Pathfinder General /pfg/

first for reverse traps a cute

>>52527187

Reverse traps with huge bound boobs are the best!

>>52527187
Third for getting some yummy dicky daddy cummy in your good girl tummy.

>>52527164
Literally my Friday campaign has me travelling through time constantly. Literally woke up one time in front of four direhyenas that wanted to eat us. Also my half-giant likes to bone ladies from different timelines. My spawn will live on through the ages!

Was that a new record for how quickly a thread has become degenerate garbage?

>>52527187
DHB made a reverse trap. A flat tiny reverse trap.

Is she gonna get mind broken?

>>52527227
Nah, it just got beaten when just just posted now

>>52527227
i think so

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>>52527230
She's gonna get put into attractive and fashionable dresses by MILF elf and autistic card games waifu (who can weave and sew).

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>>52527208
There's a point where this needs to stop and you have clearly passed it.

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>>52527279
>>52527164
Tell me about your magic clothes, /pfg/.

Let's homebrew some items.

Give me an item of clothing and a school of magic and I'll write up something right fucking now.

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>>52527279
Gonna be honest, I can't see DHB letting that happen.

I'm seeing it turning out more like pic related. Haha, warcrimes

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>>52527187
>>52527203
>>52527208

You people are a bunch of god damned degenerates.

*shakes fist*

>>52527311
Universal ascot.

>>52527314
You can't be breaking Geneva Convention when your setting has no Geneva...

Jesus Christ you fucking animals. Can you contain your erections? /d/ is that way you God damn wastes of life.

Fucking hell. DSP just started a new playtest, let's talk about that or at least anything that isn't your inability to go to a porn board for your porn. Fucking degenerates.

>>52527344
>/d/ is that way
/tg/ and /d/ are basically interchangeable, calm your shit.
>>>/reddit/

>>52527343
Geneva is Macridi or Detmer. Neutral ground in a very rich country surrounded by mountains.

Could one simply trade out the 6th level wiz/sorc casting a Warlock vigilante gets for SoP mid-casting?

Are any feats worth it for witches besides Extra Hexes, Accursed Hex, and Split Hex?

>>52527279
>who can weave and sew
But can she embroider?

>>52527344
Nobody really gives a shit about yet another limp-wristed support class that isn't even as strong as a tactician (and nobody cared about THAT).

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Tell me /pfg/, how do I /LAWBRINGER/?
I wanna bring the salt to my enemies, and Deus Vult as they fall to their death off of cliffs and bridges

>>52527344
This is what happens when you ban /wst/, they spill into and fester in a general for a shitty game, where the releases are always slow and disapointing, the Devs are creeps and pervs, and people just lose interest in playing the game normall since the who system is fucked from the start.

Also, /tg/ has always been super degenerate since the olden days. Hell, we're the board that invented Thri-Kreen Erotica and the Rape Factory/Economy

>>52527412
You get rekt by casters

>>52527203
>bound

No, no. You get a bra of holding, so you can look completely flat despite having huge knockers.

>>52527384
This shit is why devs don't come around any more. You plaster the walls with fucking feces and masturbate in public, then crow that people can't handle you. Basic decency isn't difficult you fucking moron.

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>>52527412
Pretty sure the rape economy was a MJP /m/ meme.

>>52527344
This dude over here is right, >>52527412. /tg/ was always full of degenerates and perverts who just want to mix their ERP and power fantasy.

At least /pfg/ is into vanilla shit like handholding, shortstacks and putting tomboys into dresses.

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Which LoBaF PCs do you want to see hook up with a gnoll waifu/husbando?

>>52527440
As I said - fuck off, if you can't handle a few people throwing their fetishes around and need to be autistic about it then maybe you simply don't belong. This isn't your hugbox.

>>52527412
The fucks a rape factory economy.

Let's get away from that with something else, shall we?

I realized something while I was building my One Piece builds, and that's that anime characters have WAY too much HP compared to the average Pathfinder character. So I maxed out whatever hit die their gestalted classes would get instead of taking average, which for pretty much everyone brought them up to over 100 HP.

>>52527461
I wanna see Essa be mind broken by a gnoll pseudo-cock!

>>52527384
No they fucking aren't you fucking fuckfag.

>>52527487
The big three in OP are level 20, at least.

>>52527429
Well yeah, that's a given since I'm playing Pathfinder. However, I luckily have a group that tries to be accommodating for such characters, since most everyone has had a taste of Full Caster at least once and we agree no mortal man is meant to have that kind of power.

So, how do I LAwbringer. I should've also mentioned that PoW is available, as is most 3pp if the DM vets it first, though I would like to know what my options are both with and without PoW.

>>52527440
Go cry to your nazimod overlord you turbofag.

>>52527504
>being a post-2011 newfag
fuck off.

>>52527524
>Go cry to your nazimod overlord you turbofag.
Reminder that we have people in this thread who actually admit they liked Nazimod.

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Does anyone care about DSP's highlord at all?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i2wrIBB_sibYLbUHh_Dbh5Y0guEQgnYbFwjKnvS375w/edit#

>>52527534
We call those kinds of people "sacrifices" or "target practice"

>>52527524
Well I mean isn't Silver Crane from PoW basically Overzealous Deus Vult - the Discipline?

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>>52527551
>4717 AR
>caring about DSP

>>52527551
Give me a TL;DR of the class, and maybe I'll read it.

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>>52527551
Not after you posted something like that.

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>>52527564
It's a psionic battlefield leader with a collective!

>>52527564
Very very strong class, but there's a limit of only one character that can use it at a time. If you want to build a character with the class then you have to find the current user and beat them up.

>>52527311
Evocation and cloak/cape.

>>52527513
Maybe, but I'm building them at level 9 (though I did Luffy at 10 since he's the captain) for the challenge, and also because if I did level 20 builds for everyone it would actually take forever. I'm mostly working these builds around the idea that they're around the power level of pre-timeskip Straw Hat crew, so anywhere from Thriller Bark to Sabaody Archepelago.

I'm also doing these as purely Pathfinder-built characters as opposed to just statting them out as how I imagine how strong they SHOULD be, again as part of the challenge and also because I'm doing this while imagining that these are being built by people who are legitimately minmaxing for certain builds. Unfortunately this means that certain things get left in the dust either due to my own ignorance or due to failure of the system to provide for my needs, but them's the breaks.

>>52527559
Why was 4606 chosen by paizo for the year Aroden leaves? What happened in 1906?

>>52527606
That classic DSP top tier design.

>>52527551
I'm just a bit through it, and it just seems like a mix between the Tactician and Psychic Warrior

Not that impressive desu, especially since the Tactician wasn't really "bad" persay, just kinda boring.

>>52527598
So the tactician?

>>52527551
I might've cared if it wasn't in google docs, which I can't view, and instead in a pastebin, which I can.

>>52527606
Sounds pretty damned stupid.

>>52527612
Well, by the in-game calendar, it'd be 1806. 4717 is meant to parallel the real-world year, yes, but in the modules where you go to Earth, it's a parallel to 100 years before now (so WW1 was just wrapping up during Reign of Winter).

>>52527612
It was 100 years prior to 2006, which is when Paizo published the Golarion setting.

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>>52527630
>>52527631
List of psionic battlefield leaders with collectives:
>medium (empath)
>mesmerist (ringleader), not psionic but psychic, close enough
>tactician
>vitalist
>zealot

Why do we give a shit about yet another?

>>52527634
Why would you not be able to view a google docs?

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>>52527660
GMT+8

>>52527650
So is this the new "I make some magic bolt thing and hit a single target"
>Kineticist
>Jollylock
>Soulbolt
>Psyarm
>Avowed
>Spellburst
>probably something else I'm missing

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>>52527630
>a mix between the Tactician and Psychic Warrior
A mix between the tactician and psywar is just the tactician, which already had 3/4 BAB and personal combat.

>>52527687
Are you Evil Wist?

>>52527551
I will tomorrow, when my eyeballs aren't about to explode from staring at a computer screen and I'm not about to pass out from lack of sleep.

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>>52527687

>>52527634
>I might've cared if it wasn't in google docs, which I can't view,
wow, you must be very bored and confused often

>>52527710
Who

>>52527715
Chyna will grow larger.

>>52527721
Well I'm confused now

>>52527687
>>52527634
Fuck off Chinaman, you're the only chinaman here and the rest of us sure as hell aren't going to change from google just so you can look at shit

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>>52527650
>>52527691
>>52527695
DSP has a new class coming up too, pharaoh. It's an akashic/PoW hybrid.

It's going to be another limp wristed support class with a fake collective, isn't it?

>>52527753
I didn't ask you to. Why are you so butthurt, it's definitely just you - nobody else in this thread would sound so #triggered by a random nationality.

>>52527776
No i'm just fucking annoyed by you repeatedly coming in here and whining about 'MUH GOOGLE DOCS' when its literally a problem only you have.

I hope you get crushed by a tank.

>>52527776
There are four types of communication.
Assertive - Could someone dump it in a pastebin?
Aggressive - Man, fuck DSP.
Passive - Okay.
Passive-Aggressive - I might've cared if it wasn't in google docs, which I can't view, and instead in a pastebin, which I can.

>>52527476
> Not wanting shit all over the walls is a hugbox

Nah brah you're just subhuman

>>52527792
>whining
It was a passing mention.

>>52527818
>passive aggressive
Anon I probably wouldn't have cared enough to look at it even if it were in a pastebin to begin with and just made a passing remark since I clicked on it and got a Connection Reset error, what reason could I possibly have to passive-aggressive? Goddamnit you people, why are you all so easily offended by literally nothing?

>>52527880
You've whined about it before, and i'm sure you'll whine about it again

>>52527524
>So, how do I LAwbringer

Ordained Defender/Zweihander Sentinel Warder.

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>>52527329
Gotchu famalam.

>ARCHMAGE BUTLER'S ASCOT
>Aura strong universal; CL 13th
>Slot neck; Price 31,500 gp; Weight .5 lb.
This linen ascot is prim and austere, stained black using dyes made from the crushed feathers of common familiar birds such as ravens, owls and hawks. Developed from a tradition of Aztlan warrior-servitors wearing black iron torcs to similar effect, modern designs are softer and do not carry the same suggestion of slavery. These garments are designed to be accessories worn around the necks of humanoid servants of powerful arcane magic wielders, granting them many of the benefits of being a familiar at the cost of being greatly limited by their master's power. The wearer of the ascot receives all of the benefits of being a familiar appropriate to their master's level while retaining their own hit dice and abilities, however their intelligence is modified in accordance to their master's hit dice. Bound to a master of too low skill and power and the wearer will find their intellect suppressed to that of a child.

The ascot must be placed around the neck of the recipient by their future master, followed by speaking the command phrase. Additionally, the user must have the ability to possess a familiar through class features or feats. A Witch who converts a humanoid into her familiar through this item must succeed a caster level check at a DC of the (10 + humanoid's Hit Dice) to transfer her spells to them from her previous familiar. Stored spells will appear on skin in text or images of particular meaning to the Witch.

Requirements
>Craft Wondrous Item, Limited Wish, Arcane Mark, familiar class feature or feats.

>>52527910
>you've whined about it before
No anon. I've explicitly asked for HELP before, to see if there was some version I could access. At this rate anyone asking for help on their build or application is 'whining'. And I saw that one time you accused someone else of being me for asking about, what, spells? Spells don't use Google, I can view the entire lists on the SRD perfectly fine; that wasn't me.

>>52527948
Well maybe you shouldn't sound like a petulant child when you ask

>>52527956
>maybe you shouldn't sound like a petulant child when you ask
To the best of my knowledge I basically said "hey guys, is there a PDF with a list of all the traits and drawbacks anywhere".
How is this petulant? Are you baiting me again?

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What does my diplomacy roll have to meet to convince a stranger to kill themselves with a well thought out argument of nihilism?

>>52527880
Chinaman, it's okay that you need help with English. If you don't care you don't comment. If you care and you comment assertively you attempt to get things done. If you care and you comment aggressively then you lash out even if it doesn't help. If you care and you comment passively you avoid directly addressing the issue. If you care and comment passive-aggressively then you act as if you don't care, but if you actually didn't care then you wouldn't comment.

>>52527976
Because when people were like 'why' you refused to just say I CAN'T SEE GOOGLE CAUSE I'M IN CHINA

And expected a almost universally westerner website to know about what is and isn't blocked in fucking chingchong land.

>>52527311
Necromancy Corset.

>>52527864
>coming to an latrine not expecting it to smell like shit
No, you're just retarded. Coming to /tg/, which has historically been degenerate as fuck much like the rest of 4chan, and not expecting us to act like shits is like going to the Vatican and expecting them to start having Islamic Mullahs there on sight to give you a sermon.

Either lurk more and learn how to properly assimilate into traditional board culture like a good anon, or fuck right back off to reddit, because you don't belong here nor do you make any attempt to understand or fit in to the board culture, and instead you just whine and make everyone miserable because you can't stand badwrongfun

Seriously, you and the other nazimod apologists need to fuck off to whatever subreddit you crawled from and never come back.

>>52527980
10 + their HD + their Will Save, plus the usual penalties for suggesting self-harm.

Assuming you were talking a hostile level 10 Paladin with 16 Cha of a god who opposes suicide into killing themselves for no great purpose to the common people or their faith, that would be a DC of 55 or so?

Which Blingmaker waifu would you marry and why is it Franze?

>>52528005
> Muh board culture
> Muh freeze peach
> Anyone who wants things to be better must be an evil invader

How's Alabama treating you, faggot?

>>52528005
Fuck off with board culture. Your culture is shit

>>52528044
That's an odd way to spell Seska because I want to blow raspberries on her abs.

>>52528046
They speak French, drink like (drunk) fish and serve poutine.

I think I took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

>>52528044

You do not marry Franze, Franze marries you off to someone you'd be even happier with.

>>52528044
If I marry Harland do i get to know the secret blend of herbs and spices?

>>52528066

Wait, I thought Canadians were soft-bodied nu-males.

>>52528001
Because almost literally everyone I cared to imply it to since about 2012 or so knew about it. I've been here for longer, mind you.

>refused to just say
Again, why the actual fuck are you so butthurt? I was literally just starting to meme at the time since there obviously wasn't a PDF.

>>52527994
Yes, well I suppose I'm wrong if there's two different people berating me for it. Thanks for being more, mature? about it than this other child. I legitimately didn't care that much though, maybe I worded it wrong. I'll have to think about how to do it next time.

>>52528042
Isn't that a little bit too effective? It's not like convincing someone mentally healthy into killing themselves is going to happen with some basic nihilism. Nihilism is something you kind of have to discover on your own, you can't really have it drilled into you.

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>>52528042
Alright, so assuming I roll a 19 (to take house rules on nat 20s out of the equation) I would need a bard to have a diplomacy score of 36 to meet that on a difficult target. According to this, there is some viability to my plan to completely fuck over the campaign late game.

>>52528044
Toss-up between Seska or Milre. I like my girls either big or little.

>>52528124
>36
You're not allowed to have skills higher than your hit die.

>>52528142
i think he was referring to total, with other mods

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>>52528046
>>52528052
>lol I'm a shit, so I'll just respond with a nonsequitor in an attempt to assert my dominance and superiority! Truly I have the larger penis!
Fuck off. Seriously, if you don't like /tg/ board culture, then just fucking leave and go back to your subeddit. No one is forcing you to stay here, you're just making an ass out of yourself by insisting that the board must convert to be your hugbox and not hurt your feefees.

Leave, you are not suited for 4chan. You will never be suited to 4chan, and all you and your kind have done is made /tg/ shittier by chasing off the creative thought and productive anons.

This used to be a great board, but now you and your ilk have bled it dry and left it an anemic husk of what it once was. Why must you compulsively turn everything you tough into shit you horrible assmongers!?

>>52528142
You're not allowed to have skill RANKS higher than your hit die, bonuses from Charisma and other sources are still entirely viable to get that number by a certain level.

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>>52528153
>This used to be a great board

Ya got me.

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I want to take the bodies of the two sons of the evil queen and bakes them in some pies. Then serve them to the mother.

>>52528165
Not him but /tg/ was known to be one of the best boards in its early days by basically the entire site. Yeah there was its own brand of cancer, but it was generally good. Even though it was a containment board.

>>52528183
Chaotic Evil that is right there

>>52528184
As long as /pure fucking garbage/ exists this place would never be good. "Hugbox" or no.

>>52528184
hahahaha

>>52528153
> M-my ERP and fetish posting is CONTENT
> If you just leave I can POST CONTENT AGAIN
> Basic decency offends me!

That's some high-grade rationalizations there, dumbass.

>>52528183
Paladin associated himself with you for a while so he falls now.

>>52528153
>x board used to be good

Absolute mark of a newfag

Every board has always been cancer, from the day of their inception

>>52528203
>>52528200
That's legitimately what it was considered back then - doesn't matter what you think ten years later fresh from reddit.

>>52528213
Again not him but just because it used to be cancer doesn't mean it wasn't better than it was before today. Look at /a/ for a very good example. Or even /pol/ really.

>>52528100

Of course not, what's wrong with you?

>>52528225
Ahahahahaha

Ahahaha

>>52528205
Basic decency? What are you talking about? Literally where the fuck do you think you are?

>>52528200
You're just a fucking anon, your subjective assertations on what is and isn't "pure fucking garbage" is not objective fact. Its just you being overtly autistic about your opinions.

Deal with it faggot.

>>52528242
...I hate to pull this, but not an argument. Why are you even responding? This isn't even smug anime girl tier, I can't even save it for further use.

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>>52528252

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>>52528268
Bitch don't post the most common ones.

>>52528246
O-okay, ya got me. /pfg/ isn't actually a shit stain.

>>52528243
A general that used to be a lot more fucking tolerable. Then everything changed when the degenerates took over and started bleating about their unalienable fucking right to post porn and wank all over the place.

You know, like you.

>>52528044
Probably between Franze or Antoinette. I like that they're not classical "evil" characters, and also look nice.

>>52528213
If this whole website has always been cancer, then why do you even bother coming trying to convert it to your """""""oubviously""""" superior ways, and why do you even spend time and willingly associate youself with cancer tat you so obviously and apparently despise?

This either makes you an invader, in which case your an asshole, a lying shitposter who's good at baiting, again an asshole, or someone from reddit or Paizo Messageboards who for some ungodly reason thinks he can make a difference on 4chan, which makes you retarded

>>52528281
I don't post porn. I can't even if I wanted to, I'm terrible at ERP and don't want to ERP. The only people I shit on are the ones who decide that suddenly they're the ones who decide what is not acceptable to post.

>>52528281
Chill, dude

>>52528281
General full of degenerates who know the rules >>>>>>>> general full of retards who don't know the first thing about the rules and start screeching autistically when things like tier lists are brought up. You will never, ever, EVER convince me that the general was better before.

>>52528213
The presence of cancer does not mean the entire board is cancerous.

Okay, let's try to turn this thread around. Which daddy would be best to teach Onryou the ways of true fatherly love.

>>52528277
Found a few:
https://imgur.com/a/QL1nm

>>52528281
>A general that used to be a lot more fucking tolerable.
>implying it was degeneratse that took over the general
>implyig it wasn't General Culture that took over a degenerate cesspit
>implying this was even a problem back in the days when /wst/ still existed o contain people's desire to write boner characters
You brought ALL of this shit on yourself you retarded cumguzzler newfag!

>>52528298
Because I too am cancer anon, thats obviously why i'm here.

>That huge post about the Swordlords for Blingmaker

This can't be a bamboozle.

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>>52528277
They're common because they're the best.

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>>52528334
Did...did you just upload a smug folder?
Okay I admit defeat...this time. I will return!

>>52528347
oh but it is, that's why the GM doesn't hang arounf the thread or even the discord cabal

>>52528358
I share my stuff because much of it was also shared with me!

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>>52528369
LG Paragon anon detected

What's a good amount of time to wait between meeting your support caster and fucking her?

>>52528338
>Implying I went after /wst/

Anon I'm pissed about that shit being taken away too. Doesn't change the fact that most of these threads should have been posted to /d/ where they belong

>>52528365

He's pure! Pure like GOLD!

>>52528332

Why does she need a daddy? She's 18 years old and surrounded by a network of friends and acquaintances, she doesn't NEED a father figure anymore.

>>52528393
Negative five.

>>52528393
3 Character Development Arcs

>>52528393

Assuming you start a relationship and she's interested? I'd give it three weeks.

>>52528409
>She's 18 years old and surrounded by a network of friends and acquaintances, she doesn't NEED a father figure anymore.
That's what all teenagers think, they ALL think they're ready for the world...

>>52528393
As much time as it takes for you to cast Charm Person

>>52528393
You go caveman on that

>>52528424

How many arcs is Onryou/Seht on right now? Rory/Aurora? Casimir/Valeriya?

>>52528332
Reminder that there is someone who saw everyone born in Sandpoint grow up and knows just what they need

>>52528390
Would you like any other folders?

>>52528447
Rory/Aurora is on -1

>>52527208
i don't even fucking like pathfinder but the first post and this sentence reeled me in.

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>>52528281
Have you considered that the Fire Nation were the good guys though

>>52528451
Nah not really
I'm the 140k pictures folder guy.

>>52528436

Onryou is ready for the world, anon. If it wasn't for her hideous skin and cunt of a father she'd be married by now - in fact, she might even have a kid.

She spent years on her own with a creepy pervert, she can take care of herself.

>>52528393
How long does it take to develop a support in Fire Emblem? About that long. No, supports like Chrom/Olivia or Renault/Literally Anyone don't count.

>>52528447
I dunno, I haven't really paid attention to the meme games. I lost interest in them when I realized my schedule would prevent me from reliably joining one.
That, and I hate Text Only

>>52528443
>>52528436
>>52528420
>rape her
>rape her with magic
>rape her with time travel

>>52528424
>storytelling nerd

>>52528431
>reasonable nerd


I'm liking this spread.

>>52527608
>SLOTH-SNARE SMOCK
>Aura weak evocation; CL 5th
>Slot shoulders; Price 10150 gp; Weight 5 lb.

This suspiciously comfortable-looking painter's smock is meant to be worn like a mantle or cape, protecting their clothes while performing dirty work. The lining is incredibly soft and light, wicks sweat and deflects staining liquids, while retaining a comfortable body heat. The smock can extrude up to six tendrils which will hold items in place relative to the user, allowing them to have a variety of tools at the ready when crafting or creating art- although they may also be used by the slovenly to carry bottles of drink or trays of food as desired. These tendrils are not dextrous or capable of movement beyond supporting objects with a weight of less than 2lb, and have 3 HP and a hardness of 0 apiece. Damaged and destroyed tendrils regenerate every sunrise and sunset.

The user gets a +2 circumstance bonus to any tasks that require they sit still, such as long-term observation, painting or writing, as well as their Will save to mind-affecting spells that might force them from their sedentary position. At GM discretion, persuasion attempts against slovenly or low-energy NPCs wearing a Sloth Snare Smock may have the DC raised by 1 or 2 points if it would require them to move from a comfortable or relaxing position.

Three times per day the user may extend the tendrils as if casting the Pilfering Hand spell, although they use their normal CMB instead of one derived from their casting attribute and the bonus to perceive this manipulation in opposed checks is +4 instead of +2.

Requirements
>Craft Wondrous Item, Pilfering Hand, Wrathful Mantle, worships a god of craft or homesteading.

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>>52527344

>>52528484

Why can't people here make more Voiced.

WHY
H
Y

>>52528505
I motherfucking hate Voiced.

>>52528505
>talking
>among this autistic group

No thanks

I honestly enjoy text only more too

>>52528505
Voiced only works in person - not even Video is enough, you need to be right next to someone. If you're not in an IRL group, text only is perfecly fine.

>>52528447
In order

>0, Seht is obviously going for Shayliss
>-2, Memedog needs a redemption arc and they need to finish the first part of their quest
>0, they're cute

Etan and Rubio are totally on three though, homolove is great

>>52528447

Onryou/Seht are on "the other girl" arc and Casimir/Valeriya are a hair's width away from having a moment to come clean about their pasts.

So I'd say, 2 for Sehyou and 2.5 for Valimir?

>>52528044
One isn't enough. I'd need a tier list or just fucking marry half of them

>>52528567
An indecisive man is far worse than a cruel one.

>>52528505
Because of retards who can't into using anything other than voice activation so they end up subjecting us to every single fucking bit of ambient noise and conversations, including, but not limited to: fire alarms, dogs going apeshit, wind tunnels, fans so loud nobody can fucking hear anything, cat fights, a backyard pool full of frogs, or someone jacking it and then claiming they had a panic attack.

Fuck you, John.

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>>52528505
Well y'see, too many people on this board are self-conscious about how they sound, are nervous about talking to strangers, aren't able to immerse themselves in dialogue and narration, and/or just can't act or narrate to save their lives. Also, some people have just had a bad experience with voice, and its tainted it for them

I pity the sorry fools.

>>52528522
I game over skype with my group, we all have a good time too. Then again, most of us all really love to talk

>>52528268
SDA?

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>>52527917
What sorts of bonuses would playable races give to the wizard/witch/etc. that puts this on someone?

>>52528630
SDA?

>>52528612

Take me with you, I life conversation but loathe typing it.

>>52527650
Empath isn't really a leader, Ringleader's a mezzer, tactician is boring af, vitalist's a healer, zealot's a striker. I like the highlord, myself.

>>52528652

>Life
>Meant love

Aaaaah!

>>52528505

It's all the downsides of being generally poor voice actors and being stuck to your PC, without the upsides of having a physical space with dice, being able to manage a proper flow of conversation based on contextual physical cues, gestures, or ordering food as a group.

I can't build any sense of immersion from it.

>>52528744
Also, while the resident girl in the group might have a silky voice, you can't actually cuddle her and lie down on her lap.

>>52528790
L O N D O N
O
N
D
O
N

I've caught it

I've caught the VMC disease

Did DHB do this to me?

>>52528825
Sorry man, I'm not one of the two girls in my IRL group
Man aren't childhood friends a great thing?

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>>52528002
>PHANTASMAL BUSTIER
>Aura strong necromancy; CL 9th
>Slot chest; Price 22150 gp; Weight 4 lb.

This corset is made of glossy black leather and ribbed in the bleached hand bones of destroyed humanoid undead, frozen into grasping motions with resins distilled from necromantically puissant substances such as blackblood. A humanoid who dons it will find it too tight, making eating and breathing impossible. After a minute of wearing it they will feel faint and dizzy and quickly lose consciousness. The wearer's spirit becomes partially discorporated from the waist-up, taking the form of an incorporeal undead of appropriate CR animating their comatose body with puppet strings. They temporarily gain the benefits one one power available to ghosts per 3 HD and the simultaneous use of their ghostly and living limbs. The incorporeal set can only wield weapons conjured with magic or enchanted with the Ghost Touch property, but are otherwise completely functional.

The wearer gains standard undead immunities, but becomes vulnerable to some magic that can affect undead. Channeled positive energy deals its full value in nonlethal damage, which will force the character back into their body, while channeled negative energy may fascinate or influence the character as if they were an undead with their full class levels in HD.

Every hour the wearer wears the corset they must pass a Fortitude save at a DC of 16, or receive 1d4 Constitution damage. The difficulty for this save increases cumulatively by 1 for every hour it is worn. Removing the corset will return the wearer to consciousness after 1d4 rounds of being dazed, while forcibly removing it from them will cause them to return to consciousness after 1d4 rounds of being stunned. If the character's physical body is destroyed or their Constitution reaches 0, they are instantly transformed into a ghost.

CRAFTING REQUIREMENTS
>Craft Wondrous Items, Suffocation, Marionette Possession, Bestow Curse

>>52528848
I wouldn't know. None of my friends are cute girls.

1d20+7 Cha (16+2 Race+2 Levels+4 Headband)+10 Ranks+3 (Class Skill)+6 (Skill Focus)+5 (Item)(Enhancement)+5 (Visualization of the Mind)(Untyped)+3 (Inspire Competence)(Competence)+5 (Focused Scrutiny)(Untyped)+4 (Bestow Insight)(Insight)+3 (Thrush Familiar)(Untyped)+1 (Sphinxfriend)(Trait)+1d6 (Inspiration)=Average 66 on Diplomacy.

Why aren't you playing a Magician Bard/Mastermind Investigator who convinces people to kill themselves?

>>52528911
Poor man

>>52528919
Rictor NO!

>>52527917
>>52528486
>>52528855
Delivered.

>>52528631
I imagine they might work the same as Improved Familiars (i.e.: have none).

Otherwise I imagine something like:
>Human, +3 to untrained skill rolls.
>Elf, treat physical consequences of aging as 1 rank lower than normal.
>Half-Elf, +3 to Diplomacy checks to improve the disposition of an elf or human.
>Half-Orc, +3 to Intimidate checks to demoralize a human or orc.
>Gnome, +3 to Knowledge rolls, involving obscure and amusing facts only.
>Halfling, +4 to Craft (Cooking)
>Dhamphir, +1d8 healing per day for damage caused by blood loss.

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>>52528919
Because no matter how charismatic someone might be, if their idea is stupid, it's probably going to sound stupid

>>52528521

Yeah, it's a bit weird.

On the other hand, how was your weekend?

>>52528946
One of my GMs seems to be in a bad way, but on the other hand, another game seems to be shaping up pretty well.

Probably going to need to beef up the mooks though.

>>52528825

What precisely does this mean, exactly?

>>52528919
because its not a fun or entertaining idea, its just dumb

Fuck yourself.

>>52527758
Collective veil sharing could be neat, because the Warlord archetype that does so feels kind of crap and tacked on.

>>52528958
Apparently some thirsty dude on...I wanna say /fit/? He started asking some girl if she lived in London because he thought she was hot.

>>52528945
Yeah but anon, this is really fat charisma.
>>52528959
All right, CG necromancer it is.

>>52528974
>>52528958
The full meme is 'please be in London'.

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>>52528979
>CG necromancer

>>52528993
Nah fuck off, Paizo can eat shit with their hurr necromancers are always evil bullshit
I can't even play a Chaotic Good wraith or lich or something.

>>52528974
>>52528991

Ah. Thank you.

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>>52529006

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>>52529019
Look here bitch I MADE half of these images, don't you shitpost with them against me.

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>>52529052

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>>52528946
Goin' alright I suppose. Just waiting on a few updates and hopefully we can finally wrap up the story arc we're in this week; we're at the final boss fight and our Gunslinger was just yanked into a Psychic duel with the crazy Lich who seeks to resurrect a mighty vampire lord.

>>52529066
Why in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost would a Lich want to resurrect a vampire, presumably not even under his own control?

>>52529006
No, fuck you, it's because undead are horribly fucking evil. Do we need to give the 'why undead are evil even if you use them for good' speech again?


Hint:it has nothing to do with "hurr durr it traps souls"

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>>52529095
WHAT DO YOU NOT GET ABOUT

>>52529095
And I don't give a shit about your ridiculous notion that negative energy is inherently evil. If you make yourself a Lich to become powerful enough to avert a war and save millions of lives, SURELY the amount of negative energy it took to sustain you is MORE than balanced out.

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>>52529115

>>52529095
They're not evil, they're unnatural and dangerous, which is hardly the same thing considering stuff like Jelly Cubes are dangerous too and so are Spheres yet neither are Evil.

>>52529066

Sounds pretty rad. Best of luck to you all.

>>52529129
Technically speaking, arcane magic in general is unnatural and dangerous.

>>52529146
No sense of right and wrong yada yada

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>>52529088
Because the vampire was her lord before Karrnath eventually managed to take him down. She was his most devout follower to his rule and she'd been hellbent on trying to restore him and his power. Bitch is nuts, what more do I need to say?

>>52529134
Many thank! It's fun n' all, but these cliffhangers are really starting to wear.

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>>52528942
No comments?

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>>52528926
It's terrible. I just want to meet someone that likes me, you know? But I'm too strange in the inside. I can superficially talk to lots of people and be really friendly and helpful, but once they pierce through the social shell, I'm pretty bonkers.


Also, what are the best witch feats?

>>52529115
Negative energy ALSO has nothing to do with it. Fucking off yourself.

Since Franze is now Blingmaker's official eugenicist, apparently: What would she have to say about Kyras x Milre?

>>52529205
Well Smol Tieflings don't get a penalty to Str from size...

>>52529168
So what
The vampire is Voldemort? The lich is a girl who wanted Voldy's daddy dick and decided she was going to go undead to bring him back? Don't liches get racial bonuses to WIS and INT, how is she so insane?

>>52529173
Not much to comment on, beyond them all being useless.

>>52529191
Explain then, 'cause there's no explanation. The last time we had a '''discussion''' about it someone attempted to argue that negative energy was entropy or some shit.

>>52528500
Sauce?

>>52529222

Isn't it just Bad Times Juice that kills people and turns them into wights?

>>52529222
>Explain then, 'cause there's no explanation. The last time we had a '''discussion''' about it someone attempted to argue that negative energy was entropy or some shit.
In golarion there is actually a in canon speech an academic gives on the subject of why undead are an inherently evil concept.

I'll summarize it.

The idea is of an "all predator" scenario and how it is an inherently selfish concept. Undead, if left to their own device, will attempt to attack and destroy the living. Most will not move to find the living and simply say/wander, but when encountering a living being they will attempt to destroy them. This instinctual desire to destroy all life, not for consumption which is neutral but due to a simple desire to destroy is evil and represents and inherently selfish scenario and end game. If left to their own device undead will create for themselves, eventually, an all predator scenario where all living creatures have been destroyed by undead, leaving them by themselves.

Even if you, a necromancer, enforces your will on the undead and controls them it does not change this scenario or the inherent nature of undead. This is no different than if a wizard is to bind and force a demon to do good. Though you can use them for good you are creating inherently selfish beings.

What's more it is not because of a conscious effort to be selfish and destructive, like a daemon, but an inherent instinctual part of their being.

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What can change the nature of a skeleton?

>>52529222
Lots of shit kinda went tits-up when Blood of Vol made the pact with Karrnath during the first quarter of the Last War; insanity and corruption of all kinda is kind of a side-effect. And one of this Vampires major domain had been over the undead; so changes are she'd been cracked since his rise to power. And the 85 years since his slaying and scattering of his remains likely hadn't aided her psyche either, especially if she'd been trying to put him back together again and failing all that time.

And yes, the kingdom had attempted the destruction of his remains. Things didn't go according to plan.

>>52529325
The animating force. If you animate it via animate objects, it is not an undead, just animated bones!

>>52529344
That's it.

It's the Flyclops solution.

Instead of animating bones with negative energy, animate them with punch from the punch dimension. Isn't there an elemental demiplane of Force?

They'll just want to MOVE like fucking crazy.

>>52529299
>What's more it is not because of a conscious effort to be selfish and destructive, like a daemon, but an inherent instinctual part of their being.
Which...is literally not fucking Evil. If it's instinctive, it can't be Evil, because they have literally no capacity for moral behavior. That's the goddamn problem. A bear has no alignment not because it's 'natural' or 'kills only for consumption', but because it literally has no capacity for moral thought. It doesn't understand good or evil, hence it cannot be good or evil.

>not for consumption which is neutral
>but due to a simple desire to destroy which is evil
...yeah except...like...here's the thing - they have no desire to destroy the undead. They destroy the living because life is diametrically opposed to what they represent, unlife. This has nothing to do with evil or selfishness. In fact - they can't be selfish because shit like zombies literally cannot think, they're, quote the bestiary, "unthinking automatons, and can do little more than follow orders". How do you accuse what amounts to a robot with default code of 'kill shit' of being 'selfish' or 'evil'? It's dangerous.
And when we move to actual sentient undead, well, if they are sentient then they must by definition be aware of their actions, which therefore implies that they are able to decide 'yeah no I'm just not going to kill these guys, there's no point to it'. Liches and Ghosts are willing to negotiate with adventurers if they think they have something to gain, but that's a Neutral action - not Evil.
Daemons are Evil because they're sentient and doing evil actions while knowing full well what they're doing is evil, yet doing something like gating in an LE Efreeti doesn't make you Evil.

>>52529395
...

You seem to be forgetting that objective good and evil exist in pathfinder

Why are undead evil?

Because they are objectively evil according to the game.

>>52529395
To tell the truth, it's mostly because necromancer players are generally insufferable.

>>52529395
By pathfinder's rules are are simply incorrect. It doesn't take one to be mindful to be evil. They are an inherent selfish/destructive at their core.

One doesn't need moral thought to be evil.

Unless you're telling me institutionally attempting to destroy all life is neutral.

Because in pathfinder it isn't, it's evil.

>>52529415
This, every person who has 'le good necromancer meme' is an insufferable bitch.

>>52529413
Which is hardly a counter to "Paizo can eat shit with their hurr necromancers are always evil bullshit, I can't even play a Chaotic Good wraith or lich or something."
In fact I'm not sure it even makes sense - objective good and evil key in on actions and intentions.

>>52529425
Institutionally attempting to destroy all life is Evil...if you know that's what you're doing. A completely mindless automaton can't be anything but TN because it's, well, fucking mindless. I mean this is clean from the rulebook, page 166:
>Animals and other creatures incapable of moral action are neutral. Even deadly vipers and tigers that eat people are neutral because they lack the capacity for morally right or wrong behavior. Dogs may be obedient and cats free-spirited, but they do not have the moral capacity to be truly lawful or chaotic.
>and other creatures incapable of moral action ... are neutral because they lack the capacity for morally right or wrong behaviour
Unless you mean to tell me a robot has capacity for morally right or wrong behaviour...

>>52529462
No, you can't pay a CG lich, because undead are always evil.

Fuck off Steve, this is why nobody likes you.

>>52529470
That's not an argument, especially because Liches are sentient the entire process through the ritual and therefore can literally have made themselves a lich solely for the purpose of being able to help others more effectively. Doing ANYTHING for no reason other than helping others is Good.

>>52529462
Then why are zombies NE?

>>52529445
The stupid corpse and bone puns are bad enough, but the victim complex is too much

Man, speaking of creating creatures, are there any creature templates like that painting one that let you make construct versions of a creature at a relatively reasonable price? I forgot what the painting one was, tromp'quil or something? I remember 2hu creaming their shorts over it, but it wasn't quite what I'm after, since my PC isn't much of a painter.
>tfw I could be trying to break the game, but instead I'm just trying to make staff for another PC's mansion

>>52529491
That's my fucking question, the rulebook and the canonical lit contradict each other. I could buy something like 'wraiths are by definition twisted by hatred' or something, forcing them to be Evil or else they wouldn't have formed. But zombies? They're Mindless.

>>52529482
>its not an argument

Yes it is. Undead are always evil.

Those are the rules Steve. Stop whining about them.

>>52529503
In 3.5 liches had Good templates and also there were neutral/good lich NPCs

Paizo is probably just wrong.

>>52529462
I'm telling you that capacity for moral thought is in no way required to be evil. Shit man how are you not getting this?

>>52529506
I'm questioning the logic behind those rules, and you can always houserule if you're not running in Golarion. The rules even contradict themselves - if we allow that all sentient undead are magically forced into evilness, why can robots be evil ONLY if they're undead?

>>52529512
Didn't Wizards have to retract those?

>>52529516
Don't believe that anything like the Baelnorn or the good templates in Liber Mortis were ever retracted.

>>52529516
You know what Steve, fuck it. We're done. Find another table to play at.

>>52529500
Trompe L'oeil, means "Trick the Eye."
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/trompe-l-oeil-cr-1/
2hu likes it because it's mispriced as 100 gp per HD as opposed to 1000 gp per HD.

>>52529515
And I just fucking quoted you the exact passage where the rulebook tells you word for word that if you lack the capacity for moral thought you are automatically TN, ergo you need to be able to recognize good and evil to be Evil.

>>52529525
I'm not playing at your table.

>>52529531
Damn right you're not.

>>52529516
>I'm questioning the logic behind those rules, and you can always houserule if you're not running in Golarion. The rules even contradict themselves - if we allow that all sentient undead are magically forced into evilness, why can robots be evil ONLY if they're undead?
The thing is a construct has no base action, it only has the action that its creator gave it.

Without the control of its creator an undead will attempt to destroy all life.

That is why a construct is neutral and an undead is not.

Vermin, another mindless creature type, is neutral in much the same way animals are.

A construct left to its own devices will do nothing. An undead left to its own devices will attempt to destroy all life.

If I may interject, aren't certain creatures that are, by nature, evil, and can change themselves to a Good alignment still able to count as Evil due to their nature before the alignment shift?

>>52529498
"I'm being oppressed abloo abloo abloo, I just want to clog the game up with a shit ton of minions, thats fun."

>>52529539
Oozes left to their own devices will attempt to eat literally everything it finds, but oozes are Neutral.

>>52529531
>And I just fucking quoted you the exact passage where the rulebook tells you word for word that if you lack the capacity for moral thought you are automatically TN, ergo you need to be able to recognize good and evil to be Evil.
Except that's not what it says at all. It says that things capable of moral ACTION not moral THOUGHT.

Moral action and thought are not the same thing.

Shit can you not even read what you posted?

>>52529551
In a consumption based scenario much in the same way animals and vemin do. Oozes do not systematically attempt to destroy all life.

Consumption is not a moral action. Attempting to destroy all life due to an instinctual desire to destroy all life is a moral action.

>>52529545
And when you offer them cheap golems that NOBODY will find offensive, they just get mad that they can't make fucking terrible jokes.

>b-but I wanna be a skellington

>>52529542
if they have the evil subtype they would still count as evil

I think this applies to the succubus waifu in WotR

Shit wait does anyone have the poop succubus?

>>52529545
I don't even play necros, I'm just questioning why the rulebook is contradicting itself.

>>52529556
There's literally no difference though. If a viper eats kills someone it's not Evil even if it wasn't for food. You can't have capacity for moral action if you don't even know what morality IS.

>>52529568
How so? Morality requires sentience by its very definition, for morality is literally recognized by the sentient. I can program a Construct to kill fucking everything and it would be the same thing, yet the construct is not Evil, merely dangerous.

>>52529516
Here's the problem: Undead are created with a power that makes them evil because it's very unpleasant stuff. Negative Energy isn't "always evil" in Paizo stuff but it might as well be - It hungers for life in a way that tends to lead towards mindless evil, especially when you replace soulstuff with it and use it to animate corpses.

Now, is it possible that a Necromancer could raise undead and force them to do good things? Yes. Just like an Enchanter could use Dominate Person and force an evil living person to do good things. However, that doesn't make them good - Once they're done being ordered around, or if they break that bond, they go right back to being mindless life-eating monsters, or back into being a lawyer in the latter's case.

This is pretty clear in the rules, and it's why using abilities like Raise Dead are evil acts and evil spells. Golems aren't evil because they aren't possessed with a faux-soul made of Negative Energy (usually) and are more puppeted, with very little will to them. If you make a golem and leave it alone, it'll probably just sit there. If you make a zombie and leave it alone, it's going to try to find and eat people.

>>52529579
...The what?

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>>52529609
The Poop Succubus.

I want her statblock.

>>52529579
>>52529609
>succubus waifu
Spoilers, but there's a redeemed succubus who you meet long about part 3

>poop succubus
It's actually an ooze demon that thinks it's a succubus and puts on airs.

>>52529605
Okay, but then why are mindless undead themselves evil? I can buy 'okay you just made a golem that kills everything' being evil, and I can buy turning yourself undead somehow twisting your mind into being evil, since it's magic and wizards. But the mindless being evil simply doesn't make sense. You can't be evil if you don't comprehend evil or what you're even doing. The entire POINT of evil is that you're conciously causing harm to people just selfish reasons.

>>52529624
Yeah thats the WotR succubus waifu I was referring now

And the Fulsome Queen is WotR too, right?

>>52529589
>There's literally no difference though. If a viper eats kills someone it's not Evil even if it wasn't for food. You can't have capacity for moral action if you don't even know what morality IS.
Except you can, because undead do.

>How so? Morality requires sentience by its very definition, for morality is literally recognized by the sentient. I can program a Construct to kill fucking everything and it would be the same thing, yet the construct is not Evil, merely dangerous.
That's you, the creator's, moral action. With undead both you and the undead are guilty of an immoral action. You guilty of creating it and it guilty of destroying things if let loose.

The construct does not take any moral action if not for the creator's behest.

Shit nigga are you too dumb to get this?

>>52529621
>>52529624
>WHAT DID YOU CALL ME?!
>Oh, h-he didn't mean it, my Queen!
>Yeah, it was just a slip of the tongue!
>I AM NOT A SHIT DEMON!
>'Course you're not, you're a succubus!
>Y-yeah, a really stinky one!
>SILENCE!

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Guys how do I make a good villain? Where is the tipping point between Super Hitler and boring nobody?

>>52529640
>it guilty of destroying things if let loose
But that's like saying a storm is evil because it caused damage or that the 2nd Law is evil because that one literally systemically destroys things. They have no will. They have no capacity for reflection or thought. They literally don't know what they're doing.

>>52529634
Yup. Trucking along through "mythic crusades an shit" and suddenly a wild Dogma reference appears.

>>52529632
>The entire POINT of evil is that you're conciously causing harm to people just selfish reasons.
Except it isn't. The point is moral action. You're literally just trying to redefine alignment. That's fine for your own setting but we're talking about golarion.

A construct is incapable of taking moral action unless given outside input, the input of the creator, and thus you have taken the moral action.

With undead both the creator and the undead are taking moral action. You for creating an inherently selfish being. It for attempting to destroy all life. An undead needs no input from its creator to attempt to destroy all life.

With an animal no moral action exists, there is no one up the chain that takes a moral action in the 'consumption' scenario. Self defense, eating to survive, etc. are not moral actions. Similarly with oozes and vermin.

I just want to talk about waifus not necromancy

>>52529632
Because what's replacing their souls is a small shard/window to the dark firmament that empowers evil gods, demons, devils, etc?

>>52529655
For one a storm is not a creature and thus can't have an inherent alignment. Two no moral action is occurs when a storm happens.

>>52529653
The point you want to be at is where your villain is smart or human enough to be the protagonist of their own story (and where you can communicate this to your players).

Die Hard's a good example. Hans is basically the main character of an alternate plotline that keeps intersecting with John McClane's plotline. He's still an evil asshole, but he's got some charm, he gets some fun lines, and he's got an agenda and a good head on his shoulders. You don't groan when he's on screen, but neither do you really want him to win--you just like seeing the wheels turn in his head. and watching his plan unfold.

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>>52529670
Which two Blingmaker apps would make for the cutest yuri pairing?

>>52529676
>The point you want to be at is where your villain is smart or human enough to be the protagonist of their own story (and where you can communicate this to your players).
I disagree. Heck this own thread had characters that wouldn't be the protagonists in their own story and are simply amoral monsters. Falafel is an example.

>>52529666
But what is moral action? Moral action is not the same as action. Selfishness requires conciousness, for it is defined as placing the Self over the Other. Mindless things DON'T HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL SELF, they cannot be Selfish by definition because they are incapable of placing themselves above anything.

>>52529674
>the Negative Plane powers evil gods
What? Last I checked a SoA works fine on succubi.

>>52529653
The most important part about a villain is challenging the heroes. He needs to be a credible threat, but he also can't be too strong, or else he's not a challenge to be defeated, he's something to be avoided. Yes, this can work if the heroes are gaining strength to defeat him, but in that case he has to be static, otherwise it's a game of catch up rather than a goal to be reached. Power level is a factor but you also have to consider the personal level. He has to challenge /them/ specifically, he has to hit at their weaknesses. Are they selfless do-gooders? Have him use that against them. Make them give up everything. Leave them no choice but selfishness. And not only that, but he has to be directly in conflict with the heroes. There can be no hope of peaceful resolution, no divided end. They want to save the kingdom? He won't rest until every field is salted and every house is burnt.

>>52529688
Seska and Anna--jock girls and nerd girls make the best lesbo ships.

>>52529688
Franze and Franze

>>52529701
>But what is moral action? Moral action is not the same as action. Selfishness requires conciousness, for it is defined as placing the Self over the Other. Mindless things DON'T HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL SELF, they cannot be Selfish by definition because they are incapable of placing themselves above anything.
The moral action is the attempted destruction of all life for no purpose other than destroying all life.

Literally in pathfinder that is a moral action, an evil one, one all mindless undead are guilty of.

>>52529701
>What? Last I checked a SoA works fine on succubi.
It also works on a great deal of things that also use Negative Energy. What of it?

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>>52529653
>Super Hitler
>Tfw I tried making one of my villains into Super Hitler (mom) and one of the PCs still tried to waifu her.

>>52529696
I disagree with that last point, because while Falafel was an interesting idea, but he doesn't really work as anything more than a monster of the week. There's nothing in the app that tells me he'd make a good long-term villain unless he had some development and changed his philosophy a little.

>>52529721
So viruses are evil?

>>52529724
Well I mean
So does Energy Drain, doesn't it?

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>>52529657
true terror

>>52529731
>So viruses are evil?
Viruses are not creatures and thus have no alignment or in a narrow scope of magic objects.

>>52529729
Villains don't need to change to be interesting if you're not presented with all of them from the beginning. You forget Falafel from the outside is a kind and caring man and a commander that cares for his subordinates. The arc is discovering the depths of his weird despair and need to destroy legacies.

He doesn't change, the player's understanding of him does.

>>52529754
>viruses are not creatures
Hypothetically make it a creature and give them an alignment.

>>52529770
We're into the territory of homebrew and now outside the scope of how alignment works in golarion, so it doesn't have a purpose in this argument.

>>52529729
>>52529696
>>52529769
I'm still sad we'll never get to see Falafel agonizing over destroying one of Shizuka's paintings or not

>>52529791
Then I must simply disagree that destruction is a moral action if done by something mindless because at this point the only reason a hurricane isn't Chaotic Evil is because it isn't in the bestiary.

>>52529805
>Then I must simply disagree that destruction is a moral action if done by something mindless because at this point the only reason a hurricane isn't Chaotic Evil is because it isn't in the bestiary.
If one were to give viruses a moral alignment then one has to consider what they do and why. They are attempting to replicate. Consumption for the purpose of procreation is not a moral action, as shown by animals.

A storm has no alignment because it is not even a creature, no more than a stone a man trips over to fall off a cliff has an alignment.

By golarion's terms of what constitutes a moral action you're still simply wrong.

>>52529829
>they are attempting to replicate
They're not attempting to do ANYTHING, because, as a reminder, they are well and truly MINDLESS. Viruses don't 'want' to do anything. Zombies don't 'want' to do anything. They simply do it because that's all their shoddy programming can manage. A virus cares no more about reproducing than an oxygen atom cares about filling its valence shell, it simply happens because the element is highly electronegative.

>>52529792
I'm sad we never got to see Falafel write scathing reviews of popular fiction he read in an attempt to humiliate the authors.

>>52529871
they might not CONSCIOUSLY DESIRE to do it, but they're built in such a way that they can engage in quite sophisticated behaviours in pursuit of that simple goal

you scua faglord

>>52529871
>They're not attempting to do ANYTHING, because, as a reminder, they are well and truly MINDLESS.
Mindlessness doesn't mean anything in terms of morality. Viruses replicate by taking on the actions that they are meant to do.

You keep equating morality with sapience. Which has no connection in golarion. It has a connection to moral action.

Because Viruses take on action with the end goal of replication (because that's what they do) they are not taking a moral action in the same way animals do not.

Undead have no such goal. If zombies acted like hollywood zombies and 'turned' people then they would be neutral and that was the goal behind undead. Unfortunately it isn't, the goal is just destruction.

What's the best build for blowing my enemies and myself up using spells?

>>52529908
Probably some Spheres autism, mr caster of peace.

>>52529908
Gillman sorcerer, Riverfolk racial trait for fire vulnerability, Red Dragon/Primal Fire crossblooded, blood havoc. Fireball yourself.

>>52529901
But the definition of the word morality literally implies sapience.

>by taking on the actions
But by this logic gamma rays and free radicals are evil because they end up harming things for basically no reason.

>>52529892
They don't "engage" in action though, physical laws simply cause their interactions whether or not they give a shit about it - they don't.

>>52529908
I build an alchemist based on "ULTIMATE TERRORISM". You're a Clone Master alchemist into Brewkeeper so you can use Maximize Detonates on yourself.

At high level you can do the following:
>Standard Action (drink an extract)
>Free Action (using the alchemist extract that lets you use one stored extract as a free action)
>Move action (drink an extract created using your brewkeeper class features)
>No action x2 (your tumor familiar stabs you with needle gloves and injects two more)
Only two of these are maximized. So you're looking at 30d8+160 damage.

You're gonna vaporize your body, which is why you're a clone master.

>we've evolved from discussion of morality on 4chan to discussion of morality in a world where it basically doesn't exist
'kay
In other news, does anyone else think that there should be a higher tier (8th, maybe) Dimension Door as a swift action so you can *Teleports Behind You*?

>>52529949
>But the definition of the word morality literally implies sapience.
And moral thought != moral action. Also you're using a definition that implies people have to decide anything. You need to remember that good and evil are physical forces that can be quantified.

No one has to think that the outer planes have a certain alignment, they simply do.

The normal definition of morality means nothing in an objectivist universe.

>>52529956
Fucking genius
>>52529942
This is good too.

>>52529976

That's what the dimensional agility feats are for aren't they?

Say, what is the usual way to deal with immediate action teleporting mofos if you are a martial character and you dont have teammates to make them use up their immediates?

>>52529994
Teleport behind them again

>>52529999
That's a lot of 9's, also isn't there a gif of two guys teleporting behind each other a bajillion times to get the upper hand?

>>52530028
That one's an edit.

>>52530034
Oh really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZZcUdIdAt0

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>>52530034
I'm pretty sure this is from the post-episode comedy skits from Bleach.

>tfw had a boss for a party of level 14s who was literally just a 11th level caster...with SLA at will immediate action Dimension Door, and Grease, at will free action Hostile Juxtaposition, at will Fireball / Damnation Stride / Flaming Sphere, and constant Blur / Greater Mirror Image.
Oh man my players hated me for that one.

>>52530085
Oh that one yeah. They're not teleporting though, just moving really fucking fast.

>>52530102
>teleporting
>moving really fucking fast
Tomayto, tomahto...

>>52530109
One of them gets shut down by Dimensional Anchor.

>>52530109
Really isn't. Teleportation doesn't touch the area between.

>>52530109
If you built a wall around a guy moving really fast he theoretically can't get out. Meanwhile it's really not an issue to a teleporter.

>>52530121
>>52530117
Okay, in Pathfinder, yes--but at no point does that distinction ever come up in anime, is my point.

>>52530131
I mean, it comes up when there's an actual difference between the two. In Bleach there is no such thing as teleporting besides maybe Butterflyzen. In Index, there's actually a difference - teleporting (shotacon and Kuroko) can telefrag, while moving really fast (Acqua of the Back) only looks like you're teleporting. There's another bunch (Almighty Thor, One-Eye Othinus) who don't move at all but simply revolve the entire Earth and universe respectively around themselves until they're where they want to be, but that's a whole nother power.

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>>52527610
>>52527487

I just realized that I never actually posted the sheet I claimed I finished, my bad. Actually, why not post all of the ones I've made thus far? I'll list who is who as well, not that it's not obvious.

Sanji (finally finished)- https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1047768
Luffy- https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1165072
Zoro (possibly my most mixed result IMO, without the maneuvers he wouldn't be nearly as strong but with them he's a beast of a man)- https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1158134
Brook- https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1150615
I made two sheets for Chopper, one before all of his big boosts and one for after:
https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1155781
https://www.myth-weavers.com/sheet.html#id=1157207

I just redid the Sanji sheet tonight after the sheetpocapylpe from earlier this year, and I just finished Luffy last night. Let me know if there's anything you think I should change to make it more accurate to the characters.

>>52530233
>Sanji
>20 Wis
Nigger what the man would miss a goddamn Titan if Nami had her tits out.

>>52530131
>>52530163
Hell, even in Dragon Ball Z it's a different technique to move at superspeed and to teleport, so much so that when Goku learns how to teleport they call the episode "Goku's Special Technique."

>>52530292
Which is stupid as fuck mind you because they can move faster than the speed of light
I honestly am slightly miffed at how easily anime characters break light speed, authors treat it almost like the sound barrier.

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>>52529250
Hen na Joshi Kousei Amaguri Senko

Main girl shown here.

>>52530117
While the other gets shut down by entanglement and grappling

>>52530332
Well yeah

>>52530314
Depends. DBZ goes extra-dimensional for FTL travel, they're stepping out into a "Warp Dimension" and then back in somewhere else.

>>52530343
But that's not moving faster than light, which is the problem. That's like wormholes, which aren't FTL. Neither are warp drives. The only thing that's actually FTL is Hyperspace which doesn't even make sense.

>>52530353
Uh, no, hyperspace is truncating the trip in ways similar to wormholes but generally without the necessity of 'jump points'.

Warp drives are FTL: Warp actually contracts space so that one's effective velocity exceeds light in the space outside the field. The result is actual, linear movement between two points, at - from an outside frame of reference - superluminal velocities.

>>52530402
Warp isn't FTL though, because you're not actually moving superluminally, it's just that the space itself is smolified.
What the fuck is Hyperspace anyway? I never understood it. Is it like moving through the interior of a box instead of around it?

>>52530434
I think this should answer any questions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIQKVITyaMI

>that one player in the group who purposely makes cheese builds just to get the DM to ban it

>>52528855
>become a ghost for 22150 gp

That's a pretty good deal.

>>52530434
The shrunken space is still moved through. You may as well be claiming that cars aren't really going faster than horses because it's just making wheels spin and thus incapable of galloping.

Your "wheels" in this case compress space within your own frame of reference while also pushing you along, allowing you to cross greater distances per unit of time.

The difference is that Wormholes might be crossed at subluminal speeds; they're just a shortcut between two points, while Hyperspace is a shortcut through an alternate dimension (a good example would be traveling through the nether in minecraft, with tearing down the portals at both ends when you're done so you can rebuild another pair next time).

>>52530510
Warp is legitmately moving at subluminal speeds though. I mean it's kind of fucky but just because you have two things moving at .9 c each on top of each other does NOT mean the top one is moving at 1.8c.

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>>52530510
Warp works more like you folding up paper, drawing a short line, then unfolding the paper. Yeah it LOOKS like you covered more, but you didn't because it wasn't that long when you crossed it.

>>52530434
Say you're moving at the surface of a box. This box is your universe, and you can travel all over it.

>Wormhole
There's a little drinking straw linking two opposite sides: If you go through it you're at the other side, for a majority of longer trips you get there a lot faster than if you'd gone across the entire surface the whole way.

>Jump Drive
There are marks on the box. These marks come in sets. Using a jump drive teleports you to the matching mark. Usually they're in pairs.

Hyperspace: You can simply (usually harmlessly) phase right through the box and come out at or near your destination you may have some safety distances to avoid coming out inside something else at the surface; these may be known and avoided dynamically or may require knowing about it ahead of time lest bad bad shit happens, depending on the system.

New thread with new playtest:

>>52530638
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>>52530548
No that's wormholes.

You're not AVOIDING any of the intervening 'paper': you're crossing all of it, but you compressed the road - not folded it, simply made what 1km is a fuckton shorter.

When you measure the distance travelled over time - aka your speed - you have in fact travelled significantly faster than light.

A wormhole on the other hand, any light that goes through that wormhole came out ahead of you: You took a shortcut, so you both got there earlier than if you'd used the main road, but the distance crossed was shorter.

>>52530641
You have to be stopped.

>>52530648
Fine let's try another analogy - it's as if you're flying to London from New York and going to drive to Scotland after, but you magically move Britain into the middle of the atlantic and then start moving it back after you've landed. The entire point is that you have NOT travelled faster than light, because that is impossible. Travelling 3 00 001 km in a second is not possible...but travelling 100 000 km in a second that you then expand to 3 00 001 is.