Warhammer 40,000 General /40kAoSg/

First for da -Nick

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2nd for cautiously optimistic

I want to use Wyches outside of Shadow War.

SPACE MARINES
IMPERIAL FORCES
CHAOS
XENO EMPIRES
XENO HORDES

CHOOSE YOUR ALLEGIANCE

>>52877886

>Which percentage you in?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12801571

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>arrive eagerly to your friendly local game store
>walk in, models in hand
>see Brittany and Jamal tabling someone with their fully painted army
>Brittany and Jamal embrace each other after their victory
>Jamal: "Ayo, whose next? You down for a pick up match white boi?"
>turn 360 and walk away

>>52877927
>stream already confirmed that each army will have its own codex, and that allies do not benefit from eachother's special rules
>Command point system that fucks you over if you don't field units from just a single faction

It's almost like you know nothing at all of what has been leaked so far. Or just don't understand it.

>>52877886
I'm interested to see how the balancing works out. I own full armies of both Iron Warriors and World Eaters so if the game leans shooty or choppy I'm in good shape either way. However I'd really like to know that if I run either army that I'll have a reasonable chance of winning.

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I've been out of the loop on the new edition stuff. What's going on so far with the changes, and is it actually an AoS reskin like I feared?

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>>52877927

>>52877987
>turn 360 and walk away
actually snorted

>>52877987

>180

360 is a full rotation...

>>52878011
Well from the sounds of it GW took great effort to create the rules in such a way that it rewards you for sticking to one army, have done extensive playtesting also out-of-house, and tried to balance everything against everything for release. It's not gonna be perfect, but there's a good chance that there will be a lot more armies that are viable.

>>52878050
oh really?

>>52878050
>being this new

>>52878020
You are asking in the wrong place.

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>>52877951
>767 yays
>barely 129 posters last thread
Wow you did that bait yourself? You're a big boy now, aren't you?

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>>52878050
Reddit is not welcome.

Not sure which faction to roll for 8th (coming in fresh from 4th).

Would love a fully fleshed out inquisitorial faction or a non-cheese chaos cultist/daemon army. Or maybe just orks.

>>52878020
No. They're rebalancing things and bringing back some 2nd edition rules. We're getting movement values for each unit, all units have the same stat types (vehicles have wounds and save instead of HP and AV), every unit will still be in the game, the current rules are dead, rules for the game and all armies at launch with more fleshed-out codices later, Monstrous creatures and vehicles get weaker as they take damage, charging unit attacks first. That's most of what we know.

>>52878070
>>52878071

>Embrace reality children.
>Or get raped by clergy

>hyped for 40k for the first time since 6th ed was released
Weird kind of feel.

>>52877886
Fuck off, frogposter.

>>52878050
>>52878049
>turn 360
>moonwalk form a shop

problem?

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>>52877924
>mfw they're still making Sword Brethren models and might get a datasheet for them in 8th

OUR TIME IS NOW BROTHERS!.

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>>52878125
>Monstrous creatures and vehicles get weaker as they take damage
As a Tyranid player, how boned am I?

>>52878089

No those are all people votes, think I would waste my time when I can be wanking?

>>52878179
Oh fug I really need a box of those, thanks for reminding me anon

>>52878009
>5 books confirmed that summarize all the new rules for factions
>two are xenos and two are imperium

enjoy your aos grand alliances lmao

>>52878182
Hard to say. Monstrous creatures were too strong for everyone except 'nids. Which is unfortunate.

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Heres your 8th edition rulebook, guys!

>>52878009
as long as they retain the armies of the imperium as a single group with battlebrother (or equivalent) alliance I'm fine

>>52878198
Are you one person or are there actually this many retards posting the same conjecture 24/7?

>>52877987
>charging bargain bin nids into full BS overwatch

>>52878225
>tfw not weeb enough to understand this

Will we get them data cards that AoS get? Won't lie I will be the idiot buying into it...

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>>52878182
Not as boned as my Guard tank army that now will be taken down by mass guard/gaunts/fucking conscripts.

>Swarmlord shat all over tyranid fluff
>tentacle rape, caesarian section and dog penis models
>never even mentioned now
So the 'Great Devourer' is really nothing.

Fuck you chaos faggots.

>>52878254
It's a shitty hentai about elves featuring sexplosions. So basically, Anon is right, it's just Ynnari

>>52877987
the real question is
are those Salamanders or Dark Angels?

>>52878266
My Iron Warriors share your pain. It's going to be a sad day when my fortifications are destroyed by grots.

>>52878146
>Turn 720
>Strike a pose
>Moonwalk from the shop
better

>>52878020
>Movement value and armoursave modifiers are back
>Formations are gone
>Instead many types of FOC, most of which can be used by all armies
>All units use the same type of statline (including vehicles)
>Most multiple wound models become less effective the more damage they take
>Point system in Matched Play is exactly as it is now, point values have been tweaked for everything
>Nothing will get squatted, new factions promised (including one revealed on release)
>Wider range of stats, things can go over 10
>Keyword system, rules that provide bonusses do so only for their own faction (no more chapter master buffing a squad of guardsmen) so Allies are Distrusted at best and the era of deathstars should be over.
>Command point system : you get command points depending on FOC and number of units from same faction for example. One command point can be used (each turn or phase?) to do a special ability, like out-of-sequence charge. Armies will get command abilities that fits their fluff and theme
>Most extensively playtested edition of 40k yet, people outside of GW from large tournaments and such got to playtest it. GW did as much as they could to make all units usuable
>Everything can wound everything - we don't know what this means yet. Things like "More old school stat lines" and "Really making the statline work" hint at always wounding on a 6, but insane save and huge amounts of wounds making it unreasonable to kill a tank with lasguns
>Regular updates based on community feedback to improve and maintain the game balance
>Games should take only about half as long to play out. That's a promise of games going twice as fast as they are now

That's all of it (for so far) I think.

>>52878266
>lasguns wound your leman russ on a 4+
>but it has 20 wounds and a 2+ save
Is this... balanced?

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>>52878313
>Keyword system

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>>52878344
And what, praytell, is wrong with a keyword system?

>>52878234
well about that ...

Imperial superfriends is dead. Armies benefit only from their own special rules, so besides the benefit from fighting alongside eachother there is no more added synergy for using allies.

>>52878319
If I was playing a tabletop game like Twilight Imperium or maybe Zombicied sure.
For a wargame? I expect more simulation than just pure abstraction like a table top game.

>>52878361
I don't like it.

fite me irl

>>52878365
>Imperial superfriends is dead. Armies benefit only from their own special rules, so besides the benefit from fighting alongside eachother there is no more added synergy for using allies.
well fuck me that was one of the best things
I hope they allow for that in the future, are FAQ still going to be a thing

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>>52878389
Yes, but why don't you like it? Or is there no reason?

>>52878286
well they very much appear to have dark angel icons on them, also allied guardsmen. Hope they don't mind being abandoned in the face of the oncoming swarm

>>52878313
Does this mean that they're balancing stuff by making weaker things equivalent to stronger things, or just nerfing stuff across the board?

>>52878313
That all sounds pretty fantastic, desu.

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>>52878418
We don't know.

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>>52878121
pretty amusing desu

>>52878414
I'd say it makes more sense for Salamanders to go with guardsmen to battle but I'm a little rusty in my DA 40k fluff

>>52878418
There has not been any indication either way. Although they did mention the Riptide by name as being broken.

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Can I play crusader squad with only chainswords and be viable?

>>52878319
But fixed to wound rolls haven't been confirmed yet. All they said was "Everything can hurt everything" but that could still mean that lasguns with Str 3 and no armoursave modifier need a 6 to 'wound' a Landraider ... which has a 2+ save and 30 wounds. That would mean at least 1040 lasgun hits (so 2080 shots with BS4) on average to bring down a Landraider with only lasguns.

>>52878478
Yeah it was funny how they acknowledged how things like Riptides and Wraithknights are broken right now.

>>52878313
>Movement value and armoursave modifiers are back
AoS style baby
>Formations are gone
the thing that appeared this edition only? Great!!!
>Instead many types of FOC, most of which can be used by all armies
>implying they won't be their respective army decurion
>All units use the same type of statline (including vehicles)
Great my tanks will die to lasrifles!!!!
>Most multiple wound models become less effective the more damage they take
Tyranids will definitely love this
>Point system in Matched Play is exactly as it is now, point values have been tweaked for everything
[Imminent bias towards Kelly's favorite armies increasing]
>Nothing will get squatted, new factions promised (including one revealed on release)
Yeah just like how the empire and other old armies have received new rules and support..... Wait a minute
>Wider range of stats, things can go over 10
>implying it means something when I can wound them with grots
Hahahaha
>Keyword system, rules that provide bonusses do so only for their own faction (no more chapter master buffing a squad of guardsmen) so Allies are Distrusted at best and the era of deathstars should be over.
>actually believes this
Oh, wow.
>Command point system : you get command points depending on FOC and number of units from same faction for example. One command point can be used (each turn or phase?) to do a special ability, like out-of-sequence charge. Armies will get command abilities that fits their fluff and theme
>Implying this isn't the new form to force you to buy models you wouldn't
GW DRONE SPOTED!!!

>>52878482
according to what I heard charging hits first so maybe but I'm not sure how the actual charge is going to be

>>52878418
Considering it's an almost entirely new game system, probable make everything equally powerfull.

>>52878509
I'm just doing a summary of what GW said on the stream you shitnugget. Ofcourse that sounds GW biased, because all we got was GW PR talk

How boned will Dark Angels be? The formations made them, Lions Blade fromation carried me through so many games, especially against Daemons, 'Nids and Necrons.

Hope they fix Belial though, useless HQ that literally gave you nothing.

>>52878313
>Most extensively playtested edition of 40k yet, people outside of GW from large tournaments and such got to playtest it. GW did as much as they could to make all units usuable
Hahahaha, people actually believes this?
>Everything can wound everything - we don't know what this means yet. Things like "More old school stat lines" and "Really making the statline work" hint at always wounding on a 6, but insane save and huge amounts of wounds making it unreasonable to kill a tank with lasguns
Yeah sure, this is GW they can't into rule writing
>Regular updates based on community feedback to improve and maintain the game balance
>implying it won't be Marines vs chaos mostly and Kelly's favourite army squished there
>Games should take only about half as long to play out. That's a promise of games going twice as fast as they are now
>implying time is a problem
This is what happens when your target market are children's with attention deficit

>>52878410
I think it is exactly the same as USR, troop types etc.
It's not to so much a structural change, but more of a semantic one.

However it seems to be an indicator of some AoS concepts leaking into the 40k ruleset.

Judging by what I've seen there it not a very robust system, that doesn't scale well and after a certain point offers no tactical depth since there are no decisions left to make once you pooled all your miniatures in one big melee.
This may be different with a ruleset/setting that is inherently more biased towards ranged combat, but I'm skeptical to say the least.

I also feel that I'm in general not as invested in 40k anymore, since a lot of fluff changes over the last few years sat wrong with me.
So I may be biased in that regard.

>>52878577
>Lion's Blade
I know that feel
I was not against formations just asking to rework the really broken ones

>>52878365
>implying implications
I hope you like the new flavour of super friends

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>>52878483
>But fixed to wound rolls haven't been confirmed yet.

Mate, I'm not arguing against a possible surplus of wounds to counter balance it, but you know as well as I that we are going full Smegma now. It's going to happen, and fixed wounds are coming right down the shit slide towards us.

If you want a indicator of things to come, go to FLG article on "hopes for 8th" that it it has been confirmed by themselves that they were amoung the playtesters, it's safe to asume some of it can be taken from that.

One of the main points were "chats, no more charts! They slow play which is bad for tourny faggots!"

>>52878578
>This is what happens when your target market are children's with attention deficit

If you want games to still be as long as they are now just double the amount of points or play two games.

Most people complained about games being too long because it was boring.

>>52878610
I always liked them, gave me something to work with when I was just playing for some fun and gave me a couple of bonuses here and there.

Also great for new people I think to use to stucture the growth of a new army. I literally started building mine around the Lions Blade with a Ravenwing flair to it.

>>52878624
>Wanting a billion charts to roll on

Phil Kelly pls go and stay go.

>>52878482
They are just tacticals now

>>52878179
>yfw they're now just Vanguard Veterans with no option for jump packs

>>52878637
And as people are saying there's no longer benefits from allies other than fighting together, I really enjoy the mix and match aspect of building a force of different imperials that supported each other

>>52878624
Strength and Toughness are confirmed. Stop your doomsaying.

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>>52877987
>Turn 360

so this is the power of /pol/....

>>52878509

Wew, what a cancerous post.

Anyway, is there anyone out there who unironically thinks that it's going to take any less than 500 lasgun shots to put a wound on a tank? I'm skeptical of the notion that using small-minded fire to kill vehicles is going to be viable on any level.

>>52878575
If anyone believe any of this for even a single second would be extremely disappointed when the new AoS is released

>>52878389
But why?
Keyword system and MCs getting worse from more wounds are some of the few things AoS got right.

Now, the possibility of battleshock in 40k is fucking horrible.
Who the fuck likes that shit morale system, and who the hell told GW that they should bring it to 40k?

>>52877987
has a woman ever played tyranids before?

>>52878577
You're just funny coloured space marines now, until Battle-tome: Dark Angels is released

8th edition stream. 6.7 earthquake on chile.

Even the earth is bitching about it

>>52878674
>turn 360° and walk away is a /pol/ meme
So this is the power of newfags...

>>52878720
>6.7 earthquake on chile
>6.7
>earthquake
>on chile

Thats like a strong tremor at best.

>>52878483
I can imagine vehicles having a 1+ save, basically requiring atleast strength 4 to reduce the save to a 2+

>>52878630
>just double the amount of points or play two games.
>implying aosmegmar mix well with high miniatures count
>playing two games of shit
GW drone detected
>Most people complained about games being too long because it was boring.
Manchildren with deficit of attention sported

>>52878667
Good. Allies were fucking cancer. If you want them for "fluff" or thematic purposes, you still can. I'm glad armies are being rewarded for eschewing allies.

If you're playing Ultramarines, you should have a fucking Ultramarine army, not Ultramarines feat. Space Wolves feat. Dark Angels feat. Inquisition

>>52878691
They said vehicles can't be oneshot anymore though.

>>52878718

It's probably one of the most popular girl armies. Something about all the colors.

ooking to be a bad update for the Leman Russes right now. If facings are no longer a thing, and the idea with the Russ wa being cheap and strong at the cost of a critical weakness, then that means it must be getting either more expensive or weaker now that critical weaknesses aren't a thing anymore.

I suppose I should be happy that the shit-eating grin on a Taufag's face when his riptide survives with 1 wound can be wiped off with a rapid firing platoon's lasguns but, well, I already could do that in 7E.

>>52878787
He's been firing that Stub Gun for 50 rounds

>>52878782
I guess if one is playing open or narrative games you can make houserules that formations/allies work like they do in 7th

>>52878647
Wait what?

>HUR DUR THIS NEW SIMPLIFIED AND STREAMLINED RULESET CATERS TO MANCHILDREN

Big words from retards who never get the current rules right to begin with. Face it, the target market isn't children, it's retarded faggots like you.

>>52878678
>GW
>rules writing
>not just copy pasting
>implying 40k won't become AoS shooting edition
GW DRONE!

>>52878319
If it's fixed "to wounds" (which I bet it is) then i'm sure lasguns with be 5+

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>>52878782
Personally, we kind of needed our allies, thanks mate. I run Skits+Mech+Culexus for psyker meta, and now that'll probably fuck me over a tad.

>>52878836

You didn't need allies, you needed an actual faction instead of a handful of units. Why the fuck would you beg for GW to shove their dicks in your mouth and jizz allies all over your face instead of demanding more support for your faction instead, idiot?

>>52878787
>implying a laspistol having the opportunity to destroy an armored tank is slightly balanced or even beneficial for the game
Ugh I knew /TG/ can't into 40k but this is ridiculous

>>52878836
I thought someone said the other day that Skitarii and AdMech are being combined for 8E?

>>52878817
BT will be rolled into vanilla completely

>>52878836
Skit and Mech will be the same force, just like militarum tempestus and astra militarum

>>52878070
>>52878071
>>52878098
>>52878146

>>>1d4chan

>>52878279
We tried to warm you.
Again and again we told you that Chaos was the greatest threat.
Not so "head-canon" anymore, eh?

>>52878669
Where?

Tau commanders on foot? No Ethereals.

>>52878286
Its Dark Angels, you can tell from the shade

>>52878782
depends on the army, Inquisition and the chambers militant excepting SoB are supposed to be allies. Same with Harlequins.
It would be quite cool though if "thematic" Allies meant you lost out on command point but got a big bonus against a preferred enemy.

>>52878833
Nah they'll be 4+, bolters will become 3+ and shuriken will be 4+ but if they roll a 6 they make a mortal wound, wait and see

>>52878917
on the live stream that prompted this entire discussion.

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>>52878931
>being this hyperbolic

I can't wait for all the cheap ass armies that'll pop up on eBay.

>>52878718
Has any woman playing 40k not chosen Tyranids?

Seriously women love the nids, it's bizarre

>>52878852
Not that anon but skittles and cult toaster as separate factions was beyond idiotic

Everyone except Imperium and Chaos confirmed for NPC races.

Fuck

>>52878882
>Used Wrath of Cadia to make Tau and Eldar rage

>All lasguns are discount Wrath of Cadia

Wheeeee!

>>52878903
Nah fuck off mane, they said they will make all models usable and that would include Templar Brethren wich other chapters can't bring

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I can already see it coming
>14 Force Organization Charts
>has a dedicated melee one
>favours Elites and Fast Attack melee units with barely any troop slots
>Crusader Squads are still obsolete

>>52878852
because I like to play more than one faction? and using several into a single deployment sounds more fun?

>>52878993
>implying 40k fags won't retreat to their basements to play with other basement dwellers
Do you even play this game?

>>52878882
You haven't even seen the rules yet, all you know is that they can theoretically, with great difficulty, inflict a wound

>>52878313
That sounds promising! Really looking forward to it! Motivates me to paint even more!

>>52878762
>I wasn't a retard...it...it was just a meme!

lel, nobody is buying it

>>52879051
>>>reddit

Reminder that we are getting five Grand Alliance books

Space Marines
Imperial Forces
Chaos
Xeno Empires
Xeno Hordes

>>52879020
>Templar Brethren wich other chapters can't bring
They are called Sternguard and vanguard veterans now depending on how you equipped them anon, this is 40k AoS not Astro physics, think simpler

>>52879080
Speculation on what they'll actually be, we only know that there will be five books at first

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>Guy makes stream info summary
>no "shit change" or "best change ever" anywhere
>"GW DRONE REEEEEEEEEEEEE KYS GW SLAVE"

Man it's funny how shit some of you guys are.

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>>52878286
Dank Memegels, and their BS2-4 Overwatch of death.

>tfw removal of templates means that you can now overwatch with plasma cannons
>my plasma devs, tacs, terminators, and dreadnoughts can finally make use of my chapter tactics and bonuses
Finally

>>52879107
This

Some BT players are fucking idiots, whining that there's no separate sheet for Sword Brethren when they're literally the exact fucking same thing as Vanguard Veterans. They're just Vanguard + BT upgrade kit.

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>>52878996
i know a lass who plays space wolves
i didn't know she was a she until i found out her name

>>52879032
You can still do that. It's just that your units don't become extremely more powerfull through synery from stacking special rules from different armies.

>>52879111
It's almost as if there were dedicated shitposters like Ivan. Ignore them.

>Xeno Hordes
Orks and Nids......

can finally be shit together....

>>52879120
>Overwatch
>8th Edition
lel

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>ITT

Just learned about the impending new edition and considering getting back into 40k (haven't paid attention at all since 6th edition). What's this I hear about GW advancing the plot?

>>52879032
Then take your fucking opportunity cost penalties for doing so.

>>52878905
It's not a 1d4chan thing though, it's a 4chan thing.

>>52877927
>Xenos Hordes
>New faction announced
>Hruds
>Rak'Gol

Make it happen GW.

Well, 8th has me intrigued ever since I had to stop in early 6th.

Shame I live in a wargaming wasteland.

>>52879044
>being still this much in denial
Give it up anon, it's over AoS fags won

>>52879172
Then what will GW gift me with if they remove half of my chapter's tactics?

>>52879239
What if... they left you as the only faction in the game, besides tau, that CAN overwatch?

>>52879233
I'll be very happy if it's anywhere near as good as AoS

AoS is a hundred times better than the shit-fest 40k has been since 2nd edition

>>52879192
but do I keep my ability to have my skitarii ride a chimera?

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>>52879051
>The smell of newfag

>>52879212
>Not Nicassar, Demiurg, or even Laer included in the Fulgrim+Slaanesh update

>>52879183
That pic made me kek

>>52879239
Immune to psychology for Deathwing and Expert riders for Ravenwing

>>52878319
>>52878483
Or maybe they'll bring about the system they used in SBG, in which to wound a strong thing you gotta roll a 6 and then roll a 4/5/6 to confirm. So everything wounds everything

>>52879111
>defending AoSification
Well I guess I'll had to expect AoShill coming to this general sooner than later

>>52878917
>>52878952
Yep. Near the start of the stream they talk about the statline and refer to Strength and Toughness in passing. They also talk about how a vehicle dropped to its last few wounds might not be able to hit anything because it's down to BS1.

>>52879256
Hahahahaha AoS shills are still this hilarious, I bet you think your game is depth and challenging

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>>52879255
That actually sounds like a thing that could happen.

>>52879328
>immune to psychology
?

But what about Greenwing?

>>52879330
So a 3/6 followed by a 1/6 followed by a 3/6 followed by a 1/6 failed save for a total of a 1/144 chance for my infantry to wound?

Well, 144/3=48 so I'll have to remember that when a wounded land raider is trying to cleave between 2 platoons of guardsmen. Assuming of course rapid fire and FRFSRF still work.

>>52877886
im actually excited for a new edition

my orks will be unstoppable!

>>52879278
Boy I sure love when /tg/ discusses topics without having any knowledge of it and not having read the relevant topics.

>>52879330
>this much clutter
>not expecting wounding a land raider with a 4+ to wound with las rifles
Oh you cutie pie

>>52879239
Ask the Black Templar players

>>52879108
Where'd you hear 5 books from? The Q&A?

>>52879373
Good to know my Techpriests will still have purpose.

>A red-robed-robot and his cyborg zombies wacking a machine like a motherfucker to keep the Russ combat effective.

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>my wych cult might actually be a playable thing soon

https://twitter.com/GeekJockPete/status/856600913548652547
we AoS now

>>52879387
Cannot be affected by fear, terror or other psychological effects. Probably also automatically passes break tests whether you want them to or not.

Greenwing don't get anything

>>52879420
>Boy I sure love when /tg/ discusses topics without having any knowledge of it and not having read the relevant topics
yes that's why I'm asking but ok anon thanks anyway

>>52878852
>You didn't need allies, you needed an actual faction instead of a handful of units.

So, we can never get a new faction ever again? Because there's basically no way GW is going to make a full range of models for a completely untested army and if they aren't able to be played with the limited releases they might get they won't sell enough to ever make it to a full range.

>>52878904
Doesn't really matter, they still don't have fliers and transports.

And what about armies which just aren't thematically suited to being a full force? Inquisitors and assassins are never going to work as an army by themselves, but they are fun models and should have a role to play.

It's not like allies were even a major element of the broken nature of 7th edition army lists. The fact is that some codexes were just much stronger than others. I fully expect this to be the case in the new edition too and since this system basically removes all the complicated options all that happens is that the abusive overpowered shit the designers want to be abusive and overpowered remains because it's 'thematic' while the shitty armies don't even have the hope that the retards writing the rules might accidentally allow them to have something good.

>>52879398
That's assuming the Land Raider doesn't have any sort of re-roll able save or FNP equivalent.

But yeah, you might get lucky and have a concentrated amount of fire from 1000 Lasgun and point blank range deal a hullpoint. Just a dozen to go after that.

>>52879401
>implying they'll be buffed
>implying there won't be nu orkz that will be the good orkz
>implying 5 of them won't cost the same as meganobz
I hope you're ready to get nuorkz, the ones you have are shit and will remain shit

OH BOY A NEW LEADERSHIP MECHANIC TIME NOW IT'S MY TIME TO SHINE WITH ALL THE FEAR BONUSES I GET IN EXCHANGE FOR-

>all marines are immune to psychology

Who won the Octarius War?

stream?

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Here's hoping the roll Skitarii and Cult Mechanicus into one army.

Also really hoping one of the new factions is a Rogue Traders household troops/mercs.

>>52879494
>Because there's basically no way GW is going to make a full range of models for a completely untested army

What is the Horus Heresy.

What is your argument is retarded as fuck for suggesting that bandaids should be allowed to ruin the game to fix temporary issues instead of just sucking it up until your faction gets more shit.

>>52879501
n-no!

my killa kans will be amazing

>>52879513
Orks under Ghazkgull.

>>52879494
>And what about armies which just aren't thematically suited to being a full force? Inquisitors and assassins are never going to work as an army by themselves, but they are fun models and should have a role to play.

Maybe they should be FUCKING ROLLED BACK INTO ANOTHER GODDAMN CODEX THEN

They were never a fucking standalone army until like 2 years ago because SURPRISE SURPRISE THEY DON'T FUCKING WORK AS A STANDALONE ARMY

Just put them in every fucking Imperial army if you have to, like they did with Stormtroopers in 2E or LotD in 5E.

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>>52879507
ALL WILL TREMBLE IN FEAR EXCEPT FOR 99% OF EVERYONE PLAYING

THE EIGHTH COMES FOR YOUR 1%!

AVE DOMINUS NOX!

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Watching the Livestream video, Foley is very adamant that Strength and Toughness are still in, which means no fixed To Wound rolls like AoS. He also said that whilst it might be possible to hurt something like a vehicle, it would not be likely with certain weapons. Extrapolating from that, and Shadow War, I think the To Wound chart is going to look something like this.

>>52879513
Orks. Ghaz showed up and tipped the scale. When he left though the Orks just let the tyranids regroup so that they could keep on fighting.

>>52879017
>Everyone except Imperium and Chaos confirmed for NPC races.
>Implying Tau and Eldar are not part of the party
>Implying any imperials except the space marines are

So the strategy is bulletsponge superheavies and "meleesponge" blobs of shit infantry to tie up enemy melee (I assume just dying and not fleeing from the new morale)?

>>52879584
>Implying Tau are part of the party

The major players are Chaos, "Imperium" (read: Space Marines), and Ynnari. It's literally spelled out for you on the new 40k website and even has pretty images for you neanderthals.

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>>52879465
>we did became AoS 40k
https://youtu.be/wcinzmfZeCc

>>52879584
Implying it isn't just Ultramarines vs Black Legion.

>>52879580

The To Wound chart could be condensed so that only major discrepancies between S and T matter. Sort of how melee To Hit is pretty much just 3+ or 4+ most of the time.

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>>52879580
No you got it entirely wrong. That stream ? All lies. Those articles on the community site ? All lies as well. 8th edition will be a carbon copy of AoS no matter what anybody tells you, you'll see ! You'll all see !

>>52879376
Hella lot more fun and interesting than 40k

The only people who think AoS has bad rules are the ones who haven't played it

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>>52879529
>cowardly grotz will become even more crippling
Look into your heart, you know this to be true

>>52879580
Why can't we just make toughness verses strength like the old AV system with rending?

Marines are toughness 7
Lasgun Strength 3
3+D6>7 to wound. Huzzah, no charts required.

Tank is T14
Autocannon S7
7+D6+another D3 if first roll a 6>14

This is so much easier than charts! Am I missing something that makes charts better?

>>52879558
>They were never a fucking standalone army until like 2 years ago
>What is Codex: Witch Hunters
>What is Codex: Daemonhunters

>>52879580
>this much clutter
Here, have this fixed hit and wound values

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What's the best way to run Inquisition now that we can basically pick and choose between the old codex and Imperial Agents?
Acolytes in the latter are only 4ppm (12 points for a stock unit) for a decent statline, plus they can buy Carapace Armor for 2ppm, Bolters for 1ppm, and Storm Bolters for 3ppm.
Would it be a good idea to run them with Carapace and Storm Bolters? It's 9ppm, but you DO get a decent unit.
Would it be best to keep them cheap? Go with basic Bolters and Carapace for 7ppm?
What other Inquisitorial models would be good to mix in?

>>52879654
That image always gives me the feels. I just want to hug her and comfort her and tell her it's okay and then ring the doorbell a bunch of times

https://www.strawpoll.me/12819985
https://www.strawpoll.me/12819985
https://www.strawpoll.me/12819985

It's time.

>>52879699
Nigga 8th is here, best to not listbuild.

>>52879558
If you think allies don't have a place in 40k you're a stupid cunt

The Imperium is made of loads of different factions and it makes perfect sense to have multiple of those factions on the field at the same time.

The same obviously goes for chaos, who would have traitor guard and daemons

>>52879687

Not standalone Inquisition? Because you notice those non-Inq shit in there like SoB and GK? Which was my fucking point, retard? Notice how there's TWO of those fucking codexes and they look nothing like Codex: Inquisition?

And you already have Inquisitorial Agents so why the fuck do you need allies.

>>52879715
All of them

What kind of berk restricts themselves to one set of armies for non-financial reasons?

>>52879716
It's just for a few games until 8th arrives. I just want to proxy in a few things I never tried as 7th draws to a close.

>>52879717
If you think allies are good for the game you're beyond stupid.

I am personally okay with all the changes they are doing to 40k. EXCEPT the fucking "EVERYTHING WOUDNS EVERYTHING HUR DUR" I mean in AoS i can tolerate it slightly because its a very melee centric game desu. But the moment you get fucking fucking exbox hueg hordes of Ork shootas,Conscripts and fucking nid dakkaspam taking down fucking Titans most likely you have a damn fucking broken ass game.

>>52879651
>getting paid with sigmarines to paint shit
>try AoShit
>it's shit
>general book
>friend decides we should try again
>still shit
>got rid of the round bases and got square ones
>found a group that have 5, 6, 7 and 8 ed?
>never look back
Again your game is shiiiiiiiit

>>52879717
Also eldar, harlequins and corsairs make sense with any of them

So, command points basically exist to buff deathstar units, don't they? Put most of your points into one giant murderbot and then start making out-of-sequence attacks, re-rolling it's failed saves, generally fucking up whatever you like?

>>52878535
There's no specific information on what this rule will actually be. Assuming that it'll be a blanket "charging units always hit first no matter what under every circumstance" is probably not reasonable.

>>52879717
It also makes perfect sense for marines to not die so easily. How about we give them all 2++ and 3 wounds each while their bolters are now AP1. It makes sense that way right?

Traitor Guard already exist as militia Renegades or as integrated Cultists and Zombies. Daemon and CSM mixed forces already exist as Daemonkin.

Next idiot in line, step up.

>>52879755
>5, 6, 7 and 8 ed
t. dark elf and vampire cunt cocksucker

I wonder if the hitch for vehicles will be something along the lines of more dice to roll the save on now? Sentinel is something like roll a 4+ taking the better of 2d6, Land Raider is 2+ on a 3d6 with AP modifiers effectively subtracting dice or adding some amount to each roll.

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>>52879715
>trying this hard to make your shitty misconception a meme

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>>52879725
>Sisters and GK aren't Inquisition
>wow you have a 7th edition codex why do you need anything in 8th edition

>>52879748
I don't give a fuck whether you think they're good for the game, this game is about representing the 41st Millennium

Also that's why they're introducing keywords, so buffs don't effect units they aren't supposed to

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>>52879705
You son of a bitch I'm dying of laughter right now

>>52879764
Deathstars without allies are shit unless you are Tzeentch or Eldar. Ultramarines are okay but nowhere near as strong as the previous two or allied mix deathstars.

GW were at least smart enough to separate most of the important deathstar components into other factions and/or the smartest players figured out the most min/max combos required multiple factions. Just like Tau aren't going to make good psychic deathstars.

>>52879755
You were probably just shit at the game, git gud

Loads of people are enjoying it, including hardcore 40k tournament players

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>>52879715

>>52879398
I think it would be just like wounding a Riptide with lasguns.

I mean, it works, but most of the time you'd be better off by just running or shooting something else.

>>52879750
I always thought it would be cool if, when you hit with enough lasguns, the enemy suffered an additional +1S hit because the heat of the lasbolts were a force of their own.

But this seems a bit much.

>>52879795
>SoB are Inquisition

What is the Ecclesiarchy.

>WELL SOB AND GK ARE INQUISITION SO WE NEED THEM IN OUR FORCES

Well they're in Inquisitorial Agents, why do you need more? You have what you want, you just want to keep ally cheese. You have no argument.

>>52879764
Keywords are being introduced to prevent silly deathstar combinations

Obviously some units will be stronger and tougher than others and they'll be ideal candidates for using command points, but the same goes for your opponent

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>>52879800
>mfw playing empire
Also I'm adapting warriors of chaos for sigmarines

>>52879796
>this game is about representing the 41st Millennium

Lol'd.

Where are the Hrud?

Where are the marines that don't die like grots?

>>52879679
That looks like a good solution to me.

>>52879779
Yeah, militia renegades which need to be allied to be used with chaos marines

>Daemon and CSM mixed forces already exist as daemonkin

And if you want to play anything other than Khorne?

You obviously have no real argument here dipshit

>>52879819
[Citation needed]
AoS is pretty much death in my area and no one shed a single tear

>>52879838
I mean IT MIGHT be balanced if like. 50 conscripts shooting 100-150 times do like one wound at most. But if that can instagib vehicles,MCs,or even superheavies they have fucked up 40k more than i tought possible since 6th edition was shit into this world.

>>52879863

Why are dark eldar penalized for going FAST?

>>52879855
Meant for>>52879781

>>52879523
They do have them listed as Adeptus Mechanicus on their site, if that is anything to go by.

>>52879888
Go look at the players for AoS in the ITC

>>52879679
Huh. Hadn't thought of a system like that.

Someone find a fault in this cause it feels too easy to go right

>>52879863
Which marines are you playing that die like grots?

>>52879890
Let's math it out!
150 conscripts
50 hits
Let's say 1/6 wounds= 8 hits
Lets say 1/6 don't save= 1-2 wounds on a tank with 12.


Now the problem is tedium. HOLY SHIT THAT MANY DICE!

>>52879863
Where are the bargeshi?
Where are the laer?
Where are the races that fit way better than fucking tau and aren't represented?

>>52879507
Im expecting know no fear to be "roll 2d6 and pick the better result" for leadership related mechanics

>>52879890

Instagibbing tanks is gone

It'll be balanced because a conscript is going to need a 6+/6+ to wound a tank with 12+ wounds and a 2+ save. That's 648 shots per wound.

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>>52879925
>A tournament represents popularity

>>52879679
Why do you roll an additional d3 when you roll a 6? If you're going to do exploding 6s why not make them d6?

Why not just make rolling a 6 automatically succeed?

You're adding too many dice rolls to maintain the illusion that everything can be damaged S1 can technically kill T14 with your rules but your lucky streak really has potential to slow the game down.

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>>52877886

So on a scale of 1 to 'this is not a drill, abandon ship', how excited is everyone for 8th edition?

Bit sad to see the old codex's go.

>>52879951
>he thinks MEQ is survivable
>he thinks power armor isn't worthless in AP2: the game

/tg/ would be a million times better and with a million less shitposting and arguments if idiots and scrubs stopped posting as if they knew anything about the game.

>>52879975
Its still beyond retarded.

TO PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT CODICES RECENTLY:
GW IS GIVING AWAY VOUCHERS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/24/just-bought-a-codex-dont-worry-weve-got-you-covered/

I'm genuinely impressed, props to GW for doing this.

>>52879956
That's when you throw misfortune on, so they all have rending.

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>>52879840
>What is the Ecclesiarchy
Not an army is what. Unless you're saying that Codex: Ecclesiarchy is fine, unlike Codex: Inquisition which is inexcusable? SoB serve as the effective chamber militant of the Ordo Hereticus, they're as Inquisition as Stormtroopers.

>they're in Inquisitorial Agents, why do you need more?
Because 8th is coming and Imperial Agents will be rendered obsolete?

>You have what you want, you just want to keep ally cheese
Nigga I don't even play Inquisition, or Imperium for that matter. I jumped in a couple posts back when I saw you spouting shit.

>>52879959
Probably in the minds of the sculptors

You can't just pick a thing and make it, there's logistics and shit to think about

I would fucking love more xenos, but they need to get their current shit in order first

>>52879991

My hype has escaped the atmosphere and is climbing towards Venus.

>>52879951
He means that die to small arms fire. It's unrealistic to the setting. AKA a Space Marine shouldn't die from getting shot by a Autopistol.

What are people expecting in terms of wargear and special rules in the new edition?

Are they going to try and do what they have tried every time before and have a big list of standardised stuff that most armies refer to?

Or is everyone going to get their own unique shit like in AoS? So ultramarines have ultra-pattern bolt guns, space wolves get wolf bolters, death guard have pestilent plaguebolters, etc. all with different rules?

>>52879925
>ITC
Stop this meme, ITC gathers the basement dwellers that for some reason collect the game, if you take the whole people that wanks to tiles from all over the country you'll probably gather a shit load of people but that doesn't mean most people wank to tiles

>>52879991
I kind of snuck off the ship a while ago.
There are certain thing I still want to do, like build that Deathwing army I've wanted to build since I've had the 3rd ediiton rulebook in my hands, but other than that I'm pretty much done with GW.

>>52879983
>citations aren't actual citations
>evidence isn't evidence
>numbers aren't numbers

Typical /tg/ moron. You literally leave no recourse for proving your argument wrong when your response is "this large amount of people playing AoS doesn't constitute proof of a large amount of people playing AoS."

>>52880015

Really? What has GW done to deserve this? Are you and AoS fan?

I'm quietly optimistic, it would take some serious effort to make 40K worse but I wouldn't put it past them.

>>52879991
Considering 40k is absolutely garbage as a game, there's nowhere to go but up.

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>>52880006
Thank you based anon. You are doing the Omnisiah's work.

>>52880005

You do realize that it isn't actually possible on average for conscripts to make over 6800 shots in one game, right? That's assuming tanks don't have more than 10 wounds.

>>52880006
They've done that for at least 1-2 years. They refunded people who bought rulebooks for 6E right before 7E dropped or something like that.

Old Kirby GW would never have done that shit though. They wouldn't even have announced 8E and just raked in the last minute sales.

>>52879983
Nothing to do with popularity, just citing the fact that 40k tourney players have been playing AoS tourneys instead

Popularity is going to change based on location, where a friend lives they play almost exclusively AoS, while down here where I live it's mostly 40k

Fact is it's a good fun game that works casually and competitively, but sperglords like to hateboner over it because they either haven't played it or tried it once and were shit at it because they can't get their heads around more freeform rules

>>52880040

> Famous last words.

>>52880025
Since its looking like they're pulling the popular stuff from AoS I'm guessing that wargear and all forms of personalization/customization are going to be a thing of the past. You just buy your SM Captain and he always comes with Power Sword/Storm Bolter/Power Armor/Iron Halo.

>>52880059

40k deserves to die for the horrific suffering its inflicted on its playerbase.

This is a chance to start healing.

>>52880057

> Old Kirby GW

It was old GW when 7th dropped and it still kind of is because Kirby is the deputy director.

>>52880010

Codex Inquisition already exists. You're the faggot who seems to think it's insufficient and should therefore be exempt from command point penalties from allying.

>SoB serve as the effective chamber militant of the Ordo Hereticus

No, they serve as the effective standing army of the Ecclesiarchy.

>>52879991
Sounds a million times better than the current game, I'm up for it

>>52879995
>He thinks that means they're as easy to kill as grots

Grav is shit for the game but it isn't literally every gun

>>52880006
>I'm genuinely impressed, props to GW for doing this.
They better be, that would be equally to stealing money, shit would had hit hard and fast if they hadn't do this

>>52880064
They've already confirmed that in one of the game types you'll buy wargear the same as we do now.

>>52880081
They serve as both, don't they?

>>52880010
>Because 8th is coming and Imperial Agents will be rendered obsolete?

Are you fucking retarded? Imperial Agents has its own fucking listing and hero image on the list of Imperial codex factions. You were ALREADY TOLD ONCE IN THIS THREAD to fucking educate yourself and read the topic material. Stop fucking discussing it if you haven't even looked at the information.

>>52880055
Some nigger somewhere is gonna figure out how to buff the conscripts and then the shit hits the fan.

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>>52880030
Warhammer Fantasy had a large ITC presence. Yet it was super unpopular. You can't just use a tournament to prove a game is popular anon. I am sure wherever you are the game is doing great and everyone is happy, but where I liveand also most of the world I could assume, AoS isn't that popular. I have seen it played maybe once or twice. So until you can give me some actual data on AoS sales(Cited) or some other form of evidence that isn't a half baked "Lol tournaments are popular" argument, you have nothing to stand on.

>>52880006
Holy shit, maybe this really is New Games Workshop (tm)

>>52880038

I'm an Ork player. Burning the game down and rebuilding it from the ground up sounds amazing because my army can only become more fun to play with.

But if you're genuinely interested in my opinion, the rules changes mentioned all look great, faster games sounds good, they're actually playtesting stuff and GW has done a lot since the Roundtree transition to earn a modicum of trust from me, community engagement being the biggest one. This is the same company that once bragged about not doing any customer research. Now they're playtesting with the community and doing livestreams of rules changes. I'm willing to trust them for the next edition. I mean hell, I have nothing to lose.

Oh, and I have tried AoS, but I wasn't sold. It was sort of alright, but some mechanics like shooting into melee and fixed wound numbers didn't sit well with me. Thankfully they seem to be avoiding those bits in 8th Edition, despite obviously taking some cues from AoS.

>>52879990
I was just using the current AV rending rule in that example. My point was to drop the chart because memorizing charts is a pain in the ass, whereas simple addition is so easy a 4 year old can do it...and DOES do it!

I don't think we would need more than 2 rolls on a dice if we add a second D6: A strength 1+6+6=13 wounding an T12 vehicle, which is roughly equivalent to a AV16 in current edition? I think we can manage this. Especially since it means a T10 land raider chich still has an armor save can only be wounded 13% of the time. If it gets a 2+ save on top, that's a wound for 3% of all S1 shots. Hardly effective on a W15 tank!

>>52880082

Grots are harder to kill than marines since they have many times more wounds point for point. Marines are actually easier to kill than grots. Have you ever seen an army of 600+ grots be tabled? EVER?

How many marine armies have you seen tabled?

Case closed.

>>52880105
I think the citation was more to prove the 40K tourney fags are the ones playing AoS on torneys, not that it's popular.

>>52880137
You're probably right anon.

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>>52880081
>Codex Inquisition already exists
And is also in its 7th edition. Is it that unreasonable to expect an update for 8th?

>You're the faggot who seems to think it's insufficient
I'm not. I started posting with >>52879687

>No, they serve as the effective standing army of the Ecclesiarchy
They do both. They actually are the Ecclesiarchy's standing army, but they EFFECTIVELY serve as the militant arm of the Ordo Hereticus because they are such close allies with such similar goals.

You need to calm down, Anon.

>>52880105
I think you and a couple other people got completely the wrong end of the stick

I cited the ITC listings as proof that 40k tournament players were playing AoS competitively and loving the rules

At no point did I say it was proof of popularity, that changes on a group-by-group basis

I've seen groups where AoS is barely played, and I've seen groups where AoS is pretty much the only thing played

Fact is, the game is gaining steam as more people learn how it's meant to work. I've only played a handful of games so far after playing 40k since 3rd edition and Fantasy since 6th, and I think it's great so far.

>>52880058
>sperglords like to hateboner over it because they either haven't played it or tried it once and were shit at it because they can't get their heads around more freeform rules
>freeform rules
So that's what AoS players call acting like you're on a horse for some mediocre ingame benefit.

At least now I hear you have an optional book that assigns points values to units and games instead of just throwing your collection/wallet at the other guy.

Maybe in another 20years they'll create a moderately interesting universe lorefags can get interested in again.

>>52880166
Instead of telling people to calm down on /tg/ 24/7, which I know you do, maybe you should think about being less retarded and then people wouldn't get so mad at you for being a retard.

Just a thought.

>>52880100
>I'm going to play a 7th edition codex in 8th edition
>Woah why dude? Like I know your faction is still around but those rules are totally unusable
>Because some guy told me that I should be grateful my faction even still exists and shouldn't be so selfish as to expect an update for 8th

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>>52879991
After eating one of these, I've calmed down and started thinking rationally. With 14 FOCs, there has to be army variation going around. And if GW actually managed to balance the game, then it's going to be great.

>>52880124

Some of my concerns are how they handle vehicle damage and that all the xenos races have been grouped into one 'faction'. Seems only a matter of time before they start streamlining them.

>>52880132
Well damn, I've never seen an army of 600 grots in the first place so you're technically correct

>>52880186
They should have just AoS'd that shit without blowing up the old world. Probably just wanted some way to copyright their new shit instead of being a generic Tolkien ripoff.

>>52877987

>ok sure, money match?

>>52880194

Where has 14 FoCs come from?

>>52880193
>whines about not being in 8E
>his army is literally on the list of armies to be featured at the start of 8E
>gets told so
>ABLOIOOBLOOGOOSBLO IMPLYING IMPLICATINOS

So you're fucking retarded.

>>52880186
No-one actually demanded anyone use the joke rules in the compendium

For sure, the General's Handbook took AoS from being a mess to being really good

I'm kind of getting into the lore, it has a lot of growing to do because hey, it's new, but I do enjoy the out-there super-high-fantasy in a different way to how I enjoyed WHFB lore.

>>52880194
EAT A SNICKERS ANONYMOUS

>>52880104

With what, +1 to wound son they only need 5600 shots?

Anyone have that pic of the fluff about the Sautekh Dynasty fighting daemons?

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>>52880187
>telling people to calm down on /tg/ 24/7, which I know you do
You don't know me, my man.

If you want to keep being angry for no reason, be my guest. Last (You) from me, though.

>>52879991
I am cautiously optimistic, pretty much everything looks like it'll be better than 7th, its not just a "change a few rules here or there" edition like 6th to 7th. What i want to see is a list builder from gw like corvus belli's army app, that is a living document, easily updated and generates a printable list.

>>52880200
For what it's worth, reduced effectiveness as more wounds are taken works fine in AoS. Monsters are commonly used.

Pretty sure they've only grouped xenos for the purposes of the website, they aren't all going to merge into one faction

>>52880225
The live stream. They confirmed a lot of things, and 14 FOCs are one of them.

>>52880243
But these are healthier and I can pretend I'm not fat if I eat more than one

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>>52880249
This one?

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>>52880193

IMPERIAL AGENTS IS ONE OF THE ARMIES LISTED ON THE 8TH EDITION WEBSITE YOU STUPID FUCK

As are GK and SoB as separate factions so you dumb niggers citing 2E codexes as proof of Inquisition encompassing those armies are retarded.

>>52879991
The game has steadily gotten worse over the past 15 years and is in a real shit state, so I can only hope it gets better.

Plus I play Deldar.

>>52880256

Pretty sure you were already told in the past that if you use that image, you prove you're retarded because the blonde chick is the idiot in that image, which is the whole point of the gag.

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>>52880180
>Mfw I vehimently hated AoS but got into it after the Generals Handbook dropped
It really was more fun than 40k.

>>52880269

I see, so are these going to be 14 in the rulebook or are there 14 scattered over all the new 'codices'?

If we had 14 generic FOCs like armoured division, mechanised company, planetary assault etc. etc. that every faction could use that would be quite cool.

>>52880307
Literally every tabletop is better than 40k in terms of gameplay.

>>52880328
Part of the base rulebook.

>>52880328
At least 3 are going to be for all armies, but there hasn't been said anything about army specific FOC so most likely those 14 are for all armies.

>>52880328
I think the implication is that they will end up being more generic and have separate benefits and restrictions.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/24/new-warhammer-40000-three-ways-to-play/

What exactly is the point of open play? Does there really need to be a mode of play based around just throwing whatever you want on the table?

>>52880194
>implying people will use anything beyond 2 probably 3
Yeah sure thing bud

>>52880127
Well I do like parts of that argument. In fact, most of it sounds good since it's maintaining the same count of rolls as in the altered image I do have one small quibble.

>W15 Land Raider
Thats going to take forever to kill. It's already boring whittling down 2+++ tau suits and 2++ rerolling Daemons and you want models with 15+ wounds BEFORE we get looking at superheavies?

Whats a knight going to be? 40 Wounds? What about a proper titan?

I'm here to kill shit, not watch someone count down from 40 in d6s one at a time. If they're serious about dropping the game time things are going to die-fast.

>>52880365
Open play is basically Unbound without point costs. So yeah, just throw minatures on the table and start rolling dice.

>>52880351
>>52880353
>>52880354

I never really hated formations, but when there was like 50 of them and some were formations made up of formation from obscure books that nobody owned it just became a nightmare.

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So, which groups will have actually been involved with the playtesting and how terrible are they? I looked up that front line gaming wish list someone suggested above and it looked fucking awful.

Overall, I'm sure the basic rules will be playable and potentially quite fun if not amazing. GW have honestly made a lot more good rules-sets than bad ones over the years.

What I actually care about though is points values. That's what has actually been fucked up consistently in 40k. 7th edition with reasonable points values would be a perfectly good game. The best rules set in the world won't save a game where some armies just get better value than others.

I'm seriously hoping that the playtesting was mostly in the form of 'here's how it's going to work, figure out what an appropriate value for that is' rather than 'tell me all your half-baked neckbeard fantasies about how the mechanics should work'.

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>>52880307
This pretty much seems to be the story for a lot of people in the last few months

General's Handbook dropped, we cautiously crawled out of our caves to inspect the latest offerings

A couple months later, decent sized groups having a good time playing it

I'm playing Tzeentch Arcanites, friends are playing Nurgle, Stormcast, Ironjawz, Sylvaneth, Seraphon (x2), Malignants (ghosty death stuff)

Feels good man

Looking forward to 40k being a mix of old and new stuff, the new rules sound really good. Monsters work well in AoS, and it sounds like they're doing the same for 40k. Gonna enjoy getting my Tyranids out again.

>>52880365
I think it'll be fun for some beer and pretzels games or the cool little thing like 'How long can my terminators survive against everyone's genestealers?'

>>52878667
I think stuff like Inquisitors should still have buffs to allies. I mean, that's what do.

>>52880365
I figure it's just encouraging people to give it a try

I've never tried open play in AoS yet, but I've heard it can be fun once you have an idea of what you're doing

It's also fine for new players who just want to throw some stuff down and play around

>>52880389
Big weapons are going to have damage values, so you're still going to be able to blow chunks out of stuff

I like that big anti-tank weapons are also going to inflict more damage on monsters and other chunky stuff now

>>52880365
It's to encourage people who just bought a start collecting set or whatever to face off without having to spend $400 buying 1500-1850 worth of stuff.

>>52879133
Yea I never understood that autism. My captain = Castellan, chapter master = marshall, sword brethren = vets etc.

>>52880406
As long as the model cost is tied to point value in-game this will never be solved.