/swg/ AT-STs AT-STs Edition

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/swg/ Bingo/Drinking Game

Remember to hide and ignore political posts, regardless of what side they're on or who they come from.

I'm gonna cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuum

>starting off the OP with RLM
Great.
Wonderful.
This will end well.

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>>52985598
>>52985630
>>52985655
>Reddit Letter Media

>>52985672
Hang with the banter, lad

>>52985672
>Star Wars fans can't handle youtube comedians

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I want to use Integrated Holsters to make my character a walking arsenal. What're the 6 weapons that can cover most combat situations, while still being 3 or less encumbrance?

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>>52985692
>RLM
>Funny

>>52985692
>Youtube comedians' fans can't shut the fuck up about MUH FILM OPINIONS and talk about tabletop games

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>>52985709

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Ok /swg/, to try to change a bit from the usual shitposting, how about we make a tabletop scenario/rpg module?

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>>52985651
Woops, meant to post this here.

>>52979200
>>52983596
>Something stupid happens
>Durrhurr its okey itz just duh space opwah xD

Can we add "It's a space opera" to the bingo list? At the very least, can we stop using "space opera" as a means of deflecting criticism or feebly explaining idiotic/retarded/nonsensical/inane/stupid things?

"It's a space opera" is not a valid argument, excuse, or comment.

Thanks.

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>>52985655
JUGGERNAUT

JUGGERNAUT

>>52985710
>it's bad when RLM fans express their opinion
>but perfectly fine when non-fans express their hatred of their opinion

10/10 hypocrite

>>52985754
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

Damn I hate nuwars. I'm done paying hollywood to force political opinions down my throat.

Women are not strong
Women are not heroes
Women are not determined or inspiring

They are verifiably, factually and demonstrably less intelligent, less inspired, less ingenious and less capable than men in almost every field. I am not now nor will I ever swallow the feminist pill of equality because the two genders very simply are not equal.

That is why I didn't like it. Because Rey and Jyn were the protagonist. I don't want that, I don't need that and I have had enough of Star Wars in my life if that's the way the franchise is going.

>>52985752
>Can we add "It's a space opera" to the bingo list? At the very least, can we stop using "space opera" as a means of deflecting criticism or feebly explaining idiotic/retarded/nonsensical/inane/stupid things?

If you want to go out into calc bullshit or Frodo stuff about military tactics, you can fuck off to Spacebattles.

I'll be back when we don't have a shit edition.

>>52985598
CRINGE

Fuck off. Making new thread.

Repost

>>52985618
>>52985652
>>52985677
Got tie x1 on. Vader ace is fun
I was already printing the adv. targeting but that image is much higher quality, thanks!
Adding ruth

I got the cards backs. using eons for most cards, if i can find the high res art.

Still hunting for adaptability increase side. Cannot find this art anywhere

>>52985787
>Putting words into my mouth
RLM and the other side of the film argument are both cancer. Shut the fuck up and take your film arguments to /tv/ and /co/.

>>52985787
We all know you are a /tv/ cross boarding shitposter

OP can you just delete this thread so we can start over.
This one's already off to an awful start.

Are B-wings the GOAT starfighter?

>>52985670
>Chirrut

Aside from his one funny joke he is the dumbest character in the movie. The Force does not function the way he uses it. He also is somehow an amazing warrior capable of walking through blaster bolts and having them swerve around him, while also beating the shit out of professional soldiers effortlessly. He is a fucking Sue and this praise of him being 'the one good character in R1' needs to end. The Force. Does. Not. Work. That. Way.

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>>52985844
No. This is GOAT starfighter.

>>52985835

I know, it must be so traumatic seeing anons post opinions you don't agree with!

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>>52985844
No they look like asymmetrical shit.

>>52985865
>>52985865
>>52985865

Proper thread. /tv/ can fuck off back to their containment board to cuckpost.

>>52985873
>when you're so butthurt you make your own general thread out of line

I'm going to stay here just to spite you, faggot.

>>52985868
I wouldn't mind seeing starfighters inspired by 1960s jets.

>tfw no space F-4
>tfw no space MiG-21

>>52985855
Since when were you an expert on how the force works dumbass? Gaining visions from touching a lightsaber isn't how the force works either.

>>52985872
What's the point of the rotating wings?

>>52985908
When did this argument start too? If you hate Rogue One, you obviously like TFA so here's why it's shit too?

Nigger, I hate both of them. RO's character just happened to be the topic of discussion. TFA is equally bad about showing how the Force precisely DOESN'T work.

>>52985936
SPINNING=GOOD TRICK

>>52985868
Why don't starfighters use missiles?

>>52985949
>nigger
If you couldn't out yourself as /tv/ any harder

>>52985834
Can we stop accusing each other of being shitposters for liking different things and actually discuss the game? We need to stick it to the retard who made a dupe general.

>>52985936
Because like TTGL, spinning is the greatest power in the universe.

>>52985871
Youre the one who shitposts endlessley if it happens, not me.

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>>52985971
They do, though. A-wings, the TIE Advanced, Z-95s, the Firespray, and many others are capable of using missiles in lore.

>>52986041
But I thought the lasers were the primary weapon of most starfighters

Even the F-104 relied more on its Sidewinders :^)

>>52985802
I love when anons get so intolerant over having any kind of detailed or deep look at Star Wars or discussion of mechanics. I guess space opera is codeword for don't think too hard.

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>>52986007
>tfw the RLM OP weeds out the people that can't take a joke

>>52986076
By that logic, they'd have time travel by virtue of FTL. Do you really want realistic FTL? Do you want the usual hard sci-fi autism?

>>52986113
No, but I'd like to not see genuinely stupid moments like Jyn beating up Stormtroopers handwave-justified with "space opera"

>>52986113
They do have time travel, if you turn off the relativistic shields while in hyperspace.

>>52986067
Lasers are still the primary weapon of most starfighters in the franchise. Probably because they're cooler to look at, the laser bolt assets are already there, and production teams are too lazy/strapped for time/strapped for resources to create CGI missiles.

In Legends, at least, ordnance was expensive, often prone to shortages in the Rebellion/New Republic era, and unreliable. Nearly every starfighter in the galaxy was loaded to the gills with ECM, making long-range missile combat nearly impossible. Missiles were still slow and sluggish enough to be shot down by a sufficiently skilled pilot, too.

>>52986161
It's more of a recent hollywood thing

>>52986166
>technobabble
>realistic

>>52985873
Fucking pathetic

>>52985598
>reddit letter media shitflinging
keep it in /swco/ lads

>>52985855
>The Force does not function the way he uses it
(citation needed)

>>52986373
/swco/ hates RLM. This is a /tv/ invasion

>>52986516
No, you hate RLM, you inbred redditor. Don't project it on the rest of us.

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>>52985702
Ranged Light or Heavy ?
For Light: Disruptor Pistol, Ionization Blaster, Czerka Dragonstrike, Underbarrel Grenade Launcher (or some wrist mounted mini torpedoes), Underbarrel Flame Projector, Melee weapon to taste.

On a sidenote, the CorpSec riot gun with a spread barrel attachment is my fav weapon. Sweet full-auto+blast+stun setting combo. I just love crowd control and police brutality.

>>52985971
Because Star Wars is based on ww2 dogfights.
And the Moffs put all their credits on superweapons programs.

Anyways, have a TIE Warhead.

>>52985829
I have adapability decrease side, but not increase, as well.

I was looking for it, and eventually I just traded some alt-art cards for them locally.

Anyways, what cards do you have already?

I have (and have posted)

Palpatine
Crack Shot
TIE/x1
Advanced Targeting Computer
Ruthlessness
R2-D2 (which everyone has already....)

And I have seen the original art for mk2 engines

How many are you printing? I would potentially want some copies of crack shot (either 1 or 6) and 1 copy of each of the TIE advanced cards.

How much would you want for those?

Do you want me to make a mk2 engines for you?

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>>52986901
Here's r2 id you don't already have him.

If you can find the art, I know r3-a2 would be popular.

After the FAQ that happened a while ago, how viable is Palpatine now? Is he still worth using?

>>52987116
yeah, he's basically glued to aces now, as opposed to being able to be used as insurance.

Can't run Palp+swarm anymore, but palp aces is the same.

>>52986405
That's like saying {citation needed} if someone says TIE fighter shots are green. They just are.

The Force just doesn't work that way.

>>52985750
OP already made sure no productive would be coming out of this thread today. Maybe the start of the work week will reign it in a bit.

I'd love to see some repainted X-Wing minis though. I've been trying to work up the nerve to paint mine for a while, but I don't want to pick a scheme that ends up looking bad on a $15 model.

>>52987323
Since when did /tg/ start getting so butthurt over RLM?

If you have an iron pole up your ass and can't tolerate seeing a Youtube comedian, go post in the other thread.

>>52985754
I thought bridging the gap between PR and OT by showing the Empire using old military surplus as part of their oppressive industrial machine was pretty cool, but I guess if that's not Mike Strotskotzlotskaroni-approved I'd better not like it

>>52987361
>Implying it's just about RLM
It's also about the endless, repetitive, circular shitposting from its fans and opponents. It contributes nothing to the threads, repeats the same arguments over and over, and has nothing to do with /tg/. That shit belongs on /tv/ and /co/.

>>52987431
Hate Plinkett, but BOTW and Nerd Crew are great

>>52987401
>oppressive

It's not that you can't like it, it's that you're objectively wrong.

>>52987487
Strip the HEY I RECOGNIZE THAT out of Empire and you still have a fun, iconic movie.

You can't say the same for R1

>>52987487
>walk by crowd of locals protesting the Empire's unannouced seizure and export of 80% of your planet's crops off-world
>cordon of troopers cuts off the street and starts beating the shit out of the crowd and shooting anyone who resists arrest
>that includes you
>get shipped off to Kessel without a trial to break rocks for the rest of your natural lifespan
Just another liberating day in the Empire

>>52987361
Look, I like to shitpost as much as the next anon, but I don't give a rat ass about geek comedians in general, and I would rather discuss X-wing, D6 or EotE (not Saga, though). Because when I want mindless retards arguing, I go to the 40k general.
I'm sure everyone here has very valid reasons behind their hot opinions on Star Wars related media, but if anon's opinions had any value, those threads wouldn't devolve into namecalling and we would have civil discussions between mature adult human beings instead.

>>52987116
Still good, just not a mindless get out of jail free card.

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>>52987601
I don't understand your answer.
As in why you quoted this post, and the content.
Please reformulate.

>>52987625
I'm still mildly surprised no company had ever made "IN THE DARK GRIMNESS OF THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR, THERE IS ONLY STAR WARS"
I guess it would be hard to scrape together more than four serious factions. Dropzone Commander proves that you can make a great game at that small size, but Star Wars has never been a franchise content to settle for a niche market share.

>>52987323
>I'd love to see some repainted X-Wing minis though. I've been trying to work up the nerve to paint mine for a while, but I don't want to pick a scheme that ends up looking bad on a $15 model.
Just copy the card art for named pilots and their squarons.

I'm about to set up a campaign of Imperial Assault with some friends. 3 heroes vs me as Imperial. What are some houserules you guys use to make the game more fun and interactive? Ways to balance the game?

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>>52987323
No X-Wing repaints, but have some IA instead.

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>>52986553
Your wrong reddit

>>52985598
>Call AT-ATs @@s
>Call AT-STs AT-STs

What did they mean by that?

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Hey, /swg/, what's your favorite blaster?

For me, the Relby k-23.

>>52987777
"Aht-Aht" is apparently how you're supposed to say AT-AT, but I've never seen AT-STs get a similar pronunciation.

>>52987709
Imperial assault and Star Wars miniatures, maybe some other obscure game from the previous century too.
I wonder why they only do small scale. To put more heroes in it, maybe?

>>52987752
Anon, you're a disappointment even by this website standards.

>>52986089
>expression promises unlimited cum

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Ok how about actual disscussion:
Rebel filler ships, say you've got about 20 points left in your Rebel squadron, what do you bring? A-wing, z-95, stolen TIE? whats worked out for you?

I've only tried A-wings, with limited success. a prototype pilot blocker worked pretty well, but I tried to just stick a snap crack A-wing in a list and it went terribly. I want to try either a Z-95 with homing missles or captian rex, although I have no idea how to kit him

>>52987873
Blount and an adv homing missile.

>>52985598
As an aside, I hate how the AT-ST is only in the movie for like 5 seconds. I wanted to see it committing war crimes on space durkas and using its secondary weapons.

>>52987920
Hey it at least got to fuck up one guy hardcore

>>52987624
Maybe they shouldn't be protesting. They should be cheering that their work is helping their Empire.

Welcome to anywhere under martial law ever.

>>52987873
Ahsoka with VI and Captured TIE is really good, especially if you have ships that can reposition. A boost or roll at effectively PS13 is great.

Rex w/ masterpiece, tactician, and slicer tools is annoying.

Blount with ion/adv homing is neat.

Gold squadron w/ autoblaster and R4-D6 is surprisingly irritating.

I kinda want to do some writefaggotry about Stormtroopers intervening in an insurgency on some mountainous world in a combination of Vietnam and Soviets in Afghanistan IN SPAAAACE.


They wouldn't quite be using top of the line gear, so there would be some LAAT/i's and stuff for those "Fortunate Clone starts playing" moments

>>52987962
Not enough for me, I wanted some Saving Private Ryan tier mutilations.

At least he died, though.

>>52988047
LAAT's were being phased out during the later part of the clone wars (see the new clone troop carrier in the Clone Wars show). IDK how any imperial unit would get stuck with one.

>>52988047
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Hill_3234

This is great inspiration.

>>52988047
>*PEW PEW PEW*
>GET SOME!
>*PEW PEW PEW*
>GET SOME! C'MON! HAHA!

>ANYONE WHO RUNS - IS A REB!
>ANYONE WHO STANDS STILL - IS A WELL-DISCIPLINED REB!

>>52988098
I don't watch the show, but I'll take your word for it. I was just trying to go with some of the Soviet Afghan War aesthetic where they were using T-55s and T-62s instead of top of the line T-72s

>>52988142
>HOW CAN YOU SHOOT EWOKS AND JAWAS?

>EASY - YOU JUST DON'T LEAD 'EM SO MUCH!

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>>52988047
> Look at this shit. How come we can't ever invade a cool planet, with like chicks in bikinis, you know? How come countries like that don't ever need Stormtroopers? I'll tell you why. It's lack of pussy that fucks planetsup. Lack of pussy is the root fucking cause of all galactic instability. If more Rebels were getting quality pussy, there'd be no reason for us to come over here and fuck 'em up like this! Cause a nut-bustin' Reb is a happy Reb.

>>52987312
Except the citation for that is my eyes.
You still have no citation that Chirrut calling upon the force in an hour of need, being an adherent his entire life, is "not how the force works".

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>>52987323

Heres my arc with a rough try at artoo in the astromech socket

I need to neaten the nose

>>52988122
I'd watched 9 Rota and read about the battle actually; I think the Grau and Gress book mentioned it. I kinda want to imagine Stormtroopers as the space VDV to the Imperial Army's Red Army. Also, a nifty video even if it's using basically the same clips as every Soviet Afghan War video. Actually, this video got me into Russian rock for a few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnBUDQgJ1ZY

Space /k/ = best /swg/

>>52988158
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Patrol_transport
This would make for a nice Imperial Huey stand-in

>>52988098
Use an Imperial Dropship Transport (don't, it's ugly) or a Sentinel Shuttle.
Or consider that due to the restructuration caused by the birth of the Empire and the vast amounts of gear left over from the war, some remote sectors might be equipped with Clone Wars material.
>You get 5 LAATs, 2 of which you need to cannibalize to keep the rest flying.
>You have E-11 blasters but gas cartridges for DC-15S carbines.
>You get one control monitor and 16 (poorly) reprogrammed B1 droids per squad.
>Your rations still have 'GAR' written on them
>You're beginning to think that you should have studied harder at the academy.

>>52988195
>ywn be a stormtrooper cruisin innaspace Afghanistan singing Teenage Dirtbag

God damn was Generation Kill great

>>52988195
All this really makes me want to run a Stormtrooper AoR campaign set in some jungle shithole.

>>52988509
Do it, who wouldn't love to free the shit out of some indigs and confirm the kill on the local Rebs?

>>52987323
I can go pick up my X-wing stuff from my local LGS-

I've repainted/modded every one of my ships.

I mostly just royal-guardify ships though.

Would anyone in the thread be interested in seeing simple repaints?

>>52988471
>using reprogrammed OOM droid for EOD duty
>the droid is a little dimwitted, but you manage to teach it how to play Sabac
>the droid even tried to smoke a deathstick to be "one of the guys"
>one day the OOM buys the farm against a mine
>everyone is way more glum when they come back to barracks and don't have that silly, dimwitted loyal droid to mess with

>>52985949
But that is how the force works because we see it work like that.

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mfw one image caused this much upset

>>52988668
Is that Jay on the right?

>>52988633
Damn anon, you made me sad about stormtroopers and battledroids.

>>52988195
>YO EMPRAH IS WATCHIN'

>>52988817
>THE EMPIRE IS WATCHIN'. BUT MORE IMPORTANT: LORD VADER IS WATCHIN'.

How good are the official EotE adventure modules? I might be running my first game soon and would like to use something premade while we all get a feel for it.

Any recommendations or ones to stay away from? And could you run AoR/FaD adventures with an EotE party?

>>52988684
You betcha

>>52988846
They're pretty decent in my (admittedly limited) experience.
And yes, you can run the adventures since the systems are all completely interchangeable.

The only issue is that the stories are tailored to their system.

So the AoR premades are about fucking the empire, and the FaD ones are about the force and jedi.

Easy enough to use for whatever group you want to run, but the basic story / design might need some repurposing.

>>52988668
>that pic
two cool dudes

>>52988846
Jewel of Yavin is top tier but it's not for beginner parties

>>52988846
Those that I've seen were really meh. Basic encounters linked with a few threads, not much. The heist one was better, but not by much.
AoR and EotE are completely interchangeable, but aside from a couple powerlevels tweaks, you can put a regular party in a FaD module and vice versa.

>>52988668
>>52988961
With absolute shit taste in Star Wars

>>52988814
>be a TIE bomber pilot
>you're going out on a big sortie
>can't BDZ the Reb's capital; the fuckstick governor wants something to govern after the war is over
>At this rate, the war won't fucking be over - but you're just a pilot
>The sensor-warning-receiver starts screaming in your ear as telephone-pole sized concussion missiles starts screaming at your formation
>you take evasive action and hit the deck
>this was the wrong move - light blasters and even slugthrowers open up
>they played you like a god damn fiddle!
>how the fuck had they gotten this intel that you would be here at this time
>you're hit and the TIE bomber falls to earth
>as you crawl from the wreckage, you realize that the dozen mission tallies stencilled on the hull might not make a good impression with the locals

>>52988987
A year ago, I would've agreed, but after Mike made it clear he didn't like TFA and only viewed it as better than the Prequels, I disagree. I still prefer the Prequels over R1/TFA, but Mike isn't that big of a TFA fanboy anymore.

>>52986901
>>52987044
I have VI that Im printing

mk2 engines would be awesome
Im printing intimidation and TLT but only the wiki cards as I could find the high res art

I'm trying to print a stack, but just off a local print shop (or staples if I can't find a good deal.)
Finding places with the proper 120 lb stock is harder than I thought though

>>52989051
>rig the TIE to arm the remaining bombs on a time fuze of 1 second
>wait for the locals to show up and give them a parting gift

>>52989077
He never was.

TFA's eventual full-on review was 'competent but too safe, overall a mediocre borrower.'

RLM just really, really hate nostalgia-mining.

>>52989164
Yeah, I have 6 copies of VI, and that's just because I give out the copies i have if I was to get more.

If you can print them out and they look good, would you be willing to mail some to me? I can pay if needed.

And I'll get the image for Mk2 engines now.

Rich Evans is a gift from God and I'll hear nothing that says otherwise.

>>52989269
He's probably the funniest of the group, but that's only to to self-deprecation, of which he deserves every ounce because he don't seem too smart.

>>52985598
IT BROKE NEW GROUND!

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>>52989250
>>52989164
Here's the artwork.
Making the SE card now.

>>52986089

IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!!

>>52988842
>STORMTROOPAS AROUND THIS GALAXY WOULD GIVE THEY'S LEFT NUTS TO BE WHERE YOU ARE

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>>52989401
>>52989164
done shuffling the image location around. Here's the printable.

>>52989250
Yeah, sure I'd send you some.
Hit me with an email.

>>52989573
awesome, thanks

>>52989305
I've come to appreciate Jay a lot more. Mike has the best comedic timing. Rich seems to be the nicest.

AIDS Moby sucks, but he's gotten a lot more amusing recently. Still the biggest hipster in the group.

I kinda wish Max Landis would come for another ep. He was legit fun in the Double Down one.

>>52989632
I'm the same guy. Not sure why you replied to me twice.

[email protected], and I'll email you my actual email- It's got my full name in it, so I won't post it on tg.

>>52989401

What was the TIE variant that looked like this but with just 3 panels perpendicular to the hull? It looks actually viable b/c of decent LoS/FoV...

>>52989652
My only issue with Rich is that he seems very close-minded, especially when it comes to SW. As far as I can tell he dismisses any SW media that's not the films, despite not being too well-informed.

Whenever anybody brings up stuff outside of the films he usually mentions a few things as evidence for all non-film SW media being trash. Usually it's the Ysalamiri, or Vader's suit being trash. Which is to say, stuff that's no-longer canon.

>>52985598

I saw a post on another thread talking about how the Stormtrooper corps were shit on Endor and like

Are you going to ignore the fact the ewoks managed to capture a wookiee veteran, a smuggler/general and a Jedi knight? And were planning on cooking and eating them?

Them teddy bears were savage fucks mang. They probably hunting big things every day.

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>>52989713
The TIE Phantom?

>>52989652
Jay is probably the most intelligent of the group, but his film tastes get a little artsy fartsy and experimental for me. Mike is also well educated (film school and all) and has good timing, but sacrifices his opinion and clarity of voice for the sake of making jokes, so it's a little hard to find his actual opinion. Overall his taste in things is a lot like my own. I actually really like Jack, he has been getting better at being less soft-spoken. His videogame series with Rich is pretty good though long-winded. Rich is a funnyman, hard to take seriously but a good punching bag for the rest of the crew. We never see Josh anymore and that's a great thing.
Fuck max Landis, not only is he an annoying prick on camera, he can't write for shit. He's a fucking crybaby who makes his peers look like entitled fucks. "Hollywood doesn't like me because I'm open minded. I should have gone into indie stuff." No, Max, Hollywood doesn't like you because you suck. They want you to be more like your dad and you'll never be that good.

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>>52989736
Yub yub, Commander.

Y'know, I have to wonder if anyone on the RLM team actually like any aspect of the old Star Wars EU.

Anyway, are there rules for weaponized podracers and other things that aren't usually weaponized? Thinking of some weird Star Wars Demolition-style game.

>>52989807
Not even memeing, but Mike reminds me of suicidally depressed people I've known. I'm not sure if he's doing that on purpose or not.

>>52989736
All the Rebel commandos got BTFO, yeah.

It's kinda ridiculous that this chimp-tier civ managed to be that dangerous.

>>52989841
It's on purpose. It's a character he's been playing since his webshow The Grabowskis. It's a great fucking character IMO, both caricature and relatable like a black-comedy Homer Simpson.

>>52989860
Never, ever, underestimate a foe who understands an environment mostly alien to you.

>>52989922
How are trees alien?

Kudos to the teddies for their walker traps, tho. Either they made them right before the battle, which is pretty impressive, or they had planned to exterminate the Imperials for weeks.

>>52989807
Max Landis is correct when he says that despite being a talentless hack who was born lucky, so too is at least half of the rest of Hollywood and none of those people get the hate he gets. It's like the Amy Schumer effect - if you don't find a comedian funny, you ignore them, like you do 99.99% of all comedians. The pop-culture hatred circlejerk is something else entirely.

>>52989835
>Y'know, I have to wonder if anyone on the RLM team actually like any aspect of the old Star Wars EU.

Rich (and maybe Josh) probably does, Mike and Jay have probably never engaged with it whatsoever.

>>52989734
I think that probably happens because Rich has a deceptively thin skin for shit coming from the fans, and the most often scenario in which the EU is brought up is as context to a conversation about a flaw in the movies, which prompts him to (rightly) dismiss it as bullshit.

>>52989922
>Never, ever, underestimate a foe who understands an environment mostly alien to you.

Are you trying to argue that "forest with big trees" is an alien environment to the Space SS?

>>52989835
Silent Vigil, the Sentinel book, has podracer rules. Just slap guns, forward rams and deflector shields on them.

>>52988846
>Any recommendations or ones to stay away from?
Jewel of Yavin is great, but set up more for experienced parties and appeals to a certain type of player. Beyond the Rim is solidly good.

>And could you run AoR/FaD adventures with an EotE party?
Yes to AoR, probably not the FnD adventure because it hinges on the party's interactions with the force.

>>52989736
>>52989860
>>52989922
I recall an interview with George where he admits that it was literally done to sell toys. Also why Han didn't die in the bunker assault, which was in the original script.

People like to meme about Ewoks, and that's fine, but they forget that
A. The Stormtroopers absolutely trounced the Reb commandos and the heroes, and also obliterated the Ewoks post-ambush in Legends.
B. The Ewoks also captured Rebel commandos, droids, and a fucking Jedi and nearly killed them until they pulled the "Droids are gods so spare us" card.

>>52989958
>>52990004
Admittedly I am exaggerating, though the Empire is based in part on Nixon era America, and we all now how well Vietnam went for them.

>>52990004
>Max Landis is correct when he says that despite being a talentless hack who was born lucky, so too is at least half of the rest of Hollywood and none of those people get the hate he gets.

Max Landis is like that comic of the person flinging shit over a wall and being surprised when shit gets flung back over, but this is completely off topic - it's not even about Star Wars anymore

>>52990118
>it's not even about Star Wars anymore
it's better than most on-topic convos today desu
TFW we have better film discussions than /tv/

>>52990147
>Film discussions
>/tg/

And that's exactly why today's thread was 5000% shitty

>>52990095
>though the Empire is based in part on Nixon era America
I don't really see the resemblance desu.

>>52990147
every board is the worst board for discussing its topic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgR0tDwfBqs

IT AIN'T SHEEV
IT AIN'T SHEEV
I AIN'T NO FORTUNATE CLONE

>>52990216
were it not for /diy/, I'd agree with you

How does one go about writing a sympathetic Imperial without having them turncoat and joining the Rebellion?

>>52990285
Galen Erso

>>52990285
how do you write a sympathetic [insert anything] without having them turncoat and join [anti-government terrorist group]

Is the LAAT/i one of the coolest things to come out of the prequels? How can you hate motherfucking Space Hinds

>>52990285
Jin Roh the Wolf Brigade

>>52990190
It's true, the drop in quality today is astounding when you compare it to other recent threads. Why can't we go back to talking about how Alderaan had it coming and other high-brow topics?

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>>52990285

>>52990334
Alderaanians were good citizens. They didn't do anything

>>52990270
>Sending the LAATs in before the enemy AA and fighters have been pounded into dust
>Sending the LAAts in ahead of your own starfighters
Was the Republic force on a really tight schedule there or something?

>>52990432
Jedi generals were a mistake

>>52990418
Alderaan was a nest of terrorism that needed to be stopped.

>>52990468
t. Tarkin

>>52990468
>be Alderaaan
>supply manpower to terrorists
>supply money to terrorists
>supply weapons to terrorists
>our royal family explicitly supports terrorists
>their daughter, in fact, is a top-ranked terrorist official
>she uses her diplomatic immunity and makes false peace missions to help terrorists kill Imperial servicemen
>get blown up
>WTF WE DINDU NUFFIN

>>52990479
If only. Peter Cushing's a dreamboat.

>>52989219
>really hate nostalgia-mining
>half of the argument for the PT bash was 'n-not muh OT'
really princes my jedi

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>>52990533
>But anon! It's a space opera! The Rebels could murder 500,000,000 Imperial civilians and they'd be heroes and the Empire could save orphans and kittens and they'd be evil because A New Hope's opening crawl says so! STOP THINKING LOGICALLY ABOUT MY SPACE OPERA YOU FASCIST!

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>>52990533
>Implying the entire planet was in on it
>Forgetting the Celchu family and other pro-Imperial citizens on the planet
>Forgetting that Alderaan was a divided world with a sizable base of Imperial support that went all the way to the planet's financial elite
>Forgetting the fanatical anti-Organa faction in the planet's government, who were so crazy they still took Leia hostage and sided with the Empire after Yavin
>Forgetting all the fucking Alderaanians in active Imperial military service
Good fucking job, Tarkin. You committed mass blue-on-blue and put Alderaan's greatest superweapon, Tycho Winterfucking Celchu, squarely in Rebellion hands. And now all the other Alderaanians who would have stayed loyal have either defected or become enemy infiltrators within your own ranks.

>>52990004
There was the episode where Mike and Jay spent a good solid ten minutes mocking EU shit revolving around Darth Vader.

>>52990147
Probably 'cause we're not autists trying to be film critics and masturbating over non-Hollywood movies in an attempt to be the net Armond White but somehow less ironic.

>>52990285
It's really not that hard. Aside from the two or three movie villains and a handful of elites in Legends most Imperials are pretty reasonable guys, and it wouldn't be hard to make them sympathetic.

One idea would be:
>ISB agent on Outer Rim world
>Rebels want him dead - if it's AoR the players are tasked with killing him, if it's EotE the players get an offer from the Rebels to take him out for cash, or an offer from the ISB to protect him for cash
>They learn that he's been severely cutting crime down on the world and has been enacting rightful justice on wrongdoing.
>Rebels want him dead to intentionally destabilize the planet
>want players to destroy his documents of proof of Rebel atrocities and terror efforts on the planet and instead frame the Imperials for committing them

For a Rebel party, this would probably be a very dramatic moment, and it's nice to see the stories of Rebels who turncoated to the Empire, since that happened too.

For an Edge party, this might be less dramatic, since they're either in it for the money and kill him anyway or take the money and turn against their former Rebel employers.

>>52990701
>There was the episode where Mike and Jay spent a good solid ten minutes mocking EU shit revolving around Darth Vader.

To their credit, it was very stupid shit that they mocked that deserved to be mocked and has been mocked on here relentlessly, and for good reason.

>THEY USED WOODOO HIDE TO TRICK PALPATINE

>>52988590
Sure

>>52988590
>Would anyone in the thread be interested in seeing simple repaints?
yea

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>>52985598

Current year. Not using picture of superior Empire Strikes Back AT-ST master race.

>>52991159
Why was the Empire so reliant on shitty walker-based weapons platforms, when hover tech also existed?

>>52990763
I'm so happy all of that idiocy regarding Vader's suit is gone.

The new canon has been immensely more respectful of Vader as a character in general.

>>52991182
cheaper, prolly

>>52991182
In universe hovertanks couldn't traverse shielding, walkers could be hardened against it and were grounded. Kind of like how the AAT or LAAT/i couldn't pass through shields in TPM or TCW, but the droids, clones and AT-TE could. Something something technobabble.

>>52991182
This is Legends, but:
1. The Empire wasn't heavily reliant on walkers. The AT-ST and AT-AT are the only ones they made the heaviest use of. They had a fairly balanced ratio of other vehicles, hovervehicles, and walkers.
2. AT-STs and AT-ATs were quite good, but had weaknesses. AT-STs had excellent terrain negotiation, but could be tripped. However, they still were heavily armored and well-equipped, and could navigate urban and jungle environments that regular hovertanks couldn't. They were also quite fast. AT-ATs were extremely heavily armored and armed, and could carry 40-something troopers for deployments. Their cannons were roughly turbolaser power, and when later units got shields, they were almost unstoppable.

2. Hover technology was expensive and unreliable overall. It had a nasty tendency to stop working at the worst possible moments. This is what led both the Empire and Alliance to often "upgrade" their hover vehicles with regular treaded vehicles, because hovertech required huge amounts of power and maintenance to keep up. Walkers didn't.

>>52991249
General Veers says something about it in ESB too, they have to land AT-AT outside of the Rebel base and walk in. If Ozzel hadn't jumped in too close to the system and alerted Echo Base, they could have pounded it from orbit or flown transports directly in to the base.

>>52990996
>>52991033
It's a bit late- my LGS closed an hour ago.

They also aren't open Mon/Tues.

Likely later this week i can take photos.

>>52991182
It looks cool

>>52987312
Well I'm convinced.

>>52991415
>They also aren't open Mon/Tues
this is no way to run a fucking business.
Closing earlyish on a Sunday, sure. But not open for 2 business days a week? wtf.

>>52991182
The design crew on ESB decided walkers looked good, and lent the Empire a menacing aesthetic for the cowboy-samurai remake of Flash Gordon vs. The Space Nazis they were working on.

In-universe (ESB&RoJ) they worked just fine and are presented as nothing but capable military machines.

Yes I hate fun, but the trend to castigate in-universe engineers for decisions made by the writers/costume designer/SFX guys ticks me off.

>>52990687
Can you guys imagine if Tycho had stayed a Imp Pilot?

Fel, Fel's Wrath, Tycho and Steele together as one Interceptor, or force forbids, Defender, flight. That would even give Wedge Antillies nightmares

>>52983221
>>52983317
>>52983388
>>52983496
As tactically unsound as the stormtroopers surrounding him were I liked that the human shield kept screaming and none of the shots breached the chestplate.

Seemed like they turned down the power somewhat precisely so they had to worry less about friendly fire when shooting the unarmored priest. Maybe it's even automatic friend or foe detection in the scope?

(See this comment actually relates to games since it's talking about tech and situations a player may end up in.)

>>52991297
Eh, if the rebels had half a brain that shield was on from the moment they detected the probe droid. Vader was just still mad at Ozzel for dismissing the data from the probe droid and nearly making them miss the planet completely if Vader hadn't overheard Piett arguing with him.
>>52991182
Out of universe it was looks, in universe it was partly looks, partly hovertech's inability to bypass shields and the presence of other tech that could jam them.

>>52991482
They used to be open 7 days a week, but then they started losing money and cut hours. They are broke, as they have 6 owners and 3 of them are inept.

One of them put a shit load of their liquid capital into ~50 copies of the MTG card 'Force of Will' a couple of months ago. Now they have 40-something copies of a card priced at $65 in their case and say they don't have liquid capital to stock more X-wing stuff.

They said they will shut down in june.

Embarrassing that they are this bad at business, as it's next to Penn State. They could likely get a business student to help them run the store for chump change.

>>52992613
>6 owners
fucked from the start

>>52992613
Fuck dude, they could probably get a student to help for free. Mandatory intern hours are a thing for some universities.

>>52985681
>being completely joyless

>>52992714
that's not legal in the US to do that if the organization you are interning for gets any sort of benefit from you working there.

Purely educational internships can get away with not paying, but anything that benefits any company must be paid.

>>52992666
And they frequently disagree. They have 2 owners that know what they are doing, 2 who are hands-off, and 2 people who should not be running a business.

>>52992613

Shit, a game store next to uni should be a money printer. Get some semi-intelligent students on the floor as your day staff, don't have 6 owners (holy shit, most FLGS' near me don't have 8 people on staff), and do past-midnight events, with a cooler full of drinks and snacks.

>>52992806
As with most stores, they use MTG as their main revenue source- The issue is that they said that they didn't want to disrupt the existing MTG groups on campus. There's a group in the student center that does a 36 hour MTG meetup every week, and usually get 60 people. I was thinking "Hey, why don't you hire the university employee who runs that, and have them do that in the store". They decided to close early on those days instead.

for X-wing, i kept trying to get them to try to get tournaments running, but it went nowhere. I ended up just getting 6 playmats printed for myself so that I can run a tournament on my own (I ended up giving them away, but to people that would be playing Xwing at those tournaments) once they shut down.

Also, they are next door to a Sheetz (Cheap restaurant with snacks) so they can't really win a price war with them on food/drinks.

>>52992894

so they picked a horrible location, didn't do a deal with the food vendor to sell their product on game nights, and doesn't want to compete with local games? ...did they study business?

>>52992930
They didn't have much of a choice on location- If anything, being next to a Sheetz would draw in passerby.

And no, I don't believe any of them have business degrees. Odd again, considering Penn State (known for their business programs) is half a block away.

>>52992975
>Business students
>Working at a game store
Business students generally don't look for job opportunities in gaming. Everyone wants big pharma, defense, consumer goods, real estate, Wall Street, or Silicon Valley. Gaming generally doesn't pay nearly as well or get nearly as much glamorous press.

t. business student

>>52992894
WTF
Game stores don't stay open without magic
Its one of the few games where players continually buy

>>52993030
I meant getting a current student to help run the store.

>>52992894
>>52993044

can they get an employee to take a backpack full of booster packs and starters to these 36-hour sessions, and sell product directly? Or does that run into all kinds of college rules.

>>52993224
They don't want to. That's the issue.

>>52992894
>>52992930
>>52992975
>mfw only LGS focuses on MTG almost exclusively
>mfw owner is a greedy asshole who's rude to customers behind their backs
>mfw owner is openly cucked by his wife but fucks any female who works there and he's like 65
>mfw employees are all shitters

>>52987748
Yes, im not the only one who does this! Nobody on swg talks about IA and the miniatures.

>>52993604
I have some IA stuff that I'm in the process of priming up to paint now.

Do you think that there will ever be Deathtroopers in IA, or will my Black Stormtroopers that I use as Estormies not confuse anyone?

>>52993604
It's a pretty fun game.

I'm going to play IA at Worlds too.

>>52994191
What would you reccomend for someone who just got IA and has a decent imperial collection, but needs rebels to be able to give to his opponents (as he is the only one who owns IA)?

What's some interesting rebel units to give to beginners?

>>52985630
>Not Animated
7/10

>>52994221
I'm far from an expert, Worlds will be my first tournament. But from what I've tried, I really like Jedi Luke, R2/3PO, Ben, Alliance Rangers, and Alliance Smuggler

>>52985681

Their opinion is wrong (especially when it comes to RoTS), but I wouldn't go that far. They're just normies man.

>>52985971

Why are fighters looking to replace missiles with lasers IRL? Wouldn't using missiles be a regression of tech?

>>52994482
What are you trying to say? RLM generally liked RotS, it's just a matter of the ending being rushed as fuck.

Just finished the script for my first scripted X-wing video. Will try to record and edit tomorrow. Expect an upload before Wednesday (trying for 2 uploads this week (I'll be doing releases as fast as I can manage for the first half of this month)). This episode is on countering TIE swarms, btw.

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>>52992777
>joyless
Just like RLM's "humor"?
Their actual discussions are decent most of the time, but Mike's "people who disagree with my jaded opinions or point out good elements that I don't acknowledge as such are retards" reactionary routine is an act that got old really fast.

How popular would a rebel cell member be if the y somehow kill the Emperor. Will they be immortalized? Same if some Stormtrooper killed Mon Mothma and brought her head before the emperor

>>52995353
In either case, he'd get a promotion and a little party or whatever, maybe his name would get remembered in history books and shit. Try to imagine if there was a GI who somehow killed Hitler. He would be widely celebrated in his time, but fade into history and business as usual pretty quickly. The assassin never attains more notoriety than the guy he killed.

>>52994730
Being someone who still hasn't had the chance to play in a store tourney (just started recently but I'm studying the meta and general strategy), are TIE swarms still common? I rarely hear about them anymore.

>>52995687
They're still pretty tough, though they've fallen a bit out of favor competitively. They're harder for the Imperial player to fly (due to how many ships there are to be mindful of), but in the hands of an experienced player, they can devastate some of the smaller squads that are common right now since they're just so good at jousting. They take some real skill to beat without a tailored list and they aren't uncommon among newer players.

>>52995353
>>52995418
Yep. They'll get their medals, be named the Hero of the Alliance/Empire, get recognized, maybe appear in the media, but fifty years later they'll be a historical footnote at best.

>>52995687
They aren't as common now, but a well flown swarm can do some serious damage.

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>>52989736
Ewoks are basically a sanitized, less-racist version of the "Fierce Cannibal Pygmy" trope. They're small and primitive, but exceptionally fearsome when they're angry.
And remember, that's basically an Ewok army plus a platoon of Rebel commandos attacking the lightly defended back door of the shield installation. And the Imperials are still holding their own until Chewie captures that walker.
>>52990285
Have them fight someone equally bad or worse than them.
Storm Troopers vs. Hutt Cartels, the Stormies are arguably the good guys. Fascist thugs, sure, but at least they aren't a bunch of goddamn slugs selling drugs and pimping unwilling Twileks across the galaxy.
You can also go with the honorable opponent/samurai-like sense of loyalty. An older commander might be fanatically loyal to Palpatine, seeing him as the man who saved the Old Republic from the corrupt Jedi and the Separatist menace. Or maybe an Inquisitor from a warrior culture has a Wookie Life Debt situation with whoever his master is. No matter how vile his orders are, loyalty and obedience take priority over everything else.
>>52990533
>You would prefer another target? A *military* target? Then name the system!
>>52993604
I think it looks cool, but haven't really done much research. Wanna give me a basic run down of how the game plays in your experience?

>>52988098
And yet it's canon that Imperial units got stuck with them on Murkhana. If it's enough of a crapsack world, they'll be using last gen shit.

>>52988047
Do it. Also, read Shatterpoint by Stover, it's Apocalypse Now IN SPAAAACE.

>>52990285
Play TIE Fighter. It's easy when a big chunk of the enemies are pirates or participants in a genocidal race war the empire is intervening in to stop. Or are outright traitors.

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>>52996562
>all this complicated shit

Just have the Imperials be the good guys, damn. There doesn't need to be fifty strings attached. You're soldiers of a government fighting a terrorist organization, it's that simple. You don't need muddled motives and "imperial but kinda not and not fans of Palpatine and" shut up and just make the Imperials the heroes.

We deserve it, considering at the very most 1 in 8 pieces of Legends canon or stories feature Imperials as the protagonists.

>>52990270
Some folks are born made to wave the flag
Ooh, they're true patriots
And when the band plays "Hail the Empire"
Ooh, they point a blaster at you, Lord

It ain't Sheev, it ain't Sheev, I ain't no senator's son, son
It ain't Sheev, it ain't Sheev; I ain't no fortunate clone, no

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh
But when the taxman comes to the door
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes

It ain't Sheev, it ain't Sheev, I ain't no corportate son, no
It ain't Sheev, it ain't Sheev; I ain't no fortunate clone, no

Some folks inherit the midi-chlorians.
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer "Be one with the Force", oh

It ain't Sheev, it ain't Sheev, I ain't no padawan son, son
It ain't Sheev, it ain't Sheev; I ain't no fortunate clone, one

It ain't Sheev, it ain't Sheev, I ain't no fortunate one
It ain't Sheev, it ain't Sheev, I ain't no fortunate clone

>>52990285
Half believing in COMPNOR propaganda, half realizing that the rebels are pretty shitty people.
>Alliance high command is made of Senators that 1) were the reason the Rebuplic was so shitty and the Empire appeared in the first place 2) only want their old power back.
>They're fucking terrorists (instead of simply assassinating Palps and not crippling the economy and industry of the entire galaxy)
>They're backed by separatist alien empires (have you seen the size of the Mon Cal fleet?)
>They ally with Hutts, slavers and pirates (there's a funny bit in recent canon where Wedge says "If we had known, we would have helped them" after the Empire makes a punitive raid on trandoshans for exterminatiing colonists; I'm sure the wooks would agree).
>The new republic will be exactly like the empire, but with new management and a full blown civil war.
>A ton of alliance defectors are awful people; I think the best was "They made sexist jokes, so I joined the alliance and killed them all."

>>52987601
The fuck you don't
>Bor Gullet!!!

>>52987964
>Welcome to anywhere under martial law ever.
So opressive dictatorships

>>52998824
Like the Nixon administration?

>>52992613
Well, it is Penn State, if they offered little boys for sale they would have to stay open 24/7

>>52998896
Yes

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>>52997598
>>52998526
The empire are evil space Nazis dudes... The rebellion are terrorists fighting on the side of righteousness. Rebels are led by Mon Mothma a paragon of good while the empire is led by someone just a few degrees above Satan. The empire doesn't deserve to be good guys unless they defect.

>>53000325
The Empire started as a system of government created by Palpatine and is made to crumble if he ever died, Palp was also an evil bastard who recruited yet more evil bastards in order to run his evil bastard Empire, and hen the Empire did crumble, all the evil bastards died and all the good people eventually got into command. The Empire DOES have good people, they're just the exception rather than the rule.

>>52997598

If you're playing an Imperial and you want them to be the hero, then you either need to work in a system where mass genocide is heroic, or you need to work in a system where your actions are contrary to the norm.

So, playing imperials as the heroes either means you need to repaint what counts as heroic, or they need to not be on board with a bunch of fucked up shit the Empire does as a matter of course.

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I know in the old EU Vader was weaker in the suit since Sheev made it shit on purpose. Is it the same for the new EU?

>>53000735
no

>>53000325
Why is the Empire evil?
Why is the Alliance good?
In the movies, you see mostly the two interacting with each other and ignoring the general population, and in other works, depending on the author, both sides range from paladins to dickish demons (often unintentionally, in the Alliance's case).

>>53000758
The empire is evil because it's led by an evil asshole who is a member of a religion of pure evil and gains power by feeding the misery and suffering of others not to mention he hires genocidal maniacs to work under him.

>>53000758

>you mostly see the two interacting with each other and ignoring the general population

Yeah, so we have to extrapolate from what little we do see or hear.

1) Empire destroys entire planet
That reflects pretty badly on what they think of civilians, and how they treat them in general as 'acceptable losses' to dick on the rebels a little
>Rebellion does nothing even close to this.

2) Empire destroys Jedha City, wiping out an unknown number of people in the city and probably on the planet with that much particulate thrown into the atmopshere. See above, reflects badly on their feels about civvies and acceptable collateral.
>Rebellion doesnt do anything approaching this.

3) Empire destroys a building becuase there's a rebel sniper in a higher storey of it. Again, doesnt reflect well.
>Rebellion doesnt do anything like this.

The closest the rebellion get to being shitty towards civvies is Saw's group of disavowed guerillas who start a fight in the middle of a city and dont try and clear the area. Which, yes, reflects badly on them (as non-Alliance members but as rebels in the eyes of the populace), but isnt on even the same scale.


Hence, if you want to play Imperials as heroic, you either need to re-brand what counts as heroic, or they need to not be your average imperials as depicted in the Star Wars films.
And that's fine.
Good people working inside a shitty organisation is a tried-and-true trope of all sorts of fiction and can work great.

See Babylon 5, see Stargate SG1 when they had to go up against US politics.

>>53000856
Only Tarkin, tho.

And don't forget about tricking a bunch of innocent stone-age teddybears into fighting their war by proxy against the mightiest army in the galaxy.

>>53000933
>innocent stone-age teddybears
They were literally about to eat a commando team.

>>53000933
>Only Tarkin
Massacring Jawas, Owen, and Beru in ANH looked pretty damn evil.

>>53000933

Tarkin did Alderaan, Krennic did Jedha, random Stormtrooper commander blew up a building.

Also worth noting that there's an entire room of officers right there when they wipe out a city - none of them complain. None of them even pause for a moment.
They shake hands and congratulate each other.
Krennic specifically remarks that the destruction of the city is 'beautiful'.

Seems fair to assume that at least the leadership pool of the empire are pure evil - presumably becuase that's who gets promoted under a man like Palpy.


>war by proxy
Im not sure you understand what that means.
There was no proxying going on. They just persuaded the Ewoks to help them out, and they did so. The Rebels were on the front line just as much as the Ewoks were, and in fact, went in without them at first.


>>53000972
Jesus, I completely forgot about that part.

So yeah, that too. Massacreing of innocent Jawas and moisture farmers becuase you think they might have come into contact with a droid, even if they know nothing about what it carries.

>>53000972
A shame they didn't show it and that Ben "A certain point of view" Kenobi is the only source here. Having the stormtroopers on Mos Elsley manhandle a couple civilians would have helped a great deal on establishing the Empire as ruthless.
Instead we got a ton of parodies about what could have happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvswNDAAZCU

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My group has been talking Star Wars. We've done the d20s before and they've been good fun but we're thinking about moving up to the FFG game.

Before I buy the books, though, I'd like to know: is their anything official on Gungans? Looking online and thinking about it, it seems like they've done everything they can to forget Gungans, so I'm gonna guess no, but one of my players loves playing Gungans, and he always makes really great ones, so I'm holding out and hoping for a yes here.

>>53001200
Gungans are a race option in one of the Force & Destiny splatbooks, can't remember which one.

>>53001200
>>53001271
Nexus of Power, that was it.

>>53001271
>>53001200
I think it's Nexus of Power

>>53001271
>>53001287
>>53001308
Thank you!

>>53000983
>Seems fair to assume that at least the leadership pool of the empire are pure evil - presumably becuase that's who gets promoted under a man like Palpy.
Plus the main method of getting promotions seemed to be betrayal and ass-kissing, most especially at flag rank, and decent officers couldn't keep up in that environment.
Take Pellaeon, the archetypal decent imperial. He held captain's rank for nearly THIRTY YEARS, and he only got that far because that was what rank the republic had promoted him to during the clone wars, and this was because he was noted for his total refusal to play all the political games that his peers who made it to the admiralty did

>>53001425
Politicians and apparatchiks in general aren't evil, they're just spineless bullies.
Look at real life, there's a distinct lack of grandiose malevolence and mustache twirling.

Never underestimate sheer incompetence.

>>53001827
>there's a distinct lack of grandiose malevolence and mustache twirling
Most of the evil shit happens behind the scenes, away from the eyes of the masses, barring exceptions like the USSR, China, and DPRK.

>>52998526
>>They ally with Hutts, slavers and pirates (there's a funny bit in recent canon where Wedge says "If we had known, we would have helped them" after the Empire makes a punitive raid on trandoshans for exterminatiing colonists; I'm sure the wooks would agree).
I'm gonna guess that's either out of context, or by Wendig.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0BopQzjXG0&feature=youtu.be

Please let me know what you think about my scripting.

Is there an expected standard for the quality of proxied x-wing cards? What kind of paper would you all recommend I use?

>>53002368
By Wallace.
From memory it went like this:
>Empire puts a colony in Trandoshan space
>trandoshans are pissed off and begin raiding settlements
>stormtrooper assault on entrenched raiders, use flamethrowers
>Wedge comments that since the trandoshans aren't allied with the rebels, they didn't know about it, otherwise they would have helped
To be fair, it's a report from an imperial PoV, but it lacks any implication of evil-doing aside from aggressive settling.

>>52997598
Most people haven't slogged through 8 pieces of legends canon, and it's not that simple to just forget about the first impression of the empire in A New Hope.

>>53000572
Another option is to just have the officers be callus corrupt amoral monsters consumed by their own ambitions while the rank and file soldiers they command are sympathetic characters that are capable of showing empathy.

>>53002638

Well yeah, that's pretty much what I meant by the main characters being not-on-board with the Empire's usual schtick.

I'd count 'corrupt/callous/amoral leadership' as the usual Imperial, at least.

>>53001425
Counterpoint : Piett is promoted form captain to admiral on the spot by Vader when Ozzel fails to attack Echo base correclty.

They must have good officer turnover rates.

>>53002787
Vader is kind of an exception to usual imperial procedure
I don't remember where, but it was said that lots of skilled young officers specifically tried to get under his command, because it was basically the only place in the navy where one could win promotion on competence alone

>>53002880
Sounds about right. In the Thrawn Trilogy, Pellaeon notes that the Executor's crew was one of the biggest concentrations of raw talent in the Imperial military. When the Executor went down at Endor, it took a huge chunk of the Empire's best and brightest with it.

>>53002787
>>53002880
>>53002943
Some however did the opposite, people would sabotage their own careers to keep off the Executor for fear of Vader.

>>53002486
custom card printers? Like the ones that let you print custom playing cards.

>>52995177
>"people who disagree with my jaded opinions or point out good elements that I don't acknowledge as such are retards"

So you're upset that he acts like some faggot from 4chan?

>>52988098
Nucanon Imps used a variant on Kashyyyk post Rotj.

>>52988098
>>52988158
>(see the new clone troop carrier in the Clone Wars show).
That's a police transport, the Laat/i is still in use for actual combat.

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>>52985651
>Space /K/

My father is a customs agent and wants to try some star wars game.
I'm curious, is there stats for imperial customs ships in Armda or the rpgs? Are they portrayed as villains like the imperial army or not?

>>53003096
>incompetents stabotaging their own careers
All is well in the Empire, thanks to lord Vader.

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>>53003556
Ave nex alea

>>53003661
The various customs boats (and there are quite a few) all have canon stats in WEG, and a few have canon stats in FFG, and most of the others have fan stats.
As for the customs people, they aren't really bad guys, but the people telling them what to impound/confiscate/collect tariffs on are total cocks slowly strangling the light freight business to death, so they're rather disliked even so

>>52998526

>Alliance high command is made of Senators that 1) were the reason the Rebuplic was so shitty and the Empire appeared in the first place 2) only want their old power back.

I don't know if NuCanon enforces this as much, but in Legends it was pretty obvious that Mon Mothma and Bail Organa only started the Rebellion because of greed and want of personal power.

Now, I'm not saying Empire dindu nuffin, but it's true Legends-wise that the Rebellion was run by some shitty people, and it was why it didn't do well post-Endor.

Most notably /ourguy/ Garm called Mothma out on her bullshit. Interestingly enough, the "kindhearted leader of the Rebellion" in propaganda elected to have him and his supporters killed by throwing them into a suicide mission (in which nearly everyone but Garm did die horribly) then cutting all ties with him.

Really makes you think.

>>53000848
>gains power by feeding the misery and suffering of others

How many times will this be repeated until anons realize this is not and never has been canon in any rendition of lore and that it came from a literal fucking fanfiction?

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>>53000325
>>53000507
>>53000572

>>53004040
Just like IRL, then ! Perfect.

>>53004121
it comes from the PT thought. Yoda states that it was galactic suffering that was feeding the dark side.

>>53001425
In E.U. Vader promoted Piett to Admiral not just because of Ozzel's failure, but because he believed that Piett's skills as a naval officer rivaled the Grand Admirals themselves, and had the Executor been allowed to fight at Endor, would've wiped out the Rebel fleet simply because of firepower and superior abilities over Ackbar.

Then you have dudes like Needa who are nice and respected.

When Vader's around everyone kisses his ass. When he isn't the Empire really isn't backstabby, treacherous, or asskissy, no more than any normal government in our own world.

and fuck you if you try to say something about Disney lore proving me wrong

>>53004091
>Bail Organa
He saw a padawan get gunned down and risked his life to help Yoda escape, he obviously feels some moral obligation beyond pure pragmatic calculation.

>>53004121
>>53004177
If you read between the lines in canon, Palpatine pretty much only has the Empire to fuel his evil boner. When he dies he pretty much tells everyone but the ones in on his contingencies to go fuck themselves.

>>53003661

You wouldnt necessarily have to run Imperial customs either - you could quite easily go for a more local customs force, meaning you could have them range from downright pirates with an official badge through to officious Imperials.

>>53004177
>>53004177
Yoda's not the word of god. They also couldn't sense anything or use the Force fully.

It's completely possible that Yoda was only speculating that suffering fed the Dark Side, since the PT Jedi Order had a very narrow and corrupted view of the Force and its workings.

The Dark Side feeds off passion and unbridled ambition, not the suffering or malevolence of others, though some evil men tap into it and twist their passion into powerful evil.

Yoda's comments aren't necessarily canon factuality, but his opinions on the matter.

>>53004208
To the Jedi he probably felt some obligation to help them because of close relations between the Organa family and the Jedi.

That doesn't mean he was a moral paragon who'd stick his neck out for everyone.

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>>53004204
>MUH MOUSE!!

I'm finishing the third novel of the Jedi Academy trilogy and I'm unironically loving it. While the concept of the Sun Crusher is retarded, every scene with the imperial scientists on the Death Star is gold.

>>53004251
That's not true at all, because if we're going by the E.U. Palpatine wrote letters and private memoirs, memoirs only he or his descendants would ever read, talking about how he thought he was doing the right thing, how the Sith would bring peace, and how the Empire would save the galaxy from coming doom (often interpreted as the Vong Invasion). If he were pure evil and only made the Empire to cause suffering, why make an Empire to begin with? He had unlimited Chancellor powers in the Republic. Just keep the war going forever. Why would you establish a new government based on order, peace, and defense if you want to cause pure suffering? Why would you write in private notes that you thought you were doing the good thing? Why wouldn't he just right "kicked another puppy today ehehehe so good to be the Emperor"?

There are more holes in the theory of Palpatine using the Empire to form misery than swiss cheese downrange from a machine gun.

>>53004322
>because if we're going by the E.U.
See, I'm not, and it's why these conversations never work out because I don't care about legends.

>>53003661
>>53004040
>>53004149
I think they've got the main Redili Customs Corvette statted in EotE core, the Rendili Customs Frigate (Actually smaller than the corvette because Rendili was 'avin a laff) in Fly Casual, the IPV-1 patrol ship has some EXTREMELY janky stats in that one adventure book where you're hunting down the crashed CIS treasure ship. (They gave its light Turbolasers the damage stats of heavy turbos on a light turbolaser recharge rate.) I think SOMETHING has the stats on the Guardian patrol vessel but I don't remember where.

The Vigil Class corvette is also in either EotE or I think AoR core, and the Raider Corvette is in Friends Like These, but is mainly a navy asset not used on customs patrols.

Not sure if anything has the Arquitens Light Cruiser or the imperial version of the Gozanti, but the base Gozanti is in AoR core and at least one of the EotE splats, just remove the side guns, increase the armor/hull, increase speed, replace the Torpedo with a concussion missile tube, and replace the quads with one dual medium and one heavy laser then give it four docking clamps.

>>53004341
And I don't care about nucanon.

Immovable objects arguing with unstoppable force

>>53004272
>It's completely possible that Yoda was only speculating that suffering fed the Dark Side, since the PT Jedi Order had a very narrow and corrupted view of the Force and its workings.
Now who's working off fan-faction?

>Okay so yeah he risked life and limb to do a good thing but so I'll move the goalposts to require he be a moral paragon instead of not being a heartless politico
I see, fascinating.

>>53004322
>Vong
Hahahahahahahaahahahahahaha

>>53004341

That's OK.
When Paramount buys Disney in 2031 everything will be wiped again.
New clean slate will be OT + Caravan of Courage, nothing else.

>>53004288

I actually enjoyed those as well, anon.
In fairness, I was about 13 at the time, but they were still a fun read.

The sun crusher really is retarded though.
Plus, Kyp should never have been forgiven and allowed to train, considering what he did.

>>53004415
That canon will still mean more than the EU ever did.

>>53004393
>Now who's working off fan-faction?

>everything the deuteragonists say is complete fact and if you disagree that is fanfiction they never lie or are wrong or speculate

I wanna see a fictional story written where every single character tells the truth the entire time and never lies or forgets or is mistaken. Imagine how cripplingly boring that'd be.

>>53004443
With how Disney's handled it, it's clear they could care less about canon and will let any Tom, Cuck or Harry write for it. E.U. wasn't perfect but Disney has no value placed on lore or story, and all of it fixated on marketing and profit.

>>53004393
>trying to save a jedi is a good thing

Jedi aren't always good and Sith aren't always evil. They're pretty morally ambiguous, with the only real difference being Jedi focus on peace and Sith focus on passion/liberation of self. Saving a Jedi or Sith is no more heroic than killing a Jedi or Sith. They're just warrior monks.

>>53004476
I can tell how much you know based on the words you use. But it's fine, Lucas would have bulldozed the EU anyway if he didn't sell.

>>53004432

> Spoiler

If Ulic Qel-Droma can be forgiven for waging war on the Republic, Kyp can too.
They can even field the same excuse an blame everything on Exar Kun.

Yo, doing a lot of house work today, any actual play podcasts of the FFG games? preferably AoR

>>53004593

Well sure, but come on man, he buttrekt an entire system.

>>53004593
Ulic is forgiven after spending over a decade in exile without the force and saving a child.

And he dies at the end.
>>53004629
Ulic DID help Exar use whatserhface to blow up like five suns.

KJA blows up waaaaaay too many suns.

>>53002430

Damn, scripting it makes it run way better.
Definitely stick to that in future man.

>>53004498
>Risking your life for another isn't good
>Sith aren't always evil
Hahahahahahaahahaha No more please I beg of you. Hux

>>53004694
Thank you, thank you. I'll probably keep it up.

>>53004683

Ulic was a trained Jedi before is fall.
Kyp was a kid.
Also, he only wrecked imperial worlds and everybody knows they were filled with evil people, ANH opening crawl said so.

>>53004783
He risked his life, cool, but the effect would've been the same had it been for anyone. He could've risked his life to save Palpatine and it'd have been just as heroic. Caveating him saving a Jedi isn't necessary.

>>53004826
Nah, the whole kyp gets redeemed thing was very stupid.

>>53003129
Pretty much.

>>53004827
Yeah it's not like they were the victims of mass-murder or anything, basically the same a saving a serial rapist you're right.

>>53004322
>Why would you establish a new government based on order, peace, and defense if you want to cause pure suffering?
Yeah because saying something is what your government is all about is exactly the same as that being the case. See also China, USSR, DPRK, Nazi germany, literally every authoritarian regime ever, etc etc

>He had unlimited Chancellor powers in the Republic
No he had extensive emergency powers. That's definitely not the same thing. His goal was to slowly erode the Republic and it's institutions which was the reason he staged a galactic war in the first place. Plus there were people in the Senate who pretty easily connected the dots of how corruption in the government was increasing at the same time that he was gaining power, and realized that he was fomenting the corruption on purpose to strengthen his own position. Once the war finished people would realize that the problems that caused the war hadn't been solved and in fact had only gotten worse, and then he wouldn't be able to play the "emergency powers" card as easily. Better to claim real power de jure and de facto while in the perfect situation.

Last but certainly not least, for the Sith the Jedi and the Republic represented everything that had fought against for millenia. To completely destroy the Jedi and Republic at the same time, while simultaneously getting people to openly call for the establishment of Empire, something that both hated entities had fought against had to give Palpatine a fuck ton of satisfaction.

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What hook do I use to get a group of ne'er-do-wells on to a Venater hulk?

>>53007043

Old Clone Wars war equipment which can be easily fixed up and sold on to some outer rim tinpot dictator or defence fleet.

Captured CIS superweapon, the same.

Experimental hyperdrive which is why the ship was missing until now - no one knew where it jumped to.

The Jedi General who shouldve been aboard when it died had a holocron and lightsaber in his possession and a rich collector wants them both.
Whether the jedi is 1) there 2) dead is a matter of debate.

>>53007043
Literally two or three functional fighters or an intact couple of heavy blasters from the marine detachment's arsenal would be a haul worth more than they probably make in a year. Money from salvage is always a good motivation

If you're going to make a new thread link to it moron.

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>>53005875
>>53005875