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Posting this again in this new thread. Looking for feedback and recommendations. Thanks, fellow DG bros out there!

What is the shittiest BL fluff?

> Cabal
> Perpetuals
> The Emperor begging / pickpocketing the Gods
> The Emperor saying "Lol GG you guys won forever."
> etc

>>52713070
Yes.

Are there any shopping lists for an absolute beginner? (ie, no supplies, no books, no prior experience with miniatures/painting/etc.)
Trying to get a ballpark of how many shekels I should be looking to throwdown. I've seen recommendations for Betrayal at Calth?

>>52713070
>BL fluff
its all one big ball of jizz-coated horseshit

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So I was rereading Mechanicum and this bit stuck out to me (pic related):


There are apparently trillions of kilometers of cabling and fiber optic wiring on mars.

Assuming they mean 2 trillion km, that means end to end all the wiring on mars would reach about 1/5th of a light year. Suffice it to say such a wire would completely leave the solar system and its end point could be about 2.5% of the way to the nearest star if pointed the right way.

So yeah, torrent speed on mars must be pretty good

>>52713523
Man, I really wish I didn't fail Australian in high school.

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>>52713560

Fuck me, take two

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Just finished assembling Caladius number three and Contemptor Galatus number two. Time for some cleaning and priming.

>>52713165
Battle at Calth contains a lot of good stuff to start off with. 30 Veteran Tacticals (also make fine tactical squads) in MkIV armour, 5 Cataphractii Terminators, a mono-pose Dreadnought and 2 generic characters (one in Cataphractii and one in Power/Artificer Armour).

Burning of Prospero contains 30 Veteran Tacticals in MkIII armour, 5 Tartaros Terminators, 5 Custodes, 5 Sisters of Silence, 1 Thousand Sons Sorceror and 1 Space Wolf Character.

The Custodes and Sisters fall outside the normal Legion armies and the characters are quite heavily decorated for their specific legions.
This makes the Burning of Prospero a little less of a deal than Battle at Calth.

As for books, Age of Darkness Legions and Age of Darkness Armylist gives you the rules for the majority of Legions that are out (Space Wolf and Thousand Sons are in book 7, these red books don't contain information from book 7 yet, but it may be a while for a new pair of Red Books comes out).

On the painting/modelling supplies front, I'd start off with some practice material before committing to the hobby, you'd want to be sure that it is what you want to do.
This isn't exactly a cheap hobby.

Would there be any problem if I use Skitarii Sicarans as Servo-automatas after a bit of conversion?

>>52713614
they're also way to big, servo automatas are on 20mm bases and smaller then a normal humie. most people seem to use scyllax for it though.

>>52713614
As with anything of this type, ask yourself two questions:

1) is the base size correct

2) is the height correct

3) is the width at least pretty close (if not, give your opponent benefit of the doubt for TLOS)

If all the above are "yes," then you're fine.

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Finally done.

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>>52713674

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>>52713688

>>52713688
where's the axe from?

>>52713613
Thanks for the detailed explanation. Yeah, I realize I should take a couple steps before committing so I was more curious about painting/modeling supplies. Is there a recommended list of what to buy there, as I'm starting from complete scratch?

>>52713713
One is an old plastic Space Wolf axe, the other is from the new Devastator box and looks just like the 2E plastic power axe.

>>52713070
Out of those? Pick-pocketing the gods.

I like BL but FUCK Vengeful Spirit.

>>52713834
>Pick-pocketing the gods
Elaborate?

The only gods in 40k canon are the Chaos Gods, correct?

>>52713747
It depends on what's available, the modelling/miniature painting brands out there tend to all be at least competent.
The choice between any of them really comes down to personal preference, and many will mix and match brands as they go, as there are no truly bad choices in this particular niche.

Games Workshop's materials may well be the most commonly available but trend a little to the expensive side.
Their washes and technical paints are absolutely fantastic though, and lots of those here will be using them.

Just for familiarizing yourself with painting you could try buying some cheaper miniatures and invest a little bit in some paints (there are starter sets out there, Army Painter, Reaper, Vallejo all have various options available for instance).
The GW starter sets aren't bad either, however they contain smaller sized paint pots which makes them less of a deal than the full size pots in the AP, Reaper and Vallejo sets.

As for the miniatures themselves, be sure to get something that you want to paint.
Just grabbing some cheap stuff is one thing, but you need to enjoy painting them, it really helps with motivation.

>>52713929
There's the Eldar ones as well.

>>52713953
Stargods.

>>52713978
Those are simply entities as old as the universe. Quite weak on their own, diffuse as they are.
They feed on stars, true, but they're not that powerful, certainly not on the level of greater warp entities.
Condensed into the small form of a C'than, sure, they're absolute masters of the physical realm around them, but their natural form definitely isn't.

>>52713012
Looks pretty good to me, except it will be way too easy to avoid combat with the Cataphractii.

>>52713165
Oh boy. Betrayal at Calth is the way to go for most legions, but not all. If you've been lurking a while, you should have some idea what you want to do... tell us first. Then we can pick some basic colors for you as well.

No need to pay the premium for GW brushes, glue, clippers, etc. Generic all the way. But you'll want clippers, x-acto knife and blades, tweezers, superglue with a brush applicator, plastic cement, green stuff or modeling putty, a cutting pad, pin vise, size 0 or 1 brush, larger brush, flat or slanted-tip brush for drybrushing (GW's drybrushes are actually worth it, in this particular case), spray primer, blue-tack or something like that to temporarily stick minis onto corks or other things while painting, overcoat (aka varnish), and a few cheap practice minis (probably 40k marines off ebay).

>>52714021
Nope, C'tan are as powerful as the Chaos Gods are powerful in the Warp. They have absolute power over reality and are fundamental parts of the fabric of reality. Meaning if they were truly destroyed, then reality would unweave itself. Also they have mastery over souls.

I mean a sliver of a C'tan had its power used to unmake the galaxy (It was stopped via sacrifice of the Eldar). Not just a star system or a sector, the whole galaxy was going to be erased from the space-time continuum.
The C'tan early form of existence wasn't weak. Theit minds and bodies were so vast that they didn't comprehend the existence of the corporeal universe and the fleshy beings living within it.

>>52714115
I see I missed a pile of retcons somewhere.
Last I knew the C'tan's diffuse forms weren't masters of the universe at all, just vast unknowable entities, not of any concern to the greater universe.
Their condensed forms focus all of their abilities in a frame that's microscopic on their scale, making them capable of manipulating reality on an amazing scale, but in their diffuse form they're simple star vampires as old as the universe itself. They can consume souls true, but that's simply a very dense form of energy to them.

Also, the Chaos gods are far more vast, with far more power at their disposal, but their power in real-space is limited by their existence in the warp.

>>52713523
If it's cat 6 cable, 2 trillion km (x6.2mm wide) would only cover like 8.5% of Mars's surface with one layer of cable. There's room for more!

>>52713593
>pristine cabinets
>nice marble countertop in the kitchen
yeah I'm gonna go ahead and guess these are authentic and not recasts.

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>>52713929
>>52713953
>>52713978
Don't forget Gork and Mork!

>>52713674
Love them!

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>>52714168
>Last I knew the C'tan's diffuse forms weren't masters of the universe at all, just vast unknowable entities, not of any concern to the greater universe.

They existed in a higher plane of existence as ethereal beings. They had no need to use any of their powers because they cared for nothing but sucking on stars. When the the Necrontyr clothed them in Necrodermis, the C'tan minds were forcefully made aware of the universe around. It didn't make them powerful or boost their abilities, they already had all of that they just didn't have a reason or motivation to use them. When they discovered that feasting on life and being worshipped rocked, the fireworks started to fly.

The C'tan can abandon their Necrodermis and fly off as mass of malignant energy (usually in form of a mass of light or dark matter). They are just as powerful as they are in living metal cloth. Presumably the Necrodermis shell just helps them from having their essences suddenly disperse over thousand of space miles being that would be inconvenient.

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>>52713523
Probably not as excessive as it sounds, oddly enough - as of 2015, there was enough underwater fibre optic cables (and this is just underwater) to reach the moon and back, and Mars has been inhabited for almost 30000 years at this point - and has for much of that been a tech haven, to boot.
Having one or two million times as much fibre-optic as we have under the sea isn't all that much, not when you have buildings that reach space and shit

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What Primarch/Legion preps the bull?

>>52714533
Iron Hands, as much as it pains me. Ferrus died so early on his hefty backstory still doesn't keep him from being a jobber.

>>52714103
Awesome thanks, this list was pretty much what I was looking for, going shopping for supplies while the stores are still open.

>>52713940
Yeah, the plan was to familiarize myself with painting before committing to a legion. Even the concept of spray painting a base is a bit daunting so I have a long way to go.

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Is there any info about where the Custard Creams recruit from?
I'm assuming mostly Terra but if they happen to be on another planet and find someone with the potential to be one of them could they just take them home?

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>>52713916
Its said that the Emps went to a planet called Molech with a bunch of other Perpetuals, proceeded to bargain or steal away the power of the gods and then fuck off back to Terra

Horus later showed up on Molech to get a power boost from the Chaos Gods before he went to assault Terra

>>52713688
I love those helmets, what kit are they from?

>>52713688
>>52713712
>>52713674
How did you paint the bases anon?

>>52715198
I think they're destroyers.

>>52715360
It looks like you're right there, thanks

>>52714227
You would be correct; and I'm a stickler for cleanliness too. I'm not above recasts, but none of my Dreads or Caladius are recasts.

>>52714916
From conquered planets and civilizations that the Emperor personally oversaw, or events where Custodes would assassinate individuals, but spare the children and recruit them.

>>52715198
Anon has it right, the unit is converted from Destroyers.

>>52715210
The bases are Vallejo Black Lava with a basecoat of brown and then drybrushing up through some warm greys.

>>52713593

Oh fuck that's huge.

Cool I guess, but I was honestly expecting the one I ordered on Thursday to be smaller based off the gun profiles, that thing looks practically superheavy.

>>52713070
what is wrong with the cabal

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>>52715989
Don't mind both WIP tanks, but the Coronus is way bigger than the Caladius.

>>52713593
what is 'cleaning' i thought you did that before building in water?

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>>52715989
Also; Here's a comparison of a Coronus with a Deathwatch marine.

>>52716593
Wow fuck me thats a big tank

>>52716600
Trimming, sanding, filling gaps, etc. when my model is fully built I then scrub it down with a toothbrush dipped in rubbing alcohol to fully strip all oils. Works better than soap and water for me.

>>52716608
BIG

>>52716593
I thought the tanks were all the same size, fuck me I was wrong the bigs ones are like Baneblade size

>>52713613
whilst this is generally true I don't necessarily think calth is always a better option. Mk IV looks very similar to normal marines so is less exciting, and 1 contemptor which you get from calth is worth far less than 5 sisters of silence and 5 custodes which you get from prospero (everything else is equal), which you could keep if doing a loyal legion or sell for a fairly reasonable amount if not, definitely more than the price of one contemptor. The only problem is the characters, but Ahriman is a pretty easy conversion to a librarian, and you could just sell grigor.

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>>52716629
>>52716633
Here's a real fun mindfuck

>>52716629
FAT

>>52716626
how do you then get the rubbing alcohol off? Or does it just evaporate with no residue

>>52716662
>It just gets bigger

What the fuck FW how big can we go?

>>52716666
GRAV

>>52716629
if true

>>52716681
High profile rubbing alcohol dries on it's own faster than water.

I usually let it sit for under half an hour and then spray primer.

>>52716689
MOBILE

>>52716686
Don't tempt them. You say that and FW will make a Grav superheavy that I'm gonna have to buy.

>>52716702
DICKS

>>52716711
OF

>>52716662
Are we sure Custodes are human, these look too much like a Wave Serpent to be real Imperial tanks

>>52716754
I mean the Emperor was inspired by the Eldar at one point.

Also Custode tanks are surprisingly old-ish. They were designed during the early use of Thunder Warriors and ended up getting upgraded as time went on.

>>52716770
Also DARK AGE OF TECH stuff is really fuggen awesome.

>>52716782
Fuck yeah it is.

Grav Tanks and Grav weaponry everywhere. Weapons so strong they get banned even by the Emperor himself, and technologies so powerful that they're contained to less than handfuls of use in the whole Imperium.

God damn.

>>52716571
More of Primarchs believing filthy Xeno scum.

>>52716838
GLORIA TERRA

>>52714916
Empy showed that he'd often take the direct children of vanquished ennemies or rebels, like prince and shit, in MoM.

During the Great Crusade I suppose he'd do the same if the children weren't mutated, and of very good genetic stock. He did have a fuckloaf of planets to choose from.

>>52716593

Holy fuck it's that size and all it is is a 12 man non-assault transport with a weird lascannon and a fancy heavy bolter?

What a low impact for such a massive brick of resin.

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>>52716662
> And they describe that thing as the Custodes Razorback
HOW BIG WILL A CUSTODES SPARTAN BE?

>>52717237

Seriously. I didn't get one because I see no use for a non-assault transport that isn't even a better gunboat than it's points in bikes or Caladius... But if it's so gargantuan then it's honestly pretty inexcusable that it has "Meh I'll just take Valdor or infiltrate" tier rules.

>>52717323
That it can only hold 6 custodes according to the rules is fucking retarded. It is twice as large as a Land Raider, but can only barely hold more troops.

Maybe somebody should start a petition to ask FW to re-do Inferno, it's just a goddamn mess.

local meta going custodes heavy... i need ultimate anti-custodes list. what's best? mechanicum maybe?

>>52716662
I dislike how Custodes vehicles are only enlarged versions of themselves, FW could do better than this.

>>52717504
Probably Ordo Reductor. Several Adsec squads for fearless tarpits out the ass, S10 artillery and 40k grav, Droplites for instagibbing any tank they bring with 12 BS5 Cover-1 Haywire hits and Magi that can walk off Solarite Gauntlet hits all day even if they can't do much damage back. Also, air power and excellent LoW options, plus Custodes lack anti-vehicle at range and they can't CC if there's 80 Adsec all over your deployment zone and around the tanks. Toss in a few Occularis and intercept with Medusas and Graviton Imploders.

>>52717504

Mechanicum against ranged instant death: The army?

>>52717585
Well, we don't always have to go full boop spam, there's other builds, and they have either a very low range and volume of fire, plus lowish strength, or rely on a 1/6 failed T test. I'm not very fussed, plus in an OR list the most valuable thing they can hit is T6 3++ and in an AV14 Flared tank with bodyguards.
Also, all their melee is way overkill against us, which helps, since they're paying for a shit ton of superfluous choppy when Thallax and Adsec would lose anyway.

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>>52713165
You might be better off getting this set.

You will just need a box cutter to remove the minis from the sprue.

this'll give you a good idea of the painting and modelling part of the hobby first. If you don't like Ultramarines maybe pick up another colour as well as this set like medium green for salamanders, or red for blood Angels.

>>52717585
better idea?

>>52717644
Maybe a bunch of Medusa and Thudd Gun spaming IW list,

What do cuckstodes have for Anti-Air if they don't have a lot then maybe lightnings to pop the transports with chainfist missiles

>>52713165
That anon >>52717631 has the right idea. Get this and the start collecting box with all the tools. It'll be enough to try your hands at stuff for about 30 euros, then you can buy more paint and models if needed.
That non

>>52717504
Pride of the Legion so you can spam sniper veterans and don't care about T5.

Terminators with powerfists, join Forgelord with Rad Grenades to unit and Instant Death those fuckers first round of combat. Bonus point is you can give the Forgelord cataphractii and a cyber familiar for your own 3++ dude.

Seekers fuck Custodes right up with Scorpius rounds, but you gotta keep them out of combat. And alive.

Dreadnoughts with AV 13 front generally are a struggle for the banana boys in CC. Not all units can take those gauntlets, only one cuckstodes can use a meltabomb now, and with Str 10 the dreadnought can clear them out pretty well.

To deal with the vehicles you want enough volume of fire to get past the Jink save. Taking mobile anti-armour to get side or rear armour seems like a good idea. Oh and nothing of the custodes shoots up, so flyers might be an option too.

>>52717585
Mech might not be bad if you spam so many tech thralls to drown them in RoPT bodies and enough rad spam to reduce their toughness

>>52717504
TSons. Shriek the pants off them.

Anything with AV. Kill their Dreads and they can't do shit.

>>52717765
This guys is correct. Marksmen veterans with combi flamers for effectively having rending flamers that wound on a 4+. Use a destroyer squad to rad missile their guys to rad phage prep them for the inevitable close combat. Mop up with terminators with power fists and instant death due their guys being -1t from rad phage.

Custodes are warriors, astartes are soldiers. Nary in the history of humanity has a force of warriors defeated a professional army.

Would using a named character praetor/centurion/consul equivilent satisfy the warlord requirement in a Army of Dark Compliance list? Follow up question, is there any synergy between militia/warp cults and Alpha Legion? It seems like a really fun and fluffy army

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Do the decals on these shoulders look like they've been free-handed?

>>52718814
No, those are the decals that come in the BaC set. FW Word Bearers decals look better if you ask me

>>52718234
Yeah, the named characters (Dynat?) should count, same as they do for regular HQ slots. As for synergy, as you're Sworn Brothers you can toss ICs into Infantry blobs or shooty squads with Alpharius around to grant the whole unit Preferred Enemy, or possibly use Venom Sphere harnesses on termie ICs to give a 50-man giant tarpit o' doom Hammer of Wrath. Would eat into your HQ slots, though, since you need a Force Commander to take Provenances. Could you use Apothecaries for that? Not sure about the exact specifics of the Legion list, but if there's no explicit list of the squads they can join you could dole out Feel No Pain and Preferred Enemy liberally.

What Provenances do you want? Zealot Rending horde, or more conventional?

>>52718937
I was planning on taking Cult Horde and Tainted Flesh for cultist blobs o' doom to support my more elite Astartes forces. Also I was planning on taking a medic detatchment to give my blobs FnP.

>>52718974
Cult medics can't be attached to Levy blobs, so you'd have to use Apothecaries instead.

Personally I just ally in a couple blobs of CHTF Levies instead of AoDC just for those, but it could be good. Does anyone know whether attached characters to an Artillery unit can fire the guns? Because if so, stick SM characters in units of fixed artillery to get around the snapfire thing and get cheap FnP meatshielded Medusas and Basilisks. Fixes the Ld and autocharging problem, too, 'cause they're Fearless and aren't allowed to charge.

>>52719025
Alas attached models cant fire artilery

>>52718814
Not only are the decals way to uniform to be freehands, the lack of a matt varnish over them makes them look extremely glossy compared to the rest of the models. The decals stand out like a sore thumb.

Why are Custodes so awesome? You'd think they'd just be tall golden marines, but something about them just oozes personality the marine models just don't have to the same level.

Could somebody post the horus heresy recommended list

>>52719149
That's just like, your opinion man. In my eyes the all gold armour makes them look dull, and with how GW made the models they look way too much like those ultra-boring sigmarines.

And they all look so similiar. With marines you can at least make each of them more of an individual with where you put grenades, pistol holsters and pouches, what wargear they hold, there's a lot more room for campaign markings and personal icons, and battle damage looks a lot better on non-metallic armour.

>>52719162

Official Horus Heresy Nobel Reading Order:

1: Don't.

>>52719212
Well memed my friend.

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>>52719201

>Battle damage
>Besmirching the glorious golden plate of his most exalted companions

In all seriousness, they have fucking awesome Dreadnoughts and look cool in small numbers. They just don't carry a full army too well.

>>52719149
I think Custodes at least unpainted have an appeal due to how ornate their armor is, but for me a painted up marine army still looks a hell of a lot better than painted up Custodes. Gold is grand and all, but the legion have far better styles going for them

>I'm gonna scrape/sand the detail off my Custodes and paint them up in legion colors instead

>>52719162
First three books (Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames) then whichever books are relevant to your Legion. Maybe Master of Mankind if you want to see what the Emperor's up to and rage.

>>52719249
To be fair he isn't entirely wrong. Everything I've read so far only led to dissapionting story arcs, waifus, writers enforcing their own view on how things should be, plotholes large enough to fly the Vengefull Spirit through, and meme worhty levels of writing.

>>52719025
Wait why cant you attach medics to levy squads exactly?

>>52713070
both perpetuals and stealing the gods power are trash.

>>52719315
Like i told my buddy only the bantz make it worth slugging through bl writing

>trying to decide on a legion
>read A Thousand Sons
I guess I'm a /sonofprospero/ now.

>>52719315

Pretty much.

Look, the heresy novels are basically a scam, in that they've stretched them out into a ludicrous going to be more than 50 book by the time it's done cycle. There is no real quality assurance any more than one could pick up a random Star Wars EU novel and get anything but liquid crap.

You can pick out a few specific ones, but don't go into it wth the attitude of "I'm going to read the Heresy novels!"

>>52719529
Better than a yiff

>>52719498
Under the Medic's Attached Deployment rule there's an explicit list of the squads they can join, Levies aren't on the list. Probably would be a little much to give every single man in the army Feel No Pain for ten points a squad, notwithstanding that CH and TF already nets them FnP 6+.

Sucks, since none of the squads they can join particularly need FnP, but it's a nice 40pt extra in a full army if not helpful for allies.

>>52713674
Where are the helmets from

>>52719718
Destroyers

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>>52719595
Nah.

>>52719934
Delete this.

>>52719934
DELET THIS

>>52717570
This. I had nothing against them having a vehicle or two in that style, but this over-reliance on a single style across the board for a faction is lazy. Even Necrons have different skeleton rowboats and their vehicles aren't all different size monoliths.

It's very clear the only reason they didn't give Custodes Land Raiders, for example, is because of OC donut steel.

>>52720171
Yeah, I agree with you there. Personally I don't like the look of either the Custodes or the Caladius family, so not only is a Talons army two wildly clashing aesthetics, I don't even like one of them. My goto plan against them is to kill all the vehicles and Dreads/Jetbikes immediately just to unify things a bit :).

>>52713070
>> The Emperor begging / pickpocketing the Gods
Daily Reminder that we're told this by a daemon who's trying to convince Horus to do the same thing.

And daemons are fucking liars.

>perpetuals
Honestly they don't really bother me since they basically come off as Shaman who didn't take part in the mass suicide ritual that created the Emperor. And they kinda take up some of the old aspects of the Sensei as well.

>>52719201
what a fucking idiot

>>52720963
Hey, it's not nice to say that somebody needs to have brain damage in order to like custodes. Retract your statement at once.

>>52718814
I need to ask a very stupid question.
The Eavy Metal/box art model often use advanced techniques like glazing, bleding and NMM right? They don't just do Basecoat wash highlight right?

>>52717398
>Maybe somebody should start a petition to ask FW to re-do Inferno, it's just a goddamn mess.
An even better idea would be to call them long distance and ask. You can get a calling card for $10 just about anywhere.

While you're at it, bug them about the FAQ and Errata.

>>52719302
>First Three Books
>not including Flight of the Eisenstein
>an iconic part of the Heresy that has existed since the beginning

>>52720502
I don't mind the grav tank.

But yeah, I think my only Talons transport will be the SoS sand worm dildo, the rest will just have to walk. Or maybe I can give them a Stormlord as a LoW? Wonder what one would look in Custodes colours (old school red with gold trim).

>>52717398
It can hold 12 passengers, which is 2 more than a land raider. Custodes are Bulky, so could only fit 5 into a land raider.

>>52721220
5 is more than enough if it's a Phobos.

>>52721293
Land Raiders should have a transport size of 12, so an independent character in termie armour can join the squad.

>>52721187
If you're including Eisenstein then you might as well include Fulgrim and Thousand Sons as they've got the same qualifications.

But I stand by the first three books and then whatever is relevant to your legion.

/HHG/ demographics are a seasonal thing. It has been IW, AL and we're currently in DG age. Angelus will surely bring about lots of BA.
Do you think we'll ever see the age of IFs? Or UMs?

>>52721421
>TFW the Land Raider model has 12 seats in its interior
>Transport capacity is only 10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBxn56l9WcU

>>52721187
Flight of the Eisenstein is entirely skippable unless you care about the Death Guard.

>>52721534
If you want to play UM just play 40k.

>>52721534
I expect DA to get a lot. BA have never seemed that popular.

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Question to all the dudes here who actually have painted armies and used them in games (I'm looking at you DG anon):

Do you varnish your models to protect them? How do you varnish them? GW gloss and Lahmian Medium? Spray or brushed on?

If you have, how has it effected the models? Does it change their colours? Has it adequately protected your guys? etc

>>52721534
Imperial fists and ultramarines seem always at a simmer beneath the hot army de jour. there always seems to be someone around who plays them. For me, the rarest are dark angles, blood angels, white scars for obvious reasons but also sons of Horus, Salamanders, and iron hands.

Plenty of people seem to like raven guard, ultra marines, imperial fists, thousand sons especially now, space wolves, night lords, world eaters, emperors children.

The most popular are word bearers, iron warriors, alpha legion, death guard.

>>52721154
they used to, nowadays they have been told to tone down their painting skills to that of a 15 year old or whatever.

>>52721690
>least popular are blood angels
>most popular are word bearers

I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

Check the demographics poll. Unless the BA pillar is bolstered by some retard with a bot

>>52721727
Taking about my locale. Hence why the preface "for me".

>>52721154
>Eavy Metal/box art model
There are two teams, the army painting team and the eavy metal team. Most of the box art is done by the army painting team but the HQ's are done by eavy metal. However Eavy metal has to follow the scheme for the rest of the army so...

The actual eavy metal team are world class painters.

>>52721727
There are a few word bearers players/painters here that are quite active posters but I don't think the legion is that popular

>>52721727
Yeah, 99% sure that poll got botted.

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>>52721154
>advanced techniques
>glazing, blending

>>52721683
I use a spray can of non-glossy varnish after a model is done, then do things like lenses with gloss varnish by hand. Besides protecting the paint it also ensures that the whole model is evenly shiny, and doesn't have things like decals that look super shiny right on top of a shoulderpad that doesn't. If you're varnishing something like all metallic painted models or want a certain effect you go for gloss varnishing the entire model ofcourse.

When I started I didn't even undercoat my models. Those models are now almost entirely bare metal and plastic (yes yes I am repainting them) and even with the first undercoated ones there are a lot of areas where the undercoat can be seen again.

>>52721855
Could you post one of your models?

Also what brand of spray varnish?

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>>52721700
>>52721746
Yeah I figured as much. Maybe I can push out some box art quality models someday, I'm still a newbie after all.

>>52721844
They are to me, I'm still trying to master the basics before trying some more complicated stuff, as shownby this tabletop quality Carcharodon.
No point in trying more complicated techniques if I can't do the basics properly.

>>52721953
Right attitude to have. I know a guy who produces sloppy THICC pieces of shit and keeps insisting they look awful because of 'the lighting'. Never be that guy. Always acknowledge the faults and keep humble.

>>52721953
looks pretty solid, try using some gloss on the eyes to give them more of a shine (if thats the effect you want)

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>>52721953
Don't worry, anon, with a little effort even you can be a Golden Demon level painter.

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So obviously Custodes look massively better painted with proper contrast and detailing like this, but we also saw those Black Custodes in inferno.

Are there any other good alternate schemes which wouldn't seem too out of place?

How do you guys model artificer armor? My army doubles for 40k and started as a 40k army, so I'm considering mk8 from Deathwatch with the I filed off for up-armored chestplates. The detail is already mostly covered by bandoliers, so it could easily pass as Mk6.

I know this is ahistorical, but I'm not sure what would actually look good. I mix all three of the main marks for my Blackshields, so setting one mark aside doesn't. Any suggestions?

>>52722102
artificer armour is as described, a unique suit of plate that can look like anything the crafter wants it to be. loken's model has a MKVIII-tier gorget, with tassets on the breastplate

use your imagination

>>52722063
are you blind that's a fucking disgusting colour scheme?

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First of many.

>>52722019
Yeah, as much as lighting can play a role, unfortunately for us bad painters, a good paintjon will look good unless extreme circumstances, and the contrary is also true. Same goes for people.

>>52722026
Why thank you, anon. I use Nuln Oil gloss actually. It doesn't show in pictured but it does in person. It's exactly the deep void black I want.

>>52722045
The Slayer Sword is calling me already.

>>52722162
>>52722122
>posts 'same model' twice
>says they are many

Alpha Legion infiltration detected

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>>52722063
I'm considering doing my single squad in the classic emperor's scheme.

Not sure I want to deal with painting figures that large in white ever again though, however good I think it'll look in the end.

>>52722190
Cover blown.
Huge pics probably piss people off and make minis look bad.

>>52722152

By what metric? It certainly looks better than the almost entirely gold Custodes I've been seeing around.

>>52722210

The Emperor was a White Scar?

Also rare appearance of the other Talon of Horus.

>>52722262
Nah, check that filigree on the white.

Dude was just stylish.

>>52722246
red visors look shit on custodoes, green is better. That red is like lego and takes all the style out of the armour. It should be deeper shade of red verging on brown. That brown leather on the gloves is grotesque, and doesn't even look like leather. It should be a reddish brown. Painting the cheek pipes silver is a mistake, if they are gold then the silver takes on a more graceful appearance. If you don't like gold don't play fucking custodians.

>>52722314

You're right about the eyes and exactly nothing else.

>>52722150
All right. I know some people are sticklers about their models, and I wasn't sure if there was an "accepted" kit for artificer.

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>>52722396
>MY GOD MKVIII ON -MY- TABLE?! DELET THIS SICK FILTH RIGHT NOOOOW

I'd generally convert the model you want artificer on to make it unique, and not just MKVIII that is 'artificer'. Add cables, rims, sculpt new shit, etc.

>>52722396
why not use your legion upgrade kit as artificer armor. custom helmets and torsos, etc.

>>52722102
I don't recommend it

deathwatch chestplates are slightly different sizes to regular space marine chestplates, so your guys will look a little more lumpy and malformed than the usual space marines

>>52722536

Having a random pile of marine bits I'm gradually kitbashing into deathwatch when bored, it's not bad if you're good at converting.

And I mean, if you're bad at converting you're gonna fuck up no matter what you do, so go ahead and trial and error your way to being better at it.

>>52722102
Please go. I don't want you here.

>>52722507
>Why don't you use your Legion upgrade kit?
>For Blackshields
I would if I had one.
>>52722460
Yeah, I'm trying to get better with greenstuff so I can do at least a little decent-looking added detail.
>>52722631
I don't want me here either, so we're on even ground.

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We're doing an escalation league of sorts at the FLGS to get more people into the hobby and encourage more/new armies. I've wanted to put my marines aside for a while, so I decided to use the opportunity to assemble
500pts to start with, one HQ and one Troop. It's turned out to be pretty popular and a lot of people decided to participate.

So, here's the Shield Captain and the Guardian Squad I have so far. The BA powerfist works pretty well, thanks for the recommendation. I replaced the blood drop with an aquila head so it'd match the rest of the model a little better; I tried a two-headed form, but that looked silly. Also, fairly happy with the archeotech pistol on the underside of the fist.

On the veteran player side we have:
- Solar Auxilia
- Alpha Legion
- White Scars
- Custodes (me)
- Sons of Horus
- World Eaters
- Dark Angels (this guy already has DA, but, hey, whatever)
- Questoris Crusade

As far as guys new to HH go:
- Word Bearers
- Salamanders
- World Eaters
- Ultramarines
- Orks (yes, seriously)
- Mechanicum x2
- Thousand Sons x2

Anybody got experience with escalation leagues?

>>52722738
Are those really your models?

>>52722738
>someone actually taking time-period-appropriate xenos to a 30k league
ballsy

>>52722738
>fist and shield cuckstodes captain at 500
neck yourself

>>52722796

>4 footslogging models at 500 points

He's fine, they'll never manage to kill anything.

>>52722782
Yes? Is there something wrong with them?

>>52722796
Another one failed the test.

>>52722738
>17 players for a league at a single location
I hope you recognize how good of a situation you're in. There are less than 10 tabletop gamers in a 5-county area here, and half of them won't touch 40k, let alone 30k.

>>52722865

Is the test being smart enough to realise there's nothing wrong with stacking equipment on your HQ in a piss-ass model count list?

>>52722796
How is this a problem? He costs a lot and is not *that* dangerous. Yes, he's durable as fuck but without EW and selectable warlord trait he's hardly unkillable.

>>52722866
I'm sure a good number of them will drop out sooner or later, but, yeah, we were all surprised how many new guys were willing to give it a shot.

>>52722888
Don't worry, Just ally in some marines with phosphex quad mortars once you get some more points to play with. You might as well if you are going to have a primarch+ character in sub 500 points.

>>52722888
That as well as realizing that past a certain point the capabilities of a character become irrelevant, because the fabled primarch-tier punchup will never be actually resolved over the course of a game.

any militia lists that can hold their own besides the rending/fearless blob stuff?

>>52722738
I like your guys but they would look better FUCKING IMPALED IN A SPARTAN. FOR LORGAAAAR
Excuse me. Good luck with the league buddy!

>>52722738
>- Mechanicum x2
>- Thousand Sons x2

It probably isn't like that, but that seriously gives the impression of WAACfags migrating over from 40kg

>>52723045
>implying there's anything wrong with taking good options in a game

>>52722970
Multiple Land Raiders supported by artillery!.

>>52723161
anymore details? i just started reading the army list - thanks

>>52723045
In at least one case it might well be like that, to be honest. At least, one of the TS guys is the a local tournament player who's traveling all over the place for those. Don't know the other TS player very well.
One mechanicum player has a huge robot fetish, so I'll excuse that.

>>52717504
Pride works the best. Terminators beat custodes through attrition and sniper vets ignore T5.

Really sucks since I play Dangles and I always end up with less units at the end of the game, those extra victory points always get me.

>>52723255
Not him but take Survivors of the Dark Age, give your Grenadiers 30" S4 lasguns and Land Raiders as dedicated transports, then fill your heavy slots with artillery and gun-line everything to death.

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>>52712937
Would it be mean to go full high techno-arcana with IH and run the Rite of Bitter Iron with two spiffed out Spartans with 20 man squads of Immortals carrying volkite chargers and both carrying a Battlesmith (Autek and a Forgelord)?

Alongside would rumble a Glaive for extra Zzzrapp.

Besides being horribly expensive money wise, I am afraid of being a mega douche...even thoug the list might not be very good as I am going for rule of cool and Medusan Immortals are not that known to be broken.

>>52723320
Why not 18" Str 5 Laslocks? Get your stand in Solar Auxilia with better armour here!

>>52723353
well, its a bad list, thats for sure
your immortals will probably make it into shooting range, fail to kill the units that want to kill, and then get swept in melee by a unit actually good at combat

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>~35 books later
>still nothing about Saul Tarvitz and the surviving loyalists

That's basically a canon death by BL standards isn't it

>>52723408
I had hoped that using all those lascanons/destroyers would allow to pop most transports and give the glaive room to work.
But yeah, the Immortals are shit without a hammer unit to use their Anvil.

Will crunch numbers if 10 man squads of them in Proteus Raiders allows for geting Autek and some Gorgons in a Caestus. That sounds fun and still allows the Immortals to hold objectives.

Probably with boring Bolters but I will keep the Artificer, Power fist and Cyber Familiar sarge.
That guy is rather nasty in CC.

>>52723496
Nah, Loken's story already has proven that that only means they're 'in the fridge' so to speak, ready to appear the instant one writer wants to

>>52723496
Fluff has always been that Tarvitz's intervention bought time for the loyalist, nothing more. As soon as Angron and the others set foot on the planet they were doomed.
Canonically the only survivor was Loken last I heard. And he went mad from the experience.

>>52723496
>He needs BL to validate something

Pathetic, make your force with Tarvitz and Rylanor leading a shattered legion force and BUILD HIS STORY!.

>>52723608
you mean FORGE THE NARRATIVE

Book 43 is out.

http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/hh-shattered-legions-ebook.html

Reminder Autek Mor is the best Iron Hand

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>>52723045
Yes, it's the player's fault that they are taking good things, not the designers

>>52722152
>having shit taste

>>52723672
I kow this is bait, but there is always a bit of restrain to use if you don't want to ruin other people's fun.

>>52723670
Fact.

>>52723728

It's true as far as general trends go. Player's will creep up the worse the designers do at defining a baseline power level and mostly keep to it.

>>52723728
If losing totally ruins their fun they shouldn't have taken suboptimal options.

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>>52723045
I mean, personally I picked Mechanicum because they're fucking awesome robots who control a good chunk of the Imperium's power and have unmatched gadgets and military might they will hardly if ever use, and all their models are sexy as hell. Also lack of lore lets me pretty much convert what I want and it's fine, unlike the really restrictive and slightly boring even without lore autism Astartes.

The fact they have really really good rules was actually something I dislike a bit, since it means that everyone starts scrutinizing my lists for anything remotely good to demand gone before a match. Seriously, a LIGHTNING is OP? YOU HAVE TWO.
REEEEEEEE!!!!

OK, rant over. Will never catch me being sorry about gibbing Primarchs with Destructors or Spartans with Footlites, though, given that every match is Spartan Deathstar apart from DGbro who doesn't have or need one.

at what point do you stop neutering your own lists and playing suboptimal choices, when does it become fluffy enough?
sons of heresy podcast faggots whining about Magnus, yet one of the hosts plays Russ, the other plays mechanicum with all the haywire. What a bunch of hypocritical faggots.
No different from those aussie idiots.

>>52723595

Morturg and Decima "survived" in only the most technical sense.

Based on Decima MO, they murdered/jury rigged they way on a warp capable vessel.

>>52722738
>Orks

Would love to see orks fleshed out for 30k with the white scars in a chondax book.

>>52723897
This is something so relative you should be talking to your opponent about it, how cheesy or fluffy you go depends on how much fun you two are having.

>>52723991
No.
Fuck xenos in 30k, this is our comfy human zone

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>>52723934
Decima survived fine, he just went totally REEEEE afterwards, it was Morturg who got massively fucked up and turned into a cyborg zombie pysker Astartes.

Gotta love the Grand Theft Magos, I think he should have an ability that lets him nick enemy vehicles.

Give his axe Haywire, and whenever he CCs a vehicle to death he controls it for a turn remotely before it's autowrecked (doesnt't explode if Superheavy, too). If the enemy shoots it then it concedes VPs as if it was still an enemy unit, so no Price of Failure for the enemy shooting their own Baneblade.

Might make him a little less of a FoC choice only - never seen him taken other than to get his DT macrocarid and then cram him onto an Arvus with the Droplites. The most overkill Suicide Squad in the history of the world, RIP Glaive.

>>52723847
>The fact they have really really good rules was actually something I dislike a bit
It's not hard to make a shit list with mechanicum.

>>52723374
Being that close to assault range of legionaries seems like a bad idea, especially since laslocks are assault 1, so even with S5, you'll lose shoot-outs with rapid firing legionaries too.

>>52724182
True, good advice.

>>52722724
That just means you can use anyones upgrade kit... go. nuts.

>>52717268
What about Arkhan Land's Raider?
>heavier armor than a Spartan
>Hover
>secret armor from martian vaults i.e living metal
>energy shield
>carries squads of sisters, Custodes and Contemptor at once
>quad lascannon sponsons
>quad volkite culvern turrent with auto tracking
>Comes with Land, space monkey and his shoulder mounted atomic machinegun

>>52724084
It's not that I can't make a bad list, it's that I need one that can deal with Spartan Deathstars, the UMtwat's Leviathan Dread and many many 2W termies without taking stuff that's considered too good, and that's quite a lot since I'm the only Mech player and I'm new, so everyone has been going by internet bitching about Mech so far. So far it's no MyrmiDs, Secutarii, Macrocarids, Krios, Castellax, Arlatax or Vulturax, none of which I have yet anyway because I'm a poorish Reductor player. My Lightning fighter was apparently suspicious despite the Spartans everywhere.

>>52724281
Venomous space monkey don't forget. One poisoned attack per turn I imagine.

I liked that in the book, it kind of speaks to the 30k humanity's mindset that they can't conceive of a species NOT have some sort of hideous in-built weapon to kill it's prey/enemies.

>>52724281
>carries squads of sisters, Custodes and Contemptor at once


NO, if that's not a Loyalist Mechanicum Taghmata/Reductor Lord of War there will be a thick mix of salt and blood, because we have no characters worth a damn yet aside from Decima. You can have the Emprah and your stolen Titans and one Regiment's worth of slightly better guns and like them :)

Also, shoulder-mounted atomic machinegun? What is that, how badass is it compared to the description and where can I get one to three thousand.

>>52723809
>>52723672
Try to see it from a more macro perspective, if the hobby is niche and becoming ever more so the value of each person who participates in said hobby increases.

The rate of new tabletop gamers is low enough and with a high enough long term retention that you see individuals with polarizing characteristics.

Armor Autists, Thunder Warrior Fags, new blood that buys recasts, old blood that live in houses and have families.

>>52724029
>implying Angron wasn't a blud Axe Kommando in disguise

>>52724398
That's the development team's job.

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>>52724372
>One of these weapons – quite possibly the delightful capstone of his armoury thus far – was a bulky sidearm with a curious array of focusing lenses, rotating magnetic vanes, spiralling accelerator coils and the capacity to spit solid micro-atomic rounds the size of a child’s fingertip. He’d re-engineered the weapon with aural dampeners to offset how horrendously loud it was when fired, then attached it to a mounting fixed to his shoulder so he could carry his favourite war relic around without needing to bear it at his hip or in his robes like some tediously self-aware gunslinger out to impress his lessers with a martial aspect.
As a final touch he’d slaved the harness to his hind-thoughts, so once the weapon was activated by a thought command it would then follow every tilt and turn of his head, aiming wherever he looked.
Yes, he considered himself a man of peace, even though he possessed a firearm capable of weaponised nuclear fission every time it fired.

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Are melta support squads even worth it? With armoured ceramite around, a plasma squad seems more worth it and packs a bit more firepower.

Do anyone run melta dudes?

>>52724398
>Thunder Warrior Fags

wat.

How can there be thunderwarrior fags? They barely exist in the fluff.

>>52724498
Not really. If meltaguns were a 10 pts upgrade maybe, but even then. Meltagun support squad's job is just too specific, and when armoured ceramite makes that job impossible they just become kinda worse plasmaguns.

That said I do really like my meltaguns on sniper veterans. Chance to snipe characters out of units with ID, makes contemptors think twice about getting near them, and can be fired before charging.

>>52724489
That's amazing. My Magos Reductor is also a Magos Dominus in my Landite 40k Mechanicus, so he's getting a shoulder gun.

What would the stats on that be? Some kind of Stubcarbine that shoots mini-meltabombs?

S6 AP1 Armourbane 18" Assault 3 Rapid-Tracking?

>>52724547
Not according to the Thunder Warrior Fags. If they are to be believed then there are whole companies worth of Thunder Warriors that either still exist or have been made by a few Thunder Warriors that escaped the cull.

>>52724590
That's what I thought, I'm building a plasma squad next then.

Mhm the melta sniper vet idea is sound, I never thought about that before.

>>52723991
Just use the militia list with abhuman helots, Feral warriors and augmented weapon grenadier squads.

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>>52724498
What does bending your legs like that do? It looks like he's doing the pee pee dance

>>52717629
>>52717585
Go full retard admech
1 HQ of choice
1 Minimal thallax squad
4 full squads of maxed out peltrasts (80) in a fortification.
Once these go on the board Golden boy will laugh and say he can handle that. Then he will commit a little excretiatus in his panties when you set up the three Thanatars.

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I did it got my first box of mkIII marines my pre heresy emperors children begins

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>>52724618
The falaxy is big enough, woulf play power armour ogryns as them.
After all they are ogrynised humans with hihtened agression that are genetical and mentaly instable.

Seriously,no black carapace or any other utility implants on the beeftruckified body of a human with no help for not getting crazy from war and body horror.

Poor throwaway guys.

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>>52724684
>pre heresy

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>>52724680
He's posing ofc, silly frog

>>52724680
Maybe he is taking a piss, have you thought about that? Marines literally go around exterminating alien races while taking a shit.

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>>52724684
>I did it got my first box of mkIII marines my pre heresy emperors children begins

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>>52724702
did I say it wrong? wait well I plan on doing heresy era im a newfag to horus heresy

>>52724727
>painting an army of models that are only relevant to pre-inter-legionary warfare, when they were killing xenos

Unless of course they're loyalists

Loyalist EC are so fucking boring, can I see a Heresy EC army converted to be Slaaneshi and perverse please?

>>52724372
>>52724489
He would be a Imperial agent of some kind, available to Admech and Talons i would assume.
>>52724361
To be fair the Fabricator General notes that it looks nothing like a real monkey.

>>52724683
If I was doing that it would be 80 Adsecularis ringing a Skyshield with a Lachrimallus Magos, Magos Reductor, a big enginseer squad and then as many Medusae as physically possible. Add Cyber-Occularis to taste, ally in another 100 levies, enjoy busting a huge respawning wall of meat while being shelled with cover-screwing S10 that regenerates to full every round.

How much skub will there be if Cawl reveil himself as renamed Land?

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>>52724774
nah fuck the loyalists my EC will be heresy-era I should have said. id like to slaanesh them but low key as it is the start of the corruption yes? not covered in slaanesh sigils and pink and black like my 40k EC

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>>52724774
>Loyalist EC are so fucking boring,

>>52724498
Combi meltas in a machine killer vet squad with missile launchers is a lot of st9 shots, armored ceramite doesn't really matter as much at that point.

Bonus points for alpha legion mutable tactics tank hunters to up the armor penetration likelihood even further and banestrike ammo to offset not having sniper from the marksmen special rule.

They can blast meqs, teqs, MCs, and vehicles pretty damn well.

>>52724804
If you are spamming medusae add some allied Iron fire Iron warriors to laser guide your artillery.

>>52724281
Don't even play mechanicum and I want Land and his Raider in the game.
I mean, c'mon, HH is effectively a 'historical' game in the system, Land and his personal Raider would be really iconic and fun.

>>52724825

Low key was pretty much no sign though, and after that concert thing they went full smeared in shit, skin grafts, unable to close their mouths chaos.

>>52724873
I guess you are right but I don't want them to be to similar to my 40k children cause then whats the point right?

>>52724834
Would be the best, certainly, but slightly defeats the game. What would the allied detatchment look like? Can you take a Signals as comp HQ?

Master of Signals/Siege Breaker if allowed or basic cent if not, basic tac squad then a big squad of quad-mortars and the 3 spotting Medusae?

>>52724938
Medusae, a tac blob to march up the field, a delegatus so you can take the RoW, and a fast choice just ensure you get an early iron fire counter down.

Why do people hate the plastic HH kits?

I mean I can get 10 MK III from BoP for $28 USD on ebay compared to around $40 for 5 with no weapons from FW.

And are they all bad? The Cataphractii look pretty good and you get a hell of a lot of options with them + can use FW kits with em too.

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>>52725009
just got my first 10 man of mkIII I didn't know people hated it they seem worth it and look good to me

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>>52722738
How viable are Custodes even at 500 or 750? I'd imagine they have neither the shooting nor melee volume to seriously murder marines by the squad, let alone a whole tercio of auxilia.
I mean, yes, they are string and tough, but they'll still need to footslog through enemy fire for several turns.

>>52725009

People hate plastic HH kits because they make the game much more accessible, making easier for a larger number of people to play, increasing the number of lazy casuals who just want to win and half ass their flavor of the month armies with plastics instead of spending years painting resin models and getting lung cancer from working with resin.

>>52725058

Has anyone an 300dpi scan of this picture?

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>>52724982
I completely forgot you needed a Delegatus. Still, I may talk to my friends and see if me, DGbro and IWbro can set something painful up for the next time the two Custodes players try to find themselves some games. They have about 8k between them and one has a Warhound and they tend to show up together, so I'm thinking Traitors vs. Emperor's Guard.

Ironfire we have, Reductor with slightly less boom but aircraft and tarpits enough, DG with numbers and enough tankiness to take the hits at range and about six Knights between us.

That should be a hell of a fight, at least if we can get some shooting lanes set up and nuke the Warhound early before it can dig us out of out fortifications.

>>52725009
Elitism, mostly.
There's also some argument to be made for the tactical squat plastic marines make, but that's down to an aestetic choice.
That said, the plastic contemptor deserves all the hate it gets. It's a incredibly shitty kit and I loathe it.

>>52724804
What is wrong with 80 guys with 18" ignore LoS blast/blind guns that can also infilct 13 rending wounds per turn to custodes at 30"? They might actually acomplish something instead of Adsec which will just slow them down. Peltrasts might actually do some damage.

Sure Custodes squads are one of the few squads that can survive getting singled out by a Thanatar, that is why you bring 3 of them.

Alternately you COULD go Adsec, 2 squads plus a squad of Thallax. that would give you the points to field 9 Riptid.....Er, i mean 9 Thanatars.

>>52724616
micro-atomic sounds more like a blast weapon to me.

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>>52725103
as someone who just started HH with one of the plastic kits from GW I do not plan on going WAAC I always play lore first I actually dont play that much and just love the lore overall. I play eldar aswell before they went cheese and still take tons of aspect warriors over wraiths

>>52725175
Aren't the Ignore Cover IG tank guns fluffed similarly? If so, maybe 18" Assault 3 S5 AP4 Blast Ignore Cover, Blind and Pinning? Basically nail something, they take all the damn tests. Would make it AP3, but then people would complain a lot. It is an Archmagos' personal and probably only ranged weapon besides Machinator Array, though, and he's not exactly Scoria in melee.

>>52724842
It would be expensive as all hell, before the Emperor joined the fight it was essentially covering the retreat to the gates of the Golden Throne by itself.

Of course that could have been due to the deamons being freaked out by suddenly confronting such a massive hunk of flying necrodemis

>>52725009
I don't hate them. Hell, I use em. I just prefer the FW ones because mkIII GW helmets looks goofy in comparison to the FW ones. There's just something not right about them.

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>>52724687
I thought it was interesting they seem to almost be psychic nulls, they were completely unreadable even to a Thousand Sons elite psyker who had no issues reading Custodes.

Why would they need that when even Custodes apparantly don't have it?

Everything else they got was shit-tier compared to Custodes or even Astartes, since they were disposable. Why minds hardened against psychic intrusion?

I know the Maraviglia was after the laer campaign but was it performed before or after istvaan iii?

>>52725265
The ones that we have met were personally shielded against psy intrusion by the Emperor himself. Imagine soul binding but on a non psyker.

>>52725183
I like you anon. Welcome to 30k

>>52725168
Maybe half and half? 40 Adsec can screen a Skyshield reasonably well and won't be so numerous they'll be safe from your guns forever, and then you put the arty on top of the Skyshield and the Peltasts ranked up below it to fire out, since the enemy doesn't care about 5+ cover saves since they all have 5+ invulns anyway. They also have few to no blast weapons, which is handy, aside from those S6 AP6 Torrents which might be a pain if not killed quickly. Solve with Milita Levies between the Peltasts and Adsec, for meatier larger tarpits inside a crispy 4+ shell.

>>52725265
Ursh, the big antagonist nation during the unification wars was more or less run by chaos worshippers and was ruled by a brutal regime of witches/sorcerers. Thunder warriors needed to bring them, and nations like them down.

>>52724687
Look, I don't mind a handfull of Thunder Warriors in scavanged armour allied to some other army. But when the idea an entire army of them, all wearing space marine power armour "Because space marine power armour totally doesn't need a black carapace to function properly you guys", then I start to have issues with the idea.

>>52725009
Elitism.

>>52725265
Maybe that had more to do with the psychosis and other mental trauma the Thunder Warriors suffered from. It seems logical that one can't read somebody's mind when they're out of it.

Then there's also a bit with Astelan from the DA and how parts of his mind can't be read, because when fighting alongside the Emperor sensitive or what had to be kept secret things got locked away by big E himself.

>>52712937
What's the date for the May Open Day?

>>52725392
Also it's hinted that custodes required a fair bit of biomancy to their bodies in addition to the genetic modifications to get them to their final product, which would probably be a no-go if they were nulls or partial nulls.

>>52725399
Thunder Warriors having shitty partially powered suits and fuckheug but crude boltguns is most of the appeal to me.

Turning them into Muhreens: Slightly More Stronk Edition seems boring.

>>52725472
Might be that the Emperor might have a vested interest in being able to psychically manipulate his bodyguards.

Maybe that's why the Thunder Warriors were exterminated the moment they weren't needed to fight psyker-despots on Terra, rather than being shipped off-world and just being allowed to die out from combat attrition. The whole 'the Emperor needed it to be solely his victory' thing seems like a weak excuse, it's not like everyone forgot the Thunder Warriors exist, Taranis is still legendary centuries later.

If the Thunder Warriors turned on him, he always had the Custodes to put them down, but the Custodes are his last line of defence, he can't risk them going rogue and being unable to see it coming by closing their minds.

>>52713012
Why phospex on Medusa.
They already wound everything on twos. Plus they can help with anti tank.
With 20 fucking poison templates for the Grave Wardens you got anti infantry covered.
Its just Phospex Medusa seem to lose a lot of versatility... S10 AP2 large blast is good against everything.
If you want phospex use them quad mortars.

>>52725399
Astelan having a mindshield implanted by the E surely lends credence to [some] Thunder Warriors having something similar. Officers maybe.

Seems logical that the E would have proofed his important men against the mental shit that was floating about during Unification. Astelan was one of the first 5,000 marines, might be a stretch to say they all got the mindshield, but Astelan does say (if we can believe him) that he was promoted by the Emperor, so maybe as part of that he got the mindshield when given command rank.

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>>52725332
T-Thank you S-Senpai

>>52716593
For (You)

Is there some Mechanicum player ?

Do you have pic of your mighty painted beep-boop ?

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Hows this for a Skitals group? Been a long time since I've played but a friend has talked me back in and the Skitarii looked so damn cool that I latched onto them immediately.

Only issue I have is that I would like to have an HQ, it blows my mind that Skitarii don't get a Dominus without throwing in some kinda formation...

>>52722063
I'm gonna go for:

>Balthasar gold base
>wash agrax
>drybrush vallejo brass
>lighter drybrush mithril silver
>details like the lightnings on the chest: Silver

to get a coppery gold theme, once my delivery will arrive though the fucking irish post.

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I want to do Custodes! The models are just too damn sexy. List below to make sure I'm not too much of a waacfag.

Also, has somebody done Custodes swords as silver with a red shading? I like the idea and I could be sworn I saw it here

List (3000 points):
>Tribune: Digital Weapons, Cyber-Familiar, Paragon Spear

>Terminators: 4 guys, adrathic destructors
>Terminators: 4 guys, adrathic destructors
>hetaeron guard: 4 guys, shields, paragon blades
>Achillus Terminators: dreadspear

>Sentinel Guard: Coronus Carrier, 5 Guys
>Sentinel Guard: Coronus Carrier, 5 Guys

>Caladius Grav-Tank: Heavy Blaze Cannon
>Caladius Grav-Tank: Heavy Blaze Cannon.

Maybe swap the Dreadnought/4th hetaeron for three of those grav-Attack Speeders? Could be fun.

>>52726231
You don't need all the Alpha's toys, they're not worth it aside from maybe a Conversion Field for the one in the Plasma squad to try and deny Slay the Warlord from some random Heavy Bolters. You want Arc Rifles instead of Arquebi on all the Rangers, preferably two per unit, and every Skitarii squad needs an Omnispex, no exceptions. Lose the Conversion field and then the extra stubbers if you have to, cover reduction is excellent. Otherwise excellent list, it's just the sniper rifles are a bit of a waste due to being very unreliable and expensive as opposed to Arc.

>>52726231
Wrong bread, friend anon. You'll want the 40k general.

>>52725339
Remember that if they are sitting in a fort the Peltasts can use hazard protocols so they are BS5 and snapshot at BS2, shield mean shooting is -1S and they reroll saves of 1 so they are pretty hard to dig out.

Don't forget their blind barrage ability. Instead of militia, how about Ogryns or beepboops that you can give shrouded to? Custodes are going to (try) to charge you no matter what, a fuck ton of peltasts lets you protect your shield unit and sinceboth haves a 18" range if you are lucky you can hit them with 40-60 ignis blaze shots if they hide out of LOS. Also can give a nearby peltast unit a+2 cover save.

Are there any reasonably priced beepboops that melee with S10? S10 effectively doubles a units HtH ability against T5 2W. Alternately, is there a Black shield option that involves S5 and a bunch of guys with powerfists?

Remember that with 4 units firing ignis blaze and it being a 3 inch blast (80 fucking templates!) statistically you will probably be able to blind every single damn enemy model (even I5 models) within 18 inches. At that point a guardsman with a power spork will make a Custodes shit himself in terror, throne help them if it is Castallax or Ogryns about to make some gold sprinkled burger.

Also if they use SoS they will get wiped out the instant a Peltast unit can open fire on them.

>>52726429
>Drop the arquebi
Damn that blows, they're the coolest looking thing in the army! But I can see where you are coming from with that and the alpha's.

>>52726453
Oh shit, my bad.

Thank you anyway Anon who dropped some advice. I'll give the list a work over and drop it in the right thread.

>>52726477
80 peltast hammershots vs Custodes:
54 normal hits: 36 wounds +2 save= 6 wounds inflicted
13 rending hits 13 wounds inflicted +5 save=8 wounds inflicted

8+6=14 wounds=7 dead Custodes. That is 1/2 to 1/3 his army. Add some AA, AT and a tough HtH unit and you are golden, them not so much anymore. At the very least they can't just charge at you without getting shot to shit, you can build tactics around attacking their transports and keeping them at range, try to do psych games with your opponent by reminding him that if he fucks up and gets ignis blazed the most basic assault unit will wreak his dudes.

Which traitor legion has the best loyalists and why is it Iron Warriors?

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>>52727144
Word Bearers

Because there were NONE, ''''''loyalist''''' SCUM

>>52727144
Because of kyr valen

>>52727166
>Narek of the Word
>Orphans of Betrayal

>>52714916
From the children of water thieves.

>>52727291
>john grammaticus perpetual plotline

Awful

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>Shit Eaters

>>52727722
>nailsVSredrage.jpg

Amit ftw

I have a deep need for the heavy Custodes dread. To know what it does, to own the model.

That and the Contemptors are the entire reason I'm even getting into the faction.

>>52725265
I'm inclined to believe that because the process of their creation was heavily flawed, and because their sheer state of being put incredible stresses on their body mind and soul, they were beyond batshit insane. The most puritan SM looks like a buddhist next to one, because of this, they lacked higher thought processes that most people have, and were unreadable, purely because their was nothing to read.

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Making decent progress on the Coronus. These things take a ton of paint.

>>52725392
How did an entire nation of Chaos worshippers not fuck Terra up with daemons? Small cults have doomed entire planets by themselves.

>>52728334
Because small cults have no idea what they're doing and are constantly fighting against an incredibly oppressive enemy force. Ursh was a stable society that had existed for generations and didn't need to hide itself from the police.

>>52728334
They wern't explicit, organised cultists.
They were techno-barbarians, farmers, religious sects, some chaos oriented, some harmless.
Mostly they just in-fought, and subsequently nothing got done.

>>52728334
Didn't it take like from M29 to M30 for the Emperor to conquer Terra? And several of those nations that were around were still considered allies and not vassals even when Horus rebelled. Terra was a terrifying place, even without Ursh summoning plague demons to aid their armies.

Did all of first 5000 marines join DA or they spread out?

>>52727722
That hat looks like an Ultramarine Omega. A Khornate UM. Also
>ArKhârn

>>52729198
All DA. The First. Astartes before Legiones.

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Nearly done.

>>52721154
They generally avoid NMM - gotta sell metallic paints, after all - but yes, plenty of wet blending and glazing. There is a style they're required to stick to even if they would use a different in their personal hobby life.

>>52724825
Sounds good, and "low key" is where the rules and model range currently are for the EC in 30k. The closest they are to Chaos right now is the Kakophoni - the early noise marines.

My guess is that the FW black book that introduces the White Scars (in ~2 years or so) will give us increasingly warped Emperor's Children. (You'll definitely want to read The Path of Heaven.)

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>>52724029
Xenos will run amok once more!

>>52731278
Stop anon, I'm already worried enough about demons being added to the game.