/STG/ - Star Trek General

>>52759970
Were the Jem Hadar ever established to be an uplifted society, like the Vorta? Or were they tailor-made by the Founders?

I know they're clones and we never see anything denoting any sort of Jem Hadar sexes, but it stands to reason that they must have, at some point, been capable of natural reproduction.

>>52760298
The implication is that they're so heavily genetically altered they might have been Pakleds or Tellarites for all it shows in their current appearance. It doesn't matter a whole lot.

>>52760298
The closest thing to what could have been the Jem Hadar was Tosk, from season 1.

He could turn invisible, too, remember.

>>52760349
I kind of wish we had seen more Dominion races. After all, one would assume that a massive empire with a huge fleet would require numerous support roles. Neither the Vorta nor the Jem'Hadar seem well suited to ship construction, for instance.

>>52760298
Closest to a canon explanation was Robert Wolfe's initial ideas about what they and the Dominion as a whole would be like.

>"I think we all agreed that the Jem'Hadar were originally like the Mongols," he remembered. "They were some incredibly nasty, conquering subculture on a world of their own, but without all the genetic engineering; they didn't grow up in three days and all that stuff. The Founders got a hold of them and said, 'We'll make you the ultimate killing machines, what do you think?' And they said 'YEAH!' They just volunteered."

Soft canon goes with this, but it's not elaborated or expanded on at all.

>>52760420
We've met the race who builds their torpedoes. They got along surprisingly well with Quark, which you wouldn't really expect for someone in a Dominion client race position, so there's clearly a lot of diversity, the only bottom line rule being "you serve the wishes of the Founders and belong to the Dominion now and forever".

Presumably, that sort of skillset was developed by various other races working together, then it was brought with them into the Alpha Quadrant while they were building up for their crusade, which is how they built more ships after the wormhole was closed.

>>52760420
They outsourced a lot of manufacturing and general supply production to other species.

The angry red-faced dudes and the handle-nosed race both produced weapons and materials for Dominion use. Perhaps they defer ship construction to some other race deeper in Dominion space.

>>52760394
I think that's just coincidence.

Though I suppose it wouldn't be beyond belief that Tosk and his race were Dominion path-finders that just happened to stumble across the wormhole.

>>52760919
The Tosk and their hunters could serve that purpose. It'd make for a good evaluation of species, namely how they handle the Tosk and their role in the hunt, to provide a glimpse into their mentality and the ease with which the Dominion might be able to subvert or conquer them.

>>52760743
Weren't both races big wine buyers from Quark too? That suggests they're more reasonable than the Founders.
>have similar taste sense and body/brain chemistry
>enjoy wine for its own sake, so no artificially dulled senses like the Vorta
>trade often prevents war
Really it was only the Gamma Quadrant Tang Pool and their two slave races that had a problem with Starfleet.

>>52763132
Fucking everybody is more reasonable than the Founders.

The Borg are more reasonable than the Founders.

>>52763132
Imagine waking up every morning knowing that, ultimately, you are an orange puddle. You can assume a huge variety of shapes, and share consciousness with all the other members of your race, whom you love and cherish deeply. But you are still a puddle.

In the words of Shake, "If I woke up looking like that, I would walk over to the nearest living thing and kill it."

>>52763745
There's that race that commits suicide when they reach their 60s.

>>52765648
Thanks dude. Have you any of those nice sun-shots?

>>52766785
Will have in a bit. That ones just a decent screenshot of an intrepid I found online.

Ain't had the opportunity to get online yet. Hopefully should be able to this evening.

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>>52763745
The Terran Empire (heck, the Alliance isn't any better) makes the Dominion look like a group of eminent gentlemen.

>>52767413
The Terran Empire is basically every "Starfleet should be the US army rangers" nutbag's power fantasy played out to its logical conclusion. A literal interpretation of an ideology that, in the real world, is much less extreme because it turns out that copypasta from /pol/ doesn't actually make for good international policy.

Humanity Fuck Yeah!: the State leads to an era of perpetual war with everybody that isn't us until we over-extend and the dream comes crashing down. We become the We-Wuz-Kangs culture of the quadrant while more nuanced societies and cultures manage to avoid self-destruction solely because they're willing to compromise. For Q's sake, the damned Bajorans end up better off than us, and we had the benefit of future-tech provided to us by lax Tholians border security. All they had was the sexual ambiguity of mirror Kira and no interactions with the prophets.

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http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10467713-interview-with-cosplay-melee%27s-becka-noel

Prepare for fatal amounts of cringe and mary sue.

>AMBASSADOR KAEL: I’m excited to hear you say Iconians, because I was watching the reactions this morning on Twitter and Reddit and all of our fans were like, “I think she’s dressed as an Iconian. I’m pretty sure that’s an Iconian.” I know you designed an original character for the show. Tell us a little bit about One. Who is she?

>BECKA NOEL: One is heavily inspired by the Iconians, and also a little bit of the Borg, She is a character that – she’s the oldest being in the universe. And she’s the only one of her kind that anybody knows of. And she’s tasked kind of with being a caretaker of life. And she’s also the destroyer of life. So she goes around the universe, kind of a little bit like a Q. But she’s not as much of a jerk, as the Qs are. So she’ll go around and see a world, and look at the inhabitants there, and if they’er causing any destruction, she’ll sort of set them straight. And she uses the weapon, on her back, which I call the Genesis – the orb inside is called the Genesis – and that funnels all of the energy and the knowledge in the universe, and it directly funnels it into her body.

>AMBASSADOR KAEL: Ok.

>>52768251
I don't envy that man his job. His interviewee is one of the more extroverted members of STO community and she still comes across like a loon.

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>>52768251
Is all of her cosplay that "unique"?
on a side note could the local draw fag make a trek version of this?

>>52768976
I have no idea, i just picked this from 8s /stog/ thread where someone had gone and read through the whole thing.

I pity that poor soul who endured through the whole thing.

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>>52768251
>>52768976
>>52768976
>look in the launcher
>"oh hey, news that isn't Cryptic having another Ferengi LARP session"
>follow link
>expecting QT making odyssey uniform look as sexual as possible
>not expecting a fucking Borg Iconian Founder Gary Mitchell Caeliar Q Donut Steel
>keep reading to the end even though Kael sounds like he's in physical pain
>I'm also in physical pain
>mfw

>>52768429
It helps that he's getting paid to do it.

>>52769751
Id demand hazard pay for that session.

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>>52768251
The worst part is that all of her other stuff is fairly normal. Something just... broke inside her and ended up producing something ungodly.

>>52773008
Maybe it's the community around her that finally got to her.
You know what they say about gazing into the abyss.

>>52773008
>>52773081
STO: not even once

>>52768251
>AMBASSADOR KAEL: Ok.
That made me chuckle.

>>52771641
>>52771762
>>52772201
Thanks dude, these look great.

>>52767413
>>52768046
Are the Romulans ever referenced in any of the mirror universe stuff?

>>52774961
Prime Sisko posing as Mirror Sisko says that he's going to ask them for aid as a cover for returning to his universe, I think that was the only time.

>>52774961
They either never invented a cloaking device or never shared the technology with the Klingons.

Worst species?

>>52776507
To live with? Bolians, I would guess.

>>52776861
This

>eat fermented carrion
>shit so vile that sharing bathrooms with them is an actual health risk
>universally chatter boxes that can't shut up
>highly opinionated

Their society might be tolerant or otherwise praiseworthy, we really don't know, but besides sharing a room with a Tholian or a Breen I can't think of a worse bunkmate than a Bolian.

>>52777272
>eat fermented carrion

Meh, so do Inuit.

>>52777272
>tfw your bolian roommate dutch ovens you and you wake up in sickbay after having your lungs surgically replaced.

>>52777368
>A Bolian Ambassador to Earth gets food poisoning from an Indian-Klingon fusion restaurant
>Paris has to be evacuated

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>>52777572
>targ blood curry

>>52777572
>Miranda class
>Bolian Engineer replicates himself a pint of stout and a Kebab for dinner
>All Hands Lost

>>52778052
>Praxis
>Bolian mining slave has a gagh fart in the dilithium mines
>Star Trek VI

>>52776507
Nausicans maybe? They seem like unbearable shits.

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>>52776861
Nah man, just Nah.

Gotta be Tallaxians, Naussicans or Tellarites.
Tallaxians are just monumental fuckups, it's not just Nelix.
Naussicans are space retards with a very violent streak. We saw them playing darts by throwing darts into each other ffs.
Tellarites argue fucking constantly, sure your debate skills would get on point quick but that kinda thing is just super draining.

Vulcans are a close 4th.

>>52778709
Hey, they knew not to trust the Vaadwaur, but Admiral (You) still let themself get played like a damn fiddle.

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>>52779771
lulwut?

>>52779891
The talaxians, even.

>>52779771
Admiral (me) went out of his way to help the Vaaduar take out the Talaxians

So, did anyone else in here mourn the STO Gateway's passing? It had pretty good visuals, and it would've been a nice way to sort out your Doffs, Admiralty, maybe even the Exchange without launching the game proper.

>>52778216
That doesn't contradict alpha canon! Someone get CBS on the line.

>>52781355
wait wait wait

...when were the Bolians first contacted?

>>52781490
The Ferengi had contacted them by ENT, so it's reasonable to assume the Klingons had too.

>>52781521
Fair enough.

>>52779941
A bit, it was neat, but they nerfed the shit out of the plans for it after Neverwinter's version was exploited so badly with bots they needed to kill it.

As for worse race? Pakleds. Not only do they keep taking your shit and not giving you some goddamn personal space, they'd just slack off and expect you to do it. And you know they smell like a mix of Diesel and Patchouli oil

>>52777368
>>52777572
>Annually, off world visitors must evacuate Bolarus, during the Hot'n'Spicy summer food festival

Heh, just discovered that; it's old as fuck, but this piece of garbage is still funny as hell:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Essays/Trek-Marxism.html
The part with the cars is especially embarrasing.

>>52768046
Even /pol/ is more reasonable than the Terran Empire.
Every nutbags power fantasy is better.
Advancing positions by killing your superior (and without any form of ritualism that streamlines the whole process) is pretty much the worst way to do things.
That thing should have been dead within a year.

>>52784228
Well that's... certainly a read.

>>52777304
That's not a selling point for their culture.

>>52784228
>Little red shuttles

Too many keks

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>>52784228
Fuck me that's terribly written, worthy of Lindybeige in ignoring and discarding evidence that goes against the core supposition to which the argument is then built around.

>>52784069
>The Bolians have successfully weaponised scat porn

>>52790050
>Bolians go to a Earth zoo and see monkeys flinging shit at each other
>They are amazed by the local animal species capability of engaging in and surviving biological warfare

>>52778536
You jus rasis! Nausicans dindu muffin! It all UFPs falt!

>>52789282
>nobody in the Federation is greedy or desirous of wealth
>who's Vash?

>>52789282
>stardestroyer.net

>>52791282

She obviously is a descendant Harry Mudd.

>>52791391
I assume that's an explanation, I don't think I've ever been there before.

>>52791530
The site exists for two reasons.

One, to wank on Star Wars "science", because people like wanking on things they love, even if it doesn't make sense.

Two, to wank on how much Star Wars kicks Star Trek's ass, as both a franchise and on a "technical" level.

It's an old site, relatively speaking, and it's been filled with content by people fixated on how much they love SW and hate ST for fucking DECADES.

>>52791530
Not that anon, but as you can probably tell by the name, they're a Star *Wars* fansite with little reason to cut Star Trek a fair shake in anything.

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>>52791640
Jebus that's pathetic.

>>52791706
...is that the Enterprise-D emerging from a B5 jumpgate?

>>52791706
It's the site where huge amounts of the "numbers" on how SW makes ST look pathetic, the terabyte laser cannons on star destroyers, etc, etc, that you see in various online arguments comes from.

>>52791722
Yes.

>>52791735
Man I just always found it best to steer clear of those arguments.

>>52791952
As do most not-dumb people.

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>>52791391
Those forums are pretty much a circlejerk between the same twenty people for the last decade.

I mean, the power difference between Wars and Trek isn't that surprising, Starfleet has only been around for a few centuries and is constantly improving whereas the SW universe has had fairly static tech at a much higher level for thousands of years. It's just that the argument they give is wrapped in such a level of snide condescending tone I'm not surprised most people don't like it.

Goes for the whole site really.

>>52791987
Comparing settings can be interesting when you approach it from a purely objective "how can we make this work as a combined setting" sort of way. But when you're only doing it to support how your setting is the best then you're not being objective and generally deflecting from the issues of (your) setting.

>>52791952
/tg/ has that perennial meme thread about Trek vs Wars vs 40k. It's entertaining at time but the asspain displayed by all sides is enough to show why those sorts of thing are a bad idea.

>>52791987
My favorite part is that like 90 fucking percent of his arguments can be easily shot down with "nigger, it's a primetime TV show that started in the fucking 80s and had only so much fucking budget".

>>52792336
>started in the fucking 80s
>what is the Original Series in 1966
Do you even Star Trek, anon?

>>52792434
Not him, but the article is expressly attacking TNG onwards.

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What does the inside of a Borg vessel smell like? I don't think they use sonic showers.

>>52792511
Yeah, this. It's also why I mentioned Vash but not Harry Mudd upthread.

>>52792764
A combination of the smell of surgical disinfectant and engine oil.

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>>52793518

>>52792764
Bolians.
The smell gets fucking EVERYWHERE.

>>52793814
Borg a cute

>>52792325
Honestly, trek doesn't really come into it - most of the arguments just end up with autistic screeching over the Force vs the Warp

>>52793980
I bet you AdMech would fucking love a Borg lover.

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>>52794156
Actually Trek wins - not due to technology, but rather because of culture and psychology.

>>52794386
Holy shit, that was actually rather enjoyable to read.

>>52794693
Yeah, it actually was.

>>52769099
What was that about ryptic LARPing Ferengi?
They got a key sale going now.

>>52799040
Yes, and such a deal it is, goyim! Better go buy many, MANY keys, hyew-mon!

>>52799117
I think at this point, it's just a Ferengi meme to mispronounce "human." Their translators give them no trouble with any other fucking words.

>>52799878
if I would I thinks it is some sort of stealth insult whenever they meet human Starfleet people, as the humans just think it's just Ferengi being well Ferengi and Ferengis can go "hah insulted them again and they didn't even notice it"

>>52794386
Thanks for posting this.

>>52799878
They're totally doing it on purpose, yes.

>>52784228
Wow. Commander Data may be an android, but this fellow is a certified Randroid.

>>52799878
>>52800005
how many thinly veiled jew jokes do you think they'd get in return?

>>52794156
The only worse arguments are 40k vs Marvel

Is there any good Trek-esque sci-fi out there right now?

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>>52784228
>>52800853
Ah, the good ol' "Trek is commies" argument (which idea Gene would have approved of, I'm sure). Of course, it's easy to come to this conclusion if you also think fascism and Nazis are actually right-wing (in the American sense which is the only sense that matters). The author makes a lot of assumptions that just aren't viable, especially about civilian life. I would say that Earth (not the Federation) is somewhere between the modern EU and Franco's Spain, in terms of government's control of business and personal life. We can hardly make any assumptions about that, even for Earth, because:
1. we've seen about four non-military/government places on Earth (and two of those were made for business!)
2. the whole point of the various series is following characters that have married their government/military jobs, so everything is going to be viewed from that perspective
3.it's a TV show, with a TV show budget and story-writing; only ENT would have had the budget and tech resources to show Earth's sky filled with ships, but it wouldn't have made much sense considering the setting.
And when you get down to it, it must be realized that Earth is the capital of the Federation. Capitals tend to make quite a bit of their business about the workings of government, especially if the government capital is different from the cultural capital of the state, like the US or Brazil. And, the bigger the government, the more business is going to be dedicated to serving that government, everything from corporate offices for major contractors down to restaurants that cater to workers and their families, or tourists and visitors. And a government that involves hundreds of planets, with additional colonies, and then the diplomatic crap with hundreds or thousands of other government entities, is going to be a big government indeed.
Pic unrelated.

>>52801707
Six million.

>>52804193
That'd be the Bajorans

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>>52802365
Been done.

>>52805294
I feel like I should be surprised that this abomination exists. Instead I just feel a mild sadness.

>Taris did nothing wrong.
Discuss.

>>52805294
There is always the vague implication that Bones is a distant relative of Beast if not an actual direct descendant.

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>>52807509
Forgot pic.

>>52805294
>>52807521
>x-men more or less lines up with the Augment Wars

>>52807597
What does that make Khan? Either version, or even Renegades' waifubait.

>>52809037
Probably a shitty background character. In the scheme of things, super strength and intelligence are fairly baseline for any of marvel's properties.

>>52807385
Most of her failings were a direct result of her poor understanding of the Romulan political scene. She allowed subordinates to undermine her power and, by focusing on he Iconian project, allowed Sela to rise to power with the backing of the Tal Shiar.

>>52809037
>waifubait
There are no words to describe just how fucking untermenschen you are, you fucking faggot.

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EZRI A CUTE

>>52810251
id put my worm inside her if you know what i mean

>>52810251
She aged like milk though, while Jadzia and Kira are still stone cold foxes.

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>>52810325
This is her 2 years ago, dude.

>>52810123
Her intentions were well placed, at least.

Which of STO's 26th century ships do you like best?

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>>52813555
Romulan, and it's not even close.

>>52813614
If not for those engine trails, I wouldn't be able to tell its front from its back.

>>52813637
With Romulan ships it's easy: the way the wings sweep forward to make a concave area is always the front.

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>>52813637
It's a flying space bird, what's the confusion? They're literally called warbirds.

>>52760553
I could have sworn that I read somewhere that the original conception of the Jem'Hadar was a kind of space Janissaries, they weren't one particular species, they were just elite troops that the Dominion recruited from all over the place, kept in line with drugs and brainwashing. IIRC, they dropped the idea because keeping a bunch of different costumes for different Jem'hadar races under that plan was too expensive and it was easier to just mass produce one costume.

>>52813692
Not him, but I could also easily see the tail of it actually being the front.

>>52813637
>>52813792
I'm with these anons, though I do think it looks slightly better the proper way.

Tweak the curve on the back of the wings a little and flip it around and that thing would look pretty bitching.

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>>52813637
Need to get a better angle on it, really.

>>52803496
One thing that amuses me about it on a re-read, actually. He mentions that you never really see any hint of corporations or large business ventures in the Federation (even I'm not counting the NohJay Consortium, lol). He also mentions the Ferengi several times as examples of more free-market stuff.

But I just realized. When do we ever see FERENGI corporations? There's a regulatory body, the FCA, but I can't think of any Ferengi business enterprise off the top of my head that wasn't a relatively small, private venture of some sort or another.

>>52815290
There's the Slug-O Cola guy, and he's influential enough that he can convince enough of Ferenginar to side with the Nagus and let women wear clothes. I figure Ferengi are more like the ultimate entrepreneurs: American-style corporatism doesn't leave a lot of room for individual profit and exploitation of underlings. Then again, the few ferengi we see are even more out on their frontier than the humans, and are likely exceptional individuals.

>>52815441
>There's the Slug-O Cola guy, and he's influential enough that he can convince enough of Ferenginar to side with the Nagus and let women wear clothes.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that guy.

>>52810533
Damon that's cute.

>>52815290
Ferengi capitalism isn't very corporation-oriented. It's all based on private ownership and the founder (or it's a family business, the inheritor) running the company.

They'd probably consider having to answer to shareholders to be an impediment, because shareholders rarely have the lobes the way a successful businessman might. But they're also happy to buy shares in other business ventures...it's a bit perplexing.

>>52815716
I imagine the Ferengi share market is more like a legal ponzi scheme backing an actual business.

>>52813750
That would have been interesting. A literal anti-Starfleet. Dozens of unique races, the best they have to offer, all working together with the single unifying goal of killing whoever the founders want dead.

>>52813663
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Vastam_Command_Battlecruiser

>>52815290
Because at the end of the day, we got them to fall for the small independent start-up meme. See, the Federation always wins.

>>52815290
The Ferengi have a religious emphasis on personal wealth. I could almost imagine corporations being considered heresy within their society, almost like setting up a separate church.

>>52791987
>powerlevel
Carefull here, Star Trek verse's power level is fairly high, the low budged just makes it look weaker.
Old Enterprise could exterminatus a whole planet, that got mentioned within the show.
Comparing the settings is, however, not easy, because we frankly haven't seen enough of ST military capacities, except space fleets, which tend to be small (because they only control a few dozen to hundreds plantets).
The dumbest thing I've ever read?
Someone saying that SW is stronger because official data concerning power output gives more to Slave One than the Enterprise. Such data is franky worthless, because it's always faulty (with ships that have less density than helium, handweapons with gigaton shots, future tanks with less firepower than the Mark I from WW1 and other dumb shit). And Slave One can't destroy a planet.

>>52815290
Quark mentions a cousin (Gala, I think) who went into arms dealing and now owns a moon. I think he's the wealthiest non-Nagus Ferengi we hear about.

As other anons have said, the Ferengi are too interested in personal profit to do much with corporations as we know them.

>>52820545
If I remember correctly his cousin does show up and offer Quark a arms dealing job, but Quark has like a morality crisis after he has to help sell a chemical weapon what would kill millions.

>>52819729
Personally, my favorite thing in those sorts of discussions is when people start looking at the special effects used for when one ship shoots another and try to figure out blast yields from that. It's always just the director telling some special effects guys "give me some cool explosions for when X shoots Y" and all they care about is 1: does it look good and 2: does it look out of place next to the other explosions we've been using.

Just like in action movies, explosions are always these giant fireballs. They have to use a ton of gasoline getting the fire in there, because explosions without it look less impressive to the average Joe.

>>52820614
I think I remember that episode, now that you mention it. So he's the wealthiest non-Nagis Ferengi we see.

>>52819729
On the subject of worthless figures for things, I've been rewatching Voyager lately I know, I know and they keep talking about how many gigaquads of storage space things take up.

I like how they transitioned away from actual units of measurement so they don't have the chance to fail at giving us retarded figures for things, but they keep talking about how the doctor's program is 50 million gigaquads, their shuttles hold 50 billion gigaquads, etc. I'm not sure if it's because the writers had only heard of gigabytes (and smaller) or if they felt the audience wouldn't be suitably impressed if they didn't toss around ridiculously huge numbers, but it just bothers me that they didn't translate those into 50 petaquads and 50 exaquads.

Then again, the new warp scale bothers me so take that with a grain of salt.

>>52820666
I think Babylon 5 tried to keep things consistent, but then they could with their use of CGI for everything.

I remember reading years back some calculations that were done based off the effects and power output was remarkably consistent, though the actual stated numbers were perhaps a little underpowered given the tech (something to do with the firepower/destruction being consistent with iron rather than something stronger, but honestly if they did do it that way that at least makes sense from ease of production), like maybe that 2 megaton nuke Sheridan used on the Minbari should have been a 20 because of being in space and destroying some aliens with super tech probably needs a lot more than just a 2 megaton boom.

>>52820816
I could see that, though it's been too long since I've watched that to remember specifics.

As I recall the Halo people at least put effort into their stuff, as opposed to "what's a really big number?" like most sci-fi does.

I'm sure there are a few others as well, but aside from cheating like nu-BSG where they just use regular guns 24/7 I can't think of any.

>>52820816
>2 megaton should have been a 20
Honestly, considering the ridiculous powerlevels that usually get thrown around by SFX, only being an order of magnitude out is a miracle.

>>52821002
Halo did it well too, mostly because the whole "recognisable weapons are still competitive with ayylmao space magic, but only just" thing was its strong point as well as being possibly the only HFY i can genuinely call fantastic - at least early on.

Welp, we got info on the next lock box.

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10467863

>>52820816
>like maybe that 2 megaton nuke Sheridan used on the Minbari should have been a 20 because of being in space and destroying some aliens with super tech probably needs a lot more than just a 2 megaton boom.
IIRC he hid the nuke inside a small asteroid to both keep the Trigati from detecting it and to make it into a Giant Spess Frag Grenade. A 2Mt nuke would definitely do the job.

>>52820778
I think it was basically Voyager's production just not caring about keeping shit consistent. TNG I think actually had hard numbers written down for their technobabble inserts. The tech manual at least is consistent with the show, but then Voyager I think then goes and just has a shuttle with more computer memory than the Enterprise D because they just picked numbers out of a hat.

>>52821231
>Husnock warship

Well shit, imma need me one of those

>>52822210
If I stop believing in it, will it go away?

>>52822283
That depends, can you make ships that'll paste a Galaxy class with YOUR MIND?

>>52822210
How long do you reckon it'd take to EC grind for it? 2/3 weeks of item farming?

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>>52823227
Presuming it settles at 300ish million, I'd figure roughly a month, provided you're doing Tour the Galaxy and manage to get some good items to flip on the exchange.

>>52823227
What this guy said >>52823256
Or 60 Keys.

>>52822856
Yes.
Yes I can.

So now what?

>>52823581
Be god, I guess.

>>52824614
But then why would he need a starship?

>>52824651
Boredom/LARPing as a mortal

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Get a load of these fucking mods.

>anon posts a Star Trek thread about the TV show
>it gets axed

>there are currently two live threads about the new DoW video game
>neither have touched

Step up yo game mods.

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>>52825920
Well obviously he should have come here.
Ein /tg/, ein thread, ein OP!

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>>52825970

>>52824651
Given some of the things that God has asked for a star ship really isn't that odd.

>Chariots of Iron

>>52826069
I thought it was chariots of fire?

>>52821130
Halo's regular infantry weapons were fine, because they're just real world weapons with a few techy bits slapped on (like the ammo counter on the assault rifle).

It's the big ship guns that impress me. They came out with some numbers that were, according to people on the internet, way too high. So they retconned them down to a more reasonable range, and that impressed me. At least, if I'm remembering the story correctly.

>>52825920
there was another thread?

>>52826098
I have an NIV bible
Judges 1:19
The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.

>>52826247
Well shit.

Where is the "chariots of fire" bit from?

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>>52826247
>there's a Book of Judges

>>52825970
>ein op

There are, in my estimation, at least 3.

>>52826291
What Elijah got a lift to heaven in when his time in this world was done.

>>52760394
>>52762259
>>52760919
It's less coincidence and more re-use of strong ideas (in this case a good makeup look and skillset) by the same writing team.

Thematically it's not a problem compared to say a Vorta with telekinetic powers or the smiley, lizard-klingon Jem'Hadar of the earlier seasons compared to the more Serious Cardassian version presented later.

DS9 did a lot of rehab on underutilized ideas like the Ferengi, so it's not really surprising they'd revisit Tosk's concept. Imagine what they could have done with six seasons to rehabilitate the Kazon.

>>52821899
The Delta Flyer was heavily Borged up though. It was like the prototype of Admiral (You)'s ship.

>>52826670
Quark would have sold them all into slavery to the Orion Syndicate in about six weeks. They're angry, penniless, and stupid - classic slave race.

http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10467863-the-privateer-lockbox%21
literally unexpected, I had thought it was going to be tzenkethi, then they throw this curve ball

though the other day this week I was thinking about the husnock

>>52827008
>Quark
>successfully completing a business transaction

Try again

>>52827468
The Kazon are THAT dumb.

>>52827515
To be fair, they brought down the last civilisation that enslaved them and stole all of their tech. I'm not sure anybody wants Kazon marauders operating with Orion tech.

>>52826291
There was a (rather good) movie by that name, and I think it's theme song also went by that name.

iirc they got the name from some poem, but I CBA to look up which one.

>>52827468
Remember that time Quark was such a dope weapons dealer that the entire station turned against him?

All indications are that the bar thrived when the station was under Cardassian rule. Quark's mercantile prowess is directly proportional to the evilness of the deal.

>>52827008
Dude, they literally WERE a slave race.

>>52827346
They are going to make EVERY canon ship eventually, as long as they survive. Just like Eaglemoss.

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Section 31 did nothing wrong.

>>52830397
They were pretty dumb to try and make sure Odo died of the disease at all costs.

They also put far too much stock in trying to get Bashir as an agent, when he'd proven his idealism was just as stubborn as someone like Picard.

>>52830618
I prefer to think that was just Sloan doing his own thing.

>>52830397
>fall for the "I'll say I have it so someone will come find it and I can use them to find it" ruse
>get their 3-year 73-man conspiracy btfo by two dudes in a day
>be proven wrong when Odo uses the cure to convince the Dominion to declare peace
Section 31 did nothing right.

>>52830660
> implying Section 31 wasn't entirely "just Sloan doing his own thing"

>>52831674
They appeared in Enterprise too

>>52832656
I figure S31 operates fairly loosely. The dude we see in Enterprise and Sloan might be the effective head of S31 at a given point in time. Everybody else, or nearly everybody else, is a temporary operative like Reed and Bashir. It has no concrete power structure and no centralised organisation.

It's just a few dudes with access to the rescources of Starfleet intelligence working on the tacit agreement that the SFI will support them so long as they're useful but burn them the moment they fuck up or get caught. What they're doing is certifiably treason, but so long as they keep shtum then Starfleet won't pursue them.

>>52786873
Hey man, any progress on the Dauntless? No rush or anything but I'm just hoping you haven't forgotten.

Also, would it be cool if I made some prints of your stuff?

>>52833581
Gonna be a while before I get the dauntless, honestly. Dilithium farming is a slow process.

And yeah, you can print em if you want, I won't stop you.

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>>52805294
Just discovered that this is a thing.

>>52836291
I have never wanted something to exist less

>>52836291
It could be too. But it won't be.

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>>52836291
Shit, they are mixing TOS and earlier doctor in the same comic too!

>>52836291
>the yard is appears in front of the Enterprise
>a dozen Temporal agency vessels from different species and eras appear soon after and destroy it
>one of them hails the Enterprise
>"look... just... we saved you from a whole bunch of bullshit. You're better off this way. Trust us."

>>52838665
Is there no way you phone posters could take that word filter of yours offline?

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>>52838703
Negative sir, the manual bypass is fused with the EPS conduit on the secondary service junction. We can't deactivate it without blowing the whole compartment.

>>52838853
What if you tried infusing a tachyon beam with gold dust?

>>52836291
Those faces look like shit.

I'm going to read it despite it clearly being not good, because I'm curious, but that art style is going to make it suck even more.

>>52838886
We'd have to de-polarise the secondary deflector manifold, to account for graviton flux. It could be done captain. Give me 4 hours.

>>52838940
It's actually even worse in the actual comic.
Looks like it had been touched up by our artist anon here.

No offense intended for artist anon, let's just say your artistic touching up of computer ships looks better than when it is done to things that should be recognized as humans.

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>>52839098
That's fair. I tend to avoid interior shots and characters for just that reason.

>>52827988
Nah, Quark wasn't the one making those deals, he was just getting cut in because he had holosuites to demonstrate the weapons in.

>>52838665
It's cute that you think that anything in Star Trek could possibly put a dent that is the bullshit of Doctor Who's plot armor.

>>52838992
You have 2

>>52836291
>Eleven
Why could they not have been inserted to VOY to keep everything outside the cancer corner clean?

>>52833401
Is it exer actually stated whether they were founded by official channels or have always been a rogue agency?

>>52844116
They claim to be written into the Starfleet charter under Section 31, which could just be a vague statement about security of the fleet against unknown threat, but nobody pays any attention to it. I like the idea that it's the domain of conspiracy theorists in a world where it's known that aliens exist and have their own designs against the earth.

>>52844116
>>52844521
One of the bad decisions made in Into Darkness was to make Section 31 an integrated department of Starfleet, with people in Starfleet uniforms working in a SOOPERSEKRT data archive.

The less of a paper trail they have, the more interesting they can be.

>>52844997
Yeah, it's kind of hard to claim your a clandestine organisation when your names are on a payroll and you're administering Starfleet facilities.

>>52840053

Plot armor is what it is. Assuming it isn't prevalent, any other time traveler (so anyone of 23rd century Starfleet or later) would be able to phaser any given Time Lord into oblivion.

Despite how nebulous and powerful the TARDIS is, there's likely dozens of superweapons in Trek laying around that could destroy it. A clever Starfleet crew with a moderately powerful 24th century ship could probably disable it or at least strand it somehow.

I've watched a LOT of Doctor Who and Trek. Between warp slingshots around stars and antichronitons, someone, somewhere, somewhen could get the job done.

>>52846784
Being disintegrated prevents Regeneration, so yes, anyone with a 24th century weapon can take out a time lord without too much trouble, Plot Armor BS aside.

The ironic thing is that the dumber you are, the more dangerous you are to The Doctor, because you're less likely to listen to him prattling some clever trickery at you and more likely to just stab/crush/shoot him, and Venusian Karate(/Aikido) aside, he isn't that much of a fighter.

>>52846863

Not even a 24th century weapon. 23rd century hand phasers can completely disintegrate someone.

All in all though, it's really unlikely that anyone from Starfleet would give a flying fuck about the Doctor.

>"Oh, you're a time traveler? Very nice for you I suppose, but please, we're busy. Go sightseeing, but don't get in the way."

Despite much wanking about the Doctor's enemies (Cybermen, Daleks) I've seen, what I've watched on the show just doesn't really show them as serious threats to even 23rd century Starfleet. I cannot imagine how anyone would be threatened by Cybermen when the Borg exists.

>>52846908
This is one of those cases where it is just abundantly clear that Star Trek has a surprisingly high power level among popular sci-fi universes. When one of your common hand tools can disintegrate entire buildings, not to mention people, and the other can determine virtually anything about anything, your power level is pretty significant.

>>52847370
>in b4 MUH TERAWATT LASERS

>>52830810
>be proven wrong when Odo uses the cure to convince the Dominion to declare peace

I see someone has never played 4-dimensional chess before.

>>52846784
>>52846863
>>52846908
>>52847370
>>52849811
Just use an anti-chronoton beam and a time based pun, my dudes

>>52851190
Something something the Doctor set a plan in motion 5000 years ago for just this situation blah blah don't think about it.

>>52763904
Seems like they have the option to permanently become solid. If they did it to Odo, they can do it to others.

>>52852229
>[distant Q laughter]

>>52853541
If Q didn't get involved when the folk of the Enterprise met Nagilum or the Douwd, then he's not going to involve himself for the Doctor.

>>52849812
If the Founders die out, the Dominion ENDS. The Vorta would probably all commit suicide once their gods were dead, and that means the Jem'Hadar will be dead in a month when the White runs out.

>>52853923
This is assuming there aren't a bunch of Jem'Hadar like Goran'Agar who aren't addicted to the white. When they're the minority they're suppressed, but imagine if the others have been killed off and they're the only Jem'Hadar left. They get together, bully the Vorta or someone else into letting them engineer more non-dependent Jem'Hadar. Wait a few decades until they've regained effective control over the Dominion, then they go off to find out who killed their gods.

>>52853923
There would be at least some Vorta out to save their own hides.

>>52853923
>>52854007

Another terrifying prospect is the Jem'hadar simply taking the White production facilities from whomever is running them and just becoming an unstoppable conquering horde with no gods to rein them in.

While they have control of the White supply, they'd probably be trying to break their dependence on it. Once they do that...

They could crusade for as long as there are Jem'hadar, and justify it as vengeance against those who dared kill the gods.

>>52856607
Their main issue would be the lack of technical prowess amongst their race. Besides ship and weapon operation, the Jem'Hadar have no understanding of technical roles. They don't understand their own physiology or even what Ketracel white is. That was likely an intentional choice by the founders. It makes them incapable of self sufficiency.

>>52858122

I'd bet the Jem'hadar would learn really fast given the necessity. That, and enslave the technical people they need to keep the war machine running.

On the whole, while they may lack the specific knowledge to build ships or reverse engineer the White, Jem'hadar do not strike me as morons. They're capable of learning, they're capable of adapting. How well they do both would be the determining factor on whether they could survive the Founders dying.

>>52858122
It also possible that in the absence of their gods the ones that don't take a space walk without a helmet try to serve the nearest to a god that they still have. As the Jem'Hadar seem to value strength and ability to fuck shit up above nearly everything else, that being what they were designed for, they would maybe see whoever can do that best as worthy of their allegiance so long as they also know how to make Ketracel White.

Point is that the UFP just fucking ended the Dominion. An empire that existed for thousands of years just got killed by something a few centuries old that doesn't even value warfare. UFP now has a fiercely loyal Jem'Hadar army and whatever ships they arrived in.

>>52858213

Somehow I doubt the Jem'hadar would be friendly to the UFP just because the head of the snake was cut off. Without the Founders/Vorta to keep the Jem'hadar in line, they'd probably break up into warbands and and ravage the countryside until their supply of White ran out.

The ones in the gamma quadrant might be able to hold shit together until they figured out how to break their dependency and secure the resources they need (likely as a feudal arrangement - tithe this many ships and materials in return for protection and not being stomped on).

Once the gamma Jem'hadar get their shit together, they might come surging back, with no one to keep them from being as brutal as possible. Or they might peter out after a few decades as internal struggles tear the Dominion apart and the Jem'hadar fade away into petty warlords coasting on their reputation rather than their actual might.

>>52858207
Wrong. Jem'Hadar literally go crazy and develop health problems without constant fighting. They make the Klingons look like tranq'd out Vulcans.

>>52859087

Source? Because the only stuff in the show is their dependence on the White that makes them sicken and die without it. The Jem'Hadar are all psychotic killing machines, and taking away the White dependency wouldn't make them any crazier than they are already.

>http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Jem%27Hadar

>>52859341
It was the episode with the baby Jem'Hadar that Odo tried to raise.

>>52859570

Having just skimmed through the transcript of the episode, I'm not sure I agree. It's clear that his health problems were from the lack of the White. His psychotic tendencies are just him being a Jem'Hadar.

> [Replimat]

>BASHIR: The boy's DNA sequence has definitely been altered. The nucleotide analysis proves that conclusively.
>DAX: So he's a product of genetic engineering. But why? Was he a unique experiment or is this sort of thing common to his species?
>BASHIR: There's more. His blood chemistry shows he's missing a key isogenic enzyme. Without large quantities of it his circulatory system would simply shut down.
>DAX: Can you replicate this enzyme?
>BASHIR: I've been trying and I think I've come up with a temporary substitute, but what I don't understand is why anybody would want to genetically engineer someone with such an obvious flaw.
>HORTAK [OC]: (urgent) Nurse Hortak to Doctor Bashir. You're needed in the Infirmary immediately.
>BASHIR: On my way.

>http://www.chakoteya.net/DS9/452.htm

>>52859799

Furthermore:

>[Holding cell]

>(Now clearly Jem'Hadar the adolescent is throwing himself against the forcefield.)
>BASHIR: Listen to me. I'm trying to help. Your body is craving a certain chemical compound. That is why you're feeling anxious and having muscle spasms.
>JEM'HADAR: There's nothing wrong with me.
>BASHIR: Yes, there is, and denying it won't make it go away.
>JEM'HADAR: Leave me alone.
(Odo enters)
>ODO: You can wait outside. I think everything is under control now.
>(Security leave, Odo turns off the forcefield.)
>ODO: Please, sit down. You don't look well. How do you feel?
>JEM'HADAR: Something's wrong with me. I feel sick when I eat. I have pains in my head, in my chest.
>BASHIR: His body is addicted to a specific isogenic enzyme. Right now, he's experiencing all the symptoms of withdrawal.
>ODO: Addicted?
>BASHIR: That's right.
>ODO: Can you replicate this enzyme?
>BASHIR: I've had some success with triglycerides, but they're just a stopgap measure. I can't get an exact chemical formula without doing further tests, but he's shown a certain resistance to that idea.
>JEM'HADAR: I don't want any more tests.
>ODO: Doctor Bashir is trying to help you. You should let him.
>JEM'HADAR: You may run your tests.
>BASHIR: Thank you.
>ODO: My name is Odo.
>JEM'HADAR: I don't have a name.
>ODO: When your tests are done, I can get you out of here, maybe show you around the station.
>JEM'HADAR: If you wish.
>ODO: What do you want? Do you have any needs or desires of your own?
>JEM'HADAR: I want to fight.
>ODO: Who? Me?
>JEM'HADAR: No. The others.
>ODO: Why?
>JEM'HADAR: I don't know. But that's what I want to do. Is that wrong?
>ODO: Let's just say we need to find other interests for you to pursue. For the moment, why don't you relax? Try not to be so tense. Take it easy. Smile. A smile, you know.
>(Odo demonstrates, but the Jem'Hadar version is more a sick grimace.)
>ODO: Well, we'll work on that.

>>52859841
>>52859799
Has there ever been any indication that the Jem'Hadar are an uplifted species like the Vorta or were they created out of whole-cloth?

>>52859952
It wasn't mentioned in hard canon, but when the writers were originally coming up with Dominion species they imagined the Jem'Hadar as a pre-warp race of assholes that willingly got uplifted to become elite assholes.

>>52859952

Well, there's information from the writing staff. Supposedly, the Jem'Hadar were uplifted by the Founders. They were some kind of warrior subculture on their planet of origin, and the Founders offered to make them unstoppable killing machines, and they agreed to the deal.

There's a bunch of info on the Memory Alpha page.

>>52859087
They go crazy without the White. They get restless out of combat. Dangerously restless, but not animalistic.

>>52859952
>>52760298

>>52858213
Even if that happened, I'm not sure that the Federation would be remotely equipped to deal with that shitshow. We've all seen how Starfleet penchant for building its own servitor races invariably winds up, and at least with them there was a sliver of doubt as to whether they were sentient or not.

With the Jem'Hadar you have a 100% slave race. I'm sure the Romulans would be delighted to have them. But the Feds would awkwardly try to "award" them freedom so they'd leave and the Klingons would just fight them because it's a day with a vowel in it.

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pew pew

>>52862675
The Klingon calendar has days without vowels, I am sure.

>>52862900
Every letter is a vowel when your language looks like knives

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>>52861690
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DELET THIS

>>52846908
Funnily enough, in that comic, the Borg and Cybermen do team up for a bit.. before the Cybermen turn on the Borg. Their Cyberization process beats the borg nanomachines, and the borg cant assimilate them.

>>52864066
>Borg can't assimilate Cybermen
What, how? Don't the Cybermen just convert people and then that's that? What defenses would they have against nanomachines trying to convert them into something else?

Also, unrelated note, does anyone know why the ship serial numbers get huge in the TNG era shows? All the TOS era ships are in the vicinity of 2000 (Enterprise is NCC 1701, Excelsior is NCC 2000, etc), but the ones in TNG/DS9/etc are 70,000+ (the Defiant is 74205 or 75633, depending on which one you're looking at, and Voyager is 74656).

Did the Federation build 70,000 ships in the 70-80 years between there? Did their numbering scheme change (maybe the first digit indicates the ship's role or something)?

>>52864768
>What defenses would they have against nanomachines trying to convert them into something else?
Doctor Who is unmatched in its plot armor wankery, don't question it.

>>52864846
Ironically isn't that also the reasons the Cybermen were basically useless against the Daleks?

>>52864768
You want Beta canon, show canon, or producer information?
Beta canon seems to be that each ship is assigned a run of numbers, and there's an attempt to prevent overruns by jumping a hundred or so per hull type. FASA seems to have extrapolated that the Transwarp fleet would jump by 1000 per hull type.

Show canon is "we have no idea, Utopa Planitia just gets told what number to paint on."

Producer info is "We just didn't care, and the writers would write stupid numbers and we were forced to put them on."

>>52864066

>Cybermen can't be assimilated

So, bullshit? That sums up Doctor Who nicely. Fun bullshit, but bullshit nonetheless.

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>>52864768
I think they just built a fuckton of ships.

Possibly combined with adding smaller star fleet ships into the NCC registry numbers that were not previously there. Like federation member but not star fleet ships that joined, or ships that were previously numbered as something like NCC-D300 (D for Destroyer, so bound to be a ton of them compared to cruisers and numbers in separate batches), but that's drawing from non-canon stuff like the Star Fleet Museum plus speculation.

But there isn't even a canon meaning for NCC, best we've got is Naval Construction Contract from Franz Joseph's classic the Star Fleet Technical Manual (at least some of Franz's work ended up in Star Trek in an incidental manner).

>>52864868
>Producer info is "We just didn't care, and the writers would write stupid numbers and we were forced to put them on."
Why are writers so retarded?

>>52865030
If we're going for a plausible in-universe explanation this is probably the best, but anytime I run anything Star Trek I'm going to drop that shit down to some reasonable numbers.

>>52865605
>Why are writers so retarded?
As a writer, a lot of writers are legit drooling retard morons who can barely hold a pencil but somehow shit out scripts. They basically just don't give a fuck and write whatever comes into their pea-sized heads. Only a few of us have the raw autism required to make something halfway decent and unfortunately that same autism holds us back 99% of the time.

tl;dr: 90% legit retardation, 10% autism

>>52865605
70,000 seems like a lot, but this is also an organization that patrols a significant portion of the galaxy.

For comparison, there's about 5,000 ships in the navies of the world at the moment.

>>52866249
>5,000 ships (mostly of them presumably dinky) to derp around patrolling and bickering over a planet
>scale up 14 times to cover ~1/8th of the fucking galaxy
Mixing galactic scale sci-fi and math is a mistake from the get-go

>>52864768
Runabouts and such get their own NCC numbers, so I guess there are a bunch of little guys along with the big ships.
>>52866354
>~1/8 of the galaxy
Not even the stupid writers thought that. They've charted not even 1/10, and that's just charting, not actually going to any of these places, let alone patrolling and controlling them. Even if you go by the biggest, craziest estimate possible, the Federation only controls a ball with a diameter of 16,000 ly. Which is jack compared to the size of the whole galaxy.

>>52866460
I like it not being jack.

It's so much more...well...the "r"-word than so many other sci-fi setting expansion rates.

>>52866696
Indeed. And if you use the more conservative estimates (like the map books do), the Federation is much, much smaller. It's just the biggest, most advanced space empire around, so it seems really big.

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This is Mogai-chan. She is less intimidating than her big sister and got punked by the Scimitar.

Please say something nice about her.

>>52866998
It's literally made of weed with joint nacelles.

>>52866249
If 70,000 random ships seems much to you, check out logh.
After watching a battle between two fleets with 20,000 battleships (not counting fighter craft) clash with eachother, you wont look at sci-fi like you used to.
Oh and those are standard sized fleets, the entire fleetpower of each side in that show is somewhere within the margin of +200,000 large combat vessels (Destroyers, Cruisers, Battleships, Carriers).

>>52867393
Yes, we're quite aware of the massive numbers in LOGH.

>>52866998
It's a shame that we only ever see her getting BTFO by the Scimitar. She's a pretty ship.

>>52866249
Registry numbers are counted for throughout the history of Starfleet, not just for ships in active service. If NCC-12345 gets destroyed, or scrapped or whatever, that number isn't recycled. For a new ship, you might keep the ship's name, but the registry number changes. Even a "hero" ship like the Defiant got a new registry number when it got replaced when the first one blew up. The lettering system is reserved only for really prestigious ships like the Enterprise.

So, I don't think 70,000 ships having existed in the centuries of Starfleet's existence is too far fetched of an idea.

>>52868776
I think it's just the 4 founding races that get a re-usable number.

>>52868776
>Even a "hero" ship like the Defiant got a new registry number when it got replaced when the first one blew up.

One would have thought that...but it's not the case, for no adequately explained reason.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Defiant_(2370)

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Sao_Paulo

Not only did the new Defiant keep the old one's registry number, it even kept the NX instead of NCC designation even though it wasn't a prototype.

>>52864856
The Cybermen are useless against the Daleks because the Daleks have a few billion years of technological evolution on top of the Cybermen, who with a singular exception are only ever shown to be a planetary threat, not a universal one. Even in that singular exception, their goals amounted to "conquer this galaxy and other nearby ones".

Whereas the Daleks have regularly engaged in plans that would wipe out significant portions of the universe, or in one case, literally all universes.

>>52864895
The Cybermen aren't even the first entities to be immune to assimilation in Star Trek's own lore, nevermind crossover stuff. Data can't be assimilated, nor can Species 8472.

Given that all that's left of the Cyberman's human form is the brain, which is encased behind metal armor, it's not that hard to imagine that Cybermen are just as immune to assimilation as Data, for basically the same reasons.

>>52864768
Some attempts to reconcile the xbawkshueg registry numbers in TNG on assume that member states' individual craft (Andorian Imperial Guard warships to Vulcan science ships to random runabout #182 from Tau Ceti) were each re-registered under the NCC system and that explains the massive bump.

>>52866099
^^^^

>>52866249
>>52866249
>>52866460
I could see an organization as big as Star Fleet building that many ships, but the problem is that it jumps by an order of magnitude over ~80 years.

Unless they just started using it right before TOS or changed their policy (lumping more ships under NCC or whatever) it just doesn't make sense for such a massive increase.

>>52869979
Couple minor nitpicks.

New Defiant "kept" the registry number, except it did so under NX rather than NCC, which likely has it technically count as a separate number. It's likely they did that so that it could seem like the same registry number at a glance except it's not technically the same thing.

Either way, new Defiant was a special case where they straight up renamed a ship to the same name and similar registry number as another one.

>>52870087
They'd have to be done the old fashioned way, where they strap you down on a table and break out the toolbox like they did with Picard.

>>52870672
I now have an image in my head of two borg in trucker hats, with banjo music playing in the background as they set about "crackin er' open"

>>52866998
So does the Mogai still use singularity technology? I ask because the hollow section of its hull seems really small.

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>>52874831
Singularity core isn't really that big, unless you're on a Scimitar. The engine room on a D'deridex is actually tiny compared to Starfleet engineering rooms.

>>52788339
Iceland does it too.

>>52865030
>Naval Construction Contract
But do we even have any indication that this is a financial endeavor?

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I bet this is S31's doing.

>>52877433
They're turning the voles gay!

>>52877885

>The Omega Directive: The secret Starfleet doesn't want you to know!
>Vulcan Degeneracy: Pon farr, contagious?
>Neural Neutralizer: The infamous mind control device of Tantalus V - where is it now?
>Sleeper Agents of the Vulcans: How mind melds can enforce behavior and cause memory loss!
>The Romulan Connection: Just who are the Vulcans, really?
>Warp Drives: Time machines? Has Starfleet already altered the past, and how they could have done it!

>>52878244
I wonder how much stuff we see on the show is classified. For most of it, only the senior officers would know much, and they know about keeping their mouth shut.

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>>52877004
Can still be contracted without money changing hands.

>>52877004
There are different Shipyards in the UFP. Utopia Planitia, Earth Orbital, Antares, Zakdorn. And others we haven't seen.

Presumably each is contracted to build a certain number of vessels.

>>52878372

I'm betting a ton of stuff is classified, and even as I'm typing this, more stuff is coming to mind.

>U.S.S. Pegasus: The Starfleet Intelligence snafu where everything went wrong
>Councilors on the Bridge: A look into the sinister political appointments that are tying the hands of Starfleet's most capable captains!

There's a ton of stuff in Trek, that when viewed cynically or negatively, could be spun into "conspiracy nut" style theories. Heck, some of it, like the neural neutralizer, warp slingshots, the phasing cloak, and the Genesis torpedo are pretty bad even when you give them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not trying to turn this into a "UFP/Starfleet is ebul!" thing. Just having a little fun with some bits of lore that could be exaggerated by civilians who don't know the details.

>>52878622
Anyone else remember the anon that deduced that the Intrepids were just thinly veiled spy ships?

>Supposedly a cutting-edge science vessel
>Even though the Nova already exists for planetary surveys, and the Nebbie does for larger scale stuff
>Nebbie has a dedicated sensor pod, yet Intrepid is still supposed to compete with it
>In fact, Intrepid's sensors and """astrometrics""" suite, once turbocharged by Best Girl, could see the best part of a quadrant
>Really fast

>Voyager's first mission is to track down a Maquis cell
> R e a l l y fucking fast
>Incredibly combat-capable and self-sufficient for a supposed Oberth replacement
>Even the standard-issue shuttlecraft seem to be geared for recon more than cargo transport, passengers, or literally anything else

>>52878372
>>52878622
I figure they're fairly quick to fluff up positive developments, even if they are theoretically classified.

>Starfleet captain reaches peace settlement for 500 year long war.
>Federation Flagship leads cooperative mission to discover common ancestry of alpha quadrant species
>Station Commander averts coup in mascent Bajoran Republic
>Starfleet ship stuck on other side of Galaxy still making new alliances

It glosses over some less than savory details but generally isn't a complete fabrication.

>>52878835
The Nova doesn't fill the same role. It's intended for short-range planetary surveys within or very near to Federation-controlled space, not deep space exploration missions like the Intrepid.

As for the Nebula, it may just be that the existing Nebbie fleet was getting old or outdated for whatever reason and so was intended to be replaced by the Intrepids.

>>52878966

I doubt the Nebula was "old and outdated". It was designed as a complement to the Galaxy class, which according to the TNG Technical Manual, the Galaxy was built to have an operating lifetime of a hundred years, with five major refits planned over that time, and many smaller refits as the need arose.

By the time the Intrepid comes online, the Nebula and Galaxy weren't even yet due to receive their first major refits. Likely, the Intrepid was specifically meant for the kind of job they sent Kirk and co. to do: [X] year missions in deep space, boldly going where no one had gone before and all that.

>>52878835

But I could see the potential sinister implications of all that gear the Intrepid has. And let's not forget the tricobalt warheads she had, which are banned subspace weapons.

>>52879083
>And let's not forget the tricobalt warheads she had, which are banned subspace weapons.
That may have just been Voyager, which had a lot of strange shit that doesn't seem to be design spec, possibly acquired from the Maquis.

>>52878835
>>52878966
The Nebula is more of a multi-mission platform, like the Miranda. She can be set up for science, support or combat missions. Still easily cabable of filling the Intrepid's mission profile.

As for the Intrepid, I tend to agree that she's likely some form of passive reconnaissance ship, at least when needed to be. The only other Intrepid we see on screen is the Bellerophon... which just so happens to be sent as a "diplomatic vessel" to Romulus, with Starfleet intelligence and Section 31 just along for the ride.

>>52878622
>Councilors on the Bridge: A look into the sinister political appointments that are tying the hands of Starfleet's most capable captains!
Troi always made more sense if she were a political officer or an actual diplomat, or even a counselor to the Captain specifically, instead of the ship's psychologist. Any of the former, and she actually has a purpose being on the bridge, and right next to the captain at that. And it would also make sense, seeing as how she's the daughter of a rather important diplomat, that she would be a diplomat too, or at the very least some political appointment.

>>52879316
>>52879289
That has got to be one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

If that was one of Roddenberry's ideas it's right up there with mini-skirts for men, nobody has personal conflicts and sending children out on deep space missions.

I feel slightly stupider for having read that.

>>52878835
Any scientific equipment can by nature become spy equipment very easily. The Excelsior was "cataloguing gaseous anomalies" and was able to not only determine that a subspace clusterfuck wave originated specifically from a moon of the capital of their biggest enemy, but get a high-quality image showing the real-time status of said moon, in under 5 minutes, and would presumably be able to do the same with the planet itself. The Enterprise used their equipment to make a homing torpedo, also in a trivial amount of time. And that was over half a century before Voyager.

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>>52879390
As always, leave it to FASA to at least make the retarded ideas make a LITTLE bit of sense.

>>52869979
pity they couldn't keep the carpet

>>52879416
That makes a bit more sense.

>>52879247
Troi is only on the bridge and I mean ONLY on the bridge to mind-rape any aliens the ship encounters to steal their secrets and give them to her Captain so that he can better annihilate them.

Any other counselor would never be on the bridge.

This is an interstellar crime against sentience.

>>52879550
I can't find a better video of it on youtube but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ClTUFuCeo

Dr Bob Kelso telling Troi to stop casually invading his privacy was a great little moment.

>>52878966
>>52879083
>>52879185
What I meant about the Nova and Nebbie was echoing the thread back before, about the familiar pattern of:
>Flagship cruiser made of neutronium-plated motherfuck
>Modular multi-mission ship that does the flagship class's job, but cheaper and without needing protagonists onboard
>Squishy ship crewed entirely by smug nerds

Back in the TOS Era that was Connie/Miranda/Oberth, and it's by the late/post-TNG Era where it comes around again, it's the Galaxy, Nebbie, and Nova. In this particular case, the Nebbie's sensor pod and general toughness meant that it could take on the deep space science roles that the Nova'd crumple at.

The Nebbie, Nova and Galaxy were still fairly fresh around the time the Intrepid came out, making it pretty redundant in both the science role it's supposed to be designed for, and the exploration role it appears to be designed for. Considering the tricobalt warheads, the sensor and combat capabilities, the speed - even the shuttles like the other anon said - it does seem to line up with a rather shady mission profile.

Plus, in STO, the word "surveillance"
seems to be used as the tagline for science variants of multi-mission ships. Just sayin'.

>>52879171

I heavily doubt that Voyager somehow stole Maquis tricobalt weapons in the pilot episode.

Anyway, more on scary things from VOY:

>The Intrepid Class: Protection from mind control, or massive invasion of privacy? The new brainscanning tech that will make your skin crawl

>EMH: I found something, and you're not going to like it. This is Mister Paris' memory engram for the last twenty four hours. As you can see, it has a very consistent and distinctive modulation, except at thirteen fifty hours. For one minute forty seven seconds, a different memory pattern appeared. Thirteen fifty hours is also the exact moment when Mister Paris presumably tampered with navigational control. It gets worse. In addition to that, there is another disruption at twelve oh two hours, the moment when he allegedly entered the new course at the helm. I also found there's an identical disruption in Lieutenant Torres's pattern at the moment she shut down warp power. I should point out that this is a neuroelectrical signature, what I believe to be another brain wave that was superimposed on their own.
>PARIS: Another brain wave? Whose?
>EMH: I don't know. It has an unusual energy signature, one I've never seen before.
>JANEWAY: Doctor, what are you saying?
>EMH: One possible explanation, and the only one I can think of at the moment, is that an unknown alien entity momentarily took control of their minds.
>TUVOK: Intruder alert. All security personnel, go to Condition Four. Captain, it is possible the intruder returned with us in the shuttlecraft.

From the episode Cathexis.

>http://www.chakoteya.net/Voyager/112.htm

>>52879550
I mean, if we count Beta canon, Not!House from the VOY novels seemed to do a pretty good job as counselor

>>52880315
>The new brainscanning tech that will make your skin crawl
Federation Buzzfeed when

>>52880398
>Cardassians try Hasperat for the first time
>6 things you never knew about the Breen
>Which Klingon house would you belong to?

The worst part is that it fits so well.

>>52880398
God imagine the shit they'd have to say about the Ferengi.

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