Age Of Sigmar General /aosg/

>>52838272
WHERE IS THE DAMN KHARADRON OVERLORDS BATTLETOME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

So I want to play Stormcast Eternals.

But I'm kinda hestitant to because, presumably, everyone and their dog plays them.

Is that the case?

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>>52838298
If you're too poor to buy it, you shouldn't play Steampunk Dwarf Capitalists.

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>>52838333
Who cares? Join the club, no need to be a faction hipster.

They get lots of attention from GW, which is good in that you get new models and shit.

Do any of your close friends play them? Try to beat him in a mirror match, displaying your skill and dominance.

pic unrelated

>>52838408
I still can't decide whether I love or hate the top hat. Think I'm leaning towards love.

>>52838449
It's fucking gold, I love it.

henlo duardin
helllo you STINKY KHARADRON OVERLORD
go mine some aether gold ugly

>>52838501
>>52838449
It's like a Dwarven Monopoly Man

SO, going to convert Glottkin into a GUO - could someone recommend me a kit that I might take a sword from that isn't going to look comically small?

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Are Greenskinz even a thing in AoS? Is their Start Collecting usable like most of the others SC! or it's just a mix of not-well selling models? Also what about expanding the army after SC? It has something like 540~ pts IIRC - buying two of them is a good idea for 1k army?

>>52838643
Sylvaneth Spirit of Durthu sword, maybe?

>>52838683
You will never win vs a properly kitted out Battletome Army

>>52838643
If you don't mind it not being a sword, you could make a huge ass flail out of the skaven plague furnace.

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>>52838712
Well, then fuck me

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Freeguild spearmen have a 2" range. I've based mine on round 25mm circles. With base to base, this should allow 3 ranks to fight, should it not? 3rd rank extends 0.5mm into the enemy front like.

Is this being gamey or legitimate?

>>52837563

>I prefer games to be awful.

Gocha.

>>52839530
You've got a glorious greek phallanx there. It's legitimate and based as fuck!

>>52838643

Make one out of plasticard. Scratch building nurgle stuff is piss easy because it doesn't matter if it looks ropey.

>>52839983
Alcatani Fellowship from WHFB 5th ed. Not mine, I wish it was.

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>>52839966
Can you please keep this argument to yourself? You faggots have shitted up two threads now with this argument, there's no point to continuing.

>>52840019
Perry sculpts. Guess GW was getting desperate and pinched one of their historicals side-projects so they wouldn't have to wait on a sculptor. :P

OI! Lookz loik we got 'erselves a right proppa orky thred!

Whiles wez on da subjeck, how wud two Grot Rock Lobbas fit in a proppa Ironjawz army, ignorin' battlelines an' such. Good support for da brutes, or not orky?

>>52840131
Puny orkz, ogors are the true chosen of Gorkamorka

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This is my freeguild spear block. Will autistes rage if I use 3 ranks?

>>52840247
>measure from weapon
>can't hit dwarfs
:^(rawr)

Are Gutbusters a decent army for a new player? I just like the idea of being massive, mercenary, smash-shit-to-bits assholes.

>>52840247
Even if you measure from bases, as long as the first rank is in base contact, all 3 should be able to reach them.

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>>52840131
>Shootin' gitz with rokkz
>Not krumpin' gitz with rokkz good and proppa'
YOU'Z IZ MUKKIN ABOUT

>>52840329
>FW will never bring that model back

Why da zog shud I live?

And squishin' ratz wiff shootin' rokkz ain't so bad! It's a real laff seein 'em big rokkz come outta da sky and splat 'em good!

>>52840401
>Locate local garden
>Pilfer rocks
>Glue together
Problem solved

>>52838791
I might get that anyway since Sword and Flail are the GUO's weapons

>>52840012
I'm only just getting ok at greenstuff, plasticard still scares the shit outta me

Kharadrons, disposseseds and fyreslayers. What kin of dwarfs is un better state atm?

>>52840500
Kharaharadaaedons. Their shit is incredible.

Fyreslayers are dogshit. Dispossessed are average

>>52840500
Fyreslayers are unplayable without a trust fund, Kharadron are fun but wonky, and Dispossessed will literally never win an objectives game.

>>52838683
Greenskinz makes a nice core for a Destruction army but they're limited by themselves. 2xSC boxes isn't bad to get in at 1000pts but after that you may want to start bringing other factions to round out.

Never played AoS or fantasy. How are seraphon? They look cool and I'm super tempted by their start collecting box

>>52840650
Good but not great, get fucked by mortal wounds, all their formations are traps.

>>52838333

Not really, they're like empire in fantasy in terms of popularity

>>52840650
Well the sprues in it are ancient, most of mine were 2002 and I had to cut the flat strips off the models to stick them on the round bases.

>>52840720
Had same problem with skaven weapon teams. I put them on square bases and then on round bases so they look like standind on hilltop

WHERES THE FUCKING BATTLETOME

>>52841183

Sitting on my desk?

>>52841183
THEY WILL NEVER EVER RELEASE A SKELLY BATTLETOME THEY JUST WANT TO FLOG OFF AS MANY NAGASH MODELS AS POSSIBLE

>>52838712
WRONG!!! Everything can beat shitty plague rats

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>>52841498

>>52839530
Officially bases are only intended to make a model stand up and aren't intended to be a factor of the pile in mechanic. Gw's position is Movement/Charge distance is supposed to be the determining factor of reach and not model size or shape, its not incorrect in the rules to turn Stormcast Prosecutors sideways and measure from their wing tips and should be no less cheesy than it would be unfair the have a unit of 12 that could you could never get more than 3 of in base to base.

So in the Sylvaneth There is the Ironbark Wargrove.

Would that allow for some KO shenanigans?

Artycle: Settle the Grudges
Amendment: Prosecute Wars with All Haste
Footnote: These are Just Guidelines

Aetheric Navigator
Doughty Champion

Iron Sky Squadron:

Arkanaut Company (10)
3 light skyhooks

Arkanaut Company (10)
2 volleyguns, 1 skypike

Arkanaut Company (10)
2 volleyguns, 1 skypike

Arkanaut Frigate
Heavy Skyhook
Magnificent Omniscope

Arkanaut Frigate
Heavy Skyhook
Magnificent Omniscope

Endrinriggers (3)
Aethermatic Volley Gun, Drill Cannon

Endrinriggers (3)
Aethermatic Volley Gun, Drill Cannon

Grundstok Gunhauler
Sky Cannon

Grundstok Gunhauler
Sky Cannon

Aether Khemist
Autotinkerer

Aether Khemist
Autotinkerer


Each frigate has a unit of arkanauts and a khemist, guarded by gunhauler and riggers. They charge up the board and kill as much as they can in the first two turns. The other unit and the navigator sit on the back objective in line of sight to give the buff.

Should be fun. Probably not the best list at 2k, but shouldn't get shit on I don't think.

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Soon

>>52838683

On their own they are bad above 2k, but make the best way to make the backbone of orruk armies that mix groups.

>>52842324
Not that anon, but how would you mix them and Ironjawz?

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MAKE WAY FOR YOUR ONE TRUE KING

MIGHT MAKES RIGHT
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT
MIGHT MAKES RIGHT

>>52840479

Nothing to be scared off, at least not with something as simple as a sword. Plasticard is dead easy to work with and like I say you can get away with it looking a bit gash because it's nurgle.

Buy a sheet and give it a bash, the only way to improve is practice.

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Where the whiney baby KO players who refuse to play games if they have to follow the rules in their tomes at?

stop being special snowflakes expecting special treatment.

>>52842618

What?

>>52842618
Shit tier bait, everyone carry on.

>>52842645

I don't even get the bait?

>>52840669
why is shadow strike a trap? 6 ripperdactyls can always make their points back.

>>52842722
It's the same argument that took over both the previous thread and the one before it.

>>52842796
Assuming you're playing matched play, the rule of one leaves ripperdactyls vastly inferior to terradons.

>>52842817

Oh the paint thing?

>>52842722

Buttmad autist who thinks the new KO book forces players to paint their armies a certain way to get certain rules.

He's retarded and has basically been shitposting none stop since the BT came out.

Just ignore him, hopefully his crippling loneliness will cause him to kill himself soon enough.

What armies are top tier, what armies are mid tier and what armies are low tier? Also how much stronger is a top tier army than a mid tier army?

>>52842854

Gotcha - yeah I figured no one was even taking that seriously given how ludicrous it is.

>>52842185
Gunhaulers are shit, replace them with an Ironclad or something

>>52842862

> 1-Aethershittrike

>The rest of armies

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don't get hoodwinked into letting KO players pick and choose what sky-port affiliation they want during the set up phase.

Their rules require them to paint that ports colors if they want that ports bonuses

the ports behind paint gates
>>52809483
>>52809500
>>52809516

paint gate rules in pic related

if they don't paint it they can pick other abilities from a "default" list. The good ones are locked for a reason.

>>52842945
SOMEONE POST THE TOME REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52842945
Stop trying to derail the thread, anything of value that could have been said on the topic has been said two threads ago.

>>52840124

No this was just a time when GW still made interesting models.

Fluff wise I think I like Barak Mhornar more but I like Barak Urbaz rules wise. I've never done an 'official' GW paint scheme before and I kind of want to this go round so I'm not sure which direction to go.

>>52842945

How mad are you going to be once they release a Day 4 FAQ clarifying this?

>>52842945
Nah

>>52843009
Just sayin' that it's a massive coincidence that GW got some sculpts that look like historicals from some sculptors who sculpted historicals in their own time.....

>>52842839

3 Terradons:
Sunleechbolas 2.6 wounds
Razor sharp beak 6.75 wounds
Cargo 3 mortal wounds
9.35 wounds and 3 mortal wounds

Ripperdactyls:
Warspears: 1.6 wounds
Slashing claws: 6.8 wounds
Vicious beaks: 10.9 wounds
19.3 wounds

Against 3+ save
Terrordons 6.1 wounds
Ripperdactyles 6.3 wounds

Terrordons and ripperdactyls will do similar damage against 3+ saves but against 4+ or higher ripperdactyles will always do more. Terrordons are only better if you have a skink starseer but the damage is highly variable where ripperdactyls are much more consistent.

Why are Stormfiends good? People always just say they're great but no one explains. I'm not challenging that they are, I just want to know how to use them since I just came in to two boxes. Should they be magnetized?

>>52843150
Warpflame throwers melt units, we are currently in a mortal wounds meta.

>>52843178
What units spit out the most mortal wounds?

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>>52841773
>Pestilens
>Not being shockingly awesome against all but the most WAAC lists

I have beaten shit i had no right in destroying with 100+ Monks

Step up son

>>52843178
Is that the only way to run them?

>>52843230
>>52843240
I'm not going to write a list for you, read your own damn warscrolls.

>>52843240
They are one of the candidates for a serious points increase along with Kurnoths and all the other 'competitive' top tier units

No way those fuckers are staying at 300, so if you've 2 units be ready to not use them both in smaller games. Just build 3 for shooting and 3 for melee, have a variery of guns but focus on one type of melee weapon i say

>>52840650
Good, above average pretty much across the board on a unit by unit basis, but every new release brings out the new hotness and pushed seraphon further down the totem pole. They were designed with a different game in mind, one where mortal wounds are rarer.

The formations arent traps per say, but see above about them being designed for a different game. I run the bloodclaw starhost a lot now, with good success. Shadowstrike is really good for alphastriking to take out characters/warmachine crew. I think itll be pretty good for wrecking the new KO mortar teams.

Eternal starhost was once excellent and is now defrinately a trap, 3 units of overpriced infantry and a character that doesnt add a lot for a formation that doesnt actually help vs the actual weaknesses of said expensive unit.

>>52843144
That assumes in range of the toad too right?

What must be said though is how rare mortal wounds are in seraphon, and I think that weights terradons a little higher vs rippers.

So I just picked up KO and AoS in general. I must say writing army lists for AoS is a very different animal than 40k - all the 'pieces' are so large in comparison. I'm enjoying it even if I have no idea what's good and what's not.

>>52842945
That's fine. The sky-port I like most uses the colours I was going to use anyway.

Just try not to get your tears over your opponents better painted army when they sweep your grey tide off the board.

>>52842945
>Rules finally enforce painting in some way

Lazy faggots BTFO

>>52843527
>I'm enjoying it even if I have no idea what's good and what's not
Since you came from 40k, you'll find that the unbalance here is not even a fraction of the unbalance you have in 40k right now.

So get comfy and just pick the models you like.

Unlike 40k you won't get stuck with a lame codex for years.

I may be blind but I don't see anything indicating that models must be painted in particular colors to get particular rules.

Is this trolling?

>>52843527
Fucking this
>>52843663

Youd be suprised how close the relative power levels of lists can be. Especially compared to 40k. 'Just pick what you like' is a viable armybuilding strategy.

>>52843747

There isn't anything - its mindless trolling that gets a rise out of people.

>>52843747
50/50

The rules are in that page some anon post, and until the obvious FAQ that rules about paint schemes are true

But is true that no decent human being in the world is gonna bitch you about your scheme election and that is almost a fact

>>52843747
see
>>52842945
specifically
>You can organise your collection Kharadron Overlords miniatures as as fleet from one of the major sky ports simply by painting it in the sky ports colours.
I think it's a stupid rule that kills creativity and custom schemes

>>52843747
Its either trolling or some grognard. Its like chapters in 40k, nobody holds you to it, you just pick the rules you like best and use them.

>>52843824
>>52843847

Its as if people don't actually play GW games when they post things like this. When - in the entire history of their business - has GW ever dictated what colors you MUST paint a model? The concept that this would be an INTENDED rule is mind boggling. Did they write it poorly when it could taken to mean that? Sure but clearly, based on their entire history, GW would never write a rule that dictates how you have to paint a model.

Allegiance: Destruction
Orruk Warchanter (80)
Savage Big Boss (100)
- General
- Granite Choppas
- Trait: Bellowing Tyrant
- Artefact: Battle Brew
5 x Orruk Brutes (180)
5 x Orruk Brutes (180)
5 x Orruk Brutes (180)
3 x Orruk Gore Gruntas (180)
10 x Savage Orruks (100)
10 x Savage Orruks (100)
10 x Savage Orruks (100)
30 x Savage Orruk Arrowboys (300)
Aleguzzler Gargant (180)
Grot Rock Lobber (100)
Grot Rock Lobber (100)
Ironfist (60)
Kunnin' Rukk (60)

Total: 2000/2000

Thoughts?

>>52843821
Until you get to serious tournaments at least. Then your favourite list will probably get destroyed by one of the current power lists, but you don't have to worry about that if you aren't into high level competitive playing I suppose.

>>52843747

"You can organize your collection of Kharadron Overlords miniatures as a fleet from one of the major sky-ports simply by painting it in the sky-port's colours."

>colours
>not colors

obviously this rule only applies in/to British places.

>>52843951
Actually it means it applies to everywhere except the USA, but that doesn't matter since nobody there paints their models anyway.

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>>52843907
>ever dictated what colors you MUST paint a model?

>What is Red paint job

>>52843995
You don't have to actually paint them red, you just pay for the upgrade.

Some tips to counter sylvaneth kurnoth hunters with bows? I play tzeentch and i see them very powerful

>>52843994
>Start a KO army
>Don't paint them, not even a base coat
>Can play as any port I want

I should just do this with my SE's, that way I can play any stormhost without being forced to play with the Hammers of Sigmar warscroll

>>52844026
None of the Stormcast Eternal batallions are paint locked, though.

If you are painted Hammers of Sigmar but want to use the Anvils of the Heldenhammer rules, you can as long as you take the prerequisite units.

>>52844040

>Doesn't understand the difference in can and must

>>52844040
that's good, but I could still paint my SE as Celestial Vindicators if I decide to go that way. So far I plan on just going with Hammers of Sigmar because I already have the paints

I kinda like the idea of a solid gold army

>>52844004
100% had to back in the day, same with Traitor legions telling you to paint your csm appropriately

Consider this: 'Encouraging' painted forces means more paint sales. GW likes selling paint.

>>52844094

As a long time CSM player you are full of shit. At no point in THE Chaos codex were you required to paint your models in a specific way.

>>52844091
You can paint your SE any way you want, paintjob has literally zero influence on which stormhost batallions you can access.

>>52844081
you can choose to organize by painting it and get the bonus for doing so

or you can choose not to paint it and not get that bonus.

seems pretty cut and dry to me.

it doesn't say you "must" paint it because you don't have to get the bonus from painting if you don't want to.

>>52844127

Fortunately in about 2 or 3 days there will be an FAQ for this and I'll be able to post and laugh at you.

>>52844124
I was just stating that I'm on the fence between Celestial Vindicators to make it fluffy when I play with their warscroll battalion or going with HOS because I like gold

>>52844143
source or btfo

Allegiance: Kharadron Overlords
Skyport: Barak-Mhornar
- Additional Footnote: There's No Trading With Some People

Arkanaut Admiral (140)
- General
- Trait: Opportunistic Privateers
Aether-Khemist (100)
- Artefact: Aethershock Earbuster
10 x Arkanaut Company (120)
- 3x Light Skyhooks
10 x Arkanaut Company (120)
- 3x Aethermatic Volley Guns
6 x Endrinriggers (240)
- 2x Drill Cannons
Arkanaut Frigate (280)
- Main Gun: Heavy Sky Cannon
- Great Endrinworks: Incredible Self-healing Hull

Total: 1000/1000

A few days before release I saw somewhere some post this list somewhere, they didn't specify which artifact or additional footnote (so I went with what I think is okay). They said the plan was to have the skyhook guys just camp somewhere shooting guys, the volley gun guys + admiral + khemist in the frigate zooming around jumping out and blasting guys to bits. I guess the riggers are there for repairs and/or to shoot/hit stuff.

Is there any merit to this list?

>>52844154

Logic? There are clearly enough of you retards out there who think that GW would dictate how you have to paint your minis that they'll address it and be done with it.

>Three threads officially full of shit about KO paint

Thanks trolls get some cancer

>>52844181

My only concern with that is that by loading the Admiral + Khemist + Company in a Frigate you are losing 2 points of movement.

>>52844113
>At no point in THE Chaos codex
Not talking about the books they produce now you dumb nigger

Go read the 3.5 CSM and the old Gorka Ork dex if you were even alive when these were released. Or don't and stay uninformed and retarded I'm done with you now.

>>52844225

When I say THE Chaos codex I mean the 3.5 codex you double nigger. Any CSM player knows that that is the only real codex we've ever had.

>>52844222
Yeah, that was my concern too. The list creator reasoned that with the Admiral on board letting the frigate run and shoot it helps counter the hit to mobility.

>>52844191
>retards out there who think that GW would dictate how you have to paint your minis

don't take my word for it. Read the rules yourself. >>52842945

if you're in denial about it that's your problem. Maybe they will FAQ it away but until then painting is officially required to claim certain bonuses.

>>52844252

I guess that's fair. It helps even that back out - though I'd still probably shell out the extra points (at 2k at least) for an Ironclad instead.

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>>52838272
Tourny Death anon here;

I think Im gonna take a breath from Death for a while.

Not gonna lie. 2 losses and a draw.

First game was against Tzneetch; I got tabled by turn 4, and only killed 1 exalted flamer. Game mode was 3 places of power, my hero's were wiped. Necrosphinx got wiped by 9 Flamers. Oppenent was a WAAc who talked very little, and based his shit in Moon Dough.

Game 2 was against stormcast, I got stuck in a Liberator mosh pit, and couldnt grab nor contest the enemy objective. The Necrosphinx was torn apart by the Stormcast hunters. This was an older gentleman who didnt talk and had blood red gums.

3rd game was a loss. This time it was blades of Khorne, running shit tons of Blood Letters and Chariots. Necrosphinx did marginally better, wiped a Chariot, 20 blood letters, and a herald before he popped some Blood tithes to bring it down. My oppenent this time spent 25% of the game texting, 25% looking at other tables, and 50% playing.

I think im gonna wait for the Dark elf release though. This was a really, really painful, and disheartening day.

Im sorry papa Nagash; I failed you.

>>52844291
What was your list?

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>>52844291
>Dark elf release
our day is coming

>>52843995
>>52844004
>>52844094

I would 100% encourage people to paint their army to match their rules, since I think it adds to the fun, but there is a difference between the Orks, in which you get a lot of freedom in how you apply the colour, and what some people think the KO rules should be like - where it needs to match their scheme exactly.

I would personally be fine if they just had elements of the Skyports colours on there in some way. Even if it was just a little design on the roundel.

>>52844262
Measuring from model to model with bases being purely for aesthetic is also required by the rules.

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>>52844400
Pic related, I had come here a while back for advice.
>>52844400
Please, I've always liked Dark Elves and Dark Eldar. They've just unfortunately been shit in both games as of late.

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they heard some of you needed some help complying with the new rules...
https://youtu.be/EJvEfku2Hb8

Never used a canon paint scheme before, not about to start. I don't mind if I have to use the inferior rules.

>>52844566

Not that I care about the rules debate but I hope they do a paint video for each of the 6 majors.

>No one has posted the PDF or ebook download of KO yet

Please senpai, I need it

Are Wanderer cool? Really like the looks of them, but no idea if they can hold up in the game.

Also, do they need to be green? I am kinda thinking about a blue-ish colour pattern.

>>52844843
>Legacy army
>Hold up in a game
Pick one

First shot at a 2k list.

Barak-Mhornar (Fearsome Raiders)
Artycle - Seek New Prospects
Amendment - Prosecute Wars With All Haste
Footnotes - Who Strikes First, Strikes Hardest and

>Arknaut Admiral - Opportunistic Privateers
>Aetheric Khemist - Auto-tinkerer
>Arknaut Company - 3x Aetheric Volley Guns
>Arknaut Frigate - Heavy Skycannon, Self Healing Hull

>Aetheric Khemist
>Arknaut Company - 3x Light Skyhooks

>Aetheric Khemist
>10x Grundstock Thunderers - Aethershot Rifles

>Arknaut Company - 3x Skypikes
>Arknaut Frigate - Heavy Skyhook

>3x Endrinriggers - Volley Gun, Drill Cannon
>3x Endrinriggers - Volley Gun, Drill Cannon

>6x Skywardens

The Admiral ball rolls around and volley guns people's faces off and keeps their boat alive. The Skyhook unit basically fulfills a back field objective holder with 6x Skyhook shots a turn and the Skypike company acts as monster hunters hopefully heading out fast in their Frigate that is pulling forward with its hook. The riggers hang around both boats and try to keep them running while adding some firepower to boot and the Skywardens help finish off any combats I need a hand with.

>>52844843
They don't really hold up amazingly well in game, but with legacy units they become a little more useful, since Waywatchers, Warhawk Riders and Glade Riders play up their strengths a lot (and that is shooting and being a pain in the arse to catch).

You can paint them whatever colour you want, but if they aren't green, I won't let you use your waywatchers ability since they can't blend in with their surroundings if they are blue.

Kidding aside, if you was to use waywatchers, I think blue cloaks hidden under all that foliage will look kinda neat

>>52843995
I just want pictures of Orks painting up KO airships now.

Are Seraphon as shit as everyone says they are?

I just want dinosaurs and to not get shit on.

>>52845152
ctrl+f "Seraphon" in this thread, it was asked like twice.

>>52845152

Seraphon are certainly not shit like that, most of the grumbling in this thread has more to do with their battalions being kinda crap

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Did you guys see the Revenant Legions yet?

>>52844865
That bad? Friend of mine plays Empire and they seem to do prety well.

>>52845208

Straight up compendium armies do fine (as do free guild) but legacy aelves in general are kinda lackluster

>>52845208
Most legacy armies who aren't TK don't hold up against more modern battletome armies. In general, legacy armies have lack of keyword support and mortal wounds, both of which are big in this current time.

>>52845208
Because what's not to love about a unit of 30 hand gunners standing still after being ordered to hold the lone hit on 2s and wound on 2s?

>>52845250
The standing still part, mostly.

>>52844843
Might be a little surprising, but Wanderer have one of the most resilient infantry units in the game. A huge blob of 30 Eternal Guard with all the support you can give them won't budge (2+ rerollable save, -1 to hit against ranged, rolling a 6 or more returns a mortal wound in CC.. and that is only with Wanderer support) unless the enemy tosses stupid amounts of mortal wounds on them.. not to mention that there is very little that wants to engage that unit in close combat.

Yes, against Aetherstrike and the likes you will have problems, but in 'normal' games they will hold nicely.

So, a friend of mine traded me his Stormcasts, which include two units of Vanguard Hunters, A Lord-Aquillor and a squad of Liberators.
They seem fun, so what's a good way to branch out from there?

https://mega.nz/#!TwYxjbqT!n0sWcNzhh-83hK8naPsAORW24JXJV5nY3GLDGkJYrSM

No epub version, because everyone feed the troll. Seriously, he is easy to spot and ignored.

>>52845571
Thank you anon

>>52845481

>two units of vanguards

So 10 in total or 20?

Palladors go very well with the Aquilor and raptors are good for any list.

>>52845735
10 total, he only ever picked up the one box.

>>52845571
two thumbs up

>>52845758

Sounds good.

Two units of 5 vanguard and one unit of liberators will be all the battleline you need so start looking into power units like Paladins, dracothian guard or palladors.

You might want to add shooting to your taste, raptors with longstrikes are always good

>>52845571
Thanks m8, quality download

>>52845481
Depends on what you want to do. You have the Leader and Battleline you need to start an army, so pick what you want next. More Hunters makes you really finesse-y. Paladins makes you super punchy. Raptors with Longstrikes and Judicators makes you really shooty. Stormcast can do a bit of everything.

>>52842371
>leader of an entire faction
>completely ignored in endtimes
Who is this irrelevant fat fuck that got killed offscreen to call himself king of anything?

>>52844497
Hey anon. I gave advice on your list a couple of threads back. I'm sorry it didn't work out. Do you know how things could have gone better? From the sounds of it, it was the Necrosphinx that let you down but I imagine there was more to it than that.

If you were to play any army based on looks what would it be

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How do you guys feel about third party models.

I got into Empire because their was a whole range of 3rd party models I could use to spice up my army, but on one of the major AoS forums they seem to be full on against it.

I don`t use them all in a single battle, but this is what I have so far.
Skink Starpriest (100)
Skink Starseer (160)
20 x Skinks (160)
15 x Saurus Guard (300)
10 x Chameleon Skinks (240)
3 x Terradon Riders (140)
Bastiladon (300)
Any suggestions on where I can go from here? I know that salamanders and razordons are pretty decent, but they never go on sale. Should I just get some Start Collecting boxes or something? I heard that Carnos and Trogs weren't that great so I've avoided them so far.

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>>52846644
I dig it.
I personally love 3rd party shit if you can find the right shit nad it fits.
shine on your crazy diamond

>>52846644
If I were forced to use plain GW miniatures I wouldn't be in the hobby. Converting helps and is GW sanctioned however.

>>52840500
I actually want to eventually try running a list with all 3 of them. I doubt it'll be much good but I feel like it'd be fun to see. Airships for fast, ironbreakers for sturdy, and fyreslayers for melee if I had to guess. Be nice if we someday got a battalion that let them synergise.

>>52840541
Miners, gyrocopters, and quarrellers with Josef Bugman are my answer to that personally. (Also Grombrindal if people let me use him.) I've had entertaining games where almost half my dwarfs pop up afterwards.

Anyone made any custom skyport fluff yet?

Also if anyone cares, the city-names translate as follows:
Barak-Urbaz "Trade Gate"
Barak-Zilfin "Windswept Gate"
Barak-Mhornar "Shadow Gate"
Barak-Thryng "Temple/Ancestor Shrine Gate"
Barak-Nar "Sunrise Gate"
Barak-Zon "Sun Gate"

>>52846644

They sound like fully paid up GW shills. You should be able to use whatever you want with the exception being in a GW store in which it's fair enough that they want you to use their models.

>>52846644

Empire in whfb had one specific culture with multiple regional differences and could be a decent proxy for about 3-4 other human nations

Free people probably have more ethnic groups and distinct cultures than modern earth

So yeah feel free to use whatever models you like for them

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>>52847181

Do different factions play differently or is it either you're shooty or you're assaulty? Is there anything 40k players should be warned about 're: aos-ized 8th ed?

>>52840534
>Kharaharadaaedons

would have to be legit retarded to mispronounce a simple name

>>52842127
Do KO have duardin keyword? If they have you can use them

Start collecting Kharadron Overlords when?

Thinking of doing an Archmage on Steed conversion using the White Lions/Swifthawk Chariot kit as a base.

Looking at sprues online, it seems like there's three full bodies in the the kit but I can't quite tell. Anyone able to confirm if there is or not?

>>52844873
They are hard to design for. Taking a lot of ships just seems like a point sink for poor return other than just being cool and fluffy.

Why am I taking ships when the best stuff is the generic battleline. In groups with the skyhooks these guys shoot as well as pretty much any dedicated archers in the game. 40x with a Khemist is 24 skyhook shots, d3 rend-2 each. They even hit on 3+/3+ against monsters and heroes so basically anything gets melted in one volley. They also screen themselves and have 30 wounds of automatic look out sir. Just go generic allegiance and get a Hurricanum or Loremasters and foot slog around deleting everything.

>>52845571
Please dear anon, ignore the trolls. Post the epub.

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>>52845205
>The local AoS players at my LGS will be telling me all about these "new" skeleton models for weeks

End my suffering.

>>52846644
Is it The Grand Alliance? Those folks are friendly but they sure have an anti third party, anti conversion attitude that really irks me.

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Mfw my 60 man handgunner line ground down 100 goretide faggots and my 4 cannons killed all his heroes

>>52849785
Oddly enough, yes.

>>52845571
Anon of the day

>>52843847
>I think it's a stupid rule that kills creativity and custom schemes

It does not, it just means you don't get to play as a very specific, named sub-faction if you don't actually PLAY as that subfaction.

>>52849857
And my stormcast ruined the Ass hole of a free guild fag :^)

Deal with it autist

>>52849963
have fun charging my gunline while i overwatch you :^)

>>52849982
Stormcast... Freeguild. Why in fight when there is Chaos to be killed?

>>52849982
>teleports behind you
>gun line dies to close range missile spam

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>>52849857
Speaking of the Freeguild, in an idea I stole from Guildball, I'm thinking of basing a Freeguild army based off the idea that soldiers are drawn from a particular guild.

Like the Fishermen's guild from the Beast Realm, who use harpoons in battle and have made a steam tank out of a sea monsters' skull.

Or the Jewellers' guild from the Metal Realm, who use their gem covered shields to blind their enemies.

Or the Wine Makers' guild from the Life Realm who guard their blessed vine yards from the hordes of the plague gods.

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I'm still amazed at how tiny he is

>>52850191
Which one?

The FW GUO is fucking HUGE in comparison to the GW one

>>52850596
The Gul - i thought he would stand taller since he was so skinny

Guys I literally can't make up my mind if I want Woodaelf or Beastmen. What do? Flip a coin?

>>52851010
Flipping a coin works great I think. Because usually I find out what i actually wanted before the coin lands.

Doesn't always work though.

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Any hints for next army? Lovecraft-elves or grots-pirates?

>THE ARMIES OF THE MAN-GOD
>Although they had watched them from above, the Kharadron Overlords had thus far avoided the Stormcast Eternals. Although many duardin had voted to aid Sigmar’s cause and join the fight against Chaos, the Code stipulated when alliances could be forged. They watched the failed attack upon the Ironholds that guarded the Allpoints, and did not intervene. Only when the God-King’s followers began to build their cities did the sky-fleets join the fight alongside the Stormcasts.

wtf I hate the Kharadrons now

>>52851343
My guess is a Nurgle battletome, would fit right next to the Death Guard release

>>52851343
Nurgle and Deathrattle battletome

>>52845571
Been removed?

>>52845571
Link is kill :/

>>52851471
>>52851479
New dwarfs battletome? I have a epub, can upload if you need.

>>52851471
>>52851479
I've uploaded it to the main Mega in the pastebin

>>52851010
Beast men look cool but you will lose every game.

>>52850191
>anorexia vs obesity

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>>52850191
What is this all about?

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>>52849857
Prob the best army in the game

>>52851554
Depends on. If you toss some Warherds (and don't run against optimised SC or Emp lists) into that you at least get a close game out of it. Minotaurs and especially the doombull are literal rape machines.

Speaking of, I am thinking of updating the Bray/Warherd page on the Wiki to get it to 1.1. Been writing a little but realiying I am getting pretty wordy. How much it too much?

>>52851343
nurgle hopefully.

It's be an easy release and easy start collecting box.

> Great unclean One
> plague zombies (dual kit with marauder sized mini blightkings?)
> medium sized monster. ( maybe dual kit of beast of nurgle, tallyman on slug mount)

> start collecting could be 5 blight kings, gutrot spume, 10 human sized dudes, and medium monster

>>52842127
>>52847994

They do, and you can. Even the airships have the Duardin keyword.

>>52851348
Greedy little fuck dorfs

I love them

>>52849862
Third party models are a funky subject. Things like Mantic and shit are fine, but some people take it as free reign to start doing all types of stupid shit. We had a dude try to just pass off Space Marines as a full Stormcast army. It was funny at first but he showed no signs of wanting to do conversions or eventually replace them with actual models, and when we told him that was stupid he started huffing about us being retarded WYSIWYG faggots like it was our fault.

Slippery slope and all that.

>Compulsively buy a Glottkin to convert to GUO since no news
>Death Guard all but confirmed next release
>Still don't know if I'm getting a GUO

>>52851805
Do it! Buy 3 of them!

FW GUO is one of the best looking models ever. I don't even play Nurgle and I love it.

>>52851862
I almost did, but £120 is a lot to spunk on a single model with (and not to sound like a WAAC fucker, because I'm really not) iffy rules

>>52842945
Its retarded to claim that you have to follow the paint schemes

Its like saying that in order to get Ultramarines chapter tactics you need to have blue marines

/aosg/, tell me what can /40kfags/ expect from the new, AoS'd edition? (based on AoS launch) should the army balance improve? Should internal army balance improve? Should we be thrilled, or scared?

Allegiance: Kharadron Overlords

Skyport: Barak-Urbaz
- Additional Footnote: Today's Foes Are Tomorrow's Customers

Leaders
Aether-Khemist (100)
- General
- Trait: Doughty Champion
- Artefact: Staff of Ocular Optimisation

Battleline
10 x Arkanaut Company (120)
- 1x Skypikes
- 2x Aethermatic Volley Guns
10 x Arkanaut Company (120)
- 1x Skypikes
- 2x Light Skyhooks

War Machines
Arkanaut Frigate (280)
- Main Gun: Heavy Sky Cannon
- Great Endrinworks: Incredible Self-healing Hull
Arkanaut Frigate (280)
- Main Gun: Heavy Sky Cannon
- Great Endrinworks: Incredible Self-healing Hull

Battalions
Iron Sky Squadron (80)

Total: 980/1000

The aim of the game here is just get in and use the Aether Khemist buff to deal damage with the Companys, I'm not too sure about the artefact picks but it'll do

>>52851499
I would very much appreciate it.

>>52851880
He's 30$ USD from Z atm

>>52852110
https://mega.nz/#!No1CQDQD!j2sow6itd-hUgyA7m5zpyb91fBfZ3zBGgHMcf4Lr99g

>>52851479
>>52851471

https://mega.nz/#!agg0lBAA!nGfpIHU3A4f_Dm8BQJmXo_oyelj-1DaSen4Hs5ofSsk

Replace with a slightly better version of pdf.

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Post your dudes! Either we admit it or not, we all are curious about other armies. So post your duded!

>>52852141
I've attempted getting in touch with Z before, no dice I'm afraid

I don't want to start asking around and getting the poor chap into trouble either

>>52852539
I had to email him twice. Are you using the vip one? He's switched from his older one for a while now.

>>52852643
Genuinely can't remember. I got in touch with whatever the current email was in November/December

>>52847882
Someone called them Cardigan Overlords at my FLGS and now I just keep picturing angry old dwarfs grandpas whenever he says it.

>>52852014
there isn't a rule that says you have to paint ultramarines in their colors to claim their bonuses. I didn't write the rules. read them yourself >>52842945 if you have a problem with the rules, that is your problem.

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>>52852763

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>>52852063
rules cards for each unit (warscrolls)
a separate book with points for every warscroll in the game and rules for competitive games (generals handbook).
I believe they intend to incorporate the I pick you pick combat phase as well as armor save system from AOS into new 40k
army balance may improve, or maybe not, AOS balance is serviceable but far from perfect. Its hard to speculate about internal army balance, that will depend a lot on how they write the warscrolls and what units are assigned to what factions.

you should be cautiously optimistic. AOS has been a huge boon, far surpassing WHFB.

I will be joining you 40k people with a new army of elder once your sigmarization takes place. The convoluted rules bloat is a barrier to entry that I don't want to deal with, but that wont be a problem for much longer.

Don't get me wrong, I like 40K now, I have the most recent rule book set in hard back. But the 40 page special rules section alone is enough to give someone a stroke trying to figure out how everything interacts with the codex rules.

I am also hoping since we how have terminators in AOS that soon we will have elder wraith knights and jet bikes as well.

>>52852063
You should be happy that the shit show that is the 40k game is dead. If they've learned from AoS, and it seems they have, you'll get a better game.

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>>52852529
Messing around with colour (and green stuff) to get a day of the dead style army off the ground. Citizens praise Nagash for giving life beyond life and celebrate it through decorating the chosen dead in battle.
Not sure whether to use sandy or dark clothes to go with the bright colours. The festival itself is a miss mash of all things bright so it doesn't really work for direct transferral. Think I might have a red/yellow battleline and a blue/green battleline to try it though, with the straps as ribbons.
Musician will be holding maracas

>>52852993
Meme tier and almost insulting, I like it.

>>52852763
If there is a rule like that, which I doubt is intended as an actual rule (Though I love that GW enforces painting, since people with totally unpainted stuff shouldnt be allowed to play). Id ignore it and so propably would most people.

>>52853196
Rest assured, GW hates dedicated painters, who tend to buy few things and use non GW paints as they spend two months to paint 10 models.

The hobby aspect has always been a lure to encourage people to buy plastic crack, not an intended market. If they started making books cater more to the painting crowd, they'd lose money in the long run.

>>52852993
Don't forget the Sombreros

>>52852993
This idea is awesome. I like the little flower on the side of the skull, and you could get really creative with the poncho designs.

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>>52853196
Definitely is a rule. Special for the skydorfs.

>>52853351
Thats obviously not a rule.

>>52852529
Here are my dudes

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DleJ7guokNXxnsKZX7hu-vjRa0Hw4edANjkYRwm0PDY

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>>52853365
It is a refence, and an example, in the battletome, to the rule. You want the text from p91 then here.

You can still make your own Skyport. But using the rules for the Loreports means using their colours.

>>52853196
Wysiwyg style rules exist for a reason. Potentially I could see my opponent set up 4 cannons and then decide I'm Zilfin because I want to deepstrike an Ironclad behind them loaded with Khemist and 20 Thunderers whom I decided suddenly all have Aethercannons.

>>52853351
As a GW store manager I can tell you this is definetly not a rule, and arguing otherwise will put you above any autist that ever entered my shop.

You know some """"blood angels"""" use standard marines codex, right ?

>>52853462
just a standard Aelf player desu.

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>>52853462
>>52853459
>>52853447
>>52853365
>>52853351

>>52853351
>>52853447

Thankfully I am the local Organizer/TO for my shop so I can skip this early and let my guys know that we won't enforce this.

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>>52853474
>>52853479
I don't like the rule either, and I'm glad that there's organizers that won't use it. One of the Core rules of the game is that all these extra rules are optional. But it don't mean that this rule doesn't exist.

>>52853570

Not debating its existence - just saying that it is such a ludicrous concept and goes so against the spirit of the hobby that I'm going to entirely skip it and I'm not going to ask my local community to abide by it either.

>>52853474
People just dont stop, thread after thread of shitty plain discussion over a stupid rule

>>52853648
Right? It's just a fucking endless loop.

How long until the "I don't care if you paint your Kharadron pink but letting people house rule things leads to shit talking and that hurts my feefees" autist comes back?

>>52838408
I thought this gun muzzels were his eyes for a second

>>52853472
My Order list is:
Orion (yes an elf)
Dwarf Flamer
for battleine, 2 units of Skinks
and all of the Doggos I can fit

Just some no nothing anon poping in to say:
I like the idea that you can see the livery/colours of a guys army and go "oh shit that's the royal munsters, best watch out for their infantry"
but forcing people to repaint their army every time they want a different "build" is a bit ridiculous

First Arknaut Company built - what a fun kit. Too bad you only get 1 of each 'special' weapon but otherwise a really neat kit. I'm pretty excited for my Barak-Mhornar force.

>>52852888
>>52852905
Thanks for the responses Anons. So far I'm rather optimistic. They'd have to seriously fuck up to make it any worse, than it currently is

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>>52853696
I can't fucking unsee that now

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Thoughts on the first 5 zombros?
Should get the other 15 done this week

>>52853817
Nice. A lot better than mine. Maybe add some highlighting? if you want them to be more visible on the table?

>>52853817
I'd personally apply some form of matte varnish - I can't stand the "I dipped them all in quickshade" shine - but beyond that they look okay.

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>tfw my Skullgrinder killed 800pts+ over the course of 2 games today

>>52853462
>As a GW store manager I can tell you this is definetly not a rule
you refuse to acknowledge what is clearly written in the rules?
the rule: >>52853447
reference to the rule in another place: >>52853351

how do you and >>52853479 this guy intend to deal with this >>52853459 situation?

the painting gates were obviously meant to make swapping ports during set up a non option. If you plan to throw that out the window how do you intend to deal with the buff you are giving to KO?

obviously you can do what you want and if you can bully people into going along with you with your appeal to authority then whatever.

I don't believe you are more of an authority than the rules in the codex but the limits of some peoples arrogance are pretty audacious.

>>52854014

Super easy - I require lists to be submitted before the event. You have to choose all of your options in list creation, not at the table.

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>>52854057
>>52854014

>>52854014
>>52854057

Furthermore - addressing your second argument - I don't believe I am more of an authority than anything else, however at my local shop I am (by virtue of being the only one who will) the primary driver of our AoS community. I put together the tournaments, events, etc. so it's my judgement that counts in my store. If I was going to another event I'd clearly abide by their interpretation of the rules (though I honestly doubt you'll find an AoS event that interprets the rule the way you do).

>>52854065

When I was a kid and I was ignorant, as all children are, I used to think that "flogging a dead horse" meant you were trying to sell it.

It took me ages to figure out that's not what it meant in part because it still made sense, I mean who would want to buy a dead horse?

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Just won a 3 on 1 today.
The forces of order vs my Ironjawz.
My brutes killed 4 kurnoth hunters in one battle phase it was glorious.
Ironjawz truly as the best.
Helped my opponents wasted all of their shooting from stormcast vanguards and kurnoth hunters into my gore gruntas.

>>52854099
if your shop is anything like the GW shop I play at then you know people organize a lot of their games either on facebook or in person while at the shop for another game.

If I make a date to play a KO person next week (something I am looking forward to) what is to stop that person from picking the port that will give him the greatest advantage against the army that I bring?

Obviously that was not supposed to be an option for the KO player since it is explicitly gated in their codex.

would you as a store manager go along with the KO player breaking their codex rules just because you think you know better and you have a problem with painting requirements?

If I asked you to allow for me to break the rules in my codex would you be okay with that too? Does everyone now get to ignore the rules in their codex?

I think its stupid to allow port switching during set up because its a huge buff to KO that breaks the codex rules and your distaste for painting requirements is a shit reason to allow it.

>>52853879
>>52853912
Thanks anons

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>>52853279
They are on the way.
>>52853321
Yeah I'm hoping I can get some variety with facial patterns and clothing. Some things just don't work as well in practice, bright yellow for example is near invisible at distance and thinner intricate lines suffer the same if not viewed close up.

Hope I can get happy with the colours though, as I've got nice ideas for carnival coven thrones and morghast who have their arms held up by skeletons like a giant costume or float

>>52854157
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of tournament rule packets?

FLGS' and events make faction-specific unofficial FAQs all the fucking time.

>>52854173
love it

>>52854157

You aren't concerned with KO choosing ports - you are concerned that your opponent is going to tailor his list against yours. That is something that any opponent is capable of doing with any army. Ultimately that's what your argument is against (and it is a super valid argument against a generally unfun opponent). However if you each write your army list before the start of the game then you counter the entire issue.

All you need to do to stop this behavior is establish that lists must be presented before either of you know what your opponent is bringing. As long as you do that you cannot switch ports at deployment because you'll have already made that selection prior to the game.

And to answer your more hyperbolic arguments (and for clarity I'm not a GW manager, just a local guy) 100% yes I will allow the KO player to break an arbitrary (and very debatable) rule because I have a problem with the specific painting requirement. If you asked me to break the rules for your army I'd have to evaluate the question you were asking me - is it something as frivolous as a painting requirement or having a longer beard than your opponent? Then of course you can break it. But again your concern actually isn't with KO and their ports, you have a problem because people tailor their list and you aren't taking the steps to stop that.

>>52854157
"You house ruled this one specific rule for this one specific reason, therefore you have to also allow me to house rule a specific rule of my choice" doesn't logically follow.

>>52854173
>>52852993
this looks really shit and stupid, sorry

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>>52854286
>>52854285
>>52854229
>>52854157

>>52854157

Fucking retard alert. Waaaah my opponent is switching ports at deployment, he's got an advantage. Make him give you his list before the start of the game you fuckwit - then he can't do that. Its no one else's fault that you are a fucking idiot who doesn't understand the basic concepts of 'social conventions'.

>>52854157

>what is to stop that person from picking the port that will give him the greatest advantage against the army I bring?

What's to fucking stop him from taking units in WHATEVER army he plays that give him the greatest advantage against whatever army you bring? This is the single most moronic argument I've ever read. If your opponent knows your army he can bring the best units to beat it REGARDLESS OF WHAT FUCKING ARMY HE PLAYS.

Any possibilities of make a good ghost army right now as Death alliance or should i wait until GW give us some love (and models lol)

>buys a ''start collecting pestilens'' box to get cheap plagueclaw catapult and plague furnace
>builds those first because thats what i needed primarily for my pestilens army
>start cutting out plaguemonks after those are finished
>notice that there's missing a single plaguemonk from the same place on every single sprue
>contact GW directly
>says i need to contact the GW store i bought it at
>goes back to store
>sorry we cant change it because you already assembled some items and cut out some of the plaguemonks
>you cant prove that you just didn't drop some while cutting them out
>there is literally no sign of a cutter or knife being used at that particular spot, while its obvious on the others

At least you can have a plaguemonk unit with less than 20 figures.
and at least i saved a fucktonne of money compared to buying the two machines seperately.

but seriously GW store?

>>52854319
^perfect example of the kind of autistic who would seek to abuse the ability to port switch and worse he would shit talk people who wanted him to follow his rules from his codex

>>52854285
>lists must be presented before either of you know what your opponent is bringing
I generally know what everyone at my community has for armies and outside the occasional drifter who comes in there is rarely any surprises. Your idea has merit but seems like it would struggle with the reality of Johny with his new KO army already knowing what everyone else has and just picking the best port during list writing because he knows what everyone has.

>>52854349
you convoluting the issue of picking units during list building (something everyone does) with breaking the codex rules by port swapping during set up is a disingenuous, irrational argument.

>>52854382
>I generally know what everyone at my community has for armies and outside the occasional drifter who comes in there is rarely any surprises. Your idea has merit but seems like it would struggle with the reality of Johny with his new KO army already knowing what everyone else has and just picking the best port during list writing because he knows what everyone has.
Literally anyone who goes to a group for a while can do that with literally any army.
"Oh wow, x player has a magic heavy army. I'll build an anti-magic army!"
"Oh wow the store's meta favors shooting, I'll build to counter that!"

>>52854429
>Literally anyone who goes to a group for a while can do that with literally any army.
yeah they do, that isn't the issue.

The issue is the extra level of list tailoring by port swapping that is achieved by breaking the KO codex rules.

For the love of god just stop replying to this autistic retard.

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>>52854428
>Convoluting

>>52854445
Except yes it is. Your fundamental problem with not paint gaiting the skyports is that it allows the KO player to list tailor, but any player playing any army can list tailor against the store meta.

By the way if Johnny the KO list-tailoring faggot abuses the house rule to list tailor, why can't you just go "Stop being a list tailoring faggot or play somewhere else?"

>>52854475
port swapping is a kind of list tailoring that the codex forbids. allowing it is a buff to KO.

hot swappable powerful army wide bonuses are a big deal.

>>52854445

So why is some list tailoring ok but not not all list tailoring? Why do you get to draw an arbitrary line in the sand?

>>52854498
>port swapping is a kind of list tailoring that the codex forbids. allowing it is a buff to KO.
Answer the question nigger.

What is stopping you from saying "Stop abusing the house rule in order to list tailor, you faggot"

>>52854498

So it's ok to swap battalions which provide huge structural bonuses but not ports? What about Arcanites who can change their entire army structure from mortals to demons? Is that ok?

>>52854498
Hmm, would you allow someone to swap dracoths or paladin weapons before a battle with magnets. Seems like the most comparable example.

>>52851711
>KO and Kurnoth hunter soam
>IN THE SAME LIST

I have become shooting phase: destroyer of games.

>>52853233
>GW hates dedicated painters

Everything I have seen is the exact opposite. They hold a giant contest called Golden Daemon for the best modeller and painter, not the best WAACfag.

>>52854560
Okay: HEY GUYS YOU'RE ALL PLAYING MAGIC SPAM SO I BROUGHT THE SKYPORT TO COUNTER YOU, BUT PAINTED IT THE RIGHT WAY

Not okay: HEY GUYS YOU'RE ALL PLAYING MAGIC SPAM SO I BROUGHT THE SKYPORT TO COUNTER YOU, BUT DIDN'T PAINT IT THE RIGHT WAY

Ie his logic is dumb and doesn't address the basic problem of list tailoring.

>>52854640
>They hold a giant contest called Golden Daemon for the best modeller and painter, not the best WAACfag.
If you think they target their marketing towards people who buy 5 models a year and largely use non-GW paints, you're stone cold retarded.

>>52854583

If I was going to do that I'd plop a hurricanum in for the +1 to hit as well.

>>52854560
It's not like all the pre-painted skyports are better than the chosen rules.

>>52854669
I think they market the game towards people who invest everything in the hobby, modelling, painting and playing. hence why they went through great lengths to make playing with your collection viable in narrative play and so forth.

What I think retards like you need to understand is GW has NEVER been a wargame first, it's always been about your dudes with the rules for playing WITH your dues.

Hell, my local GW runs by the 3 colour rule on it's tables.

>>52854680

From a purely competitive stand point? They aren't, actually you're better off playing regular order for access to a Celestial Hurricanum to back up large blobs of skyhook company.

>>52854509
>So why is some list tailoring ok but not not all list tailoring? Why do you get to draw an arbitrary line in the sand?
because its reasonable to assume the points costs for the KO units are such that they were not pointed to include the ability to hot swap ports during set up. If they had been pointed with the ability to hot swap ports it is guaranteed they would have been higher.

>>52854521
>Answer the question nigger.
I would say something similar but probably not as crudely as what you suggested. And if the store manager has decided in his infinite wisdom that the KO guy can hot swap ports during set up because he has an issue with painting requirements well then I am just fucked.
>>52854570
I draw the line at breaking codex rules.

>>52854157

So the EXACT wording of the rule is

>You can organise your collection of Kharadron Overlords miniatures as a fleet from one of the major sky-ports simply by painting it in the sky-port’s colours.

So since we're playing PURE RAW all I need is to have the sky-port's colors on the model. So, all I need to do is paint three stripes from each port on every model and I'm fully legal to port swap at all times. Or do you have another passage that suggests how MUCH of each color I need to be in accordance with the rule?

>>52854729

So - since you draw the line at breaking codex rules - how much of the model has to display the sky port's color? I need to you to back up your answer with language from the book.

>>52854713
Exactly.

This things are little extras for people who want to run a specific skyport, and these Skyports happen to have colours that they use.

>>52854742
Well, Nobody would play with a cunt with his rainbow faggot dwarves because it looks like he just wants an advantage.

>>52854757
I'll just take this from Rogue trader rules.

>For an army to be considered "Fully Painted", a minimum of 3 colors on the model (primer can count) and bases that are painted or flocked is required.

It needs to be fully painted. Just three dots on the base don't count.

>>52854758

So you're using the argument of the social contract to suggest that my answer isn't legal. You don't have a rule that backs it up? You are then conceding that I am correct? Are there any rules in the book that dictate how much of the model has to display the skyport's colors? If the answer is no then what I suggest is entirely legal and also the end result of your quest to force people to paint models in a specific way.

>>52854583
Kurnoths aren't even a big deal for them, Arkanauts companies outshoot them with skyhooks.

>>52854729
>I would say something similar but probably not as crudely as what you suggested
So what's the problem? If the KO player is playing like a faggot, he'll face social consequences for being a list-tailoring faggot and either stop or leave.

If the store is allowing him to be a list tailoring faggot, you can still choose not to pay him. No one has a gun to your head.

The thing you're describing as a problem - hot swapping skyports - is literally solved by going "Don't be a faggot, Johnny."

>>52854795

Unacceptable - this language is listed nowhere in the current army book, General's Handbook, or basic rules. You must quote a current legal rules source.

In addition you've interpreted the line you posted. It says it must have 3 colors on the model, it does not state what percentage of the model must be covered in those 3 colors so by the strictest language 3 dots of color on the model with a based painted in the primer color is legal.

>>52854798
>>52854828

>Paint it with three dots of one Skyport

Okay.

>Put dots of another skyport on the same model

It's now not the first Skyports colour scheme. Nice try you autist, but last I checked, the book specifically tells you the theme colours of the skyports, and as such, deviating from the theme means it's not the skyport.

So sure, you can apply the three strips like a faggot. But you're still locked in that one skyport.

>>52854858

Not at all, I'll just cover over the three stripes with new colors each time. It will take me all of about 5 minutes before each game.

>>52854824
>is literally solved by going "Don't be a faggot, Johnny

also just as easily and less controversially solved by telling Jimmy to follow his codex rules like everyone else has to do.

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>>52854858

>calling other people autistic

>>52854729

What level of color deviation is acceptable since you draw the line at breaking the rules? Can I paint the shoulder pads a different color from the hobby guide as long as they're still in the port colors? Can I paint the weapon heads in a different metallic shade? What about the pouches, buckles, and lenses? Since I cannot break the rules then clearly the rules must state - specifically - what every part of the model must be painted. In the absence of that specificity then everytime I play someone I am left to their judgement to decide I meet enough of their standard to qualify for the skyport.

>>52854924

So if he is following the rules - can he paint his belt buckles differently from what is shown in the book? What about the lenses?

>>52854935
It comes down to interpreting the intent of the painter's color scheme.

If the intent of the scheme was to represent a port then it represents that port.

>>52854928
>guy is willingly going to paint his models shit using colgate strips because he's that autistic he can't settle on a scheme because his WAAC autistic rules lawyering means he needs every option open and his models are just counters.

>>52854935
>>52854891

I refuse you the game. In a tourney, I call over a judge. Usually in tourneys there is an 80% coloured rule or points awarded for a fully painted army.

He loses because while he is sat there for 10 mins trying to paint his entire army with X colour scheme, I win because he defaults.

>>52854924
>also just as easily and less controversially solved by telling Jimmy to follow his codex rules like everyone else has to do.
Yeah, except my way doesn't force non-list-tailoring-faggot KO players to limit their creativity to access rules they like.

>>52854959
Yes, Intent goes a long way in tourneys, something autistic faggots on the internet netlisting don't understand.

It's the same as those dickheads making flying units miles up so they can't be hit. Realistically, they get banned from Tourneys because that's what mediators are for.

>>52854960

But who gets to judge that intent? Where are the rules for judging the intent?

>>52854974

So you've now assumed a set of rules that are unofficial. Why does the tournament organizer get to break the rules of the game if I can't? Where does it state I must play with fully painted models in the rules?

Or do you not see how circular your own logic is? I'm intentionally asking obtuse questions to show how easy your argument is to dissect. It require no mental effort because your argument has no validity when viewed from an objective and logical standpoint. You are simply missing too many pieces to have a valid point of view.

>>52855012
>These optional rules are tied to specific things
>WHY I HATE IT

Don't want to use the skyport colours, don't use the Skyport.

Stop being a faggot Jimmy and follow the codex.

>>52854924
>Implying that social consequences for list tailoring is controversial
This is what 1 Cha looks like

>>52855017

You keep using intent but your entire argument for 'ports must be painted per the official scheme' is based entirely in RAW. So it is OK as long as the intent fits within your narrative but if the intent is outside then only RAW is acceptable. And before you suggest that 'ports must be painted per the official scheme' can be baked by RAI please look to 40k Space Marine chapters where the clear intent is to allow players to paint their models anyway they want and use whatever rule set they want.

>>52855037
If Johnny isn't list tailoring, why does it matter if his paint scheme doesn't match his skyport?

Let's say he took the dispel skyport and you have literally no magic users. What is the problem?

>>52854974

>shitposting a non argument for what must be at this point at least 4 threads and 2 days
>not autistic

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>>52855028
>But who gets to judge that intent? Where are the rules for judging the intent?
the painter of the scheme decides what the intent of his scheme was and what port it was meant to represent. Since it will be a scheme that is meant to represent one port it will resolve all possible conflicts and preclude port swapping.

>>52855037

You have failed to present a Rules as Written definition of how much of the model I must paint in the given colors, what level of deviation is acceptable, and how to judge the intent of a paint scheme. If cannot find a written rule to clarify this then you instead you accept that rules are interpret-able and thus I may interpret them differently than you.

>>52855028
>Why does the tournament organizer get to break the rules of the game if I can't?

Because they are the rules of the tournament you cocksniffing retard.

You don't play by those rules, you don't enter the tournament.

>Muh circular logic

stop saying things you don't understand, I know you're a fedora tipping sperglord by the way you try to sound smart, but you need to understand at the end of the day, the rules are moot compared to people accepting you playing with them.

Nobody will accept captain colgate and his autistic dwarves.

Now do us all a favor, go drink some bleach.

>>52855073
There is no problem, as long as Johnny painted his KO like the skyport.

>>52855069
>B-But muh RAW

RAW is trumped by people playing with you or not you autist.

>>52855082
>B-But it's not an argument

Yes it is, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an argument.

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So if my two friends buy the intro box whatever the fuck with Stormcast and Khorne dudes and I grab Start Collecting! Nurgle Daemons can we just start playing with those armies?

They should keep the color rule.

At least it trolls the fuck out of WAAC fags with non-painted armies.

>>52855096
>the painter of the scheme decides what the intent of his scheme was and what port it was meant to represent.

>Play against army x
>"My intent was to paint [skyport that counters x]

>Play against army y
>"My intent is to paint [skyport that counters y]

>>52855102
>Y-You have failed to represent a rule as written

Alright, guess I need to end the tirade of autism.

>THE MOST
IMPORTANT RULE
In a game as detailed and wide-ranging as
Warhammer: Age of Sigmar, there may be
times when you are not sure exactly how to
resolve a situation that has come up during
play. When this happens, have a quick
chat with your opponent, and apply the
solution that makes the most sense to you
both (or seems the most fun!). If no single
solution presents itself, both of you should
roll a dice, and whoever rolls higher gets to
choose what happens.

>>52855104

>RAW is trumped by people playing with you or not you autist.

The fact that you don't see the irony in this is amazing.

>>52855104
>There is no problem, as long as Johnny painted his KO like the skyport.
Reread the question nigger.
"If Johnny isn't list tailoring, why does it matter if his paint scheme doesn't match his skyport?"

>>52855104
>Because they are the rules of the tournament you cocksniffing retard.
Awesome, so the TO in >>52853479 is perfectly free to set the rules of his tournament and get rid of the painting gate.