Pathfinder General /pfg/

Last session, I ate two attacks of opportunity from a dire wolf, knocked down once and tripped again. It sucked and my character began bleeding out, but it allowed an ally to complete the objective.

I was reflecting upon my experience, and was in a similar situation my first adventure with this character. I used a smokestick (for the first time every) and it saved the party's ass from a minotaur.

If I move while in the threatened range of an enemy while in a cloud of smokestick, obscuring mist, or anything else like that, that would not provoke an attack of opportunity, correct? Thus, using a wand of obscuring mist while prone would enable me to stand up, even if I am right next to an enemy, is that correct?

I want to play a cute Nirmathi ranger girl that's secretly in love with a handsome Molthuni officer!

>! Do you like classes with an option of getting a cute, possible supernatural critter helping you?
No. I hate features like that with a grand passion.

>Round 1
>Level 3 Avowed crits an Aether Lance
>Does 88 damage due to Overcharge Modulcation
>Downs two CR3 Trolls
I THOUGHT THE MONSTERS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THE RAPING

>>52607227
>le nat 20 meme
Fuck off.

>>52607256
>>52607256
What meme? You realize nat 20's, which are confirmed easily against low ac creatures like trolls, do in fact double damage?

Are you saying that Overcharge Modulation isn't an immense amount of damage now being doubled?

>>52607167
FFXIV Scholar homebrew never.

>>52607289
Wow, it's almost like OM is a problem that should've been fixed a long time ago instead of nerfing the shit out of everything else. Surely no one, especially not me, has ever considered such a wild and unexpected scenario.

>>52607167
>Isn't that just busywork to control two characters at once? Isn't it also lame how every nature-themed class or archetype gets animal companion as if it was the only thing distinguishing them?

Yes.

>>52607227
>implying that's going to stop the Honkening

>>52607182

Yes according to RAW. However mind that using the smokestick/wand provokes an attack of opportunity on its own. so it's really only useful if your enemy has combat reflexes.

>>52607354
I really hate that "you are tied to nature so you get animal companion!" shit. Like, seriously, stop. There are more ways to show that someone gets their power from primal sources.

>>52607416
I just want a big fluffy woof to sleep with.

>>52607380

>Activation: Wands use the spell trigger activation method, so casting a spell from a wand is usually a standard action that doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity.

So, that would be a great thing to use to cover standing up from prone or something like that.

All this ludonarrative dissonance stuff is overblown, the vast majority of apps even if the quality is bad are perfectly functional for a game of DnD. It's really so much more about improv skills than creative writing.

>>52607423
If you can't bullshit up a decent app, you certainly can't improv well

Fuck it. I'm bored.

Rolled a random Shardwalkers app and got... Mari aka Crimson Gleam!

Review incoming shortly.

>>52607423
i'm going to second what the first reply said here.

apps are the best way to determine quality in terms of time efficiency

>>52607442
O-oh. I was hoping for mine, but this is fine too.

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>>52607442

>>52607431
>>52607447

Totally missing the point, app process is not in question.

Why wouldn't characters have ludonarrative dissonance when the entire fucking rules system is choc full of it?

>>52607331
>>52607289
>>52607227
Overcharge Modulation, being bonus damage, isn't multiplied on a crit. The actual Aether Pulse damage is, however, multiplied, just not OM's extra damage.

>>52607463
>A few anons said they really like when they seen ludonarrative harmony

Yes and?

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Since we touched on it last thread, what makes a character "interesting" to you /pfg/? What makes them into someone who you want to hear how their story plays out or how they interact with the campaign/AP? Are gimmicks needed to be interesting, and if so what is a "right amount" of gimmick? Gimmick referring to narrative ones, and not so much build ones, though those can be compelling sometimes.

>>52607452
Which one is yours?

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Do your guys characters ever get fatalistic, fighting to the death no matter the odds?

>>52607474
Then the math would have been 38 damage on both trolls

>>52604583
You know they ripped that spell straight outta pathfinder, right? We've had it for four years.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/ceremony/

>>52607493
Yes. I love fights to the death and resolutions from characters like 'I will finish this fight/mission even if it kills me. One of my favorite tropes.

>>52607479
its difficult to describe what makes something compelling but basically

have a solid goal

make it something thats more or less unique to that character or could be spun to make it unique.

especially something that proves that the character fits and belongs in this setting moreso than others.

basically if you can copypaste your character into every campaign and have little to no changes its a shitty character

>>52607421

I want to snuggle up with you!

>>52607525
>>52607493
I want my character I'm playing currently to have an epic last stand type fight where he holds the line so his allies can escape to safety.

And he starts the fight saying "Only one of you will have your name written in the history books for killing me. Who wants to try first?"

>>52607493

No and frequently this gets me in trouble with the GMs when the trouble gets beyond my characters capabilities and they bolt.

>>52607493
Yes, but usually only because systems have set movement speeds and no mechanics for escaping combat.

>>52607553
That's a good point. I think a character can have the same personality and build and what not, but if it feels unrelated to the setting, the whole thing just feels out of place. Like if you want to be a stern, but caring tactician type, that can probably work in a lot of campaigns or settings, but the "why are they doing anything" element of the character should be build to be as congruous with the campaign plot, since it either never comes up, or more rarely, takes over the plot of the game.

>>52607565
Fuck man, I live for the moment I get to deliver one of those lines

in particular, I desperately want to yell this line https://youtu.be/LrP80gAIk5U?t=48

>>52607227
Aether Pulse Lv3 = 2d6: even with ioun would still be 2d6 (could've gone up to 3d6 @4th with that). 3 selections (which is maxing it out early) = 4d6 with ioun.
Dmg +1 for FCB. Dmg +1 Enhancement. Dmg +3 2h power attack?
Strength 22(?!?) = 6*1.5 = 9 and it's probably not that high even if 2hu made it.
+1d6 extra damage from modulation.
Crit 20/x2

Maximum damage 24+14 +1d6 = 44
Maximum Crit Damage = 82

IF every single die rolled maximum, AND the character is optimized as fuck for aether-lancing, AND of the right species and feats, you still don't attain that level of damage.

in other words, you're a lying sack of shit.

Should I get a young squire, apprentice, or protegee so he can carry all my stuff?

>>52607493
Rarely willing to back down, since if it can kill us it can almost certainly outrun and outdetect our hiding too.

>>52607689
>>52607689
It was 44 on 2 trolls, hence 88 (though the crit math was still wrong)

>>52607689
Not that they should have that ioun stone at level 3, given it's 10 times their fucking expected WBL.

Definite bullshit on that 88 there.

>>52607493
Yes, because it's the right thing to do!

>>52607694
Always. Make sure you teach him about lovemaking with hands on lessons too!

>>52607713
Oh so what you're saying is a level 3 wizard deals 96 damage with burning hands.

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>>52607694
Get a goat. Ride it around.

>>52607694

Only if you're a genuine Knight or master of a craft.

Wait, doesn't this mean half the cast of the /pfg/ campaigns should get boy wonders or artists or bright-eyed heroines or foxes?

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>>52607754
I'll farm too!

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>>52607167
I once wanted to make a paladin dog that took leadership, for the handler. Would need to start a game at level 7 though.

Now that I see the feat that combines leadership with preexisting pet features I want to find an excuse to make something with a big ass worg. I haven't decided how to go about that yet, though.

>>52607779
Back in 2e, this was completely part of the game. At name level (usually 9, some classes 10) you were basically considered a master and it took considerable effort and mistreatment in order to avoid disciples flocking to your door.

>DM asks how we're going to deal with evil minor artifact
>say "I got this"
>walk up to it
>say boop
>tell party I cast planeshift on it
>smug look towards to the DM

See I'm HOPING he turns this on us.

>>52607785
I love you anon. I'll let you treat me like your breeding sow.

>>52607754
>>52607742

Why not both?

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>>52607819
You're nothing but a pervert!

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>>52607823
>teaching a goat love making with hands-on lessons and then riding around on it all day
>mfw

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>>52607823

>>52607858
But I'm your pervert. The pervert who's only perverted for you.

Is there a third party supplement that makes alchemical items good?

>>52607886
its called 'the alchemist'

Where are the rules for a normal katar on the SRD?

>>52607891
I meant good at higher levels.

>>52607898
Punching dagger.

>>52607891

Yep, and that's first party.

>>52607886

The grenadier archetype seems pretty interesting, cause you can apply alchemical items onto arrows. I think it's a move action, so that + vital strike could be somewhat viable.

I hope everyone's having a good Saturday?

>>52607912

Where's it state that? Can't even find it on the PaizoSRD.

>>52607905
Its called 'the alchemist'

>>52607928
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/weapons/weapon-descriptions/dagger-punching/

>>52607928
Because it says Dagger, punching.
A Katar is exactly a Dagger, punching.
So if you want a Katar, that's Dagger, punching.

>>52607943
Right, but where does it state that Katars = Punching Daggers? They're in different weapon groups after all.

>>52607963
>katars aren't punching daggers

>>52607963
Tri-bladed katars are in a different group. Punching daggers are just normal katars, and assumingly, them not being in the light blades group is a typo or because they're not "blade" like enough and too "fist" related.

>>52607905
>full pouch

>>52607973
The fact that they're in different weapon groups (Light Blades & Close) vs Punching Daggers (Close) is what's confusing.

Meanwhile, normal Daggers aren't Close weapons because ???

What kind of custom weapon would Assassin Creed hidden blade be?

>>52608030
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment/weapons/weapon-and-armor-accessories/#TOC-Wrist-Sheath-spring-loaded

>>52608030

Reskin a butterfly knife?

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Does anyone have a generic character generator or something I can use to generate a slayer?

>>52607442
Waiting for this review like wew

>>52608081

Is the Slayer a man or woman? Where are they from? Give us a tiny bit about their personality.

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>>52608096
The Slayers a man in his mid 30s, with a robotic arm/construct arm who happens to be a Gunslinger/Bounty Hunter.

He's definitely NOT generic.

>>52608023
You can be in multiple groups

>>52607167
Pet classes were a mistake. Fucking WotC deciding that giving someone an entirely seperate set of actions was a good idea. Fucking Paizo for making the Summoner.

Fucking both of them for setting the expectation that a pet class needs to be MORE POWERFUL than a class without a pet because each creature needs to be considered a goddamn standalone character.

>>52608115
The pet should be incredibly weak and you should have to get new ones a lot from their deaths.

"In this edition of /pfg/, crying over pet classes that nobody fucking plays anyways"

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>>52608142

>>52608106
Right, but if Punching Daggers and Katars are the same thing, why aren't they in the same groups?

>>52607924
It's ERPtastic!

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>>52608094
>>52607442

Well wait no longer!

Bored, reviewing a couple Shardwalkers, starting with Mari aka Crimson Gleam

>Half-Drow born from an unhappy union.
>Treated like a slaver throughout childhood
>Runs away and joins the circus.
>Has some bardic talents, and travels with them for a time.
>Troupe alternately abuses and cares for her; never giving her a comfortable life, but never giving her the impetus to run.
>Attacked by bandits in the wilderness; which she fights off in the guise of the Crimson Gleam.
>Once they escape, she flees through a random gate and ends up in Karlsgard.

A drow outcast wandering through life with a song in her heart, and a bow in hand.

Good:
Spheres bards are always good to see, and one focused on healing is certainly going to be welcome in almost any party.

Bad:
Why does the Crimson Gleam even exist? There's absolutely nothing in her backstory which would justify the need for a secret identity AND nothing which gives her any motivation to take up the mantle of a masked crimefighter. It makes no sense, and feels tacked on at the last minute. (Also isn't Transformation sequence part of the Magical Child? Are you allowed to use the pseudo-gestalt to grab archetype features?)

The personality section talks about her "ideals of protecting and inspiring others" so... where does that come from? Everyone she's met has treated her like a slave, so why does she still have this sunny disposition? What motivates her to not give up on people? I can think of half-a-dozen ways to solve this issue, but the author needs to pick one.

Nothing in her personality section really supports this abused outcast that the backstory tells us of. That's not to say she should be angsty all the time, but the hurt doesn't just go away, it's still having *some* effect on her and I'd like to know what that is.

Where are the flaws? As written the character is purely kind/perfect, with no rough edges. Give us something to *dislike.*

>>52608124
>The pet should be incredibly weak and you should have to get new ones a lot from their deaths.
Then what would be the point of having one at all?

>>52608102

That would make him from Alkenstar, which is basically Texas. From how he sounds, you want something gritty and tough, like a strip of cowhide.

Butch, Clint, James, Casey or Billy are good ones. The last name should be a mild pun for the arm while being a bit cool.

How about, James (Jimmy) Cyberin?

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>>52608081
>>52608102
I'm also interested in a generator. I'm tired of making so many NPCs.

>>52608168

>Appeal: 4/10, there's potential here for a fairly nuanced portrait of an abused child perpetually trying to please everyone, in an effort to prevent further abuse. However, what we get doesn't do anything with that concept, and instead just kinda throws its pieces out there with no rhyme, reason, or connection.
>Backstory: 2/10, short and relentlessly dour. doesn't reflect the character's personality at all, and is incredibly generic.
>Compatibility: 8/10, Spheres Bard, personality is Jesus-esque in its niceness.
>Shardiness: 1/10, other than a passing reference to the Way, there's nothing tying her to this specific setting.

Next: Another Roll of the Die! (Unless someone has a specific request.)

>>52608168
Fun fact, you can select Transformation Sequence for any vigilante as of blood of the beast as a level 1 social talent

And yeah I know, I need to work on her, and its nice to have some confirmation of what i feel her problems are.

If you're GMing a game, is it considered poor form to use failed apps as plot relevant NPCs/BBEG Lieutenants tokens?

>>52608200
Only if you don't get the player's permission.

>>52608174
I like Axel Cyberin!

>>52608185

Review one of the Dragons, FotJR or SotJR apps!

>>52608200
Last time a /pfg/ GM did that, a player threw a bitchfit for 3 weeks.

Personally, I think it's alright.

>>52608181
You don't need to generate NPCs. Just make up shit for them on the fly. Your players shouldn't know the extent of the NPCs abilities or skill ranks anyway.

>>52608214

>Cowboy
>Axel

>>52608224
I'm really horrible at improvising stats. Occasionally I will fake roll and just decide the outcome I wanted since the NPCs are usually on their side, but I would never be able to do that for NPC Villains.

>>52607924
I'm getting drunk and listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m5CsL2QYYM and debating if I should swallow this .38 caliber aspirin or not.

How's your saturday?

>>52608216
There literally isn't any point to that beyond jerking them off even more.

Just PM them if you want to get their jizz straight from the tap, you faggot. Leave us out of it.

>>52608233
Fake rolls are 90% of the rolls I make.

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>>52608242
I am paranoid my DM does this to kill us. But I will legit say "let me see that crit" and the die is on 19 or 20 all the time. So I feel like he rolls for real.

>>52608239
>.38 caliber aspirin
Don't do it, man. Please don't.

>>52608252
Most of the "fake" rolls I do are advantageous to the party and their goals. But I do enough negative results to make them think I'm rolling for real, but never quite fucking them over entirely. They have a lot of near defeats they recover from and think they just did really well. It's all about faking it for long improvised sessions. And it's not easy to do, a lot of people I'm sure would do it sloppy.

>>52607331
They didn't nerf the shit out of everything else, just the SAD builds.

>>52607421
Be careful what ya wish for anon.

>>52608261
Don't worry anon. I hate myself, but I'm a worthless coward too.

>>52608239
>.38 caliber
Don't kill yourself you stupid faggot.

>>52607664
Yo Halo: Reach was the sHIT I loved it

To answer the question people were asking in Discord, I do the numerical rankings because when I don't, people freak out and ask for them.

They're vestigial, and just a TL;DR of the points I made above.

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>>52608239
double tap

>>52608371
So why didn't you say that in the Discord?

>>52608387
To retain anonymity.

>>52608400
>sneak dissing
That's low.

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I want to make a healing character, but more focused on staying in the back instead of the front line (not wear armor and such). What are my options at being at least somewhat helpful in combat? Or ditch combat healing entirely? I made an oracle but it feels like i'm wasting half of the class by focusing on healing.

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>>52608239
Be careful the way you aim it. Far too many people just blow their front teeth and nose off, and end up hospitalized and mocked for their incompetence, because they couldn't even An Hero properly.

The cerebellum at the base of the skull is your best bet.

>>52608415
You can do the best by making your friends hit more/hit harder. Anything that boosts their attack rolls and damage rolls would make you literal gold. Even a +1 can spell the difference between a hit or a miss.

>>52608415
Well, Lazy Warlord is a 4e thing, but I'm sure we could come up with something similar.
9S a cute
#nohomo

>>52608425
At least you douchebags have guns. If I wanna kill myself, I have to go hang out by the railyard like some creepy molester.

>>52608415
Buffs are gold. Every + to hit improves the odds of survival and reduces the amount of healing that needs to be done. Temporary HP can often be done before combat begins or while there's no healing to be done, and improves the odds of surviving an alpha-strike, crit, or full-attack. Defensive boosts to AC, miss chance and saving throws all improve the odds of survival.

Combat Healing is GENERALLY a waste: you cannot heal more than they can take in a round without some very specific builds (like a vitalist), and even then, damage not taken is better than damage healed.

>>52608415
Vitalist?

>>52608469
Have you tried being more American?

>>52608469
tall buildings, power outlet, random household chemicals, local law enforcement...

>>52607489
I'm not previous poster but do mine too. I'm Rio's player.

>>52608476
>without some very specific builds (like a vitalist),
Even then you're still extremely limited without investing heavily in massive amounts of power points.

>>52608168
Its a level 1 backstory, the fuck do you expect

>>52608552
A backstory which fits the personality given.

>>52608431
>>52608476
This seems more useful, but i'll have to do some more calculating to see if it's worth it. I've seen buffs gone too waste way too often.
>>52608478
I have completely overlooked this. Thank.
>>52608453
9S is cute but 2B's butt is cuter

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Oh gosh I'm the GM for my RoW game and it's starting RIGHT NOW guys

I really hope I don't botch this!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>52608570
>tfw I found some of the generic androids in the mothership cuter than 2B

>>52608168
If this is the same anon from the other day that did the BitF reviews, thanks!

I ended up looking at the AP players guide and books, which lead to me switching up Sasha's backstory reasons as to being there from an adventurer to a resident of Phaendar as it is her home.

>>52608415
Spiritualists have every healign spell and a good set of buffs. Phantom Blade Spiritualist is a Gish with better options than Magus ever gets, including all the inflict and the cure spells, all the way up to Heal and Harm.

>>52608570
Some buffs are universally useful.

Like, Inspire Courage or Golden Lion's Roar (with community-minded trait especially). More attack and damage will rarely fail to improve the situation.

It's sort of like Blue Mages in FF5: yes you can white-wind, but it's a fuckton more effective if you use Mighty Guard first.

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>>52608570
>spoiler

>>52608570
Your GM might not allow Psionics. Make sure to ask first!

>>52608565
A character can't have a sad backstory but hopes for a better world?

I mean I don't even think the app in question has a good backstory, but there's no reason she can't be a optimist still

This is why reviewanons are cancer, shit hot-takes

>>52608627
The thing is that she has no reason to. She's a fucking half drow. You don't come out of Drow society a happy and bubbly individual without *something* changing you.

>>52608655
Why not?

>>52608627
Of course not. your character can only eb what is implied by their backstory. Ther'es no such thing as change. If you don't spell out your char in their backstory exactly your app is shit and you should stop wasting GM times.

>>52608124
Pets should require you using your actions or powers to have impact on the battlefield. Otherwise they shouldn't do anything or have a very limited/weak set of actions.

>>52608676
Cool, got it, you're fucking worthless.

>>52608627
On the contrary, that's perfectly possible.

But when the backstory is a conga line of traumatic events (one of which was being raised in a CE demon worshiping society), then having the character act super sunny and positive at the end is weird if you don't address it.

The hurt doesn't just go away.

>>52608676
>Falseflagger can't even fucking spell properly.

what was the best ways to reduce armor skill penalty?

>>52608687
>implying I can spell straight afer reading all these dumb ass apps that are shit, shit and shit.
Get fucking tossed loser shitposter-kun. Don't you have a thread to post at page 6 to be posting right now?

Namefags were a mistake.

>>52608704
Noelhunter anon, is that you?

Are you really *this* triggered?

>>52608730
I'm as fucking triggered as some shitposter trying to stir up salt in the thread for no real reason.

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>>52608677
I really hate the term pet. I do approve of the sentiment, though. Give them some basic functionality (AoOs, maybe some support shenanigans without actions) and tell the guy trying to play another party to suck it up.

>>52608725
Anonymity just leads to assholes.

>>52608579
Ganbatte anon

>>52608757
Yes and?

>>52607167
Pet classes are fun, and I greatly enjoy them sometimes. Not always, though, it's usually more fun to stick to a single character so things move along faster.
I say as I plan out a character that has the potential to end up with both an animal companion and leadership

>>52607328
Considering how awful the 5E one turned out, that might not be a bad thing...

>>52608757
>>52608725
What we have is the worst of both worlds honestly.

>tfw one of your favorite apps to the game is getting plowed by rough monsters

I can't HONK to this.

>>52608890
I can and will

>>52608890
>>52608896
I thought it turned out they were actually easily thrashing every combat encounter?

>>52608239
dont do it. please.
reach out and talk to someone. anyone.
about anything.

>>52608890
>Sigmund getting plowed instead of doing the plowing
WHO DARES?

>>52608967
>he thinks Gloriana isn't going to viciously rape Sigmund with her three foot monster cock

Be realistic, Anon.

>>52608960
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GysWv0O1KQM

It's cute. But why do you care? Let's say I do pull the trigger.

Would you even notice? Who am I to you? You'd never noticed if I keep posting or not. So where do you get off thinking you can tell someone else not to? I hate people like you.

>>52609035
Pulling the trigger is the bitch way out

Go find something to jump off of and do a flip

>>52609035
You're right, he wouldn't.

Life is shit. But you're here for the ride anyway, you may as well enjoy the good things while you can.

>>52608955
Sometimes you have to pay the troll toll, Anon.

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>>52609035
So how's middle school treating you kid?

>>52608890

>He doesn't want to fall asleep to the jingle-jangle of Bonbon getting fucked by the guy next door.

>>52608955
It takes a few encounters to figure out proper balance for difficulty

This one may have been too much if not for Lysanders crit to oneahot two of the trolls

>>52609235
I want to fall asleep to the jingle jangle of Bonbon getting fucked by me.

Check out the new and improved Mari, now with extra edge for you to cut yourself on

https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4757158/application-thread/?pageforid=4844224#post-4844224

>>52609280
I want PLD, its GM, all of its players, and all of its "fans" to fall asleep forever.

>>52608730
Review Nugget Man

>>52609338
stop asking for reviews of a character everyone loves

Its like asking for a review of the Doll in WWW, pointless.

>>52607416
Such as?

>>52609344
But I'd like to see a review of the Doll too.

>>52609344
>everyone loves Nugget Man
What?

>>52609035
Empathy kid, it won't affect him. It will affect you.
Through circumstance you are asking the question of suicide, yes/no. When people consider the yes option it is a guarantee they are mentally unfit to make that choice.
By considering it, you have shown that you are unfit to make that choice. Anon in question is attempting to prevent a poor outcome in your case by attempting to dissuade you from suicide. It won't affect him, it will affect you.
He's doing this entirely for your sake, stop thinking its about others. Get to a right state of mind, then contemplate suicide. Trust me, I know what I am talking about, I have a fair bit of experience with depression and such. I know what it is like. Suicide is a colossal waste of your time.
In short, you are unstable, so avoid making big decisions currently, do talk to someone, it actually helps a lot.
Just calm down and think sensibly on this.

>>52609394
>not loving the nugget man
>CURRENT YEAR

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>>52607328
>Give the fairy a mediocre single-target heal she can cast on every turn. She can't attack in any way and can give flanks but is rather frail so that's risky.
>Majority of your healing is put on the fairy. You can give out temporary HP and resistances. You also place debuffs and control the battlefield.
>OH SHIT healing buttons in case of damage spikes.
>Fairy has more powerful moves she can use once per encounter/day/whatever. Stuff like fast healing for everyone, buff giving additional HP for every heal, dispell magic or restoration.

This way you can still have healing while not being a healbot yourself. The real pain would be to balance the fairy's healing ad your own abilities to not be too strong. Not sure if it would be better to do under Vancian (probably custom spell list) or SoP or something else.

>>52609403
Of all the times I've posted that or some variation there of, yours is the first post that isn't just "suicide is bad, mmkay?" to one degree or another.

You did a good job.

>>52609530
>Balancing scholar
>Ever
Ha

>>52609403
>>52609539
This, so very much.
When you're considering suicide in a depression, your mindset isn't calm, it isn't reasonable, and logic fails you completely. You're about as capable as you are when you're drunk, or when you're high on cocaine. Your decisions are flawed from the get-go, and you aren't in a stable state of mind to be able to weigh cause, effect, or possible alternatives. You are doing yourself a disservice by contemplating suicide while you're in a mental state that prevents proper critical thinking, because by doing so you're neglecting your higher reasoning, and potentially under the mistaken belief that suicide is "the answer to it all". It MIGHT very well be, in certain circumstances.
But it very rarely is, and you'll never know unless you think about it in the right state of mind.

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WHERE DA LOGS AT?

>/pfg/ - Suicide Prevention Chat
And I prefer this over the normal shitposting.

>>52609681
fuck off

>>52609681

What logs? There are no logs.

>>52608976

Gloriana doesn't strike me as the type who would be dominant like that. Power bottom probably.

>>52609738
Once she gains the dick from all the gnoll raping she'll suffer...

>>52609738
Corruption can theoretically corrupt ones urges and cause personality changes on a pretty dramatic level, on paper. You may end up in a situation where the corruption sort of piggybacks on existing urges, desires, Id stuff, and Dramatically enhances and mutates it, creating a sort of Shadow Personality that contends for dominance, until eventually growing powerful enough to supplant the old one.

>>52607182
If you move out of a threatened range you still provoke an AoO if they threaten you. You would have concealment with fogcloud and smokestick, not sure about obscuring mist while within 5 ft.

Using a wand does not provoke an AoO, standing up still would, while an enemy threatens you and still has AoOs for the round.

>>52609704
>>52609706
Can't live without fucking logs, son! I gotta vicariously game!

>>52607754
I'm going to be playing a halfling oracle with the clouded vision curse who has a seeing eye goat in an upcoming game. Should be pretty fun.

>>52609998

>Seeing eye goat
>Not seeing eye dog

Oh shit what are you doing?

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>>52609681
>>52609947
>Lysander and Bon-bon are snooping through a party
>Local baron has just re-opened his family's mine
>Story is he used the Marisian College's engineering expertise to make it profitable
>The Nightwalkers smell magic afoot
>Shmooze up the 16yo shota lordling
>Have him take them to the mines
>The Ley Engine doesn't work well
>Lord is secretly using Troll Slaves
>Disembodied voice taunts them before releasing Miasma into the tunnels
>Trolls go crazy and attack
>Lysander valiantly cuts his way free
>Bon-bon gets torn to the ground by the surviving pack of trolls
>LOGS!?!?!

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>>52610019
!

>>52610019
Also, Bon-bon is very good at dancing and entertaining both the commoners and the nobility!

Lysander got the first kiss of the game after https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ_HHRJf0xg

>>52610048
Still in progress

>>52610015
Playing the Giantslayer adventure path which is full of mountainous regions (and I plan to ride the goat though craggy areas).

I also thought it would be funny.

>thinking about unironically dumping con for flavor reasons
Someone stop me.

>>52610398
No. Flavor is important.

Hey guys? I know that we mostly only help with builds and the like for players here, but is it okay if I pick your brains into helping me as a DM?

>>52610410
Sure

>>52610404
Not dying is also important

>>52610398

What's your party role and WHY are you taking low Con, so you can be tired easily or be sickly?

>>52610535
Support and Sickly. As in "has a terminal disease" sickly.

>>52610546
Oracle VMC a curse.

>>52610546

You can have 10 Con or even 8 Con and portray yourself as sickly and dying!

>>52610579
I don't even want the other Oracle stuff as I loath the flavor of the Oracle with a passion and I hate VMC stuff in general.
>>52610583
I was just going to go with 8 anyway.

>>52610609

Are you the same anon that hated the Avowed?

>>52610639
Which one? A lot of people don't like the Avowed.

Would you say that 12 con is alright for a ranged character with a d10 hit die?

I'm a bit worried I should go with 14 but I do like my 14 int for more skill points.

>>52610019
Lysander confirmed for Diamond Dog

>>52609819
So it asks for a stupid-looking boss?

>>52610609

>Not going with 7 and a -CON race

I guess someone doesn't want to commit to the character.

>>52610650
yes, more than enough really

>>52610019
WE'RE NOT JUNKYARD HOUNDS

WE'RE DIAMOND DOGS

>>52610670

He smooched Bonbon, he SMOOCHED her on the LIPS.

>>52610673
I don't understand the reference.

>>52610675
>ywn date a cute, 5 CON dhampir girl
>ywn gently caress her
>ywn tenderly make love to her, with the knowledge that any errant thrust could break her frail body with ease

Why even live?

>>52610704

IT IS SYMBOLIIIIIIIIC

>>52610715
>mfw i thought about doing this but didn't want to have like 3 hp

>post yfw a Diamond Dog actually did get in
>but then Vult ran a good and normal game
>all the rest of the players are super friendly
>couldn't bring himself to fuck it all up
>just goes MIA and deletes his account instead

>>52610692
Is she pregnet now?

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>>52610732
>mfw

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>>52610427
Thanks anon. As a bit of backstory I'm running my game twice, once with my IRL friends and one with people I found here. The one with IRL friends is a bit further ahead in the story since I ran that once first.

The issue I'm having with the IRL group is that I'm not entirely sure what I should do to challenge them. The group consists of a level 4 archer Magus, an investigator, and an AC "tank" monk that has the total defense vow, and his saves are nothing to sneeze at either (plus even if I do hit he has Crane Wing so he just deflects it). I also gave them an poorly built DMPC that's essentially just a healbot Druid with self-confidence issues, since none of them opted to play a class that can carry a wand. He also occasionally helps in other ways if they ask for it, but I try to keep his main purpose to just being that.

I just ran a session with them and it went... poorly, to say the least. Not because either side was crushed, but because both sides were overly equal to the point of it being basically a standstill. The Investigator and the Monk had ACs of 24 and 30+ respectively, the archer was out of range for most of the enemies, and the NPCs I gave them to help were unfortunately doing more damage due to bad rolls for the players and good rolls for the NPCs. In the end despite throwing like, 10 enemies at them over a combat that lasted over a dozen rounds (two hours in real time), I think the enemies hit them less than 5 times total. This was made worse by the enemy's DR that made them much harder to kill quickly at their level.

I know I could just build encounters that just use their weaknesses, since spells and spell-like abilities could probably do much more damage to them overall, but the theme I'm running also uses a lot of physical combat (lots of constructs) and I don't want to just make their builds suck by JUST building encounters that rely on them not being strong in a given area...

>>52610691
Which player is the true DD though?

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>>52610760
FUKKEN BIRDS

>>52610741

No, I checked.

Time to hit the SHOWERS!!!

>>52610781
No. Not again.

NOT AGAIN.

>>52610650
14 STR, 12 CON

>>52610726
The cuteness would make it all worth it

>>52610717
aaaaaaa is this who I think it is?

>>52610826
It would have

Especially because she was a wilder and could like, knock herself out

>>52610732
Which one is it, though?!

>>52610815

Not using a bow, so Str is unimportant.

>>52610794
>If you're going to have such a stupidly enormous rifle the least you could do is put it to good use!

>>52610840
I'd pick her up after battle and comfort her!

>>52610837

I don't know! Who do you think it is?

>>52610884
Its too bad wilders are bad

>>52610898
She'll need a lot of comfort and love, then! I'll buy a two-person tent and extra blankets for cuddling!

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>>52610780
VILDERAVN ARE TERRIBLE BIRDS.

USELESS FAE SHITS

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>>52610873
>Rorymemes mixing with PLDmemes

Oh shit nigga what are you doing

>>52610921
I really wanted to do it, it would have been WotR too so she would have gotten to have mythic powers and be even more of a fem mob

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>>52610975

>>52610772
I'm also just kind of leery about enemy spellcasters in general I suppose. It's easy to be a PC caster, since your entire job is to mess with the enemy, who usually outnumbers you, in order to whittle down their ability to fight you. If I do the same to them as the GM, and take down one of the PCs with some kind of effect, that's 25% of their forces unable to do anything. PCs are supposed to win, what am I supposed to do if my casters are too strong and my baddies win with some janky spell effect?

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>>52611009

>>52610873

Cocked and loaded!

>>52610774
>>52610849
Gloriana. Think about it. Miss Teenage Breeding Sow is just a little too perfect, dontcha think?

>>52610892
Someone cute!/spoiler]

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>>52611092
>>52611205

>>52611205

Not really, the player just posted a girl for Blingmaker who's a teenage witch with massive tits.

The guy's got gumption for a specific character function, but it doesn't seem to be subversion.

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>>52611194
RoughandReady!

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>>52611249

>>52610990
Maybe next time, Anon. Don't forget about me!

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>>52611267

>>52611252

BLOOD AND THUNDER

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>>52611280

>>52611231
Oh, fuck, really? So much for that theory.
What character function? Sluts?

>>52611289

SPLIT YOUR LUNGS WITH BLOOD AND THUNDER
WHEN YOU SEE THE WHITE WHALE
BREAK YOUR BACKS AND CRACK YOUR OARS MEN
IF YOU WISH TO PREVAIL
THIS IVORY LEG IS WHAT PROPELS ME
HARPOONS THRUST IN THE SKY
AIM DIRECTLY FOR HIS CROOKED BROW
AND LOOK HIM STRAIGHT IN THE EYE

>>52611018
I run into this too. Disable a monster for a bunch of rounds? Great, awesome plan that helps the party out. Disable a PC for several rounds? ...fuck, that's one of my players now doing nothing while shit goes down and no one wants to be forced out of doing anything in the middle of a game.

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>>52610851
>every bow is a composite bow apparently
>oh but you can use thrown weapons with no strength!

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>>52611395

>>52611353
I also get really down when I disappoint people, so this is probably hitting me harder than it normally would for most people I imagine.

But seriously, does anyone have any advice on what I should throw at these kinds of characters?

Divine Cybermancy in Pathfinder when?

>>52611437
Go for stuff where failed saves don't result in death/mind control/paralysis but inflict small penalties or inconveniences, environmental stuff or just plain damage. Grease, fireball, Pugwampi's Grace and others along those lines instead of SoL effects.

Give martial type enemies a buffer who can push their attack numbers high enough to hit consistently too. Maybe lower their damage just so the party can figure out that they're definitely getting hurt but they don't get rocket tagged.

>>52610772
>>52611018
Just don't overdo with enemy casters. You're right, disabling them every goddamn day would get old, but you should totally do it occasionally, because it's dramatic and cool to have Tough Fights.

Was there an item that let you toss Alchemical Items farther or am I imagining things?

>>52610772
What the fuck are you asking?

>The issue I'm having with the IRL group is that I'm not entirely sure what I should do to challenge them.

>I just ran a session with them and it went... poorly, to say the least. Not because either side was crushed, but because both sides were overly equal to the point of it being basically a standstill

>>52611578
There's the bombthrower.

>>52611508
>>52611524
I can throw in a caster or two I guess, but when it comes to martial enemies I legitimately do not know what to do in that regard. The monk is legitimately near impossible to hit without the enemy getting Nat 20 crits at this level (BTW is it true that non-20 crits don't count as auto-hits or were my players wrong about that?), meanwhile if something has the ability to hit that kind of AC it would feel really weird if they only do a d6+3 of damage.

>>52611612
Bomb Chucker or bomb thrower?

>>52611617
Again, have enemy casters that can buff attack rolls, cause attacks to target touch AC and allow re-rolls. The monk is mostly dodge bonuses to AC, right? Look for things that take away Dex modifiers to AC, those shut down dodge bonuses too. Concealment is a decent start iirc.

>>52611617

Have you heard about Tuckers Kobolds?

>>52611617
They're right, only a natural 20 is always a hit.

Legendary Villains-Vigilante Question concerining the Alchemical Advancement Talent
>The alchemical scoundrel can draw
alchemical splash weapons as though they were ammunition.

Does that mean I can quick draw alchemical splash weapons?

>>52611745
yes

>>52611716
I'll look into it, thanks.

>>52611722
Hah, if I was doing these in a dungeon-esque space that might work but unfortunately most of this is in a more open space.

>>52611726
Dang, is there a feat or something I can give my creatures that changes that? If I need a crit to hit him anyway I might as well do it with more than a 20.

>>52611814

Monks are dependent on their Dodge AC Bonus. Therefore enemies who use alchemical items are his absolute worst nightmare.

>>52609681
Ask the Lumber Consortium.

>>52611849
>alchemical items are a monk's worst nightmare
>items that use a touch attack
>vs the character with the highest touch AC
>nightmare
Is this bait?

>>52611814
Feint is also useful for removing Dex to AC, but the DC could be high against a monk, especially if he maxed out Sense Motive.

>>52611953

>Smokestick
>Blindsight
>Sneak Attack on monk.

I guess a followup question in regards to stuff like that is what stuff like Crane Style and Swashbuckler's parrying can do against strikes coming at them that are VS Touch or Flat-footed ACs, they say that they repel any attack coming at them but it feels a bit OP if this also works against, say, an invisible enemy.

>>52612053
Concealment doesn't remove dodge bonuses to AC.

>>52612102
If I'm not mistaken it's no different than deflect arrows, you need to be aware of the attack, not-flatfooted, and in the case of crane wing and parry ripsote, must be a melee attack.

>>52611431

Using a gun, actually.

>>52611395

Do you have the gif with that? The full one?

>>52612209
Sorry, man. I don't.

SotJR greentext when?

>>52612258
>shliss no stop, set mine
>no, Onion, he mine
>fug

>>52612258
>Hitler shows up with his time machine stolen from Rasputin after the Reign of Winter crew kills him.
>Casimir is sent to the gas chambers because of his nose.
>Onryou is also sent to the gas chambers
>They're all sent to the gas chambers as the Nazis take over
>SotJR is replaced by a squad of young german soldiers

What do?

New BitF app fellas. This one's a real winner.

>>52612306
Genrula speaking, nothing could beat that yet.

>>52612306
Can't be assblasted if you got no shit on your app.

>>52612137
You are denied Dodge AC if you can't see your opponent though. Some full concealment obscures sight.

>>52612289
roll to sieg heil?

>>52612306
So first string team is:
>Varico
>Jean
>General Jelly
>Seth
>Sapphira
>Jona

>>52612355
You are confusing concealment and the blinded condition, obscured sight doesn't mean you're blind.

However in an area of darkness the monk would be if they don't have darkvision.

>>52612473
>a murder hobo monk
>a serial killer edgelord
>gelatinous cube
>a half-elf
>EMO MAID
>a Fighter using the Archer archetype in 2017.

The fuck

>>52612496
Unfortunately as Dragonborn they do have darkvision, but if I'm not wrong doesn't magical darkness work against natural darkvision?

>>52612544
In mundane darkness yeah his dark-vision would save him.

I don't think magical darkness works unless you use deeper darkness, which is a cleric spell.

As far as denying him his dexterity bonus to AC goes, I would recommend Greater Feints, Dirty Tricks, and Invisibility.

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>>52610019
>>52610066
>tfw you'll never read the Bon-Bon logs

>>52612597
Ask nicely and Vult-sama will give you the sweet release.

>>52610019
>16yo
>shota

That's not a shota, that's an adult!

>>52612613
Some boys are late-bloomers! Some boys are soft and girlish into their early 20s!
Theoretically, in the right person, Miasma could stunt development, or even cause some kind of androgynous or feminine mutation!

In general, more or less cliches while writing a backstory?

>>52612650
More.

You don't want to get called boring, do you?

>>52612650
More! As many as possible! Cliches make your character relatable and fun!

>>52612650
Pick one or two good ones that you like, and then put a spin on them that draws attention away from just how cliched they are.

>>52612650
Pick two cliches for every one non-cliche you use.

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>>52612609
>tfw Vult will never leak the logs to you, even if you asked nicely

>>52607167
I want to run a highly lethal P6 core rulebook game.

>>52612729
You know, by now, I question just what isnt a cliche nowadays

>>52612730
Then there's no option left except to privately message Bon-Bon's player and ask about making some logs of your own with them!

>>52612650
Cliches are like salt.

Important for almost every dish, but too much makes the food inedible.

>>52612566
Make a UC rogue with the rogue talent to cast deeper darkness 3/day. My lv4 once got TPK by a single lv5 rogue because they have no way to see and was in an enclosed room.

>>52612810
You can't sneak attack if your target has concealment, how was the UC Rogue able to see?

>>52612863
Tiefling variant better-than-darkvision, obviously.

>>52612863
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/rogue/rogue-talents/paizo-rogue-talents/greater-gloom-magic-sp/
There is a provision for it. Probably PFS banned it.

>>52612730
>>52612770
PM Vult-Sama very nicely and beg him for release!

How does the SoM sentinel sphere compare with the SoP WardMage?

>>52612775
>salt about meme games
>Important for almost every dish, but too much makes the food inedible.
Pottery

How would you build a character who brews and sells his own alcohol? How would you play it?

Monk seems like the obvious choice, but I don't think I'd have any fun playing a monk if I'm being honest. Any other ideas?

>>52613065
Cleric of Cayden Cailean with the Brewkeeper Archetype.

>>52613065
Alchemist with Tears to wine?

>>52613065
Monk was your first thought, and not alchemist? If you're going third party, the Essentialist from SoP is sort of a potion maker which could be reskinned into a brewer fairly easily.

>>52613078
I can't really find much information on this but it seems interesting.

>>52613080
I like this a lot.

>>52613085
I'm not entirely sure about third party but I'll check it out.

>>52613147
he means the brewkeeper PRC

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/a-b/brewkeeper/

>>52613183
Seems like I could transition into this from Alchemist really easily too. I'll probably do that.

Any suggestions for a race? Normally I only play humans but I think I'm getting pretty tired of doing that.

>>52613208
A half-orc maybe?

>>52613208
Dwarf for classic drunkard. Or undine so you can swim in your wine.

What's a dude gotta do to get some logs around here?

>>52613268

Sexual favors.

>>52612597
>Bon-Bon stared at the troll's thick, gnobbly cock with horror as she had a frightening realization; the trolls only had such stupidly enormous cocks because they were going to put them to good use.

>>52613290
This

This is my favorite meme

>>52613276
What KIND of sexual favors?

>>52613290
kek

What is your opinion on the released adventure paths? I'm trying to decide which one to run for a group of newbies. I've already run Carrion Crown, RotR, and Reign of Winter for other groups so I'd prefer something else.

>>52613587
I R O N G O D S
R
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G
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>>52613587
>>52613593
This. Then when Stardriver comes out test it with the same party.

>>52613587
Like anon said, Iron gods sounds kind of fun but I also like Giant slayer for some giant slaying action.