Pathfinder General /pfg/

So what's the haps on Starfinder?

Anything good I should look forward to about it?

I've never seen a Pathfinder book that wouldn't have a fucking ugly, terrible, and unfitting cover.

>>53051058
I dunno, that actually seems kind of fitting for the Darklands.

>>53051057
We just don't know enough yet.

>>53051028
I wish Blightburner Kineticist was just a set of talents for Earth and Void, to be honest. But that's also because I'm a big kineticist fag

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>>53051057

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>>53050930 →
Only one of my examples here explicitly is. >>53050363 →

Though I'll agree that these kinds of characters being evil would be more thematic and typical.

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>>53051057

And here's some more.

>>53051123
Makes sense to me. Just because you are evil does not mean you have to be. Imagine Eins from Overlord

>>53051146
...Honestly I'm kind of hoping that Starfinder is good.

>>53051156
I hate Overlord and hate that it gets mentioned in these threads.

I haven't had a chance to look at it yet myself, so I'm eager to hear about what I have to look forward to!

Also, I'd welcome some thoughts on this, for a less spec-dependent ability to try to throw people: If you have an established grapple with a creature lighter than your light load, a successful grapple check allows you to treat them as an improvised ranged weapon on your next attack, with a range increment of 5 (+5 for every 10 by which the grapple check succeeds).

I figure I'll calculate damage on the fly, but I've got a player who's going grabbing-style half orc tetori in a fairly theatric campaign, and I want a throwing mechanic that feels like it comes out of Kung Fu Hustle more than WWE. Thoughts? Too broken to work? Passable?

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>>53051168

>>53051121
>>53051146
Thanks. Any image macro for the races? I want to show them to a friend.

>>53051168
Is that one of them chinese cartoons

>>53051187
Yes, its a really bad isekai

>>53051192
Most of 'em are really bad so that's no surprise

>>53051156
I read that as "Elvis the Overlord" and was VERY CONFUSED for a second.

>>53051178
Make one for Macross and SCHMUPS, but have it end with everyone having a good talk

>>53051206
its worse than normal honestly.

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>>53051176

These are the core races, though it's worth noting that the June preview will supposedly include statblocks for a few more, as well as conversion rules for other Pathfinder races.

>>53051207
If you DON'T stat elvis as a level 20 lich bard, then what are you doing.

>>53051239
>If you DON'T stat elvis as a level 20 lich bard, then what are you doing.
....
You son of a bitch, now I have to make him my next villain.

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To the Raven anon, just speaking ability wise Raven might just be the weirdest one to make for a PC meanwhile some other people like I-no might just be a bard turned to 11 multiclassing wizard or something

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I'm your GM.

I'm letting you multiclass in a batshit way and don't care what the consequences are, where you can take the benefits of any class's level AT the level you take it. So if you're a Fighter 2 and for your 3rd level you take Wizard, you gain a 2nd level slot and zero 0th and 1st level slots, just like a Wizard 2 would have gained from his 3rd level.

How would you hurt me?

>>53051236
What's the one on the very left?

>>53051252
share the statblock when you do. You can introduce him as 'The fallen king, risen again as overlord or song'

>>53051260
I'd tell you I love you.

And never speak to you ever again.

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>>53051156
Like literally nothing about anything they do about the things I listed except for the Knight of the Sepulcher explicitly includes doing or being evil. And even that one is only because they have to be Evil aligned because they're Anti-Paladins.

>>53051171
Any thoughts on this would be welcome please ;A;

>>53051233
I want an Isekai starring some redneck from rural Arkansas and his city-slicker cousin. Have the redneck be a master of common sense and jury rigging stuff, and have his city-slicker cousin be the negotiator and the one who THINKS he's right but the tropes and such he associates with Isekai and anime media are all wrong, they're actually in a much more Western-inspired setting

>>53051260
Human Overwhelming Soul Kineticist 1/Paladin 1/Oracle 1/Kineticist X/ Wendo Caller Spiritualist at level 6 and 11

>>53051267

Lashunta, a race of telepaths.

>>53051267
Lashunta. Psychic race with sexual dimorphism from a jungle planet

>>53051260
electroshock clamp attached directly to the prostate

>>53051260
I'd bounce between Rogue and Sorcerer right in front of you and make you watch

>>53051289
Passable. Check out the 'hurl' rage power from the barbarian. It works similar to what you are looking for

>>53051260
>>53051323
I'd bounce on your lap after the session, if you'll let me!

>>53051260
I'd tell you to take mercy on yourself and just run gestalt instead

>>53051171
What is your discord

>>53051349
I don't use discord.

>>53051302
>>53051311
It's safe to assume there are no males on that cover?

>>53051391
no

>>53051391
the Ksatha, Ysoki, and lizard man are probably males. The bug is likely female.

>>53051260
Probably play a paladin like I always do but take 1 level in negotiator bard to add half my class level to diplomacy.

>>53051493

Well, the shirren apparently have three genders. It's kind of a toss-up.

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>>53051260
Are you me?

>>53051540
How do you refer to the third gender? It?

>>53051558
Xer

>>53051317
which classes are these again

>>53051565
Oh, I hate this.

>>53051300
>tfw no reverse-Isekai where an Andoren (Taldan Human) Alchemist, an Osirioni (Garundi Human) Cleric, a Qadiran (Suli) Slayer, and an Absalomi (Half-Elf) Sorcerer find themselves in the middle of the tabletop games room at an anime convention

>>53051558
He/His
She/Hers
Shklee/Shklaeok

>>53051259
Off the cuff he'd probably be like, a UMonk with a super overloaded unique template that contained Regeneration [Insert Number Here] (None) and DR [Half HD]/-, and at-will Beast Shape II (Tiny Raven only). There's not really any other way to go about it. The majority of GG characters are like that though, and any attempts to build them probably will have to tune power levels/distribution to be more in-line with what pathfinder would allow. Some are just much easier to re-imagine down to pathfinder than others.

>>53051391
Males are aesthetically less appealing even if you like them. There's no point drawing any unless it's literally a case like Lashunti where there's an actual mechanics reason you'd want a male.

>>53051558
They'll probably be something completely made-up and unrelated to anything Earth-based. Like calling them "Kren/Kresh" or something.

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>>53051600
>Males are aesthetically less appealing even if you like them.

>Paizo is so down on their luck they can't even risk lost sales with a man on the cover

>>53051280
Oh man, I'm already loving this. Giving him Frozen Note. Paralyzes the party with his guitar and forces them to watch the timer count down before the bomb goes off, killing them all. He doesn't care, he's a lich, he'll be back in a few days.

>>53051558

Haven't the foggiest. Apparently they refer to said gender as "host", and it acts as an incubator in reproduction.

>>53051600
This is objectively false unless you're talking about anime girls

>>53051633
>it acts as an incubator in reproduction
Wow, talk about a genetic third wheel. Must be a miserable lot.

>>53051625
Well I mean if you hired a thirsty straight bitch artist you could say "do whatever you want" and get shafted with pics of boys, but any other time nobody on board should have any stake in or anything to gain from drawing men. Why would you, when you can draw women?

>>53051660
Its like when aliens lay eggs inside host creatures, except this is a gender evolved like that.

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>>53051600
>>53051671
>why would you [action] men, when you can instead [action] women?

Oh you're so funny, spouting your nonsense again.

>>53051660

Well, their race used to be part of a predatory hive mind-God knows what sort of genetic/ecological niche they were made to fulfill.

>>53051825

Can Hiveminds even have kinks?

>>53051825
>>53051840
apparently the reason they have a third gender is because they don't have enough queens to expand their race as fast as they are supposed to. So while the host is gestating the eggs, the females and males produce more. (Barring whatever their queens did)

>>53051840
>kinks
Cuckoldry, if this is anything to go by.
>Hey, I'm just gonna fuck this beautiful space princess here, and you can, like, take care of our kid for us.

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Which class offers the best options for a general necromancer?

Which class offers the best options for a necromancer that doesn't want anyone to know he's a necromancer?

>>53051884
Damn.

>>53051909
You will not get away with being a secret necromancer, detect evil exists and will ping you and your undead instantly

Stop.

>>53051926
Undetectable Alignment exists, anon

>>53051909
>Which class offers the best options for a general necromancer?
Wizard
>Which class offers the best options for a necromancer that doesn't want anyone to know he's a necromancer?
Wizard
>Which class offers the best options for...
Wizard

>>53051932
Yeah but that doesn't stop Deathwatch does it.

Nor will it explain why your 'TOTALLY NOT SKELETONS' disintegrate the first time someone channels positive energy.

>>53051932
How the fuck are you going to cast that on all your undead slaves?

>>53051909
>Best options for a general necromancer
Cleric, all around. There is no necromancy class better than cleric.
>Best class that offers options for a necromancer not to be known
Wizard. They have ways to hide their shit easier than a cleric.

>>53051938
Cleric is actually the best Necromancer.

>>53051909
>general necromancy

Spiritualist makes for a fun flavor of Necromancer, if you take the Necrologist archetype. Medium w/ the Hierophant spirit can actually switch between positive/negative energy channeling and can get some good cleric spells for reanimating folks. A Necroccultist/Occultist using the normal Necromancy implement can also have a LOT of undead minions .

>>53051967
>>53051968
What about any Sphere Caster. I feel like those would shit on any necromancer really hard.

Is PLD happening tomorrow? Who's gonna get it?

>>53051938
Actually not true, Clerics make much better necromancers, and arguably Occultists can make very good ones too. Wizard-Necromancers are more talented at using Bad-Touch spells rather than summoning hordes.

>>53051989
The new member's probably going to ride in, mounted on a horsecock

>>53051884
>>53051660
Well, I know how I'm going to be playing these guys. A gender of bitter cucks, who know that they're genetically dead-ends while they're forced to watch after the happier gender's kids.

>>53051989
Vult has said several times that it's Lysander's turn in the rotation

>>53051968
>>53051995
Not anymore, https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/classes/core-classes/wizard/archetypes/paizo---wizard-archetypes/undead-master-wizard-archetype

>>53051989
>>53051999
>>53052027
FUCK OFF

>>53051926
There are plenty of ways to hide your alignment. Are you retarded?

>>53051958
Why is a character that can use Deathwatch (a necromancy spell) going to give a shit if you're a necromancer?

What if your group doesn't have anyone that channels positive energy?

>>53051966
If you're smart about it then there won't be any need for your group to try to determine the alignment of your undead slaves.

Assuming your group doesn't have a good cleric/paladin or anything similar it's not like you're going to have someone trying to sniff these things out. If you're not complete garbage at bluffing and disguising then there's no reason anyone would be suspicious enough to check in the first place.

Do you spergs even know what roleplaying is? It's the entire foundation of the game you're playing.

>>53051986
Generally spheres arent allowed in play, but in general spheres are a lot more overpowered compared to even clerics. (which is saying a lot.)

>>53052007
Maybe they end up as hoardfighters for their space queen.

>>53051909
Wizards are good necromancers if you don't mind losing a lot of your minions. They are much better at necromancy spells that deal with fucking people directly, rather than having your minions fuck them. Example being touch of death, finger of death, etc. (I like finger of death because you are just giving them the middle finger with your high DC necromancy saves.)

Clerics on the other hand, they summon hoards very well, can buff all their minions with their multitude of buff spells and area enforcing spells, and can heal and bolster their minions even further. While gaining sick-ass cleric spells.

>>53052069
>but in general spheres are a lot more overpowered compared to even clerics
t. Retard.

>>53052056
>MUH GOOD NECROMANCERS

fuck off nigger.

>>53052037
anon that is just making up for what a wizard lacks in the terms of the necromancy department. Clerics still have the better end of the deal with their (actual) channel energies and multitude of other spells not gained. Plus they have a similar archetype.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo-cleric-archetypes/undead-lord/

>>53051986
Soul Weaver might work, especially that archetype from the war book.

>>53051986
You'll be good necromancer, but unless you build for it you won't be raising a whole army, and you'll be either shit or incapable of any other types of play if you want to be really good at necromancy

>>53052104
I didn't say anything about being good aligned.

Can you even read?

>>53051233
but it's not

>>53052130
Right

>>53052027
What's going to happen to Lysander?

>>53052152
FUCK OFF

>>53052141
So you can't read? I don't understand.

Can you really not fathom why an evil aligned necromancer wouldn't want people knowing about what he's doing on his own time?

>>53052167
Dude i'm really tired of necromancer memes.

>>53051028
>Heroes of the Darklands?

New or old Pdf?

>>53052187
New.

>>53052181
>1/8th of what constitutes "magic" is a meme
What's next, calling Abjurers memes?

>>53052205
>He plays an abjurer
Everyone look at him! Look at him and laugh!

>>53052205
G-guys i'm totally a heroic necromancer who is not evil at all, the hoard of shambling creatures behind me are just friends! haha.

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>>53052181
Then why are you here?

>aw man I'm really tired of people talking about magic in my pathfinder general!

Am I crazy in thinking that the Western film genre of story and the Samurai film genre are really similar? Could I mesh the two for a campaign and not have it be retarded?

>>53052231
Don't forget the part where those "friends" asked you to turn them into undead. They were 100% consenting and agreed to it. You even have signed consent forms. Nevermind that all the signatures are in the same hand writing, it's legit. Promise.

>>53052231
>>53052244
See:
>>53052167
You're the dipshit who brought up good aligned necromancers. No one here mentioned anything about being good or heroic until you came along.

>>53052240
I've done this before and it works out very well. Give it a shot, you will be surprised. Make sure to include monks deflecting and catching bullets.

>>53052260
Its generally assumed pathfinder characters are good or at least heroic, unless you're in an evil game.

>>53052231
where in the rules does it say you have to be good?

>>53052240
No, they're explicitly similar, see 'seven samurai' and 'magnificent seven' many western films are basically remakes of samurai films

>>53052152
Gunna get his boipucci stuffed by the tome manifestation

>>53052240

Not at all. In fact, people cottoned on to that particular cultural parallel a long time ago.

>>53052281
>haha i'm going to be an evil member of a good party, this always works out.

>>53052279
>Its generally assumed pathfinder characters are good or at least heroic
Not really.

>>53052305
jesus you're a dipshit. It's called a ROLE playing game.

>>53052289
>>53052270
Okay, because they seem to have a lot of similar tropes and conventions. The lone wandering hero, the impossibly quick draws, the bandits, so on. It seems like a fun idea. What's the time period for the samurai films?

>>53052305
Why wouldn't it? The vast, vast majority of adventuring parties work for lucrative profits and/or to save the world that people of all alignments happen to live on.

>>53052338
Sengoku i think

And yeah, they are very similar... Mostly because several of Akira Kurosawa's films were directly remade into spaghetti westerns.

>>53052338

Typically somewhere in the Sengoku jidai-1500s or so.

>>53052322
>>53052312
>>53052359
>this many people think playing an evil character in a good party can work out

"ITS WHAT MY CHARACTER WOULD DO XD"

Christ.

>>53052372
Why are we assuming the party is good?

Why are you sperging out so hard?

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>>53052279
Who assumes this?

It's a roleplaying game. Why the fuck would you limit yourself to only playing good aligned characters? Only a retard would do this and only a retard would assume everyone should do this. Anyone who thinks evil characters can't work in good/neutral parties has no idea how evil works. I would even go as far as to say they have no idea how alignment works.

Holy shit you people are hopeless. Why are you even playing a game like this in the first place?

>>53052372
You can be evil without killing babies and anyone who looks at you funny. I convinced a church that the local village was filled with heretics and I did this away from my party.

>>53052394
>>53052390
Because the vast majority of PCs are good/heroic. This isn't even an argument its just a fact.
>>53052398
>I fucked over the other players fuck I am so good at roleplaying.

>>53052372
So you can't roleplay any sensible Evil characters, good that you know you can't be trusted with certain concepts, but what does this have to do with other people's games?

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How many characters in /pfg/ games are evil, anyway?

How evil have they been?

Oh, and I do mean Evil characters in a non-evil campaign, none of that Hell's Vengeance stuff.

>>53052361
Interestingly enough, Kurosawa was also influenced by westerns, so the two genres fed into each other.

>>53052305
I'm currently doing this.

They don't mind as long as I'm doing evil at other evil things. Or at least things they don't like.

>>53052394
Anyone who's been burned by evil characters that couldn't play well with the other PCs, that's who.

If you're playing an evil character, you have to plan that shit with the other players, otherwise it's just going to turn into a shitshow.

>>53052412
it didn't fuck over the other characters. Why would that fuck over the other characters?

>>53052425
Honestly, I consider samurai moves and westerns to be the same genre.

>>53052398
>>53052412
Evil characters literally just have different priorities that are 9 times out of 10 compatible with a heroic adventure in these games. The dick ass thief rescuing the king's castle is the one driving the roleplaying scene afterward about how much fucking gold that is worth; he didn't just oppose the mission or start killing people at random for fun. That's not what non-cartoon Evil is about unless you're literally a psychopath or an actual demon.

>>53052422
None because any sane GM knows evil characters in a good campaign is CANCER.

>>53052478
Thats CN, not evil you fucking tard.

>>53052497
Any GM that feels that way is not a good GM.

If you're a GM with any experience at all, you can make it work as long as you work with your players and clarify that the person playing the evil character isn't going to go around eating babies.

>>53052412
>Because the vast majority of PCs are good/heroic. This isn't even an argument its just a fact.
That's not how that works. The vast majority of PC's in my experience are neutral.

>>53052478
The Evil character is the more likely one driving the roleplaying scene about how much gold that is going to be worth BEFORE they save the king's castle.

Which mind you is still fully and wholly compatible with a Good party, and even one with a goddamn Paladin in it wouldn't be outright executing Fuckface for having that entertaining scene. A party with widely varied priorities is really basic fiction shit, but it's unsurprisinge /pfg/ doesn't get it.

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So what's the difference between a LG Murderhobo and a CE Murderhobo?

>>53052615
The LG pretends its for a good cause, the CE...can also technically pretend its for a good cause >.>

I don't think there is a difference.

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>>53052615

CE types won't invite you to picnics.

>>53052690
That's a complete lie, CE can do whatever it wants.

>>53052720

Yeah? How often will they want to have a nice picnic? And how often will they invite you to it?

>>53052690
But you can invite a CE to a picnic.

>>53052720
>CE can do whatever it wants

That's CN, anon.

>>53052720
CE are basically psychopaths

>>53052750
They can invite you to it, except who knows what's going to happen at the picnic?

>>53052846
Probably murder

>>53052422
Once played a card-carrying LE half-orc, who spent his free time using the nearest threat of danger to scare commoners into joining Asmodeus's cult or killing random hobos to heal his wounds.
The party only found out about the first one and stopped him, but it was all somewhat friendly snark and banter. Game had taken a darker turn anyways by the time my character joined, so no issues there.

>>53052862
Probably monster rape.

Willingness to harm others for gain and disregard for the rules of others doesn't make you a mindless berserker, that's a stereotype of a BAD ROLEPLAYER, not a real alignment.

Actual CE can literally describe people who are successfully being scum in high places on fucking Wall Street right now. Because the alignment is not the whole character, you fucking idiots.

>>53052972
Not really no

>>53052972
>Willingness to harm others for gain and disregard for the rules of others

>Trump is Chaotic Evil
yeah ok

>>53053033
Take it to /pol/, bucko.

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Wondering who would start a CE alignment discussion on /pfg/? Isn't this normally a fun place, full of innocent hypotheticals and playful banter? Who would want to bring ruin to that?

'TWAS I, VILDERAVN. THE WHOLE TIME. WITNESS HOW FRAGILE YOUR ALLEGIANCES ARE!

Reminder that one of the archetypical fantasy parties had a evil wizard among their number and it worked out just fine, even when they had the avatar of the LG god travelling with them.

>>53053199

The story that started it all.

thank god i got it

thank god i got it

thank god i get high on dope

>>53053247
To be fair it's one of the better stories for a good-aligned necromancer.

>>53053199
unfortunately, this Necromancer didn't take into account the HD limit of undead he could control or the fact that they were always evil, likely as soon as he left a particular town and started raising undead in another town, they fell upon the populace and began to murder and devour them. No wonder they wanted to return to the 'tyrannical' kings they had before, as bad as that was, it was better than seeing their loved ones, children, mothers and fathers consigned to lives of undead servitude and become murderous creatures at seemingly random as they get released from the Necromancer's control.

For having a bunch of Int, he sure is a retard.

>>53053276
He taught people how to make undead for themselves so unless THOSE people left the area or let them go, the plan would still work.

>>53053084
/pol/ hates trump right now though. Do you even know your own boogeyman?

>>53053319
Fantastic, he's given insane power to randies, how does he know their morals? How does he know they'll resist the corruption of evil magic like he did? This is communism all over again, he's handed over INCREDIBLY CORRUPTIVE POWER to a bunch of people, so now the random locals are just under the heel of a Tyrant again, except this tyrant owns them in death as well as life, fantastic.

Fucking slowclap, bravo. Bravo.

Dude must have like 7 wisdom.

>>53053320
I mean
>It's still an anti-trump post
>it's still politics regardless of it's alignment
So it belongs on fucking /pol/.

>>53053347
>How does he know they'll resist the corruption of evil magic like he did?
I assume the part where he left behind "prosperous well fed democracies".
>how does he know their morals
I assume that comes up as he teaches them.

>>53053235
Oh, and said setting has an entire order of evil-aligned mages who work with their neutral and good brethren for the sake of magic itself.

>>53053320
It's not a boogeyman, keep all politics on /pol/ no matter what.

>>53051259
Why is Baiken so fucking hot
I want Baiken to bully me

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>>53053199
>>53053276
>>53053319
>>53053347
>>53053383
>this is probably from a completely different setting, using completely different rules and assumptions from the base game
>people will still argue and throw bitch fits because "good necomancer" is the easiest possible bait you could ever lay down

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>>53053383
You're right comrade, nothing bad could possibly happen.

>>53053402

She's a tough girl with huge boobs, everyone loves that.

>>53053347
By that logic, teaching anyone anything that could feasibly be weaponized is capital e Evil.
I'd recommend you go smite your local martial arts instructors, chemistry professors, and certainly any gunsmithing schools in the area.

>>53053412
I'm honestly not sure where the whole "muh communism" thing is coming from either aside from you injecting your own politics into the discussion.

Wouldn't keeping the masses nice,ignorant, content and poor as fuck actually be more communist?

>>53053403
Sucy isn't lawful good how does she form party with main characters??????

>>53052027
>>53051989
I thought Cashmere's ordeal wasn't over?

>>53053437
>I'm going to overthrow the 'tyrants'
>I give the people technology and make them prosperous, aka giving them the means of production
>Democratic

Gee anon I don't know

>>53053441
Nobody ever suggested that a party has to be only LG or even G, just that Evil is highly disruptive, you nonce.

>>53053221
I just noticed how much Vilderavn looks like Artorias.

>>53053455
I mean sounds like every revolutionary ever regardless of where they sit on the spectrum. No one IRL has gotten up and said "I'm going to go out there and oppress the SHIT out of these motherfuckers".

And unless you played in the setting, you really can't try to suggest that those tyrants were good rulers who dindu nuffin.

>>53053461
So Raistlin was disruptive?

(From what I recall, the original trilogy was based on a actual played campaign)

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>combing through roll20 random games
>played various tabletops for twelve years, but still pretty new to roll20
>used it for a bit a long time ago with a group of friends
>like 3 years ago
>flip on the "welcomes new players" box to be safe
>don't want to drag others down while getting used to the site again
>can't judge the DMs but apps are in general fucking awful
>3rd grade grammar, edgy anime heroes the fucking works
>realize the new players means new to roleplaying in general

fuck me, anyone have any recommendations?

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Blingmaker greentext WHEN

>>53053199
Remember...

The best BBEGs...

Don't think they're the bad guys.

>>53053500
I'm not even suggesting that the tyrants didnu nuffin

I'm suggesting that the tyrants were probably better for the populace than leaving them with a bunch of necromancers who could enslave them in life and death, imagine seeing your dead father dredged up from the grave for an eternity of servitude, and if a necromancer were to suddenly die then all the undead in the region could go rogue and start murdering everyone nearby

>>53053511
>Random roll20 games

fuck dude just wait for a /pfg/ game that interests you to go live

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>>53053511
How well do you handle degeneracy

>>53052972
That's Neutral Evil or Lawful Evil
due to the Chaotic half of Chaotic Evil, you can't actually make it big on Wall Street without honoring agreements and stuff.

>>53053437
>Wouldn't keeping the masses nice,ignorant, content and poor as fuck actually be more communist?
No, read Das Kapital and the Manifesto or at least the wikipedia page on communism
With the exception of Mao's autism, communist countries generally invest heavily into infrastructure and education, and their people being poor is more a side result of Communism well not actually working well, and less a result of them wanting to keep people poor.

>>53053535
>imagine seeing your dead father dredged up from the grave for an eternity of servitude,
I mean, it's just flesh. His soul still gets to chill out in heaven.

>>53053592
actually apparently pathfinder necromancy fucks with souls too which is why it triggers Pharasma so hard

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>>53053547
Chaotic evil doesn't have to be stupid evil either, though. Hedonism sounds like certain folk.

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>>53053543
I've been slowly checking them out, that kobold space hopping one seems alright. DA doesn't interest me, and I'm not in a giant robot mood.
>>53053545
Among my friends, I'm iffy. I hate when people bring magical realm stuff into IRL games, especially since we tend to cycle some new people i.e. normies in every now and then.

Online, with anonymity though? I can handle much, MUCH more. So if you have suggestions, feel free to throw them out.

>>53053634
Pretty sure that kobold one is just a funny title for the sequel of the old Mighty Quest for Epic Loot by the same guy a couple years ago.

Either way it sounds like a fun one. Especially how its going to convert to starfinder.

>>53053535
>>53053605
>a bunch of necromancers who could enslave them in life and death
>if a necromancer were to suddenly die then all the undead in the region could go rogue and start murdering everyone nearby
>actually apparently pathfinder necromancy fucks with souls too which is why it triggers Pharasma so hard

I'm getting a solid chuckle at how the greentext is likely not a standard D&D setting, which means it could potentially not have the same rules about undead, and people still jump on this shit. The greentext does not have enough details for you to actually draw a conclusion on how undead function in the setting, only make wild ass guesses based on entirely different settings.

>>53053723
I'm just guessing on generalized d&d rules

>>53053634
Feel free to hang around here and see what games crop up then. I make no promises as to the quality of the games or the players therein, but I can say that I'm having a good time with the people I wound up with. Just be prepared for memes and sadness.

>>53053524
When the session is over?

>>53053738
Looking at generalized D&D rules the story is bullshit, and no sane player would follow through with it because shit's fucked. Either the player is retarded, or it is not running on generalized D&D rules, but there's not enough information to tell either way.

>>53053547
You don't have to LIKE honoring agreements to be a person who does when beneficial. You're trying to force a level of unintelligence with the alignment when they're not related.

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>>53053756
>memes and sadness
so business as usual, got it.
Think I'll apply for mighty quest in the meantime
>>53053680
>especially how its going to convert to starfinder
oh, that's going to be a thing?
uhhhhh
Oni in space? That might be a weird transition, but as long as there's money to be made I guess.

>>53051968
>>53051938
>>53051967
Juju Oracle is the best necromancer by a good margin.

>>53053903
Oni are spirits born of the Material Plane from lingering greed, desire, and lust for life that's left over when a hedonist des

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>look at Pathfinder races
>there are furries but no cute animal girls
>kitsunes are just fox furries instead of the cute fox eared lolis that they're supposed to be
>there aren't even catgirls
This cannot be forgiven!

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>>53053969
bakenekos and yokai, dsp saved anime

>>53053980
I'm still waiting for Trump to make anime real, like he promised.

>>53054003
Surely /pol/ wouldn't lie about that promise

>Nyaa.se deleted

S U R E L Y

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>>53053969
I know this is obvious bait but I'll bite anyway

>no cute animal girls
Literally catfolk, it's in the description of the race that they can be "walking cat" to "person with animal ears". Hell, Agathian Aasimar and Rakshasa Tieflings also count.

>kitsune... cute fox eared lolis that they're supposed to be
But that's completely wrong you little bitchboi

>>53053969
I want you to die, Kitsuneposter.

>>53054036
TRUMP Didn't delete anime! The EU did!

The EU hates anime! This is a declaration of war! Clear as crystal!

The only acceptable furries are agathions because they are celestial, everything else is degenerate.

Did we get greentext from LoB&F?

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>>53053969

>Expecting someone to seek forgiveness when they could become a WIZARD instead

Pathfinder might not be the game for you, anon.

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>>53054060
What about Khajit? Argonians are nice, I agree, but surely Khajit have a place too?

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>>53054067
the laser-eye owl gets me every time in that image

>>53053969
cute girls with animal ears and tails is just beinr a furry without commitment

>>53054073
Khajit's aren't a thing in PF you filthy scrub.

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>>53054127
Catfolk function similarly, though without an actual explanation as to WHY they're like this.

>>53054073

Of course, anon. On Wanted posters.

For stealing my heart.

And a shitton of my stuff.

Question 1: How do I make Magical Child not suck?

Question 2: How do I build a gun-using Magical Child and not suck?

>>53054164
Don't be a magical child and simply take the transformation sequence social talent introduced in blood of the beast.

>>53054164
kids are fast right? Make it a goblin or kobold and be even faster. Then shoot things with your high dexterity gunslinger/sorcerer multiclass

>>53054164
>By just picking Transformation Sequence as a Social Talent and being a different archetype
>You weep uncontrollably because guns suck fat cock or you beg for Jolly content

>>53054067
This looks like it should have been a 6th gen mascot platformer character. We got Sly Cooper and Ratchet but we missed the last party role.

>>53054188
The Gunsmoke Mystic is a perfectly decent gun-user. Of course, it's also 3PP.
Paizo loves hating guns.

>>53054164

Well, Magical Child CAN actually use familiar archetypes, which can then work with the whole "Improved Familiar" transformation.

>>53054042
How come all the official art is just fucking furries then?

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Naval combat rules a shit.

>>53054142
That's dumb, it shouldn't vary that much WITHIN the family. And it should have to do with how many human daddies are in the family tree.

>>53054231

Magic and pandering are a powerful combination.

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>>53054200

Right?

>>53054209

I think anon means the "cute fox-eared lolis" thing is wrong.

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>>53054209
Because that's what the devs felt like putting there, and the race doesn't come up much for there to even be much official art of them. Also somehow the official artists are usually pretty good about avoiding Generic Furry Face Syndrome, so it's actually almost tolerable most of the time. Then again, sometimes you get pic-related instead.

>>53054231
Bitch it's fucking MAGIC.

>>53054178
Well how do I make a Vigilante not suck at combat then? They seem pretty not great

>>53054271
Vigilantes are fine at ranged combat

The problem is guns.

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Is this any good?

I want to make one but not if it sucks.

>>53054271
You picked arguably the weakest caster vigilante, gave it a gun, and ask us why it's bad at combat. C'mon bro.

>>53054292

Which one?

>>53054313
Oh, whoops.

The Shaman archetype.

>>53054339
Its alright, mainly trades out a hex for minor bonuses

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Unrelated but, rules question:
Since a snare setter counts as a ranger for the purpose of the learn ranger trap feat, does thay mean a snare setter can utilize ranger traps as a supernatural skill, rather than extraordinary only?

>>53054308
I mostly just wanted the transformation for flavor and the guns for fun. If bows are significantly better like they always are, I'm not opposed. Just disappointed it can't be fixed.

>>53054408
The transformation is literally a social talent now. Does the SRD seriously not have that updated yet? If it doesn't, I recommend one of the Vigilante guides on the zenith guide list.

>>53054380
Don't think so. If you are planning a kobold rogue, snare setter is the only good one. Plus its super fun.

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>>53053402
Cause she's a strong proud woman

>>53054443
But having a -2 to all dcs sucks. To spotting plus saves.

>>53053402
>Strong woman from the long destroyed moon land
>Mysterious, drinks and smokes, sounds angry all the time
>Goes toe to toe with crazy bullshit superhumans and bioweapons, and keeps up despite just being a cripple with a sword
>okay she has nip magic on her side but still
>Ready for any occasion, can summon tatami mats from thin air
>I hope you like tatami mats

>>53051028
I play a fungus-themed alchemist in Strange Aeons. I was excited to hear about the Fungalchemist archetype in this. Then I read it. Adding a minor debuff to your bombs isn't really worth not being able to add any additional effects to your bombs. I'd rather stick with Horticulturalist.

>>53054380
>>53054512
You can use it as a supernatural, but you have to meet the similar requirements of using it as well.

When was the last time you had a proper wizard duel?

I ended up having one recently and didn't have much fun because I invested a fair bit in being a counterspelling expert and essentially countered everything he tried to cast.

My character was basically a trained military mage who accompanies an extermination team and suppresses enemy mages, so I guess this is my job, but it made it sort of boring.

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>>53054558
Most of the ranger traps don't include any other requirements when used as supernatural though, which is the confusing bit. I see the ones listed in KoG do carry key supernatural materials, but the basic ones do not.

What's your favorite feat? Why?

>>53054620
Then there you go. It includes both because they can still be detected with detect magic, or not work in an antimagic field.

>>53054674
I unironically love the dimensional agility chain, its just so satisfying.

>>53054613
My Technomancer Witch vs. Krune, the Runelord of Sloth.

The rest of the party was pretty much entirely focused on killing cultists, summons, and Lissala's herald, so my Witch and Krune had several rounds to go one on one. It was pretty damn intense, with multiple Quickened Spells, along with some nasty save or dies thrown around on both sides, but eventually I stuck him with a Suffocation, after blowing his Contingency with a Feeblemind.

>>53054674
Equipment Trick or Weapon Trick.

Feats like those should have been more common from the beginning.

>>53054674

Quick Draw, solid and fun feat if your DM actually pays attention to how you stow your gear, especially in ambush rounds

>>53054741
And building off that, Improved Quick Draw from PoW. Let's you threaten AoOs even if your weapon is sheathed.

>>53054741
How so? Aside from full-attack thrower builds, I don't see how it's so great.
Unless you're silly, you'll have an always-armed weapon of some sort.

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>>53054674
not even sorry
ok I'm a little sorry, but not enough

>>53054769

Because if your weapon is sheathed, like you're not dungeon crawling it takes your entire surprise round to draw it. Alternatively if you are in normal initiative you can't full attack until your weapon is drawn. Also lets you swap weapons fairly smoothly if you're not worried about abandoning dropped weapons.

And then it comes with +2 initiative which is never going to be bad

>>53054795
Wait, Quick Draw has +2 initiative?

>>53054795
But you should, if you're even remotely ready for combat, have armor spikes, spiked gauntlets, or be a unarmed fighter. You don't draw any of those. Sure, they're worse than your main arm, but they're not godawful, and they're downright fine if you're an initiator which IQD implies you have access to.
And if you're getting jumped while out of armor, you're already screwed.

Also, not seeing how you're getting +2 initiative.

>>53054795
>>53054769
if you do a dualwield revolver build, quickdraw is indispensable. Both for thematic purposes and for reloading. There is a feat called Gun Twirling, which allows you to sheath a one-handed firearm as a free action. Which means drawing and sheathing is a fee action. Reloading two guns is no longer a problem. (Plus feinting with a firearm)

>>53054850
I've done this one before as a skeletal gunslinger. Very fun, tricking people out with spinny gun moves.

>>53054847
Me neither. Neither Quickdraw or Improved Quickdraw gives +2 Initiative,

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/quick-draw-combat-final/

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/pow-e-feats/

>>53054907
i think he's thinking of gunslingers who get +2 init packaged with it as a deed

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>>53054690
Maybe, but they include both the (ex) and (su) tags because a trapper ranger can choose either at the time of creation. Extraordinary traps take a -2 pentalty to dc to spot and avoid, and decay over intervals of days instead of hours.
Take for example snare trap. It doesnt clearly make distinction between what makes the trap extraordinary or supernatural, just that a ranger can choose either.

>>53054907
Yeah I just looked up the Combat Stamina benefit and it's just sheathing as a Swift Action.

>>53054928
Maybe you should run it that way koboldchan des

>>53054921
No, it's a deed that gives them +2, and, if they have Quick Draw, the ability to draw the weapon as part of rolling initiative. Swashes, Sleuths and probably a bunch of archetypes based on Gunslingers and Swashbucklers get it too.

>>53054979
I said packaged with it as a deed, yes.

>>53054960
What do you mean?

>>53055006
I thought they were extraordinary or supernatural because of how long you can take to set them and if they use materials or not?

>>53054998
You don't get it packaged with it. The deed has two separate benefits. One of them is +2 initiative. The other is, IF YOU ALREADY HAVE Quick Draw, you get another shitty benefit.

>>53055030
Ech.

>>53055023
From my understanding ranger traps of all types take just one full round action to set unless otherwise specified.

"Ranger traps are either extraordinary or supernatural; extraordinary traps are Type: mechanical, and supernatural traps are Type: magic. Some of the traps listed below may be set as extraordinary traps or as magical (supernatural) traps; learning such a trap lets a ranger set it either way. An extraordinary trap has a –2 penalty to its DC. An extraordinary trap lasts 1 day per ranger level or until it is triggered, whichever comes first. A magical trap lasts only 1 hour per level or until triggered, whichever comes first. A trap’s DC decreases by 1 for each full day (or hour, for a magical trap) that passes after it is set."

I was only asking because it doesnt really make sense for rogues to be able to use supernatural style traps which dont include spell components, since rogues do not have caster levels.

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Why do you stay when you know there are better systems, /pfg/? I'm not asking in some snarky, dismissive tone; I'm legitimately curious. I'm holding my copy of Bestiary 6, reading about alps and vrykolakas, and seriously pondering giving the Ironfang Invasion a chance after reading it's full premise. But what makes PF your 'main' system? With all the bloat and imbalancing, why do you stay with Pathfinder?

For me, I think it's just hometown syndrome. I was born in third edition, I'll die in third edition. It's just in my nature.

>>53055128
Because there's only one other GM in the area who has half a clue how to make a story that's not about GMPCs, I don't like GMing more than two campaigns in parallel, I don't like online, and he only runs PF and 5e.

>>53055128
I've yet to find a fantasy system that does magic in a way I like. If you can point me to a system that has something like 3.5 style Psionics or Tome of Battle then I'll be happy to switch.

>>53055092
Monks don't have caster levels too but they can use supernatural abilities from all sources?

>>53055128

Inertia. My group rotates GMs. We have four in the stable right now, including me. Three of them run exclusively Pathfinder. I run, well, basically anything else.

That still means that 3/4ths of the time (and 100% of the time as a player) I'm playing Pathfinder.

It'd be nice to get them to move out of their comfort zone, but right now it seems like they're fine with me being the zany new system guy and that's it. I originally hoped that running different systems might get them interested in playing or running them on their own. No such luck.

So I play the game, I read the media, I pirate the new books and read them, and I still have fun sitting around and drinking beer and eating pizza and rolling dice, but that's not really system-specific. Oh well.

>>53055128
All my tabletop RPG friends across three different playgroups play Pathfinder and are at the absolute best hesitant about trying other systems. Most of the time they won't try something new even if I tell them that I'll host it and run them through everything from build to play so they don't have to read the rules unless they want to.

If it were up to me I'd leave Pathfinder behind forever but instead I'm stuck with them and I'm stuck with you guys in hopes that between my lurking and hiding posts, I'll catch an interesting build that won't give me new things to hate about the system.

>>53055128
I unironically love the variety of internal systems in the greater 3.5+PF scope. It's a clusterfuck but sometimes I like that things can work like vancian, or like psionics, or like incarnum, or like ToB, or like pact magic, or like warlocks, or they can work without extra systems, you just go with however you feel like the game you want to play. It's not always fair but sometimes it doesn't take much of a change to make it more fair, and that's good enough given the size of it.

Paizo hates this big system strength though, so it's vancian all day forever. I can still add their stuff so I'm whatever about it.

>>53055140
>>53055161
>>53055192

Pathfinder is like the Xbox One of tabletop systems. The only reason anyone plays it is because their friends already have one and won't switch.

>>53055128
PF was my first system, and attempts at branching out haven't worked well; 5e, Shadowrun.

I'm still keen to hear good suggestions for new systems to learn. Would be nice to find a system designed to be good at something other than squad-level dungeoncrawling.

>>53055222
Honestly with how fucking slowly my group plays, it makes me wonder if it's actually a good dungeoncrawler. If a single skeleton pops out of a closet we're down an hour.

>>53055291
>You enter a room; three corpses lay on an experimental table, two human and one spider. The legs of the spider have been removed and sewn onto the human. There is a bucket of blood under the table along with a scroll case and three bottled filled with an unknown fluid. In the corner of the room lies a piller of glowing green crystal with a rune eched into the surface.
>"nope fuck that fuck this room altogether, dont check the bottles or the scroll case or anything, just go the other way and never come back."

>>53055291

If it doesn't have a needless amount of tiny modifiers, tons of math, zero mook rules with huge stat blocks for every creature, and enough optional or conditional rules to fill up a Bible-sized tome, is it even really Pathfinder?

Pathfinder's niche is the complexity of character creation (or rather, the extreme amount of character options). If you're the kind of guy who likes to dig into character creation and break it, and then watch that build come alive at the table and test its viability, Pathfinder is a lot of fun. Perhaps not coincidentally, I've found that the guys who spend hours and hours on TappedOut making sure their MTG decks have a perfect mana curve or whatever also love Pathfinder. It's the same kind of feeling. Totally nothing wrong with that, by the way.

But Pathfinder certainly isn't the best dungeon crawler out there (even if that might nominally be said to be its focus). Not to give an exhaustive list or anything, but just pick an OSR game at random and it probably does it better, and OSR games are hardly the only other options out there. A lot of the design decisions in Pathfinder (Not least of all the ones I mentioned above) are downright antithetical to dungeon crawling. Pathfinder is for making characters. I can understand why people play it. I will *never* understand why people GM it. That's a fucking nightmare. But hey, god bless 'em I guess.

>>53054432
If memory serves, the old srd had it updated, but the new one was behind.

>>53055291
>just an hour
>not having a stuttering barely functional group member in 2017
>who picked any class, let's be real. I had one guy in high school who played a simple rogue and could never, EVER, even ONE FUCKING TIME, remember what Sneak Attack did. He would always just say "I use Sneak Attack". He'd have only a melee weapon but wouldn't move up to the enemy beforehand or position or set up anything that enables Sneak Attack at all. After 10 minutes guiding him into a scenario where SA is actually possible, he'd pick up a d6 or two and start rolling. I would then need to explain - repeatedly because it's hard to make him get it - that Sneak Attack isn't an action, it's something he gets if he hits with his weapon. Then after he gives me the most confused look possible, I have to explain how attack rolls work, for the millionth time, and how they're not damage rolls, and how to calculate his bonus, and then his weapon damage rolls, and how they're not the attack rolls. Then he rolls some dice, then asks me how much he did. This was every single game, sometimes over and over within those games. The only thing Sadder was him getting into Assassin and trying to use Death Attack, which required even more explanation when used, but was mainly sad because he wasn't smart enough to see how useless it was to him. He spent most combats sitting out staring down someone to hit once if ever.

>>53055493
I'll admit that it feels like you are describing me when I look at the book.

And I want to run Starfinder. How screwed am I?

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>>53055532

Well, we don't actually know how Starfinder works yet, so we can't really say. That said, I think you'll be alright.

>>53055532
There's nowhere to go but up. Starfinder cannot be worse, and playing it early on in its release will mean playing without any bloat, so ostensibly it will be quick and easy to run... Probably.

>>53055558
>>53055551
Thanks, it's the boost I needed right now.

I'm looking forward to seeing some of the suggested character types. I'm actually at a bit of a loss of how the psychic race would operate, or the Android one now that you can't just Pinocchio it.

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>>53055582
But who's? And are you willing to share?

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Seems pretty slow for this hour. I figured the Europeans/Asians would be getting up and playing now. I'll throw out a few images and ideas to carry over the thread.

I'm on the fence about the bugs. Breaking from the hive mind is very cool, but I wouldn't have minded a more alien appearance, if you get me.

I am.curious about the third gender, and I want to see how Paizo handles it.

>>53055731
Who do you think I am, Rory?

>>53055758
You could be my Rory...

>>53055766
Post your discord and I'll be the judge of that

>>53055731
You know there's only one qualified daddymancer 'round these parts, anyway. Who else could it be?

I know I'm just gonna roll up a human fighter anyway

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While I can trust Paizo to subvert, then undermine, then pave over with radioactive concrete, my expectations,

I really hope they do the space reptiles justice. I hope they don't just make them Klingons and give them some diversity.

>>53055783
Vult?

>>53055801
That's almost as far from daddy as you can even get, son

>>53051752
The way I see it, action women are good attention grabbers because they don't exist in reality.
Kinda like how commercials and tv shows have a ridiculous ammount of redheads despite them being 2% of the world's population.

>>53055800
Shepard

>>53055876
Wrex.

>>53055886
>>53055876
You know what really triggers me about mass effect

The Krogans were an excellently done warrior guy race, they were the ultimate warrior guy race who had warrior guyed so hard that they fucked themselves over, and that was cool

And Wrex was the philosopher king trying to save them

>>53055898
AND THEN THEY FUCKED IT UP

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>>53055861
>tfw have a thing for black hair
>they all dye it to be dark red or platinum blonde

Quickly gents, what books and/or alternate rules and shit do I need to run a game set in a Late-Antiquity inspired world?

>>53055941
Bronze n shit famalam

>>53055941
just do it you nigger

>>53055950
>Late Antiquity
>Bronze

>>53055951
>just do it
Not without verisimilitude you double nigger.

>>53055968
I don't know when bronze stopped being used, and 250 AD seems fucking close enough. Look, if it's after bronze and shit, why the fuck are you asking about alternate rules. What kind of shit are you expecting?

Is it considered douchey or lame to intentionally hide your character's power level until a critical moment?

I'm in a very low power party with only modestly experienced players, and I've been pulling my punches fairly hard.

>>53055990
Nah, it's fine. But I'd honestly suggest finding a group with a higher power level. Having to constantly hold back isn't fun, and low power doesn't mean better roleplay.

>>53055968
Nigger its just a setting, you don't need rules for that shit just go

>>53055985
Plate armor seems odd in a setting set around 400AD. And if there're any rules to make other aspects of the game capture that era, I want in on that.

>>53056019
Nah nigga nah. Rules give structure to a setting.

>>53056024
So don't have plate, or guns, or better yet, poke around pfsrd instead of bothering us. >>53056019 is right, just fucking play it, we don't know what you're looking for and it either doesn't exist, or is a shit subsystem.

How's Vigilante archery? Just "full BaB archer" good or "full BaB archer with relevant features" good?

Someone asked about how to build Megumin in PF yesterday. I thought an Arcanist using Consume Spells to buff up a single spell was the way to go, but it didn't work out with the limitations on how much you can shove onto a single spell. You just gotta ignore the extra slots. But here's the Exploiter Wizard I did end up with in case they're still interested or trying.
Exploiter Wizard 15
STRAT:
One EXPLOSION is made out of 2 Fireballs Metamagic'd to makai and back.
Shove Quickened, free Stylized, and Intensify onto your first Fireball when prepping. With both Traits in effect, it should go 0+3+4+1-2= 6th level spell slot. We get to choose the order of Metamagic effects are applied to be most beneficial, so at casting time we start with Maximize applied for free with Spell Perfection because we don't want to exceed that 9th level spell slot clause. We then use the Metamixing Arcane Exploit to apply Widen, increasing the spell slot from 6th to 9th . But wait, we just applied a metamagic feat to our chosen spell that increases the spell slot by at least one level, so Magical Lineage kicks in again and reduces it to 8th so we can still cast it. Now our metamagic rod applies Dazing a +3 value, for free.
The second Fireball of the explosion need not be Quickened. Save your higher +s for Spell Perfection and Metamixing.
(Cont)

>>53056136
When prepping the second Fireball, apply Lingering and Extended. Note that targets that take damage the first round don't take Fireball damage again, but now that it is not an Instantaneous effect, they are subject to catching fire proper if they remain in the blast zone. Anyone who enters the crater in the next two rounds has to make their own saves. Also apply Intensified, Focused, and Piercing, and your free Stylized 0+3+1+1+1+1+1-2= 6th . Now use Spell Perfection for Maximize, Metamixing for Widen. This leaves us with a 8th level slot Fireball, which takes our bonus spell slot. Might as well apply Dazing for free with that metamagic rod again.
Remember to use 2 Arcane Reservoir points to increase the save DC of each Fireball by 2 thanks to Potent Magic.

Exploits: Metamixing, Familiar, Potent Magic, Bonus Metamagic Feat
FEAT: Spell Perfection, Spell Focus (Evocation), Greater Spell Focus (Evocation), Stylized Spell Mastery
METAMAGIC FEATS:
Maximize (+3)
Intensified (+1)
Quickened (+4)
Widened (+3)
Lingering (+1)
Extended (+1)
Focused (+1)
Piercing (+1)
Stylization (+1/0)

Your Fireballs should have a save DC of 10+3(Spell)+Int (28->9)+2(Arcane)+2(Feats)=26 each, with the Focused target saving against 28 for the second Ball.
As an alternative Megumin, you could use try cracking open the Occult ritual casting rules.
You could trade out Stylized and Stylized Spell Mastery for Penetration and Greater Penetration, but you'll lose major Style points. Remember, this isn't Fireball, it's EXPLOSION!

>>53056136
>Not doing the level 7 Admixture Savant Elementalist with Soulfire, Overcharge drawback, shift time, and a shitton of metamagic to do FOUR fireballs.

>>53056156
At that point why not just Fiat all of her abilities and restrictions?

>>53056201
because that build is legal RAW.

>>53056227
Sure, but so is any fanmade content that you write down.

>>53056246
>Spheres of Power build
???

When you break invisibility to full attack, do you get sneak attacks on every attack or only your first attack?

>>53056363
Only first, unless it's greater invisibility where attacking doesn't break it.

>>53056077
I don't think vigilantes get many bonuses for ranged attacks.

>>53056246
That's all in spheres of power, anon. Are you retarded?

I built a Darklantern for fun but I don't think I'll ever see a game where it isn't terribly out of place.

>>53056453
Spheres of Power is third party content. Same as Path of War, and anything by Kobold Press. /pfg/ has lied to you.

>>53056473
And? We're aware that 3pp is 3pp. Was the build asked to be 1pp only or are you just being a cunt?

>>53056495
>Was the build asked to be 1pp
Not that I recall, but if you assume any and all content is available you may as well use homebrew.

How far is too far to go on the third date if you're both adventurers but a third adventurer is watching?

>>53056520
SoP is pretty common around these parts dude. It's not unreasonable to assume that it's available. Especially for a theory craft build.

>>53056524
Invite them in, murderhobos gotta stick together. If they turn you down, more fuck for you two.

>>53056524
Context?

>>53056532
I would never consider that a "reasonable" assumption, but then I'm a backwards hick who doesn't approve of /pfg/ permanently shilling such things in the OP.

>>53056582
Then you are a cunt who doesn't know where you are. This isn't GitP and this isn't r/pathfinder

>>53056593
It's Pathfinder General. Perhaps I'd find my way around much easier if you relabeled the thread /ddsg/ or /dspg/.

>>53056609
3pp pathfinder is still pathfinder.

Spheres being put forth for a 'make megumin' build is entirely reasonable, since Spheres is the best system for the job.

>>53056609
Guess we should also have a 3.5 general and.a general for every single publisher and homebrew too, huh.

>>53056562
Just what it sounds like. Third wheel situation. Someone trying to go platonic on my mack session.

>>53056550
Tempting, but then what if they hit it off and leave me?

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