Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52695655
My older character is a 30 year old Christmas Cake

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PUELLA LIBRAM GREENTEXT: TECHNICALLY SESSION 1

Lots to cover this time, because there was out of session IC during the week to cover Sigmund joining and the party meeting up!

>Cashmere and Gloriana get off the ship with the dead captain
>Follow rumors to a very seedy tavern called the Inn Between
>The grizzly Sigmund is also coincidentally here, drinking and flirting
>Gloriana has absolutely zero subtlety after being told to keep a low profile
>Cashmere and Gloriana get hit on by a local noble, boasting about his family's improved mines and clearly wanting to get in their pants
>Meanwhile, a redhead waitress offers Sigmund a 'reward' if he breaks up a fight in the bar
>He's stuck in unarmed combat with two thugs, until it gets broken up by the huge half troll matron arriving
>The thugs were related to the noble, and they're all sent off. The noble asks Cashmere and Gloriana to follow but Cashmere gives him a cold rejection.
>Overhearing that Sigmund is a Nightwalker, they invite him back to their table, and Cashmere offers healing
>Gloriana says Cashmere's healing made her sick last time, Cashmere huffs and says that's normal because of the miasma and all magic healing has that disadvantage--
>Gloriana heals Sigmund, corruption-free. Cashmere is rekt.
>The waitress also notices and pulls Gloriana upstairs to beg her to heal the madness from her father, since Gloriana has the gift to cure corruption
>Gloriana turns on the charm and and comforts waitress with a pure hug
>Meanwhile, Cashmere and Sigmund are alone at the table. She awkwardly tries to probe into his background and character
>It develops into an tense verbal standoff of city girl vs country bumpkin, quips being traded like fire, and somewhere along the way Sigmund signs himself onto the party to prove his point
>Just at the peak of the tension, Gloriana arrives to interrupt and defuse the hostility!
>Sigmund probably won though
>The party agrees to visit the Martel Mines to heal the waitress' father...

>>52695691
>They make their way to the mines, Sigmund is uncomfortable because they dressed him up in smart clothes and combed his hair
>Gloriana cure the waitress' crazed father and donates 5 gold to them to have a good life
>But footsteps approach from outside - it's Lysander!
>He tells them of trolls in the mines, which spurs the party - especially Gloriana - into action
>Outside, they see a strange creature in the distance, howling to the moon and a cross between minotaur, displacer beast and manticore.
>They try and avoid conflict, heading to the mine, and are about to argue with the guard when they're shot down by crystal spikes from the beast 150ft away
>The group tries to engage, but next volley instantly downs Lysander and wounds Gloriana, so the party decides to bail for the mines as Sigmund covers them
>In the mine, they heal up and decide to go deeper, since come tomorrow the Martel guards will lock down the mine, this may be their only chance to investigate
>This happens
>>52693598
>The hawk's name is Worchestershire
>Eventually they find the trolls, though!
>Behind them is a shivering naked clown
>Cashmere is only saved from becoming mincemeat by two trolls rolling nat 3s
>Lysander punches a hole in one of them with lightning
>Cashmere pulls her dress up and rubs Sigmund's rifle on her thighhighs to enchant it with Bane
>With their powers combined, they shoot down the last troll and scare the third off
>They rush to Bonbon for post-LOGS healing

Reposted from last thread in case interested anon is still around.
>>52695479
The tl;dr version then
>Character is a former slave
>Was used for lots of different things, including sex and breeding
>Got over the worst of his trauma, but still flinches at the noise and sight of chains and sleeps with his back to the wall, away from any doors
Honestly, the backstory is a lot more dark every time I look over it. I'd really love the chance to move the character away from that.

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>>52695703
>He tells them of trolls in the mines, which spurs the party - especially Gloriana - into action
>especially Gloriana

>>52695717
Why contain it? Make it MORE excessive and sexually dark, Anon.

>>52695752
Sad thing is Gloriana failed every attack roll she made that fight
All two of them

>>52695767
I've considered it.
Racial alter self opens a lot of doors, after all. How else would he get the idea to use it to alter his sex?

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So what would /pfg/ consider to be a good, memetic Starfinder campaign?

>>52695818
Eclipse Phase-tier transhumanism, with a lot more thought put into having the world make more sense.

>>52695818
>the PC's did Roswell

>>52695818
Helping a good drow daughter succeed her evil mother's rule of a massive asteroid city. To do this, they must travel the galaxy, destroy her allies, while recruiting their own, in preparation for the final showdown.

In the end, they were bamboozled, the daughter is no better than the mother, but the daughter is no fool and does her best to not make the players an enemy.

>>52695717
You know, you could also arrange for that wrestling match, win, be the one tie her up, and then carry her around over your shoulder while she's still half-naked from grappling as your impromptu penalty for losing.

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>>52695832
What do you think doesn't make sense, Anon?

>>52695843
>Futurama the Campaign

>>52695875
That's a good campaign right there, I'll be honest. Gets the PCs moving towards goals right off the port.

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>>52695703
>Cashmere pulls her dress up and rubs Sigmund's rifle on her thighhighs to enchant it with Bane

>>52695818
Steaking of starfinder, anyone have the pdf yet? Will it also be supported by the trove?

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>>52695886
Anon. Plz. Anon stahp.
I've already considered that too.

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>>52695818
A nobody suddenly inherits captaincy of a pirate starship from a missing parent, and has to scramble to recruit a crew and try to learn the ins and outs of the business before that missing parent's old enemies come after them.

Basically just the plot to Miniskirt Space Pirates, but more dramatic

>>52695907
>anyone have the pdf yet?

It's not even out until August!

>>52695903
While it's not a mechanical requirement for Silksworn, it's being flavored that Cashmere has to touch or activate the relevant fancy clothes she's wearing to use her spells or focus powers.

I'm sure she's glad transmutation is footwear and that her fiat'd conjuration panties give her no melee touch abilities

>>52695909
Don't worry, I'm sure she'll take the opportunity to complain about your knots being subpar until you use it as a reason to gag her, after which she might continue squirming until you use a firm grip on her red hair to make her hold still.

>>52695966
But the panties are so cute~
She should show them off more!

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>>52695932
Reminds me of Traveller campaigns. Someone inherits a crew and needs to get somewhere. A group of different strangers also need a ride to that location and have the skills to help the new ship owner get there.

Hilarity ensues.

Can someone redpill me on Avowed? I've heard it's something like Warlock but I'm unsure of all of the changes it's made.

>>52695966
>no melee touch abilities

YET.

>>52695991
>Conjuration touch abilities

Like what?

>>52695818
>Start with normal Pathfinder rules on a backwater planet. Barbarians find a strange "temple" in the hills.
>It's a starship and they find some kind of records letting them know of civilization beyond the stars
>The PCs also set off some kind of signal beacon that brings a big hostile force down on their planet
>They escape with a few family members and friendly NPCs just in time before the enemy fleet blockades their homeworld
>Have to make it to friendly territory
>Decorate the bridge as if it's a throne room, with monster skulls and tapestries and such

>>52696007
Off the top of my head: Touch range dimensional anchor or banishment effect.

>>52696007
healing

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>>52695978
I do believe we've got a plan going.

>>52696012
And this is your campaign theme song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYvzKWNmZbg

>>52695990
Avowed's co-writer here. Basically every Warlock ability is in the Avowed (though buffed in many cases), but they learn more invocations I mean clauses, choose a 4e/5e style pact source and get class features based on that, and gain shapes on a seperate side progression.

>>52696050
Hi!
In April Avowed, was it intended that while Clipping Error turns you incorporeal, incorporeal's base rules only let you sink 5ft into the ground at most, so the clause's secondary effect can only ever boost you ten feet upwards?

>>52696050
Pretty similar to the Warlock I know then. Any idea where they are on a tier list? Purely in relation to combat though.

>>52696089
Tier 2 or 3.

>>52696089
>tier list
>Purely in relation to combat

I don't think tiers mean what you think they mean, anon

>>52693767

https://app.roll20.net/forum/permalink/4911933/

Threw this together quick so I wouldn't run out of time, thoughts?

>>52696089
One, that's not how tiers work. Two, they're decent at combat if you don't invest in the fighting options (and it's VERY possible not to, considering how many out-of-combat things they can choose to do), and great at blasting or single-target elimination (though rarely both on the same character) if you choose to focus on the blasting. Still,10d6 targeting Touch AC out to 60 feet isn't TERRIBLE at 19th level. Not great, but it lets you do more damage than an equally non-combat-focused Alchemist, and that's a good baseline to have.

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>>52696144
Well if I get in the game with you then both of our characters can be manhandled by thick and strong tank hands.

>>52695987

8/10 would see to it that Ms. Spider and her youngest safely arrive to their destination.

>>52696261

MUH FETISH

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>>52696261
...
Thank the Gods I'm not too chivalrous for that.

I need a good "always on" class for a gestalt, prefer some strong defenses or buffs.

>>52695691
>Gloriana heals Sigmund, corruption-free.

>She held his calloused hand. With a fervent thought and a silently mouthed prayer, Gloriana invoked the Dead God's Light, the glorious, celestial power of Fallen Iono. She felt it first in her chest, a swelling, blissful warmth, the memory of her mother's embrace, her grandfather's tales, every meal with her sisters and ride with her brothers, the light of the Sun beaming upon the meadow where she walked with her Father, the glimmers of Iono's rays peaking through the trees where she met with her betrothed before they were wed, her mentor's smile, and the sunrise on the morning she swore her sacred vow. The warmth built, and she felt it coursing through her, towards her outstretched hand, towards the kind stranger. The euphoria was overwhelming, and as the presence flowed from her hand into Sigmund's, she quivered and sighed with contentment, aglow with divine satisfaction as her hand was aglow with Iono's Sacred Light.

>>52696330
hedgewitch!

>>52696144
I think the grammar could use some fixing, but this is a certified cutie. I want to impale her on my dick.

>>52696330

Paladin for something CHA-based? Divine Grace, several immunities, Lay on Hands, and Smite for when the bad guy merits a damn good thrashing?

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>>52696144
>Shortsighted healer qt who just wants to help others
10/10 would knight for.

>>52696144
I want to protect her smile and squeeze her neck

>>52696346
Acceptable, but I'm not familiar with the class, can you lay out some basics for me?

>>52696358
Perhaps doable but I'm not really going for a divine bent... but there's no denying it's a strong option. It'd also have to be an anti paladin.

>>52696359

And she loves Sword lords! Easy shipping here, SHIP IT. Who gets to hold her hand and describe a sunset to her?

>>52696376
build your own midcaster, spheres edition.

pick two "traditions" or (archetypes occasionally) and pick spheres to build up a 2/3 caster-like class. I'm a fan of Herbalism tradition, and entropic sage. or font of inspiration and triple goddess.

http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/hedgewitch

>>52696302
>>52696325
Hah, good to see some like minded individuals. We'll see the results next week. Hopefully all goes well ;3

>>52696420
And if not...well, there's always PMs

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>>52696302
>>52696359
Mah knigghas.

>>52696325
>>52696359
>>52696462

What if she's romanced by an at-first chivalrous knight, only for him to turn out to be a sadistic anti-paladin? This is definitely my fetish.

>>52696428
Last case scenario. If it comes down to it.

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>all these people applying to overlewd with humans
But why?

>>52696475
Only antipaladin in blingmaker's a chick.
>inb4 we see a surge of like a dozen grapple-focused antipaladins

>>52696507
My money's on "wanna bang the hot monstergirls"

>>52696507
I kinda want to apply as a Big Dick Lizard, personally.

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>>52696522
But why would you do that when you can BE the hot monstergirl?

>>52696554
So it's going to either be
>GM has antipaladins bang the party of hot monstergirls
or
>GM runs hot monster girls for a party of antipaladins to bang

Out of curiosity, does anyone know a way to make counter-attacks, probably through AoO, when an opponent misses you in melee?

>>52696554
Even better, be the hot monstergirl that bangs other hot monstergirls.

>>52696554
One of us, one of us, one of us!

>>52696573
W R O N G
R
O
N
G

The monstergirls rule over the antipaladins and kobolds and shit, but >>52696586 is where the lewd's at.

>>52696573
>>52696586
>>52696590
We might all be wrong.
Anybody got the 411 on the GM's magical realm?

>>52696507
When you're level 1 AND gestalt, that bonus feat can make all the difference between having fun and 'your full build doesn't come online for one and a half months'

>>52696604
It's Maximum Sleep.

>>52696607
But it misses the whole point
Shit most of the apps aren't even Evil, it's just Lawfags.

>>52696607
Yeah, I had the option to go human and make the build come online, but I said "fuck it" and went with the race I wanted to play as. I'll just have to wait till level 3...

>>52696621
...and?
It's not exactly like we know his deal as well as, say, SwimmingEagle.

>>52696388

Stanislaw and Gregori both seem like they're lined up to be swordlords.

WWW's app time is almost up!

I need my underwear status report!

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>>52696621
H..hey, I'm evil alright and not lawful! That counts? Right...?

Out of curiosity, if Paladins are supposed to uphold the laws of their deity, why doesn't their alignment have to be restricted to whatever their deity is?

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>>52696621
>Shit most of the apps aren't even Evil, it's just Lawfags.
NEW META IS KNIGHT META

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>>52696656
And who was doing knight meta before it was cool?
Shit, he played us like a damn fiddle!

>>52696647
This is going to be the LE party
how the fuck does gestalt even work with monster classes? The maximum level on deathless ghost / wraith is 3 / 4.

>>52696630
Let's look at his track record...
>Slender shonen knightaboo
>Angry bara knightaboo
>Wrestling heel knightaboo
>Bara dragon bancho
>Creepy rapist wizard
Granted he rarely puts any lewd at all into his apps, but still.

>>52696697
Well, if I'm in it not everyone will be LE. That being said, it would work like multi-class gestalt. Once you finish leveling one up lets say Wraith at level 4, then at 5th level you take a normal class as a level 1 class.

>>52696716
Yeah that's what I thought, sounds so fucked though
>Wraith 4 / Incanter 5 / Cleric 1
T-t-triple class dorifting!

>>52696697
>>52696732
>ghosts
Is that even balanced with 25 PB? Incorporeal undeads only have 4 stats instead of 6.

>>52696650
Because they serve Law and Good first, their god second.

>>52696742
Probably not, but it seems we're here to have more fun than the mechanical aspects of the game.

>>52696630
Do we really know any GM's magical realm?
I mean even when someone advertises dragon-girls or monster-girls or whatever, there's no guarantee.

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Why is it hard to find to find quality rat/mice girls?

It's easier to find the furry art and I'm okay with that though I think is this crazy sexnazium game if some rando GM would be okay with furries.

>>52696831
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtHugtXVWlI

>>52696742
shhhhhhhhh

>>52696840
The new Raprat looks great

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>>52696860

>>52696697
DSP monster classes literally work exactly the same as normal classes. The ONLY extra requirement is that you have to take the first level in your monster class at level 1.

>>52696072
Sorry about that. No, the intention is that you sink at the maximum fall speed possible. Our bad, we should be able to put up an updated PDF.

>>52696831
SMASH THE R@T

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What sort of build would you make for a gnoll for Overlewd?

>>52696621
Okay, I'm actually curious now. What do you know that we don't?
Is it literally just monstergirls? Is that all?

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>>52696878
SPLAT
THE
RAT

>>52696890
>What do you know that we don't?
nothing.

>>52696878
no ron

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>>52696886
One where you take a hard, long rod into your mouth and pull the fucking trigger.

MAGIC SIDE (Alternating Tuesday Evenings 7pm Eastern to 10-11PM Eastern)
Yukiko as THE PRINCESS
Blossom Hearthschilde as THE MEIDO
Aoife as ZA BEASTO
Talia D'Ivores as THE MAGICIAN

SCIENCE SIDE (Alternating Sunday Afternoons 2pm Eastern to 5-6PM Eastern)
10-21 "Rio Eliyan" as THE REPLICANT
Gerund C. Legg as THE ENGINEER
Risette Kristophe as THE INHERITOR
Zokat as THE EXPERIMENT

>>52696886
>Google Digger webcomic
>Read in its entirely
>Use that as the basis for your character

I sort of want to run a PoW only game that is literally SoA where you're all trapped in a MMO.

>>52696959
>using SAO
>not using Log Horizon

TRY AGAIN

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>>52696970
>TRY AGAIN
FIRE!

>>52696970
Because Log Horizon has casters and /pfg/ is too retarded for petty politics.

>>52696983
Log Horizon politics was shallow shit anyway

>>52696959
Expect your players to immediately point out the many, many huge holes in the premise of SAO.

>>52696990
He can just run it for facebook retards

>>52696989
Yeah and I still think /pfg/ is too dumb for it. Last time I tried to run a politics game on /tg/ the players couldn't even outmaneuver the first petty baron who wanted to discredit them.

>>52696999
That's what he's doing, he posted the idea on /pfg/ after all.

>>52697000
YOU
YOU'RE POLITICSFAG
FUCK YOU
YOU BAILED ON US

>>52696990
Work around them then.
>Play up the lethality and horror of the situation
>Set it up as basically a post-apocalypse scenario with player-killers as raiders
>Keep the players human rather than letting them make mary sue characters that never lose

>>52696990
I meant more trapped in an MMO with sword magic. SOA's plot is butt fuck retarded.

>>52697003
I thought about running it but realized my schedule wouldn't allow. Also P5 came out. My back log keeps getting longer because it, the new Nier, and Yakuza 0 are on my list.

>>52697024
*screams helplessly*

>>52696890
I'm pretty sure that he was in the last thread, so...
Muscles. I don't know what else, but musclegirls are a big one.

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I really liked my BitF character and don't really care as much about WWW or Blingmaker as I have a significantly lower change of getting into one of those games.

>>52697057

Which app is yours for the other two games anon? Maybe the thread can help you

>11 Apps in 8 hours
Some of these are even mostly complete.

What the hell.

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>>52697085
Sasuga Ainz-sama.

>>52697085
Lewd is a strong factor, no matter how we pretend to turn our noses up at it.
The slimmest chance to get your e-dick wet/e-pussy filled attracts every lonely anon who needs their ERP fix. Even if the GM says "seriously, don't go overboard with the lewd."

>>52697070
It isn't even that they're lower quality which they are, I just liked the campaign premise for BitF more and thought the character concept for that game was more exciting to roleplay.

>>52697092
I'm not in it for the lewd, I just want muh evil empire.

>>52697092
>PROSTITUTE COUNT: 1

More on this story as it develops.

Is the latest app an actual whore?

>>52697111
>MONSTERGIRL COUNT: 4
>KNIGHT COUNT: 2 (possibly 3)

>>52697111
>>52697125
Four monstergirls and a whore party overthrowing the patriarchy when

>>52697119
Human-looking Kasatha prostitute who stole her boyfriend's guns and ran a gang of all-girl highway robbers.

>>52697136
SOON

>>52697136
>overthrowing
>not slobbering over

>>52697152
Can't it be both? I'm sure some of the patriarchs might prove to be power bottoms

>>52697182
shit's about to get REAL matriarchal

>>52697057
What does bitf have that blingmaker and www doesnt?

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>>52692963
>>52694390

But but but, Aster/Tia and Quinn were the only characters I was following of any games and I was looking forward to living vicariously through their stories. Now where do I get my fix?

>>52697229

Start shipping blingmaker character, it's about to close, memes will reach critical mass. Get on board before it's too late!

>>52697125
What are the current monstergirls?

>>52697250
Well what little stock I had is worthless now so I might as well. I'll probably buy into some of that plantgirl stock too.

>>52697283

Knights and heal sluts have been heating up, any speculation? Monstergirls look to be getting a bump too from Overlewd.

>>52697229
RotJR's end was just a hoax.

>>52696638
PLEASE

>>52697274
>Half-Succubus
>Undine
>Wraith
>Kasatha

>>52697359
Oh. Well I guess I confused it with the latter post somehow like an idiot.

Hurray. Unless it's not a hoax.

>>52696462
Goddamnit I need to know more about Black Knight. What's his history with Shovel? How does he know Donovan?

And speaking of, what's Shovel's history with Polar? What was Shovel doing that led to Shield reaching the Amulet by herself?

I NEED TO KNOW.

>>52697433
What happened to Terrorpin?

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>>52696656
This is a meta I am THOROUGHLY IN SUPPORT OF.

SHOW ME YOUR KNIGHTS

>>52696878
This is a fucking boring meme you know.

>>52697446
Well we know that Polar was taking care of him.

We don't know how he ended up there or where he ended up after, but given it was in the Tower, it's not unreasonable that Polar just found him, so the 'how get there' isn't too mysterious.

>>52697229
Who are you actually, Quinn fan anon? If Quinn's player hasn't met you yet I'm sure she'd want to! She's super friendly

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>>52697447

>>52697474
Quinn has many fans! and this one Has chatted with Quinn's player. She's very nice.

>>52697474
There seem to be at least two of us, but I have only played games privately with friends so I wouldn't be anywhere or anyone. I just latch on to stories and characters I like really, really hard.

>>52697377
Thanks man.

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>>52697447

Hey, anyone got any comments on my Blingmaker app?
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4831395/character-applications/?pageforid=4910919#post-4910919

Summary:
>Viviana is the daughter of a minor Taldan Noble, who fled to Brevoy after some political unpleasantness.
>Grew up helping her parents con/cheat/steal from everyone around them in order to get by, and maintain the semblance of a noble lifestyle.
>Learns to sword fight, in order to have her father's back if a con goes south.
>Pretty damn good at it; they start building up a tiny criminal empire.
>Gets too cocky for her own good, and tries to rob a couple of adventurers.
>Fails, gets beaten within an inch of her life.
>Bailed out by a Don Quixote-esque "knight," who's bearing the crest of a noble house
>Knows the guy is crazy, but also thinks he's a noble, and becomes the knight's "squire" in the hopes of getting closer to the money.
>Spends the next six months sleeping under bridges and tilting at windmills.
>Legitimately comes to admire the man's idealism.
>Turns out he was/is a member of the Empyreal Guardians.
>Old man mortally wounded saving her from ogres.
>Smiles as he dies, just happy she's safe.
>A bit shaken up and confused, she starts the journey home.
>Upon arriving back in New Stetven, she sees someone getting mugged and, without thinking, he leaps to the person's aid, and gets stabbed in the process.
>At that moment, her Soul Candle manifests.
>Lying there, bleeding out in an alley, and staring at the physical manifestation of her soul, she comes to a realization.
>All Viviana really wants to be is a Knight.
>Still bleeding, she limps home, gathers up everything on his father, and turns it into the guard; incriminating herself in the process.
>Flees the city, to find a quest that'll make up for all the shit she's done
>Ends up in the Greenlands, and is mistaken for one of the mercenaries hired to clear out the area. A misconception she has no desire to disabuse.

Would it be possible to make someone who is competent at grappling but uses something else as a main weapon and not gimp both horribly? Assuming PoW allowed.

Like say an archer with a spiked gauntlet, or an axe thrower that starts suplexing people after he runs out of axes, or someone who uses a trip weapon and occasionally follows up with a grapple and uses bite attacks.

Asking again. Is there any class that gets magic item crafting but not outright spellcasting that isn't an Aegis or Mystic?

>>52697628
Yes. It's called taking Improved Grapple and Greater Grapple.

And no, you shouldn't actually do that, nor should you build your character around the slim chance that you'll get to bang the Blingmaker girls with a choking fetish.

>>52697664
Vizier with Path of the Crafter, Avowed with the Tinker archetype.

>>52697668
Wasn't actually going to sign up for those, I just think grappling looks fun and the idea of an archer pummeling some warrior's face in with a gauntlet that has razor blades welded to it sounds amazing to me. Also since I said bite attacks you should have assumed Overlewd probably, though I won't be signing up for that either.

>>52697511
But anon! Why don't you become her friend and maybe even play with her?

>>52697672
That seems like such a bizarre archetype for Avowed to get.

>>52697722
It's because 3.5e's Warlock had inexplicable item crafting, too. Baking it into the main class would have been even odder (seriously, why the hell did Warlocks get that), so we opted to make it an archetype.

>>52697672
And there's nothing else I take it? Shit.

>>52697780
Probably more, those are just the ones I can name off the top of my head.

>when making Golems and shit seems cool as fuck but then you realize it's a huge waste of money with little return on your investment.

>>52697700
Because I'm a double triple faggot, I think. I just stick to my own group because everyone else is scary. Maybe I'll try something eventually.

>>52697754
3.5e's warlock was also interesting and fun. I note you didn't bake that into the class either, is that also coming as an archetype?

>>52698081
As every single 3.5e option the Warlock has is available to the Avowed, I can assume you have issues with the many options available for character customization, the increased power of most of its abilities, and the larger number of abilities learned. As a result, I'd recommend you ask your DM to allow Complete Warrior's Samurai, which should fit your tastes very well.

>>52698081
Shut the fuck up, Rory

>>52697960
Dbag dms that steal your stuff or attack you at night don't like your immortal, sleepless guardian always watching your back.

>>52698081
>3.5 Warlock
>Interesting
>Fun
>Good

>>52698139
I mean constructs are easy as fuck to kill by the time you can make them most of the time unless you cheese out animated objects, which is lame.

>>52698129
>the increased power of most of its abilities
Not him, but to be honest, yes. The number of times you guys have gone 'whoops, guess that was gamebreakingly strong too' and had to nerf out entire builds is ridiculous. You shouldn't be starting with your numbers set to maximum and tuning down, you should be starting with your numbers low and turning them up. That's just basic game design.

And seeing you snipe at your customers like a child because they don't love it doesn't inspire courage in it, either

>Tentacle monster app
WWW is definitely going to be lewd af

>>52697960
Spheres can do it! Enhancement's animated objects are great! And fun! And cool!

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>>52698185
>animated objects
No those are just kinda lame and silly looking. Also not permanent. I generally envision golem's and robots when I think construct as opposed to Yensid's dancing brooms.

Honestly constructs will never be a thing when undead are ridiculously cheaper and actually useful.

>>52698204
You know nothing stops you from making your animated objects humanoid and golemny, right? And yeah, they can totally be permanent, that's what Bestow Life is for. I did exactly what you're trying to do, man. Golemancer.

>>52698174
You're right. That was unprofessional of me, and I'll avoid doing so in the future.
That said, we don't start with our numbers set to maximum. Aether Channel's damage was overtuned because we forgot to account for non-numerical weapon enhancement bonuses. (Forrest doesn't use them in her builds.) Self Pact was overtuned because Monk's armor class bonus and Paladin's save bonus were not believed to be overtly powerful, and we hadn't considered that the Avowed was able to use a PRIMARY attribute for those abilities rather than the secondary/tertiary the Monk and Paladin do.

Our intention has always been to aim low and tune them up. Self Pact and Aether Channel were overtuned because we missed certain variables. They have now been rectified.

>>52698235
Post a picture of your tits

What kind of benefits would you give to a char that can move at 1000 kmph?

>>52698216
>You may spend a spell point to enhance an object, bestowing movement and a semblance of life.
>all of the examples given
The obvious intent is that animated objects are just regular items that just float around and attack stuff from my understanding, and are not humanoid.

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>>52698244
Trip off, because this isn't business.

>>52698251
"The chips of stone and splinters of wood form what appears to be eyes a nose and angry eyebrows"

Was that so hard?

>>52698251
Wrong post meant to reply to
>>52698230

Also Bestow Life is an advanced talent(which is almost never available) that also turns the object into a magical beast for bizarre reason.

>>52698235
Personally, my problem with the Avowed is that it does everything. You could literally have a party of nothing but Avowed, and be as good or better at every traditional role than any of the core classes. That's absurd flexibility, and it doesn't give anything up for it. When someone asks "what does this class do", the earnest answer should not be "everything".

>>52698272
Still just an object floating around and not a humanoid, m8. That might work for you but it doesn't suit my purposes. The concept just doesn't work in PF.

>>52698251
>>52698273

Hey. Hey idiot. You know what a golem body that's not alive is? Or a robot that's not powered on? An object. Fucking animate it.

>advanced talents are almost never available
Nice meme.

>>52698279
You can almost say the same thing about the alchemist or any spheres of power class.

>>52698290
>You know what a golem body that's not alive is? Or a robot that's not powered on? An object.
No they're still a constructs. Just not active. A human body doesn't suddenly become a corpse because it falls asleep does it?
>advanced talents are almost never available
Except that's legitimately true, and even if you did it stops being a construct and becomes a magical beast.

>>52698314
>golem that's not alive
>somehow the same as a sleeping human in any way
Do you know what not alive means? Or do you still think your dog moved to a farm upstate when you were twelve?

>>52698279
Your opinion has been noted, but a major design goal of the Avowed has always been to function in a variety of roles depending on build. The Warlock in 3.5e never quite has a defined party role - a broad 'utility caster/melee striker/battlefield control limited by slots'.

As the base concept of the Avowed ("I have made a pact with an entity or concept which empowers me") does not inherently imply a party role, we thought it was best not to limit it. Perhaps your Fiend-pact Avowed is a heavily-armored dark knight, a subtle and mysterious seductress, or a roaring conflagration of barely-restrained hellfire. Certain pacts are pushed towards certain roles, but a Shadow-pact Avowed can certainly feel like they're contributing as a primary striker should they choose to build around that.

Ultimately, we're inclined to disagree - the Avowed cannot do everything, but it can do any ONE thing. And that's a key difference.

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Realistically, how many times did ANY player inside /pfg/ use Craft Magic Arms and Armor to actually craft?

I know that Scribe Scroll and Brew Potions are some favorites, with Craft Wondrous Item being the shining child in "big" craft talents, but i am wondering about this specific one.

>>52696732
>>52696742
Well, there's at least one character who can molest the ghost.
She won't get to play though.

>>52698349
For our game purposes it is. A better statement would be creature.

An inactive Golem is still a creature just like a sleeping human is still a creature.

>>52696697
>This is going to be the LE party
May as well not even apply then.

>>52698355
I use Craft Rings, Rods, Wondrous Items, and Arms & Armor all the time.

Sometimes not even with a caster in the latter two cases.

>>52698370
Hey, that's cool. Notice how I didn't fucking SAY inactive? And if I'd meant inactive, I would've put goddamn fucking inactive?

NOT ALIVE.

INANIMATE.

DEAD METAL IN THE SHAPE OF A MAN.

THE PHASE IN A GOLEM'S LIFE CYCLE BEFORE IT HAS BEEN IMBUED WITH ANIMATING ENERGY, WHICH IS THE THING YOU ARE ABOUT TO DO TO IT.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT, HOW RETARDED ARE YOU?

>>52698279

So it's a spellcaster?

>>52698370
If inanimate golems are creatures, then how do you create golems? According to you, once you finish building it, it just suddenly becomes a creature, and you can't animate creatures, after all.

>>52698385
Yes, a golem is just an object before being a golem. But when you turn it into a golem it turns into a golem and not an animated objects, because animated objects are intended to be their own separate things and not golems.

I don't get why you're sperging out so much when I say "no animated objects are not what I'm looking for conceptually for X, Y, and Z reasons". Like Jesus, calm down.

>>52698405
"I don't want to animate man-shaped robots, I want to animate man-shaped robots!"

Jesus christ, dude. Go check into the special school, I'm fucking done.

>>52698396
Because the specific rule saying you can deactivate a construct you create.
>>52698413
Because animated objects aren't man-shaped robots. Pretty much every example given in the game of "animated object" is something like an animated chair, cage, or weapon. The obvious intent behind that category of construct is clear.

>>52698355
Its a cohort tier feat
Wizards and other casters will rarely take it since they wont directly benefit from it but maybe fighters and other martials with bonus feats would.

>>52698413
It's like the difference between weapons and improvised weapons.

One is designed specifically for the purpose, the other is just kind of used to work that way, usually for the sake of convenience or to keep it better hidden.

>>52698425
>how do you create them if you can only animate objects and you claim they're not objects?
>because you can deactivate them!
Literally what? Did you have a stroke, anon?

>>52698359
Are you preemptively saying I'm getting rejected or what

>>52698405
Once you've "killed" a golem, the magic which once powered it goes away and it simply becomes a pile of whatever material it was. It is no longer a golem, it is no longer a creature.

Animate it.

It's the same principle behind why shrink object works on corpses. Once you corpse you are no longer a person, you are an object.

>>52697700
I'd like to do more than just play with her!

>>52698442
Yes

>>52698405
Your reasons seem to come down to "but they're not *called* golems!"

>>52698454
I bet you would, you filthy slut. You probably want to hold her hand, cuddle in her bed, maybe even take her out for a nice dinner!

>>52698460
And they don't work like golem's
And the don't look like golems

And by every example given in the book, it is clear that they are not supposed to BE golem's.

Animated objects are obviously intended to be things like moving chairs and brooms.

>>52698460
It's not like his whole problem couldn't be solved by craft (basketweaving) anyways.

>>52698471
Have you looked into the Empath Medium? Astral Constructs are essentially the same thing as golems [humanoid constructs], and the Empath can have a dozen or more summoned at a time, as long as he binds Obelisk and is mindful of his totem. I used this to devastating effect more than once.

>>52698450
Then you just have a pile of rocks/golem stuff hopping around because that's what animated objects is.

Just like if you used animate object on a corpse, you don't get a zombie. Using animate object on something golem shaped doesn't get you a golem.

>>52698485
Please tell us what "golem" means to you then, because to the rest of us, it means "animate thing in the vague shape of a human", and this entire conversation is painting you as literally insane.

>>52698483
That also doesn't work conceptually for what I'm looking for, even if it is effective. I'm not looking for summons. What I'm looking for is pretty much impossible to do in PF without a busted amount of gold.

>>52698501
>I want golems!
>No, I don't want animated metal, I want golems!
>No, I don't want permanent constructs, I want golems!
>No, I don't want an army of humanoid robots, I want golems!
Anon... What do you think a golem IS?

>>52698499
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/golem/
> it means "animate thing in the vague shape of a human"
We're an agreement then! Guess what! THATS NOT WHAT AN ANIMATED OBJECT IS!

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>Kinetic Knight // Sphere Shaman for Overlewd
>A gnoll girl
>A highly protective gnoll girl

Should I do it, anons?

>>52698513
>No, I don't want permanent constructs
I never said that.
>>No, I don't want an army of humanoid robots
I never said this either. My point of contention is that animated objects are not golems and that animated objects are not humanoids. You're just making shit up now.

>>52698456
O-okay.

>>52698523
holy shit this is the most obvious bait over stop biting

>>52698514
Guys, we'd better tell Paizo that they gotta stop using animated dolls, mannequins, statues, armours, all that shit. It's forbidden now. Animated objects are no longer permitted to be human-shaped. Entire APs will have to be rewritten, but it'll be worth it so this anon doesn't have to realize he's fucking mental.

>>52698548
Please show me an example of a humanoid shaped animated object then because with the exception of statues all the examples given on this page
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/animated-object/
Are not humanoid and Soulbound Dolls, Mannequins, Amrors are an entirely separate category of construct separate from Animated Object.

>>52698566
No. That's not how Pathfinder rules work. Read the page you just linked.

>any object can become animated

Now find me a rule that says "except anything shaped like a human". Otherwise, you can animate human-shaped objects, because it says "any". That's how rules work.

>>52698608
The doesn't make animated objects golems. Also RAI is a thing.

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>>52698566
Carrion Crown has an animated scarecrow

Two arms

Two legs

One head

Looks pretty humanoid to me, anon

>>52698637
What are it's stat's because guess what.
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/scarecrow/
Is this a golem?

Is this an animate object
Is
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/scarecrow/
This
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/animated-object/

>>52698566
So wait, you're trying to tell me I can create a swarm of floating rocks... But I can't put that swarm into the shape of a human, because... reasons?

Seriously think this through for a second.

>>52698654
Wait

Are you telling me your argument literally boils down to "the name is wrong! they don't have the same name!"?

Holy shit you're more autistic than 2hu.

>>52698659
No, that's not what I'm saying and I get the feeling we're arguing two different things.

>>52698671
Yeah, we're arguing sense and you're arguing nonsense.

"You can't cast animate object on a doll, to animate a doll you have to use the ritual that involves sacrificing someone's soul, because I said so."

If I animate a pile of doll parts and then have them assemble themselves into a doll afterwards, what happens?

>>52698668
No.

Golems in the Pathfinder ruleset are their own subset of creature within the category of "Construct" right?

So are Animated Objects, Robots, and a bunch of other miscellaneous creatures that can be created with the "Craft Construct" feat.

I wanted to make golems. Anon said, just use animated objects. I'm arguing that animated objects generally aren't humanoid as the examples given in the books and bestiaries seem to indicate that generally speaking animated objects are just objects that move around while more humanoid/bestial looking constructs are their own separate things. Thusly, animated object doesn't suit my purposes.
>>52698692
I never said you can't cast animated object on a doll. I'm saying the thing you get when you cast animated object on a doll isn't a Golem, it's an animated object in the shape of a doll which would just be a doll that floats around and smacks people in the face. That's not what I'm looking for.

>>52698725
You are a fucking retard

>>52698725
What feature of golems is it that is sticking you here, man? Like.. the spell resistance? Is that what you're after? I just don't understand what's the difference here, except the name of the creature. Are you allergic to refluff?

>>52698522

NO

WE NEED TO PUSH KNIGHTS FOR SUMMERSLAM!

>>52698741
And you're a cock sucking faggot, we all can't be prefect.

>>52698768
Like, how can you even use a keyboard or turn on a computer?
Does the state you live in hire someone that takes care of you?

>>52698725
Let me summarize this entire conversation, so nobody has to read back through this mess:
>I want to do this, but the game doesn't let me.
>It can, if you're creative!
>No, I don't want to be creative, I just want to do it.
>But look, it's super easy!
>I DON'T WANT TO BE CREATIVE, I JUST WANT TO DO IT!

And also some wankery about how you can't animate objects if they're humanoid, followed by backpedalling about how okay maybe you can, but the examples weren't humanoid so you aren't meant to.

>>52698790
>And also some wankery about how you can't animate objects if they're humanoid, followed by backpedalling about how okay maybe you can
I never said that though. I said an animated humanoid object isn't a Golem, and I still stick by that. Pretty much everything else in this conversation, including your little summary is shit you fabricated.

>>52698815
For the third time, anon, what does Golem mean to you? By your own claims, it's not the name, or "is humanoid" or "moves" or "is a construct" or "is a permanent companion". What feature of "Golem" are you actually after, here? What's driving you to argue this for two straight hours?

>>52698442
No, Miao/XS can't play in online games currently. Her schedule's fuxxored.

>>52698832
>By your own claims, it's not the name, or "is humanoid" or "moves" or "is a construct" or "is a permanent companion"
Except I never claimed ANY OF THAT. You're making shit up. I never said Golem's aren't humanoid, aren't constructs, or aren't permanent companions.

>>52698849
You did claim that it wasn't because it wasn't named "golem". Which is the only reason I've bothered this long. Because I'm trying to help you find something that does what you want, you blithering idiot.

And as for the rest of it every time someone points out that you can get that with an option that isn't literally "build a golem out of the bestiary", you say "but that's not a golem".

So for the FOURTH goddamn time, WHAT MAKES A GOLEM A GOLEM, IN YOUR MIND, SO WE CAN FIND YOU A BUILD THAT DOES THAT, FOR FUCKS SAKE.

>>52698470
I want to do all of those things!

>>52698849
You're arguing for the Rules As Written Golem, manual, feat and everything. What we're offering is an identical alternative that proves cheaper, and more easily mass produced. I don't get what the major malfunction is.

>>52698881
If you mean undead, I would like to point out that undead in PF are horrible things that are all super unpleasant if you ever lose control of them - even the mindless ones have a charisma and wisdom score, meaning they are like oozes and vermin - except instead of hunger, they are motivated by their alignment.

Which happens to be evil.

This is a BAD THING.

>>52698874
>You did claim that it wasn't because it wasn't named "golem".
No, I didn't. Animated Objects aren't golem's. I asked for an X and people insisted I use a Y.
>And as for the rest of it every time someone points out that you can get that with an option
Except they haven't with the exception of Medium Astral Construct guy. Everyone else has just insulted and shitposted at me because I don't think a dancing chair is the same thing as a stone/admantine/clockwork humanoid creature.
>>52698881
> What we're offering is an identical alternative that proves cheaper, and more easily mass produced
Except animated objects are not an identical alternative. I'm well aware that animated objects are cheaper and more efficient, but they're not what I'm looking for.

>>52698874
>getting baited this hard for literally two hours
All my sides.

>>52698908
No, we mean pointing at a fucking statue and casting animate object on it to get a creature nearly identical to a golem following you around and smashing shit for you.

>>52698918
I'm not baiting.

>>52698917
Nobody said shit about dancing chairs but you. You know what's a stone/adamantine/clockwork humanoid creature? A fucking animated statue.

And you're still not answering the question. Stop defining what you DON'T want, and tell us what you DO.

How do I make a level 10 sorcerer look and detect as a mundane farmer?

>>52698934
> A fucking animated statue.
It doesn't move like one though. An animated object statue just hops around and smashes into things. It's a petty distinction but an important one to me.

>Reminder
Rory created an obnoxious character and spammed the threat about him until he was a forced meme, leaked ERP logs without the consent of the other party and started a vicious rumor that another popular game was shutting down. And he still has a place in a /pfg/ game and you don't.

>>52698938
>look
Disguise Self/Alter Self
>detect
Magic Aura

>>52698951

He's also an over anxious loser that spends his life, no doubt the NEET life, stressing over every single shitpost about himself. If that's what it takes to get into a game, then good riddance.

>>52698950
Except it literally happens in popular adventure paths. Why, in Rise of the Runelords there's a part where the BBEG casts the spell on a statue of himself, which then proceeds to wield a glaive at your party for a few rounds before it goes inert again because the caster is not wholly alive and presently on another plane

>>52698950
Who says? Surely not the RAW, which states
>mobility and a semblance of life
Or the default fluff, which reads
>this animated cage lurches forward on chain legs
Or fuck, the fact that they can grapple and burrow.
Their limbs move just fine, thanks.

>>52698951
What a waste of space.

>>52698977
That's probably not animate object. NPCs aren't bound by the same rules. Animate objects can't wield weapons, because they're solid.

Does baby cannibalism have a place among elves?

>>52698977
If it can wield a weapon then it's not an animated object as far as I'm aware. He must've used a different spell or something.

>>52696604
>>52696812

It's literally the guy going on about girl abs and bondage.

>>52698951
That's not true, I run like 5 of them. Or, five sessions over 3 games.

>>52699029
>>52699037
The glaive's part of the statue. It resolves as a natural attack.

>>52699064
So he's just bashing the glave into you, not actually swinging a weapon.

>>52699064
That still doesn't mean it moves like a Golem/more articulate construct would. It's just flailing a sharp thing at you.

>>52699070
Which is still indicative of limbs that move around in a semblence of life, as opposed to the dancing chair example made earlier.

>>52699083
I looked it up in the book, and he doesn't make an animated statue.

It's a "variant stone golem".

See? That proves animated statues can't move their limbs, because he had to make a stone golem to do it.

>>52699096
You mean, they typed it as a VARIANT stone golem because perhaps it was a stone statue that was animated to life? Whoddathunk that's what the spell might do?

>>52699139
No, I mean it has all the stats and special attacks of a Stone Golem, and none of those of an animated object.

>>52699034

This isn't Dwarf Fortress, so no.

Isn't Karzoug a bad argument to use one way or the other because he has an ability that is literally "He's a super duper special snowflake that can fuck the rules in the ass"?

>>52699288
Wizard levels? (I'm only semi-kidding.)

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>ITT

>>52699377
Yeah but it's good wholesome family friendly autism. The kind of autism I missed from /pfg/ and I'm personally glad to have back.

>>52698951
The logs thing was pretty gross and terrible but attacking other games just seems petty.

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>>52699411
Oh no doubt. It gives me a nice warm feeling and is so much more preferable to the degeneracy that this thread has so happily jumped into.

Assuming I'm a human and playing Steelfist Commando, what are the best feats or disciplines to take if I want to cleanly rip a child's head off?

Should orc mothers eat their children as response to stress, conserve energy, or upon being attacked by orc-exterminators adventurers so they can escape and produce more babies somewhere else?

>>52699288
I dont think he does. He's just your typical high level wizard who spent lots of downtime building an empire, built a demiplane and got fucked over while he was metaphorically just waking up.

>>52699470
Discworld goblins do that so I don't see why not.

Hivemind how do I make a blowgun useful, especially at later levels?

Vive alchemist, 3rdparty stuff might be used.

>>52699433
To me the worst thing about the aurora situation is the position that it placed auroraplayer in. They would have been well within their rights to demand rory's expulsion from the game but they had to choose between getting some justice for the breech of trust (risking the game becoming stillborn with the loss of a player) and trying to keep the game running smoothly.

>>52699470

It also have the benefit of avoiding endless debates about "what do we do with the orc babies"?

>>52699498
Use it to deal sneak attacks?
Thats pretty much the only fun thing I can think about. Just be an asshole and deal surprsingly high damage with a tiny dart shot out of a reed.

>>52699470

Yes.

I also believe Elves, like deer, should be allowed to reabsorb or abort their children at will in response to fear or famine.

In fact, I would argue that Elves should have twins during times of bounty, and since civilization (especially Elven civilization) is always a time of bounty, Elves should typically have twins or even triplets by default.

Imagine the cultural ramifications of always having a fraternal or identical twin. Maybe this is the norm in Sovyrian and Kyonin's just the weirdo backwater.

>>52698951
>Reminder
Vult started PLD because he got rejected from Dragons 2, which Rory got into

I feel like making a mounted Wizard/Wizard-esque character because I was reminded about memorable was the image of Gandalf atop a white steed

What are some options I can look at? If its possible, I want to get a gryphon at some point

>>52699805

Monstrous Mount explains the prerequisites for a griffin mount!

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Hell's Rebels Group A session 3!

The game started almost an hour late because of technical difficulties and it was mostly one big fight drawn over 4 hours... but it was still pretty fun. Just as a reminder, 2hu couldn't play so Serigala split off the group and started to decipher important documetns we have found. His place was taken by Alphonse, greaser rat with a power to grant us bonus turns. 2hu was still passingly present, but mostly offering commentary.

>the party enters big underground room with old cistern
>cistern is filled with disgusting goo and two lemures, walls are scribbled with ritualistic symbols
>turns out it's a summoning circle and the last part of ritual was the presence of mortal souls
>suddenly portal to hell appears at the bottom of cistern!
>4 additional devils go out of it and there will be more if we don't smash the summoning circle
>Estelle takes position near the edge and preapres an action to teleport to the bottom and attack one of the devils once Sophia jumps down
>Sophia gets closer, crits with her chakram, takes out a lemur and jumps down with her second turn (Alphonse grants additional truns, just a reminder)
>she botches her acrobatics roll and falls down, landing prone covered in noxious goo
>Estelle teleports down anyway and attacks one of the devils instead of the circle which turns out to be a mistake
>Hana buffs because bard
>everything goes to shit

(cont'd)

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>>52699822
>goo prompts two Fort saves and Estelle gets sickened for rest of the encounter
>summoning circle is etched on solid stone and covered with water so it halves weapon AND energy damage and applies hardness
>Estelle has a maneuver for ignoring hardness and damage reduction but lol mystic, it is granted randomly at the very end so her damage is too low to destroy the portal
>demons buff themselves and score like two crits on Estelle, she can't counter because the goo counts as difficult terrain and her counter requires her to make a 5 ft. step
>new devils appear
>she is crited and full-attacked to death, left at exactly -1 HP
>would be worse but Hana helped
>Sophia has to waste actions on getting up, eats AoOs, attacks the circle for over 40 damage but it is still not enough
>Alphonse grants Estelle a turn, as written it allows her to take an action to heal herself with Triage
>33 HP restored
>Blinkling 2: Resurrection
>she gets up, finally smashes the circle
>some teleporting, stiking and kiting with triage and reach later the fight ends
>wtf I hate water now
>I also hate devils
>mystic recovery is crap, pls buff

We made some critical tactical mistakes, like Estelle chosing to attack devils on her first turns rather than prioritizng the circle or Sophia not jumping straight into the center of cistern and instead doing it near the wall and falling down. Hana also did not quite utilize her potential though +4 to hit, damage and AC was a godsend. Estelle also had bad luck with devils critting her but in the end it worked out and was pretty fun even if a little frustrating that we had to resort to RAW shenanigans to save the doggo.

>>52698950
Rory didn't start that rumor, though. The discord screen cap was taken out of context

>>52699805
Phantom steed and describe it as a griffon?

>>52699793
PLD is looking... surprisingly normal.
Was that the real bamboozle?

>>52699850
To be fair, he's literally trying to rape them with a manticore-thing and dealt like 32 damage in one round with it

>>52699857

At range! As long as the manticore isn't charging in it's fine!

>>52699433
Meant to reply to this. Phoneposting, not even once. >>52699833

I can kinda sympathize with the golem guy, but only so far as sharing frustration that the system is janky and doesn't really outline things very well. Animated Objects are an alright base for a construct, but they still hit limitations in how much you can customize them. Construct crafting by and large feels like a minigame of "can I jury rig what I want and get the GM to sign off" if you want to branch out further than the absolute basics.
t. Person who still doesn't get how "make a 0hd construct race and add NPC class levels" would ever get approval

>>52696072
Clipping error?
April avowed?

Did I miss something here?
is it in the trove?

>>52696959
I've had that idea myself but Psionics only and Dot Hack.

>>52695655
Powerlevel anime OP, nice.

>>52698355
My Lorewarden fighter had a thing where he wouldn't use or trust any weapon he didn't make himself.

>>52698450
actually a corpse would be a creature with the "dead" condition. This is probably why necromancy/raisedead/etc isn't the same thing as animateobjects/golemmaking.

>>52700106
>0HD construct race

Anon, ask if you can use the half-construct type. It's 7 RP, gives construct flavor, and the only issue with it is that you can't raise or resurrect them.

>>52700228
Anon, that part isn't an issue of "how do I stat it". It's "how the heck do I price it" and "would any GM actually let me with just Craft Construct".

>>52700157
http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/208753/The-Avowed-April-2017-Edition

Free

>>52699498
You kinda can't, using one is really a matter of personal choice/fluff.

>>52699805
I can't think of anything aside from investing in ranks in Ride and remembering you will need to make concentration checks.

The Mount spell can cover you white steed, Phantom Steed + Fluff or Illusion Magic if your GM is anal can also help.

You might want to consider a small race depending on the game you're in too. Alternatively you could keep a wand of Reduce Person ready.

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>>52697447

>>52700285
Wait, why would they want to be Small? Can't a !Gryphon carry a Medium sized person?

>>52700255
How much is the price for an undead slave? They don't eat, sleep, or breathe, and as far as I know they're just 0HD commoners given the undead template. You could likely base it off the one-time cost for an undead slave, though with a larger price tag. Lemme poke through the books, however...

Craft construct on the PFSRD has a section for homunculi. It's a one time cost of 1k gp to get the alchemist laboratory to make a homunculus, and then 50gp for the materials required to make it. I'd ask your GM if you could fiat a couple of things, and have an agreement set up that would prevent you from wrecking the game with them. Ask if you can make 0HD homonculi using the NPC elite array and NPC class levels, and figure out a price for it. You REALLY need to work with the gm with this one

>>52698922
Oh.

the answer is yes, you can do that, but it isn't a golem, and doesn't have any of the qualities a golem would have. It is an animated object, which has entirely different and seperate qualities.

The main difference is the spell animate object has a description and a separate monster listing. the appearance of an animated object is meaningless except in terms of capabilities that it may be given as part of the spell.

There is even a description specifically for "statue" in the animated object monster entry.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/constructs/animated-object/

>>52699096
You are incorrect. it might not be able to open a closed hand, but they can walk on their legs and move their arms, and possibly fingers if they have an open hand. Otherwise there are a slew of abilities they could not use, such as grab, pull trample, etc.

>>52700342
You could see it in the hirelings, servants and services page if only you had the brains to look for it.

>>52700342
The price for an undead slave is learnign necromancy. If you can't control it you're fucked. They don't follow commands like "follow this person's commands" because they only obey the person who has them under control. By RAW, if you cannot command undead, you cannot control them - they'll ignore your commands and just eat you.

>>52700373
Jokes on you. I keep my undead chained to my chariot. I just need one living slave at the front to keep them going where I want them too.

YOU NEED MYTHIC TO CRAFT A COLOSSUS.

THIS MAKES ME ANGRY.

>>52700360
I'm a bit busy, bruv. I'll take that opportunity the next time I can, though I think Construct Maid Anon is gonna need to figure out something with his DM.

>>52700311
Depending on the game they may be in playing in a dungeon or something that can't accommodate the size of a large creature. Playing a small race and using a medium mount is a common work around.

I suppose another idea is to use the undersized mount feat as well.

>>52700342
Fair enough, I suppose. I had no grand plans for breaking the game, unless blowing cash on a pair/trio of level 5 experts can break something. The sticking point is probably just I need to slap shit together, get it checked, then get a backbone and ask the GM more stuff.

>>52700485
Honestly, you break the game from having a cohort. You don't break the game with a bunch of NPC classed followers.

Additionally, you should give the NPC maids and butlers unique, goofy personalities. Maybe share the results when you're done- homonculi that aren't class features or a huge moneysink would honestly be quite fun to have.

>>52700572
>Honestly, you break the game from having a cohort.

Man fuck you, that's like saying you break the game from having a familiar, animal companion, or special mount.

>>52700670
and Eidolon and any summon/bind spell.

I want a griffon mount! What god should I worship for a griffon mount?

>>52697668
>the Blingmaker girls with a choking fetish

Wha?

>>52700706
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/e-g/figurines-of-wondrous-power/bronze-griffon/

>>52700709

The newest application, the oracle girl obsessed with healing, has a thing for men strangling her while they have sex.

>>52700725

I don't want a toy griffon, I want a REAL griffon! One I have to tame and bond with!

Are there griffons in Brevoy?

>>52700756
But we only know that because the anon mentioned it in the thread. I don't think it was brought up in the app itself.

>>52700774
>moving the goalpost

Manniggafuckuthen

>>52700670
An animal companion doesn't have any class features. A cohort is essentially another spellcaster or buffmonkey on the team. I've never had issues with animal companions and special mounts (save that I don't do pet classes in gestalt games or any game with 4+ players), and familiars have never been an issue. Eidolons can be extremely powerful, and Cohorts are essentially "an extra PC at level-2 for a single feat" that REALLY need to be inspected carefully by a DM in order to not break anything. Most DMs ban Leadership for a reason

>>52700756

It's weird how quickly the original concept gets warped, sort of like broken telephone effect. The original post wasn't specifically choking so much as self inflicted pain I thought.

>>52700821
Also people interrupt things the way they want to.

>>52700821

Yeah, but as >>52700779 said the anon mentioned he specifically liked choking and now suddenly the application is known for that.

It's weird, I tried to mention how making her thing for self-inflicted punishment shouldn't be a backstory point but hey, what can you do.

>>52700801

I didn't move nothing, griffons are cool but I don't want to try and nab one as a curly-haired toymaker!

>>52700894

Being meme'd in the thread probably increases your chances more than actually making a good app, so good for anon I guess.