% chance of hitting, a 57% improvement on our basic BS. Meanwhile, BS 3 units only got a 50% improvement and BS 4 ones a mere 33%. Now everyone gets a 100% improvement, so we are relatively worse off than before.

With blast weapons, at least the new system is faster and makes everyone suffer with random number of shots, but BS matters a lot more now.

Combi weapon changes don't seem to offer much benefit. A couple of shoota shots hitting on a 6+ is pretty crap. At least there doesn't seem to be any downside to adding them if the skorcha hits automatically and we can shoot the skorcha multiple times. Still, this is much more a benefit to marines than orks, so orks are relatively screwed.

Only really positive news seems to be that melta is now basically crap, so our vehicles can close with the enemy more safely.

>>53163397
Oh god. This shit is broken as fuck. What where they thinking!

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>>53163378
Not having rules for my crazy conversions hasn't stopped me from making Sorcerer Dreadnoughts and Rubric Raptors.

Besides you can blame Chapterhouse for that one.

>>53163451
You are so obviously fake you ruined it, autistic faggot.

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>>53163282
who on /tg/ wouldn't own at least one of each 1d4, 1d6, 1d8, 1d10, 1d20 and 1d100

>>53163427
>Formerly AP 3 weapon doesn't have the same modifier as an AP 2 weapon

Wow

>>53163422
Yeah, and if they had kept formations (which they haven't, just a thought experiment) then the Dominus Maniple would grant Plasma Calivers and Radium Carbines Assault 6 and a double-tapping Dunecrawler.

Co-Ax guns would mean double-tapping Baneblade Cannon and Wyverns with 8D3 shots, too. Miffed that Large Blast is a piddly D6 hits, though. Would be nice to get at least a +1 to that.

I just realized, does this mean any twin-linked large blast weapons are gonna be 2d6 shots?

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-adepta-sororitas/

Plastic Repressors confirmed!

>>53163497
This only works once you know.

>>53163497
>>53163397
Please stop, you're breaking my heart!

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>>53163497
we aren't falling for this shit again, anon

>>53163427
>Battle Cannons were AP3
>Lascannons were AP2
>Lascannons are now AP-3
>being one worse than a Lascannon it would only make sense for a Battle Cannon to be AP-2

>>53163497
You know you need to be 18+ to post, right dearie?

>>53163497
>>53163397
How does it feel knowing that the life you live all you do is shit post on a Mongolian finger painting website?

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>>53163217

Only the Krieg and Elysian heavy weapons look like they can actually be carried

>>53163504
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-squats/

Guess they weren't kidding about a new faction

If female players always choose Orks or Nids, what do gay men play? Excluding Eldar because I play Eldar and I'm manly as fuck.

>Melta AP-4 and Re-rollable D6 at close range
Sternguard spam is the new WAAC list of choice

>>53163534

Fuck. Off.

>>53163526
Kek

>>53163534
I mean you can be gay and manly at the same time.

sorry im totally out of loop now

could anyone give me a quick rundown on lore changes in next ed?

>>53163534
Its eldar. Dont worry, you can come out of the closet.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/warhammer-40000-we-are-literally-deleting-the-eldar/

Some pretty wild new announcements with 8th ed.

>>53163370
Ah yeah.
Thought the pulse laser was twl

>>53163554
Shits fucked.

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>>53163278
You're thinking too small anon

>>53163558
I'm enjoying this kind of shitposting.

We can calm down now

>>53163105

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/warhammer-40000-OP-literally-cannot-stop-sucking-dicks/

>>53163427
That's exactly what most people were predicting.

Being able to land D6 hits on a single target is a massive improvement. Makes them much more viable against vehicles. BS 3 lascannon now does an average of 0.97 wounds to a T 8 Sv 3+ vehicle, battle cannon does 1.17. Not bad.

>>53163554
Just start saying Dark Angels are traitors and people will start talking lore all day.

>>53163572
Oh son of a bitch I'm not gonna like that in game.

>>53163569
pls tell me

i couldn't find any good website to sum it up

last day i saw a thread talking about scaled marines and reference to cloned(?) ones

>>53163575
Tell me about it. Better than the last few days

>>53163217
I'm with you. But they were designed during the era of 40k gaming when shit had to look "heroic" and "extreme" on the tabletop instead of practical.

>>53163572
I was thinking that, but Doomweavers aren't twin-linked.

>>53163422
Only the exarch can buy a twl.

>>53163534
Guys with weird obsessions with masculinity tend to pick Space Wolves or Imperial Guard.

>>53163554
Guilliman is back and he's making marines 2.0, Cadia is kill, Abaddon ripped the galaxy an even bigger new asshole, Magnus and Mortarion reformed their legions, Eldar death god is born, Biel-tan broke, commorragh is full of Daemons and Orks still aren't relevant.

>>53163525
>carried
>with wheels
krieg ones look heavier than the cadian ones to boot

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/warhammer-40000-the-joke-ferrus-manus/

>>53163581
they're a sleeper hit really. unlike fire prisms they doubled up on shots when in squads but no one really uses them

>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/warhammer-40000-the-new-cultural-changes-at-games-workshop-or-why-you-should-get-blacked/

Guess GW really weren't kidding with the New thing huh?

>>53163583
Robert Girlyman got up, Cadia got BTFO
Abaddon apparently ran wild in imperial space and shit's fucked by the time we get to 8th
Chaos is supposed to be gitting gud but we'll see

>>53163331
>battle canons are trash
they really want to feed the "and here are my anti armor conscripts" memes don't they ?

>>53163619
Kek, but there's an ugly motherfucker space wolves player at my FLGS with a cute nerdy gf I want to cum in her earhole

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https://regimental-standard.com/2017/05/10/your-friend-the-commissar/

>>53163630
Tested them out for a bit on TTS, never understood why no one used them much on the table. At least from what I saw.

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The new regimental standard seems to be saying that guardsmen aren't supposed to know that commissars will shoot them for cowardice... how does that make any fucking sense? The whole point of shooting people for cowardice is that they fucking well know you are going to do it so they don't dare run.

>>53163271
Each "shot" you take is not a literal translation of what might be happening during the imaginary battle. Each roll of the die can be anything from a single aimed shot to a wild magazine dump.

>>53163619
>>53163639
thanks guys

could you give me details on marines 2.0, abaddon not failing and magnus/mortarion reforms?

guess dark eldar are fucked? it was implied in prev eds that demons will swarm comorragh

also i haven't been on 4chan for more than a year now. there are now ads here?!

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>>53163619
Wrong, real men play Khorne. Only children and furfags like SW.

>faggot asks, 'Why am I such a faggot?'
How do we ask Duncan for painting tips?

>>53163317
Thanks for reminding me why I don't miss 2nd Ed

>>53163693
Facebook, in person at Warhammer World or on the Twitch channel.

>>53163542

depends on how cheap units are that can bubble-wrap your tanks.

>>53163690
>t. phoneposting cheetahfag

>>53163672
Don't take it so seriously, it's obviously a tongue in cheek article.

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>>53163690
Reminder than Kharn is homosexual.

>>53163672
Because contrary to popular belief the Comissar is there to shoot faltering officers and take over if necessary. Regular guardsmen are very rare targets.

>>53163466
Monogame WAACfags

>>53163672
Because its satire and in universe propaganda.

>>53163769
I monogame because I have a life. I'm sorry, anon.

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>>53163717
How the fuck did you know

>>53163751
>killing faggots makes you a homosexual
Tranny logic, everyone.

>>53163754
finally someone says it

that's why they're attached to command squads

>>53163672
I'm pretty sure that regimental standard is to curb the number of Commisars getting killed by Ork Snipers.

>>53163660
It's more anti medium-heavy infantry in a army that's neck deep in it.

>>53163793
shit excuse
i, too, have a life and I play plenty of different games

Frickety frackety fruit, git the fuck gud

>>53163466
>1d100

Does anyone own this? Most people around here just use two d10s of different colors

>>53163794
You're literally the only 40k World Eaters player in this thread lmao

You make it too easy for me.

>>53163672
What standard?

>>53163793
Sure, and you play the easy win army because it's a waste of time playing games you don't win.

>>53163807
And single shot barrage can be unreliable. Torrent shot useful only on rare occasions.

>>53163797
would they shoot high ranking commanding officiers like colonel/general?

>>53163689
Well no one really knows anything about the new marines, they could be like mass produced custodes or they could be the exact same as normal marines just with better equipment.

As for Abby, he still kinda failed because he wanted to open a warp rift that would consume terra but it missed, but now chaos can attack pretty much anywhere in the galaxy sine the Eye of Terror now goes half way though it.
As for Magnus and Mortarion, we don't know much about morty but in Magnus' case he got the Thousand Sons back together to fuckup Fenris and though some of Fernis' population is still live they managed to drain the energy of it's world spirit and use it to teleport the planet of sorcerer's back into real space next to prospero.

>>53163427
>D6 hits for D3 each on a W12 T8 model
>it costs 150 points
>you can mount additional heavy bolters, meltas and lascannons on it for a cost of a single HW Team model
You were saying?

>>53163689
Marines 2.0, all we know is Girlyman is making some
Abaddon rammed a blackstone fortress into cadia and that blew it up
dont know about mag/mort
Dark Eldar are probably fucked, the eldar god of death or it's lackey grill let demons into comorragh
Also Custodes and sisters of silence are back and stalking the universe once more
Also the same eldar god of death's lackey apparently knows how to revert the Rubrick thingy and taunted Ahriman with it by reversing it on a few guys and then turning them back to dust or killing them or whatever

>>53163579
it really isn't
vehicles have gained a massive boost to their hitpoints with the transfer to wounds
those battle cannon shots are going to be hitting on a 4+, wounding on a 4+ and doing 2 wounds average each after which vehicles will still get a 5+ save

they're hot garbage right now
not calculating in the to wound rolls and saves you'll do a whooping 3.5 wounds on average if they're bs 4+ and 4.6666 wounds if they're bs3+
if you're firing at a vehicle which is toughness 8 you can halve those numbers
and after all this enemy vehicles will still have a 5+ save
meanwhile we've also lost our reroll to penn since ordnance (and armor) is gone (unless it counts as heavy now) and our anti infantry capabilities are completely annihilated with the loss of templates which in my opinion will be better than 2 hits that do 2 damage on average all teh while still giving most non cardboard armored infantry a chance to still save it
It's not even a certainty that vehicles will be exempt from the -1 to hit that heavy weapons get when moving
Fingers crossed that it has some amazing special rules or is relatively cheap if not we won't be seeing the mainstay of the IG a lot anymore

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>>53163822
Kek, have some happy cheetahs.

>>53163845
so basically are we being set up for "40k end times" ?

also do we know anything about the eldar new god?

>>53163841
Absolutely, if that colonel/general is acting against the best interests of the imperial military or showing exceptional cowardice/incompetence.

Commissars function quite similarly to Arbites. They're there as an impartial third party to ensure standards are maintained. Just for commanding officers instead of planetary governors.

>>53163841
In a display of gross incompetence/cowardice?
Absolutely, lets the commons solder see there's judgement for all.

And there's ALWAYS are competent second, third or fourth officer carrying every incompetent general.

>>53163887
yup
Ynnead is the name, eating souls to git gud is the game

>>53163378

You mean like the Sly Mark rules GW put out last week?

>>53163814
Tell me how you can play more than 1-2 days of 40k a week and still have a "life".
>>53163834
> play BA in 7th
> easy win army

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Are Centurions gud now?

>>53163901
Mark's a sly guy alright.

So I'm an Admech player, and I've currently got a full War Convocation with a couple extra Dragoons. I want to fill it out to a proper fighty army, since Vanguard are fun and I want to give the one who singlehandedly shot down a Librarian on bike and his Biker Sarge friend in one round his own squad.
What's a good number of Vanguard and Dunecrawlers to have? I have one box of unbuilt Skitarii, ten basic rangers w/ one Omnispex and the usual 200pt 10 Vanguard 3 Plascals squad. Do I want some Arc Rifle Rangers, or just another two or three Crawlers and 25ish Vanguard?

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>>53163278
Sorry you can't be broken this edition Knife-Ears. Can't wait to see that army listing on eBay.

Serious question here.
Have items orks ever been top tier? I only started playing at the tail end of 5th, and they've been bad as far as I know.
Was that always the case? We're they good back in the day?

>>53163900
so what, shes just gonna ride in and wrek slaneesh?

>>53163943
4e orks had a few meta lists that carried over into early 5e.

>>53163927
Even more broken than before.

>>53163943
Fuck. My phone murdered that post.

>>53163943
2nd ed/gorkamorka was their hayday it was all downhill from there

>>53163927
Probably having more wounds, a bit weaker to armor shredding but AP2 isn't a thing anymore.
Their weapons are going to be fucking horrifying, think of the hurricane bolters.

>>53163887
It was born prematurely and will have to get fat on Eldar souls before it can fuck Slaanesh's shit up, it also has it's own cult surrounding it that is basically a combo faction of all Eldar (Craftworld, Dark, Harlequins and probably even some corsairs and exodites in lore).

>>53163921
How to play a day of 40k a week and still have a life:
Do stuff, like work etc. Mon-Fri
Saturday, play with friend/LGS
Sunday, do whatever, maybe play another game if you feel like it or do other stuff like go fishing or go out with friends

You know you can do stuff on workdays as well, since if you have like an 8 hour day, there's plenty of day left to do stuff
Git the fuck gud

>>53163205
I have that YouTube link memorized at this point. After I came on tg and talked about buying my first wargaming army(skitarii) everybody either replied in binary or with that video, sometimes both

I want my old flesh tearers army back i reget selling it for food and rent

>>53163220
>Squadding your Titans
>assuming ID will still be a thing when we have mortal wounds

top fucking kek

>>53163948
That's basically the plan, yes
You can read up on like lexicanum or 40k wiki or something im sure

>>53163988
lol filthy dumb poorfag scum

>>53163927
Non-Grav variants are certainly more appealing. Heavy bolter plus hurricane bolter means a lot of dead hordes

>>53163990
Stop replying to the fucking bait.

This appear every.fucking.thread.

>>53163980
I could see the exodite responde
>WHY THE FUCK DID YOU DO IT AGAIN YOU ASSHOLES?!

>>53163921
>Tell me how you can play more than 1-2 days of 40k a week and still have a "life".

That''s a 40k OD there man,

A game or two every other weekend, alternate with boardgames, movies and shit.
Keep it from becoming a routine.

i seriously hope they remove poison from DEldar guns. i'd like to have a game against my brother's Tyranids but the poison just fucks him over instantly

>>53163927
even if they were amazing I couldn't bring myself to field any because of their maximum retardation with the design
Fuck me they look dumb

>>53163980
slanesh has such a big headstart (feeding on the original empire and his cult and human desires since then) that i can't image ynnaed could win. especially how easily slanesh beat the original eldar pantheon

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What in the flying fuck is a mortal wound

>>53163220
>Titan Formation
Imossiburu, Formations are confirmed gone.

>His Weapon is Instant Death
In 7th Edition, not confirmed in 8th Ed, and not confirmed it works the same way. People need to stop filling in the gaps of 8th with rules from 7th because they aren't compatible.

>Remove other 2 Titans due to failing Battle Shock
Well, if it's anything like AoS, which it is looking like, single models don't take battleshock.

>>53164051
Wound, no save allowed.

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How am I supossed to get my melee Orks into combat with all these shooting buffs?

>>53164051
automatically wounds and no normal saves can be taken against it unless specifically mentioned otherwise

>>53164069
With a truck

Where did they say that top hatches wont be a thing anymore on transports?

>>53164069
Stick them in a wagon or git gud

>>53163972
>missile launcher with x2 the lascannons
> x 3
>6 lascannons. 3 missile launchers.
>Now more powerful than devs in fire power.
>D6 x 6

I can not comprehend the firepower.

>>53164051
AoS.

8th is just AoS second edition.

>>53163689
>Marines 2.0
we don't know, the horrible low-res images look kind of cool though
>Abaddon
He dropped one of his black-stones on Cadia destroying it for the most part. The pylons that held back the eye of terror failed causing warp rifts to extend across the galaxy. It was meant to extend to Terra but seems to have failed in that respect.
>Magnus
He rounded up the thousand suns and invaded Fenris, bunch of people died and a Planet in the Fenris system was destroyed before he got pushed back, nothing the Yiffs won't get over. Also the planet of the sorcerers is now in real space in the Prospero system. <just_as_planned.jpg>
Later he has a barney with Robo-Guilliman on the moon, it's all very Saturday morning cartoon, plot progresses but nothing really changes for him. Also something someting Rubrics, probably a plotpoint if you're a TS fag otherwise not interesting
>Morty
Not a clue, but there's a Death guard release coming up (almost certainly one half of the 8th ed box)
>Deldar
bunch of Daemons showed up because death god, lots of dead eldar and slaves very sad. Some part of Commoragh are on lock-down deldar have lost a bit of turf but aside from that not much has changed

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>You will never be able to feast on succulent Eldar flesh
>You will never be this happy

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How am I supossed to get my Black Templars into combat with all these shooting buffs?

>>53164040
That's what Cegorach is there for

Did anyone else realize how stupidly powerful Ravenwing Plasma Talons just became?

> tfw geedubs hasn't said anything about tau and eldar in a while
> final updates before 8th ed release are how OP tau and eldar are in 8th
> fite me faggots

>>53164119
With a glorious land raider or a humble rhino.

>>53164143
No jinks anymore tho

>>53164119
You make 3, 20 dude squads. Make a thin line across the deployment zone.

Run turn one.
Turn 2 assault since you lock in combat anyone within 1" you can in theory lock every single one of its units in combat

>>53164102
Oh yeah and vect jumped ship to make a new Commoragh with even more blackjack and hookers and the Mandrakes are one of the big things holding back the daemons.

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>>53163937
Dunno about the best way of doing things, but I've got some experience playing Skitarii/Cult Mech. One of my favorite armies in the game due to their lore/the fucking awesome guns they have.
I like doing 2-1 ratio of vanguard to rangers, with the rangers holding midfield objectives and softening enemies at range, and the vanguard moving forward to plasma the shit out of everything. I would recommend you go for the crawlers and some more vanguard. Crawlers are super versatile with what they can take, and you should always take 3 in a unit if you can for the 4++

>>53164119
They've been jerking off Land Raiders in pretty much every article thus far about how amazing they are, so get some of those and stick your sword brethren in those famalam

>>53164177
Who says Jink won't be a thing anymore?

>>53164160
>can only take like 2 raiders for most games
>get fucked to death after disembarking a rhino or just blown to pieces before even getting there
:)

>>53164191
GW did.

>>53164212
Where?

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>>53163927
But what about their assaulty brothers with twin linked meltas and flamers?

>>53164200
All vehicles are assault now and you can except a 3+ save and at least six wounds on rhinos.

>>53164119
steel rain :)

Looks like melta got relatively better at long range vs. lascannon.

Old lascannon: 0.5 HP per hit vs. AV 13, 5.6% chance to explode.
Old melta, short range: 0.58 HP, 24% chance to explode.
Old melta, long range: 0.33 HP, 2.8% explosion.

New lascannon vs. T 8 3+ target: 1.94 wounds per hit.
New melta (short): 2.24 wounds.
New melta (long): 1.75 wounds.

So you only lose about 22% effectiveness over half range with the new rules, while with the old one it was 43% fewer hull points and being massively less likely to get an explosion.

It also seems that most anti-tank weapons are getting more similar to each other. There really isn't much difference between a battle cannon, a meltagun and a lascannon now in terms of how they perform against most big targets. Previously they each had a more distinct niche of armour values they were better against.

>>53164200
You can charge out of all vehicles now my dude.

>>53164228
fuck these things are so fucking stupid

>>53164212
>>53164220
So they will get to hit/wound modifiers for being bikes/fast skimmers or whatever

>>53164230
>all vehicles are assault now
[citation motherfucking needed]

>>53164191
Q&A I think.

>>53163779
>in universe propaganda.

But the entire point is that it doesn't make sense as in-universe propaganda.

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>>53164027
>>53164253

>Not liking teddy bear marines

>>53163136
You forgot, your moms gonna freak too.

Wow, actually the Orkanauts are marginally even better as well. Might pick one up if things keep on like this.

It's kind of strange trying to quantify universal changes in regards to a specific unit. Yes, on the one hand a specific unit got better vs itself, but on the other maybe all other units got proportionally better. Who knows, I guess we'll find out when 8e finally arrives.

>>53164274
It works fine, don't be a traitorous heretic that runs away and you won't get shot.

Really though it's a joke article, don't take it so seriously.

What are the confirmed Leman Russ stats?

>>53163486
probably yeah

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>>53164027
I was converting some for my gk. They still look dumb tho.

>>53164323
Go read Horus Heresy Book 7.

>>53164323

Look at the thread idiot.

>>53164323
http://reddit.com/r/warhammer40k

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>>53164102

>>53164323
T8 W12 Sv3+

>>53164338
>GK Custodes Teddymarines
what chaos god came up with this combination

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Anons, I need help.
My friend wants to start playing 40k and he chose IG. I have shown him the Start Collecting and Armoured Fist of course but he is really scared of painting huge stuff like Leman Russ and minis faces.
Could you recommend any speedpainting/newbie-friendly tutorials for IG for people without an airbrush and 120 of paints? I want to show him that it is possible to keep the hobby on budget but it's easy to talk like this if you are a Crons player like me and don't make him buy dozen of paints

>>53164237
Care to math out the battle cannon vs the lascannon against T7, 8, 9, and 10?

>>53164186
Yeah, the blast kept scattering off into nowhere and I kept fighting Stormravens and Heldrakes, but then I stopped playing nothing but CSM and BA and actually got some use out of them. Last game the one crawler gibbed 5 Sternguard and a Librarian. More vanguard it is, I love how many spares there are in that kit.

GOD I WANT TO FUCK SOME SPACE MARINES IN THE ASS RIGHT NOW
All hail Slaanesh

>>53164389
use rattlecans?

>>53164376
The chaos god of love.

>>53164389
Duuuncan! Go to YouTube and research how to paint Cadian camo, how to paint imperial guardsman, and how to paint weathering and battle damage.

How would you stat each power weapon?

>>53164416
soon you'll be able to have consensual sex in the missionary position with a space marine

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>>53164448
I hope so

>>53164389

Tell him to use the dipping technique

>>53163553
This

>>53164051
It's a power weapon before ap was given to melee

>>53163879
Previously a battle cannon shooting a dreadnought would take about 5 hits to kill it. That's around 9 shots with BS 3 (7 or less on 2D6 to scatter under 4").

New battle cannon gets D6 shots, hitting with 50% (1.75 hits on average), wounding the dread on a 3+ (1.17) and giving it a 5+ save (.78) with each failed save resulting in D3 wounds (1.56 average). Slightly over five shots to kill the dread.

Against the front armour of a leman russ, the old battlecannon would take about 14 shots to do the job (8 or less to hit the larger target), new one needs just 10.3.

>>53164389
I would recommend he not try to hard with face a starting out. Eyes and face detail are difficult. Better to go with a layer of flesh tone and call it a day

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Anon, help me convince my girlfriend that Eldar is cuter than nids. I don't want her to waste money on stupid bugs

>>53164420
2 cans cost as much as 8 paints at my lgs
>>53164425
Yeah, I showed him Duncan the first day he asked me about new edition. 14 paints is pretty much but maybe we will be able to cut 4 or 5 of them

>>53164376
The worst kind
>A magos that has filled his coolant system with ethanol.

>>53164672
Youll need to convince me you have a gf first.

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>>53164672

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>>53164672
They are not cutter mate

>>53164672
Inherently false tho. Nids are cute as fuck. You might be able to convince her on necrons tho, scarabs are cute little bastards too

>>53164695
I can tell you vaginas are wet inside. Now pls halp

>>53164678
He can cut everything but a single base color for the hull, agraxearthshade, possibly nuln oil, black, leadbelcher, and white or some other color for the aquillas.

>>53164720
):< eldar arent cute, they are appalling to humans.

>>53164672
>>53164672
Convince her to make an Eldar Genestealer cult to go with them

>heavy bolters are Heavy 6 -1 AP
Holy fuck i might actually start putting them on my HWTs and tacticool squads

>>53164719
She's not big on the egyptian zombies thing, unfortunately...

>>53164672
Eldar is for man children like you, Nids are for refined tastes

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Not sure where else to put this but:

Someone extracted all the music from DoW III, arguably the best part of the game.

So if you want something to listen to, or play the Ork Victory theme(22:41) when you win, here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcUjeQMRzXY&t=0s

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>>53164672
Play cute Scourge. Better game and cuter than Eldar.

>>53163943
1st ed, when there were literally only orks, space marines and eldar.
I'm sure they must have had 1 good list then.

>>53164767
Twin linked Heavy Bolters are Heavy 6. It's a gun on a Landraider for fucks sake.

Normal Heavy Bolters are going to be Heavy 3

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>>53163690
>Remainder that Morkai can overpower khorne and enslave him to his will
>Remainder that Logan Grimman outsmarted Angron and led to his defeat
>Remainder that world eaters are always outsmarted by space Wolves each time they face each other
WORLD EATERS PLAYERS ON SUICIDE WATCH!!!

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>>53164672
No can't do man, Cheldar is a bunch of autistic fagets while Nids are cute as fuck. Just look at this. How could Cheldar ever hope to compete with them.

>>53164767
>Twin Linked

what is reading comprehension?

>>53164613
1 shot, d6 wounds.

>>53164115
>alt-right nazi bullies local SJW's, 2017, colorized

Well shit. I hope they at least make Tyranid swarms competitive in 8th ed...

>>53164425
>duncan
He said right in the post he doesn't want to use 120 paints.

>>53164840
>Lucius
>Not the biggest SJW of all

>>53164672
Velociraptors with guns>Spess Aelves

>>53164839
d6 shots, each shot does d3 wounds.

>tfw Pask gives all his tabks twin linked

>>53164839
Heavy D6 with D3 wounds per.

>>53164839

So how does AOS handle this? If I get 6 wounds do I have to roll the D3 6 times or once for all of them?

>>53164865
Then he's doing it wrong. Wrong!

>>53164866
He's a fucking white male!

>>53164907
Roll a D3s for each successful wound, since now your opponent allocates wounds it doesn't matter what wound roll produces what damage.

>>53164907
Roll to hit > Roll to wound > if wound > Roll to save > if fail > Roll number of wounds

>>53164952
>>53164866
>>53164840

Stop

you know where to go

>>53164988
Goddamn, I'm not even a poltard and I can see you're such a fucking cuck

Let people have fun if you're unable to

>>53164988
Man you're a no fun faggot

>>53164988
Kys

Assuming WS4 is enough for WS 3+ then kroots might be ok assault units in next edition. Hits on 3+, strikes first if they charged and shaper gives reroll 1's for to wound rolls. Obviously every other codex has better assaulters but space chickens can get shit done on counter charges and/or backline harassing in melee now.

>>53164988
Making any sort of jokes is considered pol tier now? When I see people with that kind of attitude it really makes me feel like pol is right. Thought police much?

>>53165084
attacking someone for their humor? typical of /pol

>>53165032
>>53165073
>>53165084
>>53165124
>streisand effect in action

>>53165119
They'll probably be roughly Ork equivalent. With better guns

I wonder how they'll handle the weapons with multiple fire modes like the Frost Cannons
If we made the direct counterpart with what we currently know it would be
Dispersed: d6 hits, S6 AP -2 D d3
Focused 1 hit, S8 AP -4 D d6

The former is obviously better in most cases, particularly on the stormwolf where it's twinlinked, and thus 2d6 and 2 hits

>>53165158
Oh shut up you fucking wimp

>>53163389
Might as well give up on that dream. They'll never get rid of Space Marines.

>>53164400
Assuming 4+ to hit...

Lascannon vs. T 7-8 Sv 3+: 0.97 wounds.
Lascannon vs. T 7-8 Sv 2+: 0.78 wounds.
Lascannon vs. T 9 Sv 3+: 0.73 wounds.
Lascannon vs. T 9 Sv 2+: 0.58 wounds.
Lascannon vs. T 10 Sv 3+: 0.49 wounds.
Lascannon vs. T 10 Sv 2+: 0.39 wounds.

Battle Cannon vs. T 7 Sv 3+: 1.56 wounds.
Battle Cannon vs. T 7 Sv 2+: 1.17 wounds.
Battle Cannon vs. T 8 Sv 3+: 1.17 wounds.
Battle Cannon vs. T 8 Sv 2+: 0.88 wounds.
Battle Cannon vs. T 9-10 Sv 3+: 0.78 wounds.
Battle Cannon vs. T 9-10 Sv 2+: 0.58 wounds.

Battle cannon is now almost always better than the lascannon, but the distribution is weird. Against T 7 and T 10, the battle cannon is much better, against T 9 it's barely better than the lascannon.

>>53165185
Pretty sure that's exactly how they'll deal with it. I think the next thing we're really waiting on is if/how keywords are going to work. We've got no idea how the old torrent weapons will work yet and how or if they'll interact with cover.

Could just be they'll be the same a a flamer but with a longer range, but I'm hoping for something more interesting

>>53163397
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/10/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-tau-empire/
Seems beleted.

>>53165279
The problem is that the modes that used to be blast are now really stronger than the other mode, and since they aren't different weapons you can't give them different cost value to make them more or less worth it
In the current situation I would never shoot with the focused mode

Maybe I should ask about it on their Facebook page

>>53165325
rused.

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>>53163378
you're right about the kitbashing part, but unless you're playing with tryhards(who wouldn't like your kitbash anyways, probably accuse you of modeling for advantage) Nothing is stopping your from making your own rules for custom models.
Much like >>53163456 said
And any ork worth his teef can make some awesome models that will never get rules. Like this looted carnifex, It's honestly wouldn't be to hard to give it a profile halfway between a carnifex and a dreadnaught. If anything 8e will make it easier since vehicles are like everything else now.

>>53163344
>(who lack resources to forge new gear)

Here we go with this meme. Remember when Chaos Marines could not have rotary guns (aka Assault cannons) then the Rubric Marines came with one?

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>>53164283

>liking teddy bear marines

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>>53164672

>>53165236
Im away from my comp can we get some verification on this?

>>53165334
Maybe the focused modes will give a large wound bonus like the melta at half range or something

>>53165334
Well, with that specific example, focused will be better against anything T 7 with a 4+ or better save or T 8 with a 2+ or better save. But no better against T 9 or more... not exactly intuitive.

>>53165456
It's just some simple fraction multiplication, surely the device you're posting on has a basic calculator?

>>53165342
oh.

>>53165456
Want to check math that you can do by hand?

Or I'm missing something?

>>53165382
Th TS weapons are a bit confusing because I remember there being fluff stating that Chaos doesn't have access to cyclone launchers or Assault cannons because they lacked the tech after the heresy. And yet here we are.

>>53165487
Shouldn't the dispersed mode have an advantage because of its multiple hits?

After all outside of special rules the focused mode will miss 1 every 3 shots

>>53165236
I wonder what they'll do with rapiers, think they'll have their own stat or literally be quad linked lascannon?

>>53165564
That was older lore and it was used to explain chaos legions lacking newer toys but this fell apart especially with the new Horus Heresy stuff from FW. Chaos lack a lot of those nifty toys too and are shown as having access to a lot of the stuff they don't have in 40k.

Also, it's worth noting that newly defected Space Marines would bring some gear too as well as scavenging from dead loyalists.

I heard there was a scan of the Shadow War: Armageddon rules floating around.

Anyone know where I can grab it?

>>53165627
Their general.

>>53165627
should be in the SW:A general search for /SWAG/ on the catalogue

>>53165648
>>53165655
Doesn't seem to be one up. I'll check later, thanks

>>53165626
See I get that but I'm fairly sure that TS don't get Assault cannons or cyclones in 30k and that Iron warriors are awash with cyclones

>>53164613
imo the chance to hit larger vehicles is significantly better , not to mention you can scatter onto a diffrent enemy
but granted , it's not as bad as i initially made it out to be when it comes to vehicles.
But now i do 2.4 unsaved wounds to MEQ's gutting what made the LR the mainstay of any guard army, it's versatility against both infantry there is going to be no reason to not take a vanquisher now unless they also made that retardedly bad.
to put things in perspective, a punisher gatling cannon (if it maintains it's current s5 ap)- does 2.7 unsaved wounds to marines and 1.111111 to a dread while still maintaining the huge damage potential against soft infantry which the battle cannon now sorely lacks

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>Hot-shot lasguns are Rapid Fire 2

Maybe my stormtroopers won't be quite so shitty this edition....

>>53163105

>tanks with toughness values, wounds, saves and no facings

>templates do identical hits to a grouped up horde of nidss as they do 3 terminators.

>bloodthirster as easy to hit as a grot in combat.

>land raiders can now die to lasgun fire

>all your formations are now obsolete

>all your rulebooks, codexes and 30k red and black books now obsolete


> conscript hits in combat before an aspect warrior if it managed to roll ts random charge dice first.

>independent characters are cannon fodder

>glory days of consolidating into next combat return. Enjoy getting your line rolled up.

>eldar still overpowered


What are you going to play now your games dead ?

>>53165753
You can fire hull and sponson weapons with battle cannon now. It's a flex pic that is reasonable good against anything istead of more specialized variants.

>>53165780
only if you use FRSRF
and it'll still be hot shit if you need to get within 9 inch range to effectively use it
also -2 rend is worse against everything but termies
atleast we wound t5 on a 5 now and t6+ on a 6

>>53165753
A weapon that costs more points is better? What a fucking shock.

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>>53163105
> Sternguard firepower LITERALLY DOUBLED
> COMBI-WEAPONS FIRE BOTH ATTACKS
> NO LIMIT ON NUMBER OF SHOTS.

GENTS, IT'S TIME TO DUST OFF MY RAPTORS STERNGUARD, THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY BE VIABLE THIS EDITION!

> Tfw you've already been putting combi-plas on all of your dudes
> Everything from the lowly scout sergeant, to your captains and sernguard veterans.
> And now your scout marines can once again put the fear of god into poor assholes.

>>53165785

>muh AV
id rather have more survivable tanks than them getting glanced to death for the millionth time

>muh templates
>what is battleshock

>muh bloodthirster
>letting your bloodthirster get hit by grots

>muh lasguns
lasgun fire destroying titans not being the reason the Emprah himself gave your sorry ass the weapon in the first place

>muh formations
formations are cancer and shouldnt have been in the game in first place

>codex creep
same as all the other codexes in the history of time

>muh charges
>letting your aspect warriors get charged by conscripts

>roll up wowohh
wow stop deploying your whole army within 6" of each other

>ELDAR OP
you have no way of knowing that yet

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>>53165861
WAT?

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>>53164002
> Bolter Centurions
> 24 bolter shots each
> 6 Heavy Bolter shots each
DAKKA

>>53165813
yeah but if that thing barely outpreforms a minigun tank against armor then what is the point ? Hull and sponson weapons need to be bought which costs points. as it looks now the base LR is going to be significantly less usefull compared to 7th unless it suffers a drop in point costs which i highly doubt it's not going to be worth it
i'm suspecting the Leman russ exterminator is going to outperform it in every field

>>53165785
lol you're funny anon. Make up more scary stories.

>>53165845
Damnit you're right.

Hype withdrawn, reserving for plastic Steel Legion.

>>53165915
What alternative world do you live if unlimited podding combi-weapons were bad?

>>53165941

Just stick some ork heads on and youre good to go

>>53165861
both a punisher and a vanquisher are cheaper than a standard LR in 7th you ape

>>53165915
Why do you stick so much foliage on all of your models.
>>53165916
>reddit spacing

>>53165915
I too am startingto appreciate my Deathwatch not selling.

Combi melta on everything.

>>53165971

nah im p hype for new stormtrooper rules

Especially with the deepstrike rumour where you dont scatter and always get half your guys turn 2.

Just deepstrike them in and fuck shit up.

>>53166002
no argument so you resort to
>muh reddit

triggered

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You guys ready for the age of the BRRRRRRRRRRRRRT

>>53163816
d100 is just the d10 with a zero after every number. They come in basically every basic polyhedral dice set.

Can the new edition just drop already?

Do we have an official launch date or just rumours?

>>53165753
Marines are 1 wound, so the real calculation is:
D6 attacks=~3.5
BS4+=~1.75
Sv5+=~1.1 Wound

Damage is of no consequence because it's a 1 wound model.

>>53166054

next couple of weeks hopefully.

the warhammer day event is 27th/28th so probably then.

also theres a live stream on the 13th where they may just dump a load of info.

>>53166038

SO HYPE

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>Grot blastas are actually viable weapons now
>Da boyz can get closer to the enemy faster during the movement phase
>no more i2/charging attacks first
>Twin-linked = double the dakka (15 Ork warbike squad = 90 SHOTS down range!?!
>combi-weapons aren't just glorified shootas anymore
>Nobz in a Naut

'Ere we go boyz! Time ta give da rest o' deez gits a proppa' stompin'!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!

>>53166086
damage doesn't work that way in aos and i see now way why it would work that way in 8th
this isn't like 7th D weapons which specifically mention the model suffers D3 wounds

>can finally play tau without using cheesetide and being called a faglord

H Y P E

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>>53166038
I just wanna have fun with sum dakka.
Warbikers and warbuggies with 6 shots per model.
Hell Warbuggies with 2 shot rokkits.

The Vulture is a sexy beast though.
Wonder how the vendetta will be with it's... 5 lascannon shots.
Or twinlinked large blast pods...

>>53164051
I hate that art not because the art itself is bad, but because that's not what Eldar look like. They're supposed to be incredibly uncanny valley to humans. If I want to fuck it, it's not an Eldar.

>>53166120
They confirmed on facebook that this is exactly how it will work

1 hit, 1 model

Damage doesn't carry over to other models

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>people are adamant Plasma Guns will be -3 rend and Autocannons -2 rend

Consider the following mathammer for Wounds inflicted with the max shots:

Rend -1 D3 Damage Autocannon:
Vs MeQ 0.4
Vs T8 3+ (vehicle) 0.2-0.6
Heavy Bolter:
Vs MeQ 0.6
Vs T8 3+ (vehicle) 0.3
Rend -2 Damage D3 Plasma Gun:
Vs MeQ 0.592
Vs T8 3+ (vehicle) 0.296-0.888
Meltagun
Vs MeQ 0.5
Vs T8 3+ (vehicle) 0.3-1.8 (not factoring for 2D6 pick the highest at close range)

>Autocannons are better at busting tanks than Heavy Bolters
>Plasma Guns are slightly better against infantry than Meltaguns

Obviously range is a factor, but if the points costs are similar to what they are now, they basically even out.

I'm out of the loop, are there any confirmed Tau nerfs? I want to play them but I don't want to be a faggot

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>>53166100
Waagh!
Here hopin' trukks'll be gud.
Full speed assault disembarkation please, Goliath truck style.

>>53166150
care to post proof ?
that would just completly invalidate The LR

>>53164143
Who says they won't triple in cost?

>>53164672
No. Because you are wrong.

>>53166191
Formations are out and they were the major power boost for tau. Also riptide is all but confirmed to take a hit, which is good thing for everyone.

>>53166200
>that would just completly invalidate The LR
Or encourage you to fire the lascannons at vehicles and other multi-wound models since that's a thing you can do now while the HB's mince infantry

>>53166175

nah Heavy Bolters are rend -1 and were Ap4

so Autocannons are probably the same.

It actually makes them better against marines out of cover. I'm glad that anything worse than Ap3 actually does damage now.

St7 ap4 spam is going to be better than before against high toughness stuff.

>>53166191
No "Tau" nerfs, just core game rebalance.

>>53166200
Shoot big shit, or multiwound infantry, the BC is a jack of all not a specialist gun.
Use the Exterminator for muhreens.
Vanquisher for really bigs
Punisher for hordes
Not hard.