Pathfinder General /pfg/

>>52641721
Killed two, got asses kicked by one, ran a near-TPK by one because the PCs in that campaign were one munchkin and a bunch of apathetic assholes.

>>52641721

I want to fight dragons! Kill dragons! Work with dragons or even romance dragons!

>>52641721
>tfw never become a real dragon-slayer
>tfw never fought a marauding chromatic, like a real great wyrm
>tfw never tried a bane arrow
I just wish I could have someone to teach me how to be a real, number-one dragon slayer.

Is Unchained Gunslinger the only 3pp class that attempts to fix firearms, aside from PoW stuff?

BitF closes in just over four days!

>>52641777
Shardwalkers in three!

>Vult asks theoretical science question regarding to PLD
>The discord breaks down into blithering idiocy

Truly an artist of trolling.

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>>52641721

Yes, yes, no, and sure, but it wasn't really the reason we were there.

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>>52641259
That sounds pretty cool and close to something I'd like to do in Starfinder. Can you tell us more and post any pictures of them?

>>52641818
Vult is cute! CUTE!

>>52641721
I currently play a dragonrider in a campaign I'm in. I've also had a dragon mount in a separate game last year (was pretty fun)

And yes I've also killed dragons before hand as well.

LoBaF soon!

Which pairing will reign supreme?

>>52641818
More like

>Vult poorly explains supernatural physics phenomena

>Gets angry when people can't read his mind and reees

>>52641930
Essa x A gnoll
Gamze x Five gnolls
Iolanthe x Pack of hyenas
Shanan x Orlan x A fire

>>52641930
I really wanted to apply for this game.

>>52641978
Just wait for someone to die. These niggas are not prepared.

>>52641969
>Gets angry when people can't read the conversation and reees
FTFY

>>52641721
I ran the Dragon's Demand. Fantastic module. Ended with my two players getting married and retiring to a little village they lorded over together.

>>52641721
I'm playing the monastic disciple of the dragon giods, out to rid the world of the avatar of the war god Rovagug and lawful chaotic / chaotic lawful alignments with the help of paladin of Iomedae and the Tarasque Blooded sorcerer.

This is not going to go well.

Yes, the GM is fucking weird.

>>52641803

Is shardwalkers a bamboozle? I thought the GM went missing.

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>Playing in a "timeskip Iron Gods" campaign starting this weekend
>Really want to play pic related
>Firearms are shit
>Shields are shit
>Heavy armor is shit
>Clearly a Stupendous Strength STR build, but with a fucking two-handed firearm
>Probably a laser rifle or something which makes it even worse as I can't afford it
>Full-Initating classes not available so I can't be a Privateer
>I can play it as some sort of Gunslinger but it'll be so bad I'd be better off as a level 1 Fighter with a longbow
You ever get those ideas that just don't work, /pfg/? How do you cope?
My coping method is to complain here.

>>52642034
No, Argentum doesn't bamboozle

>>52642035
>"timeskip iron gods"

explain this, anon

>>52642035
Trench Fighter is a decent way to get firearm proficiency and dex-to-damage.

>>52642071
We did an Iron Gods campaign recently. Ended in a TPK.
Now it's ~15 years later and things have gone to shit.

>>52642087
Can we hear some details?

>>52641840

Fennec-anon! Why are you so fluffy?

>>52642077
Fighter has a gun archetype? Huh. Maybe I can stack it with Myrmidon and make something work...

>>52642094
It's almost bedtime for little old me, but feel free to ask about anything you're interested in. Not gonna launch into a big storytime, though.

>>52642034
It is not, he's just been busy lately. He's still running Pendragon after all.

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>>52641996
>>52641969
Things have degenerated to the point of someone typing "Sigh" to start their post.

>>52642034
Internet was getting set up at a new house. Or it might have been just a change of service provider, I'm not entirely sure.

>>52642115
I do believe they can stack, unless I'm missing some part of Myrmidon that dicks about with armor training.

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I want to play a heavily-armored Rent-a-Soldier in Starfinder who's a brain-and-spine still trying to pay off his fancy new cybernetic body!

>>52642161
The only thing Myrmidon touches is Bonus Feats

>>52642141
You realize there's a person in the chat named Sigh, right?

>>52642171
And it pre-loads with Tempest Gale.

Trickshot McGee comes to town?

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>>52642165
Who did he sell his body parts to and is he willing to take a job inside a bioship?

>>52642165
Same! We can be /robosuffering/ buddies!

>>52642094
A "Rusted Gods" campaign sounds sorta interesting.

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>>52642220
>Who did he sell his body parts to

He didn't sell his body parts to anyone! He's a veteran that got chewed up and spat out into civvie life, forced to use government-issued frames before some Suits came to his house and offered a hot new bod in exchange for work.

RGPL CONFIRMED CUTE

>>52642220

What does working on a bioship entail?

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>>52642109

Desert nights are cold-a fluffy coat helps fennec foxes stay warm, while its light colors help deflect heat and keep them cool during the day.

>>52642344
can also confirm

>>52642344
On one hand I want to find out what the heck is going on in there, on the other I don't know if I want to be involved.

>>52642398
It's all just good natured ribbing until someone posts ERP logs

>>52642398
Its not worth the headache

>>52642398
discord pfg is teasing rgpl (WotR dm)

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>>52642296
Is he willing to work for the Panra, one of the more questionable races in the galaxy? Their size, insect like features, and pseudo-hive mind make them outcasts in the galaxy at large.

>>52642358
Lots of janitorial work.

Shooting parasites and chucking them into the stomach/reactor.
Shooting anti-Psyker forces, looting them of gear, and disposing of them in the stomach/reactor.
Negotiating with suppliers to make sure they don't mistreat your client and chucking the goods into the stomach/reactor.
Trying to fall asleep in the living living room and wondering if you should throw yourself into the stomach/reactor because the ship snores.

>>52642419
Are these threads just detached commentaries of the discord now?
Is this what we have become

I want to marry Riggle Piggle!

>>52642440
Well that and sexual frustration...

So I heard you gents want some logs
https://pastebin.com/LHkFxDia

How come armor-based martials are so much worse than light-armor martials? Like, you trade so much just for some extra AC, and then like 3 levels later it doesn't matter anymore because AC flies out the window anyways in favor of miss chances and shit. Except you stay fat and lumbering, while the asshole with 4 less AC than you has now become almost as hard to hit, except he's been running about at full speed the entire time, taking no penalties to his skill checks the entire time. Actually, in a party, that fucker probably becomes harder to hit than you as soon as you hit that point where AC says goodbye, since "speedy man" gets first dibs on the item that grants miss chance.
How the fuck is it okay for a dude in full plate + tower shield to be at like -19 armor check penalty when all you get is AC anything dangerous will just chew through anyway?
I'm so upset about this, god damn. I just wanted to play a big hulk of metal but it's like shooting yourself in the fucking foot.

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>>52642465

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FRESH RGPL LOG

LINK IN THE SPOILER

This is dumb.

>>52642488
I like how last thread we unironically had a great conversation because of kitsune of all things.

>>52642426
>Is he willing to work for the Panra, one of the more questionable races in the galaxy? Their size, insect like features, and pseudo-hive mind make them outcasts in the galaxy at large.

Of course! If the Panra are the Suits in question and they're offering him a good body, good pay and good work for 12 easy payments of 1 year of unquestionable service, than yes!

>>52642488
>>52642521

What would you expect on a Croatian Bat Swaddling Board?

https://youtu.be/XZ2sWJi5Mrk

>>52642521
Kitsune are shit and should burn

Ignore Kitsune posts
Report Kitsune posters.

>>52642468

If you play with some feat consolidation rules heavy armor + shield can be solid, especially if you ride a mount. I think a scaling AC bonus that works off BAB would help martials a lot

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>>52641721
what the fuck is this shitty op image?
what the hell is that thing? It looks like its supposed to be some kind of dragon girl but ugly. It doesnt even have any tits.

I thought this was the pathfinder general, not some faggy 5e dnd general. Someone make a new thread and use a qt kitsune op pic.

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I made an elf Toxophilite ranger dude.
First time playing PF.
Group consists of 3 PF newbies and 2 veterans.
The GM is also running a character and plans on switching with the veteran players for oneshots later in the campaign.

Epic starting points and a GM known for generosity and simplifying some rules in the players favor, for example cover.

Did I gimp myself by going for a weird archetype/non human?

I don't know how important wild empathy/endurance is but I don't think that quarry is that that great so the Toxo looks okay.

I wanted to be able to shoot through ropes 'n shit.

Are the elf-only bow feats any good?

I know that I should just relax and enjoy the game.

But I want to outdamage the two handed weapon fighter whose player always powergames.

Read some ranger guides from the pastebin, I like the mounted archer idea.

GM suggested toughness for all characters as first feat because it's newbie friendly survivability. Everybody took it except me.

I took point blank shot.

>>52642576
>Filename
BUT THAT'S WRONG

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>>52642522
Congrats, you've helped secure Humanity a new ally. Probably not the one they expected, wanted, or even really liked, but they won't forget your loyalty.

Just watch out you don't wind up underfoot.

>>52642562
The fact that a shield is almost always a negative is so upsetting to me.
And FUCKING TOWER SHIELDS just make me want to scream.
Armor as DR isn't too bad of a system if it got worked on and polished up. I'd like that a lot.

>>52642576
Aw, now ain't that cute...BUT IT'S WROOOONG!

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So Kyras has some new art.

I take back everything I said about the Pixiv Fantasia pic he was using, it's just fine. Please keep it as the main character portrait.

>>52642419
How's WotR doing anyways? I haven't heard about it for awhile and I really liked the party.

>>52642671
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

People wanted THIS to get in

People wanted THIS

>>52642590
I mean, if you stick with the rapid shot/manyshot/deadly aim build until you hit 11th(?) and get Instant Enemy, you'll do plenty of damage compared to the 2h fighter. He just gets to do it for longer, because he isn't relying as directly on casting.

On that note:
>first time playing PF
>want to outdamage the 2h fighter

Ya coulda gone caster and just out-relevance'd him.

>>52642698
Biweekly, so slowly. But pretty well, it's fun when it does happen.
There hasn't been a single actually lewd moment yet. They know how to run a slow burn.

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>>52642671
But that's not actually on the LFG forum
How
How deep are you actually digging to find dirt on this guy
Are you yandere for him or something

>>52642590
Oh yeah, also no third party shenanigans, just all Paizo products available on the german market as far as I know.
We are going to use cards for crits and fumbles... I don't know how I feel about that.

Is the arcane archer any good?
Does multiclassing a little bit work for a ranger focusing on ranged combat?

>>52641721

I've been wanting to incorporate dragons for a while into the games I run, but they haven't lasted long enough in the past for me to do so.

Back when I played 3.5, my GM had us traveling through the desert for quite a while, so we encountered Young Adult Blue Dragons on two separate occasions... and on two separate occasions, we killed them and my Elf Spellsword harvested their parts to sell at the trading outposts.

It got him a shiny new Mithril Shirt with an Endure Elements enchantment, so I was very pleased.

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>>52642733
No. Just. Dude.
If you're reading this.
Sometimes you gotta be honest when a drawfag gives you a shitty delivery.

>>52642698
WotR is going fine, nothing crazy yet but the DM just teased something on the discord to players

What is a reasonable limit on the amount of bombs an alchemist is allowed to implant in any given creature (themselves for instance)? Assume they are going to drop the dosh so that they don't explode after a day.

>>52642834
In a single creature? I think it's 1/creature.

>>52642698
No game for a month last I heard

>>52642714

I didn't want to start playing a god (caster) on my first campaign, plus it was discouraged for first time players of the system, which I get.

Yeah, I figured that the fighter player chose something brutally efficient.

The difference on paper at lvl1 is pretty crass.

>>52642880
It ran yesterday, and will run on the 23rd, and then on the 7th of May

I want to PM someone cute! Who's cute?!

>>52642914
Me! PM me!

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>>52642671
God damn. It's like that time my friend got fucked over by a shitty drawfag.
This is why I didn't commission art for my Blingmaker submission.

>>52642914
Discord pfg says RgPl apparently

>>52642914
you are!

>>52642914

Wist is cute! Captain Slow is cute! RgPl is cute and Ceri is CUTE CUTE CUTE!

>>52642914
I'm not, I'm just a dour bitch desu

>>52642914
Wist, Ceri, and RgPl are cute and fun.
DHB and maximumsleep seem like they both need a hug.

>>52642904
Oh man, yeah, 1st level is pretty much podium-time for a human fighter from feat advantage alone.

However, he's still relegated to what he can hit, and if he misses for any reason he's basically a sitting duck. You should be able to snag Rapid Shot by 3rd level at the latest, and you'll be putting more fire downrange than him per turn until the end of the campaign (at least in terms of number of attacks).

Something else you're gonna want is Clustered Shots, especially if your GM is gonna have DR enemies anywhere near you. Make sure your animal companion is tripping/disarming/whatever it's good for as often as possible, assuming you still have it.

Mounted archery is fine but if you ever go indoors you automatically lose the advantage except in very rare circumstances.

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Speaking of Starfinder, are any of you here thinking about running it or making some homebrew stuff for it?

>>52643000

Impossible to tell what needs to get added in homebrew, especially since something might get added in as part of official Starfinder content.

>>52642930
Are you cute? Provide evidence supporting your claim to cuteness.

>>52642945
B-but I can't PM myself! That's not helpful at all!

>>52642958
>>52642974
Wist is unbearably cute!

>>52643092
so cute!

>>52642590
Elf is fine. The difference between most the PC races is mostly fluff pieces, with the key thing that actually matters being the ability score adjustments, and even that's not a huge effect (compare having a +2 to all the bonuses you get from leveling up, and having a +6 item by level 20).

Wild empathy is actually really useful at low level, but ranger has enough stuff in general that losing it really isn't going to hurt you.

Toxophilite's abilities aren't really that great - generally you're much better off using all your attacks to, well, attack (and thereby kill enemies quicker) rather than use them to cancel other attacks - but they also aren't an actual drain on you.

>But I want to outdamage the two handed weapon fighter whose player always powergames.

Well, your main problem here will be that you have to split your stats between Dex (to hit and AC) and Str (to do damage). The way to compensate for this is to pick up Rapid Shot, Manyshot, and anything else that lets you make as many attacks as possible ASAP.

Make sure to take the Deadly Aim feat, and always use it against low AC enemies or once you have stat bonuses / an enhanced bow. It's the ranged equivalent of Power Attack.

>I wanted to be able to shoot through ropes 'n shit.

One thing to keep in mind is that while attacks against objects, etc are okay once you have the right gear, ranged combat maneuvers kind of suck (like from the Ranged Disarm feat), because combat maneuvers in general kind of suck. The only really good combat maneuver is Dirty Trick, which was added in Advanced Player's Guide rather than the core book.

>GM suggested toughness for all characters as first feat because it's newbie friendly survivability. Everybody took it except me.

Good. Toughness sucks. You can get equal results in the mid game just by getting an item of +2 Constitution.

>>52642970
Dour bitches can be cute too! You could be endearingly mean and snarky!

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>>52643045
Sorry, I'm creepy.

Legs Acier of Blub and Frame first session tomorrow. DHB finally in a game as a goddamn reverse trap.

Who excited for logs?

>>52643092

Cashmere is such a sweetheart! I want to see her broken, battered and bruised.

>>52643122
Creepy can be cute! You could be endearingly strange and ethereal!

>>52642755
>Oh yeah, also no third party shenanigans, just all Paizo products available on the german market as far as I know.

If the opportunity comes in the future, the books Path of War and Path of War Expanded (no idea if they have a German translation) make combat archery more interesting. They have classes that give "maneuvers", basically like mini-spells focused around combat that you can recycle several times per combat (based on your class), and there are schools of maneuvers focused around ranged attacks, one for elemental effects and the other for trick shots and getting ranged combat maneuvers for free along with your attacks.

They also do most of this stuff as standard actions rather than full actions, so your character isn't just standing in place like a turret most of the time.

>Is the arcane archer any good?

Sadly, not really. Generally, the really good spells to use with Imbue Arrow already have a medium/long range anyway, and most of the other abilities can be replicated with the right gear.

Making a Magus with the Eldritch Archer archetype works much better mechanically, and is also way easier to plan out and build.

>Does multiclassing a little bit work for a ranger focusing on ranged combat?

Depends on what you're multiclassing with.

>>52643177
Nah, just creepy.

>>52643119
Sorry, just kind of a piece of shit

>>52642914
Am I cute?

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>>52643117
>>52643197
Thanks for the feedback.

I hope it won't take months to finally start playing.

Another player made a human zen archer.
But I'm not worried since I guess he'll be doing single target pew pew and I'll be doing multitarget rat-tat-tat.
I guess he'll be quite good once he can use WIS for his attacks.

Anything about the Elf-only archery feats?

>>52643293
>Anything about the Elf-only archery feats?

They're not really about archery and more about being able to stab people with your arrows!

>>52642958
>>52642974
>>52643092

Who are all of you people ;_;
I asked the two most likely candidates and it was neither of them
well the third one was posted after I asked the first person so maybe that's you

>>52643293
Stabbing Shot isn't really worth it. Build towards taking Point Blank Master instead, so you can just use ranged attacks in melee without a problem.

>But I'm not worried since I guess he'll be doing single target pew pew and I'll be doing multitarget rat-tat-tat.

Well, and keep in mind the other big difference here: You have spells! You can buff yourself, you can heal allies and cure ability damage, and all that other stuff. You don't have a lot of spells, but you can swap them all out every day to deal with whatever specific challenges are at hand.

>>52642671
All of the parts look fine. It was just shoddily assembled.

>>52643308
>>52643352
And Elven accuracy?

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>>52643309

Besides combat reflexes what are some ways to gain extra AoOs?

I could've sworn there was a feat that let you use your STR bonus for it but now I can't find it.

So wait, can you actually use triage out of battle as Medic to heal people?

>>52641721
My character slayed a dragon for a PrC

It was a dragon of little consequence though, a juvenile black dragon that somehow is bigger than medium

>>52643027
I'm aware of that, but I want to see if people are already thinking of things they want to do with it

>>52643491
The High Guardian archetype for Fighter gives Combat Reflexes with strength as the bonus. There is also Muscular Reflexes from the SoM playtest which does the same thing.

>>52643485
That's cute.

>8 Charisma
>manages to smooth-talk a girl

really makes me think

>>52643700

Gets the ole neurons firing, don't it?

>>52643765
Really gets the noggin joggin

>>52643778
Really activates those almonds

>>52643384
It's a bit meh, because by mid/late game magic can see through most sources of concealment anyway.

With PoW on the table does myrmidon fighter make the best ranged shooter?

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>>52641721
What's the earliest I can unleash my necromantic powers to forge a DRACOLICH?

>>52643940
Even without PoW fighters are the best shooties because weapon training and bonus feats to make the feat taxes a lot less painful. If you want to shoot stuff just make a human fighter for 3 feats at level 1 to cover Point Blank and Precise Shot.

If you use firearms take trench fighter so you can get dex to damage.

help me out here boys

I wanna make a Wood Oracle. Or Stone, or Metal. Which is the best archetype (front liner, buffer/debuffer, etc) for those options and how do I feat/stat it? Literally never played an Oracle before.

>>52644043
Are you using downtime?

>>52644057
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WdtrZCESRmVfljXY196wMrMLTnS8Uzk4DEk3oQdVZok/edit?hl=en_US

bookmark this http://zenithgames.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-comprehensive-pathfinder-guides.html

Do I understand bardic knowledge correctly?

Bardic Knowledge = + 1/2 * (Bard Level) on all knowledge checks
Bard 1: +1
Bard 2: +1
Bard 3: +1 (?)
Bard 4: +2
Bard 5: +2 (?)
Bard 6: +3

I know that generally if something benefits the player, you round down, with the exception of when it would round down to 0.

Oh god, the normies are having IC RP sessions with one another before selections have been made for BitF:
https://app.roll20.net/forum/permalink/4897434/

>>52644128
>Do I understand bardic knowledge correctly?

Yes.

>with the exception of when it would round down to 0.

No, it's only minimum 1 if it specifically says so, like with Bardic Knowledge.

What class should I combine with an Omen Rider Harbinger in a Gestalt game. However no full casters or Alchemists (DM said no PoW and Full Casters together, and I don't want to be an Alchemist because we already have 2 of those)

>>52644097
Not really.

>>52644141
slayer

>>52643700
Hoh, really? Let me guess, Orator feat?

What does a two-weapon rend with double weapons look like?

>>52644102

thanks :) is there anything cool the guide may not cover? like handy multiclasses or feat combos?

>>52644134
I hope they end up becoming friends and going off to play their own game if they don't get in they all seem so excited.

Also, I was looking over my application and feel as if I need something more as it is rather short. Is there anything I should expand upon?
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4844265/character-applications/?pageforid=4879765#post-4879765

>>52644223
awesome

>>52644223
Glorious Chainsaw Technique.

>>52644240
Look at the top, multiclasses in part 3, and there's a whole section for feats

>>52644223
Speaking of double weapons, is any of them worth it?

>>52644279
Honestly they're strictly worse than just getting two weapons

>>52644325
Is there any functional one?

>>52644381
... Not really

Dual weilding is dex based and therefore better suited to crit-fishing with light weapons

>>52644381
Monk's Spade has the dubious claim-to-fame of being able to deal all three physical damage types, but otherwise not really.

>>52642035
1pp or 3pp?

Are shields worth it?

>>52644381
You could make an argument in favour of them if you're a Slayer or Ranger, or have some other way to full STRfag and cheat your feats.

Gets you 1.5x STR when you can't full attack. Biggest problem is probably proficiency, though a lot of DMs will let you cheese with ioun stones.

>>52644279
>>52644381
Yes, if you use that weapon creation system from the weaponmaster's handbook.

See what you do is you make a ranged, one-handed, arm-mounted weapon, and you put it in the double category.

Should you follow through with a ship that other people invented if it's popular?

>>52644753
Is is cute?

>>52644759
Yes.

>>52644753
Depends on whether you think it'd fit as well.

Speaking of, what are some good WWW pairings?

Is it just me or is the Spirit Totem Rage power just... MADE for the Skald? All of my allies get bonuses to their own abilities to do damage, and ALSO up their chances at doing damage with a little friend that hits at my BAB+Cha for essentially free? Literally why not?

>>52644753
It's okay to give it consideration, maybe nod towards memes if you get a chance, but don't follow it just because it's available. You'll blind yourself to other opportunities.

>>52644767
Most of the apps are shit.

If you want maximum tragedy mode, I'd suggesting pairing the Doll with one of the Minos (short lifespans). Probably Rich.

>>52644753
No.

It's your PC, do what makes sense for them. You owe nothing to nobody.

>>52644808
>>52644808
which apps are notshit?

>>52644753
As a general rule as a player you probably shouldn't do anything you don't want to, unless the things you want to do are disruptive or some shit.

Do you like the ship? Do you like it more than the other ships that you could do? If people are disappointed with your choices but you like them then that's their problem, not yours.

>>52644134
Well, that's not really bad, if not pretty cool of the guy that offered, compared to the other shit in BitF. Although the app in question dpesnt really improve much other than being slightly longer.

I WAS TOLD I WOULD HAVE A GYARU POLE-DANCER ELF FOR WWW

WHERE IS MY SLUT

>>52644241
More characterization, I guess, cause the back story is kinda bland. Like view on her current life and goal. Maybe some more stuff tying to Nirthamas.

>>52644869
Have an autism list:

> Jennifer Analeigh "Jenny" Blye: Actually fits the setting.
> Britt Golden: R@ memes.
> Amias Dorjeon: Actually brings something to the party table beyond explosions and hitting stuff hard.
> Jericho: Not very fuckable but compelling backstory and cool design.
> Rich Horner: Escaped slave turned folksy hero.
> Mary Sherwood: Everyone's favorite low-key smug titties.
> Magwau: A proper noble savage kinda dude.
> Kachina: Native cutie who follows the way of the gun.

>>52641803
So what's the guess for final Shardwalkers parties?

Any good male apps this time?

>>52641721
We just took one down with our airship last session. Just a white, but still. It was badass. She almost got us, first breath weapon sweep was a near TPK.

>>52645006
In your opinion, what's wrong with Cage?

>>52645094
It's hard to read a personality out of bullet points-only.

She's perfectly adequate, but not especially soulful.

>>52642155
I heard he'd moved and was waiting on new provider.

However I WOULD have one or two questions for him if he plans on still going to the campaign page; hopefully not being in the habit of going on the IRC wasn't a dealbreaker for applying.

>>52645006
How about an autismlist for Shardwalkers.

>>52644808
>Most of the apps are shit.

This sure does get said about literally every pfg game

New-ish pathfinder player here; about to begin Mummy's Mask.

The Player's Guide PDF was really helpful with what it provided, but one thing it didn't really do unlike some other ones I've seen is give example builds of characters that fit the setting (it mentions classes & archetypes by name, but that's about it).

So tell me, anyone who's played/DM'd it:
>What are some builds that you found fun and also successfully contributed to getting the party through the campaign?

This time tomorrow we'll have our roles decided amongst ourselves, but in the meantime, I want to prepare a potential build for each role (though I personally have no desire to play a "tank").

So far the only tips I've heard are, "Don't neglect ranged damage," and, "Don't neglect arcane/divine." Being relatively new, I'm not even positive I understand that last bit, aside from bringing those kinds of spells.

As usual, any suggestions are welcome.

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So what's the best way to play a Giant/ess and which campaign is the best to play one in?

>>52645032
Well not that latest one that's for sure. Who the hell wrote that, and tacked on the words 'shard' and 'way gate' once or twice at the end just to make it seem like it wasn't pre-written long-ago for some other game (and possibly being used to apply to 2-3 others all at once)?

Come on, man up, which one of you wrote this guy?

>>52645293
what if its true?

>>52645293
its almost like its true

>>52645322
It's not really. Most aren't *shit* just kinda meh.

>>52645325
a 6/10 is a D bro

>>52645293
WotRaunchy was described as having really high app quality when it was running. Was that just the AP doing work?

>>52645301

But anon, that's not a giant, that's a snake.

>>52645333
And? It's not like a X/10 review system is worth anything meaningful.

>>52645338
>>52645322
>>52645324
People have different levels of sophistication and different specifics tastes when it comes to characters, that's all.

>>52645325
Best Shardwalkers apps then, go

>>52645363
Why? I'm not interested in that game. And even I were that really doesn't have anything to do with what I said.

>>52645382
Soo you're boring boo

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>>52645322
>>52645324
I still don't really understand this mentality. It's obvious from the outset that the overall standard of quality from /pfg/ characters is far better and more refined than your average roll20 character or even your standard casual couchgame D&D grognard or whatever. Why is this still such a problem for some anons? Yes, it's understandable that the pursuit of further improvement is always necessary, but why the scrutiny? It's not like we're all writers here, we're mostly here because we play games. inb4 "You don't need to be a writer to make 'competent' characters".
I don't mean to defend mediocrity or whatever you might say, I'm just a little uncomfortable with a notion that smacks of 'you must be AT LEAST THIS inspired to ride on the /pfg/ fun train.'

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>>52645342
Let's assume I want to play a big one, how would I go about it? Preferably in a way that gets it allowed in a game?

>>52645390
I mean, yes, they're better than roll20 trash, but that doesn't make them good

Its why when the end of every app period rolls around, people go 'those four apps are getting in' and they're usually right.

Because those apps are just BETTER.

>>52645390
It's simple

shitposting for (You)s

>>52645395

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo-druid-archetypes/goliath-druid/

>>52645400
also this.

>>52645398
>people go 'those four apps are getting in'
Of course, these "people" are usually just a few applicants samefagging to build up hype.
And then they post ERP logs.

>>52645413
Rory was an anomaly actually. I'm still stumped how he got in

Rorymei didn't surprise me that much cause I was like 'eh that 6th slot is hard', but I was sure Ulfric was going to snag slot 5.

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>>52645032
Engineer guy seems fluffy enough, no idea if the class is effective but if that armor is like an eidolon its probably solid.

Striker tailor could be interesting if he goes full fabulous and really hams it up: would be boring if it's just a drama note though.

Raul could go either way. Seems a tad too obsessed with his foster father to care much for a party that isn't him. Serious daddy issues.

For the female ones, the Bard could be good, the female engineer could go either way, but from what I read rather than step on eachother's toes two engineers make dangerous combos from upgrading eachother's shit.

>>52645433
>tfw I am that bard and i'm thinking of submitting another character

>>52645390
Shitting on apps improves your chances of getting in or something

>>52645390
I do agree with you that even weak /pfg/ characters are way better than most of the best characters I see off /pfg/, but speaking practically, the /pfg/ app process is a competition.

It goes back to the necessary evil of character apps that gets debated now and then. How well-written a profile is isn't the only factor in getting into a game, but it's a factor. Couple this with the horse racing culture that's developed, and it's easy to see why some people get hung up over app quality. It's not all memes and shit-posting, as much as that's a part of it. People do get genuinely disappointed if they don't like other apps to a game they've applied to, they get disappointed that there isn't more reading material for games they don't apply to, and they get disappointed over concepts they like not having the foundation to support it.

But yeah a lot of it is definitely shitposting.

>>52645402
Neat, I did not know this existed.

But isn't it OP? A Druid with Enlarge Person so early seems strong, at least from what I've heard.

>>52645468
no

>>52644753
>>52644765
First things first, did /pfg/ start pushing this ship first?
Then no, don't pursue it (yet). /pfg/ is a fucking shitshow and will push a ship just because one person starts it arbitrarily, to the exclusion of anything that makes sense. If /pfg/ is telling you to pursue a ship, consider that /pfg/ will also be clamoring for your character get cucked/raped. The thread-goers don't give a shit about your game, they just want a punchline to a bad joke.

Now that you've taken a step back, feel free to leave the ship on the table. It might be fun, and if it appeals to you, and you see it developing naturally in-game, then go for it.

But the worst possible thing you can do is try to force a ship into existence. Nobody will be happy, least of all you and your partner. It'll feel and look unnatural, it'll override what makes sense or could otherwise be better, and most of all it's going to wear thin really fast.

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>>52645259
>>52645363
Since you asked.

Into the Dark It Goes Tier
> 「Blossom Hearthschilde」: "▂▂▃▃▄▄▅▅!"

Attempt Once More Tier
> Sora Onitsu: Oh look, it's fucking nothing.
> Rio Eliyan aka "10-21": Beep beep. Not a lot going on here.
> Avur: WHAT

Actually Passable Character Tier
> Swinsly Rockwell: UUUU
> Katherine Elbourne: Bullied for being too much of a BABE.
> Levia Umboros: Dragonloli.
> Tanith Umboros: Dragontitties.
> Shezare Umboros: Dragontittest.
> Raul Antreil: [MY BROTHER intensifies] A pretty cool dude though, would fit into any party.
> Eclaire Troyard: A tolerable frontliner, who's highly compatible with most parties.
> Ledo Uma: Not very compatible with most parties, edgy as fuck, not very tied-in backstory but CE done very right.

Watch My Back Tier
> Zokat: Never asked for this.
> Akane Kohakuren: Adorable, good backstory.
> Mari AKA Crimson Gleam: Cute. CUTE.
> Brynhildr d'Ivrea: Interesting character with a bit going on.
> Risette Kristophe: I absolutely always wanted to see Katawa Shoujo as a tactical wargame.

Hard As Diamonds Tier
> Gerund C. Legg: Probably the only guaranteed app? Quality, good backstory and a total hottie.

>>52645413
My personal theory is that players rarely shill themselves, and most of the time a character picks up a dedicated shill anon who pushes them the way /a/ races waifus in a harem series.

>>52645479
>tfw my first character app to a pathfinders game is Watch My Back tier
Y-yay!

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>>52645479
>people like Mari
>I kind of don't anymore

>>52644753
No.
Do what makes sense and feels right, not what someone else wants.

Popularity is the worst reason you could ever have to do anything, especially if it's just popularity attached to an internet handle.

>>52645390
> still don't really understand this mentality. It's obvious from the outset that the overall standard of quality from /pfg/ characters is far better and more refined than your average roll20 character

The average roll20 character is pretty trash tier. Generally speaking, being able to follow basic directions will get you in most roll20 games.

That being said, yeah most /pfg/ characters are fine. Not like enjoying RP requires being able to produce high literature or something. The issue is basically
>>52645453
Is that the app process is a competition and not a fair one at that since there is way more that goes into who gets picked than just quality.


It's just that some people get a chip on their shoulders because they got into something and like to feel super special by shitting on other anons.

>>52645512
>>52645413
It seems that there's a spectrum, really:
>Blatant self-shilling
>Anonymous samefag shilling
>Dedicated shill-anon shitposting
>Character becomes a forced meme
>Player keeps coming to the thread to ask for advice, discuss writing, or otherwise workshop their ideas

>>52645479
>Look at shardwalkers
>Avur
Oh shit, someone else played Z.H.P.? Fucking loved that game.

Yeah the reason that app is so weird because he basically transplanted the protag of that game into the Shardwalker setting.

>>52645546
>person on IRC/Discord makes a joke
>someone else in IRC/Discord continues it
>it becomes a meme there
>these same people post it in the thread
>these same people reply to it in the thread
>it's now a part of the threads

>>52645259
>>52645363
>>52645479

And hey, in the spirit of more shitposting, I'll also throw together some meme temes.

Team "Um, We're Evil"
>Levia Umboros
>Tanith Umboros
>Shezare Umboros
>Ledo Uma
>Brynhildr d'Ivrea

Team "Muscle Justice"
>Avur
>Swinsly Rockwell
>Raul Antreil
>Zokat
>Gerud C. Legg
>Eclaire Troyard

Team "CUTE"
>「Blossom Hearthschilde」
> Katherine Elbourne
> Akane Kohakuren
> Mari AKA Crimson Gleam
> Brynhildr d'Ivrea
> Risette Kristophe

Team [Autistic Screeching]
> Rio Eliyan aka "10-21"
> Avur
> Ledo Uma
> Brynhildr d'Ivrea
> Risette Kristophe
> Gerund C. Legg

>>52644753
Fuck that noise.
I go with who I want, and it's never based on fucking memes. Otherwise every one of my characters would end up being the heroine of a ShindoL doujin.

>>52645584
I forgot that there's only 5 player slots, so erase one of those as needed.

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>>52645479
... I'd place myself in passable, maybe borderline 'watch my back' even. Not that other one, that doesn't seem right.

>>52645479
>never skip Legg day

>>52645663
I might be overstating a little, but basically your character works in a way a lot of others don't. Just seems like a rad dude.

>>52645674
Always never don't skip Legg day.

>>52645584
>team "Um, We're Evil"
It sounds more like "Team Umboros and co.", the plot would be dominated by them and their story.

>team "Muscle Justice"
Manly Men: the team, but the question is if they're be best bros too.

>team "CUTE"
Yuri shennanigans? I can see Bryn and Katherine vs....basically everyone else getting into a fight, seeing as the alignments there are TN (the LE kind), TN (the manipulative, "I know I'm flaming hot but what are you" kind so probably LE), TN (except actually chaotic because itsafairy and probably good because "she has time"), CG, TN (with an alter ego CG), CG and CG. In short, it's the LE vs. CG party.

>team [autistic screeching]
Honestly expect PvP within the first session.

>>52645663
Which one are you?

>>52645691
The joke was I picked the unscrupulous characters, and the first four all have "Um" in their names.

It was all for a shitty pun.

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Does your character have a good carpet of virility?

>>52645719
No, because she's a girl.

The barbarian she has her eyes on though? oh hoho boy.

>>52645719
Hairy enough that it's like trying to train peanut butter through a shag carpet

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>>52645309
I guess I tried.

Got any pointers?

>>52645479
>Zokat
Does this guy literally have nanobot arms?

>Akane
fluffy ree etc.

>Mari
Literally schizophrenic.

>Brynhildr
MAKE HISTORY GREAT AGAIN!!!1!one

>Risette
Literally crippled

>>52645512
... I wanna hide under a rock just knowing someone's reading mine, so I think I can see where you're coming from on that.

>>52645753
It's okay anon. I think your app is good and you're cute.

>>52645390
Ultimately, I don't think the high level of scrutiny actually amounts to much in the end. From what I've seen, GMs rarely pick players due to how well written or deep their backstory is rather, they evaluate based on their own unseen criteria.

The obsession over apps feeds /pfg/'s need to have things to talk about and, hopefully, gives Anons a chance to evaluate the weaknesses in their own writing; so that they can improve in the future.

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>>52645753
Which app is yours?
>tfw not sure if going to be chosen

>>52645751
>Literally Schizophrenic

I don't see how a vigilante can exist without some degree of that honestly.

>>52645775
Well GMs are probably more concerned with "hmm so can I intergrate this character into the type of campaign I'm looking to run" and "hmm so does the tone of this character work with both my campaign and the rest of the party I'm looking at".

>>52645783
Exactly.

>>52645781
Pretty easy. A vigilante is like a reverse robin hood, instead of preying on the fattened Capitalist Aristocracy and giving back to the Proletariat, he preys on Thieves and Parasites to keep the Working Man safe.

>>52645719
>Defunct meatspace game
Yes.

>Roll20 game 1
No, his body hair is more of a treasure trail.

>Roll20 game 2
Oddly enough, no. Might be due to his bloodline making him a little more reptilian.

>Potential Roll20 game 3
I haven't really thought about it. Will roll for it later.

>>52645799
i mean a pathfinder one where you can literally be two alignments away

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>>52645795
>>52645390 here.
I agree that it doesn't matter much in the end as far as which apps will be selected, but it does set a rather unpleasant atmosphere for writing apps. The problem is most of the common complaints are baseless shitposting with nothing logical or analytical to back them up- hence the abundance of /lit/ tier buzzwords and constant need for the input of anons such as yourself, who brand themselves reviewers- the title of course having a connotation of credibility and expertise.

In practice, almost none of this discussion actually gets us anywhere, or inspires anons to make meaningful changes to apps.

>>52645867

Anons could definitely help themselves by improving the quality of their writing.

>>52645867
rory literally changed his app 4 times because he got bad reviews and got in a game

>>52645901
I see a trend of certain anons producing good apps with interesting concepts, that tend to feel quite serious. And others who go a bit too jokesy and uninspired, or obviously lean on memes.

And then there's DHB, who's done pretty much everything.

>>52645927
DHB is desperate.

>>52645479
>Into the Dark It Goes Tier
>> 「Blossom Hearthschilde」: "▂▂▃▃▄▄▅▅!"
What did he mean by this?

I'm guessing it's a Subterranean Animism joke

>>52645939
I'm frequently shocked by his range.

We have shit (party dwarf), some quality (Talathel), then a meme concealing quality (Essa) and then we're back around the bend to even more shit with Nugget Man.

>>52645921
And yet people were still spitting fire in his direction by the time he did get selected, which is exactly my point. The DM simply liked him.

>>52645949
Your app is probably decent, I just needed to toss someone at the bottom of the list and your formatting caused me physical pain.

Also:
>literally touhou

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>>52645949
I don't think he likes it.

I haven't the nerve to dedicate a deal of time to an application that I'd feel proud of, and potentially face rejection, or bad feelings from others who may have spent equal time to be rejected. Instead, I figure it's more constructive of me to be supportive of you guys. I really do like thumbing through your guys' work, and I hope I get to continue to do so for some time.

>>52645968
GM is probably a 2hufag, seeing as he's letting in stuff like this
http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=5683.0

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>>52645968
>literally touhou
If life hands you Touhou Battle Grimore, make curtain fire shooting!
I'm going to get a smoldering sized girl with poorly defined time powers in ONE of Argentum's games, just you wait and see. One day he'll slip up and BAM, she'll be there all cutesy like and everything.

>>52645998
Time sphere is fucking garbage in SoP tho

>>52645954
>nugget man
>shit
>not as good as falafel

>>52645867
>the title of course having a connotation of credibility and expertise.

That's kinda why I namefag, and do so across every game, rather than picking a new one for each. I don't want people to blindly trust me, I want to let them know how I think; so they can decide for themselves if I'm credible.

>In practice, almost none of this discussion actually gets us anywhere, or inspires anons to make meaningful changes to apps.

While the rest of your post has is debatable, I'd disagree with this statement.

Most of the apps I go over do significantly improve in the following days; oftentimes changing things I noticed but didn't comment on. While it's very possible the two things are unrelated, I'd like to believe people are taking the comments reviewers and using them as a jumping off point to re-evaluate their own writing. For me, if I'm trying to edit a piece, I find it difficult to pick what to begin with; however, once someone's given me a starting point, I start finding problems I never would have noticed before.

>>52645954
Who the hell is Nugget Man? I keep seeing them mentioned.

>>52646019
I never said 'reviewers are not good for the app process,' because that would be wrong. I mentioned the popular namefag specifically because the people who use it use it because they generally know what they're doing. except when they don't and it's fairly obvious.

The reason people hold this feedback in such high regard is because it's generally more valuable than the average comment, which is the kind of thing I'm talking about, and the reason I made the distinction between shitposts with no analysis and reviews. Am I talking in circles?

>>52645962
Literally chose the characters at random

>>52646071
Okay, so my point still stands. Regardless of whether he was chosen by chance or because the DM liked his app, it still wasn't actually based on the merits /pfg/ would have judged him by.

Always think about party balance
Never be a duplicate

>>52646094
Which is hard as fuck to do in this meta of applying as a character, and not a player.

>>52645867
>>52646019
Really, all you need to do for abelpful review is to do a few tick boxes:
>Does the application have basic grammar and spelling
>Does it fit the setting
>Does the character have appropriate back story for their level
>Does the character have the rough same alignment to the rest of the party
>Does the backstory give the GM plot hooks to use
>Is the character actually interesting

Once you judge a character on that it's pretty easy for people to see what is done right or not. Unless you have a nonstandard application, in which case it usually succeeds or fails spectacularly.

>>52646111
Yup
Which is why roll20 apps are crazy
First you should pick players, then roles and then characters

>>52646060
>Am I talking in circles?

No, no, I was just misunderstanding your point. Sleep deprivation'll do that.

And I would agree, basically everything that goes on here in-regards to characters is shitposting.

Though, I'd hazard a guess and say that's just due to the over-saturation of games, and the community division that goes along with it. Back in November-December, when meme games were just starting up, there were some fairly decent discussions going on (amidst the shitposting). As groups have formed and people began to congregate in their own chat channels /pfg/ started experiencing a brain drain of sorts, where the people who got into games (the "best and brightest" as it were) left /pfg/ to discuss in their own cliques, making legitimate discussions fewer and farther between.

>>52646121
I mean, I guess, sure. The thing is, we've been doing this so long that people are, almost always, more than meeting those basic criteria.

>>52646111
>>52646148
This shit is the exact reason I haven't applied to any of these memefests. Sure, I'd love to go on a sweet quest with you guys, and fuck yes I'm a pervert who'd love to textfuck and be textfucked, but fuck if I'm writing out a character in a void. I need to play off the rest of my party, damnit! Haven't these assholes ever heard of cohesion?

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>>52646121
>for abelpful review
welp, I'm off to sudoku

>>52646154
The ones who go above the basic criteria are the ones that frankly don't need reviews, because they're usually well written enough to only need praise.

>>52646170
>well written enough to only need praise

Nothing only needs praise.

>>52646160
>fuck if I'm writing out a character in a void
You have a whole setting usually. Look to the information available in the "setting details" thread or in the LFG posting to get some info.

Pairing with other characters can be done after selection if you just ask the GM if you can tie together backstories.

>>52646193
While true, for the competently written apps most criticism or suggestions to make it better will stem from reviewer bias more than correcting basic errors. It's not wrong to provide suggestions at that point, but it is a lot, a LOT more subjective.

>>52646250
What's wrong with subjectivity when a review is designed to determine the quality of, as well as how enjoyable a character is? It's a concept mired in subjectivity to begin with, and the only real bouts of objectivity in the practice will be pointing out flaws in formatting, or grammar.

>>52646373
Because unless you/re the Gm, you're subjective enjoyment of the app doesn't mean shit for dick.

>>52646373
>What's wrong with subjectivity when a review is designed to determine the quality of, as well as how enjoyable a character is?
Praise or criticism is fine, but subjectivity is not good when actually suggesting improvements. You don't know what the GM likes, and while you can guess and suggest it, people can be influenced quite significantly by reviews especially suggestions.

Unless you can work out what the GM likes, in which case go for whatever suggestion you'd want to see.

>>52646003
He's using Lunar Dial, a discipline from the Grimoire. All of TBG is busted as fuck so he will be fine.

>>52645968
The Touhou Battle Grimoire stuff has quite a bit of the stuff we often see /pfg/ complain was lacking in PoW and demand from SoM.

Several disciplines for example can make it difficult to touch more than a handful of maneuvers from other disciplines: one's "school" can easily be, barring a trick or two learned here or there, one's entire initiation ability. Plus pretty much every discipline has one of those oldschool tactical feats that we all loved.

Love-Coloured Magic: Sealed Maneuvers do not need to be readied but are only available when all other maneuvers are depleted and remain expended until you recover maneuvers and bottom out again.

Ancient Temple requires and uses a specific pair of blades to do its dirty work.

Doll Judgement requires you to craft dolls ahead of time, but the maneuvers using them then use their own reach from your controlling hands. With the right feat you learn its maneuvers as prepared spells for a wizard or the like, expending spell slots.

Divine Flame can combine some high level maneuvers; expending one (oft-specific) as fuel to add a bonus to the other one, and can overcharge its stances momentarily. But it builds up heat, and going over will shut your initiating down but hard. There's feats to bypass this for a moment; that gets dangerous.

Lunar Dial requires you to have a *LOT* of throwing knives on hand, BUT many of its maneuvers have 'stopwatch' effects, where you can kill the maneuver's effect early for a different boon. Not many disciplines run on you ENDING your own stances do they?

Plain History requires you to have nothing in hand at all, and is almost entirely skill based: you can and will talk things to death, or rewrite history so they were in a different spot, doing different things.

>>52646692
Riverside View is all like, GP-Toss and shit.

>>52645719
No. His wife dislikes it.

How do the people of the manawastes build all these golems and clockwork bullshit if they can;t use magic/don't use magic?

>>52645962
>>52646071
>>52646084

>>52645921
Uh, I did change my app. Primarily because the first guy I applied with (Ezekiel) was stepping on the toes PRETTY heavily on Mercedes, and because the ridiculous build I had for him (STR TWF with a Kinetic Blade and a conductive longsword) was... untenable. I tried to revise it but it just seemed like it was a copy of Mercedes, so I scrapped it (I did leave it up if anybody wanted to use it in their games, some folks trawl through /pfg/ game apps for NPCs) and then posted Rory kinda hastily. A couple reviewanons later, a revision, and, uh, yeah. That happened

Funny how time flies, huh, anon?

>>52646867
With gears

>>52646921

People tend to forget that the review process also includes Revision.

It's why we have Unchained summoners now.

>>52644946
Sorry, I'm really sleepy, Anon. You might have to do it yourself.

>>52645998
That way the GM can just go
*Here's 60 troops of goblins*, and the party just starts drawing floral patterns on the map.

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>>52647145
But on a grid map, wouldn't that become...

Tile... patterns?

>Friend returns from his time away, gets everyone together, is going to DM a Pathfinder campaign.

>Bans Gunslinger, Summoner classes, Kitsune, Human and Android races.

So if I'm going to play a class/build so effective it'll make him wish I had the chance to misfire and gimp my character permanently, what would said build/class be? Feasibly going to level ~15 on this one, should we survive.

>>52645740
Evil's always a big risk. Chaotic Evil can practically be a red flag all on its own. You've written CE well, mind, but it's still at the very least quite a chance for a party to take in someone whose hobbies include murdering their own family.

Your guy sort of sounds like a less pasty Sander Cohen, which is interesting, but not very party-friendly.

>>52647246
Earth or Aether Kineticist, or something like that.

Not because it's powerful, but because you'll proceed to apply your basic powers to everything, nonstop.

You know the term "when all you have is a hammer"?

Make the world your nail.

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>>52647272
Water.

Go water.

Be the goddess of plasterers and party-tricks

Curse of the Lazy Throne Session 4 was last night! Session 3 got cut short due to roll20 fucking itself, and we didn't really do too much anyway, so here's a double greentext.

>After capturing Gaedren Lamm, the party hears the sounds of rioting in the streets.
>The King is dead. And everyone has lost. Their. Shit.
>Since they've decided to turn Gaedren and his evidence in to the Korvosan Guard, the party makes its way to Citadel Volshyenek using the back alleys
>The trip is largely uneventful, outside of Beatrice getting accosted by an insane doomsayer and Sofia slapping him away.
>Fortunately, the Korvosan Guard are reasonable people and we turn Gaedren into their custody. The Watch Captain on duty even knocks his old ass out, which makes all of us happy.
>However, we still have an orphan girl to take care of, and Ophelia's hesitant to leave her with the Guard. So we head to the nearest safe place we can.
>This happens to be Zellara's house.
>As we walk in, Zellara manifests from her Harrow Deck. Turns out she was dead the whole time, who knew?

>>52647272
Come to think of it, I've never made a Kineticist in any fashion within Pathfinder. Are they hard to play?

>>52647295

That picture is quite the bribe. Anything beyond party favors and wet stockings?

>>52647461

>Zellara apologizes for the slight deception, but since she couldn't get back at Gaedren Lamm she consulted the only people she knew who could: two former guards, a somewhat spoiled rich psychic armory, and the most optimistic orphan in the world.
>Really, she was only missing two more teenagers with attitude (Ein's an old man at 27)
>Unfortunately, it seems like Zellara can't rest just yet - her devotion to Korvosa is so strong that her deck actually has that purpose as an intelligent item.
>But, being the generally nice people we are, we take up the crusade - in exchange for being able to use her house, of course.
>And so, the party has a sleepover in a dead woman's place.
>They wake up the next morning to find that the rioting hasn't stopped yet, unfortunately... and they have to return the Queen's brooch.
>After making their morning preparations, the party leaves Alinza (the little orphan girl) behind and sets off for Castle Korvosa, once again taking the back streets.
>Ophelia is a master of survival, apparently.
>But this time, the trip isn't so uneventful! We run into a mob of rioters chasing after a nobleman!
>Due to half the party trying to scare them away and the other half attempting diplomacy, the mob is confused... But combat ensues anyway
>Beatrice pulls the nobleman away from the crowd, and Sofia knocks the leader out with a nonlethal mind blade
>Ophelia pulls out a sap and starts knocking heads in
>Ein does what he does best - summoning things. In this case it's a pair of Celestial Eagles that can apparently roll ridiculously well
>The nobleman, a bit frightened, tries to calm the crowd down... and apparently had a silver fucking tongue because he does so.
>He introduces himself as Amin Jalento, then tries to win the Beatrice Bowl by giving her his ring as a reward for helping to save his life
>Sofia, not to be outdone, makes a pass at him as well

>>52647528
She's good at resurrection?

Kineticists are simple enough to play. They are hard to make good. If you have 3pp access they can be made very good, but if 1pp only, optimize the utter fuck out of them or you're in trouble.

>>52647599
In regards to optimization:
You need CON. You also want DEX for ranged hits. Despite your large HP and con base you ARE a squishy, a very squishy indeed; very easily knocked out. Keep your Burn at the level you need to max out overflow, and remember you can often not do much with your blasts unless you use Gather Power. Physical blast accuracy is very low; you're a BAB 15 and while your overflow compensates somewhat, you're still hitting no better than a BAB 20 with a nonmagical weapon and no 'training' bonus. So for many targets energy blasts are the thing; but of course their damage is low. Do not assume you're a primary damage dealer; it may be better to use debuffs and debilitators so long as you can keep them free.

>>52647575
>We shoot the shit with Amin for a while, turns out he's going to the castle as well. He decides to travel with us since we're infinitely better at fighting than he is.
>Castle Korvosa is an imposing structure, brimming with Korvosan Guard and a bunch of new figures that we don't recognize.
>In fact, Ein points out via collective that there's no sign of Sable Company anywhere - and that, at least until yesterday, they were always responsible for the monarchy's security
>However, after being patted down and turning in our weapons (except for Beatrice's scarf, due to a godly Sleight of Hand roll), we're let in without incident.
>Sabina, the captain of the Queen's guard, is completely no nonsense all the time. So either the worst waifu bait or the best.
>The Queen, bless her heart, is quite grateful to find out that we've found her brooch. In thanks, she gives us 1200 gold and a commendation to join the Korvosan Guard as private agents.
>Ein is enthusiastic to be basically reinstated without most of the stuffy restrictions. Ophelia has her reservations but eventually relents.
>Sabina is a bit nicer on the way out, still kind of a bitch though. She arranges for an escort back to the Citadel.
>On the way back, the party teases Sofia a bit. Ein pleads the 5th on his opinion of her, but her attempts to pryban answer out of him are stymied by the arrival of the one true waifu of this AP:
>Field Marshal Cressida Kroft.
>Cressida is excited to have some reliable people for once - especially two that she's already familiar with, and after accepting our new position as Agents of the Guard we receive our first assignment.
>Turns out there's a deserter who's been convincing Guardsmen to... well, desert. Our orders are to take him alive, if possible - and to find out what's causing him to be the city's second biggest asshole right now.

>>52647599
Considering I know jack shit about the class period, 3pp/1pp is generally irrelevant. Going with the assumption that the DM won't allow third party though..

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>>52646160

I actually got into a /pfg/ game and I don't feel like my character fits in. If my character were removed, the party wouldn't be missing anything. Feels bad.

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Don't hide it from me, /pfg/.

Tell me about the revolution your party ignited. Was it successful or where you all hanged for treason?

>>52648310
I'm sure that's not true, anon. What character is yours?

Player Companions are not 1pp content, they are not made by Paizo
It is weird how they normalized 3pp

>>52648374
It may be. Characters never end up being QUITE like we imagine them when writing up an app or even just creating them. It takes a session or three to really get a handle on their personality; to find what truly 'flows' with them.

And sometimes that means the party just don't mesh so perfectly.

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>>52648624
>Player Companions are not 1pp content, they are not made by Paizo

>>52648725
They are not written by paizo employees
They are not edited by paizo employees
They are not controlled by Paizo in any means

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>>52648744
>They are not written by paizo employees
>They are not edited by paizo employees
>They are not controlled by Paizo in any means

>>52648752
What is so hard to understand.

>>52648374
I can't say.

>>52641721
Noi.

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>>52648782

>>52648624
>Published by Paizo
>Not Paizo content

Nigga u high as fuk

>>52648918
So?
They still put zero quality control to it

>>52648934
They don't even have quality control for mainline stuff, anon

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What happened in the latest Hell's Rebels session?

>>52647295
Aqua is canon nopan, right?

>>52649074
Yes and no...
Supposedly she wears them, but, with her maxed out intelligence, she made them invisible so that people wouldn't be able to see them or take pantyshots.

>>52649119
Where was that from? It's not in the LNs, and I didn't catch it in the anime.

>>52649119
That's fucking genius.

>>52649007
Group A (kemonomimi fancy party) or Group B (obnoxious college kids)?

>>52649265
Yes.

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>>52649265
Any!

>>52642034
I'd use my trip if I remembered what the code was. Not a bamboozling, though it's low ish on my priority list. Selections will be made Thursday, and the first session will be a week after that.

>>52649281
Group B :
Alexa made the whole thing grind to a halt by asking "who the hell are you people and why should I trust you?" And no one could answer the question because theyre all playing weirdos.

Then they got in a dance battle with greaser rats

>>52649320
If you want to make a new trip, make the trip up then post it to yourself, then confirm post >>blah is yours and that's your new trip!

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>tfw no Order of the Blazing Sun-esque Order for the Cavalier
>tfw can't deck my armor out in bitchin' solar heraldry without being associated with a Goddess that neither fits the motif or culture
>tfw can't ignite my lance with sunfire through sheer force of anger alone

>>52649409
Good point. Thanks Anon. Also, that dude you replied to is in fact me.

>>52649469
Don't listen to this faker. I'm the real Argentum. And to prove it, I'll make the Shardwalkers LFP page private.

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>>52649469
Now for verification all you need to do is to make a post in the lfg pointing to the post that's yours, and then we'll know which is the true Argentum's trip!

Or y'know, be powered by the salt. That's easier and more fun!

>>52649518
he already did that.

>>52649469
is him

checkmate.

>>52649518
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4757126/question-thread/?pageforid=4898826#post-4898826

62k is fake and gay.

>>52649489
blown
the
fuck
out

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>>52649489
Got it, thanks for the heads up, Argentum!

>>52649281
>>52649311

Here are links to Group A greentexts made by our GM:

>>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/52583081/#52586161
>>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/52583081/#52586171

And to additional details by one of the players (me):

>>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/52583081/#52586430

>>52649644
What happened to the imp?

>>52649653
Nothing so far, will probably transfer the contract to us so she will have to obey us. Session ended before we could delve deeper into the cellar and decipher the documents found there. Will continue this Thursday but with Serigala absent because 2hu can't make it (greaser rats' boss will help us in his place).

New Thread:

>>52649788
>>52649788
>>52649788

>>52649794
>page 6

why tho?

>>52649820
At least it's not an anime OP