MTG EDH/COMMANDER GENERAL

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post em

>>52481071
I'm not sure, sigs being 2 mana is a big deal. Droping a 4cmc on 3 is what makes them so powerful.

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I want to get off mr bones wild ride

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>>52481150

thoughts on Runehorn Hellkite in a Scion deck? i've been in a lot of situations where i want to wheel, but i'm not able to connect with scion to get it off Dragon Mage.

>>52481238
I think it has its place. You can practically tutor for it at any time once you have Scion out, so you can fetch it on a whim, but people will see it coming, so be wary of instant-speed grave hate they may or may not have.

>>52481266
i've been testing it out in my scion deck. the build i'm running isn't tribal dragons, so if drawn it's actually just a dead card.

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I swing for 295,397,106 trampling damage.

Response?

Didn't think so

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>>52481357
good thing i'm running the worst color

>>52481357
But anon, I've had a torpor orb out since turn 3!

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>>52481357
I spend BW for this. GG.

>>52481071
Signets already have the drawback of having to use a minimum of two mana to colorfix, e.g. having Swamp, Swamp, Dimir Signet and wanting to cast Brainstorm is clunky. Expanding that to a minimum of 3 mana would cause issues a lot more often.

Make it either cost 2cmc and 2 to tap for 3 mana to ramp as much as a signet with better colorfix but worse for cheap spells, or 4cmc and 1 to tap for 3 mana to compete with Thran Dynamo, Hedron Archive etc.

>>52481375
>Implying that card isn't universally banned in every playgroup because people expire before they can finish reading it.

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>>52481357

>>52481432
yeah man, reading is for dorks. the only cards that should be legal are vanilla creatures.

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>Life and Limb + Mycoloth + Ravenous Baloths
>mfw

Don't ever let anyone tell you your dreams can't come true even if they're only for a turn or two

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>>52481105
Hopefully by the end of next week I will have most of Meloku and Sisters built or at least in the mail.

>>52481357
how can you swing for so much damage, you only have 1 other creature on the battlefield?

JUUUDGE!

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>>52481357

>B-but i respond with...
>split second
>scoops

Peasants.

>>52481473
RAMPAGING baloths my bad. Ravenous Baloth is much less impressive in that scenario.

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legal in the format

What are some good cards for a Tajic deck?

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>>52481572

>>52481572
The big one is Odric Lunarch Marshal that way when you enter combat all of your creatures are indestructible.

I recommend boardwipes of all kinds, Wrath of God and Jokulhaups are some examples.

Worldslayer, Sunforger and whatever swords tickle your fancy for the voltron route.

>>52481572
Assemble the Legion
Anthems
Cathar's Crusade
Auras and Equipment?
More token producers

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Has anyone ever had success with Nemata, Grove Guardian? Instant speed blockers and a good mana sink for all that green mana, and it's not like buffing up hordes of tokens isn't a completely viable strategy.

I was just looking at her and realized with Illusionists Bracers she reads "2G: All saprolings get +4/+4". That kind of damage can end games if not dealt with right away.

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What's a good deck to play pic related in?

>>52481432
I use it in Marchesa. I've managed to win three pods by default.

>>52481701
Hope of Ghirapur.

Or Karn because you can animate your shit but that's boring.

>>52481698
I have Nemata in the 98 under Tana/Bruse for massive damage, but the game is usually over before that.

>>52481744
Don't see the Hope of Ghirapur synergy desu. I was thinking something that can blink your opponents' creatures repeatedly? Any ideas?

>>52481701
>>52481764
Roon of the Hidden Realm, it is slow, but steady.

>>52481764
Just a really early lock, and with Deathmantle out you can lock one player out of removing Portcullis.

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>>52481495
*blocks your split second*

>>52482320
>*blocks your split second*
Megamorph is an activated ability, and therefore cannot be added to the stack either (see split second's reminder text)

>>52482355
Turning a face-down creature with megamorph face up and putting a +1/+1 counter on it is a special action. It doesn’t use the stack and can’t be responded to.

>>52482355
That's where you're wrong, kiddo. Morph doesn't use the stack.

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>>52482412
>>52482372
Ok I'm getting kinda lost now. Where can I find "special actions" defined, and exemples of that? Nothing seems to work the way it used to...

>mfw no mana burn anymore

>>52482488
http://mtg.gamepedia.com/Special_action
Sorry to burst your bubble, hope this clears things up.

>>52482355
Morph and manifested cards don't use the stack when turned upright

>>52481473
>Life and Limb
That's some really fucking spicy tech for Ghave, thanks for sharing anon!

>>52482488

you've been wrong about morph since the mechanic was first introduced, don't give me that "muh rules change" stuff

>>52482804

Try sporemound with it

>>52482488
>old fogeys not realizing they just don't know the game as well as they think they do.

>>52483230
Don't do this. You draw the game unless you can stop the loop.
Don't be that guy who ends games in a draw

>>52483230
That would combo off with Life and Limb exclusively though and if i don't have it on the field it's almost completely useless.

>>52481495
isnt there a card where if your life total is one you win

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>>52483328
>>52481495

>>52483246
Morph been around for over a decade and it never used the stack. Some people just suck at magic.

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What deck would this be the commander for, if you simply had to create one?

>>52483455
True that. Explaining the Fiend Hunter+Sac outlet interaction almost always gets someone to call me a cheater.

People are dumb

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>>52481105

>>52483583
Colorless Sword of X and Y voltron

>>52481357
Did I mention I have palace guard with baton of morale on the field? Good try though.

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>>52481357
I block with some junk. Have fun with your 147,698,549 saprolings and one craterhoof while I combo off.

>>52484412
>>52484413
Batonmind

>>52484413
Explain?

>>52484613
Learn banding.

Trying to build a zombie deck, but there's literally 0 good reanimate commanders

what commander do i even chose?

>>52484704
Grimgrin. You're playing zombies, not reanimator. Zombies reanimate themselves.

>>52484704
Who is Chainer?

>>52481071
Hell no. I'm already bad at planning how to spend my mana in multicolored decks and often enough end up with a signet and no other mana to activate it. This new signet in a 4 color deck and I would get a stroke.

>>52484613
Banding allows you to re-direct ALL damage to one creature, which effectively cockblocks trample. You can even bypass ____walk with it, if they band something with ____walk for some reason. That's why banding will never come back, it's a design sore.

>>52481071
I'd run any standard 3 mana tap-for-any over Trisignets as described.

>>52484911
I looked up banding a couple of times already and always forgot the exact rules for it after a while. It really is a terrible feature.

>>52484911
Ah, ok, I thought trample said that excess damage is dealt to the controller, but it actually says that you may deal excess damage to the controller. Thanks for the info.

>>52484613
When you control a creature with banding, you may freely distribute all damage dealt by any creature it blocks. This can allow you to
>Spread damage across a gang block so nothing of yours dies
>Pile all damage from the blocked creature onto one victim, letting Freddy McExpendable of the Red Shirt take one (or one hundred) for the team
>Screw over trample, Thorn Elemental, and so on by applying all the damage to one or more blockers.

Again, as long as at least one creature with banding is blocking said attacker.

If something blocks an attacking band, you get to do the same with damage incoming against the band, but that's the slightly less useful side of things. I use Baton to good offensive effect in Sultai Sidisi though to let her zombies run interference for her to mill me more. Any other commander with an attack trigger, like Radha, could also benefit by bringing a bodyguard along for the ride.

>>52484992
naw, it's a perfectly reasonable ability. I wish White would get its old evergreen back.

Making my first foray into EDH, gonnna build nath of the gilt leaf, How many non basics would you reccomend including?

>>52485087
Depends on the budget. Out of 35 land I often run 20 nonbasics between duals and utility in tricolor decks, more like 15 in a two color deck like Nath

I'd consider a good first timer (so, budget) base to be Llanowar Wastes, Woodland Cemetery, Overgrown Tomb, Command Tower, a few other miscellaneous rainbow lands (City of Brass, Mana Confluence, etc.), some utility lands (Geier Reach Sanitarium for Nath? Arcane Lighthouse and Reliquary Tower are basically always welcome.) and... yeah, probably around 20 basics

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>>52485087
:^)

>>52481357
>Selfless Squire
>STP

>>52485087
10-12 usually. Both for fixing and for utility. 2 colors is pretty simple.

>>52484704
Gisa&Geralf

>>52483583
voltron

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how long until specfags realize the amonkek lands are bad and prices come back down?

>there's never a rules thread when I need one

If you're running miracles and have instant speed draw, could you pop a thunderous wrath or terminus for it's miracle cost on your opponent's turn?

>>52486802
Yes.
Miracle is a replacement affect so it overrides the casting speed restriction.

>>52486818
hot shit
instant speed miracles

>>52486660
Not until they rotate. While they're mediocre in eternal, they're the best we've got other than fast lands in standard.

Could someone help me make cuts with this Thromok deck? I think I've cut most of the sub-optimal stuff, but now I just have too many cards that synergize, and need to choose the best ones, but I always suck at that.

Suggestions for useful cards are also appreciated.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-04-17-thromok/

>>52481404
Just got off work and saw this spicy tech. Had to thank the anon that has opened my eyes to a greater world of fucking over craterhoof

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What is the longest commander game you have played?

Who was your commander?

How did it end? I'm just curious.

For me it was around nine hours playing Brago, it was a perfect storm, no one was getting extra card draw and multiple board wipes left it being a war of attrition.

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Is this janky piece of shit worth a slot in Karlov?

>>52488052
About 4 hours in a 4 person match.

I had Daretti, one guy had Skullbriar, another Geist of St.Traft and I can't remember the last but it was something control.

The game just kinda ended with my planeswalker always getting killed before I could use my ultimate, Skullbriar doing nothing but being killed whenever he entered the field and the other two doing nothing.

Eventually Geist ran outta cards and Skullbriar managing to get Swiftfoot Boots equipped for a trampling beatdown.

>>52488078
Probably not without a large madness/reanimator package.

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The league I play in uses this scoring method. Does any kind anon have a suggestion for good commanders?

>>52481071

So I need your guys opinion. I have a jarad edh deck i'm working on and what do you think would be a better 4 drop ramp card, Frontier Siege, or Garruk Wildspeaker?

>>52488370
I think Isamaru into Armageddon nets you the most points (4 points assuming you win, 2 for first blood, 3 from killing everyone else, 2 for casting Isamaru 3 times, 3 for Pathing someone's commander, 2 for Wrath/Armageddon)

Could also play Tagic for Razia's Purfication and burn spells to ensure 1st blood

also that point system is fucking gay (all point systems are gay, but this one especially), rewards board wipes, not casting your commander, and removing someone's commander multiple times. Literally encouraging people to play cancer goodstuff and bully any player whose behind for extra points. the penalties for infinite combo and 15th spell in a turn don't stack so I don't even understand why they're separate things. The "lifegain is ok as long as it's less than 50 a turn" is entirely arbitrary. The penalty points are also so low they get negated by winning the round.

I'd love if you posted the restricted list.

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>>52488679
Banlist. I have to agree with your condemnations of the point system, people quite frequently go infinite and play cards from the ban list because as you noted killing the whole table usually justifies the point loss.

>>52488805
>grafted exoskeleton
This list is retarded.

>>52486818
Miracle is a trigger, not a replacement effect, though.

>>52488805
>Sorin and Tree but no 'pure vanilla sphinx'
Also, that's shitty.

Should I run Aurelia or Gisela as the commander for an angel tribal indestructible combat trick deck?

>>52489023
You pick option C, Anya

>>52488805
>All those combo pieces
>and Tree of Perdition
>Tree
>of
>Perdition

>and Craterhoof

this is advanced nonfunallowed

>>52489175
>>52488944
>>52488850
Let me be clear people still run these I see at least one of these cards just about every week. It's a stupid list for sure, but at least you're only dinged one point.

How do I build around prophet of kruphix?

>>52488805
>>52488370
Are you the kind of man who wants to "play fair", or get a new card added to that list?

Ruric Thar "Oops All Permanents Punishment" deck. You run stuff like Eidolon of the Great Revel, Manabarbs, and Dictate of the Twin Gods, run heavy creatures but don't shy away from artifacts and enchantments totally, and wrap up with Primal Surge.

Primal Surge hits your entire deck and does not cast, meaning you will not lose points for either. Additionally, Radha-Ventmaw-Hellkite also isn't infinite, because you have to attack with Radha and she can die.

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>>52489301
Inform your opponent that the card is banned in edh

>>52488370
Hokori Stax. Drink the tears of your foes with a side of the dust that used to be everybody's board state. And no important pieces are on the penalty list so you'll likely lose no points.

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I have a feeling this is some joke I'm not in on.

>>52489889
Look at the calendar.

>open a box of modern masters
>pull 3 fetchlands

are these useful in EDH like enough to not sell them for other cards?

>>52489910
yes.

>>52489908
Alright, why the fuck happened that day?

>>52489940
not sure if meta joke, or if serious.

>>52489958
Okay, I clicked on some of the deck lists and I get it now.

>>52488370
>>52488805
Holy shit why do people play like this? The format doesn't need extra bans. That is the saddest banlist I've ever seen for EDH. Tree of Perdition?

I'm glad my LGS isn't fucking braindead like some seem to be.

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so is this the best voltron commander?

>>52489910
Fetchlands are extremely good in every format they're legal. The only fetches I've ever sold or traded were foil ones and I immediately replaced them nonfoils.

Fetches are even great in monocolor decks if you have enough Divining Top or Scroll Rack effects. Extra shuffles to get rid of cards you don't want.

>>52489958
I just realised it's still the fucking 1st in America, shit.

>>52490055
In mono white it's down to him or 8.5 Tails, and 8.5 wants Sram in the 99

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So is the trick to pic related just to throw as many red and artifact Creatures with good etb effects together?

Are there any notable tricks for the card advantage red sorely lacks?

>>52490124
what about cat titts?
she has most decks on edh rec

>>52490426
Cat tits isn't very good for voltron compared to 8.5 or Sram. People like her and make decks out of her because she's got cat tits, not because she's strong.

Think about it -- she coughs up her little hairball totems, but what freeking good does that do a Voltron? Sram counters white's innate CA weakness, while 8.5 can dodge removal and, with enough mana, blockers.

>>52481432
What?

Is this an April Fools Day joke?

Am I being pranked?

Are you unironically, unequivocally, unarguably this dicksucking goddamn stupid?

Neck yourself you little retard.

>>52490391
Dragon mage and stingscourger and thought knot seer are fun with him.

>>52490492
but she has cat titts

>>52490739
Which means very little from a statistical point of view.

>>52490906
Itty bitty kitty titties or fat cat tats?

>>52490906
catt titts > no cat titts
that seems good to me

>>52490391
Having some extra artifact and/or creature sacrificing effects is a good way to get more value. The rage scoops to Feldon and Smokestack on board with Avalanche Riders in the yard can be kind of epic

>>52490613
>>52491078
Good ideas. Also with his ability, if I make a token of a creature and then give it to another player does it sill get sacrificed or will it stay around?

>>52488370
>>52488805

>gaining life loses points
>taking turns loses points
>grafted keksoskeleton and tree of perdition are banned

What a fucking joke. Just play that shit anyway and wipe the floor with the fucking battlecruiser timmy babies until they understand.

>>52491098
Since it's still the same token, pretty sure it would still be exiled unless you had someway to exile the trigger on the stack

>>52481357
>won off this tonight
>no one got mad

You guys are a bunch of babies

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>Slowly getting bored with most of my decks
>Took apart 4 of them, down to 8
>Find myself only playing 3 that I particularly enjoy Titania, Gonti, Ishai/Bruse Tarl

What do?

>>52490391
Keldon Firebombers

>>52491354
What are the other ones?

I do too much weird combo shit with tokens. I want something that is just "slam fatties and win through brute force"

Who is a good commander for this?

>>52491385
WB Daxos, Tymna/Sidar Kondo, Queen Marchesa (Sunforger Black), Brion, Kraj, and PrideKings

The 4 I took apart were Mazirek, Vial Smasher/Kydele, Breya, and Nin

>>52491478
>almost every commander printed within the last 2 years

Build Zirilan.

>>52491501
I actually have a Zirilan. What am I in for?

>>52491530
Ballertime. That's what you're in for.

How much does a GOOD Edric deck cost?

>>52491588
Depends if you want good or Blue/Green valuetown/lockdown no-fun alowed stuff
The latter is obviously more expensive but is usually frowned upon

>>52491478
I really want to build WB Daxos because I want to play a cool deck like WB enchantments but yeesh every time I remember he has a super lame reward for going in on a theme that isn't really well supported in black or even really white so much.

>>52491588
It's pretty cheap. Timewalk effects are the only expensive parts of the deck. The number and kind you use will impact the price a lot. There is a big difference between beacon of tomorrows and temporal manipulation.

The rest of the deck is some evasive Commons and a few cheap counterspells to protect against wraths.

>>52491765
The trick I found with him is to have a very low average CMC in your deck. He also wants your removal to be in Enchantment form (though I run Anguished Unmaking/Utter End because they are Instants and never a bad draw).

You can even get away with just doing a 3 CMC or less theme with him (which is what a friend did as a self-imposed challenge. It did surprisingly well despite missing cards like Skybind, True Conviction, Grave Pact, and the more important Constellation creatures)

>>52488078
I don't think so. Maybe if it were a one drop but while it does curve with karlov well enough since it's a 3 drop, you have a lot of better 3 drops after karlov, either other single life gain like the SOI soul sister that triggers itself and other soul sisters as it etbs since it's a creature or outright buffs like Duelist's Heritage or Ajani, Caller of the Pride) and you don't really care about the life gain per se, you just need to be able to do a lot, and while it's repeatable which can help a white and a discard is not cheap.

>>52491765
I have heard you want nearly 0 other creatures and instead you need to go all in on enchantments since will make doods for you.

>>52488370
>>52488805

The only extra bans my LGS has are for 2HG tournies. And they're pretty much all extra turn cards and omniscience.

JUDGE


How does lord of extinction and the mimeoplasm work together?

if I were to exile lord of extinction to mimeoplasm for his +1/+1s, how do I determine the values?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/trostani-and-the-one-hundred-tokens/

Any ideas of what I can take out for the maybeboard?

>>52492312
You exile Lord of Extinction. You get its P/T on Mimeoplasm. Not that difficult.

>>52492361
Is a */* though, does it enter with +1/+1s equal to its value when exiled?

>>52492608
Yes, that's it's power in all zones.

>cockatrice.woogerworks.com
>unknown login error: -1

Can someone help out please? I have no idea how to connect with this error.

>>52488370
>Gain more than 50 life in a single turn
Why the fuck?

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I'm wondering if I'm understanding this right.

Sakashima is a copy of Kraj, and all three creatures have +1/+1 counters. Does Kraj have an infinite number of instances of Patron's "untap all green creatures" ability (and whatever else, but they don't matter)?

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I can't decide which deck to build next. On one hand, I've been meaning to build a spider tribal deck ever since I got into EDH and my urge has gotten much stronger (figured out about the Ishkanah + Nim Deathmantle + Ashnod's combo). However, play-testing Borborygmos Enraged has been a blast; ramping into multiple lightning bolts and other land high jinks is a cool way to play as well. Not trying to get anyone to choose for me but I'm curious as to how you decide on the decks you want to buy.

Shameless decklist plug, looking for feedback:
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/d-r-e-a-m-w-e-a-v-e-r/
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/won-by-a-landslide/

>>52493007

>infinite number of instances

Why wouldn't they just have 2 instances? Since you have 2 kraj's feeding each other abilities

>>52493169
I assumed it was a continuous "I have all your abilites" thing going between the two. Kraj has a copy, Sakashima has a copy. Then they gain the copies from the other, "look" again to see more copies, and so on.

>>52491439

Xenagod is best for that I think, or most fitting anyway

Another good choice is captain sisay since you can tutor up a sweet fatty every turn

Otherwise just pick any green deck and play your favorite fatties, should work out fine

>>52489910

They are excellent in edh, the other thing you need to consider is that this is the wors possible time to sell mm17 enemy fetches, the price of them all just dropped

>>52481698
>Nemata
>Fecundity
>Earthcraft
>Saproling Symbiosis
>Parallel Evolution
>Sprout Swarm
>Skullmuncher

It actually builds itself pretty well.

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>>52484704
>0 good commanders

Try looking at pic related and realize how wrong you are.

unless your deck is tuned to face her, how does kalia not wipe out most decks especially at the casual level? only seems to take a hit or two before you're dealing with creatures that just destroy you or your ability to recover.

>>52488052
>What is the longest commander game you have played?
4 man that boiled down to me and a pillowfort. He had blazing archon and I copied it.
>Who was your commander?
Kruphix
>How did it end?
I drew polymorphists jest, turned all his protection into frogs and punched him for lethal with an Endless one

>>52493198

Okay so i did some research

Each kraj checks the other creatures once and "updates" his abilities then. The relevant rule is that "each continuous effect only applies once". Because both kraj's abilities apply in the same layer, the one with the more recent time stamp will update later. So OG kraj checks the creatures and gets one instance of those abilities, and checks sakashima to get another instance of each of those abilities, so 2 of each ability. Then sakashima checks all those and gets 1 of each ability, then checks kraj and gets 2 more of each ability for a total of 3

This is actually relevant with patron of the orochi because the "once per turn" clause is restricted to the instance of the ability, so your sakashima can untap your forests and green creatures 3 times a turn

>>52493386

Casual means different things, but I think just about every meta should include spot removal and board wipes, and those are pretty good at shutting down kaalia. If she gets a good start with lightning greaves or something it can be hard for a casual deck to stop, but that means it's going to be archenemy in multiplayer that game. One person hits the artifact removal for the boots, another hits the kill spell for kaalia

I don't think running good removal counts as "tuning your deck to beat kaalia" because removal is good in almost every matchup, especially in casual metas where there are no creatureless storm decks

>>52493457
true but she demands an answer immediately. every time she's cast, you've better got something to say or something ridiculous is coming at you. it's not like she needs time to build up to something scary. you seem to need a lot more spot and mass removal when facing her.

>>52491439
jihoria

>>52493486

I definitely think she can be one of the better decks in a casual meta. I think she is weak to board wipes but strong against other decks that are just trying to play splashy creatures.

As you say she can put in some ridiculous cards like gisela or lord of the void, but those cards aren't going to kill a whole table in 2 turns, so your board wipes are not only going to get kaalia, prevent another fatty from coming down for 2 more turns (summoning sick kaalia) but also kill those fatties she already cheated in, setting her back on cards heavily

Kaalia is at her best against green decks, which tend to be weak to flying fatties and have less creature removal.

>>52493555
doesn't green have a ton of "kill target flying creature" cards?

but yeah, she can be a pain to deal with. i feel like i'm racing the clock against her much more so than other generals, even some pretty powerful ones. her with some haste and a few big cards in hand can often outpace the table.

>>52493607

Green does have anti-flying tech but those aren't super popular in my experience, the reason being that these cards are fairly narrow

As far as explosiveness, I agree that kaalia is one of the top choices in a casual meta. You aren't going to be able to race her with most decks other than something like a krenko/purphoros or an elfball deck. Kaalia is very explosive. Kaalia is not super resilient though. When kaalia is dead, it's hard for them to hardcast their fatties. And it's also not easy for them to recover from board wipes because they need to draw multiple fatties to get the ball rolling again

>>52493652
the plan from now on is to keep my removal high and tutor up nevermore before my combo pieces.

not sure if hand stripping is worth it. might just be better to focus on the one critical link than deprive of all cards/resources.

>>52493686

I definitely agree that against kaalia it's not really about overall resources and more about those few critical points where you can prevent her from swinging.

In multiplayer you can't save all your removal ever for kaalia but if she's giving you trouble then yeah she should definitely be one of your very high priority targets. And if she's giving you trouble in multiplayer, she's giving other people trouble too, you should be getting help with the removal on those critical turns where kaalia is summoning sick or where hasty kaalia is coming next turn due to greaves on board or something

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>>52493386
Literally just run removal

Kaalia players are the worst. Always thinking they're hot shit with a unique deck, when in reality its the same cookie cutter garbage over and over.

>>52493759

Ugh it's this guy again

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>>52492354
Asking again, I really want to see how to make it better.

>>52493787

I looked at your list but decided not to reply because I felt that your deck was too far gone to save.

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>>52493768
Maybe I'm wrong, but I've seen seven different kaalia decks in the past 2 years by different people, and all 7 of them related with that picture.

Maybe it's a coincidence, I don't know.

All kaalia players, without fail, have a superiority complex and get unreasonably pissed when they're t3 kaalia gets removed before she can attack. Literally will aggro for the rest of the game on the first guy to remove kaalia because "WELL YOU KILLED HER! OF COURSE I'D FOCUSE YOU THE REST OF THE GAME! "

>>52493837
Can confirm. Kaalia players will flail their arms as they try to regain board control in the "grown up" table.

Literally, once they lose their commander for the first time there's not a lot they can do so they get mad. All of them.

>>52493759
this is honestly a fairly accurate representation of the guy im thinking of.

>>52493837

>"all ____ players, without fail, ____"

See, this kind of thing is merely annoying when it's just (you) farming, but you are actually defending this like its a reasonable thing to say

>>52493869
>>52493854

I guess you were right though, you have independent confirmation

>>52493875
You play Kaalia, don't you?

>>52493875

I'm sorry you wasted $55 anon

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>>52493869
What about kaalia attracts greasy troglyditic subhumans?

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I wanted to make Kruphix but I didn't want it to be degenerate bullshit and then unfun for the rest of my group
Did I do a decent job?
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/muh-horizons/

>>52493938
The edginess. Also, red and black have some devotion from these players.

Also, it's not that hard to build a Kaalia deck.

>>52493938
edgy, powerful creatures and a braindead deck? literally requires no thought and it's effective in casual circles. makes it seem like you're good when you just bought the biggest angels, dragons, and demons you could find.

>>52493486
>she demands an answer immediately. every time she's cast

This just isn't true. She only needs an answer on the first cast and it completely fucks the deck up. Once she dies the first time the caster will be stuck doing nothing for another 2-3 turns and by the time she can swing again people can just hard cast the same quality shit she was cheating into play.

Having removal up by the time the kaalia player hits 4 mana and before they swing is not a lot to ask for, but it is something you need to do.

>>52493912
>>52493899

Does kaalia actually cost $55?

Anyway no I don't play kaalia, I just don't like how these threads are such bad vibes

>wow you and your playgroup are so shit kys
>everybody who plays my least favorite commander is a greasy neckbeard
>etc etc

>>52494005
that's a good point. even with ramp, there's at least a turn or two where they sit there doing nothing because their deck is useless without her on the board. i could use those turns to tutor up or draw into my game winner while he flails.

>>52494017
I think she costs more than that but can do some damage at the kitchen table for $55.

>>52494017
>everybody who plays my least favorite commander is a greasy neckbeard

I don't think that's what people are saying. EDH players decks usually explore some facet of their personalities, and Kaalia really does have a type of player associated with her, there is a clear trend (all anecdotal for sure, but people sure seem to be able to recognize it). She isn't an all star general, but it's the attitude of her players that gets to people. The only similar general I can think of is Oloro.

>>52494193
A foil kaalia costs 55$

>>52494263
Ah, I see. That seems like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iteB7wQckh4

>>52494243
what's the stereotypical oloro player like?

>>52494311
In short, they are bad spikes.

>>52494351
long version. want to see if you'll go 2 for 2

>>52494311
>>52494351
i'm not that guy and i rarely see oloro players but this is what i'm guessing they're all like, interested to see if it matches up

>think they're playing a "thinking man's deck" because they're in esper colors and don't win with combat damage
>mostly just want to durdle around doing nothing for 99% of the game, then win by some shitty combo on turn t10
>think they're good deckbuilders even though their decks are slow as fuck and only win by comboing out because they aren't important enough to disrupt/kill early on
>occasionally counterspell random bullshit
>never actually cast oloro
>favorite thing to do is an overloaded cyclonic rift on the end step prior to own turn

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Playable in Meren?

>>52493947
You'll find out that it's really easy not to be degenerate if you're not actively trying to be
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kruphix-hydras-3/

>>52494590
Well, fringe playable. I'd still focus on creature strategies, such as Sakura Tribe Elder, Yavimaya Elder, Wood Elves and other that give lands on ETB or death. No Ondu Giant though.

>>52494311
No idea yet, but I do know the youngest guy at the table was eyeing him up (he's like 15)

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So I bought the illustrious Jhoira for edh and I'm thinking of building chaos, particularly around possibility storm as a starter, any other card suggestions?

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Whats your favorite staple you've personally opened? Pic related is mine.

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>>52494654
>No Ondu Giant though.
Because it's too slow?

>>52494670
wild evocation, omen machine, grip of chaos, planar chaos, game of chaos, thieves auction, warp world, worldgorger dragon, aaaaaand mindmoil.

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>>52494689
i once pulled two of these from one m15 pack. holo and a normal. best pack i think ive opened.

>>52494691
Yeah, there's million 3cmc or under dudes that do the same trick. It's not worth for the increased P/T, and there's way better options available, namely the both elders, which are both pretty much staples

>>52494654
How about Rampant Growth, Explosive Vegetation and Nissa's Pilgrimage?

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>>52494689
Got her at a draft, loved it

>>52494739
I woul go for Cultivate/Kodama's Reach, Explosive Vegetables and Skyshroud Claim. No to Pilgrimage, since it only can fetch basic forests, it's straight up downgraded KR or Cultivate. Rampant Growth maybe, but it's still worse than Sakura. Most of the time, you're going to want creature strategies with Meren anyway.

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>>52481071
Is it legal to play black guildgates in pic related?
I want to build lands.dec and I think Maze's End might be a good wincon.

>>52494895
Nope, they've got black mana symbols on them and therefor black colour identity.

>>52494689
force of will

>>52494818
I do have Sakura, it's just that my deck's way too slow, with me not getting any ramp early

>>52489910
What else did you pull?
I only pulled 2 fetches + a bunch of modern staples and goyf which are useless to me. Already sold them back fo my lgs pocketing fetches + all foils except Bonfire of the Damned.

>>52493759
The only think cringier than Kaalia and Nekusar decks is you complaining about them. You sound fun to play with

>>52495173

My thoughts exactly

>>52494243
There's no "attitude" behind a Kaalia player. I can kill people with skullbriar faster than a piece of shit like fucking Kaalia.

>>52487323
Please ;_;

Fetchlands and shock lands and ABUR duals.

I've found out after a few years of playing commander that they're not worth it in our decks unless you do have synergies (i.e. landfall, crucible, etc.)

What do you guys think? Does it really makes a difference?

>>52495897
Fetches matter, especially if you run Top, Scroll Rack or Brainstorm as examples

>>52495912
I dont play blue as first or second colour.

>>52495963
That hardly matters, since you asked about overall. Besides, brainstorm is just one of the things. The main gist is that you can replace cards in hand with top cards of your library and then shuffle. Shuffling and being able to fetch a land that gives any colour is pretty good option, but there's also the deck thinning meme, which does have some relevance in late game where you only want to draw nonlands

Every time I make a deck I end up just building a combo deck, at every revision just making it more all-in and consistent in comboing out.
And then I think why am I not just doing an all tutor cancer deck that wins on turn 3-4.
Is there a general that can break me out of this mentality?

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What Win Cons Should I run in Gonti I have the classic package of big black mana and exsanguinate however that is the only true wincon in the deck.

>>52490055
Best voltron is probably either Rafiq or Uril.

>>52490055
Sigarada, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise

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>mfw realizing the combo of Mazirek, Ashnod's Altar and Animation module
Man, that seems fun, any spicy tech I should know of? Put Kalitas in there?

>>52494670
>chaos
kill yourself

>>52497261
You run the other player's wincons, you dummy

>>52490502
wow dude chill out it was just a joke on an internet forum jeez louise

>>52495897
Using fetches and fetchable duals matters a huge deal on whether or not you can keep a hand when playing 3+ colors.

>>52494924
Didn't they change it to something like "if a land would produce a color of mana it doesn't share with the deck's commander, it produces colorless instead"?

>>52497295
Kalitas doesn't interact at all with that combo, i would probably run it in Ghave with the other gorillions of infinite combos

>>52497422
I meant "Should I put Kalitas in Mazirek" as I like the value of extra creatures when opponents sacrifice.

>>52497261
The best thing about Gonti is being able to use other players' stuff as your own wincon. Run plenty of flicker effects and you'll find you have a huge hand that you can access at any time with perfect color fixing.

>>52497412
The rules are linked in the OP, seriously just read them. You are beyond wrong and can solve this problem yourself.

>>52497412
Yes but you can't put hte card in your deck because as of the color identity rules all mana symbols on the card must be of the same color of your commander's mana symbols. Boros Guildgate has both a white and red mana symbol hence i can't run it in Daretti if by chance a Zedru player gifts me a Boros Guildgate then it produces either red or colorless

>>52497444
It's not, "beyond wrong," it was just only half right. You still wouldn't be able to run it, but it would tap for colorless a la >>52497472

>>52497509
You no longer produce colorless.


You would/can produce any color the land would normally make.

This was changed with BFZ/Oath when colorless casting costs were used to prevent easy access to colorless

>>52497509
No, you are 100% wrong.
Read the rules. It's literally the shit linked in the OP.

Gitgud or get out.

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Why am i ban?!

>>52497736
>>52497750
Okay, so I had it backwards then. It was changed to not being able to.

>>52497846
Easily abused to get busted lands

>>52497261
Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood is easy to fit and wins for less mana than Exsanguinate.

>>52491530
I run Zirilan, and it is by far my favorite deck.

>>52488805
>tooth and nail banned
>defense of the heart banned
I oughta whump you over the head.

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>tfw someone in your group discovers how busted Paradox Engine is

>>52491439
BASED XENAGOD CRAVES YOUR DEVOTION

>>52497846
Because I can cast you in turn 4, 3 if I'm lucky and get the perfect lands without trying.

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Is it worth running this in trostani? I run no fetchlands.

>>52498261
It's decent mana fixing that is much better than a guildgate, so I'd say yes.

Wow, I threw together a prototype Nameta deck and she's proving to be quite powerful. Since she's an army in a can that can be cast as much as I need it was mostly anthems, protection and overrun effects rather than different types of tokens.

And it worked REALLY well. Her ability to sacrifice Saps can be used mid combat after they've been blocked, buffing up everyone that was let past every time, as well as giving your saprolings the ability to kill while blocking by buffign up one in particular. It's even stronger with Illusionists Bracers. I'm gonna fine tune this and see how under appreciated this Commander is.

>>52498331
She's very underwhelming compared to Marath, but monogreen does bring a couple of benefits

are the bfz lands the next best thing if you don't want to buy shocks?

How does Collected Company look for Edric? I have a spare one lying around and I was wondering if it'd deserve a spot in your usual flying men deck.

Is there a reason for me not to jam Gitrog, crucible and loam into every GBx deck I have, aside from budget reasons?

>>52498401
>Gaea's Anthem
>Caged Sun
>Gauntlet of Power
>Pathbreaker Ibex
>Craterhoof
>Overwhemling Stampede
>Overrun
>Doubling Season
>Cryptolith Rite
>Druids Depository
> Bloodspore Thrinax

I can't deny Marath wouldn't be better, but I've seen plenty of them, and not one Nemata. She's a mostly forgotten legend that can do pretty well in the right setup, attacking with over a dozen 40/40's was achieved a few times in the games I played so far.

Plus outsmarting and killing people with plants is always fun thematically.

>>52498526
You're paying 4 mana potentially bury Time Walks, for two mana worth of dudes.

You shouldn't really have problems having dudes in hand to cast.

>>52498413
Not exactly. It depends on a lot of factors, chief being how many basics you run. Also they only really shine with fetches. Without the right support I think nearly any other cycle does it better. (Painlands, filters, city of brass&co, tainted lands, hell, even the citp tapped lands with benefits tacked on are better if you can't trigger the bfz ones)

>>52498573
I figured. It's just not as much value in EDH in general. I guess I can just sell it for some dosh to buy more staples.

>>52498166
It's basically a remove on sight artifact. Way too easy to win games with it.

>>52498567
All of those would perform better in Marath except for Caged Sun and Gauntlet of Power, but you've got Mirari's Wake for that

I was thinking more like Hall of Gemstone and Wave of Vitriol for benefits

>>52494311
Fat nerd types who get angry when you remove any peice of the pillow fort they have constructed.Will win through felidar sovereign or exquisite blood combo but complain about shit like mld or infect.

>>52498261
What do fetches even do in your scenario? This land does nothing for fetches

>>52498941
I assumed just saying their mana base is lacking fetches

>>52488052
Last night we had a 4 hour game. I was on Slobad, against Sylvos, Shattergang, and Saskia, and god damn it was just a slog. Shattergang was on maximum Fun Police and making people sac tons of shit, Sylvos and Saskia were bringing the slap whenever they could, so I was kinda left in the dust.

Then Saskia got a Miracle Reforge off and I drew into an Obliterate and Blightsteel. With a Dictate of Karametra out. Floated all my mana, dropped Obliterate, then Blightsteel, then won.

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>play monoR Grenzo
>GW ramp dumps Ulamog
>Breya Phyrexian metamorphs it
>drop a hasty Hanweir Battlement
>humans attack through GW player
>goblins attack through Breya
>Both Ulamogs goaded
>carnage ensues as I continue to Goad the Ulamogs
>mfw

>>52499047
Did the Shattergang Brothers player have a wincon? How do you even win with those cunts?

>>52499070
Aw man this makes me want to build Grenzo. But I already have so much red...

>>52499149

He's so fucking fun. Just go super wide and Goad shit you don't like or murder their library. I got a Sylvan library last game, which is as amazing in monored as you'd think. Once you have a decent amount of weenies, drop the double strike and then shit really starts to fly.

>>52499109
His is straight stax. Luckily he hasn't discovered MLD yet, but he can run a nasty infinite around Kokusho which is usually how he wins

>>52499221
Got a list? I might tweak my old Zada list into this guy

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So I'm trying to figure out counters for a Sakashima deck. Normally I want stuff to get through, but a Boompile or Skittles Babby must not be allowed. I have some bounce spells and a Cyclonic Rift for good measure.

>>52494526
I'll admit, I play Oloro and I tend to dick around for several turns (countering things that might hurt me, flying under the radar) before combing out. But that's pretty much what combo decks do, what other choice do I have?

And no, I never actually cast him. But I don't pretend it's a thinking man's deck, I just got tired of smashing faces with fatties.

>>52494351
...Yeah.

>>52498900
I'll have you know, sir, that I am neither fat nor do I play a pillow fort deck! And Felidar Sovereign? Outrageous. I'd never win in such a way I prefer Lab Maniac and some horseshit to remove my library. I chose Oloro because I liked the colours and, as a gym rat who wasted four years in university studying philosophy, he spoke to me.

I bid you good day.

>>52497846

Getting any land is just silly

so where do people buy those convincing chinese copies of cards? i like this game and all but i'm not paying $20 for a card if there's a good alternative.

>>52499966
Fuck off to modern general

>>52500019
why

>>52499966
Don't bother, this game is not fun if everyone has access to every card ever printed. Stupidly expensive cards are stupidly expensive because they are stupidly broken.

>>52500144
i wouldn't go nuts but i cant keep using increasing ambition when i need a demonic tutor. it's just shit

>>52500177
Then use diabolical tutor you dummy

>>52500199
got one. need more tutors. i wouldnt get the crazy expensive lands or imperial seal or whatever. just $20+ cards that really aren't worth it for a hobby

>>52500228
>>52500177
>>52499966

Just google it man, you'll find em

>>52499362
Power sink is ALWAYS good. Also, not a counter but are you running Guile?

>>52500228
>>52500177
>>52499966
Why is it that there appears one of these faggots in every thread?
You want to play magic? You have to get the cards you want to make the deck with. If you can't afford a certain card, there's always cheaper alternatives. Play within your budget.
It's literally same thing with every hobby, besides maybe BFR, every hobby costs and good shit always costs, even though there's always cheaper alternatives. For example, you can buy a bike with a carbon fibre frame or just a regular bike, but obviously the former costs more.

I know you guys don't really like helping new people, but we should, I don't know, maybe pin some budget commander decks? So people who want to get into this format or are poor, just like the faggot who wants to buy fake cards, can have something to play. Just saying.

>>52500559
>BFR
>"Boys Fuck my Rectum"

yeah you seem like the angry type to enjoy that.

Titania is fucking bonkers holy shit

>float all my mana
>Scapeshift on half my mana base
>get 4 Elementals on top of Titania and the 4 I already have
>fetch Cradle and 3 Forests
>play OG Garruk, untap Cradle and a Forest
>play Terastodon, blow up my Forests, get Elephants and Elementals
>use last green mana on Concordant Crossroads and beat everyone to death

>>52500691
Barefoot running. It was only hobby I could think of that doesn't cost anything.
I'm not really mad, but proxying is okay if you're playtesting a card to see if it's worth getting. Proxying because you don't want to pay for real stuff is not cool.
It's all meta dependant though, as everyone is fine with proxies in my meta, but no one really does it other than waiting for finding a card or waiting for it to come around or getting enough to buy one.
Like one of the guys proxied an Imperial Seal and now he's getting one after a long time he had the proxy.

Why is it that you proxyfags get really defensive whenever someone doesn't agree with you?

>>52498195
He looks pretty baller. I have an old Feldon deck with a bunch of fatties in it that might be fun. Lots of Dragons

>>52500849
>I'm not really mad

he says during his tirade.

>you're defensive when someone doest agree with you!!!!
>Proxying because you don't want to pay for real stuff is not cool

lol

Is there a monowhite general that's not boring as shit? I was thinking of somebody that's more combo-y and artifact friendly (artifact support would greatly help with white's ramp phobia), but most of them are something uber generic like "buff your dudes" or "debuff your enemy dudes".

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>>52501372

>>52501407
He's potentially interesting, but almost all I've seen with him is dumb smash-yo-head voltron with slow card advantage grinding. Thanks for reminding me of him tho

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>>52501372
If you want artifact combo-y shit why are you searching in the second worst possible color for that? first being green

>>52501015
>projecting this much

>>52501642
Because I've got monocolor decks for every other color already and wanted something white to complete the cycle, and I like Second Sunrise and Auriok Salvagers, but I'm just tired of even thinking about Ghostly Prisons and lifegain and flying creature beatdown.

>>52494526
Oloro was my first EDH deck, can confirm this stereotype, this was me, except for the fact I would cast Oloro for card draw/life drain. God it was terrible but I still miss it a little.

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>>52501724
How about pic related? MonoW has her and Sram that support artifact strategies.

>>52501796
Nahiri is Equipment only support though.
I was thinking something more Eggs esque. 8½ Tails as general to protect my combo pieces while I pull off some Enduring Renewal shenanigans maybe? Could I get a decklist for something similar?

>>52501859
I don't know, i think your better off with Sram's cheerios and win by storming off with Aetherflux Reservoir

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>Win 2 packs of AER in draft
>Can't use them in further FNM drafts due to Amonkhet coming out soon
What do? Crack open or sit on until a non-FNM draft is on?

opinions or recommendations for this?

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/cheerios-sram0s/

I seem to have a really high winrate (i use xmage and play against pretty strong edh decks)

Should I turn Slobad into Daretti stax?

Anyone have any opinions of Concordant Crossroads? I was sifting through an old box of cards and found it. Was wondering if there was anything especially fun I could do with it.

>>52502656
Really good in the right deck

>>52500618
It's not that we don't like to help new people, it's that there are a few new shitposters who blow everything out of proportion. To add to it, the more welcoming we are, the more we encourage other places to post here, and eventually there will be nothing left. If a new player asks something that isn't "build me a deck using this magical list of cards I own but won't tell you" or "how do I turn my precon into a pubstomper" we're usually happy to help.

>>52501372
Eight-and-a-half tails is super dynamic and versatile, but Sram seems like what you're looking for.

>>52502656
Are you in green?
Does your plan of attack require tapping or attacking with creatures?

If you answered yes to both these questions, Crossroads might be for you. It's really a godsend to not have to untap with your infinite army of death and destruction, and lets you chain mana dorks for elfball shenanigans.

>>52502089
It's two fucking packs, just crack that shit if you aren't going to draft it in the most of a month before AKH actually drops.

>>52502391
Anything that ends with Daretti Stax is generally a good idea.

>>52502701
>>52503132
The deck in question is Edric. I'm not sure how useful it'll be for my cheap, evasive dudes but I feel like it'd be a waste not to use it for anything.

>>52503581
yeah its good. you get to swing in every turn as early as turn one and draw tons as early as turn 2-3

>>52503581
I believe it would work well since it costs one mana to cast. Stays on the same pace with the flying men that edric normally uses.

>>52503595
>>52503678
That's all of the convincing I need. Into the 99 it goes.

>>52503178
>>52502391
Stax is such a fucking overrated archetype

>>52503756
Not really. It's just memesters throwing the word around, but so far I've seen two proper stax decks, most have been stupid shit like goodstuff with a MLD spell, Smokestack and Tangle Wire and nothing else.

>>52503581
Because it's symmetrical, particularily with Edric it isn't that great, provided you already have good haste enablers in equipment. Crossroads is amazing in monogreen with degenerate ramp generals like Selvala, Seton, Omnath whatever - you splurge half your deck out in one turn and Crossroads haste everything for the win.

>>52503796
What's stax for you then? GAAIV, Gaddock Teeg and?

>>52504083
Not him but I'd say Gaddock Teeg is more Hatebears than Stax. GAAIV definitely lends himself to stax more than anything.

>>52504083
Not him but, a deck who's strategy is: use fast mana to throw down lock pieces (winter orb, tangle wire, smokestacks, lodestone golem, sphere of resistance, etc), then use your mana rocks to maintain resource advantage and continue playing torpor orb, silent arbiter, crawlspace, etc type effects to control the board, once a lock is established, tutor a combo or aggro beat down the board with blightsteel and the like.

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What are some decent spells you can use to gain life every turn?

I'm planning on building Queen Marchesa and I'm going to include a few group slug effects that put damage on everyone as well as the typical black pay life draw cards type spells for myself and I wanted some things to help counteract it for myself.

I was thinking stuff along the lines of Palace Siege, Angelheart Vial, Gary, Ghost Council. Not necessarily full on dedicated life gain just something to help pay for some extra necro activations or phyrexian arena turns

>>52504293
Also bonus points if it drains multiple opponents at once while gaining me life

>>52502248
anyone? thanks

Is there a reasonable way to run Padeem as your general?

>>52494670
knolage pool
puzzle box
forgotten creation
wheel of fortune

>>52504508
>knolage

>>52494670
Teferi and Possibility Storm prevent opponents from casting spells, and is a good flavor fit for Jhoira

>>52502656
It's a must for pretty much any mono green deck that wins via stompy creatures. The closest thing green has for it is Akroma's Memorial, which costs a lost.

>>52502391
No, Slobad is bettr.

>Join local magic group from Meetup.com
>Half the group plays EDH, the others play modern.
>Group organizer decides he wants to play EDH.
>We play casual EDH.
>Group organizer clearly going about deckbuilding with a competitive modern mindset
>Afraid the result will either be conflict or other people making their decks more competitive (read: less fun) in response.


What do

>>52502248
Just curious, but why the eldrazi?

>>52504885
big end game mana sinks. i wanted to add the older eldrazi but too expensive.
any other big cost suggestions?

>>52504885
>he doesn't jam 3 eldrazi titans in every deck
Your old is showing

>>52504797
oh don't worry, that group is done for

i'm afraid EDH as a whole will die a horrible death eventually when the mentally ill spikes from the soon-dead modern format migrate over here and start playing splinter twin combos here or whatever they do

>>52504940
I was talking shit about someone who was running Teferi planeswalker and literally nothing but counterspells, bounce, draw and bribery effects, and always had mana open to counter anything, damn near unbeatable especially if you're playing something that isn't specifically designed to deal with it, and the group organizer was like "Wow that sounds like a cool deck I'll have to check it out!"

Like legit just go play Standard or something cunt

>>52505007
to be honest, it's an easy mistake to make to think that EDH is just another "i want to win" format. i mean, every other format is. people new to the format should be gently nudged in the direction of funhaving and 75% decks. some people won't listen though

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>>52481071
Someone at my local store plays Joihra, and I want to hose him since he has such a bad fucking attitude about the game and making him mad is my reason for living right now.

Any suggestions for a commander that'd allow me to play Eldrazi Processor so I can just rip his exiled cards, while still being a functioning EDH deck in both 1v1 and multiplayer?

>>52505200
Play Gaddock Teeg

>>52505218
I'm more thinking of playing blue black since I'm going to need those card effects, and I'm thinking my deck is mainly going to be eldrazi.

>>52504940
High-tier EDH is on another level than Modern. The Twin combo would get blown out.

>>52505242
Phenax would allow you to turn Eldrazi's big butts into mill if you wanted. It's not a good plan but with all the cards in the format that tutor to the top of the library it'd mean all you'd need is an untapped creature to fuck with it

Vela would give all your colorless devoid creatures Intimidate to swing through your opponents' blockers

>>52505268
I sort of need things that also allow me to rip cards from exile to anywhere else, would those allow me to do that too?

>>52488370
>Penalized for going infinite
Yeah I can kinda agree, EDH is about going big in weird stylish ways and it's kind of a kill joy when you have to cut back on flavor if you want to keep up because there are people who mechanically construct a win
>penalties for extra turns, many spells, gaining big life
well that is too far.
>>52488805
>this whole list
YOUR MEMES ARE WEAK OLD MAN

>>52505200
>>52505242
>BU
>Eldrazi
Ingest was practically made for this

>>52505365
The only cards that do that to your opponent are the processors. I think there's one white card that lets you take a card from your exile and put it into the grave.

Clockspinning is probably the card you're looking for

>>52505365
Rift-Sweeper and Pull from Eternity