Infinity General: Khawarij edition

So the lifepath gen for the RPG is crazy fun. I ended up having a character get double interesting times, having their home burn down, be involved in and then solved a major crime, along with a family member being murdered and discovering an alien ruin. That was interesting to try and interpret into a coherent story for building their background.

>>52477247

previous thread.

forgive me anon, I have sinned.

>>52544879
That actually sounds really cool; can you go into more detail? Are you actually in a game of it, or just messing around with character creation? How well does character creation roll?

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>>52545221

A friend of mine is going to be running one soon, I was messing around with random gen and ended up with a character I really liked.

The chargen itself is really interesting, varied and creates a lot of cool stories through how you interpret and connect the various events and careers they go through, with the life points you're given letting you customise things a bit when you want to. No idea how balanced it is, that'll likely be figured out in time.

The PC started out as a Corregidoran, trained in zero-g work and industry from a young age, which I interpreted as a pretty standard working class upbringing.

Things got weird when they relocated to Tunguska, the families fortunes suddenly improving and the character shifting into academia, which I interpreted as breaking through into a tech business.

And then things got interesting. They were fired from their academics career, and rolled into that of an investigative reporter- And those events being linked seemed obvious. Discovering something they weren't meant to know, noticing a flaw in some research or evidence, and then being forced out of the profession in order to cover it up, blacklisted and their word discredited. Then taking up the banner of a seeker of truth, finding like minded people who taught them the ways and means of getting to the bottom of it.

At the end of all that? The next event roll was dark secret, followed by a career term of unemployment. Which was just perfect. After long years of searching for the truth, finding it upon the lips of a family member... And falling to despair, no longer any drive to do anything.

The unemployed period was the time they hit the ridiculous double interesting times event rolls, which I interpreted as someone burning down their home to try and kill them or put them in prison, but their survival and involvement with the crime eventually leading to a final confrontation with their estranged family.

>>52545436

This is where pieces fell into place for me. That it occurred in an alien ruin made me think that this must have been what the dark secret was about- Whatever tech business they broke into, they did so on the basis of illegally acquired and unregulated alien technology, likely endangering their clients and putting people at risk. The understanding of their families treachery and betrayal is what put them into despair, then drove them to resolve it all after the arson spurred them to action.

Of course, it didn't all end well. The crime was solved but one of their family was dead, and the next career and event rolls kinda sealed the deal- They went back to Corregidor for a term of military service, likely with the Tomcats, while the event roll was either debt or disownment- The family business collapsing amidst the scandal and the loss of the alien ruin that had been the source of their innovations and profits.

While it did take some creative thinking and playing around with various elements, I really enjoyed the story that occurred from putting all the pieces together.

>>52545436
>>52545452
Oh, that sounds really cool. Have other players rolled up things? What do they have? What sort of campaign is it going to be? Are there any oddities or problems in the system? What about houserules?

I'm the only guy in my Infinity playgroup that does RPGs, but some of them are interested in trying out that part of the traditional gaming hobby, so I thought if the system was cool I might use it to get them into it, so I'm trying to get a feel for what I'd be getting into.

>>52545496

So far we have a hyper-elite Ariadnan Dogface, which should be interesting, along with another Nomad Reverend Custodier. Plus an Aleph Aspect, which should mean we'll get along like a house on fire.

One player has yet to roll up, and we're just going with the basic 'the PCs have been seconded to O-12's Bureau Noir as problem solvers' thing. Have yet to actually play, so we'll see how it goes. I'll likely drop by and mention it in future threads if we discover any big issues. The system seems fun though, it makes hacking and social conflict just as potentially powerful as physical fighting, which is very interesting, and the Heat/Momentum economy seems like a really interesting resource mechanic for solving problems on the player side and potentially giving the GM tools to create new ones for you.

>>52545554
Interesting. How does the former work? I thought that Dogfaces were second class citizens at best on Dawn. I'm surprised that ALEPH aspects are playable, but I guess they are a major part of the setting; I'm less surprised that Reverends are playable. Full reverends or are reverend PCs supposed to be something like apprentices?

What's the best way to start Infinity with an army themed around the Devil Dogs?

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Hi res seminar images courtesy of Koni.
http://imgur.com/a/ehUuZ
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>>52545609

The Hyperelite Dogface is just a quirk of randomgen, I think. One of those odd things you need to interpret to make sense of your character.

Aleph has a lot of options, you can even end up as a Recreation.

And there are a lot of special careers available in the core book already, with the various faction books promising more specific ones for each factions various signature units.

>>52545642
I thought their light shotguns would be older pump-action models...

>>52545642

The minutemen and female airbourne look awesome.

The fucking Scots though, why would they do that to me. I am going to have to buy another army now they look too good. :(

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>>52545800
I wish at least one of the volunteer gals kept a skirt

I need some help understanding Holo L2. As it is L2 of a skill, it automatically gains L1. Under the holoecho state rules it says it can be combined with L1 and I've seen people use this in games how it is specified with 3 models of the same profile instead of echoes. If I do this, I'd place a holoecho marker next to one of them at the start of my turn to essentially tell my opponent it's a holo L2 troop.

Are all 3 are still in the holoecho state and move at the same time? Can I choose to just place one holo L1'd mini down and 2 holo markers? (essentially to fool the opponent into thinking it's a different holo2 troop) What is the point of negative "feedback" with holo L1 and L2 if it specifically says it can be combined? Isn't this intended only for L3? Also, if my opponent declares discover on a holoecho that is the main trooper, and I respond with surprise shot L1, would it be a FTF roll?

Also for open information that is shared at the start of the game, can I hand my opponent a list with incorrect models as open info even if the army courtesy list lists holo troops as blank? Related to this, are the points of a specific profile of a troop open info? I understand the points of a specific troop is private, but can I ask "what is the point cost of X unit with Y profile" and if not, is there anything stopping me from just looking up the point cost/army point costs up myself on army, assuming it does not slow the pace of the game to an unnecessary degree?

>>52545642
That Sukeul and Zhanying are gorgeous.

>>52546011
<3

Is it just me or chargen site a little bugged? One time I didn't get +2 attribute for education, the other it reduced all attributes by 1 after death even though I spent LP to get normal lhost.

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How do you hair like this?

>>52546342
VMC Turquoise, wash VMC black, highlight by mixing with sunny skin tone.

>>52546376

Wow, thanks for the quick and detailed response!!

I don't have Sunny Skin Tone--but I do have other colors. Any warm skin tone will work?

>>52546394
I'd say so, doesn't look particularly specific. I'd try to choose a more orange-ish skin tone over pink-ish and you should be fine.

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Base coats are coming along. Step by step I'll be ruining this rare model with my subpar paint job.

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Why Tohaa are such sluts?

>>52546919
TRIAD

>>52547334
Still pissed off for CB not giving them 3 sexes.

>>52547559
That's almost TOO genericstartrekalien of them

What's the best link for MRRF? Metros? Metros with Bruant? Loups spamming viral? Mixed briscards or moblots? I've been stuck in a tactical rut lately with my games (I usually play either all-infiltrator vanilla Ariadna or a CHA list with wallace LT and a wulver link plus CRAP SAS and whatever to season), so I'm thinking I'll try to give MRRF out, but I"m not sure what the best link to build around is.

>>52546376
With a large side order of knowing how light reflects on longish straight hair like that.

>>52547698
I think all their links are fucking awesome. It's really hard to go wrong.

>>52547763
Well, the list I'm currently looking at is a Briscard link (LT, FO, HRL, sniper, paramedic), four minelayer chasseurs and a 112 in the first group, then a Dozer with a traktor mul control device, the urgan/TR mul, three camo/infil metros and two regular metros to feed orders to the mul and the dozer if needed for specialist reasons.

>>52546262
I don't think they've bothered updating it for a while, being focused on other things.

>>52546011
>hacker
Ughh...

>>52549663
What? It's a generic breaker combi. If it was the hacker then it would say "hacker", not "breaker combi rifle".

>>52549686
she has hacking visor

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>>52549686
That's a hacking visor. Look at the ML zhanying in comparison.

>>52546011
>>52549663
I will never understand why CB doesn't just release those with two head options. I'd pay extra for the benefit of being rid of some of the most useless releases.

>>52549686
It's like the Umbra Legate with "it's totally a BS loadout, never mind that the only loadout with BS is the hacker"

>>52545642
nice to see a good looking sukeul, considering how useful they are. also is that a miss label in the gorgos pilot, or will they be getting k1 rifles

>>52545642
I wish you had warned me about the riot girls, i just blew the zip off my pants

>>52549817
>>52549720
I see. However it's subtle enough that it could convincingly be used as the sensor profile, so that's what I'll use it as.

>>52550054
Not at all. The sensor and FO profiles for Zhanying also use a breaker combi.

>>52550095
>Not at all. The sensor and FO profiles for Zhanying also use a breaker combi.
Well yeah, and that could be a sensor visor or something. I meant that maybe they just forgot to add "hacker" to the description because siesta or something.

>>52549961
Because it will be pointless, since you'll proxy it in the end. All that hacker stuff is just aesthetical purpose, most people are fine with it as long as it looks good.
And its not as jarring as weapon loadouts.

>>52549663
To be fair. She's not a terrible hacker profile, but then again she's only up against a Pheasant Hacker for the same device and points....so there'a not any competition there

>>52550061
In the seminar Bostria mentioned that it was an error. The Gorgos Pilot keeps her spitfire.

>>>52550073
The Riot Grrls and the Tinbot are still not done according to Carlos at Adepticon.

>i just blew the zip off my pants
Why? They're better than the original, but still ugly bitches.

>>52549961
I would too. or at least an arm swap to switch out the hacker waving arm. Extra parts for swapping in general like the GdA and Myrmidon Officers would be nice.

>>52550178
I don't proxy models if it's blantantly a Hacker like the Rodok w/ BSG or Bolt w/ BSG.

That said, Zhanying hacker doesn't look bad. She's not in a silly hacker pose and the visor can represent a sensor. Whatever.

>>52550252
>Why? They're better than the original, but still ugly bitches.

who cares, the models are gorgeous, and have heaps of character. they look like ultra violent super feminists

>>52550252
>but still ugly bitches
That's like a part of their job description. Did you expected a unit made of hardcore militant feminists to be a group of animu cuties?

>>52550308
One of the reasons I dislike the current box is because of the dumb hair. It's a lot better with the new grrls.

>>52550605
>Did you expected a unit made of hardcore militant feminists to be a group of animu cuties?
Yes

I was very annoyed by the lack of bookmarks in lifepath and gear sections, so I added them.
https://mega.nz/#!BnYlWTpD!9Nb8z_bpmxN_RcscraeHdJzRRmvTpRdciaf59JUNNVo

>>52550682
I did consider adding those when I did the bookmarks on the original file, but I decided I couldn't be assed.

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>>52550677
>Yes
They are right here.

Your paint is way to thick.

You should watch Duncan's videos on Warhammer TV. It is free and its actually a high quality product. The only good thing GW still puts out.

^
>>52546825

For some reason it didn't go back to your image.

Haqq is a tragic faction, with shit-tier fluff, made out of mostly generic models, with a few absolutely stunning models.

The nu-islam shit is just corny and stupid. Not even a /pol/ack, just don't care either way. Could have made it an arab union with religious undertones, or even a sub-faction like MO (which is dumb as fuk too), and it would be acceptable-tier.

Al Fasid (both versions), Azaril(Both too) and Magihabara are arguably the 3 nicest models in the entire game, let down by a completely generic or stupid looking troops. At least pan-o has berets.

A massive shame, as I would have loved to pick up the faction. Stupid fluff I can ignore, but generic models I can't.

>>52546825
use a wet palette. I still don't understand why people don't use them. Auto thins your paints, no need to keep thinning them, and can store paint for weeks. Literally 5 minutes of work to make one.

>>52551038
Nice blog, fampai.

>>52551038
>it's so hot
>nice armor design but bland shit everywhere else
>why aren't they proper religious
>tfw no berets
>my feet hurt
K, we don't want you bitching on Bourak either.

>>52551038
>(you)

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Does anyone have a screen shot / torrent of the book with the fluff for the Jotum. I just wanna read more about this big beautiful bastards.

>>52551067
A wet palette is in the picture, mate.

>>52551536
Is that the thing that looks like a tray full of PVA glue?

>>52551038
A reminder CB has received bomb threats from the religion of peace because of Haqq.

>>52551719
>Make the Religion of Peace™ faction actually a religion of (relative) peace in your game
>Get bomb threats from Religion of Peace™ because you portrayed them as more peaceful

TRULY THE MOST TOLERANT RELIGION.

>>52551717
Yeah, the parchment paper is out of frame because I was just using a wee bit but that is indeed moist paper towels. Why would I keep a tray full of PVA glue?

>>52551719
source?

>>52551719
What's the source on that?

It sounds believable enough, any person or group of sufficient popularity is going to get death threats and Islam seems to be a popular excuse for that sort of shit these days, but a source has always been asked for and never provided when talk of the bomb threat gets posted here.

>>52551867
I highly doubt it's real, CB is not high profile enough to get bomb threats from people like DAESH, and the great majority of muslims don't really do the whole bomb threat thing from what I've seen

>>52551985
The great majority don't disprove of it either. That's the big difference. Christianity has it's extremists and fundamentalists, but the normal ones call those guys faggots and teach their kids how retarded being a religious fundamentalist is, so the crazies have a hard time gaining recruits and can't blend into a sympathetic community to hide from retribution.

>>52551719
Carlos mentioned it once can't remember when since it was a while ago.

>>52551985
They don't, but there's a big difference between saying you're going to murder someone on the internet and actually doing it. People seem far more willing to indulge in the former, particularly when they're protected by the distance and anonymity of the internet.

>>52551067
what is a wet pallete?

>>52552302
Parchment paper over a moist layer of paper towels or sponge on a tray that provides a semi-permeable palette to mix paints over and keep them wet for longer.

>>52552323
Not even a beginer at painting, so Ill ask a fellow up question, which may sound stupid. How does it help ? Wouldn't it just make the paint runny and impossible to properly use ? everything would become like an ink, plus different colors would be constantly mixing up and the paper would clump up and it would be hard to not get it on the model. Or is the paper used some sort of special painting paper?

>>52552355
"parchment" paper is kind of special, usually used for baking. It lets a wee bit of water through to the paint that gets put on top of it, but it doesn't make it run or anything, the acryllic paint keeps it consistency and doesn't go into the water. It just keeps it from drying too fast.

Look up a tutorial about wet palettes, it's hard to explain unless you've got experience with it or see it with your own eyes.

>>52552355
Look up a tutorial by Kujo. Explains it really well on youtube

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I was painting my iguana yesterday and it reminded me of how much I fucking hate painting

But I have to do it because I'll be damned if I never paint at least one army

>>52552844
How's the gaming scene in Ecuador?

>>52553049
It took just the right angle compared to everyone else.

>>52551719
Wasn't that a hoax?

>>52551468
I have Artbook One and all there is on Jotum in it is an abridged version of one of the paragraphs in online catalogue.

>>52552043
>The great majority don't disprove of it either.

I see you have no idea on what you're talking about.

>>52551719

They're a peaceful religion.

>And they'll fucking cut your head off to prove it.

>>52552043

Get educated anon. Islam is a cancer, it's needs to be cut out.

>>52545642
Damn, I haven't played in over a year, but I'm probably gonna buy that Mormaer.

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So when you cut open a post-human, do they bleed?

>>52554800
I'd imagine that if they do bleed it'd either be oil like in Samurai Jack or white liquid like the android in Alien.

>>52554800
Yes, but as >>52554840 said, it's a synthetic blood-like substance that's far more efficient than real blood.

>>52555052
All blue and glow-y like in Far Cry Blood Dragon. Yeah, that'd be cool.

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>>52554840

Ash is a goddamned robot!

>>52547790
I am an Ariadna/MRRF n00b, but I am bullish on the Briscards and Metros. They make up the bulk of my first buy.

What models are you using for the Chasseurs? Seems like they are a pain in the ass to get ahold of.

>>52556058
I heard people like to use the Hunzakut as a Chasseur proxy.

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>>52554840
>Just nuts and bolts

I'm looking for some alternative missions, campaign or fun missions. Nothing too serious.

Any suggestions? Infinity is surprisingly hard to Google for due to Disney Infinity :)

>>52556389

20x20 and YAMS.

>>52556389
If you put -disney into your search it'll ignore any page with the word disney in.

>>52556453
>>52556530

thanks anons, 20x20 looks promising.

What about narrative campaign missions that link? Any suggestions there?

>>52556651
For narrative campaigns, you're pretty much stuck with the flawed Paradiso (until it gets updated in the next book) or the Datsphere campaign format:

http://www.data-sphere.net/new-dawn-alternative-campaign-system/

The Datasphere one looks like it could be fun and light weight, but it really relies on you and your opponents hashing out objectives and strategic bonuses together and agreeing on something balanced. They don't provide many examples in there, and some are probably better than others. It would be great to play with friends whom balance isn't paramount.

>>52556651
Look for dire foes missions, they have neat backstories and special characters and such

One of my personal favorites requires you to work together with your opponent for at least 1 turn to activate some consoles and then shoot the shit out of eachother while evacuating the board

Paging someone with Dire Foes PDFs for Anon

Quick question

If I choose dodge as an ARO before the active player declares their second action and they do not fire at that trooper, how do you resolve the dodge ARO?

Would it be a normal roll and if I success I move two inches?

>>52556834
Yes.

>>52556140
That looks legit. Thanks.

>>52556834
Yep, my favorite thing to do with Kinematika L2 CC specialists.

>>52556801
>>52556651

https://www.dropbox. com/sh/2fmd7u1o1bep3g1/AAAbn9_ExewWeHRRR3b3oH3Ga?dl=0

>>52544829
Why do I ever bother sometimes? Recently had a game were i succeded only 4 rolls during the entire game.

But aside from that it was a very good game. Shame I just had bad rolls. A pathfinder remote crit my overdron and Samaritan. Before got removed because of that.

>>52557141
Thanks anon! What's funny is that I have actually bought one of the Dire Foes box sets and the stupid code wouldn't work.

>>52556712
This actually looks perfect for us. We are good friends, not competitive and prefer to take pictures and tell a story. This is perfect, thanks again!

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>>52556651
>Paradiso
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k3gj7f5ansr0vfg/ANewDawn.pdf?dl=0

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>>52557218
>not the animated version

>>52557218

Thanks, that's the New Dawn link though--not paradiso?

>>52545912
Any help? I'm only finding more confusing scenarios and interactions with holo projector rules. Some of the examples in the rulebook imply you can combine holo1 and 2 in the way that you place one incorrect model and 2 echoes, and even activate holo2 with a holo1 trooper although this contradicts that the equipment being used has to be able to be used by both the model and the copied one.

In a scenario with 1 incorrect model and 2 echoes do you have to declare "these 2 echoes are with this model? Or can you place a holo2 troop with 2 echoes next to it and then a holo1 model pretending to be a holo2 troop nearby to the echoes (so opponent thinks echoes belong to holo1troop) and the actual model that is placed pretending to be a random model?

Posting this question/request again.

I recall a picture of a Pan Oceania Bulleteer, all cinematic, with I think a machinist or some other human, all on top of a rooftop or some other official background. It had a look simulating ODD, kind of like static.

Does anyone here have that picture?

>>52552466
Ok, my english is good enough for this. I can't imagine how you could any type of paper in baking, the fire from the oven would burn it. So I guess this is some sort of very special paper that doesn't burn and doesn't disolve in water. I have never heard or seen something like it. But I guess it has to exist.

>>52557641
Stop trying to break holo more than it already is.

Thinking about getting into this. Is aleph or haqqislam better for a scrub?

>>52557662
If you really want to get into the science of it, parchment paper is affected by a treatment with sulfuric acid, which gives the end result of nothing like the kind of paper you normally write with, as its generally harder, semi-permeable, and able to withstand higher temperatures. I've also seen it in most grocery stores.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parchment_paper

>>52557817
Aleph is probably easier for a new player to start with. But it's not like Haq is much harder. Read how they play on the wiki and the run down then pick which you like best.

>>52557641
When combining Holo 2 and Holo 1 you just deploy 3 models , then in your first active turn put the Holo 2 marker besides one of the models.
You can try to confuse your opponent as long as you dont spend orders on any model.and its not your first active turn.

>>52557662
>>52557878
also most ovens aren't usually hot enough to spontaneously light paper.on fire

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Just Bought the Tech Bees and Crabbot, they are going to replace my machinist and palbot, i dont use TAGs anyway

>>52557641
You can combine Holo level 1 and level 2 in two ways:

1. Replace holo 2 figure as you would with holo 1, also place 2 holo echo markers.

2. Replace all three with figure as you would with holo 1. They all must be the same exact model. At the start of your turn(or if during your turn you activate holo) you must put a single holoecho marker next to one of the models. Yes you can have other models near them so the opponent can't tell which are holo and which aren't.

>>52557817
Neither is inherently better. For instances where Aleph may have a super effective unit, Haqqislam has one too, like Post humans and Ghazi Muttawi'ah respectively.

It's better to just go with which you think is cooler, which I understand is hard to do.

I will say this, in general, Aleph tends to field less units than Haqqislam, due to being worth more in the game. Haqqislam tends to play to strengths of asymmetrical returns. 4 of the 5 point guys can easily return their investment by nullifying one twenty+ point guy from the enemy in an extreme example. But Haqqislam also does elite units well, like with Saladin, a Fiday, Al Fasid, or Muyibs.

>>52558002
I intended to replace Machinist with Tech-Bee, but as it turns out it's best to field them both.

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>>52557961
See
>>52558007

Also this example points that you can use echoes with a false troop.

Nothing is linking the echoes to a particular model until it moves correct?

>>52558176
What do you mean by false troop? That's not a term. You can use another model from your faction of the same silhouette size in the ways stated above.

After the game has started when holoechos form, either automatically or through spending an order, they are placed in base2base contact with eachother.

>>52557817
>>52557893

Pano and Yu jing is easier.

Steel Phalanx is easier than Vanilla Aleph and Haq. Then I would say Vanilla Haq, Qapu Kahlqi, Vanilla Aleph, Hassin.

>>52558324
Sorry, what I meant was something like these 2 examples:

Example 1: holo 1 unit + holo 2 unit;
Holo1 unit Y is placed as model X. Holo2 unit Z is also placed as model X within 8" of unit Y. Unit Z has 2 holo echoes within 8" of both Y and Z. All models are facing the same direction. Until either Y or Z move can you tell which of them possesses the holoechoes? It doesn't seem like there is anything in the game linking them until they move.

Example 2: application of 2 holo2 units, yasbir and an ayar.
Ayar is placed in holo1 pretending to be yasbir. He also has 2 holo2 markers next to him. Yasbir is placed in holo1 as an ayyar within 8", with or without echoes. If they don't move, can you tell which has echoes, or if they both have echoes, which echoes belong to which troop?

>>52557817
ALEPH units tend to be hard to kill while a lot of Haqqislam strength comes from trading cheaper units for more expensive ones (like afore mentioned 5pts Ghazi jamming out a 50-70pts HI or Hassassin Fiday inevitably dying first turn, but hopefully after killing a few cheerleaders, an annoying sniper or the enemy Lt), which goes against most new players instincts ("what do you mean my awesome biker will always die in the first turn?!"). However they also get awesome doctors, so getting your units back up is simpler than in PanO for instance.

ALEPH has a few odd rules, but in general their units tend to forgive some tactical errors (ODD and NWI everywhere, Post-Humans dying but still providing an order etc). Some go as far as saying that ALEPH is wrong for starters, because it teaches players to rely more on stats than tactics. It is definitely easier to play than Haqq, but not necessarily stronger (which you'll learn when you see a Myrmidon link broken because a Ghazi has jammed out Hector).

>>52558176
Not quite. You reveal the three are related by placing holo echo markers by two of the models at the beginning of your active. You don't have reveal which one is real or break HP1 though.

>>52558576
Example 1 doesn't even need the holo 1 unit. It could be any same silhouette size figure from your army.

Example 2, yes you can do that.

>>52558612
Unfortunately you only have to place one holoecho marker when you are using all three as figures.

Same noob as before here. What do you think of this list if I go Aleph?

Asura Lt w Multi rifle, nanopulser
2x Dakini Tacbot w combi-rifle
Dakini Tacbot Paramedic
Naga Hacker (assault hack)
Naga w multi-sniper
Proxy Mk.2 w multi sniper
Proxy Mk. 4 w heavy rocket launcher
Proxy Mk. 5 (forward observer)
2x Deva (sensor)
Deva w combi rifle, nonopulser

Comes in at 300 points, 5.5 swc which I might have to cut, and gets 10 orders.

>>52559045
You will want to get the support pack that comes with the Sophotech and the Netrods. Netrods are awesome order generators that also compliment your post-humans. Sophotechs are literally the best specialists in the game. L I T E R A L L Y

>>52549686
>>52549720
>>>52549686
>she has hacking visor

And hacking armband and hack back pack

>>52559150

Gonna have to retool then. Are TAGs recommended, or do you just need to be able to counter them?

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>>52553364

>>52561549

>/pol/ is back again

>>52561521
TAGs aren't really recommended, but you if your list is well rounded you should be able to deal with them naturally. EM, adhesive launchers, hacking ect.

>>52561606

Are any lists that spam them common?

>>52561631
You cant really spam tags, a single one will usually be almost 1/3 of your points unless they're geckos or something, and if you take 2 big ones you likely won't have enough orders or personnel to support them properly

You could theoretically "spam" them but it would not be smart to make a list with 3-4 orders only

>>52561631
You can realistically only run 2 of them and still have a 10 man order pool as many of them are 70-80+ pts.

That said, there's a pretty good "massed armor tactics" thread written by a guy in the official / american English pano forum. I guess the guy also plays 30 orders highlander lists too so he isn't necessarily just talking out his ass when he says "low order count lists can work."

TAGs I'm general are order hungry, not only in that they Rambo but also likely need to get back into a defensive position and enter into suppressive fire mode if you don't want to lose them on the opponent turn.

They are also awesome and generally beautiful models.

Custodiers or Interventors? Which is generally preferable in vanilla Nomads?

>>52561921
Interventor in vanilla of course.

>>52561903

Well, the other list I'm looking at spams 18 units, 10 of them are limited camo/imperfect infiltrator units, 7 are ghulam order monkeys, and the last one is a TAG. I figure I'd bog down the other side with infiltrators and sacrifice them to try and take out key enemy units if they can while my other units set up or go after the objective, then overpower what's left with the TAG.

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Any word on this guy coming out?

>>52562093
>massed armor tactics
apparently reveal of the dossier/sculpt at gencon from what I've heard.

>>52562132
>>52562093
This is a fanshop.

>>52562186
Yeah, hence why I said reveal of the actual sculpt/dossier

>>52561987
Totally valid. The other thing to consider with TAGs is that your cheer leaders have to be decent button pushers, too. Some factions do this better than others.

>>52562093
looks like another miniature we have to use our meme magic to get cb to make. If only I played PanO

>>52562093
Isn't locust an LI, anyway? I'm expecting them to look more like the hexa or the auxilia.

>>52562536
They're skirmishers with arm1. I just hope they have badass helmets since I really hate open helmets in my super-high-tech faction.

>>52562753
I thought the one bagh-mari with his face plate opened up was kinda slick.

>>52562858
Yeah I think that's a fine compromise, since there is still a cool helmet there. I just don't want another unit like the croc-man, who is a random out-of-place jungle looking dude in "advanced armor + guns": the faction.

>>52562904
Aren't they supposed to be kiwis?

Asuras: top tier HI or waste of points?

>>52562904
That's the Croc Man's shtick, he's an advanced TO camo jungle dude. I don't think you've got much to worry about for the Locust.

>>52563129
I will forever maintain that the hacker is a shitty schizophrenic mess with MSV3 tacked on to a combi rifle of all things. Only worth it if you've really got a plan for that HD+

The others are pretty good, sort of like a slightly worse Charontid.

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>>52563290

> Tfw your MSV troops are stuck with Combi, Shotgun, or MSR

RIP in pieces Bao. Cool models stuck with garbage stats. Forever sidelined by the Rui Shi.

>>52563290

They seem a tad schizophrenic, but I see their use. They counter:

-Camo
-Hackers (via Redrum and Sucker Punch)
-TAGs (via Claw programs)
-LI & SK (via suppressing fire)

The big threat is something taking a shot at them with something AP or something with a much longer range of fire. It's a weird as fuck niche though.

>>52563129
Stong HI that don't compare favorably with other in-faction options.

The non-hacker profiles can be compared pretty directly with Achilles2. Their stats and weapons are very similar, with Achilles having slightly higher stats across the board (WP is equal, Wounds are the same if you count Asura's NWI as an actual wound), and very slightly better weapon loadouts (EXP CCW vs AP, added DEP to his 2.0 multi profile).

In terms of special rules the Asura has MSV3, but Achilles has a pile of rules differing slightly by version. Achilles is between 4-6pts more expensive on comparable loadouts, and pays and extra .5 SWC for a Spitfire. In general Achilles wins out, unless his slight price increase puts him out of the list's budget, or you specifically need an MSV HI.

The Asura hacker is your only source of HD+, and also your only HI specialist option in faction, but it's also 72pts and feels like a misuse of the MSV3 since it downgrades the primary weapon to a lowly Combi. It's certainly looks like it does a lot in a vacuum, but for the cost/swc you could get a full brace of Posthumans including a hacker, or a some combination of Dasyus + Naga or Deva for your hacking and button pushing needs.

>>52563644
Bao are like Ninjas. Awful shit if you try to use them like normal troops of that type, but they have their own niche in which they perform well. For Bao that niche is doorkicking. Go inside, kill an infiltrator or two and set up suppressive fire with an x visor combi to keep all the other scum out.

Shotguns are alright in a Pheasant haris since supp fire isn't an option there, but otherwise I'd stick to the MSV2 combi at all times.

>>52563888
In Vanilla at least it feels like a Zuyong would be the better way to go for that role, unless you were specifically building to deal with camo spam. Exact same cost for the combi profile, loses the visors but gains HI stats, and for 1 extra point you can get Forward Observer.

For ISS that Haris link might be a thing to look at, but for a solo you've got AVA 2 Rui Shi and Lu Duan to compete with so you're not short on options for random assholes running around with MSV.

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>>52562753
This is what I did for a Locust.

old Sikh minus the wings.

>>52564227
I just use bolts.

Cool models and they're not really good for much else.

>>52557989
open fire isn't hot enough to light stuff on fire ? Either these means ovens are something different here or you just realy blew my mind. The third option of me sucking at english more then I thought is possible too I guess.

>>52564294
I had the Sikh and my PanO turned into pure NCA so...

I have liked the Bolts in a link when I load them up with boarding shotguns and E/M grenades and a Hacker with a boarding shotgun and E/M grenades and idk like also a Spitfire and a couple dudes tossing Drop Bears. They are a cheaper-than-your-paintrain anti-HI-paintrain unit and they do a damn good job at it.

Often, I can just plant them in the middle of the table and they just shit on all of your plans, like all of your plans. I don't really waste any orders on them after planting them front-and-center, but they do a damn good job at being a pain in the ass. They are not for objective taking because they are slow, but that is what the Hexas hacker, Pathfinders, and/or this Locust hacker is for.

E/M grenades will fuck up almost anything heavy and Boarding Shotguns will fuck up everything else.

>>52564368
Ovens generally use electrical elements or if they are a gas oven, the flame is separated from the metal box where things get cooked by the radiant and convective heat.

>>52564478
Oh and they are Veterans with Bioimmunity, so they are immune to almost every dirty trick in the book, and pretty much stay Regular until you kill them.

>>52563866

Are they good enough to use though.

>>52564368
You don't put paper right into the fire. You cover insides of whatever container you use to cook to prevent food from sticking to it.

>>52552844
Good start anon.

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...I feel like I'm overlooking something.

>>52564598
Did you just not read the first line of my post? I guess I'll break it down even more for you.

They're strong. They don't compare favorably to other things in-faction.

Like basically everything in the entire game that isn't a Bolt or a Khawarij they are competent in their role, it's up to you if you feel the things they offer are "good enough to use" compared to the other stuff you could be taking instead. If you're really fucking married to having a MSV3 or HD+ then you'll probably consider them good enough, if you aren't then you won't, and neither approach is necessarily wrong.

>>52565043

Makes sense. I guess I'm just used to 40k.

>>52564478
You're paying almost double the points over fusis and really not getting enough for the cost. I've heard this argument dozens of times, but if the models were ugly and didn't come in the NCA starter, would anyone ACTUALLY try to justify bolts? you never hear this on any other MI link.

>>52564974
Err, high burst weapons? Yudbot? Very few ways to avoid firefights when you really don't have the tools to win them?

Actual ways to FO/spotlight with no repeater coverage?

Why double guided missiles anyways?

>>52564974
>Two sophotects
What no, what are your doing? Just take one with two helperbots. The only reason to have two is specifically for button pushing since one plus bots can basically cover the whole board for doc/engineer purposes, but you could get a camo+infiltrating+dogged button pusher in the Naga for cheaper than the second Soph, or a Dasyus who upgrades to TO:Camo and NWI for just a few points more.

>Two hacker Asura and hardly any repeaters
>Two hacker Asura ever
Whyyyyyyyy

>Two missilebots and hardly any FO
WHYYYYYYYYY

>No SWC outside of the two missiles
WRYYYYYYYYYYY

>>52565043
Bolts are a pretty decent midfield link, they're absolute shits to dislodge. Other troops getting cheaper drop bears was a real gut punch though. They're by no means amazing, but they're competent.
Khawarijs are spitfire flankers or mobile docs. They're pretty competent at both those things.

>>52565157
I would. I think the hate on them isn't completely unjustified, especially after HSN3 brought in new competition, but it goes too far. They have unique uses that Fusis cannot even try to replicate.

>>52564690
conteiners? well I guess you could put something like a steel pot inside an oven, but it would look all black after the whole thing. I do not know how oven work in other places, but here you have a plate and you place stuff on it, but it is part of the oven, so you can't realy take it out anywhere. Or is more like the ones for meat? I guess there isn't much fire there, just a lot of smoke.


>>52564493
ah ok. here ovens work on wood and coal. no one would put gas in to an oven, unless he wanted his bread to taste of gasoline. Well no one not drunk at least.
I think a radiant in english is something different then what it is here. Here a radiant is part of a convection belt. But thanks again guys for explaining stuff. I guess it does have to help, if so many people are saying it is god.

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>>52565752
Lol no, its not gasoline. In this case gas refers to natural gas lines(methane and related hydrocarbons mostly).

Pic related is a gas oven with a gas stove top. the stove top will have open-ish flames, while the pilot light(flame) of the oven will be secluded away from whatever you are putting in there.

Electric ovens look the same except they use electric heating elements in place of flames.

Just youtube wet palette, super easy to make.

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>>52565986
ok. This how ovens look like where I live

>>52565986
also, If I may notice one thing, your women have to be super strong to be able to life a turkey or bread loaf while bent and with their arms getting all the heat, as it seems you can use a shovel to take out stuff. respect to them.

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>>52566186
Its no big deal really. The shelves can slide out, plus oven mitts (mittens/gloves) help. The heat isnt as intense as it is straight from a fire, but it is more even. But no lie, dealing with a 20+ lb turkey can be a bitch when its in some awful aluminum pan.

>>52564974
Jesus fucking christ.

Triumvirate and Lost Ship Sectorials for Tohaa. I know the Triumvirate will be nasty/sneaky black ops units. But I wonder what the Lost Ships sectorial will be?

>>52566296
Aluminium ??? doesn't it just melt and stuff. At best it would make the meat taste strange, like the one in megamarkets. We only steel for our pots etc Plus steel is cheap. aluminium would always bring the risk of homeless trying to steal it. We had some copper and aluminium in our country in the 2000s, but Chiness bought it all. People were stealing stuff from people living next door just to get a beer bottle or two, not thinking that you could sell the whole thing for more.

>>52566966
You mean Errant Ships? They're the Tohaa space navy.

Playing vs combined army for the first time tomorrow with haqq, any tips? He may bring an avatar or some onyx stuff. Really scared of the avatar since I'm not sure how I'm going to really deal with it. Also the Fiday becoming basically a blank sucks too.

>>52566970
>doesn't it just melt and stuff.
>Al MP: 660.3 C
How hot do you think ovens get, anon?

>>52566970
Gas ovens distribute heat really evenly compared to coal/wood fired ovens, so melting isn't an issue. You probably couldn't melt an aluminium pan in one if you tried.

>>52566983
Oh cool thanks mate.

>>52567060
Gotta admit, though, I can't really see how a space navy sectorial would work in a game focused on skirmish ground combat. AD? Weapons that won't punch holes in the ships?

>>52567103
>Weapons that won't punch holes in the ships?
To be honest if the hull of a ship can withstand space rocks flying around at 3 000km per hour I think they'll be fine. So no energy fields for their space ships man being stuck on one of those during a battle must suck.

>>52557166

You could try getting good.

>>52566994
>Also the Fiday becoming basically a blank sucks too.
Eh, there's still a level of Impersonation to get through and she can get up in the DZ, shoot something in the back with a shotgun or lay mines in the area, slowing your opponent down.

Avatar is going to be tough, but you can still jam or hack it and shoot at it through smoke with Djanbazan. Or just focus down it's cheerleaders. Avatar can't do shit without orders.

>>52566996
open fire makes steel stuff very hot and iron stuff loses form sometimes. almunimum seems softer, so would melt sooner. Never tried to melt aluminium stuff though. Waste of good metal

Threadly reminder not to feed the troll

>>52567103
>focused on skirmish ground combat

That is a firm Negative, Anon.

People just haven't widespread deployed the necessary terrain tables to run station and ship boarding actions. There are even specific rules for zero-g areas.

http://infinitythewiki.com/en/Special_Terrain_Rules#Zero-G_Terrain

I`m trying to get into Infinity. Can someone sell me on combined army?

>>52568572

Do you like having fancy tech? Do you like big AI-possessed robots? Do you like crazy red apemen professional soldiers? Do you like infiltrating plant bugmen who pop out of eggs and fuck shit up? Do you have a mind control fetish?

All this and more if you just bow to the EI!

>>52567103
>I can't really see how a space navy sectorial would work in a game focused on skirmish ground combat.
qapu khalqi

they're naval security: the sectorial

>>52568640
I thought they were Space Barbary Pirates: the Sectorial?

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>dat not-Javelin

>>52568657
And the vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfiUyUkv308

Hey, so, I'm looking to get into Infinity, but I have a bit of a problem; my favorite models and fluff are all Tunguskan, and they don't have a sectorial. Are their models all good/varied enough I can run vanilla nomads with mostly Tunguskan units and have a good chance, or will I need to do mostly Corregidor/Bakunin models in order to have the variety needed for victory?

>>52568649
Nah, it's kinda the opposite. They're the ones guarding the spice routes.

>>52565157
It's actually because NCA can spam Auxilia FO's (which were even more insane in N2) with a Fusi Link with two HMGs, which freed up more points to spam more Auxilia FO's and Auxulia are some of the worst models in the game. Compared to that, Bolts are weak and beautiful, but there is no way I want to spend a lot of money on models that I don't like regardless of their efficacy in winning ITS games.

>>52565278
Yeah, that is a bit of a dick-punch, but fuck me if I'm going to worry about statistically optimal soldier dollies in a sci fi wargame. Do you really think that I play this game for serious competition?

>>52568649
only non muslims think about bebers navy as pirates. For muslims they were navy, the same way Drake or other totaly-not-paid-by-the-queen buccaneers.

>>52568685
> Do you really think that I play this game for serious competition?

I envy how rich you are. not trolling, I would like to play with anything but the best models I can afford.

>>52568657

Damn these look fucking great

>>52563644
dont underestimate how good a Light Shotgun can be with the X-Visor

>>52568672
All the Tunguska units are highly specialized: Grenzers are anti-camo guys, Spektrs are the only TO Camo for Nomads, Interventors are hackers first and foremost, Szalamandra is a big bad TAG and the remotes have their roles (although they can double as cheerleaders). Securitate absent because they suck donkey balls right now.
So yes, you'd still need Corregidor/Bakunin basic troopers to do the cheerleading and often objective grabbing, but you can build a core Tunguska army. Not sure if you could fit in multiple Spektrs/Grenzers and Szalamandra into a single list, but Transductor and Tsyklon zonds will work great with Interventors. Still, you may want a Moran, Zero, Tomcats or a Bandit for utility or Morlocks/Uberfallkommando/Jaguars for their trading skills.

Any Outrage scans yet? Or at least reviews, is the comic any good?

>>52544829
Lorewise, how do you picture a guy with high CC but no martial arts?

Someone who is strong and has good reflexes in general, but lacks knowledge of any techniques that would make use of that?

>>52568687
Nobody thinks of privateers as navy, they were pirates, it's commonly accepted fact

They don't stop being pirates because they were "our" pirates

>>52569023
Strong is more a PHY thing
Most of the "canon" high CC like PanO HI, Mercs and Highlander seem to be skilled Fighter but having not gained the CC through training but rather experience (mercs) or plain aptitude.
Also angry people.

>>52564294
Bolts are neato for vet 1. You can have an aggressive lt like the squalo and still have the orders to fix it with the mechanic after it eats shit.

>>52568999
Not sure if the first copies have even been send out. My shop is still waiting for it.

>>52569284
>>52568999

Didn't people get copies at adepticon?

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>>52568657
>dat ap rifle
>totally-not-honey-badger

>>52568657
>>52568663
Those look awesome....But why do the Minutemen have those first aid kits on their belts?

>>52569025
Ask anyone who lives in Marocco, if they think that they were pirates and not the punishing fist of god on the infidels and a laweful navy of the turkish ottomans.

>>52568707
It has nothing to do with being rich.

Why do you care about winning inconsequential games of soldier dollies?

I usually get absolutely nothing if I win, or maybe if it's an official ITS tournament, I get some random prize "worth" a few bucks.

I seriously will never understand people who get their self-worth and egos wrapped up in winning silly games that will never have any consequence outside of being a pleasant recreational diversion.

>>52570218
I understand the point is to have fun, but it's a strategy game, and assuming I'm playing against someone competent, I'd rather have a good game with the best lists we both can bring. I enjoy playing and by extension winning the game rather than the simple spectacle of playing the game with the prettiest models. If I wanted that I'd play 40k.

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Couple of quick questions from a noob in regards to my first army, the YuJing StateSec.
As of right now I have the starter (3 Celestial Guards, Phaesant Agent, Crane Agent, Zhanying Agent), a Kanren Counterinsurgent and a Hsien Warrior from the other starter the store owner gifted me.

- Everybody and their dog tells me to get Kuangshi, but I loathe their design. How fucked am I if I don't get them?

- Hsien//2xZhanying and Crane/4xCelestial Guard look like two good link teams to build a force around. True?

- In keeping with the above, I'd need a second Zhanying. According to earlier in the thread apparently there is one inbound, but when can we expect that to drop?

- Xi Zhang looks nothing like the other Celestial Guards (and, in fact, pretty awful). What could I proxy him with that's closer to the real thing?

- Assuming I lack the SWC to get the Crane with the spitfire: Multirifle/Assault Hacker or boarding shotgun?

>>52570240
>strategy game
>rolling d20s

Sorry, no. If I want to play an abstract strategy game for the sake of playing a strategy game, I'd just play Go or Chess or whatever. I hate playing miniatures wargames with people who reduce the game to the statistical probabilities of success while ignoring the aesthetic and narrative aspects. I would rather not play the game at all than play with people who reduce the game to that.

I only play tabletop games with themes for the narratives that come out of the die rolling and because I enjoy the other aspects of the hobby. I have been enjoying my Infinity terrain construction project quite a bit, and I also enjoy building and painting pewter miniatures, and CB does a superior job of producing finely detailed pewter miniatures that are a challenging and satisfying experience to construct.

>>52570432
Fellow noob here. Tried to play ISS without kuang chis. Ended up playing vanila with monks, because of that. ISS is good, and has a ton of cool HI or pseudo HI units. But to have those work you need smoke and you need cheap cheerleaders. CG, sadly, are not cheap.
But then again I am a fellow noob, and maybe somewhere out there someone won a majour event with ISS without any Kuangs.

As links go. I played with most, and the ones I liked was first turn proxy kuangs and a celesial to stop them from being crazy, reformed after turn 1 in to a wu ming link. A wu mink duo and Celestial link.

I avoided the cranes and the phaesents. Run the zhanying with wu ming and always the hsien. I tried the baos as a link and as single models, but two rems seem always the better option. A lu dan and its spitfire sister are my favorit model of the whole faction, even if I only do own a cardboard cut out of them.

>>52570240
>I'd rather have a good game with the best lists we both can bring
This isn't really much of a list building game. It would cost more to make a shitty list (like say 10 bikers in USARF) than a competent one.

>If I wanted that I'd play 40k
Now that is a biggest wallet wins game. Try playing nids without splurging for two flyrants or going against a guy who has money for 3 Riptides and see how it goes.

Also Bolts are the financially cheap option for NCA, as you get 3 of them in the starter box and you don't need to scramble Fusiliers from the starter set with two models you can't use or by supplementing Fusi box with Spec-Ops and Angus models. NCA starter has all the other cool shit you'd want in NCA, so adding a Deva and two Bolts already gives you a 9-man 6swc 300pts list. If you want cheaper guys, you need to dish out more dosh. If you're not using them then you're wasting 3 models from your starter.

>>52570218
Because losing is not fun, and losing because of models you paid for feels like your kicking yourself in the balls. Specialy when in my case an infinity army has a substential cost.
Also here we do not get "randomized" prizes. Top 3 gets something, maybe top 8 if it is a realy big tournament. Everyone else spends money on gas/tickets plus the entry fee. And for me this on top of the army cost would be too much, if the army was made out of stuff which could make me lose.

By the way this does not mean I play the best of the best armies.As those tend to cost too much. I play with the best in my price range, which happened to be ISS. And If I could have bought kuang chis I would probably have more fun. Then getting beaten because of lack of smoke.

>>52570669
For most of the tabletop games I've played, nobody gets anything after the game!

>>52570706
that you guys must have a lot of draws where you play, because here winner always feels better then the loser.

>>52570776
>He "feels better" about winning the soldier dolly dice roll game.

I'm sorry about your childhood full of abuse.

>>52570865
Ok, so the only other options are for the one who is losing to feel better, or the hard to imagine no one feeling good after the game. In which case I think your childhood seems a lot worse then my was.

>>52570930
I just enjoy the aesthetic experience of recreational tabletop wargaming. Winning or losing only has an effect on my mood if my opponent is a smug bastard/buttmad crybaby about it, and then I am disappointed that I didn't make a friend, but instead wasted a few hours of my life playing a game with an asshole.

>>52570981
*aesthetic and social experience

>>52568707
>the best models I can afford.
Are you sure you play this game? There is no "best" model, not really. All you need is a bit of strategic planning. Overlapping lines of sight, contingency plans, etc. Look multiple turns ahead, like you do in chess.

>>52570981
I can enjoy stuff without having to spend 500-600$ on two armies and a gaming table. Or in case of having such money being able to have a lot more fun spending it on vodka, women, movies and going to sports events.

Also hours??? what store lets a game be longer then 1 hour? even if you pay for the table the time limit is 60min, and if you over do it people waiting in line will "pack" your models for you.

>>52570578
I love my models as much as anyone, I just don't try to justify playing them if they're clearly just worse than others. To be it's like saying "let's play a game of who rolls the highest and you can use a d20 I'll use this d12 because it's prettier"

I still have the pretty models I just choose to leave some on the shelf in order to make the best list I can within the restrictions. Will I play the best faction because it's the best? No, but if I'm playing pano I'll take some cool units (like aquila and Swiss guards) but still leave the bolts on the shelf since the cool units I am running will be able to do a lot cooler stuff. Not every model in my army has to be perfectly to my liking.

>>52571006
Sure. I started with ISS, kuang chis are essential units, yet am not going to pay the guy that buys them up the storex3 price. Tell me what should I replace units with, as there are no other stand in option and an ISS without a smoke msv combo is weak?
Or how about people who want to play ariadna and do not have the money to run 20 models which they have to fish out from multi model boxs?

>>52571058
You have a limit on tables at your store? The stores I play at usually have plenty of open tables and my games routinely go to 1.5 hours at the upper end.

>>52571058
>vodka, women, movies and going to sports events
> even if you pay for the table the time limit is 60min
>people waiting in line will "pack" your models for you
What kind of 3rd world shithole is that?

>>52571124
I have not seen a store in my 27 years of gaming that had more then 3 tables, and I would say that 2 as the normal thing for a huge majority. And by huge I mean I can remember maybe 2 store that had 3 tables.

>>52571058
>vodka
>if you don't win it's not fun
>store has stupid rules like time limits and paying for tables

Wait a minute...

>>52571149
I am from Poland and we are not 3ed world.

>>52571171
Most GW one man stores have like 2 tables. Every independent shop I've seen has at least like 6-8 6x4 tables.

>>52571171
My LGS has 9 6×4 all purpose tables, a dedicated blood bowl stadium table, a dedicated acryllic maritime wargame table, and 4 round RPG tables

And it's not even the biggest one in my city

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>>52571222
AHA! I fucking knew it

>>52571244
We have a GW in Warsaw. It has technicly 3 tables, but two are demo games only and only on certain days, and only if you have not yet bought anything. the biggest table is always reserved .

>>52571251
And ??? As soon as the germans and russians give us back what they destroy durning WWII, and then stole through 50 years of communism, we probably will be on the same level as the rest of the world. Assuming somehow the rest of the world will stop developing, which without some huge war I can't imagine happening.

>>52570776
I usually just feel good after playing, unless I'm being completely roflstomped, which happened maybe twice. But as long as I'm getting a few shots in of steal an objective I feel good afterwards.

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>>52571222
Damn, we've had so many Ukrainians here lately I was starting to guess it's not Poland this time.
How far from Białystok, my good man?

>>52571296
Warsaw also has Wargamer (which has 3 tables and Infinity terrain), Gentleman's Club and Dragon. None of these places have time limits, I've even caused Wargamer shopkeep to stay after hours so we could finish our game. And that's not counting are the people with tables at homes.

>>52570432
>- Everybody and their dog tells me to get Kuangshi, but I loathe their design. How fucked am I if I don't get them?

While they're not totally necessary, a lot of the more expensive units do seem to bank on the cheap orders Kuang Shi would provide, but the same can be done with Celestial Guard (but you'll likely still field the KSCD option because of the attached smoke). You're not gimping yourself, but tryhards do like having both a source of smoke and five orders for under 35 points.

>- Hsien//2xZhanying and Crane/4xCelestial Guard look like two good link teams to build a force around. True?
It's fine
>- In keeping with the above, I'd need a second Zhanying. According to earlier in the thread apparently there is one inbound, but when can we expect that to drop?
Anywhere between the next two to six months.

>- Xi Zhang looks nothing like the other Celestial Guards (and, in fact, pretty awful). What could I proxy him with that's closer to the real thing?

Just take the Yu Jing Spec-Ops model and proxy madtraps with some Crazy Koalas or markers

>- Assuming I lack the SWC to get the Crane with the spitfire: Multirifle/Assault Hacker or boarding shotgun?
Multi-rifle/AHD for still having hard shooting (B2 DA in reactive and B4 AP/Shock in active), being able to do objectives on a heavy infantry platform, and that Boarding Shotguns can still be covered by your regular Celestial Guard.

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>>52562753
We're not getting a Locust until well after Gencon at the earliest. Probably later. So, built one of these a while back when they came out.

>>52568657
I love these, but we really need to fix one thing: Every single USA model is standing up, both feet on the ground. Nobody's running, nobody's kneeling, nobody's crouching low. That leads to... a bit of bland visuals for an entire assembled force unfortunately.

>>52570578
>for the narratives that come out of the die rolling
Aha! The AOS troll's learned to form complete sentences!

>>52571222
>and we are not 3ed world
Could've fooled me.
also slavposters GTFO

>>52571324
well Bialystok is a far away place like on the other side of the country. I am smack on the border with germany and czech republic. How do people even know what bialystok is by the way? Famouse because of its anti muslim nazi parades with swastikas being classed as a solar luck charm by the local judges?

>>52571715
>How do people even know what bialystok is by the way?
It's because a few people posted about what turned out to be an extremely shitty Infinity meta. No, worse. No, even shittier than that.

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>>52571636
Mistakes were made.

How popular is limited insertion in everyone's areas? Do you mind people pushing to play it more?

>>52571601
Batman?

>>52571903
Best part is that's a girl.

>>52571094

> yet am not going to pay the guy that buys them up the storex3 price

Well see that's not the game's fault, that just being stuck in a shitty area.

>>52572169
...fuck, it's true. I never noticed that.

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>le fun meme
Who the fuck let Warhammer kids from Reddit in?

>>52571702
You actually believe that being "good" at playing with soldier dollies is a thing that matters in life?

>>52572975
I should have quoted this dumb tryhard faggot too.
>>52572273

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Tell me how unfun to play against I am.

>>52572996
Go back to your general Battle Brother.

>>52573134
I'd play against it, looks like it could be a fun challenge

>>52572975
>going to play a wargame
>lose
>"lol its not strategy because dice"
>"lol @ trying 2 win in mandollies, what a nolife"
>"u like winning? must've been beaten as a kid"
It's like the sore loser WAAC kids with a coat of fake moral superiority.
No matter how you try to sugarcoat it, you're just a tremendous faggot.

And yeah, it does matter to me. If it didn't I wouldn't play a wargame.

>>52573134
Could be ___fun____. I'm in.

>>52573218

For about the first couple of turns it's trying to avoid making bad trades against daylami suicide attackers, then crawling the broken pieces of your forces over to fight a TAG with plenty of cheerleaders to keep it going.

On a scale of 1-10, how 'fuck you' is an all-camo ariadnan list like this?

Ariadna
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GROUP 1 8 / 2
SCOUT Lieutenant Ojotnik, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 29)
SPETSNAZ (CH: Ambush Camouflage) Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 34)
SPETSNAZ (CH: Ambush Camouflage) HMG / Pistol, CCW, Knife. (1.5 | 38)
CHASSEUR (Minelayer) Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
CHASSEUR (Minelayer) Rifle, Light Flamethrower, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 20)
TANKHUNTER Portable Autocannon, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34)
HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
HARDCASE FRONTIERSMAN Tactical Bow, Light Shotgun / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 12)
S.A.S. (Forward Observer) Rifle / Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 24)
S.A.S. Chain Rifle, Grenades / Assault Pistol, AP CCW, Knife. (0 | 22)

GROUP 23
FOXTROT (Forward Observer) Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
FOXTROT (Forward Observer) Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)
FOXTROT (Forward Observer) Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 18)

5.5 SWC | 299 Points

>>52573134
I'll reciprocate with the three uberfallkommando, 1 Kusanagi, and 14 spitfire moderator list.

Or maybe the "England still won" list.

Or just, y'know, use sensors, suppressive fire, warbands, high armored or ODD troops to deal

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>>52571702
>also slavposters GTFO
But who will provide catboys when they're gone?

>>52573264

Could be.

>>52573396

I never really know how to rate camo lists.

>>52573413

I've never played against England still won, I'd be curious to see how it would do.

>>52573282
Like I said, a fun challenge

Would love to take it on with nomads

>>52570578
>I only play tabletop games with themes for the narratives that come out of the die rolling and because I enjoy the other aspects of the hobby.
Then go play RPG

>>52573134
>spending points on non-daylami
you can fit like four or five full combat groups of daylami in 300

go full insurgency

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>>52573134

People hate playing against this one for some reason.

>>52571636
Yep, that's my biggest issue with the USARF. Boring models/poses.

>>52573396
I'd move two foxtrot into command group 1, swapping with hardcase and chasseur.

Just make sure you have your tokens straight and end up confusing yourself. Certainly don't show up to a tournament without any practice.

>>52573795

I play this list a fair bit, or at lest similar ones; there's something viscerally satisfying abou thanding the courtesy list to an opponent and it's blank, and then deploying 19 camo tokens--of which two are mines and four aren't real.

>>52573134
>get about 6 morlocks and an hmg intruder
>create smoke screen/bait AROs with impetuous orders
>discover/shoot/repeat

>>52573585

What would you run against it?

>>52573647

It's more about the double wammy of a well run TAG along with a large scale camo daylami. It's meant to be disruptive.

>>52573734

I fucking hate cutters.

>>52573849

Costs you time though. In that time I'm setting up the ghulami and getting ready to apply the TAG. That's the give and take though I guess.

>>52573134
Daylami. 10 of them. Inferior infiltration. rolling 7/10 that means three or four actually get where they want while the rest are on a board edge in their deployment zone, out of marker state, otherwise being irregular and with the stats of an average line trooper with maybe a panzerfaust on half of them. The TAG itself can be easy enough to kill with a combat specialist, hack, or heavy shooting. Two mission capable specialists otherwise with the Hacker and Engineer. It's a neat challenge that can definitely catch some people through shock and luck but I don't exactly fear it. Getting the models without proxying would be a bitch for the Daylami.

>>52574023
I'm alright with it taking a bit, like a previous anon said I'll have to clean up like 5 of them at most, and once that is done the morlocks and intruder will be just as good at taking down the maggie, if not better because I can give the locks E/M weapons and just suicide charge them for an IMM2

>>52573413
>>52573507
What is England still won?


>>52573469
Youre just a Bakuninite without a ship to call home.

>>52574073

Shock is definitely the big factor. Some people deal with it by digging in and letting me outmaneuver them, some people flub and expose the wrong units. If I have a lot of infiltrators fail then they make a decent potential vanguard for the magh though.

It's very beatable though.

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>>52574023
>I fucking hate cutters.

They hate you too.

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Did RPG give any hints of how Ariadna tech looks like? Planning to add this to my Polite Cossaks base.

>>52574212
>What is England still won?
Spamming highlanders, with Wallace to make them regular.

>Youre just a Bakuninite without a ship to call home.
Oi, just because I want to cuddle a catboy does not mean I'm Bakuninite.
...Does it?

>>52574205

All depends on how it goes down. A little hiccup in deployment, a lucky roll here or there, all depends. Granted, my strategy basically banks on pushing opponents to make mistakes and painfully exploiting them, so if you keep play tight you can weather me.

>>52574212

The Scottish list.

>>52574245

*shakes fist*

How would you guys design/fluff an Ariadnan TAG?

For me, design-wise it would be ARM 10, movement something like 2-2 or 4-2, equipped with something like 4x chain rifles, 2x panzerfausts, and an APCCW. No fancy gear or rules aside from Primitive TAG and Heavyweight, maybe V:Courage or somethign ot represent the pilot being a veteran trooper. Fluffwise it'd be effectively a power loader from Aliens with several inch-thick Teseum plating (provided by the Caledonians), with a Merovingian visual design, a Kazak pilot, and USAriadnan weapons, a true multinational project to thrust Ariadnan warfare to the modern era whether it is ready or not. Just a walking tank/heavy weapons platform with more teseum than most people would see in a lifetime bolted to it, but it's a start.

>>52574470
I'd much rather see a teseumed-up wiesel

But if it has to be a tag of some sort, your idea is pretty much on point except I would add a BS weapon like a MK5 or an HMG

>>52574470
>How would you guys design/fluff an Ariadnan TAG?
Something more like Maghariba

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>>52545749
Ariadnan boarding shotguns are pump action.
Their previous light shotguns were short lever-actionand didn't look retarded. Why do tacticool double-barreled shotguns when Ojotniks are a thing?

>>52574365
>The Scottish list.

You're a cheeky cunt arent you?

>>52574339
>making the whole table as grey as the skies of that island
Thanks for the clarification

And yes, combined with posting on a Cambodian ARPANET Exchange Node you are. no worries though, you're in good company.

>>52574470
I'd make it the first Vehicle (VH). a tank, Kazak design like a Traktor Mul. Give it an AP HMG and like two chain rifles. Movement 6-4. Armor 8 and call it a day.

>>52574630

Only the cheekiest.

>>52574470
TAGs are foreign mercenaries. What you described is pretty much the Blackjack. Honestly I'd like to see something like>>52574560

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I wrote this up on a whim, but it intuitively feels okay.

>>52574847
But why though?

>>52574938

I wanted to spam Asuras and backed with with camo units. I wound up replacing one of them with Achilles and couldn't justify not including a Sophotecht.

>>52574847
>no posthumans
0/10, wouldn't defend the Human Sphere with.

>>52575037

I wanted to work in a way to have the mkII and mkIII but it was prohibitively expensive.

So I was a Yu Jing player who branched out to Haqqislam because of O:RV and I just recently played my first game with Qapu Khalki and I gotta say ... dang Yuan Yuan are so much fun.

Booty's a fun rule. Inferior Combat Jump is a fun rule (albeit with an EVO to bring the rolls up to a 14)

To die in an asymmetrical trade is fun. And on top of all that they have smoke!

>>52573396
Honestly I think a list with 20 orders with something like half of them camo is more scary than a list that's entirely camo.

If I come against you playing Ariadna but you only have 13 orders I'm going to feel a little relieved.

>>52575098
As-salamu alaykum brother.

>>52574470
I wish kazaks got something of this sort.

>>52573469
who made this? / source

>>52576344
http://smaggthesmug.tumblr.com/search/felix+martinez

>>52574657
Feuerbach (for light cannon) or Red Fury (for AA cannon) sounds more fitting. Though I think CB has said they aren't doing vehicles.

There was some talk at a conference within the last year, however, that MRRF would get like a dune buggy.

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>>52576541
> Dat recent Wildcat HRL post

>>52573842
The "so you like to hunt LTs" 11 Saladins list was good too.

>>52573842
>>52575327
Back in N2 (when camo markers were still effectively S2) it was hilarious to deploy the antipode controller in reserve and watch the opponent's reaction as he realizes he's completely misjudged what's under camo.

especially when you have only 2 in your DZ

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>>52578239
>>52578239

30 minutes or its free