EDH/Commander General

>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?
WORT SPELLSLINGER I need to stop building spellslinger decks

>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?
Just putting the finishing touches on Kruphix with a side order of clones. A friend of mine is coming back into town and he's bringing Daretti with him. Time to show him the new deck.

>>52916094
>Thread question
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?
No, still working on my Sapling deck. I Had to replace tires on my mother's car.
Maybe in May I'll be able to finish it.

>>52916147
Patrician taste, welcome to the Gruul Science Consortium

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still would like cool creature suggestions for feldon

>>52916212
Dragons. Just lots of dragons.

>>52916147
Hell yes my nigga

Wort is best spellslinger, nothing else compares

>>52916212
I'm a big fan of Myr Battlesphere but that's pretty obvious. Sandstone Oracle is a fun one to dump your hand then draw a bunch off of. Solemn Simalcrum is another obvious one. Treasure Keeper for value, depending on deck content.

>>52916212
Dragons are pretty tight

Also, Magus of the Wheel is rad for that instant-speed hand dump

>>52916212
Invader Parasite, that one dragon that cycles your hand for X cards where X is damage you dealt this turn and Dragon Mage to fill grave.

Speaking of Feldon, how does Scrap Trawler interacts with his clones?

>>52916185
>>52916255
Thanks my dudes, hopefully I'll be able to do as much SCIENCE! with Wort as I do with Mizzix/Melek. I don't want to do semi-goblin tribal, so I'll jam as much other types of tokens I can.

How do monored players get around containment-like effects?

>>52916094
>time at the next game night?
DRALNU

The LabMan wincon is going to make my group so mad

>>52916329
The clones have the CMC of whatever you reanimate so you pull something with less CMC than the clone from your grave when it dies, since it's also an artifact.

I'm pretty sure(?)

Does anyone know who the voice actress for the Magic DotP 2015 tutorial was? That voice almost makes up for having to play the tutorial.

>>52916329
Ramp like a fucking maniac and crap out enormous X spells. Gelatinous Genesis and Fireballs can fuck people up. The nice thing about Wort over Melek is that you don't have to do nearly as much topdeck manipulation

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>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?
Yeah, Working on a Karametra deck build around combing off with bounce creatures and cast effects. also got an atraxa deck that will be built never unless i stop being poor.

Has anyone tried Muzzio? He seems cool.

>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?
They're not close to being finished yet, but I'm working on getting the pieces I need for Ghoulcaller Gisa Devotion Zombie Tribal and Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim Cleric Tribal.

>>52916212
Dudes with good ETBs man.

>>52916588
Muzzio is basically Daretti but without the cool ass artifact recursion and more tutors. TLDR more consistent but more boring and predictable as a result

>>52916588
I have a Muzzio deck. I like it well enough, but I'm missing some cards to really push it over the top. Mainly I'm not running enough big bomby dudes. I have what I would consider nearly perfect mana rocks and it lets me ramp faster than the decks that run green that are in our playgroup.

>>52916329
The tokens are often incidental from my experience, they can become your win condition with a well-timed Overrun or whatever but otherwise I find myself just using them as conspire fodder.
Big X spells after conspiring a Mana Geyser or a Battle Hymn is honestly the most fun way I've gone nuclear on the table.
Valakut Packages and ramp also an option, Harvest Season from Amonkhet looks baller for that.
A Throne of the God-Pharaoh is a nice way to make your token count matter, however.

>>52916611
>>52916678
I had a feeling that that was the case. Consistent, but not as gnarly as Daretti. I don't like planeswalkers though, so I felt like Muzzio would be a nice enough replacement without going for Arcum Dagsson.

>>52916718
>I felt like Muzzio would be a nice enough replacement without going for Arcum Dagsson
Arcum Dagsson is way more boring than Muzzio IMO. I usually see those decks just tutor out the same combo pieces every game.

>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?

I'm working on a Brago deck. I don't have the pieces to make him really degenerate, but I wanna give it a shot nonetheless. Won't be ready for Friday, though.

I'm also considering options for a Hapatra deck, because I like the idea of slinging around -1/-1 counters, but it seems too easy to go infinite with her and make an arbitrary amount of snakes.

Looking for some input on this. Main win conditions involve getting Thrax big and swinging face, poison ballista shenanigans, chandra's ignition with infect, and other such things.

The only issue is that I don't think I have enough creatures/token generation for a sac outlet. Any advice?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/ride-the-lightning-thraximundar/

What should my Black/White split look like for Teysa, Orzhov Scion?

mark my words: one of the tribal decks will be bears

>>52917462
I want my jund goblin, Wizard

MY GODDAMN JUND GOBLIN

>>52917490
Shattergang brothers exist anon...

Politics, great deck or the greatest?

>>52917462
I'm hoping for Rats.

>>52917531
Look, I love shattergang brothers. I really do. I'm a stax player.

But Shattergang isn't a jund goblin commander.

>>52916094
>thread question
I've built Lovisa Coldeyes because the new art is cool and I've never gone full aggro before. Should be fun.

>>52917607
>colors: BRG
>type: goblin
??

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>>52916094
I shelled out 50 bucks for this dude and I still don't know how to build him.

Card looks great though

>>52917607
I have to agree. Every time I try to make a Jund Goblins list, I feel compelled not to waste Shattergang's effect, and all of a sudden I've built Shattergang Brothers, not Jund Goblins.

>>52917721
bruh you should have waited for the new one around the corner, or gotten a better Grixis commander at least.

>>52917755
He's a planeswalker card now so there's no point.

Also I have a sneaking suspicion new Bolas is going to be 5 color

>>52917792
They might make him like Freyalise and let you use him anyway. And I really hope not, removing Bolas's Grixis identity would be disappointing.

>>52918216
They refuse to do that.

>>52917792
Why would he be 5 colored when the card in Aether Revolt alluding to him was Grixis colors?

>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?
Alesha hatebears with a little burn thrown in for funsies. I also want to build a Temmet deck for shits and giggles, even if Temmet is better as part of the 99.

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>>52918319
Mostly because of this land, it's mana fixing for 5 colors, and it ominously has Bolas Horns in the background.

Seems like foreshadowing to me, I really hope I'm wrong

>>52918436
They won't even give us 3 color gods, why would they give us a 5 color Bolas?

>>52918436
Look at Dark Intimations, it states Bolas planeswalker by name and is Grixis

>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?
Kaervek taxes and ramp, no idea what to work on next but I dismantled yidris for being a shit deck so maybe Wort or Phenax

>>52918484
I don't know why WoTC does anything anymore

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>>52918436
Except a ton of things have Bolas horns because Bolas horns is a theme in the art design of Amonkhet.

Look, Approach of the Second Son is mono-white and has Bolas horns, Bolas is mono-white now!

Should I buy a tropical Island for my Edric deck? It's like $250 CAD for MP.

>>52918862
Get a Chinaman copy, $2~ and you will barely tell the difference

>>52918862
Only if you are buying it in person. Be sure to bring a Jewelers loupe and some experience.

Fakes have gotten a LOT better recently, light test and bend test no longer work, it's just the rosettes on the better fakes.

If you don't care that your card could be fake spend 2$ on a Chinaman version and beat the fuck outta that shit, water damage it a bit, and it will be nearly impossible to tell apart from the real thing except under loupe.

>>52916212
Wurmcoil engine is pure value town, back in 2014 that deck was super worth it just for daretti and wurmcoil

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Any lurking Phenax players? I got thinking about Paradox Engine earlier and realized it could do stuff with him, I'm just wondering if it's as silly fun as it sounds, whether it's self-milling into Lab Man or just milling the shit out of everyone on the table.

Rolled 5, 2, 5 = 12 (3d6)

Rolling for my next color identity, WUBRGC.

>>52919286
>Simic Cancer
Good job anon

>>52919310
It's not cancer if RNG decided : ^)

>>52918436
>Mostly because of this land, it's mana fixing for 5 colors, and it ominously has Bolas Horns in the background.
You nig nog do realise that under each waterfall is the statue of mono colored god?
And there happens to be 5 mono colored gods in the set.

>>52919159
Friend of mine has a Phenax deck, a WALL deck of all things. Has ways to make them indestructible, tap/untap etc.
Its fucking bonkers when he taps a few walls and mills half of someone's deck.

I'm looking to build something Orzhov (haven't settled on a commander) can anyone give me ideas for unexpected stuff that'll fit with extorting?
Best example I can give is Cleansing, which I just discovered yesterday.

>>52919286
This is not an honest test anon. There's far too much redundancy in the favor of non-tricolor, even though tricolor makes up almost 40% of the options.

If you wanna be fair, number all the possible pairs and then get an RNG to roll a number from 1 to 26.

>>52919367
Tell him to get Eater of the Dead
Or don't
It's your asshole on the line

Rolled 9 (1d26)

>>52919523
1 Colorless, 2 White, 3 Blue, 4 Black, 5 Red, 6 Green, 7 Azorius, 8 Orzhov, 9 Boros, 10 Selesnya, 11 Dimir, 12 Izzet, 13 Simic, 14 Rakdos, 15 Golgari, 16 Gruul, 17 Esper, 18 Grixis, 19 Jund, 20 Naya, 21 Bant, 22 Jeskai, 23 Mardu, 24 Abzan, 25 Sultai, 26 Temur.

inb4 13

>>52919688
Enjoy your facesitting.

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*Blocks your path*

>>52919688
Rest in peace anon.
No seriously, run it

>>52919730
More like
*sells off 50 Protean Hulks*

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>>52919746
>>52919727
Gonna be trying it with Tajic.

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>>52903082
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/591294#paper
sorry im late
ive played zada as my first deck. shes super fun

I have an old WB casual deck that I'm probably going to turn into an EDH deck, but I'm not entirely sure what to do with it. I'm thinking of going either life drain with Kambal or voltron with Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts.
Maybe use Obzedat instead of Kambal? Maybe make Teysa pillowfort? I don't know what to pick. Help me decide.

lads, so I'm curious
looking into Mikaeus but I'm not too sure about the counter aspect
so I understand if you can remove the counter then you can keep sac-ing something but if you add a -1/-1 counter does that negate the +1/+1?

>>52919859
121.3: If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it as a state-based action, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.

>>52919896
oh shit, so amonkhet cards work perfectly with -1/-1 counters

>>52919836
>Possibility Storm
Holy shit how did I never think of this

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>>52919927
>zadas ability works on cast
>fucks everyone else while giving you 2x spells

>>52916329
When you create a token that is a copy of a non-token creature it copies all the aspects of the card including cmc. This is different from tokens such as soldier tokens which are not copies of anything, which have no cmc/or cmc of 0 (forgot which one)

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>>52916338
You mean shit like Oblivion Ring?
You blow everything up.

>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?

Experiment Kraj deck that just grows out on control like Vig intended. It's not even a +1/+1 counter deck. Just packed full of ramp, draw, extra turns, and a Hoof, Memorial, and Rude Awakening as win cons.

On average it balls out of control around turn 6/7. Assuming no one breaks any of my toys of course, which will definitely happen.

>>52918977
>>52918945

But if I have the money, should I buy one? Assuming I won't get tricked.

>>52920342
Do you play Legacy?

http://www.starcitygames.com/article/34751_What-If-Banned-As-A-Commander-Came-Back.html

The RC everyone.
For real, how fucking stupid can one man be?

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>>52916338
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/617480#paper
become the containment like effects

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>>52920270

>Comboing that with my main man Zirilan
>And pic related

No one expects it and it feels so good. Yes, I know it's really fragile. But I mean you're casting apocalypse. What do you care?

>>52920492
Has he ever tried not playing with tryhards? He only complains about combo commanders.
EDH is pretty fun if you aren't playing with jerks.

>>52920436
Nope. Just EDH and Modern.

>>52920694
It's far worse than that. If he was actually playing with tryhards then trash like biorhythm and coalition victory would have never been on the banlist.

The worst thing about the RC is that they're in some fucked up purgatory in between competitive and casual. They're not gonna ban shit like mana crypt which is actually stupidly powerful, but incredibly powerful shit like balance does hit the list for some reason. They're inconsistent as fuck.

>>52920694
Doesn't help his case that a lot of the Commanders he listed aren't THAT ridiculous, unless you let them get there.
I run Prossh, and while he helps a ton, I can just as easily win with Champion of Lambholt, Dragon Broodmother, Hanweir Garrison and so on. Food Chain CAN let me go infinite and win, but it is quite easily disrupted.

>>52919447

>>52920492
I just don't get his argument. In his hypothetical world where the make the Banned as a Commander category a thing again, Braids gets allowed but not as a commander because it's not that strong. And then they'd apparently just go ban happy and ban Arcum Dagsson, Derevi, Augustin, Leovold, Narset, Oloro, Prossh and Zur? Can they not just... not do that?

>>52920522
I'm inspired.

Apocalypse, Decree of Annihilation, Jokulhaups, Obliterate, am I missing any?

>>52920770
Prossh is among the strongest commanders in the game though. Stop loving the format with a casual mind Sheldon.

>>52920972
Exactly. There's this retarded idea of "well if we'd bring back the banned as a commander list we'd have to use it extensively right?" but that's fucking retarded. Aren't they always saying that they want the banlist to be as small as possible? Doesn't that contradict? They could just bring it back to the way it was before right?

If it were up to me, rofellos, leovold, erayo and braids would all be banned as commanders, and Oldrakul would be banned only in the 99.

>>52921076
Oh I wholeheartedly agree that Prossh is strong;I'm saying that he isn't banworthy like Leovold or Braids.

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>Playing Gonti
>Have 4 swamps, worn powerstone and cabal coffers
>Drop sidisi so I can tutor and play Panharmonicon
>Next turn drop Gonti and Conjurer's Closet
>Enjoy my easy cruise to victory while I play everyone's cards

Why is he the best mono-black commander?

>>52919836
Where's your 0-cost creatures like Memnite?

>>52921118
Well he is T1 while Braids isn't and Leovold was just another stax commander, so you're wrong.

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>sacrificing Quicksand to kill Zurgo
>blow him out with Shu Yun on my turn

Spellslinger Voltron is best Voltron

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>>52921320
>Braids isn't T1
>Braids can easily fuck everyone over turn 1-2
Show us on the doll where Prossh one shot you, Anon.

Toshi Umezawa players: How? Is it just straight kill spells and "gotcha" stuff like Hatred?

>>52921386
Are you fucking retarded? Braids was never tier 1.

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>he puts more than 36 lands in decks that aren't Wort, Titania or Azusa

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How do I make this deck not shit? should I just say fuck it and build storm?

>>52921126
That's not how you spell Toshi.

What commander won't make people hate me?

>4 color EDH decks

Is this just a meme

>>52921921
Atraxa is less than a year old and is the most popular commander ever.

>>52921779
>He plays less than 36 lands and bitched about being mana screwed

>>52921846
throw in every single cascade card that doesn't have white
which is most of them

>>52921846
Build storm, it's by far any away the best way to build him

You can atleast consol yourself with the fact that, apart from the storm cards, there is a huge variation in the other cards you can use so your deck won't feel cookie cutter

>>52921400
I'm working on building Toshi.

First of all: there are some weird black instants.
Withering boon, Imp's mischief, darkness. Treacherous urge, broken visage, and nemesis trap also count.

Second, buyback. Toshi makes buyback really good- if you buyback when you flashback, it goes to your hand instead of exiling. Corpse dance is your friend.

Beyond that, there are three major flavours I've seen, often blended.
Voltron (lashwrithe, jitte, oathkeeper)
Control (Exsanguinate, fatties)
Reanimator (Grim return, makeshift mannequin, shallow grave, good reanimation targets)

You're obligated by fluff to include the following:
Jitte (Jitte)
Myojin of Night's Reach (best waifu)
Kiku, Night's Flower (inferior waifu)

You can do a lot of things with Toshi.

>>52921979
Name a 4 color EDH deck that isn't an unoriginal boring meme.dec

>>52922088
The gays

>>52922088
Every 4c general except Atraxa.

>>52922088
Name an EDH deck that's neither terrible or an unoriginal boring meme.dec.

>>52922088
Breya is the second most popular commander of all time : ^)

>>52922051
>Imp's mischief
That's fucking awesome holy shit. Dumb question: can I use that on an Ulamog destroy/exile trigger, or does it not work since it's not on the field yet?

Does anyone have some advice on how to straighten a card out? I just whipped out a foil from my collection that is starting to bend inwards on itself and I want to use it in my deck, but not in this condition.

>>52922201
Find your two heaviest books and put it between them for thee days.

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>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/t-o-x-i-c/

I haven't had the chance to play at my main game night yet, but I've played it a few times at lunch and Hapatra has been a blast so far.

Any spicy tech I'm missing? Still waiting on Scarab Nest, Quillspike, Phyrexian Delver, and Flourishing Defenses in the mail.

Anyone have decks that are two or three decks in one?

What I mean is, I have a Daiochan deck, an Ashling deck and a Zirilan deck that I just swap about 20-30 cards out and they use the rest of the same deck. The three commanders stay in the same sleeve too.

>>52922223
Skinrender is a 3/3 body for 2BB that also puts 3 -1/-1 counters on target creature.

Spread the Sickness is a kill spell for 4B that also proliferates.

Serrated Arrows is an artifact with counters that can be removed to put -1/-1 counters on target creature. You can easily put them back on with proliferate effects.

>>52922223
Pair this guy with Archfiend of Ifnir for fun times

>>52922088
Yiddish storm

>>52922223
>>52922319
I forgot Trigon of Corruption with is like arrows, but you need to pay 2 and tap it to apply -1/-1 to a creature, but you can pay BB and tap it to apply a counter to it if your clasp or engine is MIA or dead.

>>52922334
>Archfiend of Ifnir
I don't think it's actually good enough right now. There doesn't seem to be enough cycling/discard effects to support the Archfiend's effect, unless I'm overlooking some. Survival of the Fittest seems like it would work well with him, but even if I count afford a Survival in here, Archfiend seems win-more.

>>52922319
Skinrender seems good, but Sickness and Arrows seem a bit overcosted.

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I never considered this side of 8-And-Most, he's more tricky than I thought at first. Mono white control ahoy

>>52922502
Yeah, I'm debating sickness myself, but arrows you can get some mileage off of with clasp and engine, if you have them out.

>>52922456
What a bunch of cunts.

>>52922217
I don't have any books that could be defined as "heavy"... so how about a small tower of books?

>>52922456
literally who cares?

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>>52922561
He'd be nice in Samut

If only this card had better art.

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>>52922561
This is also pretty good in 8, he
completely blanks the spirit.

>>52922730
Hm, I like Samut's art. And yes, that too.

>>52922694
Just stack them from largest to smallest and push them against something so they won't fall over. The idea is putting sustained pressure on it when it's on a flat surface.

>>52922456
Damn I thought it was fake. It's not fake.

>>52922730
That signature in the corner really triggers my auts

>>52922794
>>52922694
Or just put the card on a table and put the tower of books on it? It's not rocket science.

>>52922940
>>52922794
Well, yeah. That's what I did.

>>52921779
I'm actually building Azusa. How many lands /should/ I be running?

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>imprinting Counterspell on an Isochron Scepter
>with a Paradox Engine and a couple rocks out
Babby's first control combo, I know, but man it's fun countering everyone's shit.

how the fuck do i make all the gods deck work

>>52923039
Isochron Scepter with Serum Visions in Noyan Dar.

maze of ith is a bad card that stalls games. i guess the most efficient removal is tectonic edge and the like?

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>>52923088
>maze of ith is a bad card that stalls games

>>52923088
The salt is real

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>mfw Bosh Vehicles
The mental image of a golem throwing trains and drag racers at people is too good to pass up

I'm gonna give him Infect too

>>52923293
I shot for Bosh vehicles and ended up with Bosh Big Robots :( Carry on my work!

hello i am bad at magic

why is the OP commander so bad?

it seems like you would cast something too big and get too many tokens and lose commander.

can you just recast commander? does this make more tokens? wouldn't you just lose commander again?

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>>52923351
>Bosh Big Robots
That sounds fun too. How big are the robots? Did you turn regular creatures into robots with Lattice?

>Scrap Mastery to get all my shit back
>slam dunk a train down someone's throat
>Recoup to do it again

This is so silly and I'm going to love it

>>52923394
He's an incredible sac fodder engine.

Mono-black is the king of sacrificing your own shit for value, a lot of which can be done at instant speed, so you rarely have to worry about actually sacrificing Endrek Sahr. Unless you want to.
>can you just recast commander?
Yes, black is very good at making tons of mana
>does this make more tokens?
No, his triggered ability is not in play when he is cast
>wouldn't you just lose commander again?
No

>>52923397
I can post a list for you friendo, though I make no guarantees of it's viability outside of my local group haha.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/boshs-rube-goldberg-machine/

Really it would have stuck as Vehicular Bosh-Slaughter except the local artifact lover took an interest and helped me pimp it up with other stuff. As it is it's really fun being able to chuck 3/4 of the deck at someone if I want to.

>>52916212
I use cathartic reunion, tormenting voice, gobling lore, faithless looting, burning inquiry and gamble for the discard.
Sundial of the infinite is a good card too, if you activate it in your second main phase you dont lose the tokens.
I also like the kiki-jiki zealous conscript combo.
I prefer value over dragons.

>>52923397
>>52923487
Though I still lack a scrap mastery, desu.

I'm building 5-color Tazri's Dungeon Crawlers of ADVENTURE

>Allies
>Trap spells
>Quest enchantments
>Legendary Creatures/Enchantments/Artifacts where appropriate for dat sweet loot

What other stuff would you guys include?

>>52921564
Competitive players everyone. Don't be like them.

>>52917707
Lovisa Coldeyes is a barbarian commander, but she's not one herself. What's your point? Goblin commander in this context means a commander that works well with the tribe, and like Lovisa, doesn't need to be one itself, but usually they are

>>52921400
If you're still lurking.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/moshi-moshi-toshi-desu-1/

Hatred and Tainted Strike aren't viable wincons. My last tweak was because the deck wasn't scary enough late game so I decided to to utilize early game creature destruction with late game reanimate effects. I also beefed up the backup voltron package. Most Toshi decks make the mistake of not running enough wincons and piddle out about t10ish. Most mono black decks don't run enough life gain as well to offset card draw. Avoid those two pitfalls.

Feel free to browse through my change log for stuff I've tried to see if it works for you or helps you determine where you might not want to take the deck.

>>52922128
Ulamog's triggered ability is an ability and not a spell so Imp's Mischief can't effect it. If you had a theoretical spell that could redirect abilities in mono black and you wanted to target thr Ulamog with it's own ability then you are correct that the Ulamog would not be a legal target because it's not in play.

>>52922128
Ulamog abilities are triggered abilities that teigger on cast, Imp's Mischief works only on spells.
That said, if it worked for abilities, it'd only work for OG Ulamog, since new one gets 2 targets.

Has xmage completely shit the bed for anyone else? I wanted to test some new decks tonight

>>52923793
I tried to install it after seeing people talk about it and it just kept saying that it failed to download both Java and XMage.

>daily reminder that the kind of people who most influence the RC's perception of the format (casual posters on the RC's forum), are also convinced that Meren is the current most powerful commander in the format, bar none.

How fucked are we?

It's more important to have card draw than ramp when you're playing with counterspells, right?

>>52925733
Mildly. Meren is pretty strong, but that being said, really degenerate decks are really really degenerate individual strategies. The only worthwhile thing that should be banned is Foodchain, and only because it enables a ridiculously strong, ridiculously niche deck.

>>52925825
In addition to Food Chain, I'd also ban Palinchron and Hermit Druid imo.

>>52925825
You are forgetting fast mana and tutors.

>>52925956
Nah.

Just unban painter's servant already.

MTG novice here still learning the game
Can you give me a quick rundown on infinite token combos? Aren't you pretty much guaranteed a win when you can just spam a million tokens if your opponent doesn't have a board wiping card?

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Is Rashmi a fun commander? I like value decks but I'm not sure how to build around her. I get that you're supposed to flash in stuff on other people's turns and manipulate the top of your library for maximum profit, but what else is there to think about? Should the mana curve be anything special?

>>52926102
What do people even use Painter's Servant with other than Grindstone?

>>52926144
Well, first, people wouldn't bother with grindstone, because that combo isn't actually good. It's sub par for competitive, and viewed as evil for casual.

Most of the things people would use it for would be synergies with Pyroblast type cards.

>>52926126
I'd run Rashmi in a Maelstrom Wanderer chaos deck, but I don't think I'd want her at the helm.

is the dawn cycle worth playing at all? the black one seems to be the best, but way too slow for the purpose of a tutor

>>52926126
Build a Rashmi Flash tribal deck.
>Instants
>Creatures with flash
>Things that let you cast at instant speed like Vedalken Orrery, Winding Canyons

Average CMC is up to you.

>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?
Protean Hulk combo. One card that can pull 10 different combos that win the game on the spot instantly.

The RC is so fucking stupid.

>>52926126
If you can get a mind's dilation to stick to the table with her on the field for even a few turns you'll be laughing all the way to the bank.

>>52926126
My friend's Rashmi is steal/clone tribal.

He casts "take control" type cards, then Rashmi's ability lets him get the clone he stacked on top of his deck and get more of the shit he steals.

It actually works really well.

Rules question: I have Mikaeus, Carrion Feeder and Fleshbag Marauder out. If I sacrifice Fleshbag Marauder to Carrion Feeder, what does the stack end up like?

Option 1
Stack top to bottom:
Fleshbag's undying trigger
Carrion's +1/+1 activated ability
>undying resolves, Fleshbag enters, ETB triggers
Stack:
Fleshbag's ETB
Carrion's +1/+1 activated ability
>ETB resolves, sacrifice Carrion to it, Carrion's undying triggers
Stack:
Carrion's undying trigger
Carrion's +1/+1 activated ability
>undying resolves, nothing new on the stack, Carrion's activated ability fizzles because he's a new entity
End result: Fleshbag with a +1/+1 counter out and Carrion with a +1/+1 counter out, both from undying

Option 2
Stack top to bottom:
Carrion's +1/+1 activated ability
Fleshbag's undying trigger
>activated ability resolves, Carrion has a +1/+1 counter
>undying resolves, Fleshbag enters, ETB triggers
Stack:
Fleshbag's ETB
>ETB resolves, sacrifice Carrion to it, undying triggers but he doesn't return because he already has a +1/+1 counter
End result: Fleshbag with a +1/+1 counter out and Carrion in the graveyard

Tl;dr when things get sacrificed as a cost for an activated ability, do LTBs or the activated ability resolve first?

>>52926950
Activating an ability involves both paying the costs and putting it on the stack. Above Carrion Feeder's ability will be the Undying trigger.

>>52926311
There's a guy running a Maelstrom Wanderer deck in my playgroup, so I'd like to try something a little different. I also have multiple 3-color decks already so a 2-color like Rashmi would be nice to balance things out. But point taken. Rashmi seems pretty fragile and must be allowed to stay on the field to be of use, while Maelstrom Wanderer just drops in and cascades into value immediately. I can definitely see the appeal of that.

>>52926374
I'll probably go for something like that. I've noticed that many people using multiple counterspells in their Rashmi decks. But I'll probably go easy on response-type cards, since you don't want to dig those up with Rashmi.

>>52926437
Mind's Dilation does seem pretty damn powerful with Rashmi if they are both allowed to stick around.

>>52926439
My Marchesa deck has a creature stealing theme, but I'll be sure to include a few clone cards.

Thanks for the replies.

>>52922103
they are also a boring meme.dec

>>52926969
Cheers

>>52926144
Iona

>>52926162
>>52927599
I think it would be auto include in Jaya Ballard, at least.
It'd be extremely strong with any colour hate

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>just resleeved my favorite deck with eclipse sleeves and replaced my demonic tutor with the lili art
What have you done recently to get ready for you next match /edhg/?

>>52928128
Go away, frogposter.

>>52928134
Pepe is timeless, and these sleeves are so much better than kmcs.

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I finally got Preacher for my Ayli!

>>52928190
I wish I had one. I also love the fact that the card tells you to give back the creature at the end of game.

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>>52928225
I love the old wording on cards with "special powers" and all.
My favorite is probably Rock Hydra

>>52928225
The days of ante, folks.

>>52923546
Some nice legendary lands to act as your party's new destinations.

>>52928166
No, Pepe is a shitty overused meme that signals the arrival of shitposters.

>>52922288
That's genuinely disgusting.

>>52922288
Melek/Mizzix is the only one I ever pulled out. I might try Angry Omnath/Wort in the same deck too.

>>52928313

Something like this today?

>Rock Hydra comes into play with X +1/+1 counters on it. Prevent all damage to Rock Hydra. For each point of damage prevented, you may pay R. If you do not, remove one +1/+1 counter from Rock Hydra.
>During your upkeep, you may pay RRR to add one +1/+1 counter to Rock Hydra.

>>52928955
Rock Hydra enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.

For each 1 damage that would be dealt to Rock Hydra, if it has a +1/+1 counter on it, remove a +1/+1 counter from it and prevent that 1 damage.

{R}: Prevent the next 1 damage that would be dealt to Rock Hydra this turn.

{R}{R}{R}: Put a +1/+1 counter on Rock Hydra. Activate this ability only during your upkeep.

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I got my group to house-unban Oldrakul as a commander, so I'm gonna adapt my kozilek deck into an emrakul deck.

Should I buy pic related?

>>52929044
Maybe, but keep in mind that they might change their minds after a single game and decide that it was banned for a reason

>>52926126
put in a moderate amount of ramp and flash shit

win condition is eldrazi and giant simic creatures

>>52926439
m8, i NEED you to get your friend to post a deck list

>>52929159
As a commander it really isn't very overpowered though. No cheating into play, no bribery bullshit, and you're in monobrown.

>>52929044
my play group did this and banned it again within the same night

>>52929239
What happened that was so egregious?

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So I just built my first "expensive" deck, and I'm wondering if I'm missing anything obvious. I know I need to save up for a doubling season, but I've ordered one, and it should be showing up any day now.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/super-spores-1/

>>52929237
Artifacts have been the strongest permanent type ever since fuking Alpha.
It's not really hard to ramp to 15 mana with mana rocks, even more so if you're not playing on a budget.
I'm playing Memnarch and I've had multiple times 10+ mana usable on turn 4 or 5.
Land ramp is slow as hell compared to sausage mana and you're delusional if you think otherwise.

>>52929349
But literally every single other deck can have better/faster mana acceleration.

>>52929363
You're ramping into an extra turn, 15/15 flyer beater and sac 6 permanents though.

>>52929363
Land based ramp is much slower than artifacts, which you can play outside of signets and talismans and the bad ones.
Artifact mana is literally the best ramp there is.

>>52929349
I know brown ramp is the fastest, I said I have a Kozilek deck. However, the difference between 10 and 15 mana is bigger than you think. Even with a decent hand there's a good chance your hand will be close to empty before you hit 15, so you need more draw. Furthermore, artifact ramp might be fast but it's far more vulnerable than land ramp, one vandalblast and you might as well scoop.

Really, there's a pretty huge difference between 10 and 15, in practice it's bigger than the difference between 5 and 10 mana.

>>52929331
you just cant beat it, the way the deck was built was just a bunch of ramp and got her out super early then the guy playing it would just destroy the one person at the table who might be able to do something about it. we tried ganging up on him and everything but nothing worked. the card just wins and there isnt really anything you can do about it

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/628070#paper

Opinions on what to add/remove? It's already extremely consistent

>>52929430
You can wipe the board or destroy the artifacts right? In general Emmy would come out on turns 4-7 with a decent hand and draw (looking at how fast my kozilek deck is), unless they get an insane metalworker start or a basalt + rings hands or something.

>>52929343
Here's a bunch of tech you might find useful:
Perilous Forays
Psychotrope Thallid
Utopia Mycon
Aura Shards
Illusionist's Bracers
Death's Presence
Mentor of the Meek
Sigil Captain
Mycoloth
Primal Vigor
Fecundity
Twilight Drover
Spike Weaver
Triskelion
Bane of Progress

I think you could live without the cards from Kaladesh/Aether Revolt.
Ninth Bridge Patrol can be swap out for Twilight Drover or Algae Garial/Lumberknot wich are much better imo
Verdurous Gearhulk doesn't do much, 4 counters aren't really impressive
Rishkar is fine but a Cryptholith Rite is much better at a cheaper cmc, much less vulnerable to removal and without the need to put +1/+1 to get dorks
Yahenni just doesn't do anything significant for the deck

>>52929543
the thing is the odds of your table being able to destroy all artifacts turn 4 is much smaller than your emmy

>>52929607
Turn 4 is really extraordinary though. I suggest you put together an emmy deck and playtest a few hands on tappedout, you'll see that turn 4 is the exception, not the rule.

>>52929626
its really isnt when your whole deck is dedicated to ramping it out even if it takes a turn extra its still stupidly strong. trust me my dude, its banned for a reason

>>52929675
I've played my kozilek deck more than 30 times and have goldfishes the few turns hundreds of times. It's not budget, it has mana crypt, the legal moxen, grim monolith, basically all fast mana you can think of, more than 25 mana rocks total and multiple ways to make infinite mana.

And yet, in general, you will not get to 15 mana to cast emrakul on turn 4. I've tested it, it's more like turn 6 or 7, with a pretry high chance of getting fucked due to emptying your hand of mana rocks, not reaching 15, and then having to topdeck.

You also need to dilute your deck with more draw as opposed to kozilek, since you won't be able to refill your hand when you reach 10 mana.

You say "trust me", but from what you're saying it's pretty obvious that you haven't played many games with monobrown.

>>52929534
Joraga Warcaller? You have 13 elves.
Bramblewood Paragon maybe

>>52929727
Metalworker?

>>52929546
Thanks anon, I really appreciate that!

Now, for a little explanation, on a few things:

>I like heroic intervention because, if my board gets wiped, I'm usually hated out of the game, and it can be spicy with the boardwipes I'm running, though it's more magical christmasland than practical.
>Verdurous Gearhulk looks cool, and is an 8/8 beater for 5. I could probably find something better, like Mycoloth, but goddamned giant mech robots get me off.
>Yahenni is a sac outlet, nothing more, nothing less, and assuming I hit a boardwipe, there are a lot of token decks in my meta and he can get big in a hurry. Seems like I'm dividing my resources between a combo deck, and the indestructible boardwipes deck I've been theory crafting for years now.

It's almost inexcusable that I'm not running Aura Shards, considering I have one, so I'll throw that in there right away. Primal vigor also looks like a budget doubling season, and I'm down for that shit.

Now, is there something I'm missing with Perilous Forays? I have a shitload of basic land ramp, and paying 1 mana + sacing something seems like an awfully high cost on a 3GG enchantment. Like a few things that you've listed, they all seem relatively high CMC, and I worry about fucking my curve if I don't have the gas, so to speak. I used to run Bane of Progress, but I found every time I could cast it, it would blow up all my combo peices, and since I'm extremely light on recursion, I wound up in more of a hole than not.

In my opinion, it feels like I'm running too much spot removal. I have good, high quality spot removal, but if I'm not playing 1v1, it's a dead draw 90% of the time.

>>52929890
Yup, in there. All fast mana is in there, even lotus petal and lotus bloom, since 1 mana from petal can make a pretty big difference, and otherwise it just feeds artifact synergies by staying on the battlefield.

Here, I'll play out what would be considered an amazing hand for kozilek.
3 wastes, sol ring, mana crypt, mana vault, hedron archive.

Turn 1: play a wastes, then solring, mana crypt and then hedron archive into vault.
Turn 2: cast kozilek

Now, in a kozilek deck, you draw 4 cards and immediately have more fuel for the midgame. But what happens if emmy is your commander? That's only 11 mana you have turn 2 if you play another wastes, and you only have 3 cards in your hand at that point, at least one of them land and probably more than that. So unless you drew into thran dynamo or something, which is honestly getting into magical christmasland territory, you're stuck for the next few turns, hoping to draw into another manarock.

And this is what I'd consider an amazing hand. The key here is that you can't refuel your hand while also making an impact on the board.

Even insane metalworker starts have a decent chance of not getting to 15, since that would require basically an entire hand of artifacts, but getting to 3 mana to cast metalworker is already going to cost you a few cards.

15 mana really is way more than 10, and the risk of emptying your hand and just not fetting there is pretty huge.

>>52916212
I was thinking of making a Cycle deck with this.

Thoughts?

I need oppressive shit and hate cards in B/R. HELP.

>>52930038
Feldon wants discard, so it wouldn't be that bad, a full on cycling tribal deck would need to be 5 color.

>>52930164
Everlasting Torment, Havoc Festival, Painful Quandary, Polluted Bonds, Underworld Dreams, Dictate of the Twin Gods, Mana Barbs, Wound Reflection.

Just go to EDHREC and look at Mogis tech.

Rolled 24 (1d26)

>>52919688

>>52929933
>Verdurous Gearhulk looks cool, and is an 8/8 beater for 5
In a 20 life format sure but in a multiplayer format with 40 life per player and all the powerful cards from every set of magic it's not that good. Go with Mycoloth, not too long ago i managed to get out a 160/160 Mycoloth, it didn't live through the turn but damn was it fun to see the faces of the other players.
>Now, is there something I'm missing with Perilous Forays?
Perilous Forays let's you tutor for lands with a basic land type wich means it can tutor for battle lands, shock lands and now the new amonkhet duals, it's pure gold for mana fixing in any token deck and it's repeatable ramp wich is always a nice mana sink especially with a commander that needs loads of mana to make armies of tokens and such
>I used to run Bane of Progress, but I found every time I could cast it, it would blow up all my combo peices, and since I'm extremely light on recursion, I wound up in more of a hole than not.
Bane of Progress is a card to use when you're losing and/or you are struggling against pillowfort/stax, i include it in any green deck i play since there are always situations in wich you either destroy those artifacts or enchantments or you lose and being a green creature it's easy to tutor or cheat on the field in a lot of ways, plus it ends up being a big dude too.

>>52930164
Adding to what the guy above me posted:
Oppression
Price of Glory
Burning Sands
Bottomless Pit
The Abyss
Lethal Vapors
Tainted Aether
Spreading Plague
Rain of Gore/Tainted Remedy
Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace

Ensnaring Bridge is also amazing if you're running Mogis due to all the discard you should have.

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Ulasht or nemata for saproling tokens + tribal?

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>>52916094

>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?

Rey segador bant scarecrow flicker

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I've got Thromok coming in the mail. I've got most of the EDHREC signature cards already. Anything fun to upgrade him?

Lads, cracked the conspiracy box.
No Leovold but I guess I'm making a Marchesa
Also foil Daretti

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>>52932077
Forgot pic

>>52932047
That new card Heart piercer manticore? Being able to cast fling from the grave might be good. Any sort of effects that you don't have to attack directly with thromok is good.

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>>52932047
I have a WBRG token deck with Thromok as one of the wincons.


If your goal is to spawn a bunch of tokens and then devour them, you could use Stalking vengeance and similar stuff.

>>52932047
I like altar of dementia and psychosis crawler on him. Drawing 49 carda from rishkar's expertise feels extra good when crawler also burns all your opponents for 49 when you do.

Honestly, just find a way to build him that you like. It's up to you if you want to focus more on going wide or more on thromok himself. Besides that you have loads of options for token producers. I went with the producers that are also creatures, gets real crazy with panharmonicon. Try to also get your removal stapled onto creatures. Reclamation sage, acidic slime, duplicant etc

>>52916094
>Build anything new that you're excited to play for the first time at the next game night?
Working on a Rhys tokens deck with the new Parallel lives. What I have is 119 cards right now.


Suggestions welcome. Not a fan of tutors in general. No inf combos. pls no bully
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/25-04-17-rhys-tokens-edh/

>build Niv-Mizzet
>cast Niv-Mizzet
>cast Ophidian Eye
>realize I confused Dracogenius and Firemind the whole time

So how much bleach do I need to drink?

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Post 'em time everyone.

>>52932226
can we get avacyn wipes list?

What is the "best" group hug deck, preferably with a win condition and not just hugging all day.

>>52932517
The one that's not actually a group hug but a pillowfort in disguise.

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>>52932226
>wanted to make Eldrazi tribal but not kozi 2.0 or Azusa
You didn't even consider pic related? He's objectively the best Eldrazi commander

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>>52932880
>not looping Ulamog and Kozilek for zero mana for days

>>52932880
>play game with frineds
>bring kruphix
>birds + mana crypt into t2 Kruphix
>take turn 3 off, float 6 mana
>turn 4, cast ulamog, lightning greaves it
>friend tells me he's never going to play against kruphix again

>>52932189
Assuming it's at 5.25% concentration i would advise to drink at least 3.6 grams of liquid bleach per kilogram of your weight. Start chugging.

>>52932344
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/avacyn-board-wipes/

>>52932880
I absolutely hate UG / UGx decks and everyone that uses them, and I will never use them myself.

>>52932985
That's nothing, i've seen games where the Kruphix player had well over 200 mana floating

>>52933022
if you want eldrazi, UG really is where it's at
Gotta get that bounty of the luxa

>>52933030
If only mana burn still existed so the rug could be pulled out from under that in an epic fashion.

>>52933133
If mana burn still existed when Kruphix was printed he would have had the "this mana does not cause mana burn" clause for sure.

>>52933163
I think it would be worded as "you don't lose life due to mana burn" like with Mox Lotus

>>52933030
I know it's nothing. I was just telling a pretty mild ulamog story which is the low end.

do your kruphix players not play doubling cube, that thing makes like 2348975 mana, not even hyperbole

>>52931729
That's fucking fantastic art

>>52933355
Yeah it was the first couple of rounds of doubling, he didn't had seedborn muse out yet

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>>52921126
My Negro The dream is conjurers closet panharmonicon and strionic resonator and ride the value train to victory the only thing is I wish you could play lands with him though

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>friend texts me about how he found a turn 1 win for protean hulk and its so unbeatable
>its the janky flash one only his idea is to grab black mike and walking ballista
>point out that beyond being janky as hell it requires 6-7 other cards and a sac outlet making it at most turn 2-3 and only possible in 4/5c
>10 minutes later gets all pissy going "I knew that" ans saying how he wasn't going to buy the combo anyways

Are any of your friends at the caliber of mine?

>>52919822
I bet he has a nice bush.

>>52933762
Just grab Viscera Seer and Phyrexian Delver to reanimate Hulk, sac again for Mike and Ballista.

Any of your friends just bad at Magic?

>>52933928
A mix of both. He gets upset when people put down these shitty combos he comes up with and thinks that ghave isn't combo, rest of my friends are a deckstacking spike who spends a worrisome amount on cards, a guy who ragequits at nearly everything and boardwipes for lulzs, and a tryhard.

>>52932226
dont have a pic since im at work but:


Rishkar's Counter Army: Ramp heavily by pumping dorks, a few big combos and finishers with craterhoof.

Athreos Death and Taxes: Big focus on enchantments and death and taxes effects.

Sram0s: Huge draw engine with countless 0 or 1 drop equipments that allow to ramp into big creatures with KCI and other stuff.

I really want to build Nheb, especially after playing the new Magic Origins story which for some reason made me really grow attached to the guy, but man he is not a very good commander card even though he seems like he was pretty obviously made for commander. Well, at least not for a really good deck. And that makes me sad.

>>52934002
I was referencing you.

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>>52934180
Well of course I'm terrible, I shitpost here after all. I do play competitive legacy with ease though and miracles was never a problem for me

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>>52932226
k

>>52934282
Do you have a list for that patron deck?

>>52934386
I'm afraid not, friend-o. There are a plethora of lists online though that all carry the general gist of the what the deck does. My list has a bit more stax effects than most other lists, however.

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>>52932226

>>52934685
>Hazezon
MY NIGGER

And skeleton ship seems amusing enough

>>52928873
Why

>>52921126
>Play Gonti
>Panharmonicon gets removed
>Closet gets removed

I'm still chasing that dream, I wish my meta didnt have so much spot removal.

>>52934685
Can you post your skeleship list?

>>52934986
sure senpai

casual skeleton tribal
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/spookdec/

>>52916094
Gwafa, i literally cant fucking wait

>>52935047
Aw shit, same here.
Mostly because my friends all hate Yasova but Bribery is Life.

>>52934888
Magic will always be about having more threats than they have answers. Big Mana black is bae

>>52932137
>not a fan of tutors in general.
Enjoy your 0 consistency.

>>52932226
I just have Sisay and black Glissa. Sisay is probably what you expect it to be, with a heavier focus on enchantments and some obscure cards to get the surprise blowout. Glissa is trash.

>>52933022
Faggot

>>52935449
I mean some people do enjoy that though. You have 100 cards in your deck and sometimes it's nice to see different ones every game.

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>>52935508
>a simic player calling a boros player a faggot

>>52936078
>implying I play simic
He's a faggot for hating a color combo, doesn't matter which one it is.

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>>52916212
Oh, would you look at that, 3 lands. That's enough to keep activating Feldon, isn't it?

You were running lots of mana rocks, right?

Side note for Feldon, I like the sac-outlets/steal game plan.

>>52936110
>stop disliking what I like

>>52936143
>hating someone because they play blue

>>52936078
>plays anything but blue with strong bias over Naya
>hates a color combination wich contains blue
I wonder if this hates is from little Timmy getting his poor creatures countered or anything

Wash Out and Inundate, y/n?

>>52936563
Do you really need worse cyclonic rift and even worse cyclonic rift?

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>>52916094
>Thread Question.
I did. With the okay from my playgroup, I'm building Genju of the Realm manlands. I was nervous at first, but after learning about the cheeky way you can stack Genju of the Fields, I became way more excited about it.

>>52936602
I'm desperate for board wipes and I already have the good ones in U/R

>>52936602
Did you really just ask this question in a format where people play 99 card singleton decks. As though they can just play 4 copies of the best board wipe. A worse cyclonic rift is not exactly a bad place to be. I probably wouldn't play Inundate but Wash Out is a fine card

>>52916094
Built werewolf tribal weeks ago, but with college finals I haven't had the time to play with it except in a single game. From what I can tell I probably need a few more removal/fight spells, but if nobody rifts I'm usually good. Also it gets shit on by pillow fort.

i build Tomorrow, Azami's familiar deck out of junk in my card box but i noticed it doesn't have any wincons outside of couple of largeish creatures. are there any good cheap blue wincons?

>>52938413
You could force people to draw out of their entire library.
Tomorrow replaces your draws so you never technically draw out and lose, so if you can get enough wheels and "each player draws X" you can draw everyone else out.

>>52938514
wouldn't that just end up with them drawing their wincon and then fucking me over

>>52938638
Not if you do it all in one turn.
Things like Doubling Cube, or other mana rock (Grim Monolith) + Power Artifact/Rings of Brighthearth are good for that.

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>>52932226
Currently building Wort, the Raidmother.

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Fictional game situation:
>I control Roon of the Hidden realm and Ashnod's Altar, nothing else
>opponent controls Marit Lage token
Question is: can I blink Marit Lage with Roon?

>>52938709
No, because you don't have the two mana to blink the Marit Lage token.

>>52938709
If you're asking if you can sac Roon to power the alter to power Roon, no.
If you're asking if you can target Marit Lage in the first place and can pay for Roon's ability some other way, yes.

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>>52938709

These(>>52938733, >>52938741) nerds are wrong.

>602.2. To activate an ability is to put it onto the stack and pay its costs, so that it will eventually resolve and have its effect. Only an object’s controller (or its owner, if it doesn’t have a controller) can activate its activated ability unless the object specifically says otherwise. Activating an ability follows the steps listed below, in order. If, at any point during the activation of an ability, a player is unable to comply with any of those steps, the activation is illegal; the game returns to the moment before that ability started to be activated (see rule 720, “Handling Illegal Actions”). Announcements and payments can’t be altered after they’ve been made.
>602.2a The player announces that he or she is activating the ability. If an activated ability is being activated from a hidden zone, the card that has that ability is revealed. That ability is created on the stack as an object that’s not a card. It becomes the topmost object on the stack. It has the text of the ability that created it, and no other characteristics. Its controller is the player who activated the ability. The ability remains on the stack until it’s countered, it resolves, or an effect moves it elsewhere.
>602.2b The remainder of the process for activating an ability is identical to the process for casting a spell listed in rules 601.2b–i. Those rules apply to activating an ability just as they apply to casting a spell. An activated ability’s analog to a spell’s mana cost (as referenced in rule 601.2f) is its activation cost.

>601.2f If the total cost includes a mana payment, the player then has a chance to activate mana abilities (see rule 605, “Mana Abilities”). Mana abilities must be activated before costs are paid.

And this happens once the ability is already on the stack, and therefore the sacrificing of Roon via Ashnod's Altar to pay for the activated ability is a legal action.

>>52938932
>Mana abilities must be activated before costs are paid.
you can't tap roon if you sacrificed him

>>52934282
Can I get an explanation of how mishra does anything worthwhile?

>>52939085
You tap him to pay for the tap first, then sac him to pay the 2 for the mana part, I guess?

>>52939128
You run Possibility storm, Blood Funnel, Planar Chaos, etc. Stack the triggers such that when you cast any artifact you let it get countered/exiled then resolve Mishra's ability allowing you to tutor it out of your graveyard or library. Personally I just run him because memes.

>>52939208
I like your reason better.

>>52939190
That almost reminds me of the Rules Lawyering bullshit of people with sac outlets blocking my Zurgo, and then sacrificing them after blockers block but before damage is dealt (or something like that). It was stupid gamy nonsense that basically neutered a major part of Zurgo.

>>52939547
I mean, it's a valid technique. Good way to keep your ass alive. Just be glad combat damage doesn't use the stack anymore

>>52939547
To be fair, that's how that works.
Combat Phase has 5 steps, and each step has time for each player to do stuff.
Start of Combat (triggers and combat effects start mostly)
Declare Attackers (active player declares attackers, then everyone has chance to do stuff)
Declare Blockers (defending player(s) declare blockers, then everyone has chance to do stuff)
Combat Damage (creatures deal First Strike / first Double Strike damage, then everyone has chance to do stuff, then creatures deal normal combat damage, then everyone has chance to do stuff)
End of Combat (triggers and combat effects end mostly)

If you're worried about people doing that kind of thing, run ability hosers like Linvala, Basandra, City of Solitude, Grand Abolisher, etc

>>52939190
That's retarded and does not work.
Amazing case of /tg/ being bad at magic once again.

>>52939547
You can sacrifice your blocking after blockers are declared but before the combat damage step. Calling it rules lawyering only shows that you don't know the rules and are mad that other people aren't as retarded as you are.

>>52939190
You can't pay the ability in part.

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>>52939190
>lemme pay half the ability now, and the other half when it's done resolving

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Holy shit why did I ignore this glorious maniac for so long

>stealing people's shit and making them kick the shit out of each other

>>52939638
I think the anon was commenting about it wasn't veey intuitive like how combat damage used to use the stack, not that he didn't understand it. You fucking goon.

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>considering saving up for a Workshop

Someone please convince me otherwise

>>52939837
>Someone please convince me otherwise
Don't do the thing you are considering, anon.

>>52939837
Dude, do you know how much bubblegum you could buy with that?

>>52939837
You should put that money in stocks or savings instead

New thread, friends!

>>52940100
>>52940100
>>52940100
>>52940100

>>52939730
I built a deck for him out of random red trash I had laying around and he is still fun. A very good comander, and as long as you can steal cards he seems to scale with the power other people play at.

>>52939837
You wont even feel a hollowness inside after you purchase your shop, proxy it if you need it that bad

>>52917721
Grixisgoodstuff.dec