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XV did nothing wrong. Wolves are hypocrites.

Perturabo is better then Magnus

re-reading rules for legion megazord stat

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>>52809559

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>>52809559
Well at least BL seems to agree with you on that.

Deep Striking Terminators; ineffective? Too dangerous? When do you use them?

>>52809559
>t. Graham McNeill

>>52809559
>>52809579
Is Magnus: Master of Prospero worth reading if you enjoyed A Thousand Sons? I know there's a lot of IW wanking but I can stomach that.

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How can manlet Russ even compete?

Also more of a WIP question, but should I accent my Thousand Sons with Silver or Gold? Forgeworld seems to flip flop on their choice.

>>52809592
to bubble-wrap Horus when they deep strike into the middle of the opposing army

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Blazeladius when?

>>52809592
Effective if they have good shooting weapons. Do it with Cataphractii so maybe they don't get wiped out by return fire. But I'd only do it with one, maybe two squads. That IF RoW that allows more teleporting Termies means putting too much stuff in reserve.

>>52809631
White and gold, no silver.

>>52809628
Well if you can also stomach things like Ahriman using anything but Divination powers, go ahead. But there is a lot of Thousand Sons bashing to make the IW look good.

But enjoying A Thousand Sons probably means you won't enjoy Master of Prospero, because the latter has things that go against what is established in the first.

Are Castellax automata any good?

>>52809592
Surprise meltaguns arriving near the enemy artillery, perhaps.

>>52809631
Magnus doesn't stand so tall with a broken spine :^)

Gold trim for standard legionaries and silver/white trim for veterans.

>>52809628
Ehhhh, I mean, I presume you have it for free and it's not long, so it's not really an effort to read.

The thing is, it kind of shits all over the characterisation and legion info from A Thousand Sons, it's really weird. Every TS in it except Ahriman is an asshole, Ahriman isn't but is instead completely useless and a bit of a pussy.
Oh and the 'rules' of the TS that ATS established are kind of ignored.

It's like an opposite day version of the feel of ATS. I didn't rate it.
It's recommended for Iron Warriors fans in all seriousness, they're amazing in it.

>>52809631
How the fuck did he grab him and break his back?

When do we get a model for the Khan?

>>52809725
He tripped on him.

>>52809725
A) He's strong enough to lift him and get the leverage, Primarchs are retard strong, and Magnus was off-balance due to just being blinded.
B) The version of events we 'saw' in the fight was just people's perception of what was actually happening with all the warp and magic shit going down and Russ won in a different manner that manifested in viewing perception as magnus having his back broken.

>>52809740
After Sanguinius and Lion El'my Johnson

>>52809640
>custodes don't fight as a team but individuals to highlight their assassin and bodyguard training
>get tanks anyway

FW custodes were a mistake.

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>>52809767
>Still earlier that Dorn and Alpharius

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>>52809769
How are those two things contradictory?

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>>52809579
holy shit a painted version of pic

>>52809807
>Microscopic version of "Oh just kiss already"

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>>52809829
There's even a loyalist version

>>52809769

The Caladius pilot is a very accomplished assassin and bodyguard, clearly. Nothing says assassination like a fast skimmer with heavy guns.

Speaking of Caladiuses, I just finished building mine today and noticed it's -extremely- front-heavy. How do I stop it from slumping forwards on it's stand?

>>52809631
Am I the only one not digging the Magnus model? The proportions are weird, the magic effect is just dumb, no nipple horns, and the pose is super tame.

>>52809856
Glue it to the stand ?

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>>52809809
FACT: Custodes were supposed to be a spear unit, a sword & shield unit, a termie unit, a boxnought and a contemptor as dreads, Bullock Jetbikes (instead of gyrfalcon buggies), Grav Rhinos and GOLDEN LAND's RAIDERS, not that fucking ELDAR-looking buillshit that makes the Mechanicum feel envy.

>>52809868
>no nipple horns
that's a plus, you fucking pumperschneidenhauf

>>52809868
Yes, you're the only one. Whenever you think you're the only one, you are. Nobody else agrees with your non-controversial opinion at all.

>>52809868
Far from it, it seems like around half of the people who've seen it think the proportions are weird, miss the nipple horns (HERESY) or both.

>It does save me a lot of money, now I don't want to buy the model :^)

>>52809891
shit taste desu senpai

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So, i'm starting a Blood Angels army because i want to get into 30k, but I'm going to base my army list in 40k and I was wondering what kind of things i could do with them based on what I'm going to collect for 40k

I'm not beyond picking up extra models purely for a 30k list so if you have some suggestions feel free

My basic collection will be 30 tac marines a chaplain, two contemptors, two drop pods, 3 rhinos, 3 squads of tataros termies and a bike squad, and It's like this for the demi company/termie decurion detachment in Angel's Blade

Would i need to change much to the base army to get started with 30k? I'm not sure if Baal preds are a thing but I'd like to get some because they sound pretty cool

>>52809891
>>no nipple horns
>that's a plus
I want to combi-power fist you

>>52809640
Played a game proxying two of the turrets last night. Shit is brutal.

>>52809910
That's a Blood Raven marine, m8
>Bolt down everything.

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>>52809889
What is wrong with Imperial buggies :^)

But yeah FW should have made the vehicles of Emperor's Talons more similiar to marine and guard tanks, they just don't look like Imperial vehicles.

>>52809910
Sure you don't mean Blood Ravens?

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Had my first game in our escalation league (500pts, 1 HQ, 1 Troop) with my Custodes against TS. Turns out a Praetor with Iron Arm and Endurance up is really fucking hard to kill. These two ended up punching each other fruitlessly for four turns before he PotW'd himself out of existence. I lost, though, because his Cataphracti just murdered my Guardian squad. Still, good times.
Looking forward to Saturday, two more games planned for then. Word Bearers (notorious horde-army player) and Alpha Legion (possibly veteran focus?) as well as picking up another box of custodes. It's also nice to play on an actual table and not a mat once again, since the owner is finally back from his vacation.

>>52809933
>>52809948
Yeah, i know. the only other version of that image i got was a berserker

>>52809884
The Death is pretty much THE go-to legion if you want lots of termies, perhaps alongside the IW. It only helps they have two kinds of termies in a single legion, and Deathshroud are on the top tier. Not the best of them all, but still damn top tier.

>>52809949
>all red and gold TS officer
Disgusting

Your custodian's cloak is really nice.

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I love the dimensions of the leviathan dread. What models have you guys been surprised by, and why?

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>>52809957
Have a spooky version.
NLs, I don't know why I DON'T dislike you, since you kinda are a shitty legion. But I don't dislike you.

>>52809969
>What models have you guys been surprised by, and why?
The Magnus model
For its lack of nipple horns
I never thought FW would fall so low

I only have book 7, what does the "Machine Spirit" rule do?

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>>52809915
Here you go, who am I to deny a man the right to suck on an other man's titties. Go on and suck em dry boy, you've earned it.

>>52809797
Probably get the Khan and Dorn for the siege of Terra

What was the emperors plan for the cult mechanicus if he hadnt got horused? Would he disbanded them or forced them into atheism via gradual change, or even left them alone?

>>52810036
You may not like it, but that's what peak performance looks like

>>52810036
id suck on that third titty horn between his legs

>>52809969

The Caladius because it's roughly the size of Alaska.

I heard the Coronus takes it to ludicrous extremes, but I can't see a single solitary reason why you'd ever want a Coronus on the tabletop, so.

>>52809961
i feel like kinda a pleb, i can't see what makes them like *top* tier. i picked them mostly for having kick ass models.

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>>52809935
>What is wrong with Imperial buggies :^)
Quite a few things.
Don't get me wrong, most of those issues stem from the fact that we were expecting Bullock-like Jetbikes. You know, like the ones almost EVERY piece of art depicts them riding.
But the bit that irked me the most was that, on the army that loves melee-ranged combination weapons, their lances are mere power lances. On the squad that has both Split fire and Sweeping Fire.

>>52810020
Don't you have the 7th edition rulebook ? It's a must if you want to understand anything really. Should be in of the links in OP

Basically if a vehicles doesn't flat out or use smoke launchers it can fire one more weapons at normal BS then what would normally be allowed. This weapon may even be fired at a different unit than the rest of the guns.

>>52809640
...why?

The accelerator Cannon is better by almost every measure- S7 isn't quite as good, but universal AP2 is better for wiping up TEQs, no jink is always bueno, and heliothermic det. means you're always AP1 and you've got a better chance of removing those pesky multiwound models we keep talking about.

S10 is nice, and sure exoshock is helpful, but end of the day accellereator cannons are just all-around better

>>52810107

I know what power of the machine spirit is, I'm asking what "Machine Spirit" is.

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>>52810036
>Magnus' titty horns sagged and fell to his knees
Magnus being a 60 year old woman confirmed.

>>52810115

Blaze has four shots, lovely for erasing anything not 2+ and the S10 alt fire mode is just ranch dressing.

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>>52809889
>Bullock Jetbikes

These don't look like Bullocks to me.

>>52810099
Personally I can't get over how stupid the custodes on the jetbike has to hold the powerlance.

If you try to poke anything holding a lance like that the best you can hope for is a strained wrist.

>>52810098
They defeat anything with 1W, don't need charge shenanigans like Phoenix termies, and since they attack at I3 the usual counter for 2W termies, powerfists, does not apply to them.
Plus they can Look Out Sir each other because they're a squad of characters (like the Command Squad should be) and can still kill blobs because of their flamer templates.
They do struggle against 2W termies, but you have regular powerfists for those, whose weapons are all unwieldy.
But DG are a termie legion mainly because they have two legion specific kinds of them, pretty much that.

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>>52809967
>all that red and gold
Yeah, that's unheard of.

>>52810119
Listed under the special rules at the end of the AoD legion armylist.

It give the vehicle that has it Power of the Machine Spirit.

>Yes FW named it different just because reasons.

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>>52810137
I haven't seen one in such a while I'm even forgetting how they look like, besides "they float and have some kind of eagle bit". It only furthers the argument that FW not releasing them was a mistake.

>>52810185
Exactly.ahriman has blue

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>>52810167
That's my second biggest gripe about that model, with the biggest being how boring and inflexible the pose is. I mean, would have been dynamic poses like the stormcast gryphon riders been too much to ask for?
The fact that it's a fucking powerlance for the only unit in the army that can reasonably and without a huge hassle set up a charge to benefit from guardian spears is just the icing on the cake of stupid.
Oh, and Sweeping Fire for a unit with one gun.

>>52810185
>he thinks the store schemes are canon
>matte red armour
Even more disgusting.

>>52810203
Hey now, gotta have something to release once the dickbikes and shit don't sell anymore. People want jetbikes, so give them jetbikes. Then, later, give them THE jetbikes.

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>>52810168
it all makes sense now.
thanks anon

>>52809675
Yes, very. But I wouldn't kit them out for melee.

>>52809910
>and It's like this for the demi company/termie decurion detachment in Angel's Blade
We don't use that kind of language in here, pal.

But more seriously, you might find more differences between the two systems than you expect. Tactical squads don't get special or heavy weapons; veteran squads are the ones that look more like 40k tac squads. Regular drop pods aren't normally available, you have to take certain Rites of War to get access to them and those rites usually require that everything be in a Drop Pod or have some other way of Deep Striking.

In a year or so, Blood Angels will get a FW book with more rules. For now, the most common way to run them is with a lot of assault marines. Blood Angels can run Predators with assault cannons but you may have to swap or remove the sponsons.

>>52810266
>Sell people jetbikes
>Once sales are too low, sell people the jetbikes they've always wanted

Why didn't I realize this before

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>>52810266
>People want jetbikes, so give them jetbikes. Then, later, give them THE jetbikes.
FW, you diabolical monster.

>>52810046
Civil war, imo. The Cult Mechanicus was slowing down human progress and would've had to go.

Though it's interesting that you don't hear too much about their faith leading to Chaos.

>>52809967
Thank you. I painted that fucking thing like six times to get it look halfway decent and the embroidery still irks me.
That said, I kinda liked the TS. The dark pteruges and cloak break up the bright red/gold enough to keep it from overwhelming the model.

>>52810167
Hard to poke anything when the lance is only a couple inches longer than the bike.

>>52810457

That's because cult mech leads to C'tan worship.

>>52810371
>>52810405
Or, GW already called dibs on those designs and are holding onto them, so FW had to make OC donut steel. Those new Eldar jetbikes were first shown a decade before their release. GW can sit on designs for ages.

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>>52810252
>>52810167
I agree with you, anons. Besides, lances are supposed to be used under the arm, on the inner side of the elbow, aren't they? But the model couldn't fit it.
And having a Custodian poleweapon without a ranged weapon! Such a missed opportunity.
They could have combined Alexandrite Companion Cavalry (Hetairoi) with Polish Winged Hussars, but no. Yet another missed opportunity

>>52810528
>plastic bullock pattern jetbikes

Oh yes pls.

>>52810580
>only for 40k DA
>plastered with 40k DA symbols and purity seals on very detailed bits
>all the riders have MkVI legs and they're cast onto the bike hulls

Perhaps Agamatus are the heavy version of Custard jetbikes, like how Attack bikes are to Outrider squads? I mean they do carry heavy weapons.

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>>52810622

>>52810622
I've converted worse. As long as they're not cast in metal I can work something out.

Anything is better than dickbikes.

>>52810622
I'm currently in the process of making a Corvex fit to house a custodian. I doubt it could be as bad.
...Fucking plasma cannon.

>>52810481
Are the power lances REALLY that bad?

I mean, this is a 2W T6 2+/5+ jetbike unit that's got a Heavy-Heavy Bolter and can take a godamn S9 AP2 potential 3-shot ray of death.

3-4 (depending on whatever the fuck a misericorodia is) S6 AP3 attacks on the charge, followed by (assuming the mis. is a power knife) continual AP3 isn't bad.

I play Custodes, but FFS everything doesn't have to be balls-to-wall broken

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>>52810782
>Grey Slayers can't even wipe out a tactical squad without taking a few casualties !

>Leman Russ has almost no buffs for the army he's in !

>>52809844
Why is the White Scar scratching?

>>52810848
Itch complicated. Try scratching while wearing power armour.

>>52810848
What else could he be doing with a pose like that. How mongolian is it to scratch your buttcheek though ?

>>52810782
What makes more sense being AP2, a glaive wielded by a dude running or a lance wielded by a guy on a jetbike?

>>52810782
...have you looked at the other weapons custodes get? Just saying, they are supposed to have the best gear ever and there's this stick in their arsenal that's pretty much meant for charging attacks.
Also, it's probably safest for now to assume a Misericordia is nothing at all.

>>52810782

Mostly it's the fluff and model we're complaining on. Sure, bikes are the best point for point model in the army but yes.

>>52810808
Effectively this.

So much of army complaining now is like millionaires upset they aren't billionaires.

Oh well, it's at least comforting that most people that genuinely feel wronged by it (Custards players here have been chill and pretty active, so they're good by me) are the sorts that believe units are either capable of killing everything, or worthless. Makes tacticsl advantages and strategy a damn easy to use tool

but how long before BoLS players start responding to upset over bad wargear with 'then let them take paragon blades?'

>>52810992
I'd rather face Custards with Paragon blades over an army of Eldar-looking Caladii.
Custodians should have two things: lots of AP2 and floaty Rhinos.

>>52810898
Fluff to table? Sure, why not. But if you're really behind it I'd say bump their price 15-20 points, because otherwise fuuuuck that catch-all, kill-all noise.

>>52810955
>but everything else is overpowered, why shouldn't that be?
Fair point again about fluff, but nonetheless it's clear FW intended them as a snooty unit, and the spears are a ICE thing.

>>52810973
I couldn't agree more on the modeling, though.

Starting with the fact the old art was better by 10000x, or that the poses are just unnatural AND impossible to move, it really ruins the effect.

Which sucks, cause the rules aren't shabby- figure I won't get any until someone figures out a good conversion of FW does put out the 'real' ones. Though all things considered, 40k might see them more too. GW might- God willing- make some

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>>52811045
>ywn get flynos to kill chaos with flying metal bawkses

All things considered, why even live at this point?

though this gives me ideas about a converted Coronus, how huge actually are they? LR size or so?

>>52811132
'Spartan? How puny.'-sized.

Disciplined Fire vs. Death Dealers: which one is generally better?

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>>52811212
For real?

JFC, no wonder it's a brick. Who though that was a good idea?

Maybe Gdubs actually does have something for Custodes, that'd explain all the weird deviations from old art/fluff. Or FW is careless, but that'd never happen, right? right?

>>52811132
C'mon, grav-Rhinos and grav-Raiders look stupid.

>>52809562
We gonna have to make rules then

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>>52809844
>After you
>No after you
My sides

>>52811336
But that is why we love them. Nothing says Imperial Property like a good brick !

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Here HH, I wanted to share my autism with you.

I fixed the resolution and fixed a typo.

I know I'm bad at writing please help.

>>52811235
Which is better, to shoot the iconic Astartes weapon better or to be able to use combi-weapons in a most agressive way?
The answer is whichever you choose, because they're different scenarios that ultimately change how you fight.

>>52811336
Aerodynamics are for pansy eldar. Nothing screams Imperium like a flying brick.
>>52811438
What's that font called? I remember a pdf about making your own FW entry being available in the OP.

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Gettin my Iron Hands Libby done up, still need to do all the details and belatedly scrape off a few mold lines I missed

>>52811593
I used Sitka Heading Bold. Dunno about any link or what I'm actually supposed to use. I just spend hours matching it to Curze's page.

>>52811593
Garamond, I think?

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>>52811610
Now with a head!
[/spoiler]unlike the primarch :^(

>>52811438
I don't even know where to start...
Let's say we roll with Samus as a Primarch, it's an old /tg/-thing, after all, so I can dig it; at that point the questions still don't stop: Her gun is psyker-powers and arbitrarily makes her melee AP2? Her suit, her defining thing, is actually rather shitty, gives a worthless bonus and has a non-defined ability? Ball mode makes her a FMC despite not being a MC in the first place? Did you try to make this as nonsensical as possible?
And, yes, the writing is really shitty.

>>52811648
Did you photoshop the head on?

>>52811648
I'd still have made him a psychic hood just to make sure it's clear he is a librarian.

and because I really dig psychic hoods

>>52811652
The running joke was that she's mechanically identical to a Lord of Change with predetermined powers.

>>52811702
nope, thats his real head, why do you ask?
>>52811710
i was thinking about it, but i really dislike the chopped up pauldron thing and was too lazy to make a proper one, i think with a glowing sword and maybe hand it should be clear enough what he is.

>>52811713
>Tzeentch daemons so tricksy they pop up in other IP's

Why am I not suprised.

>>52809949

>and Alpha Legion (possibly veteran focus?)

That's exactly what he wants you to think anon

Also that cape is awesome.

>>52811713
Yeah, sure. Why? If you go through the effort of making this, might as well make something useful out of it, right?

>>52811787
Cause anything else will be horrendously un-balanced.

>>52811750
>why do you ask?
He looks blurry. As if it was very hot

>>52811812
>Magnus

>>52811775
I could totally see an AL player secretly building and painting a selection of different units for an escalation league, just to fuck with people.

What's the point of the augery scanner's Infiltrate denial when most of the times your opponent will have to put his Infiltrators 18" away anyway?

>>52811750
Didn't GK models have proper hood bits?

>>52811812
We live in a post-Inferno world now, boy.

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>>52811881
>"Beats me :^| "

>>52811917
Seriously, I don't get it. Could you elaborate for this noob please?

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So what are some good models to use for Renegade Militia & Cults that aren't the normal IG models?
I've thought about using the Genestealer Cult models.

>>52811851
Well if I were to start stating her on my own I'd still probably give her a 3+ armour save because her armour wasn't primarch made like her brothers. Give her a 4++ because that's average and she wasn't known for being particularly tough. I'd make her gun the mainstay of her rules and actually have different fire modes that don't work on psychics. I'd probably give her some kind of hunting ability like seeker squads have. and then I'm left trying to figure out how her ball mode/abilities work.

>>52811917
First of, fuck djin sight and it's "Gotta deploy your infiltrators further back than if they deployed normally bitch"

>>52811925
Second, FW isn't making rules that don't actually do anything. But in the rare case that a unit could deploy outside of LOS of all your units within 12'' it is usefull.

>>52811925
prevents guys infiltrating within 12" basically, anything that restricts opponents options is useful

>>52811925
You could surround your artillery with Augury scanners so they not only can't infiltrate within 18" from artillery, but from 18" from the squads surrounding said artillery, which can pretty much leave your whole deployment zone free from infiltrators.
Dray the usual 48" x 72" board, then draw circles of 18" diameter. Place them so you can leave infiltrators away.
I haven't done that, because Thallax' Djinn sight keeps Infiltrators 24" away, and the two compulsory squads can pretty much protect your Ordo Reductor siege engines from approaching infiltrators.

What if Horus Heresy books, but as Japanese light novels?

>I Accidentally Got Possessed By Demons And Beheaded My Brother/Boyfriend?!?
>Why Are Furfaggots Destroying My Home Planet?!?
>No Matter How Many Times I Kill The Firey Dude He Just Won't Die!

>>52809969

Atrapos knight. It's just got character.

Lernaens once they're all done up look sweet. Glowing volkite is awesome

>>52811968
>Second, FW isn't making rules that don't actually do anything.

Meant to say FW isn't above etc. Fuck.

>>52811908
they do, but the immortal torsos are 1 piece, i didnt want to buy a whole kit for 1 half a torso, and libbys in 30k dont have psychic hoods as wargear so i dont really think its much of an issue

>>52812020
Could have cut the psychic hood from a leftover power armoured GK (there is one extra in the GK powerarmoured kit, so ppl should have a leftover) and glued it to the immortal torso.

Librarians in 30k not having psychic hoods just seems like one of those oversights FW does.

>>52811978
Isn't 18" Radius? It would make a big difference.

>>52812136
Srry, I used the wrong word. Yes, it's a 18" radius, or a 36" diameter circle.

If I put Spartan tracks on a Land Raider hull, does it count as a Spartan? No I don't have the skills to plasticard shit.

>>52812175

Then it's a proteus

Any reason to use Tartaros over Cataphratii?

>>52812232
No, there's no reasons given in their respective rules you should consider at all.

>>52812232
Do you know what a Sweeping Advance does ?

>>52812211

I can live with a Proteus.

>>52812258
is that the rule that adds +1 to all move, run and assault distances?

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>>52812360

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>>52812360
It instantly kills people. It's in the Main rulebook. It's sort of an important thing.

>>52812675
Well, you have to win the assault first, and then the opponent has to fail the morale check, and then you have to win the dice off.

Not sure if that's that much better than flat +16.7% save chance.

>>52812735
Winning the assault improves the chance of the enemy failing morale, but I do get what I mean. Still, it's a nice thing to have, but it's not essential and less so to terminators.
"It is a thing that exists and there are ways of using it to your favour" is what I'm saying

>>52812735
Does having a reasonable chance to instant-kill an entire unit upon winning by more than a slim margin (difference in combat result is applied as a negative Ld. modifier remember) really weigh up against 16.7% save chance ?

Because unless a unit of terminators kills what they charged entirely by hand (doesn't happen as often as you think) it just runs away freely, ready to regroup next turn, whilst every enemy gun nearby is going to unload on those terminators.

Savvy opponents use a tactical squad to create above scenario, and make sure you lose an entire squad of terminators for part of a tactical squad. This is why nobody in the local meta here uses cataphractii any longer unless the unit wearing it has no choice. Because then it has a decent chance to at least remove one entire unit after charging.

But in a meta where people haven't advanced past rubbing eachother's deathstars together I can imagine cataphractii being better.

>>52812895
I agree. Some units make better use of cataphractii, like tyrant siege, who would gladly trade mobility for more protection. They just there and chuck missiles after all, so they would rather have the survivability. But in most cases, the ability to run and sweeping advance is much more useful. Emperor help us if red butchers ever got a tartaros option...

>>52809889
Custodes having the best tech has been a thing for a while.

>>52809725
Magnus can change size at will.

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>>52809797
We already have a Alpharius model

>>52809844
I assume the IH is actually saying something in binary but I'm too lazy to check

>>52811997
>Saint Keeler: Garro saaaaan, believe in the you that believes in me

When it's Cataphractii vs. Tartaros melee face-off, wouldn't Cataphratii statistically score more wound due to better save? Assuming both are wielding AP2 weapons.

>>52813046
Remember when Land's Raiders were the hottest shit available to any human? That was a nice time.

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$800. Seriously GW?

Why not license NECA (or someone else, like I dunno Bandai? SHFiguarts 40k figs) to make 6 inch superarticulated Marines with accessories?

I'd pay gobs of money for that.

>>52813157
By a fraction of a wound. At that point, it can go either way. And that's in a vacuum, so unit buffs and charges aren't being taken into account

>>52813157
Sure, maybe.

But the issue with vacuum-numbers is that you don't known who's lost what, who charged, if dice rolls went well/poor, etc.- so simple answer is if you're literally just 1v1 and everything goes EXACTLY to statistics, then yeah.

But that will never happen, so think more about overarching list combinations.

>>52812895
Strictly vehicle hunting for me. Combi meltas and power/chain fists.

>>52812895

I'd assume IF w/ SS might be an exception.


Still a bummer Tartaros are so much better, Cata models look way way way better to me.

>>52813178
Just like old ForgeWorld figures.

>>52813447

It's a WIP, it'll be painted when it's done.

If you look at the bottom left you can see a normal termie model on the base for size comparison. This thing is 23 inches tall.

>>52813178
>$800
It fucking better be able to be actually be worn a teleport around.

>>52813462
Hot Toys would be better, still expensive but with articulation and sounds.

>>52810457
>>half the mechanicum falls to chaos.
excuse me?

>>52811856
I'm secretly building a 30k alpha legion army while pretending to play luna wolves, just waiting for alpharius to be released.

>>52813891
Shh! You don't hear much!
>*Binharic screeching*

>>52813074
where does the "Guilliman is Alpharius" meme come from. Does Alpharius ever disguise as him at any point in the lore.

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>>52814092
Eskrador

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Someone was talking about Hoplites fluffed as a kind of boarding squad? I think that's a cool thing.

>>52814587
Hahah
But for real why does he have so much pointless detail on his armour.

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>>52814886
You're asking why GW does what it does. I do not have that answer. Complex does not necessarily mean better.

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>>52813058
>I could stay big and use my enormous size as an advantage but no I think I'll shrink down so Leman can Bane me

What model do you AL players use to represent Alpharius at current state?

I mean seriously.

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>>52815174
I remember someone making an Alpharius using Salamander dragon bits, but I don't have that pic. Have this abomination instead.

>>52815233
ouch

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>>52809631
Here's a guide

>>52814642
Yeah, that was my idea to stop the presence of Secutarii being unfluffy - they're the Ordo Reductor boarding (and military police, since if you turn down an Arc Lance it makes a good tazer) forces, for backing up and ordering about Thallax, who are powerful but a little slow when it comes to tactics. Haywire works pretty well on doors and ship systems too, so they lead sabotage squads most times, but they will undertake planetary assault when required.
Oddly enough, that makes them more literal Space Marines than the Astartes.
Not sure whether I should convert the models at all, but they're so sexy as is I think not.

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>>52815395
>Oddly enough, that makes them more literal Space Marines than the Astartes.
Damn. OR spess combat, now that'd be fun to imagine. Srry, I'm sleepy now, will think about it tomorrow.
>Not sure whether I should convert the models at all, but they're so sexy as is I think not.
I wonder what kind of bits you'd give them.

how do I bridge the gap between Crusade era Emperors Children, and 40k Emperors Children?

I've seen WE that use red instead of blue, SOH that use lots of black instead of seagreen, I've seen DG that use majority earthy green.

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when more best captain?

>>52815930
The Emperor's Children pretty much fall into the deep end and start snorting refined Chaos as soon as they fall. I think it's mentioned that many of them had repainted their armour in various garish colours at Istvaan V.

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>>52814642
>>52815395
My Hoplites recently boarded a ship and were successful in seeing off a yiff infestation. The tight line of sight and ability to clog choke points with haywire zappy dudes who are surprisingly resilient with their rules was great fun

>>52815930
Use wilder variations of their color scheme, more gold, more contrast, perhaps pink instead of purple. You could also add more mutated looking heads or some noise marine bits here and there.

>>52816068
Aw yeah, snek Magos slithers again. How'd you do that green? It's sexy.
I never really figured Hoplites for a combat squad, but I suppose there's enough of them to make a decent show of things after the suicide drop. I was thinking they'd be great for Victory is Vengeance campaigns, too, since you can hand out one set of Defensive Grenades from the shield to every squad.

Anyone used or planning to use the Axiarch yet? He looks good, especially with a S8 Power Fist and Photon Gauntlet, where he hits almost as hard as an Archmagos.

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>>52811132
"Fuck you, it's January" size.

>>52813178
>>52813567
It is 29" tall, though. I remember seeing some images where a 28mm scale terminator was standing next to the head, on the rim of the torso.

>>52810091
As someone with two; they make excellent distractions and shred infantry.

Anyone playing traitors from the loyalist forces? Or played against them? Or even heard about them?

They seem to be a minority compared to how many loyalist DG, IW, AL, TS, etc forces are out there.

Former whoever Blackshields don't count.

>>52813178
Hey, cool, alternate warlord titan model.

>>52816819
Just needs a CML on the back, so you can run it as a plasma annihilator, titan CCW and two apocalypse missile launcher warlord.

>>52816764
Traitor Iron Hands make the most sense considering the respect strength and dying is some weak shit plus they had whole units sporting the Warmasters symbol as a reward given by Horus during th GC so having some of those units feeling cozier with Horus than with a corpse isnt that wild.

The Terran 19th wouldve sided with Horus considering he was their surrogate leader for most of the crusade.

Traitor WS are also canon, just have them fuck off to Horus instead of going back to the Khan.

>>52816839
I know the fluff reasons for why the loyalists would go traitor (I'm planning on doing it a bit for my Dark Angels) but I'm asking if anyone has ever actually played with or against any? Or even been vaguely aware of this.

>>52816764
Well, everybody that players traitor Thousand Sons for starters.

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>>52815233

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>>52815930
Paint like normal 30k style, but do some armour panels in black. lose some of the gold and white stuff too most 30k paint schemes use.

Also do a final highlight in pink rather than a bright purple. And do some pale sickly looking bare heads with Rakarth flesh ( use the colour scheme of dark eldar bare heads as an example).

If you wanna get funky, do some freehand patterns like chequers, bright colours, leopard skin

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That gorgeous base from FW.

wasted on hobbit/lotr junk that only 50 people will buy worldwide.

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>>52817182
>that only 50 people will buy worldwide.
Yeah, but that's the thing with forgeworld, they do products that a smaller subset of the community will buy because they can get away with lower production runs than GW. A forgeworld not willing to do niche stuff wouldn't be the same forgeworld at all.

Anway, yiff contemptor looks quite cool, they've managed to stop adding decorations on it at just the right point, before it starts looking silly.

>>52817182
Forge World bases in general would be awesome. I'd pay a shit ton of money for urban bases that weren't all metal like the GW ones. The GW ones in general are a little dodgy sometimes, one pack of them was fine, the second was all blobby and weird. Didn't they outsource making those to China?

>>52817235
The helmet looks terrible (though I think just about all contemptor helmets look terrible) and maybe it's the paintjob, but the trim on the shoulders looks like a cheap piece if brass was bent around it and bolted on. They shouldn't have put that raised section on the top, the edge makes it look like a seam. Also a bit disappointed they didn't do anything on the back. All the crap is on the front but from the back it looks like a regular contemptor.

>>52816890
>Thousand Sons
>loyalist legion
Kek.

Don't know why there's an ongoing argument of which legion were most dog-/wolf-like between the space wolves, war hounds and luna wolves. As we all know the legion that were actually closest of dogs in how they fought were the night lords, with their unique rite of war terrier assault.

Who makes the best squats for my survivors of a dark age abhumans?

>>52817756

Garbage.

>>52817756
Alternatively what's the best way to mod the new steampunk aos dwarves to have lasguns and rotor cannons

>>52811593
The regular rulebooks are Caslon Antique

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>>52817756
GW

>>52817844
Why would you post the only bad model of that line.

>>52818014
I see nothing wrong (or at least wronger compared with the rest of the line) with a gold propelled balloom carried dwarvish dreadknight

>>52818014

The airships aren't actually zeppelins, so are a massive dissapointment.

>>52818093
Well at least they're made of Led

>>52818140
They could build themselves a stairway to heaven.

>>52809844
This one is way better

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So, here's this mock-up of a makeshift Custodes bullock-pattern.
Thoughts?

>>52818684
FUKIN SWEET
You're doing Emperor's work anon

>>52818684
That looks fucking fantastic and shits all over the FW design. Great Job anon

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Not very fond of the lance, to be honest, but I think the rest works reasonably well.

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For some reason the bike won't stay any further tilted to the side, but I want it to have a more dynamic position in the end.

>>52818684
>>52818701
I'm most impressed that you're taking photographs in a diner.

>>52818684
That's some really nice work there, anon.

>>52818701
The blade is maybe a little bit too THICC, but it's not too bad.

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On a scale of one to exterminatus how heretical is using the 40k jump packs and plasma rifles on Mk 4 dudes?
I need some left handed pistols and I refuse to wait another six years before we get jump pack upgrade kits

>>52818736
> rifles
pistols fuck im retarded

>>52818736
not at all? Go for it dude, just fluff it out and it's fine. Most 40k gear was in the heresy era except mk7 itself.

>>52816764
>>52816839
What about Loyalist Night Lords?
no Batman though :(

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The plasma cannon is my main headache at this point. I'll need to dremel the fucking thing out, but the resin is already brittle as fuck and has innumerable bubbles in it.
Also, any ideas how to proxy a Lastrum Bolt Cannon that looks reasonable?

>>52818715
It's merely the sleeve of my tablet, since I couldn't be assed to set up any nice photo conditions. Sorry.

>>52818714
Try cutting or angling the peg more?
It might give you more tilt to the bike.

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>>52818684
>Now THIS is podracing !

Nice work

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>>52818736
I always assumed that the Jump packs were invented after the scouring which is why Raptors don't have them

But if you want Mk4 Jump packs the sanguinary guard have them

>>52818778
You could paint the plasma cannon as some weird custodes grav pulse engine or something, just make sure it doesn't have a barrel. Put some green stuff in the end of it.

>>52818799
I support this idea. The bike already has the four stormbolter barrels, that should be enough to represent the lastrum. Either remove the plasma and leave the spot bare or make it into a tech gizmo that's clearly not a gun.

>>52818778
It doesn't look exactly like a plasma cannon, (doesn't have the distinctive rounded muzzle far as I can tell,) and most people won't know what an adrathic devastator or corvae las-pulsar look like, so I'd just leave it.

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>>52818778

1/2 I'm honing in on my finalised design as we speak, admittedly I did have to shorten the nose quite a bit because of casting limitations, but I think I'm getting towards functional.

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>>52818778
>>52818994

The secondary jet will take a little finagling to look good, but my bolt cannon and head are going to be from Saggitarum.

>>52818774
Don't worry, Sevetar is loyalist. :^)

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>>52818792
1e Epic assault marines have the jump packs.

>>52818736
Pistols are fine, jump packs are not.

>>52810261
>Anything but matte
>Not pleb

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Good evening /hhg/, what are your hobby goals for the weekend? I'm aiming to finish my terminator squad.

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do all the HH books have examples of banners? I know TS and SW have examples in book 7.

I want to photocopy, cut one out, trim and attach to a pole, and varnish it.

>>52819932
Don't the transfer sheets have banner sized designs on them, what is your legion?

I'm really liking how this list looks, plus got some great feedback from a few threads ago
Just wanna post it one more time, it is an investment after all and I dont wanna have a gorgeous looking army that gets constantly curbstomped even if it's for fun games

LoW
Guilliman
400 pts
Suezarian Guard x5
Standard Bearer
200 pts

HQ
Centurion
Artificer Armour, Legantine Axe, Plasma Pistol
95 pts

Troops
Breacher Squad x10
x4 Power Swords, Power Axe, Melta Bombs
255 pts

Breacher Squad x10
x4 Power Swords, Power Axe, Melta Bombs
255 pts

Breacher Squad x10
x4 Power Swords, Power Axe, Melta Bombs
255 pts

Fast Attack
Loctarus Storm Squad x5
Power Axe, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bombs
205 pts

Loctarus Storm Squad x5
Power Axe, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bombs
205 pts

Heavy Support
Heavy Support Squad x5
Missile Launchers, Augery Scanner
190 pts

Heavy Support Squad x5
Missile Launchers, Augery Scanner
190 pts

Heavy Support Squad x5
Lascannon, Augery Scanner
240 pts

Total: 2500 pts

Guilliman goes with his suzies and the Centurion goes with a squad of breachers

>>52819992
I think the Loctarus would be better as one squad of ten rather than two of five. I would provide your Centurion with an invulnerable save too.

>>52819992
You might want to get a bargain bin HQ so you don't lose +1VP when someone snipes your Centurion

>>52819970
Yeah but they're 30 bucks australian for 1 sheet. I can get like 3 infinity character models for that price.

Death Guard and Custodes for armies though.

>>52817235
I dislike the helmet gem a lot. I hope it's from some obscure nordic reference I'm not getting, because otherwise FW artificers just went "Hey, let's add a fucking gem to the helmet just because".
>actual wolf head on shoulder
I thought they liked wolves as pets/little brothers? Wolf skulls are fine, the Imperium does that a lot, but they pretty much flayed a wolf and placed it on his shoulder. Even the contemptor is like "what the fuck the techmarine did?!"

>>52817814
Thank you.

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>>52818774
>no Batman though :(
>ywn subject your enemy to the terrifying -4Ld Curzetwist

>>52820378
desu I want the wolf shoulder for my LW, kitbashing for early crusade is fun but murder on the wallet.
>>mfw needing 5 temptors to build the one.

>>52819015
Leave this one like it is. It'll be a jet-unicycle

>>52820012
>>52820100
Thanks lads
So if I give the centurion a refractor feild and make the loctarus one ten man squad with three plasma pistols that leaves me with 75 points

any ideas one what I could do with those points?

Does the slay the warlord victory point count for an HQ if the actual warlord is the primarch?

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>>52820465

The official one is already a unicycle, that's one of the last straws that made me give up on it.

If it had secondary steering thrusters and a poseable rider I'd have sucked it up and bought them, if it was 3 for £30 I'd have sucked it up and bought them.

But shittier looking than bullock bikes, crappy poseability, no steering thrusters -and- it costs out the ass? Fuck off.

I don't think my attempt is turning out quite as cool as the converted Sammael earlier in the thread, but by casting Sammael's prow it's certainly a lot less pricey.

>>52816068
I wake up to find Magoscóatl is a Reductor. Nice. What's his name, though? Again, Reductor space combat is a thing I hadn't thought about, but they surely shine in all zones mortalis scenarios.
Fuck your friend for making me *like* the Space Wolves, man. Those axes are beautiful and they truly look like warriors, unlike some SW that look as if someone merely wanted to collect wolfy trinquets.
Those look like mighty Ulfsarks.

>>52820504
It's not slay the warlord, it's part of the ultras legion rules.

>>52819992
Are you playing the logos lectora RoW?if so you need either a master of signal or a damocles rhino

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>>52820378
I cant sauce it for you, been a long time since I read them and they were in a giant old book my dad had, but I do recall reading a saga where the viking warlord had a big fuckoff gem in the centre of the helmet

Also humans have been taxidermising their pets for thousands of years, makes sence that a dreadnought would wanna go into battle with his long dead wolf chum by his side

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>>52820626
Still, both of you are doing a great job. Especially since the back wings make them look like hussars

>>52820699
well shit

>>52820750
nah im not, I wanna be able to deep strike the Loctarus for that sweet opening salvo rule

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>>52820663
Reductor probably have equally bullshit starship weapons as personal ones, they're fleet based. I wouldn't be surprised if they could take on Astartes fleets of equal numbers and win, but their ships are all arcologies, so they pack a few less guns than you'd expect to fit all the other shit in. What weapons they do have are probably a couple tiers up the Mechanicum Bullshit Meter, though.

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>>52820337
I don't know about the books, but you can find banners for most legions online.

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>>52820762
That's good to know, thanks.
But come on man, let sparky rest in peace, not in pieces. Perhaps they're trying to become one with the wolfspirit, Idk.

>>52820504
So, about your gettin stomped....

You will, against most anything. Your HS squads are unbelievably useless in game, something like 2 vindies and an HS squad with volkite Culverin/lascannons. G-man and his boys, while Killy, have no way of getting around, which will screw you in the end. Same goes with the bleachers- cool, but not gonna do shit, probably lose 3/4 just moving upfield.

Just ran the numbers, and you could grab this as a pretty solid list instead;

>The OG Gilly
>Centurion: Termie, legatine axe

>invictus suzerians: land raider
>comtemptor: twin-kheres cannons

>Terminators: volkite/combi, 3 powerfists, 2 chainfists
>Terminators: volkite/combi, 3 powerfists, 2 chainfists

>Locaturus: 6 guys
>Locaturus: 6 guys

>HS Squad: rhino, volkite culverins, augury scanner
>Vindicator: Dozer Blade
>Vindicator: Dozer Blade

Of course there's plenty of room for customization, getting apothecaries with the storm squads for example, but it's a damn solid list, has greeeeat model, and fits well with the hammer n' anvil tactics of the Ultramarines.

Whatever you choose, good luck! Always good to see another UM player out there

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>>52820378
>>52820762
>>52820838

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>>52820435
>Still at factory-standard Ld8

Seriously, what DOES that guy work on? Custodes and Mechanicum don't give a fuck, Militia is Fearless half the time, Stubborn a quarter and always festooned with morale bubbles and standards, Solar Aux have Stobborn and Reroll Ld bubbles on anything remotely important and it doesn't work on tanks.

Among the Legiones, some are immune to fear and most won't be leaving their boxes for you to spook them, so err... other Night Lords? Raven Guard?

>>52820974
I can see Leman Russ in Henry V

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>>52819861
I'm hoping to finish up my siege tyrants

>>52821098
Few legionnaries are immune to fear. In fact most Praetors aren't even Stubborn, which would turn that Ld10 into Ld7. It is true that NLs don't fare well against mechanized enemies and fearless blobs...but that's true for the majority of astartes.
An army with Curze recieves extra spookyness (to deal with those Ld9 vet sarges) and guaranteed Night Fighting without needing the RoW, as well as a Jump Pack Primarch.
Anything else is an exta.

I'm modeling my Salamanders as being on Istvaan V, but I can't figure out what kind of basing to do for them. What was the terrain like on Istvaan V?

>>52821184
I connected the dots.
>>52821230
Black sands. Source HH2

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>>52821230
Here's the FW display board for it if that helps

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>>52821266
How the fuck did a crop became bigger than the original pic?

>>52821217
Really? Wot. So the chumpo brigade of the dregs of the Imperial Army can easily be easier to scare than the "Angels of Death"?
Guess I was right, they really are worthless wastes of resources.

>>52809889
I just want Bullocks for my scars.

>>52821289
You forgot the studs that give him an nose and a dastardly moustache

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>>52821266
>>52821281
MFW Forgeworld's own board for Istvaan doesn't match the description they gave.

>>52816269
>"Fuck you, it's January" size.
Heh, that Custodes looks pretty big-boned as well

Wonder if he blames all that gene-crafting

>>52821296
I've always said that the mortal armies were designed with the ass. At least regular Collared Levies will explode when they fail, Stubborn Ld6 is still measly Ld6.
The Zealot provenance does change the way the Militia plays by a lot, since it fixes the Ld problem, and gives up their dumb Str3 handguns for enhanced attacks. Combine it with Fear Rending and a billion bodies and it's one of FW's trademark combos, while their Russes are unaffected...
But it'd be your own fault to try to beat them at their own game.
NLs and the rest of marines have guns, and at BS4. Shoot those fuckers, Militiamen are even wearing 5+ or worse.
Don't let fear take a hold of (You), anon, and adapt your plans instead of literally playing a single-meme army! What would Guilliman/Alpharius do? Go fuck them up.

Dumbass question time, this probably gets asked a lot but had a look in the FAQ in the OP links and didn't see anything. Can you add apothecaries to units which are deploying via Scout or Infiltrate? (Assuming it's not a legion (e.g. RG/AL) that can get those as part of their Legiones Astartes rules, so the apothecary doesn't have the rule itself.)

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>>52821317
Daemonic armour spotted

>>52821492
no, as per the 40k 7th ed FAQ... IC without scout/infiltrate cannot join units which have it... (i think)

>>52821492
I'd say "sure why not", but cannot prove it
>Carry me.
>What?
>Carry me.
>You have two legs, you can walk
>Yeah but I'll make a lot of noise if I do
>Why can't you infiltrate like the rest of us?
>Oh I'm sorry, I was busy training on how to save your goddammed lives, now stop complaning and carry me!

>>52821492
The apothecary is a Character so why not. He's also "attached" and not joined to a unit.

Hey all I have a question about the word bearers, specifically did they corrupt any other legions did they succeded in turning any loyalist forces to become traitors?

>>52822079
Yeah, IIRC they turned the Sons of Horus traitor

>>52821618
wow, make up more rules and talk shit why don't you

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>>52821492
No.

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Could (lorewise) an Archmagos beat a Praetor from one of the close combat legions in a scrap?

>>52822124
I meant more like the dark angels or Raven guard, I figured they had turned most of the traitor legions first but I was curious if they did it to others as well.

>>52822244
yes... of course

>>52822264
No, that's why we call them "loyalist legions".

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>>52819015
>>52820465

>>52822244
Could happen.
Probably not though.

>>52822296
But what about the dark Angels on Caliban?

>>52822079
The white scars would be the obvious one, it was WB-induced warrior lodges that turned part of the legion to Horus's side. But most of those didn't stay on the traitor side, they fought on the loyalist side as the sagyar mazan.

>>52821537
>>52822218
Thing is, the apothecary isn't an Independent Character, it's just a character with its own special rule. Think that's why there's confusion.

>>52822244
The Praetor would probably run circles around him, slicing and chopping mechadentrites away. Then the Archmagos would punch the lights out of that marine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTLRrMpoQ44
I'm also thinking of a different scenario, where a Reductor Archmagos would bisect a biker Praetor with his S6 Paragon Blade after he reduced him to T3 using rad grenades and the Furnace

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>>52822399
I'm sure BL is going to BL it up in the future, but at present Luther just ODed on forbidden lore while trying to get enough power ups to keep Caliban safe from monsters and industrialization.

>>52822244
Only in the same way a Snotling could beat a Praetor.

>>52822757
So, by telefragging him? That doesn't seem outside the bounds of possibility for the mechanicum.

>>52822265
>>52822340
>>52822565
>>52822757

Oh god, so many conflicting answers. I'm imagining >>52822565 as probably the coolest fight, though. Could an Archmagos build himself a remote body or something just to run around and do stupidly dangerous and fun things with? I mean, they can control robots pretty well.

>>52822757

OK, that sounds a bit much, even for someone like me who hasn't read many of the books. What's the reasoning?

Coming from a mostly BaC/ BoP meta, I wanted to do a "lightning strike" (HA) force of veterans accompanying Cruze
I might take Tartaros instead of Cataphractii

Konrad Curze

Legion Centurion Artificer Armour, Nostraman Chainglaive, Refractor Field
Consul: Primus Medicae


Legion Terminator Squad Cataphractii Terminator Armour
3x Chainfist , Nostraman Chainglaive
10x Terminators
. Legion Spartan Assault Tank: Flare Shield

Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier,
9x Legion Veteran Space Marines
2x Plasma gun
Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Nostraman Chainglaive

Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier,
9x Legion Veteran Space Marines
2x Missile Launcher and Suspensor Web
Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Nostraman Chainglaive

Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier,
9x Legion Veteran Space Marines
2x Plasma gun
Sergeant: Artificer Armour, Nostraman Chainglaive

Legion Predator Strike Armoured Squadron
2x Legion Predator Tank: Heavy Bolter Sponsons, Machine Spirit, Predator Cannon

Legion Sicaran Battle Tank
Armoured Ceramite, Heavy Bolter, Lascannon Sponsons, Pintle-mounted Heavy Bolter

Primarch's Chosen
[2500pts]

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Hello hhg, got a quick question.
Where is it written that Perurabo and the iron warriors play warhammer tabletop, and Perty has a mechanical warhound titan model? I cant seem to locate the source.

>>52822839
Angel Exterminatus.

>>52822839
Sounds like shit McNeil would pull.

>>52822854
thanks friendo

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>>52822821
>Could an Archmagos build himself a remote body
That would be a great idea. Satarael has many bodies, but generally jumps between them after self-destructing.
Then again, he is a veritable case of a mind inside a machine. Say your Archmagos still lives because his personality and memory is backed up at the command ship, but each time a particular body "dies" any memory he didn't "back up" dies alongside that body.
And man, Magi would hate to die carrying that information.

Is Magnus traitor-only?

>>52823006
No, he can be the LoW in your tau army
>:^)

>>52823006
I want you to think about what you just said.

>>52822822
Its, uhhh, boring. You've got a spartan deathstar and thirty marines worth of veterans in rhinos. You don't even have a legion where that works well, like Salamanders or SoH. Konrads biggest benefits lie in his mobility, which is shared with very few primarchs-Corax and Morty are the only ones as mobile as him. He also gives his unit a permanent 4+ cover save in the open due to stealth and shrouded, which, when combined with night fighting and nightlord +2 to cover on the first turn, gives him and his boys a 2+ cover in the open for the first turn, and probably a 3+ cover after that. Add him to a unit of twenty ass marines or some raptors, with an apothecary, and thats your NL deathstar. Basically, your list is painfully generic and doesnt really gain much from being NL, you would be better served doing the same list but with a different legion, since both gameplay and fluff are gimped this way.

That said, since you seem to like the idea of this list, take tartaros. take two chainfists and then PFists on everyone else. Spartan needs armoured ceramite, else some rhino or deepstriker is gonna blow it up turn 2. Chainglaives are pretty, but either bring a meltabomb too or a powerfist instead. Rhinos can now take multimeltas, never dont do this, it means the enemy must kill them ASAP instead of ignoring them. Predators are alright at killing infantry, but you already do that really really well, so they kinda overlap in purpose a lot. Sicaran is goodstuff, cant go wrong easily.

You have no good method of destroying AV14 without fisting it with your one deathstar. You have no anti-air at all. You bring a primarch deathstar in a spartan, totalling around 1200 or so points, in a legion which does not really support doing so in the same way that SoH, WE, DG or sallies do. While its not horrendous for calth/prospero list #1, it lacks a great deal.

>>52823057
>You can have traitor Russ, TRAITOR VALDOR and loyalist Magnus
Like a true reenacting of Prospero, huh? I love Inferno :^)

>>52823057
>>52823133
So no?

>>52822942
You could fluff that every time he backs up his data, it corrupts a little bit more. So he is slowly going batshit insane but no-one questions it because he's a fucking Archmagos.

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>>52822942
That was pretty much what I was going for, would be the first thing I'd do if I found myself an Archmagos.

His response to losing a battle is "Dammit, I liked that gun", cloning another five thousand cannon fodder and turning some into Thallax and strapping more guns onto shitty APCs and then just carrying on.

I also like to imagine that he has one body that he augments with entirely non-visible stuff, finds some BS2 Levies to fight and pretends to be a Matrix character in his spare time.

>>52823242

Archmagi are not batshit insane by default? I evidently misread the one that made a giant army of glowy snowmen and the other one who did a Land Leviathan up as an Age of Sail frigate to explore planets with, complete with Servitors in uniforms.

>>52822821
>Could an Archmagos build himself a remote body or something just to run around and do stupidly dangerous and fun things with?
Yes and no. Yes, because that literally happens in Sons Of The Forge, Regulus skips bodies multiple times. No, because that novel was written by Nick Kyme. NICK. KYME.

>>52823268
Well they are batshit insane in predictable ways, they each have their fetishes and can be expected to follow them to the extreme. Archmagos Data Drive would just be completely nuts, giving orders to not allow the number of Mechandrties you have to be a multiple of 6, or in fits of absolute insanity, he could openly innovate

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Anyone got the MP3 of this to share?

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>>52823380
Or the mp3 of this?

>>52822244

Lorewise the archmagos would fight the praetor and some once-named tacticals who always have chainswords in melee and probably kill a tactical or two before having an elongated fight scene that goes for 2 paragraphs too many before the praetor "just barely" completely eviscerates the archmagos.

See how marine captains fight daemons in 40k

The praetor will win every time due to protagonist syndrome