/swg/ Firmus Piett Edition

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>>52667403
Apparently the Raider in the latest BF trailer is the 'home base' for the player in the campaign.

Does anyone know if it will be possible to re-write or re-use that campaign to be able to use it as a split-game campaign (using a mix of Imperial Assault and X-wing)?

I'm looking for a way to have a campaign that combines the two, but I'm struggling to be able to incorporate Scum, as well as having a plot that makes sense.

Also, Should I buy a raider? It's the only imperial ship that I am missing in my collection. If I do, how should I repaint it?

>>52667542
Has FFG made stats for the Raider for Edge?

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>>52667542

>>52667580

Yeah, it's in Friends Like These for AoR.

>>52667591
Is it smaller than it should be going by those TIEs? I know they shrunk the C90's in canon, so maybe they scaled it back as well?

>>52667739
*CR90's

Always do that

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Alright, /swg/, I need help fleshing out a superweapon intended to be more retarded than anything that has come before it. Dumber than the Tarkin, dumber than the Darksaber, dumber than the Sun Crusher, dumber than Starkiller Base. Raith Sienar's cocaine-fueled magnum opus: a planet covered in solar farms and turned into a giant TIE. What sort of bullshit would go into a battle station like that? What would its inner workings look like?

>>52667872
This is a wonderful idea but i have nothing to contribute.

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>>52667580
Yeah, they'll run your space truck down and beat on you with a sack of padlocks.
Very nasty

>>52667872
>What would its inner workings look like?
The RV in Breaking Bad as Raith takes to the galaxy in his own mobile hillbilly heroin and TIE fighter factory.

>>52667872
If you make the solar panels thermal solar you could shift all the panels to focus on one direction and blind the enemy.

>>52667872

Okay then, if we are going full Sienar....

Sienar being a purist, the planet will be a TIE, as in it will be moved via the use of a continent-sized Twin Ion Engine. The population and working areas will be housed in a domed area which happens to resemble the viewport of the TIE line.

>>52667872
Doesn't Gundam have a super weapon like that?

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>>52667967
>>52667981
>>52667992
Good shit. Now for weapons. If we want to go full TIE, how would one scale up the laser cannon equivalent? Hypervelocity cannon batteries? Casaba howitzers? Eclipse-class SSDs built into the ground Lusankya-style? Would it have TIE launch facilities standing in for ordnance launchers?

>>52668052
Not just a few, but hundreds of docking ports and TIE fighters ready for engagements, essentially making a large fighter fleet on command. Bonus points for having dedicated crews for these ports, so if a damaged TIE flies in, they can pit crew that shit and send it out in minutes.

>>52667872
Two massive ion engines in the planet's core.
The front hemisphere is covered in guns. The rear hemisphere is covered in solar panels with the engine exhausts. At the north pole, there's a pilot's station, at the south pole there's a gunner.

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>>52668149
>At the north pole, there's a pilot's station, at the south pole there's a gunner.

>>52668052
Leftover Galaxy Gun missiles taped on in hastily built gigantic 'external ordinance pods'
Railguns hyperaccelerating lava drawn directly from the planet's mantle and firing giant streams of it at hilarious speeds
Aerosolized amphetamine-based internal defense systems

>>52667542
How do you loadout your Raiders in Epic?

What's a good crew? What combination of the three hardpoints is best?

I want to make an Epic list that uses a Raider and 6 TIE/FO's with Weapons Guidance and Crack Shot as a basis-. That leaves 80 points for Raider upgrades and other ships.

What else would go well here?

>>52668089
>A planet that has been turned into one gigantic airbase
Would cultures, societies, and pseudo-countries form out of the various launch facility regions' pilots and support personnel?

>>52668293
But of course.

>>52668052

Again, we are going Sienar-purist, there will be two main cannons, located to the south of the habitat section. These are off-shoots of Death Star superlaser project, which while not world-destroying are still enough to punch through planetary shields and ruin things.

Also, on what remains of the polar north of this planet are several deep trenches, from which a veritable swarm of TIEs can be deployed and serviced.

The fact that these trenches resemble those on the hatch of the TIE/ln is entirely coincidental.

>>52668338
>Sienar purist
So would there be two equatorial space elevators on opposite sides of the planet, each one linked to a fuckhuge hexagonal plate covered in more solar panels and heatsinks?

>>52667967

Speed 4 for a SIL 5 with only -1 handling is actually pretty good, god forbid the imperial crew has a helmsman who is slightly insane.

>"Sir, those Rebel X-Wings are getting away!"
>"Not on my watch. Helm, give it everything you've got!"
>Helmsman sighs. He takes off his hat and uniform coat, revealing a sweaty wife beater underneath.
>He lights a cigarette and puts on some headphones, then puts the throttle on maximum, and then some more.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2CKKV4Z44A

>"Purple Leader, is that Raider gaining on us?"
>"MULTI-ENGINE DRIFTING"

>>52668376

YES.

>>52667872

The planet doesnt have solar panels built on it
It has huge hegaxonal solar panels attached via reinforced, solid space elevators on the equator on opposing sides.
Also an enormous ion engine out the back.

Two death star superlasers at the front.
An entire continent is rebuilt as the cockpit, as millions of people man the different systems.


It still doesnt have shields or hyperdrive.

>>52667872

Also, it's in the Aiborl system, built up on Aiborl Prime.

Nearby, in the Zkwint system, he's building another, this one designed to go faster and have 4 death star super lasers.

Slightly further away, there's the Dewp system, where he's slaving two planets together somehow side-by-side.

>>52668266
Tactician is funny as shit on those things- Stress the fuck out of everyone

You probably want a late-game cleaner or a support ship.

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>>52668480
God help us when SFS reaches its Experimental catalogue.

>>52668494

In the Byssaro system, a pair of planets are slaved together on either side of an enormour solar panel array. One side is given over entirely to a massive habitation dome for the crew, the other is a bigger, angrier, starkiller base

>>52668386
I can just imagine the Helmsman being a TIE Interceptor Ace that lost a leg when punching out and got the Helmsman position as his prosthetic leg isn't up for the stresses of void combat.

>>52668482
>>52668266
Thoughts on this epic fleet?

Raider- (Shield Technician, Tactician, 2x Quad Laser Cannons, Single Turbolaser, Cluster Bombs, Optimized Generators, Instigator)-136

Major Stridan- (Sensor Jammer, Operations Specialist, Intelligence Agent, Hyperwave Comm Scanner, Pattern Analyzer)-43

6x Omega Squadron Pilot- (Crack Shot, Weapons Guidance)-120


299/300

Thoughts?

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Does /swg/ read any EU books?

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>>52668402
>no shields or hyperdrive
>Needs a Star Destroyer of its own to travel abroad
>Star Destroyer needs to hold 71 more of the TIE planets if it's a scaled up ISD
Sounds like Tarkin's wet dream.

>>52667739
>>52667803
I was wondering that, my guess would be yes. The huge ships in XWM are on a different scale to the rest, and it seems likely that someone at EA didnt take that into account when designing it for the game

>>52668266
For hardpoints I like taking quad lasers for some range 1 firepower and an ion cannon battery on the aft. The big blindspot on the raider is right at the rear so the ion battery helps stop speedy ships flying straight for it.
Optimized generators is a good modification, basically lets you charge a hardpoint for free every turn

>>52668899

Now now, lets be reasonable.
How about a Gozanti an AU long which carries four of them underneath?

>>52668669
That's a decent offense, although the raider might struggle to turn around and be useful unless you set up facing an opposing corner. The Op-Spec+Quad Lasers+Tactician will likely be very annoying to go against.

>>52668805
Too fucking right we do mate
Do you have a specific question about them or are you just wondering more generally

>>52669022
Im wondering which books in particular you guys like.

>>52668956
So 2 quad lasers at the front, and an Ion cannon in the back? I was thinking turbolaser in the back, to deal with huge ships better, and due to tactician shenanigans involving my front arc.

Are any of the Cargo or Team options worth it on a Raider?

>>52669064

Rogue Squadron, Wedge's Gamble, The Krytos Trap, The Bacta War, Wraith Squadron, Iron Fist, Solo Command, Isard's Revenge, Starfighters of Adumar, and Mercy Kill.

>>52669064
Clearly Jedi Prince is the best book, as it has graced us with Trioculus,

We await the Coruscant Invitational this weekend for his agent, Chumbalaya, to add Trioculus to X-wing!

>>52668805

I did once.
Then NJO happened and wouldn't stop.
This was worsened by me having to wait for translations back then.

>>52669064

Thrawn Trilogy was cool.

>>52669064
X-wing, Thrawn Trilogy, and the Han Solo trilogy are the most accepted/praised series.

>>52669092
My next.book is Isards Revenge in that series. Kinda shitty they spoiled it in the title.

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>>52669114
>>52669104
>>52669099
What are your opinions on the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. I enjoyed the political and millitary aspects of it and even Landos ghost.ship adventure but dear god the Luke chapters were hell.

>>52669133

Yeah I always thought that was an odd choice.
Then again, she had a million subordinates and backup plans, so it could well have been something that she set in motion years before which finally bore fruit.

But yeah, kinda weird choice.

>>52669114
Also the Hand of Thrawn duology and RotS novelization. HoT is a great end-point for Legends and feels like a heartfelt farewell to the golden days of that continuity. Stover's RotS novelization was breddy gud and genuinely better than the movie. Stover did the fight scenes well and provided some good, reasonable explanations for some of the stuff that happened in the film.

>>52669203
Yeah i have the HOT duo but im planning on reading past that into NJO. Which i know is gonna be a slog prolly but im a star wars fag and wanna explore the continuity and characters.

>>52668805

I definitely read that book, fuck yeah.

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I do have a soft spot for this, it was my first EU.

>>52669155

It's been literally two decades.
I remember the political and military bits and none of the Luke.

>>52669326
>and none of the luke
Best that way.

>>52669155
>I enjoyed the political and millitary aspects of it and even Landos ghost.ship adventure but dear god the Luke chapters were hell.
It was a credible attempt at a Tom Clancy style thriller in the SW universe, aside from the Luke plot, as you say

X-Wing mechanics question:
Say your opponent is flying Biggs and Wedge. They're in range 1 of each other so Biggs ability is active. You've got an HWK with a synced turret, deadeye, a target lock on Wedge, and a focus token.
Can you elect to not activate deadeye, trigger your turret with the target lock, and shoot at Wedge, or do you have to use deadeye to trigger it with your focus token and shoot at Biggs?

>What are your favorite smaller moments from the Original Trilogy?

In ESB on Bespin, after Han has been frozen, when Boba Fett is going back to his ship with two guards pushing the carbonite slab, there's a shot where Luke is hiding behind a wall and draws his blaster while Fett and the guards are walking behind. If you look at Fett in the background you can see him turning his head toward Luke when he draws.

Call me a mandofag if you want, but I've always thought that was pretty cool.

>>52669155
The Luke plot was a WP grenade thrown into a dumpster full of grease and week-old dipers, but the rest was OK
I somewhat disliked it's attempt to create it's own set of presumably-standard NR ships for future books, but that's purely my own personal thing

>>52669398
According to FFG's developers, Biggs does not force you to use 'may' abilities that declare him as the target.

Example 1: If a TIE Bomber with Deadeye and Proton Torpedoes has a focus and a target lock on an enemy ship that is in range 1 of Biggs (Biggs is in arc and at the same range as his buddy) does it have to use Deadeye to take the shot at Biggs instead of his target locked buddy?

: No. The TIE bomber could choose to not use the first effect of Deadeye (as it is a may effect to treat "Attack (target lock)" as Attack (focus)”). In that example, by choosing to use Proton Torpedoes, the only valid attack you have with that weapon is the other ship so Biggs’s ability does not come into effect.

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>>52668386
>Captain of the Raider grabbed any available surface as Ensign Duke mumbled
>"Hold my beer and watch this shit"

Now Lil' Cousin may be a Duke back on his planet, considering his knack for gettin' into trouble, but out here a raider's engines can make some male appendages harder than linear algebra without an astromech

>>52669470
You hated the new ships? Sure some of the first designs were terribad but loved most of them.

halp my friends got me the two core sets and i like the empire and i don't know what to buy to have two different imperial 100 pt setupsand miniature market is having a spring cleaning

>>52669702
Is English not your first language? I speak Russian and Spanish as well if that will be any help.(it doesn't look like those are Russian/Spanish oriented mistakes though)

If English is your first language, clean up your text- It's difficult to understand.

>>52669702
The empire ships MM has for their spring sale (Tie Punisher and Tie/FO) aren't bad but they're mostly good for cards - the Twin Ion Engine and Omega Leader cards respectively.

for starting out you can basically go with anything. Depending on what you want to spend an Interceptor, Imperial Aces or Imperial Veterans are good stuff.

>>52669064
Dark Rendevous and Shatterpoint are the best Clone Wars era books.

Anything by Zahn - Thrawn Trilogy, Spectre of the Past, Vision of the Future, and Outbound Flight.
Survivors Quest is also solid.

>>52669818
Have you read the Medstar duology? Its like MASH but star wars.

>>52669230
Not all the NJO is bad. I know that's an unpopular opinion but I liked some of the Vong stories.

>>52669702
Imperial Veterans x2
Tie Defender Expansion
Tie/fo Expansion
Tie Punisher Expansion (Note: You're mainly getting this for Twin Ion Engine Mk. II, not to use the Punisher)
Tie Advanced Prototype
Imperial Aces
Tie Interceptor

This will give you everything you need for a nice Triple Defender list and the old Imp Aces list. Defenders have been nerfed recently, but it's not a nerf that destroys them, you just actually have to try to fly them intelligently now.

>>52669545

I wonder what the Imperial equivalent to Wraith Squadron is like. Not like, Baron Fel whips 181 into shape but the actual misfits and near washouts who are somehow also freakishly good at what they do.

Or perhaps they're like the A-Team or something, had to get kicked out of proper service, but still cruise the galaxy, righting wrongs, helping people, sometimes even fighting their own government if their corrupt.

>>52669842
I have! My bad for forgetting, it's been forever. I remember liking those a lot too.

>>52669845
What are the big Highlights of it?

>>52669064
>X-Wing/Wraith Squadron series
>Thrawn Trilogy + Duology
>MedStar Duology
>Shatterpoint
>All of Karen Traviss' Clone Wars stuff

>>52669873
Yeah Medstar was quite enjoyable. Seeing doctors in and out of the medical room. Along with Barris getting some development. (Until she goes full jihad)

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>>52669867
Guess if they're still technically 'in' Imperial service, the dirty dozen full of murderers, thieves, crazies and other scoundrels could make for some fearsome opponents.
Plus, any time PC's come up against someone with even less scruples than themselves is a cause for dread.

>>52669867

Eh, the kind of washouts the Empire is gonna have are gonna be the kind who actually get washed out.

And then probably join the rebellion, honestly

>>52667542
I want to get four and call them Reaver Squadron

>>52669072
Sorry, I wrote that poorly. The fore only has one hardpoint so I stick a quad laser cannon on it, and on the aft I put another quad laser and an ion cannon battery. Ive only played a few games with it but it works for me, the primary is 4 dice at R2-4 and can fire twice so youre pretty good for firepower there. Without the quads youve got no R1 guns, which leaves you open to smaller ships doing close range attack runs. Single turbolasers are good for shooting huge and large ships at range but dont forget everything doubles its agility against them and they cant shoot at R1 or 2.

Depends on how you play it really, I tend to ram it into opponents formations to break them apart and get them to shoot it instead of the rest of my squad. The last game I played was against a CR-90 with turbolasers, it hit me hard at long range but the fore shields took the punishment and with recover actions it came out basically ok. After the raider closed in the CR-90 took a lot of damage and couldnt return it due to it being equiped for long range fighting.

Ive been meaning to try a turbolaser on the fore to make the most out of its range, mixed with the primary shooting at R2 and anything closeer at risk of getting rammed I can see it working quite well.

As for crew and team, backup shield generator has saved me a few times and with engineering team its basically a free shield every time you do a straight. I like gunnery team as well.

>>52669072
>due to tactician shenanigans involving my front arc.
Can you explain that? I've only recently started looking into Epic play stuff.

>>52670186
That's just an oddity involving Tactician- Tactician only checks if the defender is in your arc at range 2. IT can still technically trigger on range 1 attacks on turret ships, and the like.

>>52670350
Ah, part of the enemy ship's base just has to be in the range 2 band.

>>52669855
Why two of the Imperial Veterans pack? Thanks for the listing by the way.

>>52670448
>>52670350
Does measuring range work differently for Huge ships? Rulebook says you measure to the closest part of the target ship's base. As per normal rules, if part of the target's base is at range 1 and part at range 2, the attack is at range 1.

>>52670493
It only comes with two of the Defender titles that make them so competitive. Feel free to only get the one if you don't intend to run 3 Defenders.

>>52670535
The attack is, but the ship is also inside of your firing arc at range 2.

>>52670554
ok, I went and reread Tactician. I understand what you're saying.

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>>52670448
sortof.

Here's the explanation from the FAQ..

If the closest part of the ship's base that is within your firing arc is at range 2, tactician triggers.

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>>52670582
>>52670554
>>52670535

<-The raider's arc looks like this

That means you can technically trigger tactician with a long-range shot, if you are shooting from the back and into the overlapping area.

>>52669880
Allston wrote a few Vong stories featuring the Wraiths, which were pretty entertaining. Lando at some point during the Vong War also thought it would be funny to build a droid army with his own voice coded in just to piss off the Vong, IIRC.

And of course, the events of Mercy Kill wouldn't have gone down if not for the Vong. So as shitty as the Vong invasion stories were, we at least got Scut, the best Wraith of his generation.

Going to try out my Slingshot Striker list tomorrow but i can't decide on what filler TIEs to use. Which one of these would you guys choose?

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!227:186,46,183,-1,212:45:-1:;239:27:48:17:;10::-1:-1:;10::-1:-1:;10::-1:-1:&sn=Slingshot%20Striker%20%2B%20Academy%20x3

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!227:186,46,183,-1,212:45:-1:;239:27:48:17:;23::-1:-1:;23::-1:-1:&sn=Slingshot%20Striker%20%2B%20Alpha%20x2

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Galactic%20Empire&d=v4!s!227:186,46,183,-1,212:45:-1:;239:27:48:17:;184:153:-1:-1:;184:153:-1:-1:&sn=Slingshot%20Striker%20%2B%20FO%20x2

Anybody here play X-wing on TTS?
I'd like to get a semi-competitive game tomorrow if anyone's up for it.

>>52670145
ah, that explains it- the squad builder I was using had it incorrectly listed as 2 in the front, 1 in the back.

Now I'm thinking- I could swap that Turbolaser and 1 point bid to an Ion Cannon battery and a Backup Shield Generator, which could be useful.

Is that worth it? The rest of the squad would be 6 Omegas with Crack Shot and a support Upsilon Shuttle.

Is that enough anti-Low-agility, or do I still want the Turbolaser?

>>52667542
If you like flying the advanced its almost required. I painted the engines and called it a day

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Jesus Christ all this fucking X-Wing talk. Please let one of those pt appologist or tfa haters come back

>>52667403
Reposting cause i didnt see the nueva

What's a setting that will spice up an encounter?

Two I want to use in my campaign:

-Ship crashes into water. Crew has to make their way out of the sinking ship , fight off enemies doing the same, and manage to avoid drowning.

-mine cart-like chase involving standing on top of star wars-ified speeder cart and fighting bad guys. Jumping from cart to cart

>>52670920
>people talking about Star Wars games in a Star Wars thread on a game board
>hurr this is worse than trolling!

I fell for some bait there didn't I?

>>52670920
Don't wish that on us, just start up a discussion about something else Star Wars

>>52670617

I love how the "anti-fighter" corvette has no rear and no ventral coverage.

>>52670874
I already have a copy of the advanced title and ATC, I'm just wondering if the raider is any fun.

Also, I wanted to be able to run a multi-player campaign, and it looks like the new BF will be able to do most of the writing for me.

>>52671007
I guess it's just supposed to be very good at going fast and dumping lasers into fighters?

But yeah, If I do get one, I'm going to mod it to have some underslung guns.

Probably a pair of flak cannons from a DUST walker that are repainted.

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>>52668266
Tarkin is always good.

I like taking them with Ordinance tubes and then 3 x homing missile. Title that gives TLs when you kill something, weapons engineer, engine booster, Admiral Chiraneau, ordinance experts, gunnery teams, etc.

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So my local game store is running a demo of Armada tomorrow.
Any hot tips I should know?

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So in an FnD game me and another player are about to have a 'friendly' lightsaber duel with training emitters.We're both roughly 120 XP in. He's an Ataru Striker with a double lightsaber, I'm an Armorer with a standard lightsaber. What are the odds on me not getting demolished.

>>52669451
Shit, man, I never would've noticed that.

>>52671348
Navigate command is your friend

>>52671342
The more I've been thinking of Tarkin (discussion started earlier in the thread or maybe in the last thread, can't remember) the more I'm thinking he's a card that feels overcosted when you take him, and feels indispensable when you don't.

>>52666922
This sums up my thoughts on RO perfectly.

>>52667069
It's not. Only worse pieces of Legends do this or the new canon, which really isn't leaving room for subtlety or for good storytelling in a dynamic, intriguing universe. Instead we get very, very kid friendly "good vs. evil" with no room in between. It doesn't help the Empire that every Newcanon writer we keep getting seems to have a Twitter account full of memes about how much they hate "LOL DRUMPF XD" and "LOL BIGUTREE" either, so they blend their idiotic real-world views into a fictional universe and try to apply them where they don't belong.

I need NPCs to fill out my players' unit for an upcoming AoR game
They're part of a recon/raiding/shock assault unit being thrown at various minor warlords in 11-12 Legends ABY
And before you ask, yes I've seen and read generation kill

>>52671591

Here we go again.

>>52668805
I did, but holy shit was it hard to find anything good. Like sifting through a mountain of elephant dung to find a chocolate bar. For every Thrawn we had five NJOs or Black Fleets.

>>52668805
>>52671627
The Solo children should be in an advertisement for birth control.

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>>52670621
>Lando at some point during the Vong War also thought it would be funny to build a droid army with his own voice coded in just to piss off the Vong, IIRC.
That's great.

>>52671591
Dude fuck off don't bring that shit here especially since you are quoting an idiot. R1 did not show the imperials as chronic backstabbers. Krennic and Tarkin had a personal hate for each other and you would know this if you weren't a casual and read Catalyst.

>>52671687
>reading Catalyst

I'd rather read a bison's shitstain on the cover of a cum-covered magazine page, because that's how quality of reading material Catalyst is.

>>52671687
But Imperial officers are supposed to be backstabbers; it's an allusion to the Nazi structure where they were pitted against each other to afford Hitler that much more control over the whole.

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>>52671591

>>52671705
Wow not my fault you are a casual brainlet.

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>>52671719

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>>52671743
>Reddit Letter Media

>>52671743
George Lucas was not a subtle man

>>52671743
It's objectively true
The depiction of imperial officers as >>52671735
exactly that has been extremely consistent since literally ANH

>>52671757
>implying it's wrong

>>52671760
George Lucas didn't even think Star Wars would be a success, and never planned a larger-scope story with any careful allegories or deeper meanings or messages. He bullshitted his way through 6 movies making everything up as he went along, relying on rhyming poetry to carry him through. While the result worked well, Lucas himself never did and probably never will understand anything about his own universe, and that's left up to the fans since he has no clue. The Empire wasn't some kind of allegory to Nazis, they were intended to be generic bad guys akin to those seen in Indiana Jones, which inspired a lot of what Star Wars did. There's no political meaning or message, they're just meant to be bog-standard antagonists in George's eyes, so when people say "But anon! George meant for the Empire to be evil, so they must be evil! They have to be one-dimensional mustache twirlers because George intended it for the bigger story!" No, fuckwad. George had no clue what he was even doing. I love Star Wares, but it wasn't the work of a genius, it was a happy and very fortunate accident from a man who made one last effort to make a movie that he believed would be an overwhelming failure that ended up being one of the best scifi fictions ever made, and he bullshitted his way from there.

>>52671849

>N-no the empire being 2 dimensionally evil in every single representation that's utterly canon is becuase Lucas is a hack! The empire are actually the heroes!

>>52671849
Your paragraph is big, but has little substance. Much like the Empire.

>>52671849
>careful allegories or deeper meanings or messages.
I'm not calling it a careful allegory or deeper meaning. Lucas wanted the Empire to read as the bad guys as blatantly as he could, so he tried to make them like Nazis. He did it because it was the laziest way he could do so.

>>52671849
Star Wars. I don't know why the typos are strong today.

>>52671782
No, it isn't. I rewatched ANH and ESB very recently, and it's nothing like that. The Imperial officers are all dedicated, hard-working men who suffer because Vader is a prick. When Vader isn't around, it's hard to even view the Imperial officers as villains. Even when a captain fucks up and everyone around him is worried about Vader's actions, said captain promises his men he will assume full responsibility and take the blame for them. Sure, Vader kills him, because Vader's the villain. The Empire is only a tool in the OT for the villain to use. It in and of itself is not evil, and if you removed Vader, Tarkin, and Palpatine from those movies, I guarantee you it would be impossible to view the Rebels in a favorable light, because then you're left with a bunch of dudes trying to do their job and fight for what they believe in against dissident rebels.

>>52670921
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Starfall_(adventure)

"Nine hundred meters of twisted, battle-torn Star Destroyer stand between imprisoned Rebel heroes and freedom in this disaster-filled Star Wars adventure.

Captured by Imperials, a small group of Rebel heroes find themselves trapped within the detention block of a Victory-class Star Destroyer. Suddenly explosions rock the giant battleship as the Imperial vessel is attacked by an Alliance fleet. When the smoke clears, the Rebel objective is obvious -- escape by any means possible!

But the attack has left the Star Destroyer a battered wreck, its crew scattered and its power fading. What dangers await the Rebels deep within the smoldering ruins of this once-great vessel? What Imperial devices remain to prevent their exit? Only those with courage and conviction will attempt to find out. Only those with strength and luck can hope to survive. "

It's a really fun setting AND adventure module.

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>>52671886
>>52671888

>>52671897

I mean, if you removed Hitler, Goebbels, Goring and the others at the top, I guarantee you it would be impossible to view the Allies in a favourable light, becuase then you're left with a bunch of dudes trying to do their job and fight for what they believe in.

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>>52671943

>>52671849
>The Empire wasn't some kind of allegory to Nazis, they were intended to be generic bad guys akin to those seen in Indiana Jones,
Weren't some of his villains nazis?

>>52671849
>they're supposed to be generic bad guys like in Indiana Jones, not Nazis
>bad guys of 2/3 of the decent Indiana Jones movies are literally Nazis
Hello, police? I think I'm being trolled

>>52671950
is this godwin's law?

because i think that means the argument is automatically lost

>>52669880
There's lots of character development. It's a big scale conflict, and it shows. It's not as minimalistic as a lot of the EU is. The battle of Coruscant and the defence of Borleias especially is goat. Borleias is written by Aaron Allston and is pretty good indeed.
Then you've got ganners last stand, and Vergere who was, well, an interesting character untill they retconned her in series.

>>52671897
I'm saying the system Imperial officers operate in is set up, by Palpatine, to pit them against each other for his sole benefit. They are being victimized by Palpatine.

>>52671982
>>52671971

They're similar to Nazis because George was lazy and didn't want to think of anything new, so he just made a militaristic force and called their main guys stormtroopers.

>>52671971
They were in 1 and 3.

>>52671373
Since you guys are using training emitters, you actually have an okay chance since your Soak isn't being completely ignored and his Parry(s) won't count for much.

>>52671897

>If you remove the man telling the soldiers to do bad things, then the soldiers wouldnt do bad things.

So why do they do the bad things when told to, if theyre such decent peple just doing their jobs?

Why, when a man says "Destroy this planet full of billions of innocent people" did none of them go "Hang on, I signed up to join the empire to make a bit of money for my wife and to put my kids through college on mrlsst, I didnt sign up to blow up entire planets of people".
Because they're in the empire.
And most of the people in the empire are morally bankrupt or easily lead into committing atrocities.
Either way, they're definitely not the heroes.

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>>52671990
I'm not sure godwin's law applies when the argument is about how much a group is intended to represent nazis.

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>>52671849
>akin to those seen in Indiana Jones, which inspired a lot of what Star Wars did.

A New Hope: 1977
Raiders of the Lost Ark: 1981

>>52671999
Only the highest ranks. Moffs and above. Palpatine kept it that way as to promote distrust, though not hatred or hostility, between very high-ranking figures after a group of Imperials shortly after the Clone Wars ended tried to assassinate him to de-Sith the Empire. The lower ranks were unaffected, the highest ranks kept this way to keep them from banding together to take Palpatine down. Your regular Captain or Admiral would be completely business as usual.

>>52672006
Well back then WW2 vets would knock your teeth out if you said Nazis weren't villains deserving of mockery.

>>52672038
Yes, exactly. Which is how it's portrayed in Rogue One.

>>52671999
>>52672038
Hasn't it been that way since the 1e WEG Imperial sourcebook?

>>52672072
I've been arguing that Lucas has always had it that way because he's lazy and borrowing it from the Nazis to make the Empire more obviously the bad guys.

>>52672038
It's more than just the highest ranks, it's prevalent in the Empire as a whole.

>>52672037
Lucas was working on drafts of Indiana Jones around the time before ANH.

>>52672032
Except they're not. They use some designs of Nazis, but they aren't Nazis. The fucking Rebel blaster rifle is modeled off the STG-44. Does that mean the Rebels are Nazis?

>>52672023
Alderaan was a strategic, priority target long before it was destroyed. The Empire had plans to invade it after it was discovered Alderaan was providing political, strategic, and military aid to the Rebellion, as well as harboring hundreds of thousands of Rebel supporters, agents, troops, and even many of its leaders. Tarkin and Vader believed that sieging Alderaan would take too long, however, as Alderaan possessed one of the finest defense systems in the Core Worlds. Tarkin then pleaded his case to Palpatine, suggesting the Death Star be used. While it would be at great cost, it would save the Empire many lives and lots of war material, as well as rid the Rebels of one of their major strongholds, if not their most prominent one of all. After Leia repeatedly lied to Tarkin and caused evermore trouble for him, he had enough and ordered its destruction. Some did indeed disagree with it, and even Palpatine was very hesitant to authorize its destruction, but with all things considered, Tarkin had a point, and Vader reasoned that while it would cost many lives and a whole planet, it was something that had to be done, because Alderaan was an active, militant supporter of the Rebellion, and so it was done. While the effort backfired and while millions of innocent people died, it wasn't a mustache-twirling evil for the sake of evil moment. Heaps of consideration went into it, and Alderaan was already a target, and it took a lot of convincing for Palpatine to even greenlight the attack. Their suspicion was confirmed when a Rebel fleet assaulted the Death Star before it even reached Alderaan. The destruction of Alderaan is much, much, much, much less cut and dry than some people try to say.

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>>52672135

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Is there an audiobook for the new Thrawn book yet? if it is, can I have a link to a download? audiobooks aren't in the OP

>>52672135

Oh hey its you, the guy who thinks the casual murder of billions of people isnt literally genocide and an inherently despicable act.

>>52672111
Only if you believe the idea that Palpatine tried to promote misery in the Empire to feed the Dark Side, which is not only very stupid but also a completely baseless, sourceless fringe fan theory.

>>52672147
You must travel to the /co/bar system, there your will find pastebinda.

>>52672169
I've been reading Thrawn and there's so much fuckery in the Empire that Thrawn himself is nearly done. There's a few cool officers though.

>>52672022
I forgot that training emitters don't ignore soak, that means i'll be pretty tanky, but that linked quality will hurt if he can get it off consistently

>>52672169
No? You just have to believe it's a system that can easily be taken advantage of by backstabbing assholes, who get promoted over the shattered careers of otherwise upstanding officers.

>>52672160
Was nuking two Japanese cities to save millions of American lives evil, genocidal, and despicable? You have to look at it from the perspective of a galaxy where many planets have tens of billions, hundreds of billions, or even a trillion or more people, and that's considered normal populations. On the galactic scale, Alderaan's destruction was equivalent to bombing Nagasaki in terms of proportionate losses, and the entire planet was basically an enemy combatant. Sure, it's terrible that innocent people did die, but not everyone there was innocent, and many were indirectly responsible for Imperial casualties elsewhere in the galaxy thanks to their aid.

>the guy

This is something that has been debated by many fans since 1977. There's no one person only who thinks about this and why it may or may not have been as bad as others think. Fucking watch Clerks, even they did a thing on it.

>>52672205
Linked? I thought he had two sabers, not a double-bladed.

>>52672220
Alderaan wasn't a military target.

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>ITT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQdDRrcAOjA

>>52672220
Tarkin was a genocidal monster. Piett did nothing wrong.

>>52672244
Yes, it was.

>>52672220

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were warned, repeatedly, beforehand and Japan's surrender called for.
Also, this was after years of actual declared open war.


So no, theyre nothing alike at all, and you're grasping.
You might have a point if the whole of Japan had been nuked, leaving only a few hundred japanese elsewhere surviving on Earth.
But no.

The Empire (regularly) committed genocide, and the Alderaanians were just the most obvious and widely seen act.

>>52672220
>Was nuking two Japanese cities to save millions of American lives evil, genocidal, and despicable?
The situation is not comparable, and I was waiting for you to try and throw this out like it even begins to.

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>>52672271
If only saying it made it so!

>>52672272
Do you think he'll try to defend enslaving the Geonosians and then genociding them next?

>>52672135
No he wasn't. He started the star wars drafts in '71 and the Indiana Jones draft in '73. You are better off stating that both are derivative of serial fiction, where the villains were one-dimensionally evil.

>Alderaan was a strategic, priority target long before it was destroyed.
No it wasn't, stop telling lies. It was an imperial member state and an important core world. Alderaan is the equivalent of the EU nuking Britain eight years ago because they had thought about brexit.

>>52672305

Well i mean the Geonosians were obviously all evil and said mean things about the Emperor's mum, so they had to be wiped out to the last.

>>52672220
The bombing of Alderaan was more like if the US was funding China and, when Japan found out, they decided to destroy every US population center on the North American continent.

Or what >>52672311 said.

>>52672305
T-they were destroyed in a mining accident!

>>52672225
My bad I should have clarified, he has a double bladed saber.

>>52672320
I really want an image of Krennic getting turbolasered with a smiling Poggle the Lesser superimposed over it

>>52672347
Ah, yeah. Do whatever you can to deny him advantage, then.

>>52672272
The Rebellion declared open war on the Empire years before Alderaan got blasted. The Galactic Civil War was technically ongoing when it happened.

Leia was given multiple chances to turn over the true location of the main Rebel base and to surrender intel to the Empire. She refused, repeatedly, and even when Tarkin has her planet in his sights, she still lies, giving him the location of an abandoned Rebel base on Dantooine. He calls her bluff, knows she's lying because he knows the base on Dantooine is gone, and blows it up.

The Empire did not "regularly" commit Genocide. I can think of four examples of intentional mass killings between 16BBY and 8ABY. All done either during wartime in retaliation or on military targets. Alderaan was both reasons and one of those events.

>>52672280
It's completely comparable. Alderaan, part of the Empire, was supporting the Rebellion, which was in declared war with the Empire militarily. That's considered an act of war by anyone with a basic sense of diplomacy and international relations. Alderaan had a mighty defensive system. Alderaan housed Rebel leadership. It was a very viable target, and an invasion had been planned way before Tarkin decided to give it the green kaboom.

>>52672368
>The Rebellion declared open war on the Empire years before Alderaan got blasted. The Galactic Civil War was technically ongoing when it happened.

Wrong war was declared in Rogue One.

>>52672368
>He calls her bluff, knows she's lying because he knows the base on Dantooine is gone
I dunno, he sounded pretty fucking surprised when the scouts reported in regarding dantooine.

>>52672368

>it's okay, its genocide as part of war

Man you really are retarded, huh.

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>>52672368
>The Empire did not "regularly" commit Genocide. I can think of four examples of intentional mass killings between 16BBY and 8ABY
>not "regularly"
>4 cases in 24 years

>>52672320
Because the Geonosians were fighting the Empire every step of the way and had plans to continue fighting them and using advanced tech of theirs against them, and many supported the Rebels. Geonosians were murderous, savage, bloodthirsty assholes. They didn't deserve to be wiped out, but they weren't exactly undeserving of something done to them.

>>52672335
It's more like if China finds out that Japan is sending troops to fight them in a war they're in against the US, while harboring US leaders, while sending the US aid, while killing Chinese forces, then kicking their shoot in the dirt and giving a mischievous look and saying "Noooo, what're you talking about? I didn't do aaaaanything wrong! I'm with you!", and then a Japanese leader who is a military supporter of the US is captured and, while knowing China will bomb Japan, repeatedly lies to and tries to fuck them over, until finally China snaps and nukes mainland Japan as a message.

These real world examples are getting out of hand, but holy fuck, Alderaan was not innocent, it was not peaceful, and it was not a supporter of the Empire.

>>52672412
We're literally arguing with Hux

>>52672391
War was declared by (IIRC) the Declaration of Rebellion and the subsequent formation of the Alliance to Restore the Republic, and I believe it was 5 or 6BBY that that occurred, with Mon Mothma publicly declaring Palpatine to have unlawfully usurped the Republic and declaring a war of secession against the Empire with the casus beli of restoring the Republic government.

>>52672395
Yeah, though the point is he did find out.

>>52672412
It wasn't genocide, it was large-scale mass-killing strikes similar to the bombings of Japanese cities in WWII. It was an unfortunate consequence of a Galactic-wide civil war. If you haven't noticed, bad shit happens in a civil war. Every single time one happens.

>>52672417
Two of them were against either Rebel targets that were providing military support to the Rebellion or to a race that planned to war against the Empire to the last man, the Geonosians.

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>>52672474
>Yeah, though the point is he did find out.

>>52672418
>>52672474
Hux can you get off the holonet, Snoke needs you it's time to blow up the New Republic. Stop rationalizing shit and make a speech up.

>>52672482
How exactly? If the thing is that Tarkin knew about Dantooine, it doesn't matter how surprised he was. He knew.

>and let's not even talk about leia putting the rebellion above her planet and the lives of everyone on it despite knowing full well what would happen

>>52672220
How does bombing a 2 cities equal removing a whole culture and planet from the face of a map?

>>52672501
You said he called her bluff and used that to justify the destruction of Alderaan. Except he didn't call her bluff, he believed her when she named Dantooine, and he destroyed Alderaan anyway. Then mocked her for trusting him.

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>>52672429
>>52672500

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>>52672474
>It wasn't genocide, it was large-scale mass-killing strikes similar to the bombings of Japanese cities in WWII.

No it's not.

Here anon.
Does the wiping out of entire cultures and species, reducing them to literally one geonosian, as per Rebels, or a few thousand Alderaanians galaxy wide as per old EU - does that sound like pic related?

Becuase protip. it's exactly like pic related/

>>52672524
Except no, he didn't.

He outright says it, Dantooine is too remote. His tone, his mannerism, and the later confirmation that she lied make it pretty obvious that he didn't believe her in the first place.

You know, if people stop taking the bait, this faggot will eventually get bored and go somewhere else

>>52672560
No, he believed her, and we know he did because he was genuinely surprised to learn that Dantooine wasn't the location of the Rebel base. "She _lied_ to me!"

>>52672563

If nothing else, it's kinda interesting seeing the range at which he can grasp straws.

>>52672563
He's making me laugh though. If it's just annoying everyone else I'll stop feeding him.

>>52672563
Yeah stop taking the bait guys, I have a opera to go see on Hosnian Prime soon

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>>52672366
Excellent, I'll let you know how it goes.

>>52672412
>>52672417
>>52672537
Let's try this.

You're an Empire. You know a planet that's supposedly loyal to you is supporting an enemy that declared war on you.

Because of their military and strategic and political aid, it has helped countless enemies score successes against you and inflict casualties on you.

Their leadership is directly responsible for the recent theft of one of your weapons projects.

The planet in question is heavily defended and fortified.

You have a weapon capable of destroying it in one shot, but everyone there dies.

Or you can send in an invasion fleet, face millions of casualties for both you and the enemy, then place them under occupation, during which their leadership, known to be treacherous and tricky, may try to infiltrate you again or flee to other planets.

You want to show force, to make it known that enemies can't mess with you.

You are a Grand Moff and have the final authority on how to proceed with this planet.

What do YOU do?

>>52672614
Like, I'd suggest spending your advantage to give him setbacks.

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>>52672563
>>52672595
>>52672604
>>52672609

>ahhahahah this faggot has a viewpoint on something in a fictional story world that's different from mine what a faggot grasping baiter ahahahaha

>>52672617


>planet of billions
>one, and her crew, are confirmed rebel agents

You execute those few.
It's called 'not committing genocide'.

I realise that reasonable response might be anathema to you, but that's why youre the retard.

>>52672644
Kylo you and your dumbo ears go back to your crispy vader helmet the adults are talking

>>52672617
Well if I'm a Grand Moff of the Empire then by the nature of the Empire and its systems I must be evil so I pick the evil option and destroy the planet.

>>52672652
I myself might go so far as to enact a blockade that I won't lift until the planet coughs up its rebels.

>>52672588
This has always been a tricky subject. The ANH Novelization and several other published works around the time suggested the idea that Tarkin didn't believe her. Yes, he was angered to know she'd so blatantly lied, but that his reaction was delayed. It wasn't that he just found out, it was that he knew she lied and was forced to carry out the destruction, and that it still wouldn't make her tell the truth, and Tarkin was upset by this. This goes well with Tarkin's general EU character, which is that of a war-scarred leader who thinks peace is the ultimate objective, but is willing to sacrifice anything to see peace achieved.

However, it gets tricky because novelizations are always loose at best in terms of consistency with the movies and overall lore, so really, what Tarkin thought and whether he believed her or not is up to debate.

>>52672604
>If it's just annoying everyone else I'll stop feeding him.
Could you? He will keep diverting threads to ego masturbation as long as you keep jacking him off, and other people want to do other things with these threads

>>52672683
Sadly, some people actually believe this.

>>52672652
You've tried that.

You know executing the leader and a few confirmed agents won't stop the main problem, that the entire planet is providing support to the enemy.

The issue arises when you realize many people on the planet do support you, but the majority don't, and the majority of this majority are militantly opposing you.

You can kill the leader you captured, but problems still keep coming from the planet, and the Emperor, your boss, demands the situation be resolved.

What do you do?

>>52672689
The planet is self-sustainable enough that your blockade has no effect, at least for now, and the planet is still managing to communicate with and assist enemies abroad.

Your action?

>>52672724
It's the same guy thread after thread stop feeding him.

>>52672724
/swg/ observations
>anyone with a pro-imperial opinion is in a hivemind
>anyone with a pro-imperial opinion is baiting
>anyone who talks about alderaan is baiting
>anyone who talks good of the empire is /pol/
>anyone who disagrees with a handful of posters is a threadwide disruptor and ego masturbator
>discussion is wrong and is baiting
>disagreement is baiting

ripe place for talking about a big and often loosely-defined fandom anon

>>52672724

Not him, but sure, i'll stop.
It'll never get anywhere anyway.

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Rate our Astromech. That's his thermal detonator. He does not like it when people try to take it.

>>52672724
>>52672746
Why is it even fucking bait to say you like the Empire or provide logical reasons that maybe Alderaan wasn't as bad as it seems?

You don't have to agree with it, you don't have to acknowledge it, but acting like someone seeing things differently than you is the end of the world and a blight on a thread on a Mongolian finger painting board is fucking dumb.

>>52672793
I almost thought he had a cape. Buy him a cape.

>>52672808
Not a bad suggestion. What style would suit him?

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>75+ posts on the same subject and the user count as only upped by 2

We're all samefagging posting our opinions to circlejerk ourselves and convince ourselves we're right and the other samefaggot(s) are wrong. Imperial, Rebel, we're all faggots in the end. I hope we can at least admit that.

>>52672840
Scumfag reporting in.

>>52672799
Because most people who do that sound like they have a victim complex.

>>52672862
CorpSec here. You looking for work?

>>52672876
Oh shit it's the feds

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>>52672907
HALT!!!!!!!!

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>>52667403
It's been forever since we've had a lightsaber thread. Post sabers and theorize about the Jedi/Sith that would wield them!

>www.saberparts.com

>>52672947
Why the difference in shin plates around the knees?

>>52672956
Either edgy or bought his parts wholesale.

>>52672956

I cant go to this site.
I spend an hour building my perfect saber, and then mope about the fact that I dont have the money to get it.

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Pieced this guy together a while back, wonder if they've added any new part options since then.

anyone know if the empire nationalizingn industries on planets with races they don't like is still cannon? I know it happenned to the herglics, according to saga d20, but did they nationalize a lot of industries or just weapons and ship manufacturing and only when they were owned by minorities? Politicall compass speaking, would you say they were communist or fascist?

>>52672947
>Rebels stormtroopers
Please no, they're so ugly

>>52672994
Values function over form. Makes do with what they have.

>>52672983
I know that feel, bro

>>52672994
Definitely wielded by an urban/metropolitan Guardian

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>>52672956
Ayyy

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>>52672947
Aren't you a little big for a Stormtrooper?

>>52673002
I'm fairly sure it still is, I think it gets a mention in Tarkin
Also, they're definitely vastly more fascistic then socialist, but I don't want to get this guy going on that topic, so let's leave it at that

>>52667542
Jesus christ, i cant believe that EA finally wrapped its head around the fact that they made a shit game.

As for your question, im personally not a fan of the epics in xwing, but if you want it, buy it. Thats your choice. It could add a ton of great theatricality to any force. I just think mechanically its really clunky.

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Made a thing

so nobody wants to play some TTS X-wing tomorrie?

>>52673645
I've got a date with Rifftrax Live tomorrow, anon.

>>52672745
Jam transmissions on a planetary scale and 'borrow' some of the higher-ranking family's friends and relatives from abroad and threaten them with them, and sneak in a force to either eliminate their means of production or the trouble figures. Tell the inhabitants that if they are not enemies of the empire, they need only show them that by procuring the problem children, and promise to repair any damages done afterwards, and hint at a not-insubstantial reward, while at the same time warn them of the consequences of continuing to refuse. Continue the blockade.
Fuck I'm not a strategist I dunno what the hell I'm doing

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>>52673099
What? Oh the uniform is for you

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>>52672956
How's it look?

>>52673797
It's not so easy when you're in Tarkin's shoes, is it? These Death Star or Alderaan argument comes up a lot but no one on either side of it ever thinks of just what it was like to be Tarkin and having to make such a decision. Maybe that'll give you better insight, whatever you think of it all.

>>52667967
That Imp looks like a woman wearing a fake mustache.

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>>52672617
>Spooks do a recce of strategic facilities, power supplies, planetary shields, gun emplacements, space stations, fleet disposition, troop numbers and locations.
>Prioritise the location of most valuable to least valuable, hardest to easiest targets.
>Lay of the land as far as people go, any factions, political forces, dissidents and sympathisers that might be able to be used.
>Find any holes in their defences where it may be possible to have the most troops landed and secure a toe hold
>Intel on transmissions where, to whom and why - if they're soft and static, fuck their shit up

Casualties? Yeah, there's going to be some and the simple thing is, they're going to have some too and over time and interdiction, we can roll in sectors worth of resources on ONE planet.

>Have targets laid out
>Send in plain clothes sedition forces via civilian transports and trade ships
>They will destabilise and pit any factions against one another- bribery, corruption, terrorism, assassination are age old tools that work well
>Let it rot for a while why you and him fight
>Plain clothes forces find the holes we need to pop shields, disable defence units and we just need ONE toe hold to get people in

Once the umbrella goes down, move in with force as massive as can be mustered and highly mobile, roll over their faces until they're screaming uncle
>Tactically we want more holes in defences from the Primary strike forces so more can be poured into secondary areas
>Leadership and concentrations of resistance need to be pounded extremely hard
>Secondary forces are on interdiction to stop reinforcement and aid coming in
>Secure supply lines, the real grinder begins

Pretty much how you invade a country, it'll work on a planet, its just bigger.

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R8 it.

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>>52674189
Needs more MPL-50, so you can shovel dirt and smash faces when you don't feel like lasering them

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/swg/, have you ever heard of the little-known Castner's Cutthroats and the Aleutian Island campaign of WWII?

I think they serve as a perfect example of how to handle an Imperial game - in an otherwise heavily regimented military, a group of wilderness trackers and scouts become an influential and irregular special forces group.

How would you play this in Star Wars?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castner%27s_Cutthroats

>>52674189
0/10

>>52674154

Well in old EU the empire was sexist.
How else is she supposed to get ahead?

>>52674155

>Rogue Squadron take Coruscant almost single handed
>Empire cant take a demilitarized and peaceful planet

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>>52674281
Yes, but they have writers that like them and it'll all work out in the end.
I'm just a being poor old Imperial trying to get a planet, maybe I'll go look at their art and culture for a while, maybe the writers will take pity on me and give me some plot armour

>>52674262
that seems fair

>>52674281
>Rebels have muh feelings
>Empire is big bad and evil :^(

>>52674347

Considering how often Rogue members die they dont have plot armour.
They have plot weaponry for days though.

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>>52674347
>Yes, but they have writers that like them
Imps, too, can have them. But what price are they willing to pay for that?

>>52674262
>>52674348
Let me rephrase: prequel/10

>>52674281
That's called writing favoritism. It occurs when an author is hugely erect by something in the canon and decides to jerk off his own ego and how awesome the thing is by having them shit on the opposition to make them look cool.

It happened in oldEU with Rogue Squadron a lot, especially due to the video games, but it also happened sometimes for the Empire. Still, when it happens, it's egregious and obvious, like how Jason "Fuck My Wife" Fry has a hard-on for Jan Dodonna, and has a battle that's totally realism not fansturbation bro!! in one of his books where a squadron of Jan's Y-Wings destroys multiple ISDs with ease, explained with overwhelming detail by him saying
>Jan is good
and that's it.

That's a gear grinder of mine with some of the EU. Parts of it feel less like novels set in Star Wars and more like Star Wars fanfiction, or masturbatory tripe for something the author is a fanboy of.

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>>52674240
Recon is a good thing... bad things happen without it.

>>52674406
Yeah well, considering the KIA to Kill ratios though they're kind of outrageously dangerous :)

>>52674415
Well I know how much I'd pay for a Traviss novel and its not very much.

>>52674497
>when you run over a mine and blame the canadians and the canadians blame you for blaming them

Tragic, but what a shitshow that sounds like.

>>52674406
>>52674497
The number of casualties Rogue Squadron inflicts are borderline laughable, and the writing to back it up is nonexistent. I pretty much ignored a lot of Rogue Squadron lore and the games as far as canon goes, even before the Great Canon Massacre.

So I've started running Edge of the Empire and I'm wondering if there's any /tg/ material, fixes or additions that I should really take a look at.

I've gotten a good grasp of the ground stuff but space combat still goes completely over my head, is anyone able to dumb it down to the basics for me?

Are there any go-to lists of examples for narrative uses of advantage/disadvantage/triumph/threat/destiny I could print off as reference?

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>>52674495
>destroys multiple ISDs with ease, explained with overwhelming detail by him saying
>>Jan is good
>and that's it
>mfw gold medals on Razor Rendezvous and Battle of Endor in Rogue Squadron 2
Maybe other pilots just need to git gud.

>>52674467
Now you've gone too far.

>>52671348
Seriously, navigating is great because its cheating. Every other command lets you do fun stuff, add more dice to your pool or repair damage or push squadrons around, but navigate lets you do hairpin turns you should not have been able to do.

Do you know if the demo is going to be just the core set or will there be anything added to it?

>>52674508
Yeah, the sad thing is no one ever fucking learns from it for very long and they still manage to completely balls it up in the modern day and age with satellites, drones, planes etc. Sometimes its just best to check it out nice and quiet before going in screaming with the rank and file.

Poor old 'nadians, they're easy to blame because they're so polite.

>>52674535
>>52674551
How canon were Star Wars games anyway?

From what I heard Lucas was always really relaxed as far as they went, though of course nerds on the fanwiki take every single event in them as gospel.

>>52674564
I think it might be just the core set? I have no idea.

about to watch R1 for first time.

>>52674609
RIP

>>52674609
May the force be with you

>>52674609
It's an alright film that looks amazing if you like Star Wars.

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>>52674609
You're in for a treat!

>>52674595
If it is the core set, keep in mind that the rebels cannot and will not be able to kill the Victory. You'll want to instead pick off his fighters, have your X-wings feast on the Vic, and swing your corvette around to his rear once he's extended far enough forward to make him feel like a fat transport. Avoiding conflict and securing a win by wiping his fighter force is enough to win the battle in that game. Also, if you're playing against the TIE squadron howlrunner you need all your fire to hit her in a single turn. She can scatter, completely nullifying an attack, but only has 3 health to absorb minor blows. Chipping away at her removes a lot of teeth in the TIE force.

That said, if you play imperials have fun running over loser corvettes and nebulons with babbies first star destroyer. Keep you nose pointed at them and enjoy front facing firepower that can outright one shot either ship if you roll well. Your sides are adorable and tickle more than they hurt though, so either use terrain or the board edge to keep yourself safe from a flanking attack. Also don't be afraid to fire off your anti squadron weaponry instead of firing your main battery unless you feel confident you have a kill with the main guns. taking down the X-wings can let your ties nibble on the enemy and puts things really heavily in your favor.

>>52674535
[JG 52 Laughing In The Distance]

>>52674535
Are you talking about the Rogue Squadron GAMES? Yes, those do need the numbers of really easily shot down enemies trimmed.

>>52674495
>>52674495
>Jason "Fuck My Wife" Fry has a hard-on for Jan Dodonna, and has a battle that's totally realism not fansturbation bro!! in one of his books where a squadron of Jan's Y-Wings destroys multiple ISDs with ease, explained with overwhelming detail by him saying
>>Jan is good
>and that's it.
Uh, that's more of an issue because the books Fry writes are quick summaries more "Adventure Seed" than actual novel.

>>52674415
God she went down the shitter so badly. And 501st was purely her being shit with only a sprinkling of "Shit because she doesn't understand characters written by others." which was a good chunk of why her post-Endor books were bad.

She managed to trash her OWN characters starting in Order 66.

And THAT is impressive.

>>52674133
christ shut the fuck up,

Tarkin literally destroyed Alderaan to fuck with Leia, and taunted her during the genocide of billions of people. At no point did he mull over the moral implications of what he was doing he went "gotcha bitch" and blew up her planet.

I'm with like parts of the Empire but advocating Tarkin's choices as anything but monstrously evil is the cringest of edgy sperg

>>52674957
Yeah, it was a show of force and nothing more.

Age of Rebellion game starting soon, I decided to make a droid ace/gunner, but I've never played a droid in the FFG system. What should I expect?

>>52675003
You're fairly tanky and immune to a lot of things that would fell a feeble meatbag, which is nice.

>>52675047
Does having integrated gear make the game harder, in terms of mods and such?

>>52675125
Fuck no, it makes it easier. There's no mechanical downside to integrated gear as a droid, and it can't be taken from you.

>>52675125
>integrated gear
Unless you're taking cybernetics, it just counts as normal equipment stats wise.

>>52674957
>>52674978
I'm guessing nothing outside the movies is canon to you.

>>52675185
It's better to pick and choose what you like in canon rather than taking it all as holy writ. I just prefer to see the villains as villains rather than people trying to make the villains into something they're not.

>>52674957
>>52674978

Just ignore it.
He's just dying for that shit to start up again

>>52674750
>look up what jg52 is
>holy shit
>HOLY SHIT

These guys make Rogue Squadron and even the ace from TIE Fighter look like pussies by comparison.

>>52674854
A lot of the games do. They put an unstoppable player against hordes of easy to kill mooks. And I'm not just being Empire-biased here. TIE Fighter also has you inflicting outrageous casualties on Rebel ships.

And Jason Fry's adventure seeding would be okay if it wasn't included in books intended to expand on and summarize lore from Star Wars, in this case battles. Even as an adventure seed the idea of a squadron of Y-Wings taking down multiple SDs is just shocking. It sounds like something out of a joke campaign of D20 where the joke is you're insanely overpowered and you're just fucking around, but this dude does it because he would probably let Jan Dodonna anally take him if he suggested it. Reading it, it borders on creepy just how obsessed with Dodonna the author is, in a book whose premise has very little to do with him.

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>>52675224
You know what? That's very fair and reasonable, anon. I'm fine with that, and I'm hoping you're fine that I see it differently.

See? Civilized discussion can happen. When it comes down to it, we're all Star Wars fans here. It doesn't matter who you like or don't like, or what books you have or haven't read or enjoy or not enjoy, you're still a Star Wars fan, and so am I.

I hope we can all remember that next time another one of these wars pops up in the thread. We're all fans, and we all share that regardless of anything else.

>>52670794
Should be fine, the main benefit of the turbolaser is its R5, but the raider primary can go to R4 so ive not found it to be an issue. I like Backup Shield Generator, but you have to make sure youve got an energy spare at the end of the turn (which engineering team can provide).
I enjoy ion cannons as giving a crit and an ion token can really mess with smaller ships

>>52673087
For the fancy Sith bitch, work it

>>52673295
Solid, standard looking saber. Probably belongs to a Shii-Cho master

>>52674006
A pretty strange saber in my opinion. It looks like it's either a Knight's first saber or it belongs to someone that uses an unorthodox style. Like a Ithorian that uses Shien style

>>52674189
The Sith Juggernaut that uses this is ANGERY! Even at his allies!

>>52675256
I should retract that, as it seems a little harsh. Yeah, he fanboys over Jan, but that doesn't make it bad. Just means he's a fanboy.

>>52675256
Mind you most of that's early war stuff against the early French, Polish, and Soviet airforce which were WOEFULLY unprepared.

>>52675256
>A lot of the games do. They put an unstoppable player against hordes of easy to kill mooks. And I'm not just being Empire-biased here. TIE Fighter also has you inflicting outrageous casualties on Rebel ships.
Nah, the X-Wing and TIE fighter games make you WORK for those kills, Rogue Squadron less so. (Though you REALLY have to work for the medals, to this day I have never played a level that could not be unlocked by cheats in any Rogue Squadron game. Never EVER saw the TIE bomber half of that Space Station prison escape mission in Rebel strike for example)

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What do you guys think?

>>52673087
>>52673295
>>52674006
>>52674189
>>52675436
Not long enough, has to be at least 5ft.

>>52675154
I feel like I'm daring the GM to rip chunks out of my character, literally, if the group is ever forcibly disarmed.

>>52675436
On one hand it looks like it's slip out of your hand during a duel.
On the other hand it's a metallic dildo.

>>52675472
Nah. You're a droid. They're not gonna take you apart, they're just gonna restraining bolt you. Fortunately, there's a cybernetic for that.

>>52674576
The storylines themselves were as canon as the books and comics were, the gameplay and mechanics were not. If a story offered multiple choices, the "light side" choice was usually considered the "canon" option.

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>>52675465
How's this?

>>52675554
better

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>>52675465
Long enough for ya?

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>>52674731
>If it is the core set, keep in mind that the rebels cannot and will not be able to kill the Victory.

Nonsense. I've absolutely killed the Victory in core games multiple times. It relies on using your X-wings and Nebulon to destroy the TIE screen quickly, but that is pretty easy. Once you do the Victory is dead meat.

Especially for newbies, the Victory can be surprisingly difficult to use. Never go to speed 2 with it in a 3x3 game.

Anyway Armada is a fun game. The core just gives you a taste of what full 400 point games are like though.

Thoughts on this list?

TIE Bomber: · Major Rhymer (26)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Advanced Proton Torpedoes (6)
Extra Munitions (2)
Cluster Missiles (4)
Homing Missiles (5)
Guidance Chips (0)
TIE Defender: · Maarek Stele (35)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Tractor Beam (1)
TIE/D (0)
TIE Bomber: Scimitar Squadron Pilot (16)
TIE Shuttle (0)
· Kylo Ren (3)
-- TOTAL ------- 100p. --

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>>52667403

Running Age of Rebellion next Saturday, using the Tatooine Manhunt module from D6 as the opening adventure. Any advice for a first-time GM?

>>52675864
now are we talking with unlimited rounds or keeping it to a six round limit? I could see it happening with unlimited rounds but I've never managed it in 6 round play. Might have just been unlucky with my rolls.

>>52671342
>>52671430
Tarkin stops a lot of shenanigans- Proton rockets? fuck those. Blount has tracers? Fuck those.

The issue is if your opponent doesn't have those shenanigans, or has more shenanigans (Operations Specialist), then he's overcosted.

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>>52675895
If you have time, a soundboard (there's one on the official site) and some background music really helps.

Don't panic. Listen to your players. Get everyone on the same page before you start regarding the expectations of the genre and the setting.

>>52675874
Holy shit that Rhymer is bloated. Cut the homing missiles.

Replace Steele with Vessery, or at least give him predator/expertise. You want to be able to modify both shots.

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>>52675436
>>52675554
>>52675681
>one blade

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>>52676132
Those lightsabers are small-time.

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>>52676146
I don't know, anon. The helicopter aspects beat out even kneesabers.

>>52676045
>a soundboard (there's one on the official site)
Oh shit what

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>>52676179
http://www.starwars.com/games-apps/star-wars-soundboard

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>>52675909
Six rounds. Played right you should only lose one x-wing and get three rounds of uninterrupted X-wing bombing.

The Rebel player should never lose a ship. They go first, and can make sure they're never in medium range of the front arc.

>>52675952
Free focus anywhere range 1-4 is more handy than you'd think. Protecting Jonus is worth it.

But yes stripping a focus off Esege in the CR-90 VS Raider fight was absolutely worth it.

Star Wars medical question
We know they can more or less seamlessly replace limbs with fully functional prosthetics, but what about a dude's dick?
What would they even do?
I swear it's not for magical realm stuff

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>>52676432
The genre is Space Opera, so yes. And it will be magical.

Also, and this is a completely unrelated question, but have you ever read the Metabarons?

Completely unrelated.

>>52676501
No, I have not
It's for a NPC who very, very narrowly escaped death for attempting to molest a woman with Anakin Skywalker around during the clone wars.
I mostly wanted to know what particular form of extreme trauma he'd be feeling about it based on what he would be able to have medically done about it

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>>52676583
>molest a woman with Anakin Skywalker around during the clone wars.

I'm imagining him using Anakin as a tool, like a poking stick.

Like picking up his moody robed butt and using him to prod some poor lady in the tit.

Anyway, I can't tell you what your character would feel while living out your magical realm fantasy, but I can tell you what insane french people thing he should feel: http://kisscomic.us/chapters/the-metabarons-chapter-1.html

Hint. It's not what you'd expect.

>>52676132
This legitimately bothers me

>>52676930
It's a toy designed to be modular and snap together in whatever you want it to.
Nothing to get your autism up about.

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>>52676930
Splendid.

>>52676706
>completely unrelated

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?

>>52674638
>>52674639
>>52674696
>>52674699

Finished. Was pretty fun. I hope that hammerhead made it out and got a months leave and a chest full of medals.

I like that even the imperial tape arrays don't meet OSHA spec, even with the rooftop patio does.

There are a few moments where I was going "wait, how/why?", but overall a pretty solid experience. and it ends as it has to.

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>>52676992
Finally!

>>52677005
It is canon that the hammerhead went down, but in later shots you see that the escape pods have launched. So at least some of them... maybe survived.

>>52677041

Damn. Was hoping they'd get to paint 1.5 ISDs on the nose.

First beef was Jedha guys stick that can apparantly derpshot a tie. should I just count as a really luck crit? even then, that has to have breech or a shit ton of damage...in a stick...

>>52677041
To land on Scarif, or get swept up by a clamshell transport that plows into the Devastator.

>>52677120
It's basically a Longbowcaster, which is stupid enough to be cool to me. I've been thinking of making a not!Samurai themed world where warriors fight using them alongside Vibrokatanas atop riding droids. Too cliche?

>>52677172
>Too cliche?
weebshit is more appropriate terminology.

>>52677120
Yeah, that wasn't his stick. He had a stick (with a kyber crystal on the tip, that he could feel in the Force), as well as his lightbow.

>>52677172
Bowcaster? I thought it was just an explosive-tipped arrow when I watched it.