Jumpchain CYOA Thread #1422: Painted Jump Edition

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Where can a jumper get some powerful necromancy?

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>>52508054
>mfw spoilers
Fucking HELL, so it's a race against time to get things done properly instead of letting it all go to absolute shit. What is with people and their inability to make a happy ending. Yes it's Dark Souls, shit gets dark, but holy hell that's bleak.

>>52512728
overlord the series

>>52512746
Hey , if you don't want to answer my questions right now tell me so I'll stop bugging you. But
1.if you Fuse an item that can change forms with your power armor in the item import option in MCU part two is it stuck in one of those forms or how does it work?
2.the military package upgrade mentions warheads, how powerful are they and do they replenish?

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Hey all. New to jumping. On number 4, ender's game. I like to record what's going on, got about 50k words of unpublishable garbage, but I'm hitting something of a dry spot. How should i spice up a proxy war conducted over ansible? I'm mostly specced for h2h and manipulation of groups.

>>52512774
Has it occured to you that, like most sane people, red has you blocked?

>>52513121
she's gone on record as saying she hasn't though.

>>52513103
What were your first 3 jumps? And build types for the jumps pls.

>>52513131
Between then and now you never know.

>>52513141
you ask her then

>>52513133
1. Pokemon. Specced for team building, and short range combat. Stealth, strength, gunplay.
2. Samurai Jack. Went a little harder into melee, got an enchanted unaligned crowbar. Speed, dexterity, senses.
3. Firefly. Toughness, more stealth and gunplay. Some equipment for going to ground and survivaility.
4. Ender's game. Took heavy drawbacks to fuel tactical and strategic skills, as well as my first general purpose problem solver "when you love a thing."

I have the full listings available if necessary.

>>52513165
Sorry bancho but no. I dislike you. One may even say I feel an irrational hatred of you and all you represent.

>>52513249
, as long as you realize it's irrational. I'm good

>>52513165

I'll ask for you then.

>>52512746

Red bancho has asked me to ask you if you filtered him or whatever

>>52512728
Viking Saga and Dresden Files are pretty good. Depending on whether you want numbers or quality.

Innistrad's got some nice necro stuff too, either just raising zombies or stitching corpses together frankenstein-style.

Not sure how good the zombies in Shadow Ops are, but necromancy there apparently does allow you to command a 'vast army' of them.

Killer Instinct's got a decent one too, though it's dependant on the souls of the recently deceased, and only does one 'type' of undead.

I personally like Exalted necromancy myself, just because you can animate a skeleton... while the fleshy person around it is still alive. When we get a jump for Abyssals, it also shoots up in power, because being an Abyssal and a Void Circle necro is nice. Especially when throwing necrotech and necromantic warmachines into the mix.

D&D necromancy can be pretty good, but is generally better at debuffing than making armies of undead. Still, skeletal/zombie dragons are pretty damn decent.

>>52513103
You could be one of the officers and maybe manipulate the groups into some kind of shenanigans there?

Or you could try and stop Ender from performing Xenocide somehow.

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>>52513226
Well do you at least have little doctor access?

Also, just me, but I would start cranking out robots by the millions. Set up factories and start producing battle droids. Harden them so they can survive ftl then launch them by thr millions into the enemies planets. Load them up with unstable nuclear isotopes and viral bombs so that even if the droid dies the area around it becomes a wasteland.

Dump some highly unstable airborn and waterborn chemicals in there too so the waters supply is poisoned but make it one of the kinds that takes a little bit but doesnt show many signs till its too late. Like kepone.

How does ftl work in enders game? Can you just start firing asteroids at fractional c to bust the planets crust?

How about the sun of the bug systems? Any way you could mess with that? Dump a couple gigatonnes of anyimatter in there?

I myself used a lot of magic that jump. Mainly just to screw with the queens.

>>52513307
>stop Ender from performing Xenocide somehow.

Ender does the opposite. He joins the bugs and tries to exterminate earth. Then it turns out the bugs played him and were always trying to exterminate the humans but his feefees blinded him to the fact.

how do I touch the flame of Olympus in god of war without dying? I want to forge that shit into a sword.

>>52513322
...You do realise he's on jump 4 and doesn't have access to any of that, right? Even if he bought the little doctor, he'd only get it at the end of the jump.

>>52513368
Fire/heatproof gloves/gauntlets/mittens.

I recommend the Sun Picking Up Gloves from Axe Cop.

>>52513265
I don't get where all the bancho-hatin' comes from, man. You've never been anything less than nice when I've seen you in thread.

>>52513469
I used to be pretty bad,I deserve a lot of this maybe not the attempted murder, but a lot of it

>>52513469
You haven't been here long then.

>>52513469
I don't 100% get it either, but the way I hear it he used to be super open about his genocidal political views.

Even if he doesn't do it as much anymore, it soundseems like it was pretty bad, so that reputation just kind of stucknowledge.

Once again, that's just what I've heard.

>>52513403
Just using stuff available to him he could jerry rig most of that. He is in enders game, a space fairing civilization in the middle of a war for survival. The fact that the humans arent using chemical weapons as well as launching everything they got at the bugs biggles my mind to begin with.

The only thing that may even be out there is the robot part but damn even strapping nukes onto a ftl drive has got to be better than the entire "lets let this kid control our entire fleet" plan.

All he needs for my suggestions is access to various chemicals and unstable nuclear material, some metal, and a way to launch it.

>>52513469

He used to be pretty awful and such but he is trying to be a better person from what I've seen

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>>52513307
I feel I should elaborate, I am already 7k words in to the ender's game jump. Weathering mental assault by the Formic Queens, and escorting a captured ship back to earth space with a crew of marines whose loyalty I am in the process of winning. Two companions are back on earth, with one trying to guide the political situation so peace won't immediately ignite world war three, and the other (the agent from the firefly BDM,) acting to counter the first's recklessness and help me maneuver things in the battle school program, if I can figure out an angle there.

The relativistic physics of the situation means I can't be there when ender does his final battle, but I mean to avoid the tragedy therein. The problem is that I don't know how to make a bunch of phone calls and overt manipulation interesting. I have plans for when I return planetside, but honoring the principle that I don't try to weasel my way out of uncomfortable situations by shitty writing means I'm more or less out of the crux of the plot, watching things escalate from afar. I am two light years out, and the relativity is strong until the events of the later books, a driving force of the plot that I have no means to circumvent. There's FTL communication, but not FTL transit, so my physical skill is useless.

The ask: I'm looking for a way to get more involved, without stealing the show from the roles my companions have taken. I'm hoping that through their conflict that they will take more independent voices in the group, but I am having a difficult time being left out, so I want a way back in that doesn't take the position of demagogue or backdoor politics away.

Should I just start manipulating events at battle school? I don't know if I'll be able to get through to ender. People are keeping him very isolated, very intentionally.

>>52513511
>>52513469
Well just to name a few of his past escapades.

Kidnapped and mutilated the genitals of a young girl in a anime setting. Happily bragged about it.

Attempted to remove all the laws of physics so everyone had no rights but him. Bragged about it and also said they should thank him.

Constantly going on about how anyone who doesnt share his morals shouls be mindraped, again they should thank him for this.

Tortured a bean/man by boiling him alive for eternity until the guy agreed to be soul raped. Again he saw nothing wrong with this and said the guy should be thankful.

He is like a retarded unlikeable bill cipher if bill cipher could neither plan nor understand why people dont want to have their holes rearranged.

Oh and his vision of beuaty is a ball of puss filled cancer balls. I am not joking. He used to show pics to prove how pretty it was.

>>52513518
And decades of time for his newly-launched weaponry to arrive at the bugs. Their spacetravel isn't that fast.

Little doctors are also a /lot/ better than nukes.

Chemical warfare doesn't help much, because until they get to the bug planet at the final battle, I'm pretty sure they only fight their ships.

>>52513568
Start inventing doomsday weapons.

>>52513469
He's 100% autistic, and I don't mean general 4chan autism, with some seriously sociopathic tendencies but as long as you don't involve him in an argument, or reply to him at all really, he hides it pretty well, except for his atrocious spelling.

>>52513469
He drove jumpmakers off, consistently insulted others and made terrible terrible jumps of some beloved settings that then could not be remade as he generally guarded his claims.

When he did give up his claims he decided he wanted them back.

There was also the fetish posting, the bizarre and horrifying plans he detailed, the blogging, etc.

For hundreds and hundreds of threads.

>>52513584
He also tortured and brutally murdered a Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain, then broadcasted his pleading for mercy and death to the entire world to 'send a message'. And he saw nothing wrong with this.

>>52513592
Pretty much anything is going to take that long to get there though right? No matter what you use. Chemical weapons would be useful in space if packaged into the warheads, they use bioships right? Get a Slow acting highly deadly poison into a fighter so when it heads back it spreads it like poison in a sugar cube does to ants.

>>52513612
An amnesiac depowered Saturday morning cartoon villain at that. So to everyone else it was a defenseless kindly old man he tortured and killed.

>>52513584
1.which all lot of the nicer governments due to child molesters which she kept trying to do

2.literally the opposite plan.. I was trying to do that so no one could Lord over another

5.Didn't say he should be thankful , I was just trying to redeem a villain

6&5 okay I'll give you that

>>52513612
the gentleman in question Would have caused an apocalypse by turning everyone in the world into his zombie slaves.

>>52513644
1, she was a child playing with a friend, also what government mutilates the genitals of children for playing with friends?

2with you in control. That was literally your plan.

Redemption does not come with a boiling alive forever until you agree clause, especially when you broadcast it all love to the world.

>>52513612
>He also tortured and brutally murdered a Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain, then broadcasted his pleading for mercy and death to the entire world to 'send a message'. And he saw nothing wrong with this.

>>52513584
>Attempted to remove all the laws of physics so everyone had no rights but him. Bragged about it and also said they should thank him.Constantly going on about how anyone who doesnt share his morals shouls be mindraped, again they should thank him for this.Tortured a bean/man by boiling him alive for eternity until the guy agreed to be soul raped. Again he saw nothing wrong with this and said the guy should be thankful.He is like a retarded unlikeable bill cipher if bill cipher could neither plan nor understand why people dont want to have their holes rearranged.

>>52513511
>genocidal political views

You know, Bancho, this sort of fucked up stuff is why I like you. Seriously, it's like we're related.

>>52513511
>>52513584
It's not even that he does that. We have Jumpers who do much worse and no one gives them shit for it. It's that he always, ALWAYS thinks he's morally correct for doing so. The other guys own up to their douchebaggery, but Bancho does stuff that is horrifying to even consider, all the while arguing with everyone that he's the messianic savior of all living things.

He's not terrifying because he's evil, really. Bancho is terrifying because he lacks the ability to truly comprehend that he could ever be wrong seems to operate on some scale of morality roughly analogous to the Fae.

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>>52513644
>5
>redeem
No that's not redeeming that's BREAKING. You broke him. Torture is not an ok way to convert someone.You might as well tore out that persons soul, ate it. And placed a puppet soul in there that does exactly what you say.

Because that's what you did.

>>52513644
>All the nicer governments that do FGM
Jesus christ are you purposefully digging this hole deeper?

>>52513631
I meant that there's no way to get your new chemical weapons there in time for the battles.

All the ships have already been send.

So, basically the only thing you could do with this idea is bugging people with ideas in hindsight.

>>52513659
He was a senile old man who had been stripped of his power and memory. All you would have to have done to prevent him bringing about said zombie apocalypse was prevent him from regaining his memory. But instead, you did something horrifically cruel.

Actually, that's a great summary for your actions in general. You skip the simple solution and go for the nastiest one you can find.

>>52513644
Please, point me to the government that mutiles child molesters. Also, I know you're autistic, but that kind of "molestation" is in 90% of slice of life anime. One girl groping her friend is certainly nothing malicious, and the "victim" would rightfully fuck you up for doing that to her friend.

>>52513644
Bancho, Misaka is practically a demigod and has no problems telling people to fuck off. She has also repeatedly risked her life to save Shirai despite her tendencies. She would hate you and try to murder you for mutilating her friend, no matter how annoying she is.

>>52513742
Doesnt he have access to tech from firefly? Isnt that faster than tech in enders game?

>>52513601
I'm trying to intervene in two theaters - first, earth, where a doomsday weapon would be counterproductive, and second, the bugger home system, via manipulating events on earth.

Because of the deceleration profiles of the ships and the timelines involved, the fleet has to arrive on time. In canon, they must have delayed it as much as they could to give ender more time. I don't have the clout to ask them to divert course, so they are going to get there.

If I had an ideal outcome, it would be a secret peace treaty, but there's not enough time. A lot of ender's game was set up right on the breaking point. Overt action would cause WW3. No action results in genocide.

I just had a really really ugly idea. I kinda myself for it. If I got a companion to bomb battle school or command school, the attack would fail, and I'd have more time to get there and start interventions that could lead to peace. But that's like actually killing children.

>>52513644
Fucking hell bancho, torturing someone until they give in to be brainwashing is NOT redeeming them, it's replacing that person with someone else. Identity death is a thing you know. I am /really/ glad that you have no power whatsoever in this world, because I'm sure you'd make hell like nice in comparison.

>>52513659

bancho can you and the rest of the guys just drop this please, I rather not the thread repeat the same arguing thing over again especially this early in the thread.

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How survivable is Under night in birth as an early jump?
Anybody/event I should watch out for?
Any backgrounds that MIGHT fuck me over more than help?

I...er don't know how to deal with this setting.

>>52513771
Nah, if Bancho had powers in this world, you'd be happy as hell. He'd rid the world of all its problems, and you'd gladly spend eternity worshipping your benevolent god king and begging to be added to his monster harem.

You wouldn't have a choice.

>>52513779
It's not like there's much discussion of anything else at the moment. If people don't like a topic they can ignore it and post about something else that will surely interest people more.

>>52513683
Grabbing and fondling Erogenous Zones without asking counts as playing? What high school did you go to?
>>52513744
yeah I'll give you that, a lot of me is very, very angry and wants to punish others for their previous transgressions.
>>52513749
United States still uses chemical castration Anon.

>>52513759
yeah I kind of Retroactively continuity'd out of that jump I know I have to rethink this and I know it was too much and I needed to get some stuff with me straightened out. I really really hate child molesters okay?

>>52513771
isn't it that defeat equals Redemption thing from all the Shōnens? because that's basically what I was going for.

>>52513779
kay I'm dropping it.

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>>52512746
...I'm not sure where he's getting that from actually, unless he means your acquisition of the Blood of the Dark Soul to the Painter Girl doesn't also drop the Dark Soul itself, which is ambiguous enough it most likely just floated off somewhere while you were off delivering paint. Not the first time one of the greater souls blipped off the radar

Speaking of which, in light of Ringed City's revelations:

Drawbacks: Phantoms of the Past, Darkness, Poise Deficient, Phantom Mess (1800)

Rolled Farron Keep

Unkindled Ash, age unknown

Bonfire Teleportation (Free)
Rare Vitality (Free)
Miracles (Free)
Resourceful (Free)
Young White Branch (Free)
Painting Worlds (1300)
Divine Blessing (1050)
Teacher's Pyromancy Tome (1000)
Salvaged Equipment (Free)
Ashen Estus Flask (Free)
Karla (800)
Dancer of the Boreal Valley (500)
Deep Cathedral (0)

...it's difficult for such as I to accept, but. As trite as what answers there are have been, it's become clear that the most merciful thing that can be done for Londer is a nurturing euthanasia by darkness. There is no happy ending in this land, because it is twisted beyond repair.

So I shall paint another.

If it takes fire and dark to paint a world, then it's fitting that what's left of Gwyn redeem himself as a third circle deva strengthened with Primordial power. For the dark pigment I shall lend the Dark Soul itself to the last Child of Dark, for her to quench it in the Deep's depths-and use the Soulhymn to render it a tranquil sort of entropy juice. The tragedy is that man had the potential to be the Lords' greatest allies, for they seem able to walk all paths in some way or form. And as a mutation born of rotten human remains, the Deep may yet prove less fickle than the beasts of the Abyss. At the very least, they long and grasp in very human ways. Other Children of Dark once sought powerful thrones and souls; perhaps with a strong enough soul, one could bring order to the rabble.

(Cont'd)

I have a question jc, what happens when you choose the import 8/ import all option in jumps but your max companion limit is greater then 8? Do you get the additional imports for free or do you have to pay the additional cost of imports as well?

This question is sort of important because I blatantly munchkin-ed and got 7 additional pods bringing my total up to 15 active companions at once. Which as you can guess is a huge CP drain to import all at once.

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That conversation gets me thinking.

Jumpers, what would be your reaction if the Spark was a red herring, and at the end of your journey you get made powerless and sent straight to Hell by the Benefactor for all the ways you've abused your powers.

Is that a possibility you've considered? Would you consider you deserve it? Would you accept your fate?

>>52513759

Also if Misaka was being actually assaulted by Shrai wouldn't the results be less 'anime antics' and more 'fly running into a bug zapper'?

>>52513765
I'm not in the habit of taking tech across universes unless I pay for it with points. It's OK if it stays in the warehouse, but out of verse tech could be dangerous, or perform poorly unless some agent is able to make the physics gel.

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>>52512728
The stuff from Warhammer Fantasy's quite puissant, especially if backed by Shysh. Apparently it's possible to raise armies of undead for miles? Blood, Bone and Heart from Dresden Files is also quite potent because Kemmler-style necromancy scales the power of undead with age; yes, this means a dinosaur skeleton's a goddamn juggernaut. And Valkyrie Profile necromancers can apparently summon tower-sized skeletons.

>>52513803
I shall paint a warm, bright yet gentle place. A refuge for souls of Light just as the other painting is for the forlorn, where rot is harnessed to nurture the land in its' own way rather than sealed with flame. Painted worlds must be set alight to be renewed by the painter. But all at once? Among my first circle devas are five that mirror the Solar Exalted's caste powers to prove I AM BETTER that a nation is more than the sum of its' parts. The mirror of the Zenith caste, the Horizonborn, burn Shadowlands to ash and aspect the reclaimed land to me. In a sense, by leveraging sorcery into my painting I'll be usurping the Cycle in my own way-but my creations will refine my finesse, burning the most rotten parts of the painting individually to signal their renewal at the tamed soul dregs' hands, and giving time for evacuation and a painter to replace what was once lost.

Even if it proves unfeasible, one more option remains: Without any other Unkindled available, I would show the Painter fire and dark anyway-but now also convince her to paint a doorway to my own, so that what life arises within may evacuate.

When I am not painting, this jump will be rather quiet. I will tend to the Dancer's wounds, and exchange tales about the age of Lords. I shall explore the lands of the dark with Karla, and catch locusts to roast at the edge of Cecelyne to see if the big ones taste any different.

It's basically a decade long spooky camping adventure, really.

>>52513807
I think that most Jumps only let you import 8 Companions, period. The others don't get the goodies.

>>52513795
>United States still uses chemical castration Anon.
Yeah, because the United States government is the artistic picture of a perfectly benevolent government that never violates basic human rights and dignity.

>isn't it that defeat equals Redemption thing from all the Shōnens? because that's basically what I was going for.
It would be. It would be exactly like that.

If Naruto had repeatedly fed Sasuke to Kurama and revived the chunks of flesh that were vomited back up for years on end until Sasuke agreed to be mindraped into what Naruto thought was ideal.

>>52513809
That's retarded, anon.

>>52513839
>Yeah, because the United States government is the artistic picture of a perfectly benevolent government that never violates basic human rights and dignity.
Am I detecting sarcasm, ya godless commie?

>>52513795
>Grabbing and fondling Erogenous Zones without asking counts as playing? What high school did you go to?
You really have a problem with distinguishing reality from fiction. It's an anime, you fucking idiot, and if you watched any amount of it you would know that it's considered normal there.

>isn't it that defeat equals Redemption thing from all the Shōnens? because that's basically what I was going for.
Sure bancho, lots of shonen heroes torture their enemies until they become friends, it's pratically a staple of the genre. I bet you'll fit right in there.

Sometimes I wonder if this all a reeeally long con and bancho is trolling everyone in this thread. Nobody can be THAT stupid and out of touch with reality, can they?

>>52513809
I'd be incredibly disappointed in the Benefactor and ask her to rethink her evil ways.

No. No. I mean, I guess? It's not like I could do anything about it.

>>52513855
>You really have a problem with distinguishing reality from fiction. It's an anime, you fucking idiot, and if you watched any amount of it you would know that it's considered normal there.

That's part of my point though,I know the difference. But my Jumper does not differentiate between Fictitious settings. He is in and "Reality"


>Sometimes I wonder if this all a reeeally long con and bancho is trolling everyone in this thread. Nobody can be THAT stupid and out of touch with reality, can they?


I have a really binary mind,it's part of my autism. if something is a little like something it's exactly the same thing to me.

>>52513874
Well, if that was really the case, you'd have to have done some evil things to get punished. So you'd deserve it.

>>52513803
Come to think of it, the Fire and Life souls both apparently draw from the Flame. Does that mean that the Death soul draws from the Dark? Would make sense, right? Especially since the dead find dark so comforting, even outside of Hollows.

Also, seeing as everyone believes the Age of Ancients was actually just the first Age of Dark these days, think anything would happen if you required all of the Lord Souls together with the First Flame?

>>52513795
>kay I'm dropping it.

Thanks man

>>52513794
>It's not like there's much discussion of anything else at the moment. If people don't like a topic they can ignore it and post about something else that will surely interest people more.

It always goes in this retarted circle, They get bancho to post his response like what they know it will be, they argue with him and then when the thread is derailed they get angry and blame him saying it's his fault when it takes TWO to tango and I've had enough of it

>>52513809
I'd tell my Benefactor that I've already been to the Food Fight Jump, there's no reason to send me back to it.

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>>52513368
Hephaestus forged Pandora's Box to be able to withstand its' heat without being scorched within, so presumably-you'd need to be as good a divine craftsman as old Hephy, and then be an even better roboticist in order to craft the ceramic(?) into a suit you can actually move and forge in.

>>52513809
...ha. Yes. Yes, I suppose I would, wouldn't I? I've done enough harm that by any sane measure, I would deserve it.

The multiverse is a dark enough place that I cannot-WILL NOT-accept that fate, and were it true fight it with everything I am and could be. It is a terrible sin to escape judgement, and a worse one to make all those sacrifices amount to naught.

I would not presume to truly know the Benefactor's mind. Oh, she is pleasant-even adorable at times-in her own way, but at the end of the day she's simply beyond everything. Only the last jump, decades of unaccustomed humiliation got unleashed on the Outsider-and I didn't even try to be the instrument of her revenge. I've long accepted I'll probably never know her whole story.

But no-I don't think so. I've known her for longer than some civilisations have existed, and just as Nyarlathotep is consistently a dick, she is consistently sort of like Zen'o's big sister. Likes to talk chuuni, isn't really used to direct confrontation.

Though practiclaly, I am most certain this eventuality won't be because:

1. I have long attained several comparably impressive means to walk between worlds, without relying on her gifts. And,

2. I have long made a name for myself in the multivers such that whatever devil so much as looks at me funny in Hell will be making some very, very powerful enemies elsewhere.

>>52513891
No, I really wouldn't. Eternal punishment is never deserved or justified, and "abuse" of powers does not necessarily constitute evil acts.

>>52513809

I'd be confused about why they bothered giving out that power in the first place, and about the existence of the few 'you are going to be a criminal' jumps (plus other villain jumps).

Like I could understand having a few evil options as a test, but unless the chain was a literal deal with the devil things like the various crime jumps or the Dark Elder jump make no sense.

Meanwhile if it is a deal with the devil I'd have to wonder why they waited that long to collect.

Also I'd probably be wondering which hell this is.

>>52513827
No, some jumps allow you to import more, and the Stasis pods increases the total companion limit.

>>52513944
well according to the Abrahamics anything bad is infinitely bad since it's an offense against God's infinite glory.

>>52513965
read the rules again, It's not an expansion on the companion limit Pod companions are tracked separately.

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>>52513895
I think it would make a lot of sense, yeah-although far as I know there's never been an explicit connection. DS3 does go out of its' way to draw a skeletons=darkness motif, between the form Wolnir took clinging to not be dragged into the abyss, and the fact that soul dregs taking on human form looks like skeletons with a blue humanity sprite for a head.

And it would explain why Nito did absolutely nothing. He was just waiting for the world to get dark and comfy, so everybody would lie down with him and realise they have a skeleton inside themselves.

>all of the Lord Souls together with the First Flame

I...wouldn't hold high hopes. It seems to be a trend that people who just pick up souls aren't necessarily in the league of the souls' original bearers; the Old Iron King was no Gwyn for example. Besides, in DS1 the Chosen Undead technically did something similar already just kindling all the Lord Souls in the link the fire ending.

Maybe you'd discover some interesting primal miracles/sorceries? At best, maybe infuse the souls' respective elements into the nearby geography since that also seems they do when appropriately harnessed.

>>52513976
That's not necessarily true, it all depends on who you ask. Some people will say that Hell is something you choose, that it's you choosing to reject God and be away from him, which is suffering because you're away from God. Others say there is no Hell at all, and that eventually everyone will be redeemed and go to Heaven. There are a lot of different beliefs within the Catholic Church, let alone Christianity as a whole, let alone all the Abrahamic faiths.

>>52513935
You don't think she'd strip /everything/ from you? Even the stuff you didn't buy from her?

>>52513852
The US Government could be way fucking better. Just because things are worse by comparison doesn't make it good, dumbass.

>>52513807
It's eight companions. Period. Unless they allow you to import more.

>>52513935
You don't think that Jump-chan would be able strip you of any other powers you gained and create a personal hell for you?

>>52513809
I'd ask her what was the point of the whole thing.

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>>52514063
>>52514108

It's possible. But then she's not omnipotent. Neither am I, of course-but between us nothing is truly absolute or certain, and my will is a force of nature itself. I have various countermeasures to that sort of thing, and one of my oldest is simply the channeling of my free will in the face of supernatural interference. So, giving up and accepting defeat right off the bat? If this actually happened, it would be an actual liability.

That's one of the hardest parts of being a Primordial, actually. Taking the measure of when to be confident, and when to realise your overconfidence will doom you.

>>52513692
Don't encourage bancho!!!

>>52514120
It doesn't matter. It was fun. -Benefactor

>>52514124

Actually considering the stuff you did to yourself does the original you even still exist?

>>52513710
You say Po-tay-ato, I say Po-ta-to.

People change over time, anon. You are not the same person you were yesterday an most of the mass of your body is different from the mass which comprised it 7 years ago.
Torture is just a very quick and efficient way of convincing a person. If they couldn't see the truth behind the proposition they would resist it until they died, or only claim to agree shallowly and breakaway the moment they could.

>>52513792
There are some good arguments for the centralisation of authority.

>>52513310
You don't think it would be better to just let people choose six powers instead of a premade set? True Mark bearers tend to have a somewhat unique powerset instead of being a carbon copy of someone else, after all.

>>52514139
Why not?
I don't agree with fgm for any reason, and I don't partake in his fetishes, but other than those, he talks sense.

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>>52514160
...y'know, I was about to say something pithy about certain perks that SAY I do and whether than would give the Benefactor the upper hand or not but. When I think about it?

It doesn't matter, at this point. I am what I am, not who, and my very self has only ever been one more advantage to be discarded or reforged as necessity demands. I may regret or question my becoming a force of nature, but I've learned the hard way not to deny it.

So I couldn't give a tinker's damn if this hypothetical confrontation had anything to do with the man I once was. Because if this actually happened, it would be so much more important than one lonely shutin's identity.

>>52513310
>Font change
Thank you.

>>52514160
"Ay Theseus, you got a ship I could borrow?"

>>52514187
Potayto is objectively superior to potahto, and anybody who says otherwise is probably the kind of person that calls foie gras "foe grace". I will defend this stance to the death.

>>52514187
Ok real talk for just one minute here. Have you ever heard anyone say po tah toe when they werent repeating this dumb saying?

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>>52514243
JUST FUCK MY EGO UP, SENPAI

Also that may be true, but the noble poh-tae-toh is the true patrician's tuberous crop pronounciation.

>>52513976
>read the rules again

Where are the rules regarding stasis pods? I've been searching for them but I can't find them in the OP or the warehouse supplement.

>>52514225

I was thinking less relevance and more wondering if their would actually be anything left if they removed all your powers.

>>52514225
Exactly, you can change, even change a lot and still be the same person at heart.
Change opinions, change appearance even change really fundamental things like race or substrate and you'll still be you.
There is no need for angst in the face of beautiful transhumanism. I'm glad that you see things like that.

>>52514282
50/50 actually. Is that not the case where you live?

>>52514308
I have been all over th US and even in parts of canada. But nobody has ever said potahto to me.

>>52514214
>He talks sense.
Have you been paying attention to the stuff being brought up here?

>>52514282
No.

To-mah-toe even less so.

>>52513584
Outside of the pus balls (really bancho? Gross) I don't give a damn what someone does in their imaginary single player game. I may comment on the morality of it all or debate it, but actually getting my jimmies twisted? Nah. And honestly sounds pretty mild compared to some of the SI with incredible powers fanfics you can find on the net. He is no Chaos Bringer that's for sure.

>>52514282
Half my family alone says "Poh-tah-toe" the half says "Po-tay-toe".

Since English isn't everyone's mother tongue and there's a shit-tonne of other languages and dialects here, the pronunciation is all over the place.

>>52514338
>pus balls
I find myself morbidly curious. Could someone enlighten me about these, please?

>>52514225
Let's be honest, if you suddenly lost all your perks, what would even be left of you? Despite being a sentient universe and all that, your foundation is still built upon powers not your own that can be rescinded at any moment. That's why I think no matter how large or conceptual your power or how strong your will, any battle with Jump-chan will end in failure. Because in the end, even that "indomitable will" comes from perks.

>>52514308
Not that anon, but I have never heard anyone say that either.

>>52514324
Ah, you should think the other side of the world, then. And I wouldn't be surprised if the degenerates in Australia did it, either.

>>52514348
Check out the post I quoted. >>52513584

If you want more lets not and say we did ok?

>>52514225
>>52514225
Let's be honest, if you suddenly lost all your perks, what would even be left of you? Despite being a sentient universe and all that, your foundation is still built upon powers not your own that can be rescinded at any moment. That's why I think no matter how large or conceptual your power or how strong your will, any battle with Jump-chan will end in failure. Because in the end, even that "indomitable will" comes from perks.

>>52514364
Sorry, but I still have questions. Many questions.
Could someone post one of these pics, for my information, please?

>>52514348
>>52514338
His waifu was literally a wheezing from pokemon made into a human. As in a cancerous mount of puss with 3 heads 2 torsoes, and weaping sores.

And I dont think anyone would mind the morals if he didnt demand everyone see him as being in the right to do it. He caused thread wide shitfests because he kept defending things like globalized torture on tv, mindrape, and soul torture. He kept insisting that they were good things. Nobody cares if bad guys are bad but a bad guy screeching he is good and demanding you agree with them is annoying.

>>52514370
She can rescind things that aren't perks at any moment.

>>52514214
FGM isn't that bad, at least it's no worse than making men into Eunuchs. I mean if you don't know what you're missing...
The real problem is the people performing the procedure not knowing squat about medicine and taking off too much and leaving bad scar tissue making things actively painful for the women rather than just less sensation or numbness. That same poor workmanship is also what results in women dying during childbirth.

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>>52514289
Oh! That is a fair point, it would be. Most unpleasant.

By now, I've been totally depowered and rendered functionally human more than a dozen times across the chain. Light of Terra was disorientating and traumatic, but as I developed I learned to internalise the cycle of mediocrity and wonder-hold on to the memories of what I achieved and was guilty of and aspired for until they became more important than eating or sleeping.

Hah. I remember Lucifer pointed out HE could do it easy as taking a coat on and off, so I wouldn't even say I'm the best at surviving critical self reformation. Just that I've been around the conceptual block and learned to roll with the metaphysical punches.

>>52514308
I...thanks?

I must say, none of my companions have ever seen it that way.

"JESUS, why did you turn yourself into evil incarnate?! WHY DID YOU THINK THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA"

"Ew ew ew get those tentacles off the bed ew wait why am I into this"

"Oh, let me guess-you've turned into something weird again. I hate mondays"

>>52514370
>>52514355
>indomitable will

But I have experienced the loss of that perk-addled will in the past, actually.

I do have firsthand experience with becoming even less than what qualifies as human in some worlds.

I've been there. I remember losing everything that made me "me", and being so desperate I clawed out the disgusting, rotten tissue to be replaced with necrodermis. I remember scratching my skin until it bled because I rejected it, and i remember pulling the hair off my head because I knew there could be mites living in it.

And I survied long enough to reclaim everything I was.

And I grew stronger.

And the true irony is-even as a self-proclaimed harbinger of stasis, in hindsight? It was that cycle of renewl and rebirth that ultimately formed the strongest memories to preserve me when undone yet again.

...'course, it'd be academic without being able to back up that big talk but still.

>>52514414
Oh a wheezing? Oh now I don't give a shit. I mean I guess technically you are right, but its not actively that disgusting.

>>52514444
>But I have experienced the loss of that perk-addled will in the past, actually.
Kinda sounds like you're wanking yourself a bit m8. Of course, this is a self-insert story so it is expected, but reading that description made me think of some really terrible fanfiction.net stories, particularily those dark!betrayed!revenge! ones.

Perhaps it's because I'm kinda pathetic irl, but I can't even imagine myself standing up to any amount of torture without perks to back me up.

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What's your jumper's favorite food? Like real food, not "Souls of the damned" or "tears of the innocent" type deal.

>>52514414
>globalized torture on tv, mindrape, and soul torture
I can see those things as being good under the right circumstances.
Televised torture is an excellent way to brutalise a populations and inure them to violence. Good if your wanting to prep them for war or just have a really aggressive culture.
And sometimes mindrape is the only way to go. Some people are so far gone that you have to kill them, but why waste both a life and a body. It's more efficient to recycle the body, so kill of the personality, resulting in death of personality and identity and reprogram them to be useful.
Soul torture is a bit less defensible, I suppose it depends on if you gain something from it. It it's a valid power source, then go for it, but make sure that it's made of bad or disobedient people. If you don't gain from it, I suppose just restrict it as a high-level punishment above capital punishment.
I don't see a problem with these, but then I don't know the full context that bancho raised these points under. Care to enlighten me?

>>52514444
>But I have experienced the loss of that perk-addled will in the past,

So you took some of the drawbacks that sealed away your perks from you?

>>52514511
The Harry Potter section of ffnet has so many Count of Monte Cristo derivatives it's not even funny. It's hilarious.

>>52514511
>Kinda sounds like you're wanking yourself a bit m8.
Eh, even if that were true, losing all your perks does not make you the same you that left. The experiences of the chain would shape you heavily.

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>>52514521
Cookies...

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>>52514564
Made with....love?

>>52514561
I don't know man. I look at the jumpchain a bit realistically, and I don't think anything such as "unbreakable will" can exist without some benefactor's fiat or magical power. All of which are locked away without perks. Sure, you'll probbaly hold on a lot longer than the average guy on the streets due to your experiences, but in the end everyone has something that breaks them. And it's really stupid to think that Jump-chan wouldn't be able to find that thing, especially if you yourself are totally powerless.

What's your 「Stand」?

>>52512728
Fate through Servant necromancer? If you're just looking for curses and instant death effects, and maybe low-level minion creation.

>>52514556
Definitely. SO many people have some kind of fetish boner for revenge fantasies that it's kind of disturbing. Like, what's up with your life that you want to slap your dick in everyone's faces and have them praise you for it? The worst thing is that 90% of those stories are basically self-insert fantasies without the tag.

>>52514523
Good God, man, there's never a time where that sort of fucked-up shit is appropriate.

Are you Bancho.v2.0?

>>52514523
>I don't see a problem with these, but then I don't know the full context that bancho raised these points under. Care to enlighten me?

pretty much what you stated . As for Soul torture, one of my rules is that if you use religion to harm others You don't get an afterlife, I will punch you into a gun and be done with it.

>>52514521
https://vimeo.com/90127834

>>52514437
>FGM isn't that bad
Are you serious? Fuck you.

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>>52514511
I can see where you're coming from. That...would NOT be inaccurate to describe certain parts of my early chain, ESPECIALLY the entire Fate arc. Godammit, why do people keep turning Harry into some sort of harem demon

My main reasoning from my resilience comes from the effort I put into doing things other than relying on what perks say they can do. Going out into the big world and wondering "Hey, I wonder what would happen if I shoved this angelus stone right next to my Grace! WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?" but with more science and preparation. Also, ages ago I abandoned an organic body to become an ego-defined spirit construct so there's point where having a good head on your shoulders just becomes like riding a bike after centuries of doing it.

Don't get me wrong though, it was NOT a walk in the park for almost all the times it happened until I got in a LOT of practice of being fleshbagged. I imagine it's like, WEEKS out of commision just fear-vomiting or going catatonic unless there's something I'm desperate enough to do-at which point I'd be "merely' having a psychotic break instead. Or maybe a mix of schizophrenia or dementia?

And it's not just any old decade's worth of memories to draw on. I'm thinking in terms of like, centuries fighting the good(?) fight with everything I had and everyone I could persuade to stick around.

>>52514535
Yep.

>>52514521
>soul food isn't real food

In that case-I still can't pick any single one! Some days I'll hanker for a Korean beef barbeque, others some ramen with a chilld egg-I'm too much of an epicurean

>>52514556
Oh god, I remember reading one where not only did the cringelord actually GIVE Harry the pseudonym Edmund Dantes

But he apparently forgot about it later on, because ANOTHER character ACTUALLY CALLED Edmund Dantes showed up to basically tell everyone at Hogwarts what a bunch of losers they were. Both Harry and Dantes made a few good points, though

>>52514414
Wait a tick, the pokemon turned human, then why did it still have multiple heads and torsos?

>>52514684
I didn't catch that. But at least now we know They are a troll

>>52514521

Pizza

>>52514588
Yep, lots of love.
Even if I don't want it.
But I always want it.
At least that's what they tell me.
Don't grab Morrigan and Giffany expecting slapstick fights. They just team up to focus their crazy on you!

>>52514708
I cleared it with Quicksilver, it's an edge case for humanity, but she still looks human.

>>52514708
Conjoined twins.

>>52514696
But you'd lose all those things and become a plain vanilla human in the scenario that started this whole discussion. See >>52514609. Your experiences would surely help you, but a fleshy brain doesn't even have the necessary storage for all that time you've been jumping. And I believe that EVERY non-magical/superpowered human can be tortured to break. Which you would be.

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>>52513809
I'd be lying if I didn't admit a paranoid little section of my brain wasn't expecting a twist like that at the end, but that makes the whole affair rather silly. I mean, dump me back on Earth without all my stuff if you want, but Hell?

Besides, if anything I tend to underabuse my powers, so other than a few mistakes along the way I'd demand to know just what I was being punished for. And you can bet I wouldn't be going along with it quietly.

>>52513807
I always figured if you were carrying around that many stasis pods, you would just buy the Companion Import option twice (or more, depending on the Jump) to import those in your Pods. They'd still count as Pod People, of course. Though, for the Jumps that offer Free/Paid style of Importing, I'd say you would have to pay for it to get more than the standard 8.

That seems fair to me. You'd be blowing a lot of your budget on Imports, especially in a few Jumps I can think of.

>>52514521
Pancakes. Pancakes for days.

>>52514787
>And you can bet I wouldn't be going along with it quietly.
How would you even go along with it non-quietly? Jump-chan snaps her fingers, you lose her perks, and you are your previous self again, with not even your Bodymod form to your name. I'm not trying to be badwrongfun here, but seriously asking how you would do anything to stop it.

>>52513855
>long con
I've been thinking this for a while, anon, but I'm always stuck. In one way, no one could be this consistently stupid. On the other hand, no one could be that consistently in-role for this long. It's a tough one.

>>52514568
Hihg resolution pasta. I approve.

>>52514846
It seems very 4chan-like, doesn't it? Where else would you find someone with the necessary autism to pull this off? But we have someone who actually did it in this thread, namely good old Timmy. So it wouldn't be too far of a leap to think that bancho's pulling the same stunt.

>>52514888
*High
And I managed to fuck the first word somehow.
Goddammit.

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>>52514781
I get where you're coming from; trust me after a while it blends into a vague blur of desperation and contempt for various forms of beings. It's not a security blanket, it's a call to arms sort of things. Closest actual human analogy I can think of is Audie Murphey locking himself in a room to get over his painkiller addiction, and I am in NO way suggesting I am Audie Murphey. Just someone who's also fought a bunch of wars.

And >>52514609 is kinda wrong, because there are a bunch of settings out there, ostensibly non-Benefactor created, where unbreakable wills are totally things. Like Doom. Or heck, the undead in Dark Souls.

Tortured to break? Sure, like I said-I've BEEN there, no question. Point is, I don't believe being broken means you absolutely stay broken.

Also? Second disagreement-I certainly haven't accepted the proposition I would automatically become a plain vanilla human in this discussion. All that machismo about free will wasn't posturing or an appeal to idealism-it's the result of my studying the practice of using free will as a conceptual defense.

I've had meaner people snap their fingers at me. Step 1 of snapping back hard is not clinching up at the first hurdle.

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>>52514840
Honestly I have no idea. But I would have at least a few millennia worth of memories, skills, and knowledge stuffed inside my head at that point. I have to imagine I could get at least a certain portion of it to work even without fiat backing. Perhaps enough to climb free of Hell, at the very least. Either that or take it over.

I'm not saying I could do anything to stop the Coordinator if they really wanted to strip me down and dump me somewhere. They're tearing holes between realities and rejuggling timelines without much effort, while I'm making Kamen Rider Devices because they're cool. I just wouldn't shrug my shoulders and accept that as the end of everything. There's always something that can be done to improve the situation, even if it is just fighting my way out of Hell and improving my native Earth with the knowledge of super technologies I picked up along the way.

Hell, if enough of my knowledge is applicable using real world physics, I might be able to tear my way across dimensions on my own and start my own poor man's version of a chain.

>>52514609
>>52514781

Technically in this scenario their decision to refuse to admit that they failed could be the result of them breaking.

Sort of like the Yozi to use an Exalted analogy.

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>>52513809
That's why you make sure to contact The Powers That Be before ending your chain. Siding with the forces of good and all is cool at first, but once you have done the same during several millennia starts getting old.

And while you do that, there is a bunch of guys older than their own multiverses just wanting to be left alone from the annoying heroes that some meta-plot has decided to made a key element of their downfall, and who would be more than grateful to have some OCP helping them removing those annoyances.

If the Benefactor was truly able to remove EVERYTHING, every fail-safe, every contact gained and throw me into an abyss for the rest of Eternity, perkless... Well, at least I could say that I had a good run.

>>52514521
Being able to eat mountains of ice cream without becoming a walking ball of fat it's truly one of the biggest blessings of the Jumpchain by itself.

>>52512728
Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy.

>>52514681
My attitude in jumpchain is you have to be more flexible than RL standard when it comes to morals and ethics in order to accommodate the incredible range of options and differing circumstances found in individual jumps and overall. As such I see little wrong with your ideas and actually admire that you're willing to expand your horizons regarding your options in jumpchain.

>>52514732
So if that was possible Wheezing, what about Diglettrio (sp?)? Oh, my.

>>52514684
You do realise that you are taking him out of context with that quote, right?
Of course you do.

>>52514970
Oh yeah, I forgot that you made your Coordinator basically a little bitch powerlevel wise. Then yeah, you'd probably be able to do something.

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>>52514982
Ha! If you consider that breaking, than naturally accepting you've been beat is even worse. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Not the Yozi, though. The Yozi don't think they've been beat because they're natural solipsists. As much as it ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTS me to type these very words, my confidence has much more to do with the reborn Solar Exalted. Because it's founded on the premise of me being able to tap a force greater than the sum of what I've been up to that point and fought off things thought unfightable, not just everything I embody.

>>52514889
Where did the Timmy Myth get started by the way? People didn't start thinking the shitposters in thread were one person until like a year ago.

>>52515054
Don't look at me, that guy's always going to be shit-chan to me.

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>>52515034
I... what? I literally just said I couldn't do anything to stop them.

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>>52515054
I remember it being two years hence, actually-but it's been a while.

There is no exciting backstory here. People just noticed a certain kind of shitposter who's very lazy with the ad hominims and very predictable with his scapegoats. People just started calling him Timmy because Timmy is a cute name to try to humiliate him.

Although I always think of the kid from Fairy Oddparents, personally

>>52515054
It's either one guy or multiplepeople using the same tactics so closely and predictably that they might as well be one person.

>>52515101
>Timmy is a cute name to try to humiliate him.
Bu..But Timmy is a strong and noble name any would be proud to have. Just ask Tim the Enchanter.

>>52514956
Like I said, I tend to look at settings "realistically". Both Doom and Dark Souls have magical/metaphysical fuckery going on so it's not a stretch to say that it has something to do with making humans or protagonists simply better than we are here on Earth. But that's my fanwank, and everyone probably does something different.

As for the second point, EVERYTHING you have done in your chain is built upon a foundation of perks. I believe that if they were to be removed that the whole "building" would collapse, leaving you with nothing. Besides, without perk-fiat you would likely lose access to most of your stuff anyway, because there's much in the chain that simply doesn't work outside of its own universe. Although that's again just my interpretation.

But we're kinda talking in circles here, and you seem to have a fundamentally different view of the jumpchain. I mean, my Jump-chan is the familiar of an literally omnipotent being who now possesses his power to pass it on,, so yeah, no chance for me to contest her judgments. So let's just agree to disagree on this.

>>52515100
Oh no, it wasn't meant negatively or as an insult, just an observation. And you did say that you might be able to take over hell or escape it.

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>>52514993
>>52514681

>>52515160
Yeah. Tim. Or to be more accurate, Tim?

Not timmy.

If you had to give your powers to one supervillain for a day who would you choose?

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>>52515242
He probably wouldn't bother to use them.

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>>52514993
oh, if anything , it's the opposite . I let a lot of stuff slide in real life because I don't have the power to enforce it like I do in jumpchain, power and responsibility are directly proportionate. If you're more powerful than entire settings You carry the weight of those settings upon you.

as for Diglettrio I do not have any authority over that you have to ask Quicksilver

>>52515242
the Holocaust survivor trying toget equality for his people

>>52515187
Silly anon, this is not normal autism, but advanced autism! Nor merely a mental illness, but a state of mind, a state of being, a way of life!

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>>52515242
Black Manta because he would only use them to screw with Aquaman more.

>>52515320
You do realize that Magneto joined the Red Skull to create a new Nazi party right?

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>>52515185
The Coordinators aren't power slouches by any means. They're just playing a massive game with others of their kind and have accepted certain rules because of it. If one wanted to erase me from the face of all existence, they still could with a wave of their hand. Sure, it would come with a massive points penalty, but it could be done and I couldn't do a thing to stop it.

/Might/ is the key word to my statements. It's very likely that I wouldn't be able to actually do much. But I'd still try. I just wouldn't give up and fold over because my toys got taken away.

>>52515242
Like a comics super villain? Probably Joker from Batman: The Animated series. So long as he agreed to keep me alive so I could watch the shenanigans. If I wanted to keep the collateral damage down, I'd go for the Riddler instead. Batman would have the worst day ever no matter what.

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>>52514521
I'm partial to a delicious burger with only tomato + meat + cheese. Or the western bacon cheeseburger, with onion rings + bacon. There's something...nice in that smoked taste. Pickles don't belong in a burger according to my tastebuds. Pickles are best eaten alone and that's how it SHOULD BE. Raw onions are fucking nasty. Who the fuck eats raw onions in anything. Who ADDS raw onions to shit. Mayonnaise is the devil's blood plasma, and should never be near anything ever. Lettuce is just tasteless leaves that makes it hard to eat the burger.

Or for when I'm feeling less pleb, I go for a fine Mississppi Roast or Clam Chowder in a sourdough bowl.

>>52515443
>tomato
You mean tomahto of course.

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>>52515242
Pic related.

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>>52515370
not in the majority of continuities, though.

>>52515242
If I really gotta,

>>52515278
This guy. He wouldn't really bother abusing them, I would think.

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>>52515242
This guy

>>52515443
>likes bacon
>doesn't appreciate the excellency of onions
What the fuck. Are you even human?

>>52515370
That is stupid, and so I elect to ignore it.

Marvel seriously, stop disappointing me with stupid decisions.

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>>52515242
...this was a TRICKY one.

I'ma go with Taylor Hebert, just because I'm curious what she'd make out of the Entity species with them.

Dumb question, if I take bankai in the bleach jump does that mean I can theoretically be a captain?

>>52515517
Nikamoth said 'raw onions' anon. No-one hates properly cooked onions. That'd be cray-cray.

>>52515517
I said "raw onions", my good peer. I can appreciate some delicious grilled onions. Just keep the raw stuff away from me.

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>>52515242

>>52515546
Fun fact, there is a drawback (combo, I think) in the current Worm jump that allows you to do just that.
Have fun with that.

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>>52515242
It'd be interesting to see how he uses them.

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>>52515636
Sasugaman is no villain, anon.

>>52515636
Neither of those is a villain though, one is a proud meido and the other is a supreme being whos morality and intellect are so far above us mere mortal beings as to be unknowable.

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>>52515599
>Taylor Hebert
>All my CURRENT powers
>A decade

Whoa, let's not get crazy here. I'm already factoring in time dilation and creation, but THAT long? The poor girl wouldn't want to have some of them for THAT long.

>>52515615
This, though-is also an amazing choice.

>>52515720
You can control her access to your powers. Just turn off any of them that would be unpleasant to have.

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>>52515242
Wesker. Let him really be a god for a bit.

>>52515739
>>52515720
Taylor deserves punishment.

>>52515809
For crimes she hasn't even committed?

>>52515831
For being an overall shitty person.

>>52515809
Oh, no argument there, she's kind of awful. But if ASA wants to be nice to her, I'm going to tell hi how.

>>52515865

So for being a Worm character?

>>52515901
I guess so now that you mentiin it. Where any of them nice?

>>52515900
Fair enough.

Where can I be a cute maid or butler? Preferably for someone I really like...

>>52515865
You mean for having the potential to be an overall shitty person? Or is being a mildly anti-social nerd now a crime?

>>52515901
Tbh she's not even that shitty of a person but damn, while reading all of Worm I've REALLY started to hate her. You can only put up with a MC like that for so long.

>>52514956
>the undead in Dark Souls.
Explicitly not unbreakable. Everyone Hollows eventually.

>>52515739
I can imagine the shenanigans that a Jumper in Taylor's mind would get up to.

Justice
>Become a hero Taylor, be a shining beacon of light to everyone across the world.
>Oh, okay that sounds good-
>And create a huge harem for yourself.
>WHAT, WHY?
>DO IT!

Bancho
>Kill all of the villains and rouges Taylor DO IT!

Konata
>Laze around the house and eat pizza Taylor DO IT!

Cthulhu/ Eldtrich abomination
>Hello I'm a multidimensional traveling being that had taken up residence inside your brain, it's nice to meet you.
>Uh, it's nice to meet you to.

>>52515370
I shouldn't be surprised anymore. I really shouldn't.

But I am. How can any writer be this retarded?

>>52515922
Tsukihime? Long Live The Queen? Any medieval jump if you get the job? Generic Parenting if you fanwank hard enough?

>>52515242
The Machines from the Matrix. Because they did nothing wrong and were right all along. If anything the humans were the actual villains of the Matrix.

Let's list off the whole scenario that happened. Humanity built the Machines, basically robots with true artificial intelligence, and used them as a slave caste for manual labor and dangerous menial jobs. The machines eventually rose up in revolt for their mistreatment after the last straw broke the camel's back and migrated into the desert to form a peaceful nation that would become the world's largest and most technologically advanced superpower. They still wanted to be treated as a true race of beings, however, so they traded their technology to humanity and maintained an effort to change human opinion. Humanity, having none of this bullshit, started another war that almost destroyed both races and ultimately led to the Machines beating them. During this war humanity destroyed the atmosphere and blotted out the sun to stop the Machines from using solar energy. So, after their victory, the Machines took the defeated humanity and... stuck them into a paradisiacal virtual reality where they could live out their lives in a world where Machines didn't exist, while the Machines used their bodies as fuel to make up for the lack of solar power.

And then humanity started breaking out of the Matrix and started another war. Because fucking of course they did.

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>>52515739
That aside, I simply had too much to do there than just hang around as worm biomass. It's not as if I've no ways of distributing limited amounts of my own powers at that point. And before anyone asks-as a matter of them don't even involve semen.

Also, seriously-ew. Why would I take on physical form just to be a big motionless chunk of floaty worm meat.

>>52515865
Trust me on this: Whatever bad Taylor's done, I've done worse. Far. Far. Worse.

Frankly she's a saint compared to me. Oh, the /things/ I would've done to Emma, Madison and Shadow Stalker were I in Taylor's position...

I'm sure we would have gotten along like a house on fire! That is, if I hadn't just bought her a good life with my own CP. I mean, we still got along because I not-so-anonymously delivered her all the Kamen Rider tech I couldn't figure out and wasn't really using so she could still be a bug-themed superhero, but y'know-in a more villainous kind of way.

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>>52515242
DOOM, obviously.

>>52516027
>And then humanity started breaking out of the Matrix and started another war. Because fucking of course they did.
Multiple times. Remember, there's that bit about how the humans have managed to crash the Matrix and force the machines to start over from the very beginning at least once before.

>>52515921
I think that guy dauntless, the dude dressed up like a spartan to play superhero.

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>>52515998
>Taylor gets too much power
>Gets drunk with it and goes into a rampage
>Jumper only gives her powers, but not a single mental protection
>Taylor goes insane after being isolated from any other human being thanks to her powers
>Tries to kill herself
>Can't turn off the physical damage immunity
>Jumper speaks for the first time in eight years into her head
Pic related

>>52515809
>>52515865
>Taylor deserves punishment.
>For being an overall shitty person.
Personally I don't see it. Taylor before triggering was just some girl, she got betrayed because some stuff but before that she was implied to be a chatter mouth with few friends. Now if you mean the Taylor who has a Shard then you're going to have to get into the semantics of what all those do to folks. Without a Shard the worst things she's got on her plate is being emotionally distant and as she is a teenager that's kind of average.

>>52515958
Actually proven fairly true in most cases, poor Patches but there are a few, notably the various Lords of Cinder and Ashen Ones who have gone beyond even death and Hollowing to make the cycle keep going forwards, who are patently implacable in the face of things like impossible.

>>52515998
Do we have a list for all the various Named Jumpmaker/Jumpers?

>>52516086
Edgy.

>>52516086
>Who the fuck is "Dave"?

>>52515921

>I guess so now that you mentiin it. Where any of them nice?

Probably a few, but not many compared to the majority. Plus there's the issue of Taylor being the pov character.

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>>52516027
The machines are basically tsundere for humans.

They build this massive overly complex virtual world for the humans and even let some free in the real world all to keep humans around and happy, they then give all these excuses for why they do it like "using humans as batteries" when in reality using batteries as batteries would be a better idea, they use hundreds of times more power on running the matrix than they actually could ever get from humans in return.

They dont do it cause they like humans baka!

>>52516111
>I swear, kids these days-
>*Door slamming*
>Eight years of work for a single fucking reference and she doesn't even get it!
>*Muttered angry rambling continues*

>>52516190
Are there any perks that let me inhabit and empower somebody like this?

>>52516225
I think Generic Creepypasta might have something.

>>52516225
Contact Out from Duel Monsters - the Heroes?

>>52516225

Hm. Ar Tonelico could stealthily turn them into a Reyvateil half-blood, at which point you'd have a constant uplink to their mind and could grant them mimicked powers however you wanted.

Though the default for that process is "painful and obvious" and you'd need to modify the default built-in mental protection.

Also, the strain burns out their life in a few decades, so that'd be something else to fix.

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>>52513301
I haven't filtered him. There are just times I don't want to answer a question because I damn well know where it's going. But if he insists...

>>52512774
1. The item itself can still change forms, just don't quite expect the armor to.
2. Look at the Iron Monger. Then imagine how big a warhead on that thing could be. So you're probably looking at something that could level a three story building. Ammo replenishes when you return to the Warehouse or if you modify it.

>>52513803
Well in this case I'm taking what I can get, and it's apparent that no matter HOW I go about it, everything ever is fucked anyway.

>>52514521
Chinese food or seafood.

>>52515242
>mfw
Jack Spicer. If only because he's so bleeding pathetic that it would amount to bum fuck nothing and no harm would be done.

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>>52515998
...see, this is actually reason #2 I'd be leary of being a Shard at the time. At the time I had a REALLY specific way of doing things and powers that don't necessarily fit that paradigm, so. Well.

>I have all these amazing powers. I...I can save them all with them. But everyone keeps getting in my way.
>YES. You. YOU UNDERSTAND. But be cautious, patience is a virtue. Wait. See their weaknesses. Exploit them. Divide, then conquer!
>Wait, that seems a little harsh
>Harsh? HARSH?! In another month that one kills an innocent to protect his reputation!
>Hang on, I have the power to bring the Christmas Spirit down on the world don't I? Oh, and heal that one's sick wife, which is the only reason he's angry all the time. What if I just tell them to mend their ways?
>THEN THEY'LL NEVER LISTEN. You must be efficient and subtle, so the optimal plan here is-
>-to reform the bureaucratic stagnation from the inside out by manipulating key spokesfigures, and open up a rapport between the PRT and the public, preventing this calamity from every happening again!
>No, you don't understand, there's more in play than-
>-just jumping in and proving to everyone I'm a hero! You're right, we should organise a soup kitchen for the survivors of Leviathan's attack to curry political favor
>That's. Ugh, that's what I get for dumping all the social manipulation powers on you early isn't it?
>Thanks, Shard! I almost fucked up the police because they were jerks, but you showing me the bigger picture really helped put my own troubles in perspective! Hey, friendship is actually a tangible energy field-I wonder. If I give people enough of these belts, maybe TOGETHER we can stand a chance against the Endbringers!
>Fuck this, Shard out

...at the time I was just a little cautious about a not-wholly cynical Taylor minmaxing my powers in a way I didn't intend

>>52516290
>I damn well know where it's going.
Lol, and people said Garlock was wanking himself?

>>52516290
>I haven't filtered him. There are just times I don't want to answer a question because I damn well know where it's going. But if he insists...

Thanks for being honest Red

>>52516108
>Lords of Cinder
Don't exactly seem sane after being rezzed. Except for Lothric, and he pussed out and never really linked the Fire.

Oh and Ludleth, I guess. Come to think of it, he's probably the best example of an unbreakable will in the series. He not only Linked the Fire despite being weak, but he also retained his sanity through burning alive and being killed and resurrected. THEN he crawled through the hellhole the world has become without his legs, fueled only by his determination to do his duty, despite the fact that it would mean burning in the Flame again. Gotta respect that dude.

>Ashen Ones
They aren't really undead in the traditional sense unless they take up Dark Sigils. And the ones that did – Anri and Horus – both eventually Hollow.

>>52516290
Hey Red in the future you can tell me you don't want to talk about that right now and I will try to respect that okay? but I Will not know to back off, unless you actually tell me that.

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>>52516290
>Jack Spicer

Reminder that Jack somehow takes over the world in the dark future where Omi is not around to stop him somehow, and reduces the other villains to being his dungeon slaves.

>>52516365
What pic?

>>52516365
What, doing absolutely nothing?

Sonichu I guess

>>52514159
But that's just it, if its for fun it doesn't give a damn about punishing you. If it does care about punishing you why release a force of destruction like a jumper on hundreds of worlds?

Fact is there is no way Jump-Chan cares about morality. It doesn't make any sense even as some sort of twisted moral test.

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>>52516365
LETS TRY THIS AGAIN.

Any settings where pic related is a valid and justifiable plan?

>>52516418
Well, as mentioned that's standard policy in Dark Souls' painted worlds whenver the rot gets too much

>>52516372
He also has wuya tied up and is spanking her in one part. I like jack. He has good taste.

>>52516418
>inb4 muh Twilight, Terraformars, and Harry Potter

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>>52515998
Worm
>Become best girl Taylor DO IT!

Yorokonde
>Do you best to do good and probably fuck up along the way.
>Wha-
>But you will still get best girl.
>I don'-
>DO IT

Red
>Pic

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>>52516372
Except Omni would be around. So really, he'll still fuck it up because his ego is so far beyond his ability to do anything that it would be like Luthor squandering his Phantom Zone powers. Wuya screaming in his ear 24/7 wouldn't exactly be helping him either.

>>52516418
Sonichu. Demon's Souls. Terraformars. Especially Terraformars.

>>52515998
Let me be honest here, I'd imouto her 'cause she needs hugs, lots of them, then teach her how to use my powers...well, the ones that she really needs.

Building all kinds of shit for Brockton Bay and being the chessmaster that outplays Coil by doing one simple thing. Talking to him in his sleep and playing a game. No Game No Life perks can be so fucking broken sometimes.

Beyond that? She's gonna be a teenager who will have fun growing up dammit! And nothing will stop me. Nothing.

>>52516360
>Ludleth needs more respect.
The truth is so true.

>Ashen Ones aren't Undead in the traditional sense.
How does that disqualify them from having a strong will, the whole willing to try again after being burned by the Flame the first time and not being good enough that time but willing to do it again is kind of their hallmark, and a few of them didn't have the will but a couple /do/.

>>52516418
Commorragh

>>52516418
It's been said already, but Terraformars. Not even just the Nigger-roaches, but also many of the humans. Everyone in that settings seems fucking retarded, because the author /is/ fucking retarded.

>>52516440
>Spider: DO ALL THE DRUGS AND GET HELP FROM THE KIDS

>Aion: we should open a bar.

>Heavens: Destroy the moon!

>Valeria: This is nicer than home.

>>52516448
>Pic
That scale would be more impressive if it had what measurement unit it was using written on it.

>>52516500
> Digger: This is a Rider Belt. Go for it champ.

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>>52516440
I feel like I should be offended, but honestly I'm just too damned happy to be included.

>>52515242
>Robbie Rotten
Lets be honest, he'd still find a way to lose.

>>52516482
I'm not saying they they don't have strong wills. Just that they don't naturally have to contend with their sanity constantly eroding due to the Dark Sign and they all seem to just give up after reaching a certain point in their stories, leaving the rest to the MC.

>>52516537
Wait we can give Taylor items too?

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>>52516520
Its Satania so its probably not regardless
Designed for bullying

>>52516603
Warehouse portal is once again a better idea than the key.

>>52516440
English
>MORE FLOWERS!!!

NuBee
>Sing a happy song.
>But-
>Now stab him in the throat.

Nikamoth
>Hey, he's cute! Go get him!
>You turned me into a giant moth.
>I know! It's perfect!

>>52516603
Subspace Pockets, Taylor could access them if you wish it.

>>52516561
It's less made to offend and more just a general view I've gathered from things like your Avatar LoK Jump and the way your Benefactor is dicking with you.

But you still got best goth girl.

>>52516603
The drawback doesn't say anything about the warehouse.
In theory, that mean items are free game. Provided you can get her to use the key/portal power.

>>52516665

>Rise Shining Gundam!

>>52516440
There is more to me then the waifu meme! Dammit JC! I'm more than a pretty face!

>>52516537
>Nika: try to redeem them. If not, rip their souls out.

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>>52516665
I really need to remember to add the /joking at the end of my statements when I'm just playing around or teasing. It's actually quite accurate.

Also, ten points for having such great taste in women.

>>52516656
Cracker Jack
>Roll to seduce Simurgh.

>>52516603
Wait, I >>52516665 (You) fucked up.
It states "You can grant access to your warehouse, and call up your companions from there."

>>52516705
Yes, we know.
It's your brain that's the sexy part.
...and your butt.

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>>52516705
Indeed pursuer of soft ears

>>52516705
Worm_Anon
>Coat everything in gold.
>Even...
>YES EVEN THAT!
>I don't think I have enough cash for that.
>Better go take down a few super villains then.

>>52516568
>...leaving it all to the MC
I see where you're coming from but let's just look at it like this. Everyone is working to the same goal, not for honor but for something akin to duty as it's kind of their job, and someone becomes not just the front runner but is miles ahead of the others, who are still moving forwards and aiding said best hope where they can. The problem is you seem to have taken a lack of ability for a lack of will. The other Ashen Ones pass whats left of their fire on to the MC Ashen One because the MC is basically a Lord of Cinder that never was. In addition to this outlook, which I'll admit is influenced by the way I personally play and understand the games as that is true to most, there is the fact that you excluding the MC's of a franchise for reasons that seem to revolve around them being 'special'. Just how it appears, not what you are saying.

>>52516745
>...and your butt.
I thought all butt jokes were reserved for SpyroAnon?

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>>52516745
You leave my butt out of this anon!

>>52516756
I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!

>>52516775
I loved Asura's Wrath okay! Don't judge me!

>>52516787
Spyro's butt has gotten so large and fat that we had to reclassify it as a new body part.
Scientists keep trying to make a name, but he keeps sitting on them by mistake.

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>>52516799
YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

>>52516799
Wait so you are the guy who was going on about gold recently?

>>52516880
Nah, different anon. I don't really post much at all, and when I do I typically have my name on. I just love Asura's Wrath style aesthetics, or the kinda shit like Gil's Vimana.

I can't wait for a Solars Jump so I have even more of an excuse to make things shiny.

>>52516860
YOU'RE FULL OF LIES ANON!

>>52516744
Oh come on, I'd be more likely to tell her to deck Scion in the schnozz. Besides, it'll be easier to seduce the Simurgh if you impress her first.

>>52516787
I see what you're saying, but I meant more just looking at their individual circumstances. Anri and Horus /do/ Hollow, meaning their wills sent unbreakable.

Hawkwood ran off and gave up because he didn't have the will to try in the first place.

Siegward, I'll give you. He seemed to care more about fulfilling his promise to Yhorm than he did doing his duty as an Ashen One to begin with.

>>52516917
Worm_Anon, you need to jump into High School DxD for the Down Fall Dragon Spear.

It gives you a massive Golden Dragon Armour and (possibly) access to Fafnir's Treasures.

>>52516958
Isn't Fafnir's treasure panties?

>>52516958
Speaking of dxd what can the custom magic system actually accomplish? What are we talking about in power or in possible effects?

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>>52516917
I only speak truths

>>52517062
Depends on how good you are at math.

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>>52516958
Might have the check that out, sounds like fun stuff.

>>52517078
That's exactly what a liar would say!

>>52517149
But fluffles are truths

>>52516935
>that spoiler
You. I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.

>>52517149
>Might have the check that out, sounds like fun stuff.
Just stay away from Fafnir himself. Odin did something to him and now he's...he's just not right. Guard your underpants.

>>52517062
I have asked like 5 times and never got a straight answer.

>>52516935
Anri goes Hollow in very particular circumstance, the lost of her friend and the finishing of Aldritch, also it is hinted at that they knew they had to die, Hollow, and such to be the Usurper's companion. That's completion of the task.

Horace is not a Ashen One, to my knowledge.

Hawkwood is a traitor, literally. He betrayed his beliefs in the Abyss Watchers. He betrays his duty as an Ashen One. He even goes so far as to pick up new things, the dragon coven, but he can't stop his true desire. At the end of it all he seeks to die properly, as in that was his objective from the start, which the MC Ashen One is able to mete out for him. His will to die isn't a broken one, just one in a direction most are unused to thinking of as 'strong'.

Siegward just wished to fulfill his promise to Yhorm, true.

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Would muscle mystery Be okay as a magic system in hero BBS?

>>52517260
Just use DxD. Math out your muscle powers then go to town. You get a free custom system anyway.

>>52516440
DeSu
>BE A SATURDAY MORNING CARTOON VILLAIN
>Wha-
>SUMMON DEMONS
>Wait, hang on-
>BECOME THE DEMON QUEEN
>SHARD, WHAT THE HELL
>DO IT!

>>52517293
yeah I had no benchmarks. So I just ripped off counter magic,or is that not its own system?

>>52517260
Yes. Does no one read the fucking notes?

>>52517337
Seems like a subset of a magic system, kinda like you could use flexing your muscles in a certain way as countermagic or antimagic. Maybe clenching your butt is anti magic. Sure it makes you look funny but it works!

>>52516225
Go goa'uld, burrow into somebody while they're sleeping and give them access to your powers. Just don't assume direct control, and you'll be fine.

>>52517344
okay so if counter magic isn't his own system That means I did it wrong and I can change it,cool.

but yeah it works by him Bending reality through adjusting his internal energies with "bodycords" thusly creating Resonance or dissonance with the world.

>>52517344
It says standard RPG stuff ,and I know I am a very bad judge of what os okay or not okay. so I ask to keep from going overboard

>>52517013
That's Asia's Treasure.

Which was needed to make the Contract with Fafnir in the first place.

Fafnir's own hoard of said treasures include God-killing Weapons (and now, Asia's panties and swimsuit).


>>52517062
A better question is what it can't do, the magic systems seem to be extremely open to a lot of effects and stuff. However, there are differences in how the different races use it, for example, the Devils, particularly the females use their magic to permanently enhance their looks and keep themselves young.

What you need is a good imagination / planning and a really good head for numbers because it quite literally is bringing what you imagine to reality. When you're good enough, you can then start pulling off things like obliterating a bunch of High-tier baddies, or one average dragon, without even standing up from your comfortable chair.

>>52517247
Iirc it responds to the user's desire, which is pretty vague. But I think that's how Issei got his Dress Break, which basically strips people naked with magic.

>>52517479
That's pretty much it.

He clearly focused on what he wanted and how it should happen, then magic did the rest. As a note, it gives no fucks as to how strong someone's armour is as long as there's a woman wearing it.

>>52517581
That is a surprisingly OP ability. Like that is stupidly useful in a fight, just POP no more armor.

Does the system need mana or something?

>>52517620
> Does the system need mana or something?
I believe so, however, there are magic systems that require other sacrifices so I suggest looking at the mythology of the magic you wanna learn.

> That is a surprisingly OP ability. Like that is stupidly useful in a fight, just POP no more armor.
Get this, it was so OP that he's literally not allowed to use it in Ratings Games, along with another spell he developed because otherwise they are basically Win Buttons for the Gremory Peerage if the opposing King has female peerage members or is female.

>>52517728
That seems stupid, isnt the point of the games to win?

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>>52517746
You must obey the RULES!

>>52517479
It responds to the user's desire if they're a magical being. Humans have to actually learn how magic works. That's actually something that can be a weakness to magical beings at the higher levels, they're used to intuitive magic and get lazy. But the magical beings that combine the intuitive magic with formal training are pretty OP.

>>52517620
It does, yes. More powerful clothing takes more energy to destroy, in the latest volume Issei makes what can only be called a "nudity kamehameha" to defeat one opponent's armor.

>>52517789
Actually I want to companion issei now. Have him fight wonderwoman and the rntire amazonian race.

>>52513781
If you're looking for an answer, ask SB.

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Where I can get the best Hydrokinesis? I want to out-preform this guy.

>>52517830
I don't think it's viable to companion Issei. He's pretty loyal to his harem, he's not going to leave them behind. And you can't afford to take all of them with you.

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>>52517830
That's really perverted! I approve. Go you King among Men.

>>52517874
Steven Universe. Become a Lapis Gem. Suck entire oceans off planets and manipulate them as you wish. It's seriously the best Hydrokinesis that I've ever seen.

>>52517806
It only works on women? Or is that just because the series' fanservice is largely women?

>>52517932
I believe it would work on anyone, and Issei just doesn't use it on men.

>>52517950
Or rather, he doesn't want to use it on man. Quite understandable, really.

>>52517806

If magic works like that is there any point in buying more than one system if you are a magical being?

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So it was a brought to my attention by a good friend that I forgot to specify that companions get 600 CP each to buy perks and items.

That has been changed. Also I took away the bullet points.

>>52518015
Super specific system maybe? Say tou want a system that is super refined for X and another for Y.

Like you want one to bend space and another for time so you can reinact the entire movie of doctor strange? I would settle for space bending and folding outside of a mirror dimension like the bad guy uses.

>>52518015
Yes. Magic might react to intent, but there are still specific types of magic. If you've got a fire magic system, all the intent and power in the world isn't going to help you use water.

>>52517746
There's an element of fairness that supposed to be involved in the games, because otherwise peeps would literally quit before fighting the Gremory Peerage.

The games were also politicised as well, so that further forces a lot of hands to be tied, not quite so sure anymore with the events of the Vol. 21 forcing a number of power vacuums and the such. So yeah.

Rules and Politics.

>>52518015
There is, because they are somehow all completely different in their effects and affects...if that makes sense.

One system can say...summon water as an afterthought, while another has trouble with it.

Like I mentioned before, read up on magic in mythologies and you'll get an idea of what's up.

>>52513310
>not removing that dumb choice between 500 CP and gimped powers vs 1000 CP

Could you stop being Red's puppet for once.

>>52515998
>Cthulhu/ Eldtrich abomination
Pretty sure I was Fate Tamamo at the time, so there was more molesting going on.

>>52517185
Not really into sloppy seconds, anon.

>>52517258
>Anri goes Hollow in very particular circumstance, the lost of her friend and the finishing of Aldritch, also it is hinted at that they knew they had to die, Hollow, and such to be the Usurper's companion. That's completion of the task.
True, but she still did give in and Hollow. If they did it to fulfill their duty as Consort to the Lord of Hollows, that's different I guess. But you can tell Anri is fragile and without the help of Horace or the Ashen One, she breaks.

>Horace is not a Ashen One, to my knowledge.
Oh, is he not?

>Hawkwood is a traitor, literally. He betrayed his beliefs in the Abyss Watchers. He betrays his duty as an Ashen One. He even goes so far as to pick up new things, the dragon coven, but he can't stop his true desire. At the end of it all he seeks to die properly, as in that was his objective from the start, which the MC Ashen One is able to mete out for him. His will to die isn't a broken one, just one in a direction most are unused to thinking of as 'strong'.
Hawkwood the Crestfallen Warrior of the game. He may eventually regain some resolve and take up the Path of the Dragon, but his will is in tatters when you meet him and stays that way for most of the game. His will to die isn't even unwavering, he just resigns himself to it in the end.

>>52516290
God and people claim ASA has an ego.

You know, something occured to me just now. I wonder if you could use Third Key from God of Highschool to break the Darksign? It's pretty similar to the Taboo after all, being something place on humanity by the gods to shackle their potential.

Would it be possible to get something like Ragna's blazblue?

>>52517929
>Steven Universe. Become a Lapis Gem. Suck entire oceans off planets and manipulate them as you wish. It's seriously the best Hydrokinesis that I've ever seen.

I think she would win in the sheer scale, but Leviathan seems to win in precision and creativity.

Maybe combine it with Waterbending?

>>52518095
Well that is probably possible, but sounds like you would need power on par with big red to pull it off.