warhammer 40k general /40kg/

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r8, h8 and ber8

This is for our semi-competitive group. I'm likely to face Eldar, MC-spam Tau, Crons, Guard, Nids, CSM, all flavors of SM, and AdMech.

Idea was to build a fairly powerful list that doesn't make you want to tear your hair out. I played something similar against my mate's Dark Eldar and got fucking tabled. That time I only had a CAD though, this time I'm bringing the Hunter Contingent and double the markerlights.

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>>52801289
Reposting R8 and h8

>>52801314
What is this a list for ants?

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>>52801324
Yes..

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>>52801289
With all these lists I thought I would post something fluffy. C&c for skitarii/ironhands/ordo xenos explorer force?

Nth for only buy miniatures

>>52801359
PDF/10

>>52801289
Re-posting:

Got a 2k game tonight, and i wanted to run chaos:

[That abbadon termintor formation]
5 Terminators, 4 fists, MoT, power fists, combi-plasma 222
Abbadon 265
[ CAD Iron warriors]
Chaos lord, Power axe, fleshmetal exo. 110
1 Oblit 140
Oblit
5 Havoks, 4 lascannons 155

[CAD alpha legion]
Deamon prince, nurgle, lvl 3 spell familiar, wings, PA, hydra blade, gift of mutation 350
lvl 3 soc, termintor, combi-melta, mind veil 172

Chosen, 2 plasma guns 125
8 chosen, melta gun, rhino comb-melta power sword, power fist 239

Cultist, 10 autoguns 60
Cultist, 10 autoguns 60
Cultist, 10 autoguns 60

i am still 50 points short, any ideas?

How many grenade launchers should Ravenwing black knights take per member?

>>52801382
Non shooting cultists

>>52801324
He's the Death Guard biker autist, of course he's retarded.

>>52801395
are they realy worth it? at least gun cultists can kill a marine or three

>>52801396
The one who spams bikes in every FA slot, or the one who screams when bikes are used at all?

>>52801411
if you took a look at his list, i'm sure you could figure it out.

I am continually in a state of disbelief at how awful the Guilliman model is.

There's so much wrong with it. The armor is ugly. The pose is generic. The HH model was so much better. Fan conversions to make better poses are so much better. I just don't understand what went so wrong.

>>52801415
Nothing wrong with his list you fucking tard

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Played a pretty amazing 2000pt Guardanon on Guardanon game yesterday /tg/ was a Maelstrom game and all I'm gonna say is it came down to one point. Think you lads would like a batrep?
And what's the closest game you ever played?
Also game /army pics for the God Emperor

>>52801311
That's a lot of Blood Tithe points anon.

Do you have anything that will make grey knights able to assault tau after deepstriking.

I want the most anti clusterfuck list you can imagine.

I want this because of reasons.

>>52801431
>Is this the guy who hates bikes?
>List includes bikes
gee I wonder.

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Thoughts on this list?

>>52801441
He doesn't spam them either so how is he being a biker autist?

>>52801441
Why are you calling him an autsist though?

>>52801440
No.
Only a few armies can assault from reserves.

>>52801456
I'm not the guy who said that originally, i'm just saying it's a fairly self-evident answer to your question of whether he likes or dislikes bikes.

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>Smaller
>Shitty weapons
>Shitty armour
Are Rhinos better than Chimeras in the fluff?

If so, how?
If not, why do Space Marines not use Chimeras instead?

>>52801479
Rhinos are designed to carry marines, fit in the marines deployment craft and share chassi and parts with the predator tanks.

>>52801479

They are much more self sufficient, which is important for a rapid deployment strike force that can't be sure of supply lines.

It's why on the TT they have the ability to repair immobilized on themselves.

>>52801479
They're meant to cheap, easy to produce and more self sufficient, not better.

It doesn't matter if they get blown up because their cargo is power armoured super soldiers.

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Has anyone seen some good rough rider conversions?

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Just clearing something up, Necron Gauss weapons autowound on a 6 to wound, Invuln saves can't be taken against those can they?

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SW:A scans
https://mega.nz/#!0tcUTSLI!CbZfDWqYYe0C2sIDLNlHCh1Wj9I6uihERaaGEb6wk3c

>>52801439
It's kind of MSU-y so that I can pick and choose my targets more freely. It also helps with the +1 BS bonus to shooting with 3 units from the Hunter Contingent. The Broadsides are in single units because you need a minimum of 3 units for the Ranged Support Cadre, which gives my pathfinders Shrouded.

>>52801479
Depends what you mean by better. Long story short, they're cheap and easy to produce, and the chassis is versatile enough to fulfil most combat roles. Sure the Chimera might be better but if I want one I have to place my order with the Adeptus Mechanicus and wait 8-12 years for delivery. The Rhino can built in my fortress monastery's workshop and be ready by next month.

>>52801584
*8-12 years not guaranteed, pattern may vary, terms and conditions may apply

>>52801552
What makes you think that? It's an automatic wound regardless of toughness, not an unsaveable wound.

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I'm not GGA, but I have brown guard and many of them. Would anyone be interested in some battle reports when I have games? my local gw is chill and pretty casual, there's even painted tau

>>52801598
Probably the automatic part, confusing wording, thanks for clearing that up though.

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>>52801479
They fulfill different roles. The Rhino is an APC that's designed to haul around Marines and fit in Marine aircraft like the Thunderhawk Transporter. Chimera is an IFV designed to move Guardsmen around and support them once they get there.

>>52801433
>And what's the closest game you ever played?
Enclave Crisiswing vs Thousand Sons.
Really small format - just a Commander, two Ta'RoChas of Crisis suits with drones, two Pirahnas and one tetra on my side, two ML3 sorcs, one stock unit of Rubrics on a Rhino and one footsloging (but actually flying on the scroll) unit of Sarab Occult.

Now TS are usually pretty terrible, but seeing as my army was all Sv3+ and I rolled really bad on terrain generation so there were not much BLoS on the map.

We both went for glass cannon armies so things started dying spectacularly fast from the tuen one.

By the end of turn 4 only four models left on the map - my Commander, a stray drone from one of Pirahnas and a Chaos Spawn that used to be ML3 Sorcerer before he killed my Crisis Shas'vre in Challenge and rolled Spawnhood, and an immobilized Tetra with one HP. WIth some hilariousl rolls they fought in close combat till turn 7, spawn mmanged to kill the drone and take two wounds out of him, but died.

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>>52801543
I'm not sure if the idea's any good, but every now and then I consider grabbing a pair of dark rider boxes to use as rough riders. They've got the spears and holstered gun-like weapons.

Just a matter of a head swap and ditching some of the errant spikes and symbols. Maybe covering up the cloak leaves with some GS furs.

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So instead of being a WAACfag and playing biker and centurion grav spam ive decided to use this list in an upcoming tourney.
1000pt, 1 CAD

Thoughts?

Im tempted to either drop the Sternguards Heavy Flamer, or Nocturnes Fury down to a regular flamer, to put dozer blades on the razorbacks but is fire > mobility?

>>52801479
Chimeras are more heavily equipped but rhinos are faster, more durable can carry marines who weigh about 500kgs each in power armour and have greater range and can be dropped from smaller transports.

The table top representation is accurate. The rhino pops and you are shit scared of the contents. A chimera pops and the guardsmen pop too

>>52801617
Technically the rhino could also fit in the cargo bay of the regular thunderhawks. GW just ditched that when they decided to make their 40k-scale metal (and tiny) thunderhawk.

>>52801520
Well, Rhinos aren't cheap, but they're cheap to mantain and repair, as their chassis is almost indestreuctible - some Rhinos were in acitve use since the Great Crusade, and were destroyed and rebuild thousans of times.

>>52801685
>almost indestructible

as long as you don't shoot at them, I guess

>>52801705
>chimera hit
>thick layer of chunky guardsmen on everything
>thick layer of chunky tank on everything

>rhino hit
>marines pile out and beat the offender to death with his own limbs
>rhino dragged away to plug the hole with green stuff and put it back into service

Which is better for Belial: his AP3 Fleshbane sword and storm bolter or a TH/SS?

Rhino Chassis are tough, engines, plating and threads aren't. You can wreck it quite easily, but the wreck would still contain mostly functioning chassis that could be rebuilt into Rhino quickly and for (relatively) cheap.

>>52801744
Is this even a questuion?

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You lot think having these two lists fight would be fun? Kill team btw

16x Shootaboy, 1x Nob with shoota
3x Warbuggy, 2x rokkit 1x big shoota

VS

tac squad with heavy bolter and flamer
Rhino with Hunter-Killer missile

Rhinos should be fast or assault vehicles and the "holy shit this tank is so baller that it can actually repair itself" rule should kick in more frequently than on a 6.

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tips?

>>52801744
TH/SS is always the better option, unless you can get something AP2 that strikes at initiative.

What's the best factions for Tourney?

>>52801763
Sort of because the only way I can give him the TH/SS is if I cut off the nub on his right arm (which is what allows his storm bolter arm to stick on).

>>52801785
eldar, daemons, vanilla marines

>>52801787
magnets

>>52801785
Daemons (and R&H)
Eldar
Space Marines (including DA and other SM-focused Imperial Superfriends style lists)
Tau

Note that there is a gap between those first three and Tau and that well-played and moderately lucky Daemons are easily the best.

>>52801819
>Note that there is a gap between those first three and Tau and that well-played and moderately lucky Daemons are easily the best.
slight corredction, there is basically 1/2 builds for deamons, with 3/4 of the codex being high mid teir at best

>>52801806
I don't have any magnets small enough to fit on this guy.

>>52801382
Any feedback on this?

>>52801837
And Space Marines might as well be Codex: Grav Cannons and ObSec Transports. Doesn't change that Daemons are one of the best armies in the game.

>>52801819
First are SoB
I've won tournaments by just baiting people into bad plays. "Afraid of a bunch of girls" "I dare to face my girls out in the open! Are you afraid?"

Till a player with half a brain shows up and I have to actually play.

>>52801543
good? No I tried my own conversions with some old chaos riders.

Next time I want to use Scions and AoS Dark Elf Cold one riders and at that price point I will run them as deathriders.

>>52801899
>that sperg that thinks he's some sort of psychological genius and spend half the game trying to taunt you into obvious misplays
Please stop. It doesn't actually work.

>>52801846
then wait until you do

>>52801846
>>52801922
or convert your own Belial

>>52801920
It does, granted it only worked once.

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holy shit who designed the dreadknight and how do we lynch them

Seriously it's the stupidest fucking model ever, it could have been so much better like pic related.

>>52801899
i've found people don't know how to play against daemons and get surprised when i can ignore stuff like morale checks with army wide 5++

Red Guard Guy with a quick report on VS Death Guard and VS Tyranids last night.

Fuck Gargoyles
Fuck T5 fnp

>>52801650
Why dont you just get Pistoliers ? Dark Riders have a weird crouched stance that really dont fit RR.

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>>52801982
Or like this too

>>52801982
no, there are much worse. the dreadknight is an easy fix

>>52801992
This was Kill Teams btw I'm just too tired to remember to say that apparently.
Hammer of Wrath plus Blind is some straight up A+ bullshit

>>52801992
>T5 FNP

There is literally no reason to not take manticores every time.

And how do you get rekts by gargoyles ? Theyre T3 with 6+ save.

>>52802001
>Why dont you just get Pistoliers ?
Pistoliers lack lances and are fucking ugly, stationary models.

>>52802037
See>>52802035

Gargoyles were being used as guided debuffs while Warriors just casually strolled to objectives. It was amazing how he could shut down each and every Plague Marine for at least two turns.

>>52802017
>no, there are much worse
nah

>>52801982
a tired father who wanted to imagine himself as a giant mech.

Do Exodites have any purpose besides giving Eldar motivation for righteous vengeance?

>>52802145
Yeah, being Space Wood Elves and GW never making them a playable faction

>>52802089
another bit you're overlooking or taking for granted is how easy it is to build. while i love the exalted seeker chariot i can't deny that it's a terrible model to build and has moldlines out the ass

the dreadknight looks like a solid chunk of plastic

>>52802197
who gives a fuck

im talking about the design of the model, it doesnt matter if its a solid piece of plastic if it looks like a s olid piece of shit

What is the psyker power that lets you summon burning chariots, and where can I find it? It's definitely not sacrifice for summoning heralds.

>>52801543
dunno what theme you're going for but pistoleers + Victoria miniatures rough rider arms + optional head would get you a pretty good rough rider unit. (picklehelm heads with gas mask would get you closeish to DKoK)

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What would be some good models to use this paint on?

https://culturehustle.com/products/black-v1-0-beta-the-world-s-mattest-flattest-blackest-art-material

It's basically Commercial Vantablack, that thing that's the blackest possible black, but this one was developed because artists wanted to be able to use it, but only one artist owns the rights to it, so this was developed. I was thinking of bashing up a Blackstone fortress model from scratch and using this on the weapons.

Or using it to paint Necron or Eldar warp weaponry.

>>52801479
>Doesn't knows the difference between an M113 and a Bradley, and why the former is often considered one of the best light vehicles ever while the latter is often mocked as a Master of None that only works because it's stuffed to the gills with technology

Bitch, do you even panzer? If your using the Rhino's gun and not flat-outing or popping smoke you've either already dropped the marines on an objective and are using the rhino as a los blocker or your doing it wrong

>>52801600
Yeeeees this thread needs more batreps and fewer balance arguments. Post Games!

>>52802221

I don't think you want to use this thing on models. Sounds like it would make it hard to see the details.

>>52802262
Yeah, that was what I thought, hence why I was thinking of using it for effects, like just on the tip of void or warp weapons to produce that kinda look.

>>52802244
>>52801479
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQ2lO3ieBA

>>52801982
>>52802007
Those clenched fists... Just like a RoboCop figure for kids...

>>52801433
What a lucky game for me. Switching to Escalation rules really turned the game around for you, but dedicating my rolls to Buddha saved the day for me.

How to handle Wraiths?

>>52801600
Those "brown" Russ look just like RGG stuff and now I'm going to constantly confuse the two of you.

>>52802285
yeah I know but that's actually hard to fix

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>>52801358
Looks like you got everything covered. A sorcerer as a battery could be useful.

>>52802291
Fix Bayonets

>>52802291
Bolter, Flamer and Melta

Is not like I have more option with my copy pasted codex.

>>52802291
Autocannons are the usual method. No reanimation protocols on wraiths, just make them roll dice until they fail enough.

things that fuck with invulnerable saves can also do the job, but those are getting fewer and farther between

>>52802291
Throw so many fucking dice at them that they fail a save eventually. AP doesn't matter since they have the 3+ invuln, just try to put as many wounds as possible on those assholes.

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>>52801776
Needs transport. Either rhinos or drop pods. Blood claws are not very good against other marines, they suffer from not denying armour at all.

>>52802337
You poor, poor son of a bolter bitch.

Fuck it. Had an Spess Mehreen army painted as UltraSmurfs. You know what? Fuck them all. I'm repainting them. They will become true Spess Mehreens, Imperial Fucking Fists. Because their Primarch was the best tree—house builder in the Galaxy. And Bolters, Fuck Yeah.

Also, they are fucking yellow. I may even use them as Fucking Angry Marines.

What were the Night Lords called pre-Curze?

>>52801776
Your HQ is badly underequiped and why on earth does do you take a chainfist and meltabombs?

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>>52802359
I would like to be the son of a Bolter Bitch.

Cause, you know.

Badass

>>52802381
Night Lords

>>52802381
I think that they were the Night Lords

>>52801440

Stormraven with 2 combat squads of Purifiers in, disembark and dump all your warp charge into Cleansing Flame. This kills the Pathfinders, Fire Warriors and Stealth Suits. Might plink some wounds off of Crisis and bigger threats too. That's all I got though.

>>52802359
If I'm a son of a Bolter Bitch that means I would end in the Scholum thingy?

Guess it could be worst.

>>52802037
I still don't get it. Why are Gargoyles a problem, even in Kill Team? They're gaunts with wings

>>52802422
You may be drafted into the Astra Militarum Imperial Guard OR into the Imperial Navy. That would be the worst.

This way, you'll become a fucking Commissar, dude.

>>52802381
Not sure but I think Night Lord's or something like that

>>52802368
1d4chan memes don't make you cool, junior

>>52802461
In that place,
Crazy faithful bitches are Sororitas
Crazy Bitches are Scion
Crazy Bossy Bitches are Comissars
Crazy book worm Bitches are beurocrats

I'm missing something?

>>52802291

Use CC walkers.
S10 melee will kill one in a single hit and reduce their chances of RP kicking in.
Even if you don't get past the 3++, they're unlikely to do any damage to your front armour.

>>52801878
True, but with the issue of how GW treats Daemons as 4 mini factions in the same codex it does kinda warrant a mention.

There's a big difference between a Daemon Tournament list that is a Khorne Daemonic Incursion and one that is a Tzeentch Daemonic Incursion.

>Not arguing as a whole Daemons is one of the strongest. Especially if RNGesus is with them.

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>7.2
>7.2
>7.2
>7.2
>7.2
>7.2

>>52802438
Blind son, Blind. HoW means free blind on charge PER gargoyle.

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>listen to today's audiobook
>Yvraine has found a flower of Isha
>It's a magical flower not seen since the War of Heaven. The flower is born in the footfalls of Isha the Maiden Goddess of Life

Guys, guys. I am literally shaking right now. This is a major omen of hope for the Eldar. The Eldar no longer have to fear. Everything is going be okay. The Eldar will ascend back to their rightful place among the stars. The Tyranny of Chaos will be broken over the Eldar. There is hope!

As for the humans? Nah, they are still fucked. But who cares about them anyways?

Im playing a 1000 point match soon, what's the worst I can face? (Forgeworld excluded)

>>52802536
Crazy flying bitches join the navy as pilots

>>52802600
>inb4 the necrons shank yvraine in her moment of triumph
>trazyn smiles and readies a tesseract

>>52802291
Drop on them a Kharbydis with 20 khorne berserkers

Rip and tear

>>52802611
Since chastity is not a thing in the schola or Sororitas how far into pregnancy would they do their duties?

My mind is confused and laughing at the idea of a commissar executing Guardswomen while breastfeeding her baby

>>52802606
Uh, fucking anything? Nigger there are 30 fucking armies. I can anticipate you're going to face about 1000 pts of another army

>>52802593
>>>/v/

>>52802536
Crazy inquisitive Bitches are...... guilty of heresy

>>52802606
A competent player?

>>52802606

Riptide Wing, Spooky D-ghosts, Ravenwing, Traitor legions Nurgle bikers, Necron-unkillable-Decurion, the list goes on.

>>52802597
>In close combat, a model with this biomorph can exchange all of its normal Attacks to make a single blinding venom attack, which uses the following profile.

How are they blinding you again?

>>52802651
Let me reformulate. What are the most cheesy, competitive things I need to fear?

>>52802395
>>52802402
>>52802462
Reason I ask is because a lot of legions had different names e.g. Dusk Raiders. On wikis they usually just refer to pre-Curze NL as VIIIth Legion.

>>52802691
Riptide spam, Wave Serpent spam?

>>52802606
Stormsurges or Knights

>>52802536

Crazy social bitches are Sisters Famulous.

>>52802693
It's because they haven't told us the name yet. We don't know all of the pre-primarch names, and some legions didn't have a name until they recieved their primarch.

>>52801552
Auto-wound = no to-wound roll


Not the same as unsaveable, don't be that guy

>>52802593
Which means it's actually a 5.

>>52802703
Those bitches are one of the scariest thing in the Imperium, they are basically controlling the nobility with tits, ass, pussy, Bolter and Faith. While looking good doing it.

>>52802646
I'd guess they'd just wait till the child was born, mark him or her as from good breeding stock to be put into the schola themselves later, and be carted off into an orphanage until they're of age.

>>52802679
I don't know Tyranids. Can I assume he was confusing it with the Guerilla Specialist bonus then?

>>52802344
You don't have nearly enough autocannons to kill a 2W 3++ model with BS3 units.

>>52802733
Maybe.

But then only ONE Gargoyle can Blind.

Just wanted clarification, as Gargoyles can ONLY get Blind via their Blinding Venom attack, which ONLY affects that single attack.

>>52802709
thx bb

>>52802748
You may spam Predators in a SM army. They are BS4.

And yes, you can take that many autocannos in the IG, so don't worry

>>52802722
Don't want to be, was just confused on the wording is all, thank you for the help.

>>52802767
It wasn't my game and this guy is notorious for misreading rules so I assume that's what happened. I feel bad for DG then since they by all rights would've rolled over them if not for blind every turn.

>>52802488
1d4 is full of cucks, shit memes and cancer.

>>52802817
no shit. it does get people into the hobby though, which is always good, and then once they realise that most normal people don't talk in memes, they can shed that persona and be like everyone else.

>>52802817
1d4's page on /pol/ never ceases to amaze me. It's just so... angry.

>>52802780
>And yes, you can take that many autocannos in the IG, so don't worry
You can't. You'd have to tailor your whole list around autocannon spam which just means getting stomped by the rest of the necron army.

Invulns were a mistake.

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Anons, the DA transfer is sold out.

Also, I wish Missile Launchers were good in tac squads

>>52802814
Oh I know. Just giving you a heads up in case he tries that again. Not trying to say you fucked up.

>>52802907
Re rolling saves and second saves are the mistake.

Things with FnP/RP are a chore to kill.

>>52802951
They weren't a mistake, making them so common and easy to get ahold of was the mistake.

>>52802930
I'm sure it wasn't intentional he's just reading impaired

>>52803049
Again, never would call him a cheater. Got a few reading impaireds in my group.

Usually after we find out one of us played wrong we just let them know we got the rules wrong for next time.

>>52802748
if you can kill a tactical squad with autocannons, you can kill a squad of wraiths with autocannons

another alternative is anything with poison

>>52802007
10/10 Would Loot Again

>>52803118
>if you can kill a tactical squad with autocannons
you cant though you silly

>>52803166
Since the game is a d6 system. Unless you can't really wound the target you can't kill anything. You just need those failed saves.

If a battlesuit activates countermeasures, can my techpriest's "awaken the machine" let me fire the main cannon of my Russ at it anyways?

>>52802600
just in time for the tyranids to eat existance.

>>52802646
>Sororitas
>pregnant
Fuck, you just reminded me of that 'making better Diggas' scenario some Ork anon brought up a month back.

Thanks for that.

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>>52801982
OR like dis uze grotz!

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>>52803216
Ages past, in the War in Heaven, the Eldar Gods walked alongside mortals. These times are coming back again.

What the fuck can Tyranids do to literal gods wielding weapons made from starlight and souls? Yriel made the Hivemind cry out in pain when he delivered a wound to it. Think what an actual god can do to the Hivemind.

The Tyranids are nothing to Aledari.

>>52803179
We are talking practically you dolt, it talkes ~7 autocannon shots to down a tacical, and they are even worse vs wraiths.Dont be stupid

>>52803257
it is so refreshing to get new 40k art that doesn't have horrible early 2000's/90's manface syndrome. It's really refreshing. Yrvaine is cute.

>>52803257
>What the fuck can Tyranids do to literal gods wielding weapons made from starlight and souls?
eat them

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>>52803273
Yncarne is qter.

>>52802600
>inb4 Ghazghkull pulls a Grimgor Ironhide and kicks Yvraine in the groin with his gigantic metal boot

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Looking to buy some forge world bits on ebay. Is there any good way to tell whats real and whats recast?

>>52803257
You are such a boring fag. No wonder you play the most special snowflake faction, because you're stupid.

>>52803257
>What can an actual god do to the hivemind
probably kill it. question is, what can they do to whatever chased the nids away from where they came from.

>>52803306
But I don't play Tau though?

>>52803257
>The Doom of Malan'tai is a uniquely adapted Tyranid Zoanthrope that has the ability to feed not upon flesh and blood but upon the psychic energy and souls of its victims.

>There are some who belief the Neurothrope strain to be the progeny of the Doom of Malan'tai, which is a truly horrifying concept for all sentient races.

Tyranids are good. Neurothropes will just eat their gods.

Side note: if Tyranids can produce bugs that eat souls. Can't Tyranids just eat Daemons to permanently destroy them?

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>>52803296
Of course it is, how can anyone compete with David Bowie?

>>52803334
Yes they could, but no one cares to write fluff about Nids.

>>52803334
Eating a soul is not the same as eating a daemon or eating a god.

>>52803304
If they look good then they are recast.

Every time I bought from FW the fucking are bent to hell, full of bubbles and broken. Recaster are brittle but do not suck ass for some odd reason.

>>52803334
Because they have no need to. They don't go into the warp, and demons don't come out of the warp to attack them. Tyranids only face demons if a hive fleet comes across a world with a demonic incursion already occuring

>>52803308
>question is, what can they do to whatever chased the nids away from where they came from.
Point Gork and Mork in it's general direction and say "That guy says there's such a thing as 'too much dakka'", and then kick back and watch whatever scared the nids get krumped good an' proppa by the greenskin's gods?

>>52803351
It kinda is, since demons and God's are just lots of souls together.

>>52803334
Probably, but that's compared to trying to eat an infinite number of burgers that are actively trying to kill you. So, it probably isn't much different from them eating crap in realspace.

>>52803375
I could believe that, because Gork and Mork are gods that use meme magic and anger.

>>52803371
Warpstorms are all over the galaxy spewing daemons all over the place. 1/4 of the galaxy is now covered by the Eye of Terror.

Daemon encounters chance increased by 300%

>>52803386
>that's compared to trying to eat an infinite number of burgers that are actively trying to kill you.
Send in the americans

>>52803383
Not really. In Shadowbrink, all the Hivemind did was siphon the energy that sustained daemons in real space which caused daemons to lose their grips on reality and be drawn back in the Warp.

>>52803407
Tyranids will probably begin evolving more neurothropes then
Asking if Tyranids can beat something is like asking if Batman can beat someone with prep time.

>>52803412
That would provide them with quite the conondrum. Risk bodily harm in order to catch and eat the burgers with their own hands, or shoot the burgers first and risk choking on bullets.

How to make a non boring IG killteam? A bunch of vanilla bodies sounds meh and vehicles are not that great when krak exists and can be thrown per model.

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>>52803304

If seller location is Hong Kong/China/Russia/Eastern Europe, then its a recast

>>52803427
can batman beat the Tyranids with prep time, while the Tyranids are trying to beat batman?

>>52803363
>Recaster are brittle but do not suck ass for some odd reason.

Nice meme.

>>52803427
The Necrons are the first foe that Tyranids faced from this galaxy. There is no reports of Tyranids evolving to counter Necron weaponry. Don't overestimate the Tyranids abilities.

>>52803440
It would be tough but Batman would probably win.

>>52803453
>There is no reports of Tyranids evolving to counter Necron weaponry.
Probably because necrons don't write reports, duh

>>52803455
but would Batman truly win, because he would have to kill the Tyranids, and as such break his code of honour.

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>>52803444
Well this is GW resin and supposedly made by FW.

First batch on top, third batch on bottom.

Thank god GW is incompetent and send two models, that way I can make one

>>52803453
I'm not a nids player or nids fan boy, but don't the Hive fleets avoid active tomb worlds? because there's nothing to eat? Why would they waste effort and biomass evolving to fight an enemy for no gain?

>>52803472
The 5th ED cron codex has a whole page about two crypteks writing a report about a Necron vs Orks engagement. Necrons are obsessive over the details.

>>52803502
>Necrons are obsessive over the details.
CRYPTEKS are.
Your average 'cron though? Not so much.

>>52803501
The Tyranids might be avoiding active tomb worlds but not all tomb worlds are active. Dormant tombs being nomed by Tyranids will defend themselves.

Also the Silent King and his thralls actively seek Hive Fleets to destroy.

>>52803304
Best bet:
>Is it significantly cheaper than Forgeworld? If yes probably a recast.

>>52803431
Take a chimera
Give it heavy bolter turret and hull
Grab a veteran squad with a heavy weapons team heavy bolter.
And Strakken

I give you the biggest o-bolters!

Take a chimera
Paint it bright yellow
Give it a flamer turret and hull mounted flamer
Grab a veteran team
Flamer and heavy flamer them

>Seatbelts, everyone! We're on the burnin' school bus!
And we're gunna bake us some Ork pie!

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>>52803453
How would one evolve against getting his very atoms torn apart?

>>52803544
Extra layers of redundant atoms to protect the important atoms. Obviously.

>>52803544
Some sort of negative mass defence mechanism

>>52803484
No it wouldn't batman doesn't kill people, space bugs arent people

>>52803568
I don't that's how anything works.

>>52803444
>nice meme
Nice meme

>>52803573
So what you're telling me is batman is okay with killing xenos...

>>52803594
that is correct

>>52803581
>ships travel at faster than light speed through warp space using psychic energy beamed through the galaxy from an old bloke's bedroom
>'That's not how it works'

>>52803594
I think he killed invading aliens before, so... yeah? I don't hang out on /co/, so don't quote me on that.

>>52803613
That's not's how it works anything

what are some novels involving the Deathwatch as main characters?, I'm trying to find some but all I find is a trilogy by Goto and fuck that

>>52803487
Christ, I was just building my first Shitecast model in years and it was bar none the worst experience I've had building any GW model. And it was a single character.

>>52803666
The bloody thing had bubbles inside the parts. Cleaning mold lines made the pieces pop. It is fucking shit, resin is shit.

Is there a company that makes proper resin model beside Brother Vinnil?

>>52803659
Deathwatch (2016)

Xenos Hunters Anthology

>>52803682
Thank god mine had none of that, instead it had hundreds of tiny bubbles at the base of the figure. What made it so excruciating though was the ridiculous amount of flash and excess resin fucking everywhere. Including on fucking robes.

And to think that the next (and hopefully final) Shitecast figure I get is going to be a fucking jetbike... I don't even want to imagine having to cut away all that excess resin again.

>>52803682
>>52803751
Are there even any technical reasons the can't just use plastic with the resin moulds?

>>52803797
Honestly no idea, but beside that small Russian company, every single company I have bought resin from has trouble with it.

Hence why the meme of china recast is sadly true, the material is shit but he model quality for how much they cost is impressive.

>>52803542
You can't use Straken, let alone fit him in 200pts. Stop giving advice you know nothing about

>>52803866
Its common in /tg/
>Get rid of 3 Acolyte psykers
>Grab Psykana Division with ML2 primaris
>Yes nevermind the the Psykana more than triples the point cost those 3 squad.

>>52803797
>Are there even any technical reasons the can't just use plastic with the resin moulds?

Yeah. Plastic models need specific, specially made moulds. You can't just pour plastic into one designed for metal or resin.

Would-be inquisition player here. How do people usually kit out their henchman squads? Is there a standardized way? I'm playing alongside some new players, who are doing Skitarii, DE, Space Wolves and Crimson Fists, so I want something that can compete without overpowering them.

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Got a few points to spare, opinions ? Forgot to include the Watch Company the four kill teams and Artemis belong to in the list.

The Inquisitor, his goons and the Astropath plink away at enemies front the backfield as one unit and contribute some guidance and some counter-psykery.

Same with the two units of sniper-Vets. All three units also work as beacon along with three servo skulls out in the field.

The four Kill Teams deep strike and blast everything in range.

Atermis, Watch Master and the Terminators come in the drop ship and kill shit in assault.

>>52803829
Dunno, I bought some stuff from Anvil recently to kitbash me some Space Marine, and the parts seem fine. Just a little stem on the heads and leatherstraps, and the occasional mouldline on the torsos/cloaks. By the looks of it, the my Khorne Juggernaut alone has more excess resin than kitbash parts for 40 marines.

>>52803929
No there isn't.
Also what version are you using?

Most people just grab 3 dirty cheap Acolytes and then use the Chimera with double HB with psybolt for more dakka.

Even with BS3 2x S6 AP4 Heavy3 is good enough

>>52803976
Working from Imperial Agents, because I want to use a book I can show to people. I'm going to be allying them into Sisters of Battle, because of that.

I was thinking grab 3 snapfit marines I've got laying around and fielding them as power armour + bolter acolytes.

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>>52803924
Why though?

>>52801452

Yes

>>52803924
I think he means "why they didn't just make them out of plastic rather than resin".

>>52803989
You don't own a smartphone or a tablet?

>>52804031
I do, but with new players it's better to have hardbound.

Specifically, also, I've got a Daemonhost model I'd like to use, if there's anything that supplements it well.

>>52803989
Power armour Acolytes are waste of points.

They are gimmicky at best.

Also >>52804031.

Those 10 point psykers inside a Chimera with a couple of bolter wielding Acolytes is good enough. Shouting from the Chimera por 10 points is good enough.

>>52802691

Eldar

>>52804046
Demonhost are utter shit, I've even made entire list around them and haven't make them work.

They can be funny If you drop them from a Valkyrie, a couple of plasma Acolytes a random Psyker for Prescience or shriek. But even then it is questionable at best

>>52804061
3 Mystics, 1 Astropath, and an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor with the Big Book of Heresy, ML1, a force stave and a bolt pistol seems like it'd do well, then?

Allying it into a Canoness, 2 5-woman sister squads in immolators with heavy flamer and meltagun, and a pentient engine.

I also have the Confessor Kyrinov model, which will be acting as my Inquisitor, hence force staff. He'll be using Telepathy for Shriek.

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>>52801553
You da best anon!

>>52804117
>>52804117
Unless playing low points, never mix flames and melta. NEVER

If you want melta go full with Dominion squads, if you want flamer just get battle Sisters squads. Get or make Repressors if you can.

Why the fuck so you need 3 mystic? Are you havening 3 squads spread out on the board with one in each so you can have a better deepstrike with what?

Also PE do not work in numbers less than 6, I've try many times, 6 is the minimum at any points.

>>52803304
Color of the resin is the only thing that comes to mind

>>52803334
I miss the Doom of Malan'tai...

>>52801289
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xvgryrNiMFoLYiaX8o6Y-Q0q1GLRvwWnvbrSL7omZXo/edit?usp=sharing

This link seems to be broken.

Any chance someone could link to the Shadow War rulebook?

>>52804241

literally in the same fucking thread

>>52801553

>>52803999
Considering it's injection molding, the materiality is the deciding factor. Working temperatures and injection pressures would dictate the quality required of the mold (or lack thereof). That says nothing of thermal expansion capacity, too.

Had I to guess, resin could be a less viscous material at lower temperatures.

>>52803444
The brittle part is actually a meme. All recasted models aren't nearly as brittle as /tg/ would lead you to believe, though it might be because of a broad generalization based on the CCN casts

>>52803560
Soooooo... Chitinous Armour?

>>52804279
The saddest part is that recaster have better shipping than GW.

GW and FW can't into proper shipping.

>>52804200
We're going to be moving up from kill teams to 500 point games soon.

Against new players, I thought the mix would be appropriate.

I don't want to just drop six walkers on the board and scare them away from the game before they really understand it...

>>52804462
PE are shit you know? If Ork walkers didn't exist they would be the worst walkers in the game.

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>>52803683

Why can only Assault Marines take Eviscerators? I want to give my Company Master one, but I realized he can't take it.

Also, are there any two handed powersword models? Might as well give him a Relic Blade instead.

>>52804503
Considering that the only vehicles among them are a venerable dreadnought for the Fists player and a Raider for the DE, I thought it'd be a good way to ease them into the concept of walkers...

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>>52804503
>One of the most 40k models ever is also super shit

It still hurts

>>52804523
Exorcist exist the second most 40k model. It is mediocre thou.

Making it excellent by comparison in the SoB codex.

>>52804511
A chain fist as the exact same stats, just make a termie captain and give his a giant two handed chain sword as a chain fist.

Holy Shit.

Has anyone realized that if you take Guilliman as a Lord of War in a Knight Household detachment (allowable cause he can be a LoW in any imperial detachment regardless of faction) and make him your warlord, he becomes a superheavy walker?

>>52804616
>Has anyone realized that if you take Guilliman as a Lord of War in a Knight Household detachment (allowable cause he can be a LoW in any imperial detachment regardless of faction) and make him your warlord, he becomes a superheavy walker?
That is some of the jankiest shit I've ever seen. I love it.

>>52804627
He then moves 12", gets stomps, rerolls hits in challenges, +1ws/bs, can take the knight relics (rampage, ion shield),
and becomes totally immune to damage, because he has no AV to roll armor pen against.
Even D weapons wont hurt him cause the vehicle table removes hull points.

Obviously so NOT rai, but amusing to contemplate, nonetheless

>>52804616
Id like to see the rules of the Knights.

It reminds me that 4 Inquisitors with rad grenades charging one at the time deletes T4 models from the table.

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>>52804616
that's not how it works

>>52804646
Wouldn't he also instantly explode from having 0 hullpoints?

>>52804616

...wait...how does that work?

>>52804653
Why not?

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>>52804648
>>52804653

>>52804663
But it has W and HP, but his HP are 0.

So the fuck?

>>52804669
Knight Household Detachment, if this is your Primary Detachment, your Warlord becomes unit type Superheavy Walker (Character), with the obvious intention of using it to turn one of your Knights into a Character that can take weapons off the knight artifact table.

>>52804616
Don't all the Knight detachments (or at least the ones in the book) specify "Imperial Knights of any type"? He's not one, so he can't go in a Knight detachment, it's not just a Lord of War slot. I can't take Cawl in an Enginseer Congregation just because they're both HQs.

Also he has no HP, and by the vehicle rules that means BOOM.

>>52804688
he can't die cause he can never be reduced to 0 hull points cause he has no hull point characteristic. (just like vehicles dont auto die for having no toughness characterisitc)
anything that hurts vehicles specifically removes hull points or rolls against AV, of which he has neither.

The only thing that could kill a Guilliman-made-superheavy is a D hit, which causes an automatic penetrating hit, and you would have to roll Explodes!

Which Guilliman would then explode with the 10" template, and possibly revive the next turn.

>>52804709
No. It specifies Lords of War with the Imperial Knights faction.

>>52804687

>>52804690

...that is glorious.

I would totally play against that (Minus the hull points issue) if someone brought in a WYSIWYG Guilliman for it.

What's the list of Heirlooms of the Knightly Houses? One of them might get St Celestine a better melee weapon.

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C-can I play?
So.what if my army has been all painted pony colors?
So what if I have replaced weapons and accessories with accessories from mlp toys?
Wh-why do you hate me, /tg/?
I thought we were friends...

>>52804709
Well the new Imperial special snowflakes can be use as HQ slots for any imperial army

So in theory you can have Saint Celestine be a super heavy... Holy fuck Saint Celestine can be T H I C C ruleswise too!

>>52803429
you cant make good barbecued goose without having to remove some shot from it

>>52804709
see >>52804687

The only restriction is on faction, which Guilliman's rules let him ignore.

>>52804709
>>52804713
On the contrary. In order to penetrate armour, your result has to be higher than its armour value. He doesn't have an armour value, and as of the BRB, any stat not listed is counted as zero. Grots in melee are all penetrating Robo Gulliman.

>>52804732
No, because Imperial Knights require Lords of War.

>>52804732
There are no HQ slots in the Knight Household Detachment, though. Only LOW slots.

>>52804730
>C-can I play?
Yes
>The rest of your post
No.
40k is already autistic enough, we don't need to operate on multiple levels of assbugers.

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>>52804730
Because you've brought a Brettonia army to 40k, you nerd.

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>>52804730
Well, you fucked /pol/ and then had his child. We're gonna need some time to consider whether or not that is heresy.

>>52804744
>and as of the BRB, any stat not listed is counted as zero.
are we sure this is true?

>>52804722
Well, one of them is a Reaper Chainsword that rerolls 1s to hit, IIRC. S:D Celestine, for about 225 points.

>>52804747
My bad confused Lord of War with Warlord.

War, war war lord while using your Wolf wolf wolf lord get confusing fast

>>52804730
Go back to your containment board.

>>52804764
Yes.

I wish Eviscerators were worth taking, all I hear about them in DA assault squads is to not touch them, especially not on the Sergeant.

>>52804732

You can run a formation of St Celestine, Guileman and...I dunno, someone else.

>>52804747

Good news: St Celestine is a Lord of War and so is Guileman

>>52804767

I like it. Now to see someone model it.

>>52804788
>St Celestine is a Lord of War
She's an HQ choice, in both of her incarnations.

>>52804777
can you show me? I just looked at my rulebook and found no such rule.
Otherwise vehicles would automatically die as they have 0 toughness.

>>52804788
You are confusing Warlord with Lord of War.

Girlyman is a Lord of War and can be your Warlord

Celestine is an HQ and be your Warlord or WarMistress if you like.

>>52804835
>Celestine is an HQ and be your Warlord or WarMistress if you like.
shouldn't she be the warlady?

>>52804713
If at any point a vehicle is reduced to 0 hullpoints it's removed.

Gulliman is instantly dead.

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Ok boys I've signed up for a tournament in my local GW store next week (1000p., random paired) and since I don't have a fucking Imperial Knight I've decided to roll with psykerfuckery, since I know everyone else and their mother will have at least a superheavy, also someone plays eldar psyker army, so I added Greyfax because fuck that noise.

-998p.-

>Libarius Dark Angel Council.
Ezekiel - lvl 3 Telepathy
Librarian - lvl 2 Fulmination
Librarian - lvl 1 interromancy, bike and Shroud of heroes (FNP + Shrouded). Meant to go alone, jinx, turbo and shoot mind worms at big threats.


>CAD
Inquisitor Greyfax
Command Squad - Drop pod, 1 storm shield, apothecary, company champion, 3 grav guns
Tactical squad, 10 men, missile launcher and flamer, drop pod.
Tactical squad, 7 men, missile launcher.

Any advice? I know that I am fucked but is there any way to harm superheavies like IKnights or WKnights with psykers?

I plan to put greyfax, ezekiel and his libby friend in a drop pod with the command squad and drop them turn one.

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>>52804616
>>52804687
Can wait to hear people bitching over this

>>52804849
>inquisitor as HQ
>in a dark angels CAD
That's not how it works.

>>52804848
key words being "reduced to".
He doesn't have a hull point value to start with, so it starts at undefined, and you can't apply math to undefined.
And unless >>52804744 can prove it, he doesn't count as having 0 for not having a stat.

I mean yeah, guilliman can't function in the game as a superheavy cause he doesn't have a vehicle stat line. But its amusing to see how horribly things go when we take this literally

>>52804873
It is with Greyfax.

>>52804848
Didn't rule book said that a vehicle has 3 HP by default if it is not stated otherwise or I'm confusing it with 6th?

>>52804841
Mine is more kinky.

>>52804744
>>52804764
>>52804875
Unfortunately heading to work. Will post proof this time tomorrow, or an apology for misleading.

Have a good day, lads.

>>52804883
As far as I'm aware, nothing like that was ever explicitly stated.
All vehicles got an update in the 6th edition rulebook, and most happened to have 3hp, but there was no rule stating such.

>>52804757
Thats pretty cool ^:)

>>52804760
Well, /pol/ thought I was degenerate, until I.showed him how good horse.genitals can.be... I an persuade you. Too.

>>52804775
N-no

>>52804876
He means it's not fluffy.

>>52804875
He's reduced to 0 hullpoints when he becomes a vehicle and is subsequently required to have them.

It's stated in the rulebook that any unstated stats are assumed to be 0.

>>52803211
No, Power of the Machine Spirit doesn't override snap shots.

>>52804646
>becomes totally immune to damage, because he has no AV to roll armor pen against

He also automatically gets wrecked at the start of the game as he has no Hull Points

>>52804901
>It's stated in the rulebook that any unstated stats are assumed to be 0.
Can we please get evidence of this? I checked the rulebook's section on statistics and did not find it.

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>>52804730
>So what if I have replaced weapons and accessories with accessories from mlp toys?
makes it hard to know what is actually on the field at a glance.
also i have no idea why people actually paint things like that, it almost always looks bad because your army doesn't have cohesive colours and you likely don't have the skill to pull it off.

>>52803542
>Give it heavy bolter turret and hull

Lel, S6 AP- is gorillion times better than S5 AP4

Go back to 1d4chen you autistic squig

>>52804972
Unless you give it psybolt. S6 AP4 Heavy 3 becomes better then. For 5 points it is rather worth it

>>52804995
>Give it psybolt
>IG Kill team
HURR DURR IM A RETARD U GUIS.

>>52805055
Was I talking about that specific situation? No
Was I making an example of a situation that a heavy bolter option would make sense? Yes

Now you fuck off

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>>52804616
>>52804627
>>52804646
>>52804653
>>52804663
>>52804669
>>52804670
>>52804687
>>52804688
>>52804690
>>52804709
>>52804713
>>52804722
>>52804732
>>52804744
>>52804848
>>52804850
>>52804875

>>52804995
Then it is not S5 AP4 anymore you goddamn dink. Besides that guy was talking about IG chimera, not Inq.

>>52805097
See on the right 'Regardless of their faction'

That gets around the typical faction restrictions that all detatchments like that one have

>>52805097
Anon you didn't read the text on the right?

We are not questioning Faction because Girlyman can be any imperial faction.

Guys. Look for a FAQ. If there isn't any, ask the fucking question to GW. Because that would be awesome. And broken because of the HP issue.

>>52805154
I think the best answer you would get would be that he'd simply skip that bit about being a superheavy walker and just function with his normal statline.

It'd be neat if he could still take the Knight relics though

>>52805177
some drawfag needs to do Girlyman running around with a knight sized sword

>>52805177
Dont unique characters have the clause, where it says you cant buy any additional equipment for them.

>>52805195
No, riding one like a skateboard.

>>52805195
Agreed

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>>52805209
>>52805195
>who run imperium?
>master ultramarine run imperium!

>>52803924
>>52804021
The cost of making the moulds required to use plastic injection molding would be my guess. I've heard that the moulds cost like $100,000 per piece and so if they're going to make one it has to be for something that has a very high demand and can be used for a long period of time.

Conjecture mostly, but I've seen that figure floated around.

>>52805207
40k has more rules and exceptions than the USA legal system.

>>52805266
Doesn't explain why they couldn't back then and can now, with Ahriman and Kharn for example being special characters made out of plastic rather than resin. Also, the Sternguard and Vanguard boxes used to be resin but they're now plastic too.

>>52805313
GW is the Nintendo of miniature companies, they seem to want money, by they are utterly confuse with modern times and what their consumers wants.

>>52805331
I disagree
I mean Nintendo will, innovate along with milking old properties for all they are worth.
and they know their home market and i think that was the point of the switch.
GW is basically milk all the old nostalgia part without understanding what made it popualr like them but doesn't even bother innovating

>>52805094
Are you targeting me and not
>>52805105
Solely because I'm black? That's incredibly fucked up and you should be ashamed.

>>52805372
I was comparing the retarded business practices. Their figure amigo thingy align with the nes classic that now is going out of production.

>>52805207
Nope. its just that names characters typically dont have options.

See ahriman and belial for exceptions.

>>52802383
chainfists look badass, meltabombs because I had 5 points to spare

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Anyone has the pdf rules for shadow war?

>>52805794
go to >>52801553

>>52805794
fuck you, read the thread you faggot, or spend a whopping $35 on the book. I hate poor people who want to be spoofed everything.

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So if you did the Knight thing to Celestine, what would happen to the Geminae? They're not "The Warlord" so do they still follow SC around, meaning you need to do every shot one at a time so you don't try to Wound an Armour Value? They wouldn't do their auto-LoS thing, since no Wounds occur.

>>52805963
Lets just drop this now shall we

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>>52805896

>>52805963
Celestine isnt even a Lord of War