Pathfinder General /pfg/

Fucking Knife-Ears need to be gassed desu

What the hell is a nightwalker?

Elves obsolete, plant girls are in.

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Here's a more interesting topic.

What's your go-to race when making a cutie awoo, /pfg/?

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Disregard elves, fuck plants.

>>52686000
Witchwolf Skinwalker or Rougarou

>>52686000
Human. Skipping the awoo part.

>>52685940
Why do you ask?

It's a template for PLD that boosts rest recovery in exchange for limiting total magical healing before being incapacitated. To put it mildly

>>52686028
Autistic killjoys belong in /5eg/.

>>52686000
None, because awoos are for degenerates.

>>52686006
>ywn have tender touchy sex with Aoife when the beast suddenly takes over and mating presses you
>ywn have Ebonsprig press her big bulbs against your back and whisper sweet madness into your ears

>>52686046
Where do you think you are?

>>52686052
Anon thats not a mating press anymore if the girl is in charge...

>>52686035
I was just really confused last thread and thought it was a race or class that could some how take on bad shit and do interesting stuff with it. Wasn't sure why I couldn't find it.

Thanks.

>>52686065
>wood grain knot

>>52686065
I have some pictures that would beg to differ, but I can't post them here.

>>52686052

>Against your back
>Not against your chest

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>>52685919

>>52685919
>Want to be Ana in Pathfinder
>Build Alchemist
>Healing bomb and infused ammunition
> I NEED HEALING
>take 1d6 damage
>heal for 3d6

Best healer.

>>52686073
The Nightwalker Template (Subject to tinkering)

For every point of HP magically healed, gain 1 Corruption.
When you gain Corruption and it meets or exceeds your Maximum HP, you must make a Will save, DC {10+Corruption-Max HP}. On a failure, you become incapacitated with madness until after an overnight rest is completed, at which point the EXCESS corruption is removed (Warning, large amounts of expelled corruption have unknown magical effects!). On success, you have the option to initiate a rage as though you were an equivalent level barbarian. When the rage ends, you will be incapacitated with madness for a short period.
Resting for an hour at night is the equivalent of resting the whole night normally. Resting the whole night restores all HP. Resting all day removes all Corruption.
DR 1/Moonsilver (magic)

If you become overwhelmed from a forceful transfer of corruption, a poison held in all bodily fluids much like a disease, Nightwalkers have a chance of absorbing the essence of the source, their bodies transforming into aspects of the other's body. These transformations only manifest at night, melting back into the body under the light of the sun.

You guys think this warrants a level adjustment?

>>52686107

Marsala really is born to suffer, isn't she?

>>52686118
>TFW you roll max damage and minimum healing

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>>52686006
I would post my sexy plants but they're all NSFW.

>tfw /pfg/ starts talking about plantfucking and I have a tab open for the other /pfg/, plantfucking general over in /trash/

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>>52686006
Nah.

>>52686129
Well all of that sounds pretty fucking awesome. I kind of want to steal that.

>>52686186
Cacti are best plants, bless you.

>>52686186
>>52686203
So succulent.

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>>52686160
>/pfg/ also means plant fucking general

I should have noticed this before i made Aoife

This was a huge mistake.

>>52686203
>rotjr has saboten
>sabotender
>cactuar
m-masaka!?!

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>>52686006

>>52686233
"Cactus flower", apparently. Her mama was feeling poetic.

>>52686269
Saboten is just japanese for cactus.

plant fucking was here all along.

>>52686188
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4756375/chargen-rules/?pageforid=4794310#post-4794310

You'll also need that

>>52686065
Yeah, its called amazon position instead.

>>52686233
>>52686292
How long do we figure before one or more of the men are Saboten's customers?

>>52685919
They're the elves from 8-bit theater where it's nothing but treacherous viziers.

>>52684204
Occultist has the most Spells Known of all 6th-level spontaneous casters (Magus and Alchemist technically beat you due to being Prepared, but still), you'll have your niche by virtue of simply ALWAYS having a solution on-hand to help with the problem. Plus, Occultist's archetypes almost always make you stand out just by how different you are from everyone else; you're not hamstringing or gimping yourself with your choice.

>>52686337
I came buckets

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>>52686269
>>52686292
Perhaps it's because she's Calistrian, and thus has a prickly personality?

>>52686337
Thanks for the logs.

>>52686146
Seriously it looks pretty fun to do AoE healing with bombs.

How do I get my diplomacy bonus past 50

>>52686433
Assume situational bonuses can be broadly treated as being static.

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>>52686118
>mfw realizing I'm retarded and could have based a convoluted homebrew off of Explosive Missile to make it far simpler

Well shit

>>52686486
Welcome to Pathfinder where your homebrew probably already exists in some book.

>>52686433
Bribes?

>>52686515
Well, while that might be the case in some instances, I highly doubt there's an official way to shoot any extract/infusion into allies from a distance. I'll have to bring this up with my GM at some point though, so I can start unraveling the hot mess I've built up.

You know when you're just pouring over your sheet desperately trying to find any details you might have screwed up that would look bad for your app?

15 minutes to go it seems!

>>52686341
I want to pat Aoife's head

>>52686641
Shardwalkers got extended to 1900 EST. you can wait 3 more hours before panicking.

Although did Argentum stop checking the threads there to only deal with people on discord or IRC? You may want to log on there if you've not already, as that's probably the people being chosen.

>>52686357
I'd guess it depends on how long Ameiko-senpai takes to notice her fanboy.

The time until she does would be inversely proportional to Saboten getting plowed.

>>52686341
Exhibit A https://webmshare.com/Eg1OY

>>52686946
WEW ANON THIS IS A FUCKING BLUE BOARD

>>52686387
CARLOOOOOOOOS

>>52686986
Are links not allowed on blue boards?

>>52687041
/a/ gets away with sadpanda threads, so i don;t see why not.

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>>52687068
>/a/ gets away with sadpanda threads
h-haha y-yeah about that...

>>52687068
/a/ gets away with a lot of things because they're the favored child.

why do PFS players sound so hostile
They are always so tense and easily provoked

>>52687127
Because you see what you want to see. You have a heavy confirmation bias.

I am a PFS 4 star GM and can honestly say PFS players are no more hostile than your average player, less so than most /pfg/ players.

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>>52685919
I do like playing elves, though I've probably played more dark elves in general than regular elves I think.
>Mfw my dark elf is the party slave.

>>52687077
Do they not?

>tfw long time GM
>tfw have players play elves who are 600+ years old
>tfw tell them that I prefer they not play such ancient characters as their portrayal of them is always extremely shallow

I have never met a player who has given a convincing portrayal of a 600 year old being. Imagine if you met someone who had been alive since before the fall of the Byzantine empire. Multiple times older than the country they occupy.

In Golarion the last 600 years has been fucking packed full of shit.

Being 600 would warp someone if their original psychology was even close to a human's.

>>52687241
>its another "you're not allowed to play elves because you don't live up to my unrealistic and constantly goal-post shifting standards of a fictional race that nobody can know what they would actually be like" episode

>>52687268
This is why I don't include elves as a playable race because player's don't live up to my expectations.

>>52687217
They don't anymore, mods are on another powertrip.

>>52687241
>>52687304
The best way to play a long-lived race is to play the early parts of their life and ban anything further than that. IE: The first century or so, maybe a little into their second century if it can be justified as something like extended training at wizard school.
Also your expectations are dumb, even if your players are also shit

>>52687331
>Also your expectations are dumb, even if your players are also shit
This is why I just ban the races or more often just not include extremely long lived races

>>52687304
>its this shitpost again

Please find new bait material

>>52687331
>>52687304
>>52687241
I don't understand your objection. Who are you to tell your players they're playing a 600 year old wrong? When's the last time you met a 600 year old?

>>52686086
Bulbs or petals? Stamen or pistil?

Why has no one considered giving the bard a makeover yet, anons? It does its job reasonably well, but there's ZERO aspect of customization to it apart from versatile performance. Why hasn't anyone come up with an Unchained Bard?

>>52687192

Why are you such a slut for being the party spunk bank?

>>52687551
Archetypes do a fairly decent job at letting you customize the bard.

>>52687551
Bard is Tier 3, and thus perfectly fine.
The bard doesn't need a makeover.
Cavalier could use the unchaining far more.

>>52687593

I just wanna be a knight in shining armor, why can't the Cavalier do that well?

>>52687551
It could use some better archetypes that keep versatile performance, and a few archetype reworks to make some stuff less shitty, but other than that it seems pretty good at what it does. Seriously why the fuck does any worthwhile archetype also lose Versatile Performance? Dervish Dancer literally trades the entire feature away for half of one iteration of it for NO FUCKING REASON. On top of most of its abilities not being something you can use all at once.

>>52687603
Paladin does it far better. Fighter can pretty much do most of what Cavalier does if not more these days.
Fundamentally, the Cavalier is only good at doing damage, and not much else.

>>52687603

Here's what crumbles my cookie, guys.

I want to play a knight with a mount. Heavily-armored dude on horseback or griffin lancing foes or being a real bitch on foot.

I can play the Cavalier, but that's painfully mediocre on-foot which is typically 60% of the time. It's also pure first party. I can play the Hussar, but those don't get heavy armor. I can play an Ordained Defender Warder with the Chivalry Inquisition, which is the best case for this but is too religiously focused.

>>52687643

Paladins only get their mount at level 5, and they're explicitly religious!

>>52687677
>but those don't get heavy armor
Mithral Full Plate with Fusing (UltPsi) and a Steelbone Frame has 0 ACP. Aka no penalties for not being proficient, and counts as light armor for class features.
Armor proficiency feats are mostly pointless in PF short of going for a few specific feats or PrCs.

What's the best dinosaur I can take as an animal companion if I want to use it as a mount?

>>52687603

The main problem I have with the cavalier is that it's a mounted or GTFO class in a game that likes fucking over mounted characters.

Are you in open, easy terrain and on your horse? Lance, Spirited Charge, goodbye whatever the fuck was in a straight line in front of me. Using literally any other tactic is foolish compared to how effective Spirited Charge is so it becomes the only thing you do all combat.

Are you in a dungeon or in rough terrain or anything preventing the charge, which the GM will start doing ALL THE TIME because they resent how much damage you do with your charge? Congratulations, you are a strictly worse fighter.

>>52687241
Firstly, how do you know what a 600 year old acts like?

Secondly, they apparently MATURE that much slower too. It's why elves, the supposedly super magic race who make great wizards, take 120 motherfucking fucking years to learn it, while kobolds can be wizards by 16.

>>52687716

Anon, you just listed a dozen things that will only be financially available well after the campaign has started.

>>52687758

Elves take a 60 year gap year fucking and having kids before going back to their studies.

>>52687740

Lances should break after X number of uses.

>>52687740
I always trade out the mount with archetypes cuz I hate mounts.

I am happy for Pike giving us another mountless Cav option that isn't just terrible.

>>52687798
All of them? Every single elf wizard has spent 60 years having kids?

>>52687821

What, yours aren't?

>>52687798
They're underaged until they're 120.
That 110 year old elf girl has been through six boy bands and eleven puppy-crushes.

>>52687740

I JUST WISH THE HUSSAR DID NOT REMOVE HEAVY ARMOR PROFICIENCY ON THE WARDER

REEEEEEEEEEE

>>52687874

They're not that childish, they just aren't fit for adventuring.

Imagine a 16 year old girl who remains 16 for 100 years, or a 16 year old boy who remains 16 for 100 years.

Imagine the drama, the sex, the petty slights.

Makes you understand how they can hold onto a grudge, yeah?

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>>52687563
I can't help it, I like being used and told what to do ;-;

>>52687914
Except they're not 16. Not while they're 80. They're barely 10 by then.

If I was 600 years old, I'd be fucking fearless. Either I've seen everything, and would know it's coming, my vast knowledge would make me unfuckwithable, or I'd be so god damn bored of life that the fucking crossbow trap behind the door (There's always a crossbow trap behind the door) better hit me in the god damn head.

>>52687942

You should make a camp follower for Blingmaker that wants to open up an exotic bordello!

>>52687947

Imagine living so long you were around to see the stagnation and fall of your civilization by the younger races.

It would be like a slaver owner from 1850 still having kids when Obama was elected, or a man who was there for the Polish charge during the Siege of Vienna sitting on his porch and hearing the clarion blare for Islamic prayer in his village.

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>>52687947
Are you guys saying that someone who's really, really old like this would become sick of living and devolve into an extreme masochist?

So who here is currently panicking about Shardwalkers? What about BitF?

>>52687999
Imagine you've been set in your ways since you were 300...

Psycho "survivalist" who puts shock collars on his illegal slaves as part of a luddite cult in some shithole corner of a souther US state.

>>52688045
I didn't use Discord/IRC to discuss so I'm a bit worried, as I'm told the GM was more active on there. I'm more worried about the fact that some people on here appeared to like the character though, what if that causes a kneejerk to avoid any memes...

>>52687947
Races with long lifespans still remember just as much as faster burning races

>>52688069
At least nobody openly talks about fucking your character right in the pistil.

>>5268808
STOP THIS MADNESS

Anyone else do great with text roleplay on Roll20 but the moment it turns IRC or Discord you're just stressed out the entire time?

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>>52687970
Honestly... my character in Blingmaker is already so squishy she practically needs constant protection by a dedicated front-line cause she can't do dick outside of slinging spells. So she's pretty much stuck as a support follower and knows for a fact that she's pretty much useless in that field, which mean making the party happy is 1st priority just so that she doesn't get replaced. I'll think about the bordello idea if her plans fall through.

>>52688088

You know you love it.

I love to hear people talk dirty about the things they'd do to my characters, and am very welcome to private noncanon PM play with others. But I'm too shy to pursue it myself. Be courageous and take what you want, boys! I won't say no!

>>52688132
Any hints as to who your character is?

>>52688152

It's pretty obvious that they're the titty caster that's last on the list.

>>52688132
>>52688152
If it's who I think it is...
Well, she seems like a sweetheart,
really. Wouldn't mind graduating to true villainy at her side.

>>52688133
EXHACK YOU SLUT

>>52688132

Any of the meaty tanks currently posted strike your fancy as her stalwart companion both on and off the field?

>>52688133
And that's the story of how a single anon conned all of /pfg/ into sending filthy PMs to their favorite meme characters

>>52688133

Honestly, I'm exactly the same way. I'd happily entertain PMs asking for non-canon encounters, but I'm not going to go around bugging people to do one.

>>52688203

Is exhack into that, or is this the new meme?

I'm not exhack. I don't really play waifus or sluts.

>>52688203
Why do people always single out Exhack?

>>52688133
Whomst are you

>>52688290
Because they're cute! And they make good waifus!

>>52688237
>>52688290
i dunno i just wanted to call him a slut desu

>>52688290

Maybe because of chronic waifuposting.

>>52688307

~profuse sweating~

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>>52688152
>>52688171
>>52688173
>Female
>Caster
>Squishy and sucks in physical combat.
Thems the hints, titty caster last on the list actually has more HP than me. I've got the lowest out of anyone else. Many d6's suck big time.

>>52688209
As long as I'm not the one getting hit I'm happy. Though currently I'd say Kyras, Sigmund, or Andrik I'd think?

>>52688307
Exhack's waifus are low tier. Fite me.

>>52688133
>>52688203
can confirm not Exhack
can confirm also cute

>>52688357
You can't be that cute

>>52688324
>low hp
>d6 hit die
>no combat ability
I think I know who it is.
Would smash.

>>52688324

Antoinette is CUUUUUUTE!

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>>52688220
>that spoiler
>mfw

>>52688324
>>52688397
I stand corrected, I actually have same HP as titty witch.
>After spending gold retraining HD to full.

Why are casters so squish ;-;

>>52688397
But her writing HUUUUUURTS.

>>52688220

I have no memes, and my girls aren't too popular or fetishy or overtly sexual.

But I pride myself on my skills! I've been paid to do erotic rp before!

>>52688437

Seconded. Antoinette's player is a godawful writer.

Do you ever make an F-list profile for a character that isn't going to be in a lewd game? I feel it helps me get a better feel for their likes and dislikes.

>>52687677
Paladin!

>>52688459

Not really.

>>52688462

But Paladins are GODLY.

>>52688437
>>52688456
It's not even like it's an unsalvagable profile. It just needs a quick rewrite.

Shit, even a re-format to make it less physically painful to read would be an improvement.

>>52688436

So that martials can protect them with their big, muscular arms.

>that one character in your party who you're pretty sure is depressed

What's their name?

>>52688324

>Seductive, neutral evil black-haired elf trying to corrupt the blonde haired, lawful good knight-errant

I'd ship it.

>>52688459

I don't even make them for lewd characters.

I'm what you'd call vanilla as fuck.

Nobody complains when someone who plays girls isn't into kinky shit. Only guys have to broaden their minds to get frequent play.

The worst I get is highly sanitized physical abuse.

>qt mage stocks rising
>strong knight rising
It never left, boys

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>>52688437
>>52688456
>mfw I thought it was decent.
>mfw I can't make anyone happy.

There's a limit to how much I can take.

>>52688469
Not necessarily. Paladins draw their powers from their sheer dedication to the ideals of Lawful Goodness (or <insert other alignment here> if you archetype). While yes, most of them do this in service to a God, even those will put their chivalry over the tenets of their God in case of a conflict, and plenty of them don't have a God in the first place.

>>52688518
See >>52688473
You're not terrible, but dude. The italics and center-aligned text make it a chore.

>>52687914
Ugh, in 3.5 after Races of the Wild it was much better. Elves matured at an age of 25. But due to societal norms they rarely went beyond their home country until they were around a hundred years old.

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>>52688518
there there, little one.

>>52688518

We literally told you it was too long and had poor formatting within minutes of it posting.

>>52688523
Show me one canon paladin that doesn't have a diety.

That bullshit is a halfassed concession to justify atheist clerics and the like. No one actually uses it in the setting, because it's fucking stupid.

>>52688517
Might have to trade out that armor and start white-knight-posting rather than black-.

>>52688523

I kind of like the idea of someone that attained paladin powers by just being a good person REALLY HARD their entire life but didn't notice they could smite or lay on hands until they started adventuring and always assumed their divine grace and ability to detect evil was just good luck and intuition.

>"You didn't say you were a paladin."
>"I'm a WHAT now?"

>>52688553
>tfw white-knights defend honor
>tfw black-knighting isn't a common thing
>no tsun black knight

>>52688551
It is pretty stupid, but I will say I've seen people try to defend it by saying that they are agents of an ideal, even though the ideals they're agents of still end up drawing power from the gods.

I'm kind of tired of all the NPCs I see being waifus. Can we get start building some suggestions for monster husbandos to throw at Overlewd GM?

>>52688551
Nobody uses it because you chimp out about it.

>>52685919
Elves are literally just NPCs in my campaigns. If I don't give them at least that, they just don't exist. There just don't seem to be any reasons for my players to want to play them.

>>52688591
Gods did not invent alignments. They're as old as the universe itself.

>>52688551
Since I don't know anything about Golarion canon, I can't do that.

But Alignments are a real, powerful, cosmic force in D&D. If they can empower Gods, they can empower mortals too.

>>52688459
Sure, i've got one for a lewd game right now

>>52688631
Then give me an example of a canon official D&D setting Paladin that got his power from an ideal and not a god.

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>>52688595
Classy as fuck lizard man.

>>52688591
It's because people use FR as the basis for all their homebrew shit, whether they know it or not. A lot of assumptions about how things work in D&D is just because of Forgotten Realms. In base D&D the Paladin has always received power because of his strong ties to law and good.

>>52688615
Alignments=/=ideals. You can't be a paladin of Lawful Good, you have to be a Paladin of Justice, or Righteousness, or DEUS VULT, some other specific thing that drives them to do what they feel is right.

>>52688595

Rustic werewolf?

>>52688595
Goblin Bard scholar. Because he's afraid of writing he's trained himself in dictation and likes to think of the PCs as his personal assistants.

>>52688532
>>52688546
I think I'd just been so used to writing with italics during RP. Center alignment was just an experiment since I like how pictures look when they're on the center.

>>52688661
Nearly every paladin from OD&D through 2e. Done.

>>52688661
Eludecia?

>>52688517

What about squishy caster and mighty barbarian?

>>52688682
That's another thing. You only need one picture, two makes it even harder to slog through all that text.

If you're going to have more pictures, make an imgur album or something and partition them off in there.

>>52688688
No, actual named examples. Not just a vague statement saying their devoted to goodness, but then looking at every stat block mentioning they have a patron god.

>>52688518

The dark elf bitch being played by a cute player this easily flustered is really, really cute!

>>52688698
Less valuable. Barbarians are more about destroying and less about protecting.

>>52688038
I was so annoyed how soft GGxrd felt compared to blazblue.

A shame, I was a fan of the previous games.

>>52688678

I fucking despise people who insist on goblins being normal people so much.

>>52688719
"Soft"?

>>52688698
Also good, but Blingmaker's got more knights than barbarians.

Then again, if Arehera gets off his ass and finishes Seska, then her and either Gregori or Andrei could make a cute couple in that vein.

>>52688704
Goalpost shift.

>>52688662

Shit, that lizard is classy.

>>52688669
I think that has to be bullshit, because the characters in the games know that this sometimes arbitrary alignment system exists. There's no way people aren't dedicating themselves to them as concepts or even forces to worship, somewhere. There is some strange magically-determined signature that gives characters in the world an "objective" truth on whether things are good or bad, or at least appears to be such to them. People love turning to that sort of shit instead of using their own judgment, that's a real human behavior.

>>52688704
So now "don't draw powers from a god" isn't enough, you need examples of characters who literally don't believe in gods, in a setting where the gods are objectively real?

Your goalposts are motorized, and you're baka.

>>52688743
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lks-kvfdKbc

>>52688726
moves didn't feel like they didn't have impact, basically

>>52688750
That's not what I'm saying at all.

"Show me a canon paladin that get's power from an ideal and not a god"
>here's a rule saying they get power form an ideal and not a specific example of one that gets one from
Since this entire argument is about how that whole "empowered by lawful good" is a half assed nod to atheists and is never actually used.

>>52688663
This reminds me of an ADnD 2e adventure where the party ends up sent to an alternate plane. The place cuts off their ties to gods, angels, demons and other spiritual forces, but the clerics, paladins and druids don't lose their powers. Eventually it gets revealed that the gods provide basically no powers, it's the resolve and belief that they can do these things that grants divine spells and evil smiting.

Forget the name of it, but it was for a decently high level party iirc.

>>52688759
I guess that's more a matter of personal taste. I feel a lot better about Guilty Gear than I do about BlazBlue, but then, I never liked BB as much as GG to begin with.

>>52688779

I don't know how I feel about that.

>>52688779
If that's true then you're right, but that is incredibly fucking retarded for a bunch of other reasons.

You may as well just get rid of "divine" magic entirely and just have really religious wizards.

>>52688781
I was a fan of both. XRD just didn't do it for me.

Bedman was cool though

>>52688707
Characters often have aspects of the player bubble through, so the the dark elf will likely have flustered outbursts

>>52688779
I prefer how Ravenloft did it--you're cut off from your gods, but something else steps in to fill the void. Something mysterious and a little foreboding. Something that keeps giving you little pushes towards darkness and seeing if you'll stand firm or follow that path.

My setting's elves are just a ripoff of the eldar from Warhammer 40k, but that doesn't matter too much since only a handful of them are still alive after they took the torture orgies a lil too far

What am I supposed to do while waiting for my buddy to tell me what kind of setting his campaign will have? Can't pick my ranger's favored enemies and terrain if I don't know where we'll be fighting ffs

>>52688799
We might as well just have wizards that are able to cast in the Mana Wastes as well, since apparently we can just do whatever we want with our magic despite having one of the hardest rulesets in fiction.

>>52688799
It's not retarded. Faith is powerful in fantasyland!

>>52688869
Then stupid people just become all-powerful, don't they?

>>52688803

That just raises even more questions! Like which character would fluster her the most?

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>>52688699
>>52688532
I've capitulated to your demands. I'm keeping my picture, I like it...

>>52688707
That feel when I'm told I play great bitchy characters and that their attitude always leads them into bad situations. It's time to stop!
I don't want to be reminded on my degeneracy.

>>52688883

Aren't those just called martials?

>>52688883
Nah. This is mystical faith. Why's it different? Who knows, but it just is.

>>52688883
It works well in Warhammer 40k, you can keep the "i can do X because my brain says so!" bullshit in check by requiring the person to either have some innate psionic power or lots of training

>>52688883
>>52688869
This. What stops some incredibly delusional hobo from getting cleric powers from a particular nice piece of garbage hen finds or the voice in his head that he thinks is divine?
>>52688898
And that's precisely why it's shitty writing.

>>52688904
Psykers work different and really don't work like Psionics. It's closer to really unstable arcane magic and isn't really "divine".

>>52688913
Nothing. We call these "cults". Of course, to actually be DANGEROUS, he needs a half-decent Wisdom or Charisma, otherwise he's just a hobo with a cantrip.

>>52688891

Just embrace it, you've found what you're good at playing and you need to perfect it.

That said, Antoinette really is kind of bland in terms of her interests; she wants to gain power via knowledge, but so does everyone else.

Do the obvious yet unexplored thing and say she just wants to lay back and be a decadent little tramp that researches when she feels like it between bouts of rough fucking her stud and enjoying a full body massage. She's very good at her job and is always getting better... When she feels like it.

Make her a cat, in other words.

>>52688913
What's to stop someone from mastering all possible martial weapons and all possible forms of armor? What's to stop anyone from figuring out magic by reading a few books? PC classes are exceptional.

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>>52688884
I don't wanna open Pandora's box by answering that question.

>>52688951
You've already gone this far, why stop now?
I mean the worst you could do is post logs so until you've hit that point you're good.

>>52688948
> PC classes are exceptional.
No they aren't
>Two
You shouldn't call a class Divine if in fact their powers have nothing to do with divinity.

Cleric as a class is a sacred cow that should be done away with.

>>52688951

What if you PMed them?

>>52688947

>Between bouts of rough fucking

Leave the cats alone, anon.

>>52688967
>No they aren't
What is your reasoning for this? Only a small portion of the population has levels in PC classes.

>>52688967
Wow, I suppose everyone should have an adventuring class, then. What was I thinking?

>>52688989
No. Yeah the DMG says so but pretty much every single module, AP, and NPC codex implies otherwise.

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>>52688947
NO, THIS IS NOT THAT KIND OF GAME ANON, THE GM SAID SO, I WILL NOT WRITE THAT IN. Even if it might be true.

>>52688967
>No they aren't
They literally are special. There's a reason there's special NPC classes the book tells you not to use, because Commoner and Warrior and Expert and Adept are the 99%. Players are the 1%.

>Divine
Divine levels exist.

>>52688970
>inb4 every anon spends the rest of the day slapping f5

>>52689005
Are you trying to tell me every unnamed peasant whore is Warrior 3 Magus 2?

>>52688518
Gonna be honest, while skimming through BitF, I didn't even read beyond the 3rd line of appearance.

The bizarre formatting and choppy sentences just make the app a chore to read.

The random animr gif at the bottom doesn't help either.

>>52689010
>They literally are special.
No they're not.
>There's a reason there's special NPC classes the book tells you not to use
Because 3.5 is full of bloat and felt the need to stat every single fucking thing.
>>52689021
No.

>>52689021
I think that'd actually be worse than being a straight level 5 Commoner.

>>52689005
Most important NPCs have PC levels. However they're not indicative of most of the population. Half the reason they're important and relevant is because of those PC levels.

>>52689021
Celebrity Bard 1/ Crimson Countess 1/Expert (Prostitute) 1

>>52689034
Did you ever review Nugget Man?

>>52689044
Yes. But just because their not most of the population doesn't make them special either.

Having a level in a PC class is like being an honor student or something, you might be a little above the rest but you are by no means a special snowflake.

>>52689034
Can you give us your opinions on the BitF apps? Even a quick summary is ok.

>>52689039
>No they're not.
10/10 claim with zero backup.

>>52689069
Adept is literally a shittier version of caster classes. Warrior is literally a shittier version of fighter.

>>52689008

You don't have to explicitly write it in, anon! Say she enjoys luxury and creature comforts and slap her with Hedonism as a drawback!

Then it's only a matter of playing a seductive harlot who occasionally PMs players about doing side stuff.

>>52689064
No one will tell me who or what Nugget Man even is, or what campaign it's from. So, no.

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>>52688965
Because I'm not a Rory, plus saying stuff like that just makes me want to stay under my covers all day.

>>52688988
Yes, leave the kitties alone.

>>52689069
No one ever said it made you a "special snowflake". It sets you apart from 90% of the population however.

In a big city though? There are plenty of people with PC levels.

>with literally 90 minutes to go
>someone else submits a Shardwalkers app
mhmm

>>52689092
Slowcogs' guy for Blingmaker.

>>52688891
Then take that step. Make the cutesy character application that everyone will lust for or be charmed by!
GIVE US THE GENUINE THING!

>>52689092
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4831395/character-applications/?pageforid=4861241#post-4861241

DHB's Harland Pant for Blingmaker, affectionately referred to as Nugget Man.

Is negotiator bard still the best for a diplomancer build?

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If I wanted to raise bloody skeletons or fast zombies and walk wherever I wished unquestioned with them at my side, how would I go about that? First thought I had was putting them in a robe, maybe with a full helmet to cover their face more. Would this require disguise checks to keep anyone from noticing? What about the smell?

And then, what if I want to raise something non-human, like say a bear, or command something incorporeal to serve me?

>>52689092
Nuggetman : https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4831395/character-applications/?pageforid=4861241#post-4861241

My shameless app plug: https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4831395/character-applications/?pageforid=4832008#post-4832008

>>52689076
Yes and. They're are still LOADS of generic NPC wizards and such in every fucking town that is mentioned. PC classes are uncommon but by now means 1/100 super duper rare or exceptional by any means.

>>52689118

Undisputedly still the master of "natural" social skills.

>>52689129
It's more like 1 in 20.

>>52689102
>>52689113
>>52689125

It's the app DHB should have submitted to HR.

>>52689129
>by no means 1/100 super duper rare
I disagree simply because most peasants and your average artisan / guardsman is going to be taking levels in commoner, expert, or warrior respectively. People who actually get names, sure, they're going to be working on Wizard 3 or Cleric 7, but in a peasant village of 200 dirt farmers, you'll be lucky to get one guy who's fighter 1.

>>52689167
But it doesn't fit HR at all?

>>52689119
Fast zombies you could probably get by with armour or cloaks.

Bloody skeletons are oozing blood all over all the time, someone will notice.

Rolled 19 + 43 (1d20 + 43)

>>52689145
Alright. Just making sure is all.
Haven't taken a look at ultimate intrigue yet, did it add anything beyond that one amazing feat?

>>52689177

It actually does, or are you telling me an inscrutable capitalist trying to monopolize their brand in a liberal city isn't perfect?

The Middle-Aged white men of Silicon Valley did the SAME FUCKING THING.

>>52689161
1/20 people having a level in a PC class isn't really exceptional.

what the fuck is going on in this thread

>>52689226
?

>>52689226
People bitching about PC rarirty and one our local Nazis trying to trigger another /pol/gasm.

>>52689177
It fits the looser tone of that campaign a helluva lot than the more serious tone of Blingmaker.

DHB once again shot a good app in the foot by failing to match the tone of the game.

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>>52689104
>>52689079
But but but, I already wrote in that she enjoys all that stuff, "She enjoys being spoiled by others but also find pleasure in returning the favors back to those who had treated her very nicely." she's totally a cat >.<

On a side note I forgot to give her a drawback, has now added Hedonist.

>>52689216
Being in the 5th percentile certainly sets you apart from the crowd. If you're better than 95% of people you are special.

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>>52689246
>more serious tone
>Kill La Kill guy with "money" on his teeth used as the page image

>>52688324
If you're worried about getting hurt you can always stand behind the /gun-tank/

She can take some hits for you.

>>52689246
>BLINGMAKER
>A SERIOUS CAMPAIGN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93oihEbeKmw

>>52689248

>Bitchy woman who sneaks into your tent at night to have some fun after you make her laugh that day and carry her stuff

CUUUUUUTE

>>52689246
>It fits the looser tone of that campaign a helluva lot than the more serious tone of Blingmaker.
>Blingmaker
>Serious tone
>The game is called "Blingmaker"
>GM literally says he's going for a less serious tone striking somewhere between "joke" and "serious"
Nigga you're dumb.

>>52689243
this thread does seem to have a knee jerk response to anything vaguely about real world sociology or politics as "/pol/ get out reeeeee" which probably makes the actualy /pol/ people want to egg it on.

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>>52689261
I think that would be a nice thing actually..

>>52689256
>>52689270
>>52689281

>Demands I look at something I haven't read or had any interest in.
>Gets angry because I haven't read it.

Really makes ya think.

>>52689332
>implying i'm angry at you

more laughing at you for being fucking useless

Review apps for a game or fuck off.

>>52688970
>>52689020
I don't like PM'ing people for stuff, I'm actually pretty shy IRL so x.x

>>52689332
Wait.
Do you mean you didn't read the game's Roll20 page?
Because nobody's mad at you for not reviewing DHB's app.
Nobody's even mad at you for anything.

But it looks like you're saying you shouldn't be expected to even look at the Roll20 page before you start wanking off about what the game's tone is supposed to be.

>>52689129
1 in 100 actually sounds about right, or even too generous maybe. What percentage of a population would have professions that don't fit in the NPC classes? What kind of population would have more than 1% of its people be clerics, druids, wizards, sorcerers, bards, paladins, alchemists, etc.

Even guards and mercenaries are warriors instead of fighters. Common priests would be adepts, and not clerics trained to use martial weapons and armor in addition to channeling and full spellcasting. Even a level 1 rogue has enough knowledge of anatomy to know where to hit to kill most people in under 6 seconds with a kitchen knife and the precision to do so more often than not, in addition to a pretty wide set of skills and a point bought statline that boosts everything they do.

>>52689392
>Do you mean you didn't read the game's Roll20 page?

I did, and I looked at some other apps. From that, in the five minutes I had, the game looked like it's being played fairly straight.

>>52689248
That's not cutesy, that's just being easy!
Sure, call me a purityfag, but I still think HR's Yuria was a qt.
And right now, I see little other than a power hungry necromancer that gives her body like she dabbles in forbidden magic. Carelessly and deserving of contempt.

>>52689420
>Even guards and mercenaries are warriors instead of fighters
Depends on where you''re talking about. The game isn't fucking consistent about this at all. There are mooks that are described as being 8th level fighters. Town guards that are 15t level. Regular ass grunts that are just fighters.

The "PC's are super duper rare guise" is just bluster to make people feel better about their characters.

>>52689486
It's the only way it makes any fucking sense though. If town guards are level 15 then why the FUCK are we hiring level 3 scrublets?

>>52685919
>or
You don't have the trinity of high, wood, and dark?

High elves can be anywhere, though they're the least nature focused and most arcane focused. Wood elves go fully hippy and range from nomads to tree house clusters. Drow are generic as shit broody cave cunts with fetishes for torture and spider. At least that's my preference for stuff like pathfinder. In other settings I like to explore how something similar would have adapted to (current setting)

>>52689486
>guards are 15th level
>guards can solo a lich and a wraith at the same time
At last I truly see

>>52689486
Mainly it's something stated in DMGs, but then they have to go back on because to make humanoid enemies in APs at high levels they need to add class levels, and NPC classes don't have enough meat to make them threats.

>>52689486
Level 15 fighters, or warriors?

Because that's another, different axis of bullshit we would have to dissect.

>>52689504
Because level's in this game are distributed around what's going to be interesting to the PC's as opposed to what's consistent.

>>52689528
I think high levels of NPC classes are basically used in the same way monster HD were designed: be equivalent to actually much lower level PCs in power, but with more HP padding.

>>52689099
That's almost guaranteed to be a pre-existing character they quickly change a few words in the backstory for if it's done that fast.

>>52689486
Sometimes I almost like bounded accuracy.

>>52689555
It only takes about 3 hours to write up a character if you're slow.

>>52689486
Which mooks are 8th level fighters? Where is this?

What town guards are level 15? Where is this? Where's the entry?

>>52689486
>a patrol squad of town guards is an endgame encounter
Are you serious?

>>52689587
>8th level
Demon Army Recruits. Villain Codex
>15th Level town guards
End game Jade Regeant.

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>>52689386
same, but to the point where I don't know how to respond to praise beside a quite "Thanks" or "Thank you". Pic related

>>52689606
And Reign of Winter has Russian soldiers as 5th level fighters.

This discussion has showed me that you should always make your own goddamn settings that are actually consistent

>>52689606
>End game Jade Regeant
That's actually bullshit.
They're level 10 Samurai, they're not the regular guards, and they're also oni with class levels

>>52689637
I see no problem with this.

>>52689606
>Demon Army Recruits. Villain Codex
>End game Jade Regeant.
Both of these are fucking dumb.

>>52689606
Aren't those "recruits" not actually mooks, but "hey you're good enough now join this high level fucking army"? It's like saying someone joining the french foreign legion is a mook.

>>52689386

So you want Kyras, Sigmund and Andrik to PM you?

/pfg/ Do I have to roll for poison checks to avoid fucking myself if I want to use a blowgun?

>>52689246
And here's why reviewanons are shit and you retards should stop taking their word as gospel. The only fucking person that matters is the GM, so cut it out with this e-celeb crap.

The highest charisma score I can find on any monster is 40 on nocticula. Is there anything larger anywhere else?

Statting NPCs the same way as PCs was a mistake. Apocalypse World does the whole "you are THE Gunlugger" thing way better.

>>52689715
Doubtful.

>>52689649
I tried doing that and made the most powerful people in the setting level 9.

Then I realized they couldn't actually do enough cool shit. Like you can't raise dead as an arcane necromancer until like level 5 wizard, or 6 for sorc? And that's just sad and also where did all the undead come from and how are nations capable of fielding hundreds if not thousands of undead at once?

I decided the answer is fuck you it's fantasy, I dunno, deal with it.

>>52689708
I've said many, many times that no one should take my word as gospel

>>52689707
Because you need poison use to not fuck yourself

>>52689715
>40 Charisma
What the fuck does that even MEAN?

>>52689307
It's what she's there for. To stand in front of the people who can't take a hit and rattle off her gun while they fling spells.

>>52689758
Can you stop namefagging

>>52689784
Literally dangerous to be near for any extended periods of time.

>>52689784
It means you'll be thinking about it constantly when you go to bed tonight.

>>52689781
b-but anon what if I want to play a Chirurgeon with a bowgun?

>>52689832
choose a better weapon or choose a race that gets poison use

>>52689719
>>52689784
It's part of a thought experiment I'm certainly never going to actually play out. Based around the call truce feat and a diplomacy focused character. DC is 30 + CH modifier, so 45 in this case. After a bit of looking around, without doing mythic things the highest I've seen diplomacy get is 43 + CH modifier which I don't care to find out. That's without looking through traits or spells mind.

>>52689803
>Directly attacks someone
>Angry when they respond.

What did he mean by this?

>>52689862
>everyone who responds to me is someone that I responded to before

Do you have literal brain damage you fucking retard?

>>52689861
I should mention, at this point you can take ten on diplomacy, and even 20 a certain number of times per day. So my theoretical build can convince Cthulhu to sit down for a chat.

>>52689919
Cthulhu has that "roll 1d20 to not go insane" effect just for talking to him though so I don't think you can just take twenty.

>tfw wizard
>tfw no matter how I build my wizard /pfg/ gets buttmad

>>52689976
>be wizard
>party loves me

Step it up

>>52689976
play healslut clerics instead.

>>52690000
I'm applying to /pfg/ games, they get buttmad over wizards no matter the kind. I've played wizards in meatspace before and been fine.

>>52690019
Yeah people tend to bitch about Full Casters even if they aren't going for a cancer build that can be seen a mile away.

>>52690019
I'm in a /pfg/ game as a wizard literally right now

>>52690019
Play a witch or sorcerer. Slightly less powerful, but far less likely to provoke autistic rage.

>>52690075
Nigga the wizard is the only one with a GUN archetype.

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>>52689615
Yeah I feel the same way, honestly also has to do that I don't like the feeling of being rejected x.x

>>52689684
No no no, I didn't say that.

>>52689792
I like this combo, this is a good combo.

>>52689274
That feel when she does this because it makes people do nice things for her and she like it.

>>52689465
Wait, no, stop. You shouldn't get mad at the necromancer and choke her out because you hate her or anything.

>>52690126
>choke her out
Unless she's into that.

>>52690095
the one that sucks ass?

>>52690075
Sorcerer is significantly less powerful.
Witch is exactly as bad as a Wizard, I don't know why no one gets any shit for it.

>>52690190
Because it's more earthy and flavorful and has a lot fewer ZOMG ULTIMATE POWER options.

>>52690182
I want a magic gun dammit and I want to fire magic out of my gun.

I'm looking at Trench Fighter 3/Wizard 2, it's shit but it's what I got.

>>52690216
You suck. Play a gunsmoke mystic.

>>52690149
You know now that you mention it, I wasn't sure if I should have been happy or sad when someone mentioned that they wanted to Hate fuck my character and choke her out.

Part of me thinks I'm hated, the other part doesn't mind as much.

>>52690190
Because Witch isn't a meme dating from AD&D times.

>>52690216
>>52690223
Play a Spellburst Gunwitch.

>>52690210
>ZOMG
You are over thirty years of age

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>>52690126
Story time: the feelings rejection and failure have been heightened in me because back when I was in grade school, I would be called to the front of the class and had to sit in front of everyone. It hurt extra much because the teacher only did this to me. and now I have social problems. Could go further, but I think that's enough of elf shame for now. pic related to this and I was the last "shy boy" anon

>>52690190
Witch has a dog shit spell list compared to wizard.

>>52690223
I don't want to be an initiator. Gunsmoke mystic is not what I'm looking for at all even if I did want to be an initiator. lol random recovery

With the existence of Samsaran, all prepared casters are essentially just as gay as one another, it's a big homogenous orgy now.

>>52690250
So you just want to fuck yourself into uselessness.

>>52690216
Take 1 level of Spellslinger, and then go into another spellcasting class

There's literally no reason you cannot do this

>>52690228
Perhaps "grudge fuck" might have been the better option when I typed that. And hey, it's not violent if there's love...right?

>>52690267
I'm doing fine as is, my character's power level isn't an issue.

TEN MINUTES LEFT

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>>52690282

>>52690339
...Look for a PM in the near future.

>>52690250
at the table random recovery is great. You just make little cards with all your abilities instead of writing it into those tiny lines on the caster page of character sheets. You just discard them as they're used and shuffle the library when you're empty.

It's on roll20 that it's shit.

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>>52690282
Call it what you want, I secretly like this.

>>52686946
Christ thats sloppy

>>52690350
I'm not going to press f5 on roll20 or anything.

final shard app? with 7 minutes to spare at the time?

>>52690438
>it's fucking real
Why? Just why?

>>52690438
What a garbage app

What are the stats for the Rougarou race? Are they better or worse than Skinwalkers?

>>52690462
calm down dude, it's not mine. dunno if they even come on here. Just saying, wow, last minute

and looks like time is up.

>>52690468
worse
No +2 saves

>>52690474
Doesn't mean its not a garbage app in addition to being absolutely last minute

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>>52690237
Yeah, I've got enough embarrassing incidents that happened in my school years you could probably make an anime out of it. Worst one was probably when I gave my long time crush in high school a present that I handmade along with a note asking them out. They didn't feel the same way about me so it was a pretty rough rejection...

>Results will be posted here around 1900
What is that in human-time?

>>52690492
for everyone except americans that's 1900 EDT.
for americans that's 7pm eastern time, daylight savings

>>52690409
As in sloppy animation or sloppy contents?

>>52690585
i mean the animation isn't stellar but the contents.. Sloppy.

>>52690608
Yeah, sloppy is a good description for the end result there.

10-21 "Rio Eliyan" as THE REPLICANT
Yukiko as THE PRINCESS
Blossom Hearthschilde as THE MEIDO
Aoife as ZA BEASTO
Talia D'Ivores as THE MAGICIAN