/swg/ Star Wars General: Renposting Edition

Atris did nothing wrong.

Does anyone play X-wing in central PA?

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Reposting from last thread. I need ideas for silly/retarded military incidents set during the Rebellion era. Something on the level of the Emu War, Russian navy, or the USS O'Bannon's anti-submarine potatoes. Doesn't matter if it's the Rebels, Scum, or Imps getting the silly end of the stick, it just has to be something that makes Luigi Cadorna and Aaron Allston proud.

>>52913434
Does empire have any aces that are resistant to stress control? Eg- An ace who isn't scared of the Stresshog Y.

>>52914260
There is a story that springs to mind, that of Admiral Drommel and his Star Dreadnought, the Guardian. Decided to desert his post as leader of Imperial Center Defense Fleet to go warlord after Endor. Due to Hyperdrive failure, his ship was stranded for ten years. After a decade worth of repairs (shows the dedication of the crew by the way) the ship jumps right on a formidable NR fleet. The Admiral muttered something along the lines of "I'll die before I surrender" which was interpreted a bit too literally by his XO.

But yeah, legends post-endor is full of such massive screw-ups as a way to explain the sweeping success of the Rebellion, like that one Grand Admiral who sent his SSD right inside a star.

>>52914710
Either SF with FCS and Primed Thrusters gives precisely 0 fucks about stress.

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Dead thread, post Kylo

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what ships and vehicles from the clone wars ( or would not be a stretch to believe were around if not participating in ) have official stats? as in have a working stat profile that appears in an FFG publication I'm curious to know for a campaign idea.

>>52915950
The Aethersprites (sp?), the LAAT, the Y-Wing, the V-Wing, Headhunter, and the G9 Rigger all have stats. Lots of freighters are older than the clone wars.

>>52915950
Why do you need official stats?
Practically every CW ship has fan stats and they're usually better than FFG's

>>52916242
>they're usually better than FFG's
define "better" in this particular context.

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>>52914260
Sometimes a military is at its (best) worst when no one else is around and can just be complete fucking retards with no one else looking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cottage

Or, you introduce Italians into the mix...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Adwa
...that don't really have a sense of scale. Ambitious, but rubbish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Compass
But sometimes just rubbish.

Then sometimes things can get pretty dark in China and then hour later you're hungry again
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang

>>52916500
>Battle_of_Suiyang
WTF. Dang history you scary

>>52916500
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang
>9,600 soldier deaths
>20-30,000 civilians eaten

Sweet christ

>>52916308
More true to how the ships are represented in media, I suppose?

>>52917082

That's probably wrong - LFL approves what FFG publishes, so for the most part, their numbers are probably closest to whatever LF actually has for anything internally, unless they change their mind.

Though, some of the elements of a ship are fairly abstract, that kind of stuff probably goes over the heads at licensing. Silhouette for instance is really weird at times.

>>52917166
Lucasfilm doesn't approve FFG's fucking gear crunch anon, they just approve SOME of their fluff

>>52917335
All information printed in Star Wars media is approved by LSG anon.

Even non-canon productions like TOR.

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>>52916500
>Battle of Suiyang
After seeing all the webms of life in China that have been going around other boards, I'm somehow not surprised by this. Fucking China.

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>>52914729
Those tend to be the worst parts of post-Endor Legends as far as the GCW/ICW goes. Not all of it is bad but some of it is fucking nonsensical, and usually skewed in favor of the Rebels/Republic.

The Essential Guide to Warfare has a section where a section of Jan Dodonna's Y-Wings destroy three Imperial I star destroyers. Somehow. The literal non-buzzword cuckold author's excuse is "Dodonna outsmarted them."

>mfw

I'm not a hardcore Empire apologist, but it does piss me off that a few of the Legends authors were dead set on writing the Imperials getting shit on in the dumbest ways possible to further their stories/Rebel fanwanking.

>>52917682
The warlord era stuff where warlords blew gigantic numbers of ships up in giant battles seemed like enough to explain most of it without the imperials being genuinely idiotic, just two sides who are both believers in the Decisive Battle throwing their whole fleets into one with predictable casualties
There probably should have been more mass defections to the NR by ex-IN ships, though

>>52917682
I know this feel. There's not enough stuff, though there's still some, that doesn't just wank over the Rebs. Make the Imperials a threat, and then the victory is meaningful.

5 mon cal cruisers destroying 2 ISDs while losing 2 of their own in a titanic battle... that sort of thing.

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>>52917002
Yeah, in the battle of the marshes during the Iran-Iraq war was fairly gristly as well.
The Iranians had 1000's of troops assaulting the Iraqi's dug in positions, without any air or much artillery support, after getting pushed back the Iraqi's went on the offensive and found they couldn't do much because its a fucking swamp and tanks don't work very well in swamps.
So a massive cock fight goes on for months with neither side getting anywhere, 1000's of Iranians get killed by mustard gas, sarin, artillery and air strikes, but in some brilliant spark of lunacy the Iraqis run cables into the swamp and then run 1000's of volts through them to electrocute anyone running around in there. Which actually doesn't really dissuade the Iranians as they still die by the 1000's.

The Iraqis want roads into the swamps, but when all you've got is sand, that's not going to happen. So every morning they send barges out into the swamps for the "morning road detail"
Fill up their barges with dead Iranians, lay them 5 x 5 like logs and about 5 deep, with layers of sand and anything else they can dump on them to start building assault roads into the swamps so they can eventually get their armour into the area and mop up the last pockets of resistance.

That and other fun facts about Iraq don't get much publicity, but when I was going in there in 2003, wasn't exactly a comfortable thought and kind of glad they sent us far away from the marsh areas.

>>52917568
Its basically a society like no other and not one you want to be a part of

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>>52914260
>>52914729
>>52916500
>>52917058
Gentlemen, I present to you one of the most lopsided battles in military history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Omdurman

>mfw an army of brits and egyptians is outnumbered 3-1 in total by a force of mahdist rebels
>mfw lord kitchener tells the gyptians to stay back cuz the brits will handle this
>mfw 8,000 british destroy an army of 52,000 sudanis
>mfw at the start of the battle the 21st Lancers, 400 cavalry, charged and repelled an attack of 2,500 sudani warriors supported by 8,000 sudani cavalry with minimal losses
>mfw victorian crosses handed out to them
>mfw the sudani general then decides his army can overwhelm the brit lines
>mfw his army is annihilated in a few hours

>>52917896
Rebel scum.

>>52917360
This anon is correct. Though LSG definitely gives some leeway for stats.

Which ex-imperials would the (let's say legends, non-retarded) NR be most interested in hunting down? Say in the 6-9ABY era?
My players are all rebel-leaning but want to try a bounty hunter campaign, and I was just reading The Odessa File, so I'm thinking of having them hunting down various bad imperial motherfuckers for money for the NR

>>52917896
>>52918056
I wanna see a battle like this. It'd be perfect for either a Rebel or Imperial campaign alike, but it'd also be cool just for the neutral players to watch in an Edge game.

They meet either a Rebel general who insists he has 52,000 of the Rebellion's best men with him and is going to overrun some pathetically small force of Imperials through good ol' fashioned brute force, or they meet the Imperial general who says "52,000, eh? They'll need more men." Johnny Reb then charges, confidant his hordes of infantry and light tanks will be enough.

Then the players from afar on the planet see the fireworks, and the next day a line of 5,000 Rebel prisoners being carted off while the Imperial generals drink tea and praise Emperor Sheev Victoria for their gracious victory over these uncivilized cretins.

>>52916500
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Compass
>133,298 Italians were captured by ~35,000 Allied troops
What the shit? How does capturing that many enemies even work logistically?

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang
>20,000-30,000 civilians were eaten
If something like this started happening in a game and an NPC started giving a speech to his troops about how he was going to feed them his concubine I'd assume the GM was taking the group into his gory cannibalistic realm then nope right the fuck out.

>>52918251
I honestly doubt they look at any of the crunch at all, they just make sure the fluff isn't out of line

>>52918269
Isard, Zsinj, Melvar, Thrawn, Baron Fel, Pellaeon, Maarek Stele, Turr Phennir, Daala, General Veers, Moff Disra, Moff Dunhausen, Moff Thistleborn, Moff Muzzer, to name a few potential targets.

>>52918285
The sad thing about China in those times is thanks to its fuckhuge population even back then civilians were considered wholly expendable, and when army cannibalism occurred, it often wasn't forced or violent. Many considered it a great honor to be fed to their army, which is both really disturbing and really sad to think about.

>>52918300
>I honestly doubt they look at any of the crunch at all, they just make sure the fluff isn't out of line
well one would hope that the crunch is reflective of the fluff.

>>52918269
COMPNOR high-ranking types would probably be at the head of the list, then major war criminals. I could also see the NR giving out bounties for people who they think could cause major trouble should they turn warlord, so they want them taken in before that happens
They'd also be pretty big on "alive only" bounties, keep that in mind
You'd probably also see a surprising number of ISB and ImpInt torturers on the list, not necessarily straight government bounties, but people tend to take the existence of those sorts personally, so something like the Alliance Legion going "hey, here's a list of those sorts we found on the lusankya, and we've passed the hat around and gathered up two hundred million credits to have them all killed" might be a thing, be a good steady stream of employment when between interesting big name bounties

>>52918269
For a starting group of bounty hunters, Imperial loyalists would probably be first on the list. The NR treated them like absolute shit in post-Endor EU.

After you cut your teeth on that, probably petty officers or low-scale naval officers, and then basically work your way up.

The Grand Admirals and specific elite forces of the Imperial Military were the ultimate targets, but an independent group of Bounty Hunters isn't going to pose a threat to them in the slightest.

As the NR also faced political turmoil and infighting, you may get some corrupt NR officials wanting the bounty hunters to act more as hitmen and kill off their rivals. Mon Mothma as others have pointed out before was particularly bad about rivalries and people disagreeing with her ideas or methods, so she may be the first to hire the hunters to get rid of the "less desirable" members of the NR.

Or maybe someone pays you to take down Mothma herself.

As you said your players are rebel-leaning, it'll depend on how rebel-leaning they are in this particular campaign. They may even be disenfranchised with the NR despite supporting the Rebels, as the NR definitely turned out different in many ways than what the AtRtR claimed it would, sometimes for worse.

>>52918551
Either way, if you're using Legends NR, it's very much ripe for political intrigue and backstabbery on both the Republic and Imperial side of things, AKA a freelance bounty hunter's paradise. Someone rich always wants someone dead.

>>52918551
>>52918572

Or capture. Capturing would probably land even more credits.

>>52918269
I pitched this exact premise to /co/ a few years asgo in relation to Sir Christopher's own past as a post-WW2 nazi-hunter.

The main targets depending on what sort of game you want to run:

1. The big names heading various departments and fleets. Haul them all in for Space Nuremberg and expose the true extent of the Empire's crimes. >>52918329

2. Personnel, documents and prototypes relating to various superweapons programmes and other cutting edge tech. Have NR factions squablle for control as some want to destroy the files and prosecute thoose who built the DSII, others who want to recruit Imperial scientists and repurpose Imp-tech to defend the fledging state in an uncertain galaxy.

3.People a few rungs down from the top, but who participated in or did nothing to stop Imp atrocities. Targets include those who committed heinous crimes, those who hurt specific factions or species within the NR that now seek justice, former soldiers and scientists too dangerous and with too much blood on their hands to allow new lives as ronin on the Outer Rim.

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>>52918642
>the Empire
>committed numerous atrocities

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Rev up those bingo cards, boys.

>>52918642
>expose the true extent of the Empire's crimes.
The Empire did nothing wrong. Alderaan was a valid military target.

>>52918725
>homebase of rebels
>promoting instability and funding terrorism
>spreading treason
They shouldn't have been DSed but they should have been occupied and garrisoned.

>>52913612
>>Atris

Atris' corrupted goal was one of complete annihilation for any being remotely reliant on the force to exist.

>Muh Alderaan
>Forgetting about Anoat
>Antar
>Firrerre
>Bosph
>Caamas
>Binjai-Tin
>Lasan
>Gholondreine-β
>Telfrey
>Ghorman
>Sulon
>Honoghr
>At least one Kashyyyk massacre
>Enslavement of Wookiees
>Westhills, Lothal if nucanon

>>52918275

52k is a pretty large army for the Rebellion to even field, let alone throw away for nothing.
Other way round would work for numbers, but less likely to work for tech/materiel levels.

>>52918951
>Caamas
That one was sheev privately, to be fair.
Rest of the list is legit, though

>>52914260
That's pretty much what the Battle of Yavin was.

>the most advanced battle station in the galaxy, >could carry and deploy thousands of fighters, and hundreds of thousand of troops
>enough firepower to obliterate whole planets
>gets blown up by some literally who dirt farmer, who up until that point, had never even flown anything that was space worthy

>>52916234
and as for capitol ships?

>>52918951
>almost all occurring in bad/obscure novels no one liked

>>52918834
I think DSing them was overkill, but Alderaan was still complete scum. "Neutral" my ass. It's like if Switzerland started dropping bombs on major cities across Europe while it was at war with an outside party, then everyone gets shocked and cries foul when Europe retaliates and they claim "we dindu nuffin we neutral bro!"

Sure destroying them outright was too much, but Alderaan was far from neutral and was a perfectly valid hostile target.

>>52919272
>I shall discount these non-film sources but happy accept my own!!!

>>52919302

That's Empire apologist 101, anon.

>>52919235
Dreadnaught-class cruisers and victories were canonically very big parts of the republic navy in that era

>>52919319
I'm a self admitted Imperialfag, but the films are extremely biased towards the rebels.

>>52919302
>>52919319
>>52919349
Not to mention a good chunk of Legends is too.

I accept the Empire did bad stuff but bullshit like a few Y-Wings blowing up multiple SDs and the Empire being LiteralHitler for no reason other than plot convenience is stuff I will never accept.

>>52919349

Sure, but you cant just say "these bits of canon I like, and they just happen to be the ones that say X was evil and the Empire was justified, and that in Y instance the Empire did good stuff!" and then simultaneously say "Those books where the Empire did unambiguously evil things arent very good so ignore them."

Like, you cant just pick and choose which bits of the EU are canon and which arent.
It's either all canon or all not canon.

Sure, you can have bits you prefer - and in your own ttrpg campaigns, you can run it however you like - but in a conversation about the Star Wars universe, you cant really just pick and choose on a whim.

>>52919349
>The films are biased towards the good guys i.e. The Protagonists
>To the point of putting EVIL GALACTIC EMPIRE in the opening crawl

Colour me fucking shocked.

>>52919446
Hey, I'm not saying it's bad or wrong, just annoying.

>>52919426
Actually, no, people have been picking and choosing EU canon for decades. So much of it varies so wildly in quality and/or contradicts other things that it would make no sense to say all-or-none when it comes to canon. Even Lucas rarely gave a damn when it came to EU canon and just made a barebones list of canon rankings that most fans did and do ignore as far as Legends go.

Granted, if you're discussing all of Star Wars EU from the point of EU. then yeah, you can't just say "haha it's not canon cuz i say so", but on a personal basis, you don't have to accept all of it or none of it as canon.

Enough people ignore the canonicity Jedi Prince (aside from Dark Memeings) and Force Unleashed for example and for good reason.

>>52919446
A line written by this exact same man, mind you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-SaMu8k3w

You don't have to be a Lucas basher to admit that sometimes he writes or says very dumb or odd things that later turn out to be untrue.

>>52919693
So what I'm getting from this discussion is that since Lucas is involved in Star Wars everything is suspect and nothing not even the big yellow letters from God are trustworthy?

Good news everyone lightsabres are powered by orphan tears and Yoda was a Sith Lord.

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>another empire is the good/bad guys argument

>>52919693

Well yeah, exactly - on a personal basiss you can say 'damn that shit sucks'.

But when discussing the EU at large, picking and choosing which bits you like makes you look like a faglord.

Where do I start to run a Star Wars game? or play but that's probably a pipe dream at this point. As it stands, mostly I play 5E but I REALLY want to do star wars stuff.

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>>52919446
>>52919693
>>52919753
I've noticed something very weird about this.

So the argument of the Title Crawl is always brought up when these arguments start.

The most common argument is "Episode IV's title crawl calls them evil, therefore they are."

The most common counter-argument is "Episode III's title crawl says there are heroes on both sides, which is never shown and/or false."

To counter the initial argument #1, The Evil Galactic Empire, posters point to novelizations or EU content that show the Empire as less-evil, or at the very least make events like Alderaan seem less black-and-white, all in the argument that the Empire is not wholly evil.

These are countered with "Those aren't canon," or "If it contradicts the movies, they aren't canon."

The counter-argument to argument #2 is "In the novelizations or EU content/Clone Wars show there are heroes on the Separatist side who aren't evil."

Now, my counter-argument to the counter-argument is this:

If the Empire supporters aren't allowed to use outside-of-film material to support their argument that Episode IV's title crawl is wrong, how come non-Empire supporters /are/ allowed to use outside-of-film material to support their argument that Episode III's title crawl isn't wrong?

Aside from Alderaan (and that's been argued anyway), the Empire does nothing truly 'evil' throughout the entire original trilogy, and in Episode II and III the Separatists never do anything that could truly be considered "heroic."

I might be getting too autistically intricate here but I'm trying to say as neutrally as possible that there is apparently some obvious bias, unfair bias, against the Empire side on the Title Crawl debate.[./spoiler]

>>52919849
Try the FFG system

>>52919868
What does that stand for? Google is just turning up what looks like a card game?

>>52919860
The Institution of the Empire is evil, that doesn't mean that there aren't good people who live in it, or even serve in it.

>>52919890
Fantasy Flight Games
Its three different core books Force and destiny is for force users
edge of the empire is for smugglers/scum
age of rebellion is for rebels
they all work together

>>52919904
By "the institution of the Empire is evil", could you please explain?

>>52919771

See, I believe these discussions can go somewhere and actually be entertaining so long as people remain civil and don't start shitposting the opposing side.

>>52919890
The system is broken into 3 core books, Edge of the Empire (deals more with scum and outer rim characters), Age of Rebellion (focus on Rebellion characters, or Imperials if you flip the Duty charts) and Force and Destiny (Jedi/Force Stuff)

>>52919860
Better question why must you always fall back on "Okay so apart from that one time with the needless deaths of billions, what have they actually done wrong?"?

They seized control of Cloud City for one, "But muh harbouring rebels" you stabbed them in the back first in one of the more famous lines in film history.


The real answer is of course that they totally separate arguments and the Yellow Text is God.

>>52919953
>>52919936
Okay, I'll give it a shot. I'm hoping to run something on roll20 and convince my DM to run something for me to play a storm trooper in.

I LOVE STAR WARS.

>>52919986
You got discord? I'd be hyped to play if you ran something.

>>52919956
This again brings up the logical fallacy of "Yellow Text = God" though, and it completely stifles creativity if you go about it with this all-or-nothing manner.

It sounds like the basic argument is "if it contradicts the film then it isn't canon", and if that is taken to the most absolute extreme, then that means nothing canon/EU can ever portray the Empire as anything less than pure evil, and everything in canon/EU can portray the Separatists as heroes and be fine.

All because of a single line of Yellow Text for both sides.

It's almost insane that you think those single lines of text should have absolute authority over all creative works ever made for Star Wars.

I think that the general idea of not contradicting movies is good, but common sense should take place of the Yellow Text. It'd be stupid to make a piece of canon that says all of Episode IV was a dream and Luke is actually Yoda and Han is gay for Greedo and Yoda is a living Death Star and other nonsense, that completely contradicts the movies and would be horribly unacceptable.

But saying the Empire isn't necessarily evil doesn't contradict the films, especially since the Empire is never shown doing a single evil act outside of Alderaan, and that is an argument in and of itself.

My argument, the point I'm focusing on, is saying Yellow Text Is God is basically what Constitutionalism was in the early days of the U.S., viewing it as the word of god and that if it didn't say you could do something you couldn't ever do it.

In this case it totally would restrict creativity and what works can do if all of canon must be based on the Title Crawls, even above the actual events of the movies.

>>52920032
Yeah, I'll come back here before I do it. Probably a lot, I'm not a star wars lore master, but man do I want to play.

>>52919944
>could you please explain?
Sure.

The Empire is a government that if pure of corruption and not lead by an evil space wizard sadist could work for you if you're okay with sacrificing freedom for order.

However the Empire IS lead by an evil space dick and is corrupt so what happens is you have a government against slavery and slavers, but enslaving sentient beings, you have a government that takes planets and grinds them to a pulp with little regard for the ecosystem or native population because the Empire needs the Doonium or Kyber, you have the core world's actively taking political, social and economic control of the Empire, leaving out the Mid and Outer Rim Imperial Planets (which also Spurs on the non-human racism). You get commended and awarded for being a dick.

The Empire, like many governmental archetypes are good on paper, but in practice as were shown the Empire is Institutionally evil.

>>52920074
Well I don't come here much, so please just message me on discord if you have it. Wouldn't mind hashing out campaign ideas and stuff either,
ᵀᵒᵃˢᵗᶦᵉ#9609

>>52920048
>and it completely stifles creativity if you go about it with this all-or-nothing manner.
But that isn't a debate. Lucas, by word of God and creator of the story which has strict rules of Canon, said they were evil.

Don't be a Luther anon, it won't end well.

>>52920159
And he also said repeatedly that Jar Jar was the key to his films.

Is that also lore from the Word of God?

>>52920099
As far as the corruption goes, it wasn't as bad as the Republic, and even at its most extreme height it was on-par with it.

Your view of Palpatine of course depends on the material you draw from. Some EU works made him out to be a sadistic menace who only wanted power and to be evil, while others made him out to be power-loving but with good intentions/end-justifies-the-means mentality and possible foresight of the Vong.

Personally, I think he was a mix of both. Loved power, kinda evil, but had some good intentions.

The Empire did enact what could be akin to slavery of the Wookiees and Geonosians, though its slavery was not based on private ownership, rather judicial punishment and forced labor for certain crimes that weren't very well defined. That is far different from enslaving sentient beings willy-nilly.

Some worlds, yes, the Empire stripped bare for resources, though they also terraformed several worlds and colonized many others, and didn't do anything of the sort to them. They just made new places to live and build. I think this issue is a double-edged sword, in that case.

In the Republic, the Core took control of all those things as well, though the effect was slightly lessened with the weakened power of the Imperial Senate. There were enough strong positions of power in the other Rims that progress and prosperity did begin to seep outward, but the Empire was around for 2 and a half decades, while the disparity and Core-bias of the Republic was around for a millennia.

As for freedom over order, that again depends on one's personal outlook. Security with Restriction, or Uncertainty with Freedom.

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Can we not hve this argument yet again?

Everyone knows that the literal canon phrasing says the empire is evil.
Ignore the one fucking guy who is obsessed with jerking off the Empire every thread because otherwise it just degenerates into yet another fucking argument.

Can we PLEASE just fucking move on as a group?

>>52920274
>Jar Jar was the key to his films.
>He doesn't know Lucas is autistic and bad at humor
That said, Jar Jar pretty much does allow the Emperor to take power

Here the thing. I'm not using EU material, it ain't Canon. Canon states the Empire is evil and all the material shows that the institution, not necessarily the people, but the institution is evil.

>>52920302
I don't think it's impossible to debate, as there have been good arguments made as to why the Title Crawls or what Lucas says aren't always 100% accurate.

To say hell with it because the Title Crawl says something is to me a bit too eager to block off constructive discussion or creative thinking on the topic.

>>52920302
Yes Governor, I promise not to rise to the bait any longer.

>>52920334
>Canon shows that it's evil

Nothing except Alderaan occurs in the movies that indicates the Empire as a whole system is at all evil.

If you think Alderaan wasn't evil, alright, and even if you think it was, the order to destroy the planet in the movie was given by a single man out of countless trillions in the Empire.

This is without getting into any of the EU content often brought up when debating the morality of Alderaan's destruction either. 100% by-the-movies, Alderaan was done by one man, and no one else aside from Vader is shown doing even a single evil act in the movies.

Even Palpatine for all his talk about embracing hatred doesn't do a single evil thing. Villainous maybe, like shocking the protagonist with lightning, but the Big Bad of the whole trilogy doesn't do anything evil at all in the film itself.

>>52920302
Sure, MON MOTHMA.

>>52920336

I'd agree, except it literally always just devolves into >implying alderaan didnt deserve it, >implying the destruction of alderaan wasnt a good thing, >implying slavery of aliens is bad
Just in far more words, and far more time than I just took to boil it down for you.

Shit's fucking obnoxious, and goes literally nowhere, ever.

Can we just post cool spaceships and talk about our favourite FFG character concepts?

>>52920357
>>52920421
Thanks lads, 5 New Republic credits have been deposited into your accounts.

>>52920392
>villainous
>using black magic to fuck up the hero
>not evil

>>52920434
>favourite FFG character concepts
Anyone got story's of their recent sessions?

I could give a little bit of a story time about Luck Squadron

>>52920440
>using black magic

Other Jedi are shown using lightning in the EU.

Luke even uses Choke in the movies, which Vader is shown using extensively.

Point is null there.

>>52920455
>missing the symbolism of Luke in RotJ
Dude is wearing all black and has a mechanical hand - they even draw a straight comparison to it in the climactic scene of the movie, at which point his inner hero comes out along with his white undershirt.

Not even remotely subtle.

Regarding the EU lightning, that was established as a different power altogether and the Jedi were STILL not happy about the guy using it.

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>>52920452

My party have got up to some bullshit.

They had a three-party vault break-in which was pretty fun.
Ended up with thousands of credits of jewels and a shiny new z-95 headhunter stolen, and half a casino totally levelled.

It was a fun few sessions.

>>52920549
Why does Lando look like he's just sobbing into his hands
That's hilarious

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>>52920455
The whole point of RotJ is that the Emperor believes Luke is one good shakedown from falling to the Dark Side. Aside from being blind to the power of familial love, his foresight isn't wrong. The choke is part of setting that tone of Luke walking a razor's edge along this phase of his journey. Shit, he spends the whole movie dressed in black for extra heavy symbolism to boot.

"Muh EU lightning" is hardly relevant, because it's no surprise that authors looking for zingy cool factor - without considering the subtlety of a balanced Force user - are going to start handing out magic lightning and various other Evocation-school powers. That hardly makes their use by well-adjusted individuals an element of actual canon.

>>52920585

Well i mean, he's watching one of his oldest friends die in an about-to-explode ship, so I guess it hit him really hard.

>>52920530
Kyle Katarn even outside of the games uses Force Lightning, and it's said to be Force Lightning.

>>52920585
>NOT A SCRATCH, HE SAID

>>52920651
And a huge point of his story is that he damn near fell to the dark side before he got pulled back by Jan and others.

Him using Force lightning is a part of that.

>>52920651
And Kyle Katarn is a fucking video game character who they can throw whatever the fuck they want on to

>>52919860
>the Empire does nothing truly 'evil' throughout the entire original trilogy
Killing luke's aunt and uncle, unarmed civillians, over a two droids,
also, clone wars and rebels are cannon, and there are a few parts where it shows the rebels to not always be morally superior,

>>52920653
I have altered the deal.
Pray I do not alter it any further.

>>52920032
>>52920124

You know there's a star wars general discord, right? not that anyone's talked in it in months...
I guess everyone forgot about.

>>52920434

If I can ever get my group to do Star Wars again, I have a bounty hunter rolled up, that only as good as she is because she's tapping into the force to find targets.

>>52920938

Im working on a similar thing currently, a sort of roving trader who manages to make as good a living as he does by being force sensitive.
He doesnt even realise, just thinks hes being persuasive.

>>52920856
There is? Do you have a link?

I'll start one myself if the old one is defunct.

>>52921155

https://(name of program here).gg/GRabW

good for a half hour

>>52920856

Wait, there is?
Goddamn.


It'd just be empire shitposting, wouldnt it.

Working on a rival rebel cell for my upcoming AoR Game. Idea is they work a few missions where they run into it's commander where he gets more and more extreme before the rebel alliance lists him as rogue and the player characters are tasked with bringing him and his cell down. I can't decide on his backstory quite yet. there are two paths i'm considering, Both start at being a native Alderannian(?) Alderani(?)
One, he didn't see the pacification of his planet something to be proud of in the face of the rise of the empire, and went off to join the rebellion. At some point he falls under the command of Saw Guererra, learns basics of guerilla fighting, but still isn't comfortable with his extremeness and leaves his cell when he breaks with the alliance. Gets back with the alliance, is given command of his own cell, and then the scariff raid happens, he is unnerved by the death of his mentor, though understands his tactics were part of his downfall. before he can process this, his homeworld is destroyed and is unhinged completely. each mission is carried out more radically and extremely than the last.
Second path is Junior Imperial officer who defects after his homeworld is destroyed given a command because the rebel alliance is in need of officers, and starts out radical, knowing the empire's weakest points from his work within it.
Thoughts?

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First time player of the FFG rpg game, making my character right now and I cant figure out Obligation/Duty? Anyone care to explain it to me?

>>52921297
The slow slip rogue is good.
Make sure you have your rebels work with him for at least a mission to have rapport with him and understand a little about him.
Double make sure every action is justified. Even though they may hurt innocents, every target has a purpose and is worth it.

>>52921369

Duty is basically a resource you gain for doing shit and then expend to get nice stuff.

So you might be an ace who works up duty by blowing up TIEs - you expend it to get new gear from Alliance command, maybe a souped up fighter or better astromech.

Obligation is basically the reverse - the more you have the worse it is. It basically just represents whatever... well, obligations your character has.
Bad debts for example - they can come up and bite you on the ass, but you can funnel money to pay them off down the line.

>>52921369
It's sort of like story points anon.

The more obligation you have the more you owe either to a person or to society.

Duty is rewarded for doing good deeds within your fighting force

>>52920452
>story time about Luck Squadron
Sure anon, better than nothing

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>>52921377
>make every action justified
>justified
>even if innocents are hurt

>but alderaan isn't justified
>despite having a purpose
>and being worth it

>>52921369
In simplest terms, it's stuff your character has to duty or has a responsibility to do.

Obligation can be pretty much anything. Drug addiction is even one of them, because your character needs to get his fix or bad shit happens. Bounties, crimes, owing favors, debts, etc. can be Obligation.

Duty is military obligation. Depending on your flavor of campaign, it's whatever you do to keep the war effort going. Blowing up TIEs as a Rebel pilot (Air Superiority), rooting out Rebel cells (Infiltration), and generally contributing to your side's war gives you Duty. Unlike Obligation, a lot of Duty is a good thing. The more Duty you have, the more resources you can acquire from your faction.

>>52921369

I know obligation pretty well, almost nothing about duty. But from what I understand, duty factors same way as obligation.

EotE core book, page 40, table 2-2. Lists starting obligation, per character, based on party size. that's what character starts with. Per table 2-3 character can start with 5 or 10 more, in exchange for more starting xp or credits. The popular option is XP, so you can maybe get another point of ability.

the drawback to obligation is that, well, it's an obligation. you take all the obligations for the party, add them up on a d100 table, and roll before each session. if it lands on an obligation, that comes in session for that character. Said character also is stressed out, due to crimeboss or memories or bounty hunters, etc.

There's also a table in back of book where more obligation = easier to move around in criminal underbelly, and less obligation = not getting the eye from every passing customs inspector and LEO.

>>52921377
Yeah, was planned on. First mission I'm running is primlean hall out of the back of the core book. He was gonna be in charge of whatever ship meets them out of hyperspace. Hoping my players make a deal with the second in command of the imperial freighter after gunning down the captain to allow the crew to surrender and escape unharmed in escape pods. Should I have him shoot the escape pods, or just send down teams in uwings to capture them?

>>52921485
>Implying Alderan wasn't justified

But seriously, I'm just saying that there should never be senseless violence. this is a trained and dangerous rebel. He has plans and goals.

>>52921641
Thats tough. Both are very good decisions, as you flesh out the character one should shine through.
Personally, I like sending in the u-wing teams. Capture and probably torture/info gathering has more purpose, while still getting rid of the imps.
If your players do agree with his choice/don't make a deal, don't be a afraid to try to indoctrinate them into the group. Slowly pull them into crazier and crazier missions just to see how far they will push it.

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>It's another Imperial dindu nuffin thread
Oh joy.

According to WEG, the rebels had Letters of Marque, did the imperials have something similar? Modified Imperial peacekeeping certificates?

Also are Sector Rangers more Interpol, Space ATF, or Space FBI? what do they do besides having broad authority to pursue criminals? Do they go after rebels?

>>52914260
Don't forget the Russian Second Pacific Squadron!

>>52919860
IIRC, TCW is considered Disney canon. And anyone trying to claim that Alderaan wasn't black and white is either an idiot or themselves evil.

>>52922296
>Modified Imperial peacekeeping certificates?
Does Bounty Hunter Guild membership count?

>>52920392
>Alderaan was done by one man
No.

One man gave the order. An unclear number of men crewed the superlaser that actually blew up the planet. Backing them up were the multitudes of Imperial military forces who would have retaliated against the superlaser crew had they not blown up the planet, which has to have numbered in the thousands at least. And then we have everyone who approved of and funded a planet-destroying superweapon in the first place. Guilt is not so easily distilled.

>>52922719
TCW is, just like the films, technically a part of both canon and Legends continuities - even though a lot of people like to cut TCW out of Legends, there's a number of books and comics (and a couple of games) that came out of the TCW multimedia project.

>>52922795
>Does Bounty Hunter Guild membership count?
Imperial peacekeeping certificates were authorizations given to Guild BHs as an authorization to operate in imperial space.

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What do you guys think of the Verpine Headband item in the FFG rpg? Is it a worthwhile item or does it not have its uses?

>>52922296
After Yavin they had some privateers to raid the new republic
Sector Rangers are basically spess FBI, they can pursue anyone, anywhere. During the Empire they would have chased rebels if the opportunity came up, but mostly that would have come under various Imperial departments

>>52922871
It's pretty good for staying in the fight if you're high WT and low ST in a strain intensive build.

>>52923051
What if I am a mechanic/pilot droid? Will it still be useful for me or should I not get it?

>>52923081
Do you drop below or near your ST often during piloting? But for 500 credits, it's not a bad pick-up even if you only use it once or twice a campaign. The bond gauntlets are potentially good pickup for your mechanics.

>>52922719
It's significantly greyer in the Expanded Universe. Alderaan was doing some extremely nasty things to the Empire on a large scale. It wasn't just a few Rebel cells, it was their entire government and possibly even half their population. Loyalists were getting treated poorly at times and they were never informed of their government's allegiance. They also didn't just support the Rebellion vocally, they supplied arms and munitions - that were killing Imperial servicemen -, ships and maps, and sanctuaries for Rebel forces abroad and escaped prisoners of the Empire.

It definitely isn't all that reasonable to blow up the whole planet because of this, but it definitely makes it clear that Alderaan was by no means neutral, peaceful, or hands-off in galactic politics. Destroying them was too much, as an occupation or invasion would've sufficed had it not been for the planetary defenses, which Vader called as strong as any in the Core Worlds. Despite that, while something should've been attempted before planetary annihilation, Alderaan was a 100% valid military target and did indeed deserve retribution from the Empire just as any other military opponent would from attacking another.

>>52922820
So you're saying that the entire crew of the Death Star should've rebelled against Tarkin, the researchers and builders who worked on it should've rebelled, and taxpayers should've rebelled for funding it, otherwise they're all guilty and of equal blame to Tarkin? Guilt by association makes sense sometimes anon, but you're just being ridiculous.

>>52923495
See, I might have given a shit about some of this if the Emperor hadn't effectively declared war on everyone in the galaxy who desired some semblance of freedom. A person in the Star Wars universe who defended the Empire pursuing the war at all would be no better than a person IRL defending Operation Barbarossa.

>>52923529
You also would have a point if it weren't for the fact that both Legends and NuCanon show that the average Imperial citizen wasn't too bad off in the Empire. Most of them weren't even affected much at all by Palpatine's rise to power and the New Order. At most the journalism and galactic media they received became more censored, but the rights and opportunities for citizens themselves didn't get restricted much, and a lot of them they weren't restricted at all. Some were even happier, as crime dropped sharply from the Mid Rim inward, and Imperial manufacturing and colonization projects, as well as the expansion of research and industry, provided droves of people new jobs. I won't say it was perfect by any means, but life might've been a little better than in the Republic, and it was certainly not some kind of dystopian slavery Orwell-on-steroids nightmare for the average citizen.

>>52923525
As guilty? Maybe not. But guilty of something, yes (though not taxpayers so much, since the project was a secret). And some of the Death Star crew did, in fact, rebel.

>>52923529
>>52923588
It should also be pointed out that in the beginning the AtRtR was composed primarily of Republic deserters and Separatists, individuals who already had beef with the Empire. It then gained traction with aliens who feared they'd be oppressed, and as the Empire cracked down on rebel sentiments overall, it drew more people in. However, for most of the Empire era and even into the GCW, a lot of people simply didn't want to rebel. They saw no reason to, which was why up until Yavin their human numbers were a lot lower.

>>52923588
What's your point? That panem circensesque is somehow worth the cost of the atrocities levied on those who weren't so lucky? Being a dystopian slavery nightmare for anyone is far too much, and there were billions, at least, who fell under that umbrella.

>>52923625
>>52923642
There were ways in the Empire to petition for changes. Writing letters, petitions, even some small peaceful protests were allowed, and there were times that Imperial law got reforms. For example, there was a negative backlash to the decree that prisoners could be forced into labor, which was posted in the previous thread. After complaints, it was made much stricter, and the crimes warranting forced labor were greatly reduced in number. The Empire was very much opposed to full-on dissent, but it didn't mind criticism.

The Rebels took it differently, because they didn't want improvements to law or better treatment of people, they wanted a wholly new government systems. They were more akin to revolutionaries than rebels. In EU, when Mothma declared the Rebellion, she didn't even offer any terms or try to negotiate with the Imperial government in any way. She told Palpatine to abandon the Empire and that even if he did they were declaring war. The Rebels didn't protest or request anything be changed or improved, they just said "you suck" and decided to declare war no matter what.

They realized how dumb this was much later when they allied with the Remnant after the Vong War to bring better conditions and prosperity to the galaxy rather than trying to overthrow its government.

Who knows? The Rebels might've even been able to work with the Imperial Order and get some good changes made, but they didn't give it that chance. As far back as 18 BBY they were firing first and asking questions never.

>>52923706
The thing is that Palpatine had already proven himself to be a corrupt, duplicitous megalomaniac even before the Empire was declared, to anyone paying attention. And then it was made clear that Palpatine was a Sith Lord, and that the Empire existed for no other purpose than to give the Sith control of the galaxy. At that point, negotiation was no longer an option

And, of course, the Yuuzhan Vong war didn't happen. What did happen was the realization that, whoops, the New Republic proved to be too lenient with the Imperial Remnant.

>>52923778
Palpatine's identity as a Sith Lord wasn't very widely known. Even his closest staff were shocked to find out about it, and a small group even attempted a failed coup. Still, outside of his closest allies and the Grand Admirals, no one knew he himself was a Sith Lord. Even the Grand Moffs didn't know Vader himself was a Sith, they just knew he was a Force-using warrior, basically a monk but also Palpatine's enforcer.

>And, of course, the Yuuzhan Vong war didn't happen. What did happen was the realization that, whoops, the New Republic proved to be too lenient with the Imperial Remnant.

What are you talking about?

>>52923834
The leadership of the Rebel Alliance, though, did know about it; Bail Organa was directly involved with Yoda's attempt to take out Palpatine early.

>What are you talking about?
I'm talking about canon.

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Can someone recommend me some Star Wars /lit/?

So far I own Thrawn (currently reading), Heir to the Empire, Tales from Jabba's Palace, Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina, Dark Disciple, and Kenobi.

>>52924875
The X-Wing novels
The Farlander Papers
The Stele Chronicles
The Han Solo Trilogy
The Han Solo Adventures (different from the trilogy)
The Lando Calrissian Adventures
Scoundrels
Choices of One
Allegiance
Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor
The RotS novelization
Jedi Prince
The Hand of Thrawn duology (read as an endpoint to the Bantam era of Star Wars novels)

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>>52924930
>Stele Chronicles
>X-Wing novels
>Choices of One

>>52924875
New Canon Recommendations:
A New Dawn
Tarkin (This and A New Dawn are in an omnibus with some short stories, The Rise of the Empire. It's a good get)
Lost Stars
Bloodline
Aftermath: Life Debt and Empire's End. As bad as the first book is, the next two are actually pretty rad.

>>52925017

>Aftermath: Life Debt and Empire's End
No offense, but why do people shill these books? They're literally no better than the first one at all.

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>>52924975
>Shit taste
>Hating fun

>>52925061
The writing is altogether better in them than the first? The characters have more to do and the raised stakes make for a more interesting experience.

So I'm working on an Imperial AoR campaign and one of the big themes the players are going to be dealing with is that the local rebellion is happening because the Empire relocated alot of the sector's jobs into corrupt monopolies, leaving many unemployed.

That got me thinking-how mobile is your average citizen in Star Wars? We've never really dealt with a story staring someone in a "9 to 5" sort of job, but the Galaxy is a highly interconnected place and hyperspace travel is fast and cheap. How many people would straight up become economic migrants and leave their planets if the jobs left? How feasible is it to relocate? What realistic constraints would prevent people from just packing up and leaving?

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Where do you lot watch Rebels?

>>52925720
I get it from the Mega

>>52925720

/co/ but sometimes kisscartoons

>>52924930

I'd add Honor Among Thieves and Razor's Edge to that. The Starfighter Trap is fun too.

>>52925017

Naw about Aftermath, I understand what you mean, and I read them but it's not really worth it unless you're a completionist. That's time that could be spent reading Catalyst.

>>52925902
Haven't read Catalyst yet myself. I'd rate Life Debt and Empire's End around the same quality as Tarkin though.

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>>52925062
>he likes nucanon books

>>52923706
Yeah but senpai Genocide Ball.

They built a Genocide Ball.

They used the Genocide Ball.

They had every intent to continue using the Genocide Ball on any system that tried to break away.

>>52920274
>while others made him out to be power-loving but with good intentions/end-justifies-the-means mentality and possible foresight of the Vong.
Don't meme. Sheev is never well-intentioned. Even in opposing the Vong, all he was doing was making sure he doesn't have any rivals in galactic control. The Empire can and is well-intentioned and an overall net-positive good, compared to previous and succeeding governments, however the guy in charge of it IS an evil wizard, no disputing that.

>>52923778
You do realise the whole 'Palpatine was a Sith Lord' would've been taken as Alex Jones talk by the majority of the Galaxy? Its the very reason why even though the New Republic High Command in both Disney and Legends canon were aware of the fact, they never bothered revealing it to the Galaxy wide since it'd just seem as pro-Rebel/NR propaganda.

>>52923834
Vader was considered an 'Imperial Jedi' if I remember right, even called 'the last of the Jedi'. Came as a surprise to me that some deleted ANH scene openly called him a Sith Lord.

>>52923706

>The Rebels took it differently, because they didn't want improvements to law or better treatment of people, they wanted a wholly new government systems. They were more akin to revolutionaries than rebels. In EU, when Mothma declared the Rebellion, she didn't even offer any terms or try to negotiate with the Imperial government in any way. She told Palpatine to abandon the Empire and that even if he did they were declaring war. The Rebels didn't protest or request anything be changed or improved, they just said "you suck" and decided to declare war no matter what.

He kinda disbanded the senate. It's kinda hard to deal with them after that.

>>52923495
>It's significantly greyer in the Expanded Universe. Alderaan was doing some extremely nasty things to the Empire on a large scale. It wasn't just a few Rebel cells, it was their entire government and possibly even half their population. Loyalists were getting treated poorly at times and they were never informed of their government's allegiance. They also didn't just support the Rebellion vocally, they supplied arms and munitions - that were killing Imperial servicemen -, ships and maps, and sanctuaries for Rebel forces abroad and escaped prisoners of the Empire.

Nucanon or oldcanon?

As that doesn't line up with Leia's comments in ANH in any regard.

>>52927209
It's amazing to listen to isn't it? It's actually like listening to a propaganda broadcast.

All of Alderan's government were working with the Alliance but most Imperial officials have great intentions and corruption was rare.

All this Legends material taken together points to Alderan being a Death Star in its own right killing thousands of Imperials. However all this other Legends material about imperial massacres and slaver- sorry "Indentured Servitude" are from silly books no one likes.

>>52927313

I mean, even assuming Leia WAS lying. She'd need a plausible lie.

If it was the sort of place where loyalists were being shivved in the streets and they had a huge army and were handing weapons by the barrelload to rebels, her 'We have no weapons' comment would not have served her actual in-universe goal of not getting her home planet blown up because it would not be plausible.

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>>52927198
Don't be rediculous Anon! Don't you know the Imperial Senate was in league with the Rebels and were plotting all sorts of things that would lead to the dead of millions of Good Imperial Citizens! Who need I remind you were always in the majority which is why none of them made any attempt of an uprising when their beloved Emperor was assassinated by the evil and corrupt Rebellion!

>>52913434
Hi guys, I a currently making a campaign for some friends, and during the next part I have plan to use some creatures.
Do you know how to play this?

FYI I am going for a spaceship with a zoo and everyone on board got killed so the creature live in a closed envirronment. And obviously there is a BBG creature.

List of creature:
Bolraida (BBGC)

Tauntun (neutral)
Sledgy Fox (small carnivore neutral but aggressive)
Skotcarps (small reptile neutral)
Kris (small monkey-like neutral)

Borcatu (medium carnivor/scavenger agressive)
Colleac (small rat neutral)
Goa lawah (bird neutral)
Mutriok (horse-like neutral)

I mainly need a system for the combat creature (Bolraida and Borcatu), but if you have ideas...

>>52927198
Actually, the senate was only disbanded after the start of armed conflict. Yet, Garm Bel Iblis did protest through official channels, and was mostly ignored by the Imperial government, until he started speaking publicly against Palpatine's policies. Then the Empire tried to kill him, his family, and a whole lot of other people. He was the only survivor, and only then did he understandably join the armed Rebellion.

>>52927404

>Actually, the senate was only disbanded after the start of armed conflict.

Yeah but for a bit a comparison: America didn't disband it's own senate during the American civil war.

Or for that matter the Republic during the Clone Wars.

So I jumped into the X-Wing game fairly blind and got the core set and then the Rebel aces expansion which has the A-wing and B-wing in it, since I'm just playing with friends at home I want to fill out with some Imperial units for a decent variety of stuff to play with as I've just got two basic Tie fighters from the core set. Is the imperial aces box a good choice or should I just get another core box? Where should I go from here to have two reasonable teams to play with friends?

>>52926659
>Stele Chronicles
>X-Wing novels
>Choices of One
>Nucanon
Are you getting your titles mixed up or did you intend to reply to someone else?

>>52927858
Imp Aces is solid, gets you a lot of good upgrades and some baller as fuck ships. You can get to 100 with upgrades, but you'll probably want more ships.

>>52925653
Exactly the same as now. People generally don't leave if they're older and or have families. Moving to a new area is absolutely possible, but most don't want to do it. What's more, most dont want to be reeducated to perform a new job.

>>52929097
>>52928312
Depends on the planet just like it depends on the country in real life. Also since the galaxy isn't fully explored unlike our planet there is still a pioneer spirit which would influence people to move.

>>52927404
Lucky he didn't get his planet blown up #corelianprivlage

>>52922871
It's fucking amazing for a force user heavily invested into parry and reflect

>>52927392
If FFG look at the seeker or pilot splatbook, they have lots of creatures there.

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>>52920302
t. Jan Dodonna

>>52924875
Anything by Tim Zahn, really.

Thrawn Trilogy
Spectre of the Past
Vision of the Future
Outbound Flight

For CW:
Shatterpoint
Dark Rendevous

>>52924875
You may also be interested in taking a morbid tour of the worst books of the Bantam era to see if you can salvage the good parts.

Callista Trilogy (The second book, Darksaber has a LOT of good in it, you really just need to remove Calista, possibly slightly tone down the suicide force push, un-kill the major character that dies pointlessly, and give the SSD a more fitting/ambiguous send-off. The first one has an awesome planet, the third has the first ever swole Hutt and a civil war over cake icing that's addictive to the native species.)
Jedi Academy Trilogy, it's bad, but some parts are decent, especially after reading I, Jedi.
Crystal Star has some good parts with the Solo babies escaping an evil slaver, and later works retconned a relationship between the "Empire Reborn" group in it and the Dessan/Fyar remnant from Jedi Outcast that gives you a perfect replacement for Waru.
Dark Fleet Crisis trilogy, the Luke B/C plot is awful, the Lando B/C plot is amazing, the A-plot is about fighting a race that's essentially Imperial Japan, plus every bad thing arabs and jews have said about each other, and they STILL manage to be less edgy than the Vong! (Also all the New Republic ships it introduced other than the K-Wing looked SO ugly the first time they were illustrated that they needed a total rework)

>>52930452
Survivor's Quest

In the newcanon Thrawn book I really like that the Empire is portrayed as so desperate to finish the Death Star they'll even buy metal that they KNOW was stolen from them in the first place because it's faster than trying to hunt down the thieves.

>>52927858
Imp Aces and Rebel Vets are both great boxes with a bunch of upgrades as well as new pilots to explore for each of the factions you want to use.

What's that website that has all the books as epubs again?

>>52931198
I don't trust you.

>>52930910
*Black Fleet Crisis. And yes Lukes story is awful but the others are great.

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>>52930910

>other than the K-Wing
The others were uglier than that?
Dear lord.

>>52927198
3 years after the Rebellion was formed and war was declared.

>>52927431
Imagine if in something like the American Revolution Washington wrote a letter to King George demanding he resign from the British monarchy and turn it into a Republic, and then added that they were going to come kill him no matter what he did.

Palpatine was an asshole, but so was the Rebel leadership.

>>52927404
I don't know if I'd chalk this up to Imperial cruelty or just plain bad luck, since Ilbis seems to get fucked over in everything he appears in. First he disses Palpatine and the Empire fucks him over, then he joins the Rebellion. He disses Mothma and the Rebellion fucks him over, then he forms his own cell to fuck over both the Empire and Rebellion. Then he retires because of how horrible the war is and wants to be left alone. Then shit goes down and he rejoins the New Republic begrudgingly. Then he gets fucked over again. Ilbis can never ever be happy.

>>52927209
EU. I don't know if Nu says anything on it, since I don't have any interest in delving too far into it admittedly after the criticisms I've heard.

>>52931805
>Imagine if in something like the American Revolution Washington wrote a letter to King George demanding he resign from the British monarchy and turn it into a Republic, and then added that they were going to come kill him no matter what he did.

Remember how respectful and polite the American government was at first asking for freedom from George? They still talked to him like their rightful ruler, because he was. The Rebellion did no such thing to their rightful (whether they liked it or not) ruler. Ilbis only even landed in hot water because he took it upon himself to do the Star Wars equivalent of shitposting and threatening the most important/powerful person in the galaxy because he wasn't being given an audience with him. I imagine if Mon Mothma and the Alliance leaders had written a letter addressing Palpatine as their Grand Emperor, but stating that they had some grievances that they felt could be addressed to better the lives of all under the New Order and to achieve true peace and prosperity for those feeling grievances inflicted on them, and that they would like to politely discuss such matters from the perspective of loyal Imperial citizens with political backgrounds with the Emperor himself for the good of all, they might've had a good chance to be listened to.

Compare that to
>Ilbis: hey palpatine give an audience to me now
>....
>Ilbis: wowo im being ignored lol palpatine is such a shithead im going to post on the news how much of a fucker palpatine is

>mothma: palpatine youre a shitlord give up this entire government now or else we declare war but guess what youre a shitlord so were gonna attack you anyway prepare to die shitlord and well take as many imperials with us if we die hahaha i love having moral superiority over these shitlords kill em all boys they are literal subhumans

>>52931543
don't you mean Luuuuke?

>>52930910
>>52931760
Yes, the capital ships are hideous.

Though I suppose every piece of art of the K-wing is also wrong, the third engine is supposed to be on the UNDERSIDE to help pull up from a dive during atmospheric bombing runs.

>>52931930
No, that's "An Apology" where Zahn apologizes for silly naming of clones and the slight cop-out ending of Mara's brainwashing arc.

>>52913434
Hi all,

My player is heading to Yavin-4 around the year 7 BBY (so far before the Rebel presence was super established there) in order to investigate the temples on the planet, looking for Force artifacts and lore and whatnot.

I've done reading on Wookieepedia already about some of the stuff that was going on on Yavin-4, in Legends continuity - so I know about things like the Vassilika and Naga Sadow and whatnot - but I'm still unsure exactly of what kind of treasures the temples would hold.

I DO want there to be at least SOME treasures. That's important - my player's been struggling for quite a while and had a few defeats recently, so a victory would be nice.

I was thinking the Massassi could have attacked and stolen from any Jedi who came to investigate the planet in the past, and stolen whatever artifacts they had on their person and put them in vaults in their temples. Additionally, there's probably at least a few native Force-imbued artifacts like the Vassilika... I'm just not sure what they could be.

I tried loooking up possible Force artifacts, but I can't find much besides unique individual items.

Any tips or advice on what kind of loot to put in the temples of Yavin-4? Thanks in advance.

>>52932122

Well holocrons are pretty common jedi loot.
You could have a collection of lightsabers - sans kyber crystals. They wont work of course but they could sell to collectors perhaps.

>>52932282
Yeah, I just wanted something a bit different than holocrons. That does work.

I like the idea of plundered lightsabers, that's smart. Sells well, can be studied if desired (my player is a mechanically inclined Force user), and tells a story. Definitely using that.

>>52932122
>>52932282

As the above anon points out, holocron are always nice. You can always tailor the knowledge within to fit what the player is looking to develop towards.

You could have the player find some ancient armour or foci. The armour (with suitable time spent repairing it with modern materials) could serve as an armoured robes equivialent without screaming Jedi, and a focus could provide benefits to certain force power checks.

Or, a rare kyber crystal. Everyone loves rare kyber crystals.

>>52932397
Oooh, I like the idea of ancient armor or foci. That's great. She hasn't upgraded any of her Force powers yet so a foci that gives her an upgrade while she's holding it could be nice.

I also love the idea or refluffed armored robes.

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>>52932122
Ancient artwork, poetry, and literature; pre-lightsaber blades and armor; ancient Sith bling and fashion; old pieces of currency; blueprints and scientific sketches; Sith alchemical research data; geographical or navigational coordinates that can't be found on existing modern maps. Maybe throw in ancient starship parts or a surprisingly well-preserved computer that runs on outdated but never-before-seen software. Shit that a museum would bust a nut for.

>>52932487
>>52932523

Additional idea; have a group of archaeologist/looters present. Whether or not they react kindly to the player's presence is entirely down to how the player behaves.

>>52932122
The Jedi finds an old Holocron detailing an old temple on an Outer Rim world forgotten by time. It may have relics in it, so they go there

only to find out it's become a tourist world and the temple is now a museum run by Imperial archaeologists, fascinated with history but of course not really making it publicly known that it was a location full of Force users and Force artifacts.

Amidst crowds of smelly tourists in the hot sun eating fried goods, the Jedi see a crystal on display that they know is a rare saber crystal, but what the exhibit is calling a beautiful gem of marriage or some other diplomatic significance of an ancient civilization. Other artifacts like holocrons are there too.

What do the Jedi do?

>>52931903
Again, the Rebel leaders knew that Palpatine was a Sith Lord, and that the chances of him actually ceding any power were nil. The best case scenario is that he simply pretends to accede to their requests; the worst case involves swift assassination.

And if we're in Legends continuity in this argument, the Emperor fully intended to turn the entire galaxy into a dark side theocracy eventually.

>>52918269
If she's alive Governor Pryce will be wanted by the new Lothal government for horribly screwing over her homeworld and enslaving its population.

Wookies would totally put out bounties on Trandoshans involved in the occupation of their homeworld, Imperial officials involved, and particularly onerous Trandos marked by vengeful individual wookies.

Coruscant is such a densely populated planet, with so much habitable space due to its vertical nature there are entire Imperial cells hiding in the lower levels. Imagine a dozen city blocks a hundred levels down controlled by Imps hiding from the New Republic.

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>>52932567
Yeah, my plan is to have there be rebels scouting out the planet at the same time! :)

The players are not part of the rebellion, though one is completely sympathetic while the other is finding themselves more and more drawn to it. This is an opportunity for them to work more with the rebels, at least get to know them, or maybe screw that up.

>>52932665
Ooooh this is a fun plot hook. I love it. I'll definitely do this.

>>52932369

The added bonus of spent sabers is that it tells a story but can also become one - perhaps one of the sabers is much newer than the others. She can try find out who it belonged to, perhaps theyre even still alive - there's certainly no signs of a newer body here.

You could go for one of the old old Old Republic vibroblades that came with cortosis in it to duel with sabers. Cortosis weave isnt hugely unique, but if its not something she has its much more readily acceptable the galaxy over than a saber, and is less likely to get her immediately arrested and shot.
And it'll be an interesting surprise for any inquisitor she might come across.

>>52932763
Ooooh, nice idea. And that's very reasonable for Massassi warriors to treasure!

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>>52932665

>>52932669
They didn't necessarily need to ask him to cede power, they could've just given ideas for reforms, politely and respectfully. Palpatine definitely did not want his power challenged, but there's evidence enough in Legends that he wasn't intolerant of hearing reform ideas or having some policies questioned, so long as you didn't go too far with it.

>>52933142
GENOCIDE BALL

I'm going to keep saying it.

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>>52933203
If the Empire's evil for building a superweapon spacestation, then we're evil for building nukes and satellite weapon systems.

>>52933142
See Dark Empire. Any reforms would be either fraudulent or temporary.

>>52933256
>Dark Empire

That took place in 10 ABY long after the Rebellion began and Palpatine died. That's not really a good example as to why genuine reform before the GCW would've been impossible.

>>52933325
Gholondreine-β, Ghorman, and Sulon all showed that even peaceful protests and criticisms were punished by lethal force.

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>>52933325
>>52933142
>>52931903
>Garm
>Shitposting
What. He did his duty to his people - to the Empire - as a duly elected representative of Corellia, planet of the truly free, by making their voices heard, taking their complaints through officials channels and being told to get lost. His speeches weren't just shitposting, but reminding the elite at Imperial Center who their boss was. Not the Navy, not the foppish sycophants of the court, but the Galaxy and his citizens. Bel-Iblis did his job and he did it by the rules.

Also, don't talk shit about my husbando. Too good for this sinful galaxy.

>>52933325
It was also Palpatine's plan all along (not dying, but the aforementioned dark side theocracy). The only way the Empire ever could have reformed is through removing Palpatine himself, and even then, it's really too institutionally corrupt for me to believe that bothering is worth it.

>>52933390
Democracy is a lie.

We need a timeline in which Leia reforms the Empire into a constitutional monarchy.

>>52933451
That's implying the Sith are somehow opposed to all reforms and pure evil, which they're not. A dark side theocracy would've probably sucked, but it wouldn't have meant the end of the world.

>>52933228
Yeah but I'm not aware of any plans to nuke our own civilians.

>>52933578
>Sith
>Not evil

Oh man it's been a while since this one.

>>52933578
Caamas showed that thoughtcrime was punishable by death. Real, substantial reform was never in Spicy Sheev's playbook. Any concessions made to the sham of a Senate were minor in the long run and most likely mere distractions to draw attention from the Empire's bigger plans.

>>52933607
I think it was literally earlier this thread.

could someone sling a discord invite my way?

>>52933714
Look at this traitor, resorting to facts in order to justify his rebellion. COMPNOR has been notified, enjoy Kessel.

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What are some good gimmicks for bounty hunters fighting the party to have. I'm thinking more mechanics than fluff. So far I have:

Sniper + probe droids
Melee specialist + gas grenades
Guy with Improved quickdraw, spitfire, and lots of bolas, grenades and other goodies

Quick X wing question. If I have a Tie/of miniature. Can I use it as an original tie as long as I have the oroginal's card and base?

>>52933941
Meant Tie/fo. You get what I mean.

>>52933889
Flamethrowers. Lots of flamethrowers.

He uses exclusively thrown, kinetic weapons. Poison darts, knives, bolas, etc.

Jetpack, fights very 3 dimensionally.

>>52918355
[laughing TIE Defenders]

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>>52934092
>Jet packs and flamethrowers
If he can get some mini-rockets out of the bounty hunters book or a grenade launcher, basically a walking war crime waiting to happen.

>>52933941
In a tournament, no, but casually it shouldn't be too bad.

>>52933714
No. Caamas insisted on adhering to the principles and governing system of the Old Republic, and while they offered loyalty to Palpatine in speech, they refused to accept the New Order or any form of Imperial government or regulation in practice.

Caamas was certainly more tragic and much harder to justify than Alderaan, though it still was a more complicated issue than "thoughtcrime = death". Not only was Caamas' adherence to Old Republic government technical treason - had any major planet tried the same thing during the Republic's days, they too would've likely suffered severe military retribution - but it also caused genuine concern that anti-Palpatine deserters and possibly even Separatists would flock to it, and as such it was intended to be a message.

Also, it should be mentioned that they maintained a Jedi Temple and did not carry out Order 66. The majority of the bombardment was directed at the Jedi Temple and its vicinity to eliminate any Jedi stragglers. The most severe damage and what left Caamas an inhospitable wasteland was not the Empire, but a meteor strike that occurred many years later.

>>52933582
Alderaan had more Rebel supporters and full-on Rebel combatants than it did Imperial citizens/loyalists, and its entire government was either in the pocketbook of or in control of the Rebel Alliance.

>>52935055
[Citation Needed]

>>52932122
Naga Sadow was the one who destroyed Ossus, so I've decided that in addition to other people's suggestions (thanks everyone!), I'd love to start my player on a quest for Ossus. She was going to be a Librarian Knight when she was a Padawan, so Ossus would be her crown jewel. This would make a great campaign-level quest - the search for Ossus!

>>52935055
GENOCIDE BALL!!!

>>52935055
Hux there was 2 Billion people there.

>>52931805

>Imagine if in something like the American Revolution Washington wrote a letter to King George demanding he resign from the British monarchy and turn it into a Republic, and then added that they were going to come kill him no matter what he did.

And how does that justify him disbanding his own senate, thus removing any legal way to remove him from power?

>EU. I don't know if Nu says anything on it, since I don't have any interest in delving too far into it admittedly after the criticisms I've heard.

Right, so you are not actually discussing canon. Because new canon has people trying to legitimately trying to remove him from power and him removing the senate the moment it looked like a vote might actually succeed.

>>52935055

Except that can't be true. See >>52927337

It is simply not plausible for that to be the situation as it would defeat Leia's very attempts to save her planet if that was the truth. She would have needed to have said something else to have tried to move the genocide ball away from her world.

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>One of the few traits the elder and younger Palpatine had in common, other than a thirst for violence, was a fanatical passion for speeder racing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r1LBJK0zxo

DO YOU LIKE

MY CAR

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>>52924930
>>52925017
>>52930452
>>52930910
I'll be sure to check these out

Thanks fellas

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An Empire can inspire hope in its people and lead others to do good things but still be evil

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>>52935574
GET IN PUSSY
WE'RE GOING TO BOONTA!

>>52935569
>spends the entire movie lying over and over again to the Empire
>"Leia said there were no weapons, so how could Alderaan have weapons? Checkmate, Empirefags"

>>52935695
An empire is not evil just because it's an empire. An Imperial system of government is not an evil one.

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>>52935695
No you fool everything the empire did was necessary and justified!

>>52935727
Fuck off Hux.

>>52935727
>"You would prefer another target, a military target, then name the system."
Even Tarkin knew it wasnt a military target.

That said, why are we having this fucking argument yet again.

>>52935766
I don't understand this new "Hux" meme.

>>52935786
Because Hux won't let go.

>>52935786
>That said, why are we having this fucking argument yet again.
At this point someone needs to make an image of every evil atrocity the Emprie did in both canon and legends material.

>>52935786
Read the novelization or any number of EU books about Alderaan.

It was a military target and military supporter of the Rebellion.

>>52935802

Film is and always was prime canon.
If books disagreed with something in the film, they were not canon - that was always the case.
I say again - Tarkin knew and stated it was not a military target.

>>52935802
GENOCIDE BALL!!!

>>52935727
>"Leia said there were no weapons, so how could Alderaan have weapons? Checkmate, Empirefags"

That is not what I said. What I said was 'If she was lying, that isn't the lie she'd need to tell'.

You can't sit there in an NRA shirt with a bumper sticker saying 'I love the second amendment' and tell the cop 'No, I don't have any hidden weapons in the car. I don't even own any guns' for comparison.

If she was lying, she'd want to tell a DIFFERENT lie than 'We have no weapons' to get the empire to move the genocide ball away from the planet if it was so very clear the planet supported the rebellion.

>>52935802

1) Legends isn't canon any more
2) Even when it WAS canon, movie is a higher tier of canon than the books. The movie itself has Tarkin say that it wasn't a military target.

>>52935802
The only EU material that really says anything close to what you're claiming would be the ANH novel and radio show, neither of which were ever true canon, as they conflicted with the movie regularly.

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Luke was lead on by the Force to go to Cloud City and attempt to rescue his friends, ultimately learning that Darth Vader was his father.

So with that being said, were Yoda and Obi-Wan wrong to have him stay and train?

If he had confronted Vader and the Emperor for the first time in RotJ, would he have died? Would he have killed Vader and the Emperor? Would he kill Vader and be turned to the Dark Side by the Emperor?

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>>52935918
You're right! Damn those selfish Rebels, unable to do the decent thing and just write a letter.

>>52935800
>>52935855
Believe what you want to believe, I'll believe what I want to believe.

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>>52936098
Sure thing Hux, do you get back-rubs from Phasma every time you justify genocide?

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>>52935574
GUESS YOU'RE READY
'CAUSE IT'S A DEATH STAR II
IT'S GONNA BE SO EXCITING
GOT FORCE LIGHTNING
REALLY DEEP IN MY SOUL
LET'S GET OUT I WANNA GO COME ALONG SHIELDS ARE ON

>>52936098

...but this isn't about belief. There was a concrete, well set up series of tiers of canon. The movie beats the EU.

>>52936153
I'd justify genocide on the internet for that honestly

>>52936027
>friends are all dead/captured
>Luke uses anger to defeat and kill Vader
>gets zapped into submission by Palps and APPRENTICE'd

Maybe by some stroke of madness, Vader tries the "join me, son" speech in the throne room and shit gets really crazy, but that mess ends in the death of the Jedi and triumph of the Dark Side regardless of the victor.

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>>52936175
10/10

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>>52913434

How do I win pic-related? I need help building a meta-competitive Rebel list for the upcoming store championships. I can buy anything that I would need, so just give me the best Rebel lists and tell me how to fly them. I have been enjoying flying Rey/Norra, but I am not sure how that would fare in the upcoming meta.

>>52936189
It doesn't totally contradict the movie, and even if it did, people can choose what canon they themselves want to follow, so long as you're not debating overall canon facts with others. Hence, believe what you want, I'll believe what I want.

>>52936689
Get a trip so I can filter you.

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>>52936689
Good I'm so glad we're on the same page about cannon facts.

>>52936689
>It doesn't totally contradict the movie

...except it does. Tarkin asks her to change it to a military target. Which means Alderan was not a military target.

>people can choose what canon they themselves want to follow, so long as you're not debating overall canon facts with others. Hence, believe what you want, I'll believe what I want.

Then maybe stop claiming your fanfiction in threads about the actual setting.

How militant are the twi'leks?

Would a powerful twi'lek empire be possible?

>>52936816
Not very. In Legends, Tal'dira mentioned there being a small muh warrior race subculture among the Twi'leks of the New Republic era, but they were a statistical minority compared to all the merchants and whores. A powerful Twi'lek empire would not be possible close to the OT/PT eras, however--Ryloth lacks shipyards on par with Kuat or the Mon Cal, so they'd never be able to acquire the necessary force projection capabilities.

>>52936749
Tarkin might just be bluffing her or messing around, because it isn't just the novelization that says Alderaan was a military target. Several other following books enforce it or at least mention it. I mean, if you believe that they completely contradict canon and should be ignored, that's your opinion. My opinion is that the Empire is not some evil-for-lulz mustache-twirling dystopia, and any authors who try to make it as such are just pushing a really shitty concept that we Empirefags can also ignore. Again, it isn't a case of "Empire dindu nuffin", it's a case of "The Empire did bad shit but was overall a positive change for the Galaxy and it wasn't evil in and of itself."

>>52936945
>so long as you're not debating overall canon facts with others

You literally just said this.
Stop going against your own shit.
Canon facts are that the empire was evil, alderaan was not a military target, and the rebellion are the good guys.

Believe what you want, but dont bring up your own headcanon when debating overall canon facts with others.
Your words, anon.

>>52936737
Dey wuz good boys! Dey dindu nuffin!

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>>52936964
>canon facts

Depends on what canon we're talking

>Empire evil, rebellion good guys

In the binary drama theory of protagonist v. antagonist yes. In actual morality not necessarily. Even if you only go by the movies the Empire doesn't do much that's evil and the Rebellion doesn't do much that's good.

>inb4 muh aldinduraan
>inb4 whole crew evil cuz they didnt rebel against tarkin

>>52936945
>we Empirefags
Don't group me with you, you fucking simpleton. If you can't grog deleting two billion people just to prove a point as pretty fucking evil then we don't have much in common, order=/=mandatory genocide approval.

>>52937030

Film canon states it, it's canon.
Headcanon it however you like dear, it's absolutely the film canon.

Like the empire just fine, but stop fucking starting arguments about it every fucking day becuase dindu.

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On an unrelated note I want an /swg/ drinking game. The mutual shitposting from both sides of the /pol/itical spectrum alone is enough for multiple instances of fatal alcohol poisoning.

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>>52937052
>>52937084
Are you anons actually from Alderaan? Because you seem to take the fictional destruction of a fictional world of a fictional planet in a fictional galaxy in a fictional universe in a fictional movie very personally and seriously.

>>52937089
>>52937089
Just take a shot for each slot you fill in on the bingo board.

>>52937030
>inb4 whole crew evil cuz they didnt rebel against tarkin

Actually yes unless you think "Just following orders" gets you off war crimes.

>>52937105

Just get very very bored by the constant "But you see, genocide is okay because...." day in, day out, without fail.

>>52937105
Someone is wrong on the internet, what do you honesty expect me to do Hux?

>>52937121
The only war crime committed was Alderaan's supply of weapons to the Rebellion against the Empire while being a member of said Empire.

I wanna see how the "evil genocide" story would go over in-universe to families who lost loved ones in Imperial service as a result of all the aid that a major economy and influential planet like Alderaan was giving the opposition.

Imperials are humans too, no matter how hard you meme the space opera angle. Every single person who died on the Death Star was a human being with hopes, ambitions, dreams, aspirations, a personality, a history, a life, and often a family.

They died too, and I see no one mourning over them.

>>52937166
That's life comparing the sinking of a battleship to nuking a city.

>>52937189
Dude, just stop taking his bait.
He's being literally and deliberately retarded and/or contrarian at this point.

>>52937166

>The only war crime committed was Alderaan's supply of weapons to the Rebellion against the Empire while being a member of said Empire.

Well, that and you know...all the loyal imperials on the planet. If even 10% of the people were loyal they blew up millions of people with no involvement with enemy forces that were loyal.

>They died too, and I see no one mourning over them.

And how would you propose the removal of the emperor without military action? He had disbanded the only organisation that could vote to remove him.

>>52937189
Every single star destroyer blown up contained thousands of human beings.

Every stormtrooper killed in the movies was someone's son or daughter, always, and sometimes someone's husband or wife, father or mother, brother or sister.

Every one of those stormtrooper helmets toted around like proud trophies covered the head of a human being, many of whom had not an evil bone in their body. They were doing their job.

Be as disgusted as you want at the Empire's destruction of Alderaan, but I rarely if ever see anyone talking about how tragic it is that Imperials are killed left and right and it's treated as heroic, but a single Rebel death is a tragedy.

War is a tragedy. War sucks. Anyone dying sucks, no matter whose side they're on.

>>52937197
Sorry, I should know better. I have too much free time recently.

I should not feed Hux's lust for (You)'s.

>>52937204
The Senate wasn't disbanded until 0 BBY, years and years after the Rebellion declared war on the Empire.

>>52932122
Oh also, some other help please...

My player has a holocron (they chose at character creation), and as part of fluff, I made the holocron call out to them so they could find it while escaping Order 66. Thing is, now my player is CONVINCED this is a super-special holocron of mystical importance. And you know what? Why not.

So uh, how can it be special? Right now I've just been dropping vague hints. First, it was possessed by a Dark Jedi Force spirit in a temple she ended up in, during the first adventure; that went away, but it showed the holocron was capable of being possessed.

Now, she's learned the holocron is millennia older than the recording on it - so it might have held a previous recording, or been constructed and then just sat unused for thousands of years.

My current thinking is that the holocron holds not just a replication of a personality, but the actual personality. While it works as a normal holocron most of the time, in times of great duress, the personality can activate itself and act as a powerful Force ghost, able to act through the holocron, even capable of using Force powers through it. It's like a 'shortcut' to being a Force ghost, but a lot less reliable. That doesn't seem interesting enough, though.

I was also thinking it could be part of a two-piece set or something, like the holocrons in Rebels. Or perhaps a key to a temple that its Master was a steward of.

Any suggestions?

>>52937219

Racist. Do you think that only human lives matter?

>>52937246

It was also utterly pointless even by that point as Sideous had managed to obtain his position fraudulently. Manufacturing a war to get yourself into power does not make your appointment legitimate. That's tampering with the democratic process on a gigantic scale.

>>52937249
Ah, that also begs the question of why it didn't activate itself during Order 66... hm...

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How are you guys handleing the fact that the Bogan is no longer a malignant cancer and now just another aspect of the overall force?

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>>52937330
>the Bogan is no longer a malignant cancer
>Aussies have apparently stopped shitposting
I guess we could complain about the eternal Leaf instead?

>>52937219
At least they got to die wearing pretty sweet uniforms.

>>52937400
I'd rather rag on the welsh or argies

>>52937330
I swear to God this better not be you getting board and moving on to the next shitstorm, Hux.

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>tfw the 100-level course in Imperial Apologetics is a core requirement at /swg/ university with no waiver
Putting Hux on the board of regents because of his family connections was a mistake

>>52937219

>Every single balttleship blown up contained thousands of human beings.

>Every nazi killed in the movies was someone's son or daughter, always, and sometimes someone's husband or wife, father or mother, brother or sister.

>Every one of those nazi helmets toted around like proud trophies covered the head of a human being, many of whom had not an evil bone in their body. They were doing their job.

>Be as disgusted as you want at the Nazi's destruction of Oradour-sur-Glane, but I rarely if ever see anyone talking about how tragic it is that Nazis are killed left and right and it's treated as heroic, but a single Ally death is a tragedy.

>War is a tragedy. War sucks. Anyone dying sucks, no matter whose side they're on.

Clearly it's important that I feel sad for all the poor enemies in a wolfenstein game.

>>52937400
What? The Bogan is the proper name for the dark side. Ashla is the proper name for the light side. Neither is more natural than the other. Both are important for balance of the universe.

>>52938011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qA8gJoT5yl4

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>>52938011
I was cracking a joke, anon.

>>52937330
I'd rather not take the Bendu's reflections on the Cosmic Force as direct advice for mortal beings regarding their optimal relationship with the Living Force.

>>52938002
I mean, you're not wrong, Nazis were human beings. Nice Godwin's Law either way.

>>52938176

Is it godwin's law if you are discussing a nazi analog in the first way?

>>52938190
No one brought up Nazis at all until your post.

>>52938209

The Empire are and always have been a nazi analog.

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>>52937400
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I've been preaching this for years. Only a true master of the force with supreme discipline and willpower to wield both the dark side and the light

>>52938223
Some of their helmets and the name of Stormtroopers were inspired by Nazi Germany, but the Empire was not an analog for Nazis.

Even then, the idea of a "Stormtrooper" infantry unit was part of the school of thought on war rising out of the need for mobility that began with the Bismarck era. It was not a purely Nazi term.

The Stormtrooper helmets were based on the stahlhelm, which was in use with Germany prior to World War 1.

The Empire follows more of a monarchist imperial government system rather than a fascist one.

The boots worn by the Imperial officers were British riding boots, not German military boots.

The Empire = Nazis analog is pretty much false in every way.

>>52938290

George Lucas literally refers to them as Nazis during his directors commentary of The Empire Strikes Back and the costume designer was instructed to base them off Nazis and the Rebels on american navy pilots during WWII.

>>52938278
>muh super speshul snowflake
Zayne motherfucking Carrick > Revan

>>52938339
>"Jar-Jar is the key to all this!"

Can this just be the argument anytime someone says "WELL LUCAS SAID THIS SO EVEN IF DERES NO PROOF IN DA MOVIE UR WRONG LOL"?

>>52938412
Hux shut the fuck up and get to work on Starkiller 2.

Say I want to run a post VoTF legends game. What would be some good alternative Big Galactic Trouble events rather than lolvong or "sith at it again"?

>>52938451
VoTF? Do you mean Legacy of the Force? There is stuff after that the Legacy comics, which are much better than LoTF

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>>52938451
The greatest galactic trouble event of all: the road to Galactimania. Jon Sienar, The Pig Show, Dwayne "The Baron" Fel, Stone Cold Horton Salm, the nJo, and countless other superstars from across the galaxy are coming together to compete in a titanic contest of wills and muscle. Are the PCs a bad enough stable to challenge the most electrifying men in all of space entertainment?

>>52938290
>Monarchist

Fucking how exactly? Maybe the Remnant/Fel Empire but Palpy doesn't claim some divine right of kings shit or have any plans of succession. He's either gonna live forever or the Empire can just go to shit when he dies he would not give a single fuck.

>>52938553
>the Empire can just go to shit when he dies he would not give a single fuck.

Yeah, he made those clones of himself and had multiple backup plans and was pissed that the Empire wasn't doing well when he came back

because he didn't give a fuck.

Yeah.

>>52938451
The NR realizes that without having to constantly worry about the empire, it can address *other* forms of galactic cockbaggery, and has decided that now is the time to correct the OR's mistake and put the boot in on the hutts, with the full support of the remnant

First time playing Edge of the Empire, what's a fun character concept/build? I'm thinking something like a back-alley doctor, but I'm not decided on that idea yet.

>>52938606
Good point. Let me clarify the Emperor wouldn't give a fuck about a galaxy that doesn't have him in it. The Empire is about UNLIMITED POWAH! for him he'll have contingencies but those are based around saving him/living forever not what to do in case he actually dies for good

>>52938643

As someone whos currently playing a main road doctor, it's pretty fun by itself, so moving into the shadows of the back streets for some shady shit would probably be a lot of fun.

Plus, everyone will love you, since you're patching them up later.

>>52938549
We know it's you, XWW. Put the name back on and update XW:TG pls

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>>52938696

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>>52938626
>No black sun left
>Everyone is turning on the hutts

And guess who else would be willing to help out the PCs and dominate the underworld?

>>52938749
Existing material suggests his organization was basically wiped out within a year or two of endor, and I'm quite good with that, it was dumb anyways

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>>52938749
>Zann
I get the feeling that Lando would have something to say about that. And so might Talon Karrde. And maybe even Booster Terrik.

>>52938749
I would literally take the travisslorians over that nonsense, no thanks

>>52938626
The hutts would get fucking rent, wouldn't they?