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We were on page 6.

>>53029877
There is a space game running now thats NOT blood and iron right?

>>53030101
>/thread

P A G E 6
A G E 6 P
G E 6 P A
E 6 P A G
6 P A G E

>>53030117
do you mean raining blood and oil?

There's the Kobold Queen one too but I have no idea about it

>>53030101
I wonder what'd the thread be like if you filtered all of that.

>>53030131
>>53030117
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/76041/mighty-quest-for-epic-loot-in-the-lair-of-the-kobold-queen
Yeah its supposed to be some sort of treasure hunting planehopping space adventure with ships and portals and stuff. Seems cool to me.

>>53030101
>>53030127

I dont fucking care. pitch your bitch fit.

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For anybody that missed them when they initially came out, there's a pair of large streams that go over what we know of Pathfinder thus far, that you can find here: https://pastebin.com/GLKBydzC

We also have confirmation from a Podcast called The Drift that weapon damage will be scaling, meaning your pea shooter your character took for sentimental reasons can become a powerhouse in its own right given enough time.

We also have the first of the Iconics' backstories - Navasi, the girl with the painfully generic backstory.
http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5ljrp?Meet-the-Iconics-Navasi

>>53030101
>bonbon isn't popular anymore

h-honk

So who's getting into Overlewd
Wist, Wubu, and Protag presumably, they're even all available at the same time
Two more slots

>>53030156
wew lad
and he thinks he isn't cancer

>>53030179
I doubt wist can actually play.

>>53030169
bonbon isn't being raped presently so she's not a target right nowr

>>53030156
>page 6

Literally worse than kitsune.

I roll to rape

Why is this game so popular when 4e and 5e are out and both have objectively better number balance, more meaningful chargen choices, better math overall, larger playerbases, and less caster supremacy? I mean for fuck's sake, it's almost halfway through may 2017, and you are still playing a game that came out in 2000, based on extremely flawed assumption about game design, which was then re-designed by people who are even worse at game design.

Why is Pathfinder even still legal to sell? There's a law against selling shit like faulty brakes or poisoned food, isn't there? Then why isn't there a law against selling substandard RPGs with rules that are quite literally the wrong way to do things.

Punishing players for wanting to use a crossbow? Wrong.

Punishing players for playing a martial? Wrong.

Punishing player for playing a human? Wrong.

Punishing players for having a life outside of the game so that they can't spend 6 hours a night on char-op boards trying to make the perfect character in order to be able to survive a sytem full of trap options like Toughness and Fighter class? Wrong.

>>53029877

Well out of the already established alien species. which ones are invading?

>>53030179
Protag should change his name to start with W so we can call Overlewd WWW2

>>53030242
But fighters are pretty solid now.

>>53030247
Wutang?

>>53030242
But humans are one of the best races, if you're not retarded with your feat selection.

Does anyone have the LFG page for PLD
I never bothered to look at it and kind of want to see what the character apps were like

>>53030242
Why are you here?

>>53030179
>Wist, Wubu, and Protag
Who?

>>53030272
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4760286/character-apps

>>53030286
two sluts and a discord celeb

>>53030292
thanks

>>53030297
I want all the thots to get the fuck out. Every time we find out some player is a girl, /pfg/ becomes full of thirst lords. It's like a fucking desert.

>>53030323
Its like the saddest shit ever

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>>53029877

i prefer a different sci fi series. yours is good, i just like mine better.

>>53030323
I mean
When the person playing a CORED girl happens to actually be a girl probably touching herself to it it's kind of lewd

>>53030242
Lots of people prefer having more choices. That is the main draw to pathfinder. Some people actually prefer how close it is to 3.5 but being better than 3.5. Plus 5th edition has barely anything out and is essentially baby's first rpg

>>53030168

Excuse me, are you saying being a lesbian communist is "generic?"

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>>53030341
Don't think anything stops us from having both.

>>53030341
wildstar and starfinder will be very similar tonewise

Pathfinder is pretty balanced. Martial characters are plenty viable.

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>>53030366

i like the way you think.

>>53030364
I'm saying a rich kid with a heart of gold runs away to see the world, finds it screwed up, falls in love, and goes on adventures is generic. Her being a Lesbian Communist is just Paizo.

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How do I BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, /pfg/?

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>>53030332
>>53030346
It's still 3DPD, guys.

>>53030313
You do know sage isn't pronounced like that, right?

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>>53030389
You'd have a point except I imagine her as an anime character.

>>53030242
>Punishing players for playing a human
Humans are literally one of the best races in the game, only eclipsed by obviously broken shit.

>Crossbow... Martials... Fighter
Crossbows fall under same Water Balloon problem (or whatever the fuck you want to call it) as throwing weapons of the developers being absolutely retarded cucks. Thankfully 3pp's and many groups realize that this is utterly moronic, but it's a long road to actually make them viable. People usually just give up caring because it's more work to houserule shit and convince groups that it actually NEEDS to change.

Martials being shit is something constantly bitched about, but is nigh impossible to fix because realismfags and mundanefags will have bitchfits the second anything fantastical is proposed. Fighters are actually in an okay place and are no longer completely invalidated by every other full BAB class, even if they still severely lack in many areas.

5th ed is also barebones, and its skill/saving throw system is completely retarded. I'm sure I would still have fun with it, but I'm leaving it for playing with my sister and her normie friends.

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Does a bard take penalties for performance that require both hands like Strings if they're wearing something like a shield? Does their shield bonus still count while they're performing?

>>53030332
Buncha thirsty ass niggas tryna get their dick wet over online ttrpgs. s m h.

>>53030346
$25 I'll suck your dick before she will.

>>53030404
Is that a Dark Matter?

For what purpose?

>>53030411
No, they can perform without worrying about that shit

because they're just that good.

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>>53030417
I don't want some random bitch to suck my dick though
I want my osananajimi to do it and I can just get up and ask her to if I want it now
Saying she's lewd is completely different from saying I want to lewd her.

>>53030422
dunno

>>53030417
>only 25
Why do you such low self esteem, my nigga?

I loved the Factotum.
The Factotum was the best (for suboptimal values of best) class in 3.5.

What's the closest I can get to being a Factotum in Pathfinder?

>>53030385

Did you know Steve Rogers has been made official HYDRA by Marvel? The only reason, the ONLY reason he isn't a card-carrying Nazi in his works past and present is because the Allies literally rewrote reality using the Cosmic Cube to make sure they won World War 2.

But the REAL Steve is out there, somewhere in the aether. All it takes is a flick of the wrist to bring him back.

>>53030256
>>53030267
>>53030272
>>53030363
>>53030406
You guys do realize you're replying to obvious bait left by WarframeAnon to keep his shitty thread afloat, right?

>>53030445
Dilettante, by Drop Dead Studios. Its straight up a port

>>53030445
Investigator?

>>53030443
No BJ is worth more than 40 bucks. He is just being fair

>>53030452
what

>>53030455
It's not like people are boycotting this thread so just let it happen

>>53030406
Martials are good at what they do. Tanking and dealing damage. Fighters are even able to do battlefield control and ranged damage. What exactly is the problem?

>>53030461
Sounds like you've never had a good succ

>>53030452

I thought he was Hydra because Red Skull used the Cube to rewrite him.

are you excited about Starfinder, /pfg/?

>>53030443
It was meant as a bet, but a man needs cash too sometimes i guess.

>>53030441
Then ask the najimi, faggot. Stop giving attention to these whores who just want (you)s and PMs.

>>53030486
no

>>53030486
yes that is where there are games like MQFEL being run right now. Because people are excited

>>53030455
Actually I am from the 5e general, and I also post in 4eg on the rare occasion it exists. Both are better games.

>>53030486
Yup.

I got a good number of players enamored with Stellaris, so I'm sure I can port them over.

I'm also wondering how my wild and crazy characters might do in the setting.

>>53030504
>MQFEL
My Queef Fell Every Linnorm?

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>>53030486

Quite excited, yes.

>>53030272
>Why are you here?

Because playing Pathfinder ought to be against the law.

>>53030441
Why does that Houri have bombs strapped to her? What is this?

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>>53030488
No, I said Wist / Wubu / Protag are going to get in because they're celebs and their apps aren't actually bad. Imagine if NamelessFairy applied too.

>>53030511
So you're a shill?

>>53030511
What makes crossbows and martials better in 5e?

>>53030511
Ok, so why are you here?

We like Pathfinder, we know its flawed, but there are things that attract us to the system regardless.

Why do you care that we have badwrongfun?

>>53030529
"reee people are liking the wrong thing, they should be put in jail"

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>>53030242
>more meaningful chargen choices
>5e

>>53030539
He's probably a liberal in the /pol/ boogeyman sense of the word

>>53030535
Bounded accuracy memes where no matter how good you are you can fail at something, and will only be marginally better than an untrained peasant of course.

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>>53030486

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

>>53030242
>5e
>concentration for every little thing
>literally one level 9 spell at level 20
no anon

>>53030547
Remember, talking about ethnicities at all makes you /pol/!

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>>53030486
Only so I can port back (hopefully not shit) tech weapons and power armor back to PF.

>>53030242
>Punishing player for playing a human? Wrong.

I feel bad for having read the obvious bait that far.

4e humans were more of the same. I.E. pretty broken due to extra feat and adaptable to any class.

5e humans are much weaker unless you are running variant, which DM can disallow. In which case they slightly stronger than PF humans only due to ability score.

>>53030346
I actually theorized there were going to be a fair amount of female players that apped to PLD, the man to woman ratio of those that enjoy rape fantasy is pretty even.

>>53030545
It's okay, he also likes 4E so he's certifiably retarded.

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In one of my long-running weekly games, I tend to link picture references for whatever frilly, poofy dress my foxboy is currently wearing.

Since the session on March 17 (~11 weeks ago), my character has primarily been wearing the gown in the image to the left, replete with levitating energy-halos and copious jewelry. Granted, he has temporarily switched out of it on occasion.

Only now has it come to my attention that this is the selfsame default dress of Cashmere, one of the Puella Librum Daemonium characters. My character had begun to wear said gown even before Puella Librum Daemonium had finalized its player selection.

Furthermore, one of the Puella Librium Daemonium players happens to be my GM for the game in which my foxboy is wearing Cashmere's default outfit.

I now feel as though my character is wearing the tabletop equivalent of a cross-promotional DLC costume, one that had become available even before the other game had been released.

>>53030549
What's bounded accuracy?

>>53030535
Dex to damage, for one thing. In the case of crossbows. In the case of 5e, spells are actually made so that wizards can't push a button and do litrerally everything, while fighters can do literally nothing.

>>53030578
a 5e meme that prevents you from actually being good.

>>53030577
thanks 2hu

>>53030577
Oh god, who the hell cares?

>>53030577
Pfff

>>53030564
We had a pretty interesting discussion last thread that didn't degenerate too quick.

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>>53030553

Butt party for Starfinder!!

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>>53030545
Yeah. Feats are better, because they do more and you don't have retarded feat taxes. Also playing a fighter lets you actually choose maneuvers to affect the fight, not shitty improved disarm that gets you 5% closer to being able to hit the enemy's 44 CMD. Oh shit, now instead of needing to roll a natural 20, you only need to roll a natural 20!!

>>53030242
>bounded accuracy
It's shit m8
I play fantasy ttrpgs to pretend to be Conan and Siegfried and Abe no Seimei
I want to steamroll a thousand and twelve redshirt mooks, end a threat that could obliterate a kingdom on its own, then grab the six princesses it was keeping holed up and fuck them raw on my magic carpet while I fly back to the King to report a successful extermination of the Lord of Slimes
Not get mobbed by two dozen commoners and get killed

>>53030564
What

>>53030583
Dex to damage makes zero sense

>>53030577
What meme game DLC do you want to see? I hope to see the RotJR Cameo Costumes, and the PLD new character DLC.

>>53030583
>dex to damage

Bolt Ace. Get Dex to damage and an increase to your crit modifier.

>>53030539
>We like Pathfinder, we know its flawed, but there are things that attract us to the system regardless.

Like what? The retarded furfag races? There is literally nothing good about Pathfinder, that another system does not do equally well, or just flat-out better. Unless what you want is to make pointless chargen choices that don't matter because wizards are still better and can do everything you can do and more with a single spell that they can cast 10 times a day and

>>53030604
eh it kind of makes sense if you think of it as aim

>>53030578
A shitty idea that runs counter to how every edition before it was designed.

>>53030618
>so butthurt he didn't even finish the post

>>53030602
>feat tax
Use the feat tax houserules? Does anyone even not play without those?

>>53030562
>if it's not letting casters be overpowered, it's wrong

Go fuck yourself. You and your edition ruined an entire generation of roleplayers.

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Wait, so when is Starfinder dropping? When can we expect caps?
Will there be mecha?

>>53030618
Psionics. Tome of Battle/Path of War. Good grid based combat. Give me a system that does something similar to these and well and I'll switch.
>4e
4e Psionic's suck ass.

>>53030633
then fuck off back to the editions you actually like? Are you seriously spamming badwrongfun on /tg/?

>>53030631
>Use the feat tax houserules? Does anyone even not play without those?
Most GMs don't look up all the mechanical minutia of the system they're running.
Sadly. I know I'd love my GM to unfuck things.

>>53030602
I still hate 5e's decision of lowering the modifier of everything. It makes the die roll really weighty in terms of success and I'm not a fan of that level of RNG. A little is fine, but I don't like a chucklefuck rando being better at a thing that I put investment into.

>>53030609
Some kind of micropayment system where they have to pay $1 every time they want to shit up our thread.

Who the fuck am I kidding, they'd probably all buy the subscription package for unlimited shitposting.

>>53030618
The answer is the amount of options

And yes, I love my pointless Chargen choices

And yes, Wizards can break the game, which is awesome cause for the /pfg/ games we use something called an 'application process', which lets us weed out the shitters who are obviously trying to break the game

So that problem is also solved. You see its really easy because it turns out DMs are not just powerless sluts for Wizards to order around.

>>53030633
>STOP HAVING BADWRONGFUN

>>53030634

i think mecha are in the works, no details yet.

>>53030539
>"reee people are liking the wrong thing, they should be put in jail"

Yes. Pathfinder is attracting thousands of players to the hobby and then disappointing them with a game that is literally engineered to piss people off, it is the "git gud" of RPGs. They are committing basically fraud by misrepresenting RPGs as a fun pasttime. They should be held responsible for this. At the VERY least they should not be allowed to publish any more books.

>>53030618
>wizards trying to break the game
*invokes rule 0*

>>53030667
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Nigga you dumb

>>53030519
mighty quest for epic loot
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/76041/mighty-quest-for-epic-loot-in-the-lair-of-the-kobold-queen

I've been out of the game for a while, is the PoW errata here yet?

>>53030658
>lets us weed out the shitters who are obviously trying to break the game
Except that one dude who raped a plot important NPC then fucked off to nowhere.

Just ignore the bastard. he's probably just trying to get the numbers past to tank the thread.

>>53030667
No you dumbass
5e is the one you're looking for
Literally 5e is the entry point game
NOBODY hears of Pathfinder the RPG before they hear of Dungeons and Dragons

>>53030694
NO

BUT APPARENTLY THEY PUT MORE PEOPLE ON IT

NNNGNHH.

>>53030609
>The discord cabal collaborates to make a list of fun custom magic items, each one associated with a memegame character

>Cane of Aldori
>Mask of the Vilderavn
>Rory's Leaking Log Tankard

This sounds like it could be fun but would get shouted down so hard by shillhunters.

>>53030703
But this is good, because this thread is a page 6 abomination

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Why is /pfg/ easily the most baitable general on /tg/?

>>53030699
Exception that proves the rule I guess

>>53030721
Why do you post reddit gifs?

>>53030721
We play Pathfinder, arguing about it is literally like crack.

>>53030721

We're bored, and we're waiting for new content.

>>53030634
Fairly certain mecha have been confirmed for a future supplement, but we won't get them on release. Personally, I wouldn't expect them for a year or some since I imagine it'll be part of their "Ultimate" line.

I'm personally going to avoid looking much into the system until they're out. Not a fan of space opera and I have no faith in Paizo.

>>53030667

Pathfinder is basically a homebrew of 3.5

Everything you are criticizing about pathfinder is true of 3.5 dnd.

>>53030631
>Use the feat tax houserules? Does anyone even not play without those?

Most people don't because most people play Pathfinder basically RAW without house rules.

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>>53030634

I believe there's a preview due in June that'll include some basic information, the conversion rules, and a few extras from Golarion's star system. The release proper is due in August.

As for mecha, they aren't planned for the initial release, but will be added shortly thereafter. The core book will include powered armor and mini-mechs, though.

>>53030609
One where Salty Anons have to pay $5 per day for the privilege of Witch Hunting and derailing threads with their repetitive, mindless, and asinine bitching.

All money would support rectal cancer research.

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>>53030731

>>53030741
Haven't you been listening, he's REEEing about 3.5e too

>>53030742
I meant people of intellect

>>53030615
>Bolt Ace. Get Dex to damage and an increase to your crit modifier.

Except in 5e you get that for free instead of it being hidden behind a feat tax to punish your for playing archers. Pathfinder is built so much around punishing people for their choices, you'd think it was an abortion clinic.

>>53030752

No, I haven't been listening, haha. Just jumping in half-cocked.

>>53030759
Thats not a feat tax, Bolt ace is an archetype you idiot

Rofl.

>>53030609
Using the word "Discord" costs $1.

>>53030750
We wouldn't need to witch hunt if you didn't derail threads with your asinine cute posting/lewposting bullshit.

We stop when you stop.

>>53030712
>Tree of many waifus
>Punchgirl fruitpunch
>Sour grapes
>glass foxes
>Eiffel towers

>>53030721
The same reason the slow kids from GitP continuously do voting to retier all 3.5 classes just because they're butthurt that nobody believed them last time that the beguiler was totally tier 2. There's no real new content so we get into circular arguments, a resource which is extremely exploitable by trolls who want to bait.

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>>53030759
Have you considered browsing the SRD before shitposting

>>53030759
You can get it for free in 5E.

What you can't get is enough damage to make those high CR boss enemies cry themselves to sleep without showering the party without giving them a fuckload of magic items they are not entitled to by default. Not true in 3.PF.

>>53030780
He's not the only person who's interested, fuck off.

>>53030640
>psionics

Are shit. Also 4e has them.

>Tome of Battle

Again, 4e. And 5e has battlemaster fighter which is superior.

>Good grid based combat

BOTH 4e and 5e, which also don't punish you for wanting to move after you attack.

>>53030645
Not an argument.
Try again.

>>53030795
bounded accuracy memel means just getting a couple more hirlings boosts your CR like half again

>>53030803
No you fuck off. You can all take this circle jerk shit to the discord where you can shower these anons with your praise and fanboy-ism in person.

>>53030813
>not an argument

Except it is

Nothing is forcing you to be here

>>53030655
>wahh I can't have +20 to everything by combining two feats and some obscure trait that i found in some obscure sourcebook
>>53030673
>*invokes rule 0*

>>53030780
>I don't like a thing so I'm going to shit up the thread until everybody else also doesn't like the thing
You're just as bad as that asshole who makes new threads on page 3 to "BTFO the animefags".

>>53029877
This was your fault OP. You should've let the other thread wear itself out before making a new one, your good intentions killed us. Maybe if we're lucky we'll see peace in the next hundred posts.

>>53030813
>Not an argument.
No, it literally is an argument. This is the Pathfinder thread, not the 'shill for 5e' thread. Remove yourself.

>>53030819
>nobody is allowed to like what I don't like!
You fuck off with this 5e shilling retard

>>53030819
Man the Discord circlejerks less than the general desu.

>>53030813
>Are shit. Also 4e has them.
Did you even read my post. I acknowledged that 4e had Psionics.
>are shit
So you're retarded AND have shit taste.

>>53030780
Derail from what, exactly?

If you don't like something ignore it, and start a topic you do like. Your perpetual autistic screeching is unwelcome. Kindly shut the fuck up.

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No one I know likes to play low fantasy. Such a bummer.

>>53030759
I prefer certain choices being difficult and different rather than homogenized with everything equal. Not every weapon should be equally viable with no investment.

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>>53030673
>*invokes rule 0*
That doesn't change the rules from being shit. Also if you rule 0 everything, your DMing will eventually be called out as shit. Which will be every session because literally everything a pathfinder wizard can do, will break the game. Hell even acid splash can be used to completely invalidate the existence of rogues.

A FUCKING CANTRIP

INVALIDATES AN ENTIRE CLASS

That is Pathfinder for you.

>>53030780
It is literally just you
Are you the same guy who made threads at page 3 to remove anime
Stop your autistic crusades nobody fucking cares

>>53030712
>Handwraps of the Kaijitsu Oni
>Quinn's Quick Release Bloomers

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>>53030835

your rage, sustains me.

>>53030849
Define low fantasy.

>>53030819
>MUH DISCORD CABAL

Anon pls.

>>53030857
>a cantrip invalidates an entire class

Now you're just being fully retarded.

>tfw playing DHB's crossbow master fighter
It's pretty good

>>53030835
>good intentions
heheheheAHAHAHAHA

>>53030857
How the fuck does Acid Splash replace a rogue

>>53030655
Seconded. I can't even think of a game with less reliable training.

>>53030813
>And 5e has battlemaster fighter which is superior.
That's some shit taste you got there.

>>53030867
magic users being very rare. Most fantastic creatures being rare except for maybe orcs and goblins. Elves, gnomes and dwarves are rare.

>>53030873
I'm definitely trying out his fighter next time I get a chance. I only finally looked at it the other day and it covers so much shit I've always wanted on a martial that the system hates. He read my mind with some of the options.

>>53030857
>acid splash
No it doesn't. It's energy damage. On average it's doing one damage to an object. It would take forever to melt a lock with it.

By that logic barbarians invalidate the rogue because they can just smash through shit. Doors. Locks. What ever. Krex smash!
>>53030837
>he doesn't like people posting about how they want to give it to a character in a campaign they're not even IN and lewdposting
>that means he must like 5e
Must be fun to live in a world where you can shove all the ills and bad things in one nice little corner, eh?

Would the magus improve if you could use 2 handed weapons with it's spell combat feature like the Duskblade in 3.5, along with an similarly expanded spell list?
I'm honestly about to make that allowance in my game, because it wasn't until another player pointed out that the allowance to release a hand as a free action didn't exist in PF that I knew about it.

>>53030907
Probably not a game style for Pathfinder.

>>53030889
maybe I guess cos you can cast acid on a lock to melt through it? but thats not all rogues do either.

>>53030914
The only problem with Magus in Pathfinder is its spell list.

>>53030914
Adding options generally improves everything, yes.

>>53030862
>It is literally just you
It's not.
>Are you the same guy who made threads at page 3 to remove anime
I'm not.

>>53030866
Sha of Anger please go.

>>53030179
Three more slots actually. I would say Exhack and Tkaner. I don't post the character names because that never really mattered.

>>53030676
How am I dumb?

>>53030704
Actually, loads of people start playing Pathfinder. I saw a group of fat faggots catch a young girl who was interested in RPGs the other day, and from what it looked like, they conned her into joining their game. Now another potential roleplayer will be ruined forever by Pathfinder and it's horrible rules and will be sent screaming from the hobby by the autistic spreadsheet math and the retarded genetic fuck-ups who play Pathfinder.

>>53030911
>>that means he must like 5e
No you dumb lardass, I'm saying you can fuck off with him because you're acting the exact same fucking way
You demand everyone talking about things you dislike to fuck off unilaterally because it hurts your feelings.

can we shit post about DHB too?

>>53030938
>It's not.
yes it is.

>>53030952
Hahahaha

Nigga like read you own posts like shit you are fuckin retarded

>>53030942

i'm actually curious how many posts will show up before the thread closes. We're at peak hours, people are raging... the highest i saw was 500 posts.

>>53030952
Explain to me why you are here instead of 5eg

>>53030813
>And 5e has battlemaster fighter which is superior.
Yeah, having maneuvers with less variety, that are much less effective, that I can use much less of at a time, and which take an hour of sitting around doing nothing to refresh means the class is superior.

No, the BM being so fucking shit compared to the Warblade and the per round refresh martials in the playtest is one of the many reasons why I will never touch that fucking piece of shit game ever again. There's no excuse for that.

>>53030953
>You demand everyone talking about things you dislike to fuck off unilaterally because it hurts your feelings
No, I'm demanding them to fuck off because what they're talking about isn't really related to Pathfinder.

>>53030907
I like the idea of the setting, but it's really easy for players to become confused as to what to expect from higher levels challenge wise or what to even build.

However, it is a great outlet for >muh realism rulesets.

>>53030475

Nope, Secret Empire #00 reveals he was HYDRA all along.

>>53030831
Look, it's not about the number being big, it's about the variance in result when attempting an action with investment and no investment. When investment from character options only adds 10%, it makes it not super worth it to invest into. And creates ludo-narrative dissonance because the guy who trained in a thing for years could be beat out by a complete newbie easier.

Probability of 1d20+3 being greater than 1d20+5: 38.25%
Probability of 1d20+3 being greater than 1d20+12: 13.75%

That's the number that matters. The chance that a non-invested character can beat out an invested character. The more complex or intensive the action is in narrative, the lower that probability should be.

>>53030979
>pathfinder games are not related to pathfinder
Kill yourself

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>>53030741
>Everything you are criticizing about pathfinder is true of 3.5 dnd.

Did I imply it wasn't? D&D 3.5 is fucking terrible, as was the four or five editons before it. All Gygax garbage, except minus the wizard hatred, that was Monte Cook realizing he had a small penis and no biceps so him and the other retards made wizards superpowerful to compensate for the fact they were beaten up in school. I bet every time Monte used Flesh to Stone on an NPC fighter he went "T....take THAT billy" in his head. Fucking faggot.

>>53030949
How have you niggers not realized the picks have already been made and the players have been invited to a new game to avoid the shitshow that is a /pfg/ announcement in thread? We're having session 0 on Sunday.

>>53030907
Oh. Yeah, I like those sort of games too. It's doable in Pathfinder, but I typically lean towards other systems since you gotta play around how the game is balanced with assumptions about magic items being common even if you reduce the amount of actual casters in the game.

High level play kind of falls apart even without casters too, martials can still suffer hard from rocket tag and the nature of crits.

>>53030468
>Tanking
Martials can't tank unless your DM plays enemies as idiots, because an enemy can and SHOULD eat their one AoO to geek the mage

>>53030712
What WOULD those items do, even?

>>53030993
I get that you're shitposting, but you're actually correct in that most of the picks have already been made.

>>53030772
So I have to take an entire archetype and give up other class features, just to get something I should get anyway. And yes, Dex to damage DOES make sense with ranged weapons, you are able to aim for more vulnerable areas. learn to think before you post idiot.

>>53030794
Have you considered I don't feel like looking up whatever obscure bullshit combo you are trying to point out, when it doesn't matter to the point. It is literally irrelevant. In 5e you get it for free. That is all that matters.

>>53030993
Because that's stupid? There's no announcement on the R20 page? Apps aren't even closed yet? Maximum probably knows who he's picking at this point but he hasn't literally picked them yet.

>>53030987
They aren't. Talking about your favorite OC character in campaigns you aren't even a part of isn't fucking pathfinder. Now kindly go eat a bullet, faggot.

>>53030973
I'm not convinced this guy is from /5eg/ or that he's even all that familiar with 5e. I think it's one of ours reeling out new bait.

>>53031012
Yes, the entire Archetype also makes you REALLY FUCKING GOOD WITH CROSSBOWS.

Bolt Ace is one of the best Archetypes for a gunslinger, it routinely outstrips regular gunslingers at their job.

>>53030907
In those sorts of settings Its actually a good idea to play monk. Everything they do is supernatural, and in a low fantasy setting, things people could probably do if they did train as hard as a monk to unlock their hidden potential.

Or convince your GM to let you play a wizard who can only use cantrips and even then is regarded as a powerful magician. Imagine if he got first level spells.

>>53031012
>In 5e you get it for free. That is all that matters.
Yeah except the part where you get it for free in Pathfinder too

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>>53030179
>>53030949
>>53030993
>>53031010
Say it ain't so

>>53030991

Yes, 5th ed is basically a homebrew of 3.5.

>>53031012
So go back to 5e then

>>53030837
>This is the Pathfinder thread, not the 'shill for 5e' thread

Okay? I am not shilling for 5e, I am discussing why Pathfinder is bad. That is related to Pathfinder.

>>53030826
>Nothing is forcing you to be here

Nothing is forcing you to be here either. Get out.

>>53030986
This. Low bonuses on a high dice is an inherently shitty idea if you're not playing a game where the PCs are meant to be incompetent ala WFRP, and even then that doesn't last forever.

>>53030924
My player was dismayed that he couldn't use a spear as he envisioned when he pitched the pc to me. What spells would be needed? There are a number of spells on the duskblade list that are... poor choices, having played the class myself and seen how mediocre many spells are.
The complaints about shocking grasp being the end/be all applies to the duskblade until vampiric touch comes around.
>>53030928
Is it a good improvement, or would it add something that isn't actually necessary? Should I put it behind a feat?

>>53030983
I mean, you could move into more fantastical elements as the levels get higher I just hate being low level and everything already being super high fantasy.

>>53030996
I'll freely admit that Stand Still is dangerously unreliable. And that CMD bloat makes it an absolute shitshow.

But in low level play, Stand Still and Combat Reflexes makes any asshole a tank.

>>53030872
>Now you're just being fully retarded.

Um.

>cast acid splash on locks
>literally melt entire doors with slow application of acid
>don't need a rogue anymore.

Also:

>sneak attack
>can just use hold person and coup de grace while invisible.

>trapfinding
>find traps spell

>acrobatics skill
>replaced by fly

A wizard can do everything a rogue can do, and more. A rogue is literally useless. A wizard can do the entire class with TWO spells. Fighter? one spell.

>>53031048
Bladed Brush could let him use a glaive, you could remake it for a spear fairly easily!

>>53031018
SaltyAnon is salty.

It's okay friend. Maybe if you stop acting like such a screeching autist, you might get in a game one day!

>>53031035
>I am discussing why Pathfinder is bad
You are not, you are discussing why 5e is better, which nobody cares about.

>>53031032
Maximum almost certainly knows who he's picking
If you're that guy who still hasn't completed his app then get the fuck on it, he'll probably look the list over a few more times anyway so you might still have a chance if the app is solid

>>53031062
You seem to be under serious illusions as to how the game actually functions vs how you think it functions

>>53031048
>Is it a good improvement, or would it add something that isn't actually necessary? Should I put it behind a feat?
Just throw the Magus in the trash where it belongs and port the Duskblade.

>>53031040
It's a matter of game design. If the choice that a player makes is insignificant, but is either portrayed as significant, or has high opportunity costs, it's a shitty choice. It's exactly why shit like toughness, dodge, monkey grip are all bad.

>>53030911
>By that logic barbarians invalidate the rogue because they can just smash through shit.

Yeah but that makes noise. Acid hissing makes a lot less noise than battering a door with a hammer. Try leaving your basement for once and watching real chemistry happen. Also barbarians are literally irrelevant from level 3 onwards.

>>53030873
>>53030909
Where do I get this?

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>>53030634
Just so you know, there is an Android race. It's entirely possible for you to play as Dolores right out of the box and just buy bigger and bigger suits until you get back to full size

>>53031083
Dodge is okay with feat tax rules though

>>53031062
you only get a certain amount of spells per day.

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>>53031073
H-how did you know it was me?

>>53030975
>Yeah, having maneuvers with less variety, that are much less effective, that I can use much less of at a time, and which take an hour of sitting around doing nothing to refresh means the class is superior.

Except they are much more effective, because you don't have to roll against a 44 CMD just to grapple a dragon like you do in Crapfinder.

>>53030973
>implying you can only post in one thread at a time.

LMAO

>>53031015
Apps closed Monday. I got my PM from Sleep today. His schedule's full and he won't be running any more games for a while, so he's just pretending Overlewd was a bamboozle to sidestep people shitposting about him in /pfg/. He took a lot of the shit that Rubio got here pretty personal.

>>53031072
I never even applied to a /pfg/ game. Try again. Even if I did and got in, I would still complain about you fucking autists.

But yeah, pretend I'm just some assblasted reject if it makes you feel better.

>>53031084
>Try leaving your basement for once and watching real chemistry happen
Bitchboy a tanker of Aqua Motherfucking Regia couldn't destroy a wooden door of any appreciable thickness in any amount of time less than minutes. An orb the size of your fist? It wouldn't even make a dent.

>>53031012
>so I have to take an entire archetype and give up other class features

Yes, because that's what archetypes do. They are adaptable like that.

Also

>damage equals aiming better

I bet you're one of those fags that think HP actually means health, huh?

>>53031062
>acrobatics
>replaced with fly
What did he mean by this?

>>53031102
Do you even know what the Warblade is?

>>53031065
Has requirements I don't like, anon, on top of having the dex focus.
>>53031079
I didn't know there was so much hostility surrounding the magus. Is it really that bad? I mean, this is pathfinder, there is a heap of worse classes.

>>53031084
>Also barbarians are literally irrelevant from level 3 onwards.
So you ARE retarded.

>>53031029
>Yeah except the part where you get it for free in Pathfinder too

Except you don't. You have to take a specific archetype. That is different from 5e where all classes get it, instead of being punished for not playing some obscure archetype, or being punished for not buying the correct supplement that has said archetype.

>>53031026
I play 5e every Wednesday night.

>>53031106
Apps closed monday but edits didn't, post proof or fuck off.

>>53031084
It would be almost impossible to melt a door with acid splash because of Hardness. A good wooden door would actually completely ignore the damage.

So no, you can't melt a door, let alone a metal lock with Acid Splash, because HARDNESS WOULD PREVENT THAT DAMAGE

You literally do not know the rules of the game.

>>53031107
>But yeah, pretend I'm just some assblasted reject if it makes you feel better.
Even if you never applied to a game in your life, it's still pretty obvious you're an assblasted reject from your posts SaltyAnon.

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>>53031091

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Gorge your hatred. Embrace your rage.

>>53031084
You realize that the verbal components are said in a "loud clear voice" right? Casting spells is noisy.

>>53031012
>give up other class features

is that not what happens when you pick a class spec in 5e? You forsake stuff in favor of other stuff.

>>53030813
I play pathfinder, because it has Spheres of Power, which while shit, is better than any vancian spellcasting crap that Wizards has put out.

>>53031100
>you only get a certain amount of spells per day.

yeah and you can use two of them to literally kill the rest of your party and the rest of those to finish the adventure yourself. Then cast rope trick to prepare new spells in peace before going out to literally rekt the entire world while invisible.

>>53031135
He's going to shitpost about Stilled Silent Spells

>>53031131
And you're a cock sucking faggot who thinks too highly of themselves.

>>53031135
PLUS THE FACT THAT ACID SPLASH LITERALLY CANNOT HARM A WOODEN DOOR.

>>53031120
>I didn't know there was so much hostility surrounding the magus. Is it really that bad? I mean, this is pathfinder, there is a heap of worse classes.
It's damn near strictly worse compared to the Duskblade.
It's a blatant trap, and either you do the SINGULAR viable build or you're actively dragging down the party.

It is, admittedly, not the worst class. (THANKS, PAIZO) But it's a class that has absolutely no reason to be as godfuckingawful as it is.

>>53031148
>yeah and you can use two of them to literally kill the rest of your party
No, you literally can't. The paladin will take your head off after easily making the save.

>>53031152
And need 30 level 3 spell slots to get through a door?

>>53031111
Except it would deal acid damage to the door every round and destroy it within 15 / 2 = 8.5 rounds.

>>53031148
if your dm is a literal retard then yeah

>>53031173
You said real chemistry and the game literally doesn't allow Acid Splash to damage the door.

>>53031173
THE DOOR WOULDN'T TAKE ANY DAMAGE BECAUSE ACID SPLASH LITERALLY CANNOT OVERCOME THE HARDNESS OF A SIMPLE WOODEN DOOR

IT WOULD TAKE 0 DAMAGE

ZERO
DAMAGE

Is Crytha thiccest Overlewd girl?

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>this speed
>only 36 IPs

>>53031123
>what is levitate
>what is sleep/hold person

Barbarian BTFO with ease.

>>53031194
No that's Umbranae

>>53031202
WHAT ARE SAVES

WHAT ARE RANGED WEAPONS

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>53031173
On average acid splash can only deal 1 damage because it's 1d3 divided in half rounded down.

>>53031155

Take a deep breath SaltyAnon. You should leave the computer for a while, watch some TV, talk to a friend, maybe even go for a walk.

Keeping this much impotent rage bottled up inside can't be good for you.

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>>53031133
But Anon, I just want to play as a pretty princess IN SPESSSSSS who can level cities!

Is that so bad?

>>53031194
>>53031210

>Thiccest overlewd girl
>18 CON/14 CHA

Certainly thiccest girl that isn't in a monster class

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>>53031130
>So no, you can't melt a door, let alone a metal lock with Acid Splash, because HARDNESS WOULD PREVENT THAT DAMAGE

More proof as to why the Pathfinder rules are retarded in the first place. Also I am talking about the LOCK which is made of metal and also has far fewer hit points.

Also, the """"rules"""" also allow you to resurrect someone by drowning them in a pool of water, do you use those rules as well?

>>53031202
what is superstitious, allowing barbarians to literally sunder spell effects

>>53031220
Does con matter more than cha for that?

>>53031101
Because realistically you'd be the one to react that way to not only 'everyone's been chosen' but also to 'Maximum has the party in mind'. Hurry up and fix it.

>>53031135
Still spell, dumbass.
>>53031139
>is that not what happens when you pick a class spec in 5e? You forsake stuff in favor of other stuff.

Yes, but you don't lose out on Dex to damage by doing that. EVERYONE gets it. Get that through your thick skull, child, I'm not explaining it again. Does Pathfinder instill some kind of mental retardation?

>>53031210
>14 CON/18 CHA
She may not be thiccest, but she got it.

>>53031218
join that mighty quest game. Be cute space girls with that catgirl

>>53031227
The gnoll is like
18 CON/16 STR/14 CHA

I'd say pretty thicc

>>53031202
barbarians have a hard fucking time failing saving throws. A level 4 barbarian is going to have a +12 will save.

>>53031221
>More proof as to why the Pathfinder rules are retarded in the first place.
Drop some strong hydrochloric acid on a padlock and see what happens. Answer: nothing.

>>53031214
WHICH IS ON AVERAGE ZERO DAMAGE TO A FUCKING DOOR BECAUSE DOORS HAVE A HARDNESS OF 5

EVEN WITH AN ACID FLASK FOCUS, DOORS ARE LITERALLY IMMUNE TO ACID SPLASH

>>53031221
METAL HAS A HARDNESS AS WELL, IT HAS A HARDNESS OF 10, ITS HARDER TO DAMAGE METAL THAN WOOD

NICE TRY WITH A RAW VS RAI ARGUMENT, BUT THE RAW AND RAI ARE VERY CLEAR IN THIS INSTANCE, ACID SPLASH LITERALLY CAN'T DO SHIT TO DOORS.

>>53031168
>No, you literally can't. The paladin will take your head off after easily making the save.

Except I am leviatating / flying so he can't. I can just rain fireballs on him out of my dick and listen to him whimper for mercy while I take my time and pleasure thoroughly fucking his shit.

>>53031174
DM is irrelevant, we are discussing RAW here, child. That means rules as written, that means none of your rule zero DM power trip asspulls.

>>53031239
you're literally accidently making a case for how well pathfinder is balanced by saying how everything can be countered by something else.

>>53031239
>Still spell
You mean Silent Spell, still spell would have him saying "ACID SPLASH" without waving his hands. And are you really going to spend metamagic feats on a fucking simple wood door

>>53031221
The lock has higher hardness. It wouldn't take damage either.

>>53031217
And maybe you should jerk off that 2 incher before posting on /tg/ so you don't come to the thread talking about how you want to eat foxy daddy cummies out of knightboy's asshole or how thicc some generic anime whore is.

>>53031256
YEAH ITS NOT LIKE BARBARIANS HAVE RANGED WEAPONS

ITS NOT LIKE HE HAS WAYS TO GET INTO THE AIR TOO COURTESY OF MAGIC ITEMS

WIZARDS ARE NOT IMMORTAL GODS OUTSIDE OF WHITEBOX SCENARIOS

>>53031189
I'm talking about the lock, faggot. You don't need to destroy the entire door.

>>53031187
Again, talking about the LOCK, not the door. Does your mental condition prevent you from distinguishing between different objects?

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>>53031233
I'm stuck on one last part and have IRL stuff today. I'll still be fine if I get it done tomorrow, right?

>>53031239
>Still spell, dumbass
Ok, you need 15 first level spell slots to get through that door.

>>53031246
How are you getting that +12?

>>53031286
LOCKS ARE METAL AND THUS HAVE A HARDNESS OF 10 YOU ILLITERATE NIGGER

>>53031256
but if a wizard is flying, a barbarian can sunderspell his fly and the wizard drops to the ground. You are actually making a case for how balanced pathfinder is

>>53031244
Sounds like fun, but my schedule is pure garbage. I'm lucky I'm running my game as is.

>>53031213
>WHAT ARE RANGED WEAPONS

Easy, cast Grease on them. Suddenly they can't use their bow without their fingers slipping off the string.

> what are saves

What is spell focus, faggot?

>>53031286
The lock still wouldn't be destroyed, do you actually know chemistry?

>>53031291
Severe doubt
If the other nigger is presumed to be baiting you should probably finish it tomorrow morning at latest
Also fuck post what you have.

>>53031164
>It's damn near strictly worse compared to the Duskblade.
Having done the reading, I agree emphatically.
The problems come when part of the duskblade's effectiveness came from both the underlying system, and a number of class features. I wager I could put the work in, transplanting class features is easy enough, but the spells are... hmmm.

>>53031286

Yes, it can damage then lock with the much higher hardness than the door it already can't damage, sure.

Asshat.

>>53031311
ARE YOU RETARDED?

YOU MUST BE RETARDED

YOU CANNOT RELY ON EVERY SPELL SUCCEEDING

>>53031275
>Being this mad

SaltyAnon pls.

I assume there are people who care about you. What will mommy say when she walks in to find her big boy sprawled out in a computer chair dead of a heart attack?

Stop being so fucking salty for her sake.

>>53031311
>spell focus
>working against a Paladin's saves
absolutely lmao

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>this thread
>this anon

>>53031256
whats stopping someone else from climbing the rope while im all out of spells?

>>53031311
what are spells per turn, nigger. Wizards can't do everything at once or have so many feat slots to spellfocus everything

>>53031311
It's as if you think D&D Wizards have a built in no-saving-throw thing going on
We're talking about a fucking paladin anon

>>53031224
LOL that's a bonus faggot, not a "sunder", what the fuck are you on about? Also I can just kill the barbarian by going first instantly with Celerity.

>>53031351
How do you kill him?

>>53031351
What the fuck is Celerity?

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>>53031102
>except they are much more effective
>level 20 BM Fighter
>blow 4 dice
>do some bonus damage and make your party rogue attack once
>level 20 Warblade
>use a single maneuver
>Entire party immediately charges a single target with a bonus to hit and a large bonus to damage, plus you stun them if you hit them
>much more effective

>>53031256
>Except I am leviatating / flying so he can't. I can just rain fireballs on him out of my dick and listen to him whimper for mercy while I take my time and pleasure thoroughly fucking his shit.
I hope you like arrows anon.

>>53031330
I don't know. What will your mother say when the police find you dead in a gloryhole in a sex shop, your windpipe full of congealed semen from strange men?

>>53031351
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/barbarian/rage-powers/paizo-rage-powers/spell-sunder-su/

its a main rage power every barbarian gets

>>53031246
>A level 4 barbarian is going to have a +12 will save.

lol, no.
>>53031247
>Drop some strong hydrochloric acid on a padlock and see what happens. Answer: nothing.

Try 40 gallons, which I can conjure at will. It will dissolve the lock.

>>53031259
>well balanced
>archers are punished by default

No.

>>53031351
You literally did not read the rules

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>>53030101

Hey /pfg/, can you guys help me make a character for a lewdgame? It's not as degenerate as /pfg/'s meme games like PLD, but still kind of racy.

It's a gestalt game with PoW, SoP, and SoM all allowed. I'm thinking an initiator|spherecaster focusing on Golden Crane and Silver Crane, so she can use Electrum Manticore. It's not exactly a 2hu build by any stretch, but could it be good?

Personality-wise, she's a young but battle-tested kitsune who got caught up in a "DEUS VULT!"-style crusade, which she later regretted. She then joined up with a Diamond Dogs-esque mercenary group, but left them after not liking the shady direction they were heading in.

She's kind of directionless now, having regretted many of the conflicts she signed up for. She's up to writing page 6 of a set of personal logs lamenting her military-related woes.

She also likes wearing cashmere.

Any interesting direction I can take her in? Any way to make her cute? As long as it's not something like copying Paizo's transniggerotherkin iconics, I'm open to ideas.

I'm thinking I'll name her Gloriana.

>>53031267
>>53031302
>It wouldn't take damage either.

Yes it would cuck. It is FUCKING ACID ON METAL. IT DISSOLVES SHIT

DO YOU ALLOW DROWNING RESURRECTIONS IN YOUR GAMES? NO? THEN RAW IS IRRELEVANT

>>53031386
pottery

>>53031386
What is the campaign about, fampire?

>>53031378
>Try 40 gallons, which I can conjure at will. It will dissolve the lock.
Not in Pathfinder and not without someone hearing you.

>>53031398
Hardness 10, acid splash simply doesn't do enough damage to dissolve it.

Sorry anon, you've lost this round.

>>53031378
Archery is the strongest combat style in the game. Ranged weapons that are not longbows (or shortbows) are just trash.

>>53031378
Actually no it won't, as it will simply slide off into a puddle onto the ground as locks are not, well, usually inside a bowl made to hold liquids.

>40 gallons
Alright what the fuck are you talking about? Acid Splash conjures a "small orb of acid"

>>53031303
>but if a wizard is flying, a barbarian can sunderspell his fly and the wizard drops to the ground.

Now you are making up bullshit my friend.

>>53031336
>my obscure paladin build I spent hours crafting while everyone else was out having sex with girls, is being used by most PF players.

No.

>>53031256
>Except I am leviatating / flying so he can't. I can just rain fireballs on him out of my dick and listen to him whimper for mercy while I take my time and pleasure thoroughly fucking his shit.
Ok so you're level 5 for that fly/fireball. Let's say you have high int. Let's even say you're an evocation wizard.

That's gonna be 2 fireballs for 6d6 with a mage's tattoo. The barbarian makes one save, fails one save, taking around 32 damage.

The barbarian is sitting on around 63 HP so he has now half HP and you're out of 3rd level spell slots.

>>53031424
He's actually not.

And this isn't an obscure paladin build.

>>53031283
Barbarians can also get so angry they can fly.

>>53031378
>archers are punished by default
>the combat style which is actually superior to other combat styles is punished by default
Still sounds reasonable m80

>>53030297
Protag is hardly a celeb, hes been around like a week and has exactly zero memes. He's just a friendly guy who writes well and will give a lengthy review to anyone who asks, including a lot of other overlews apps.

>>53031424
lol what. paladins get amazing saves by default.

>>53031424
>my obscure paladin build
Literally don't need to be obscure
A level 5 paladin has +9/+5/+9 saves if he also has 18 CHA.

>>53031424
what about this >>53031377
sunder spell is literally just that. You can sunder ongoing spell effects. If a wizard is flying, sunder his fly. If he casts wall of force, don't attack the wall, sunder the spell effect

>>53031424
>No.
Have you ever actually read the paladin in pathfinder? They get charisma to all saves by default.

Barbarians get ~1/3 level to saves against spells with a rage power.

>>53031419
>Sorry anon, you've lost this round.

No you fucking cocksucker, it is ACID ON METAL. IT DISSOLVES THE METAL.

AGAIN. DO YOU USE THE DROWNING RESURRECTION RULE. ANSWER THE QUESTION. IF THE ANSWER IS YES, THEN YOU ARE rETARDED. IF YOU ANSWER NO, THEN YOU ADMIT RAW IS IMPERFECT.

ACID ON METAL DISSOLVES THE LOCK. ROGUE IS FUCKING IRRELEVANT. ALSO THE WIZARD CAN JUST CAST KNOCK AT 2ND LEVEL AND MAKE ROGUE IRRELEVANT FROM THAT POINT ONWARD BESIDES.

>>53031454
Does he? You think he'll review mine?

>>53031422
>Acid Splash conjures a "small orb of acid"

Yeah and I can cast it 14400 times a day.

>>53031476
You realize that most acids can't dissolve iron right? In actual chemistry it doesn't dissolve it either.

>>53031476
pour acid on a lock boyo

see what happens

this aint a fucking movie

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>ITT: Faggot who has never read a single Pathfinder rule tries to complain about pathfinder rules

>>53031476
but the acid does not do enough damage to get past the 10 hardness. If it was acid arrow, even then it won't do enough damage since the max is 8 damage per tick

>>53031472
>Have you ever actually read the paladin in pathfinder? They get charisma to all saves by default.

So? Just don't deal with the Paladin. Tie a bunch of babies to yourself and he literally cannot attack you, only look helplessly into your eyes as you walk up and slide your sword into his throat, and watch him bleed to death impotently. Also you can threaten to kill the children unless you suck his dick, and he literally HAS to do it. Suck your dick as he bleeds out whi

>>53031494
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/a/acid-splash/
>This acid disappears after 1 round.

>>53031062
>find traps spell
cleric 2. Enjoy pitfalls and spike traps during 1-2.
>replaced by fly
3, and doesn't protect you from aoo like acrobatics can. Furthermore if your DM hasn't taken flight into account then he's bad.
>sneak attack
rouges coup de grace better. Wizards deal such miserable melee damage that the fort save is easily manageable and the damage is negligible. That being said, A wizard allowing for a rouge CDG which they can add sneak attack damage to is almost guaranteed instant death.
>>53031148
>what are saves
>what is 6 HP max
>what is action economy
Try to pull this shit on a decent party and GM at level one, I fucking dare you.

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Does it feel good, knowing you tried?

>>53031476
Where does it say acid dissolves metal?

Also, could you explain this drowning resurrection rule? Because I'm unfamiliar.

Also, while the Wizard COULD cast Knock, that also eats one of his precious spells doing something that the Rogue could do for free. A spell he could use to do many, many other things that a Rogue CAN'T do.