/btg/ Battletech General!

claim your battletech waifu

>>52466715
Omi Kurita, obv

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>>52466715

Well, if you're going that route, let's start the thread off right.

>>52466715
Star Captain Fiona Cooper. Girly Inner Spheraboo Elementals are the best.

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>>52466715
First Girl=Best Girl

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Reposting Piranha doodle alongside the doodle of the Striker someone asked for a while back.

>>52467124
Piranha just needs M2s jutting out of the chest, rather than full shrouds. It ain't worth butt if it ain't got that jut.

>>52467124
Strikerfag here; also the Anon who asked for the Merlin. Just want to say this looks fucking great.

>>52467124
Do you think you could give the nightstar a go, maybe looking more like the shimmerauder?

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>>52466715
Lisa Hayes.

>>52467029
This man speaks truth. I like 'em a little thick in the hips.

>>52467124
That's a lot better than my Striker redesign, I gotta admit. Makes me want to revisit mine.

>>52467183
I thought that was the ERMcL version, not the MG version. (also the LA laser mount is longer by about 50-75% than the RA one). Really like the backside, though - that's a good profile period, and it really recalls the fish without being too much, well, furry faggotry.

>>52468188
Who is Lisa Hayes?

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>>52468232
AKA Misa Hayase. Look, just go watch Macross on Amazon, you'll be glad you did.

Got a quick question.
There are landmines, but are there inferno / napalm land mines not just to deal with mechs, but to cause tanks and infantry unbridled hell?

>>52457821
Submitted the issue last night, thanks for the help.

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>>52467183
The original art and models had minigun barrels on there for the Pirahna. I'm kind of usin Alex' weapon styles between clan and inner sphere to try and keep them thematically tied to their tech base.

>>52468064
You know, I just happen to have a really rough doodle of it I made in preparation for a commission, but that never really went anywhere.

>>52468188
>I thought that was the ERMcL version, not the MG version.
It's the PRA-1. 2x c-ERMcL, 1x c-ERSL, 12x machineguns

>(also the LA laser mount is longer by about 50-75% than the RA one).
Yeah, the laser on the left arm ended up too long and slim.

>>52468232

A character from anon's pedo cartoons.

>>52468188
Post your Striker, anon.

>>52468533
That actually looks pretty good, almost a bit like a King Crab/marauder hybrid
Any interest in finishing it?

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>>52466715
I gotcha.

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>>52466715
Do husbandos count?

>>52469449
>wanting to fuck somebody who killed his own mother

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>>52466715
In Clan Occupation space, waifu claims you!

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>>52468791
it's pretty low on the priority list. I've got other pieces I'm working on, and after ones like the Pirahna, Bane, Striker or the Lobo, I have two dozen other 'mechs to work on.

>>52469800
You certainly made some interesting choices for 'Mechs to work on. Especially intrigued that you are futzing with the Crimson Langur and Hellfire. Was a bit shocked at the Piranha too. Hopefully you can get most of this done before you get inundated with more requests.

Also, I'm curious; have you ever posted a design of your own creation? I'd like to see what your aesthetics are when it comes to stuff 100% out of your own head.

>>52470025
I'm not a 'mech designer, I have no clue how to start building the 'mech itself.

I mean, I can draw a bunch of unique robots but they won't be legal designs by a long shot.

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>>52468725
>Post your Striker, anon.
Apologies for the crap scan, I'm using a phone-scanner because my printer died ages ago. This is more of a sculpt breakdown at the moment, but I'm happy with the general arm and torso architecture, and the more beetling rear torso compared to the CGL "slab with a heat sink" bullshit. Please note that this is supposed to be a Star League-era design, and I'm cribbing heavily from the BLK and Mackie. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing..

>>52469800
I remember a few threads back you posted a list of books you learned/were inspired from. Can you repost it?

>>52471365
I can't for the life of me remember anymore. Basically a couple of anime art books, art books from the guy who made the original robotech designs, loads of vidya game art books.

To be perfectly honest, you're probably much better off mastering google-fu and buying a portable harddrive for reference material. I've got nearly 2 terabytes worth of science fiction artwork, screenshots, 3D renders and film clips that I mainly browse through to "inspire" myself with shapes and details.

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>>52466715

YOU THINK THIS IS A GAME?

>>52466715

Does anyone have a picture of Bailey Jay in a neurohelmet?

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Got my warhansa mechs assembled and the initial paint on them.
Left to right; Griffin, Urbanmech, Highlander, Marauder, Shadowhawk, Thunderbolt, and the King Crab for my wife.
Tomorrow we are playing a match consisting of 170 ton lances, inner sphere, succession war/age of war/star league era tech, tournament legal rules.
So far I'm thinking of running a medium lance; WTH-2, CLNT-2-3U, BJ-3, and either a PXH-1b "Special" or a PXH-3S.

>>52471814
>Random ruskies in slavland can produce high-quality plastic mech miniatures faster and better than CGL.

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I would just like to tell the anon who commissioned this, that after reading about the Scorpions conquest of Waypoint 531 in the Wars of Reaving (pg. 128) that this design could have existed omitting the interface cockpit. God I love the wars of reaving, it made the homeworld clans look like the monsters they are.

>>52471926
Right? Definitely 10/10 gonna order again.
Wife wants 2 Crabs to go with her King Crab.
I need to think about what else I'd want or need. I don't think there are anymore unseens he has. (I have the Warhammer, Rifleman, Archer, Longbow, and Phoenix Hawk in addition to what I have here >>52471814)

>>52466715
I DON'T NEED WAIFUS, I ONLY NEED TO JAG HARDER

>>52471947
>The event that eventually led to Clan Burrock and Blood Spirit being denied the grueling, crawling over each other, brutal bloodbath they both deserved to have and instead had Star Adder and their Burrock boytoys collectiviely ram them like Isis.
>Star Adder
>S T A R A D D E R
Guess who I dislike

>>52472172
I'd like to get some but the local group near me is run by A CGL Demo guy
Yes, its like how you think

>>52472172
>Wife wants 2 Crabs to go with her King Crab.
CRABBED.com

>>52472233
Fucking wank snakes
>>52472217
There would actually probably be clanners who think like that, wouldn't there?

>>52472288
Is he like the one we have here were he only lets us use his minis?
I didn't play there again.

Is the IRC down?

>>52471814
Thin your fucking paints nigger

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>>52472296
She has a hardon for the C3i variants for both.

>>52472233
>star adders
The first time in battletech history where a Drakensis fanfic was less masturbatory than the canon events

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>>52471814
That Marik Shad is delicious. I don't like Hansa's version of the bigger 'Mechs (especially the Thud and its weedy little gun), but the smaller ones are pretty tasty. And that King Crab.. Mmmm.

>>52472443
He follows the rule about MWO miniatures veryyy stringently and hates non-battletech miniatures in his games.

>>52472741
Damn that sux. My group here gives no fucks. The only downside is one of them is a introtech 3025 only grognard.

>>52469492
I want her to brake my arms for trying to reach into her dress.

What is the best use for ultra-light designs? Are they worth it? Post your custom ultra-light designs

>>52473023
Get out, you illiterate gayboy

>>52473023

>brake

>noun: a thing that slows or hinders a process.
>"Anon's parents put the brakes on his mental development by dropping him on his head as a baby."

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>>52471773

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Doctor Pavel, I'm the society.

>>52473069
>Are they worth it?

No

>>52473410
I mean, it isn't what I meant, but the idea can stand on its own.

https://blainepardoe.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/battletech-april-fools-day-operation-total-freakin-awesomeness/

>>52473069
1. FAST. Or else industrialmechs that don't need to be any heavier to do whatever thing they're made to do.

2. Not all that much. Just as you're better off with a two ton assault BA than a two ton protomech, 10-15 ton protomechs are generally better for stuff than mechs of that weight.

>>52473069
>What is the best use for ultra-light designs
Using the maximum number of weight-saving tech items to go absurdly fast

>>52473762
I made it four paragraphs into the "story". What are the odds this is what WoB plays on repeat in it's reeducation camps.

>>52473762

He clearly stole that story from someone because it incorporates no characters of a Scottish heritage or references to the American Civil War though.

Thoughts on the Gotha aerospace fighter?

Specifically the -400, -500, and -600 variants?

>>52474057
http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php?topic=2521.0 ?

>>52474057

Gothas are slow. 5/8 is not the best since it limits you to going after things that are, usually, 20-40 tons heavier. They will have better armour and more guns on average. They also have just one ton of ammo for the LRMs, which means that after 4 turns you can be stuck with a quarter of the Gotha's mass as dead weight.

The -400 has fairly weak armour, so you'd better hope you get a lot of decisive thresholds from the PPC and/or LRMs.

The -500 improves on the armour a little by giving it Ferro-Aluminium,but it's still slow, the armour still isn't up to modern levels, and the LRMs are still going to exhaust their ammo too fast. The -500b shits the bed by making the PPC a Large Pulse Laser which reduces its range and damage, then adds Artemis to the LRMs so you can waste 17 tons after 4 turns.

The -600 still has shit armour and sacrifices a lot of range for what it gets. At least the change in engine size means it moves as fast as the average medium fighter, but the use of an LFE over an XLFE means that modern fighters will still slap its shit in since they have more guns and more armour.

Looks pretty badass though, for what little that matters.

>>52470144
You could practice by doing other people's customs on commission. Or free. Or however you want. There's no shortage of people with custom rides they'd want art for, and if you have any notions about doing stuff for the /btg/TRO you'd need the practice translating concepts to paper anyway.

>>52470869
Looks quite a bit like the Loose art; I'm guessing you were looking to correct it?

>>52473069
Fun fact: with an XL engine and Endo Steel, and LFF armor, you can make a Wasp 1A at 15 tons, saving a lot of materials for other things. It costs less Cbills than a base 1A to boot. I considered making some ma & pa firm that does ultralight versions of the Bugs because they are even cheaper than the standard ones, and being lighter means they would be easier to store in say, a city as a police unit or something, which is what ultralights excel at.

>>52474286
>police unit
What are the best mechs for police units?

>>52474286
>and if you have any notions about doing stuff for the /btg/TRO you'd need the practice translating concepts to paper anyway.

Are you working on that?

>>52474351
Anything with Machine Guns, because they can use rubber suppression rounds, or Fluid Guns for water cannons. There are also Tear Gas rounds for the SRM. There are a few existing actual 'Mechs like the Copper and the Peacemaker, but I've read a few places that Bugs are in use as well, usually modified.

>>52474365
Nah, I just mentioned it offhand. I'm not cruising for free art or anything either, if that's a concern. Just jawing with you about it. You're a good artist so I was just waxing about possibilities. Truth be told I would like to see some of your stuff in the book though.

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>>52474286
>you'd need the practice translating concepts to paper anyway

This is harder than it sounds.

>>52474800
Oh I know it is for sure. I've been trying to draw a single 'Mech for weeks. I have... a rough idea how I want the shoulders and forearms/hands to look. That's really it. I have like no art skill at all though so it's really slow going. Mad props to people who can draw technical/mechanical stuff. I used to be able to draw people a long time ago but never was able to git gud at drawing tech.

>>52473762
>https://blainepardoe.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/battletech-april-fools-day-operation-total-freakin-awesomeness/

>Lieutenant Cody Whiplash Brightstar- callsign Tight-Testicles, piloted his family’s Stinger ™ with ease. BattleMech’s ® had been the cross-dressing kings of the battlefield for over 30 centuries (give or take 28 centuries or so).

Blaine Pardoe confirmed ancap

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>>52474576
I am not convinced rubber rounds out of .50cals will be less than lethal. I mean if you get hit in the knee that joint is wrecked, if it hits you in the head you are dead. Maybe a hit to your side would just break ribs. I guess technically this is an improvement over fmj, just not sure how much of one.

>>52475140
Eh, they're in the rules is all I was saying. Whether they're actually viable/realistic is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

>>52475140
>Any house caring about police lethality

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Hey Shimmy you on? Got a question for you.

Just picked up your new Wasp mini at Guardian(you know the place) and was wondering about one of the parts. It "looks" like a three "barrel" comm antenna but i've only got one of them and none of the art for your Wasp has it included.

Anything you can do to clear this up?

>>52475140
Beanbag rounds out of shotguns are roughly .60 cal so your statement doesn't make much sense. A 'mech's machine guns are electrically driven, so they don't need impulse to cycle the action like a regular gun would.

>>52475140
I would imagine that they'd have very light loads under heavy projectiles, more like a 12 gauge beanbag than anything else
Hell, maybe more like plastic shells full of rubber balls, shoot at the ground and throw stingballs everywhere

>>52475159
I feel ya.

>>52475196
Your right. I was just trying to think through in my head the consequences of this. I didn't know of this ammo type previously.

>>52475290
I was going to talk about mass and velocity with you, but >>52475397 makes a good point. Maybe the load these rounds light.

>>52475427
Yes, you can talk mass and velocity all day long. Which is why I mentioned the electrically driven part. They don't need recoil to cycle the action yadda yadda. They can shoot soft, like how beanbags are fired and typically out of pump-actions since low-velocity/low-recoil rounds like that don't cycle reliably in semi-autos.

>>52475450
This just in, sky is blue, water is wet, and rubber rounds have light loads. News at 11.

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>>52474286
>Looks quite a bit like the Loose art; I'm guessing you were looking to correct it?
Kind of. I want to have a few, but the design is so goddamned fucking ugly. So I'm doing a refinement concept to start sculpting with. I really like the back and gun-mounts, and the Mackie-derived AC makes me happy. Not sure if I'm going to keep the original asymmetry, but regardless I want it to be recognizably a) Star League and b) a Striker. Just not so fucking hideous.

Because Knights in Shining Potatoes.

>>52475572
Well good luck Anon. I kinda like the Striker myself, but I like mass-produced generic troopers like the Striker, Merlin, and Vindicator, so it'd be good to see a mini of it that's decent. I honestly was kind of hoping MWO would grab it since it has no "unseen" issues and we'd get an FD version but between Sketchanon doing his, which looks great, and you trying to update the mini, I can't say I'm entirely unhappy.

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>A Binary

I don't know if anyone's seen it yet, but this BT april fools post is hilarious.,

https://blainepardoe.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/battletech-april-fools-day-operation-total-freakin-awesomeness/

>>52476572
I can feel the brain cells dying. 10/10.

>>52476572
>used tanks for rollerskates and greased their actuators with the blood of dead infantry who dared oppose them.

God, this makes me miss Citytech rules.

>>52476572
>tfw cant pick from Clan Nova Shart or Ivory Poachers

>>52477871
Those were my two favorites too. But Ivory Poachers are my favorite, as the natural rival of Clan Space Jew.

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okay, random drunk thought.

Is there any mention in BT of RL strange interstellar phenomenon like Black holes besides the blakist hyperspace bases?

Why the fuck is hyperspace in autocorrect?

>>52478014
Yes. Certain places are very hard to traverse or took a long time to colonize due to various stellar phenomena. The Pleiades Cluster, Pirate's Haven Cluster, Draconis Rift, Veil of Kerensky, and lots of others fall into this.

Rarely comes up in the novels though since you either have people that have routes calculated through the crap over hundreds of years or nobody goes there.

Also, Blakist hyperspace bases weren't real. They're just the rumors of Blakist hyperspace work, the first real advancement in that department in over five hundred years, turned up to eleven. Liberty Station could have easily been "a secret hyperspace base". Not on any map. Place where they developed Clarion Call, built the first SHPG, and wrote the programs for superjumps. So it was both a secret base and devoted immensely to hyperspace stuff. Contrast that to the rumors of MD's living on the surface of suns in some kind of shifted dimension.

>>52478056
>Also, Blakist hyperspace bases weren't real.

>Republicucks actually believe this

>>52474286
>You could practice by doing other people's customs on commission,

Doing that.

It's not translating concepts or vague ideas I have a problem with, it's the technical side of building a battlemech or omnimech that fits within the ruleset of the game.

If I started designing my mech idea, I would end up with stuff like dual ATM9 dual heavy PPC, guardian ECM clan XL things, or dual shoulder mounted HAG 20 and fucktons of lasers quad 'mech with a bipedal mechs upper torso.

>>52478721
This reminded me of something interesting. Did you guys know that out of all the allies of the Word of Blake, the only ones that never abandoned them or didn't die were the Taurians?

Even at the end of the war, you have the Taurian leadership bemoaning the WoB HPG crews and training forces leaving Taurian space for reaches unknown and going "Our friends are leaving. Why? Do they not think we can protect them?"

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>>52467124
that Piranha side view, I love you.

55 ton trio getting their 2017 redraws.

>>52479174
Don't worry bullbros, we'll be back someday soon

>>52479608
>No art of Taurians and Wobbies drinking beer together and launching nukes

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>>52478056

>Blakist hyperspace bases weren't real
>basically everything in Jihad Conspiracies was confirmed as canon
>"weren't real"

>>52479174
Well Taurians are one of the only objectively good countries in bt.

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>>52473069
A while back (like, a year or two) we had two idiots stinking the thread up, one babbling about IS protomechs and the other about Savannah Master swarms. I made this to shut them both the hell up. (It failed, of course.)

>>52479774
I'm from Brockway and I say kill 'em all!

>>52478014
>Why the fuck is hyperspace in autocorrect?

Blame Star Wars.

>>52479749
Hyperspace bases are in Interstellar Players 2, though

>>52480113
Not him but ISP 2 is subtitled Jihad Conspiracies. Like ISP 3 is Interstellar Expeditions.

My point would be stuff like the Genecaste wound up being true but not to the degree of a bunch of crazy ass crap that it implied. Same with Blakist hyperspace. They did a lot of stuff but living in hyperspace itself is bullshit. The books are never 100% true, but they have truth in them.

Like the Philadelphia wound up being found and wasn't eaten by space squids. 6th of June wound up being real. That sort of thing.

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>>52473069
I just got this. Although it ain't much.

>>52480172
Fuck, I mistake it for Jihads secrets: Blake documents

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What the fuck am I reading, it's so bad it's amazing!

Megamek 43.1 just released.

>>52480216
No one is going to point out this isn't an ultralight? Because it's 35 tons.

>>52481555
Thanks for the heads up, now I can play the move all my assets over to a new release game.

>>52481825
>lyranultralight.webm

>>52472172

>Your wife wants to run an all-crab lance

Wife her again dammit.

>go to a teams game
>tell my team I'll be bringing some solid assaults to anchor our force
>show up
>pull out a Grand Titan and Albatross

April Fools m8!

Who's looking forward to the civil war update in MWO?

Anybody got the rules for tonight's /btg/ match? Another 2 mechs at 4K?

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>>52478721
>Implying the republicucks aren't running a disinformation campaign to hide their leadership being on said bases.

>>52478912
>If I started designing my mech idea, I would end up with stuff like dual ATM9 dual heavy PPC, guardian ECM clan XL things
Legal (though very >go home, Sea Fox, you're drunk) in the Dark Age.

>or dual shoulder mounted HAG 20 and fucktons of lasers quad 'mech with a bipedal mechs upper torso.
Technically legal-ish too. Look up Quadvees in IntOps. I mean, it'd have to be stupid huge to pull it off, but the official design on those things is retarded anyway.

>>52479832
>babbling about IS protomechs
Hey, that was at least three of us, and IIRC more like five on various levels of the spectrum Hi, I'm "the tech exists by the 3100s but only the Caps and Dracs would be insane/evil enough to shove amputee teenagers and quadriplegics into a death box."

>Sav Master Swarms
Eh, dealt with them before more than once. In the 3060s it's not a problem at all. If you actually invest in some fucking lights/fast mediums and play well at all it's not even a problem in Grogtech, just incredibly annoying.

>>52481825
Screw me. I thought ultra light XXL engine. Disregard bogey maneuvers.

I'm interested in doing something different and making an Azami/Arkab Legion force for my players to use in a campaign.

Are there any units that might particularly stand out for the Arkab to use, or is it all just standard DCMS gear?

Additionally, what all are the Azami worlds? And are there any other Muslim-influenced worlds/states in BT?

Is there anything like this in the BattleTech universe?

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1491020848293.webm

>>52482751

No, because only mechs are allowed to blatantly ignore the square-cube law.

>>52482808
>inb4 branths
>>52482751
Source?

>>52482751
That big flying whale monster either looks like some throw away from the Darius shmup video game series, or my last ex-gf after a few years of being dumped by me. I can't tell which. They move about the same.

>>52482287
Bumping this. We are still having a game in three or four hours right?

>>52482751
Not quite that big and nothing in the sky, but there's dinosaurs, giant crabs, sea serpents, space dragons, bloodsucking cockroaches the size of car hoods, bigfoot, etc.

>>52476572
>Like his ‘Mech, his unit could trace its origins back to the Star League, as could all of the really good and hip mercenary units. The 12259th had opted to remain in the Inner Sphere when General Kerensky left the Inner Sphere to go and found the Clans. They could have gone, but they were way too cool to just be a bunch of followers. They had fought for all of the major houses and had been betrayed by all of them at one point or another…because that’s what cool mercenary units do, get betrayed. Even ComStar rated them as “Posers,” which Brightstar treated as a badge of honor because ComStar was so damned weird to begin with. The constant double-dealing and selling-out by their employers had given the Lightfoot Lancers a reputation of not only being awesome but somewhat a flight risk.

It's the Northwind Highlanders!

>>52482842
>Source?

It's footage from a proof-of-concept trailer of a "wish-we-could-make-it-someday" CGI movie called "The Leviathan".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3H0-lv6D3M

>>52483647
>“You’ll be dead before the end of the first salvo,” Tech Sergeant Chen said to Brightstar.

>“I have a plan,” Cody said with confidence that came from two bottles of Benadryl and a handful of pills he found in a men’s room floor.

>“You pilot a bloody Stinger ™, Chen replied. “You’d be better off wrapping yourself in aluminum foil and carrying an Airsoft pistol.”
>Despite that, and the fact that she had been genetically bred for war, and had trained her entire life for battle, in a society where warriors were the epitome, and that her ‘Mech had superior technology…Cody felt he had a good chance of taking her down. Part of that was his confidence in his skills. The other part was bold arrogance capped off by a copious amount of cheap vodka he had just consumed.

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My OC from a few years ago

Wanted something a little zippy with a high mounted AC/2 and ECM

Played only 1 game with it. Works pretty well for staying away long enough to chip away some damage.

>>52483982
Forgot to say this is Pre-Clan tech. Not sure if that's obvious.

>>52483982
It's like a Shad but worse.

>>52482613
They're mostly lights and mediums, I believe. So Panthers, Jenners, Spiders, Phoenix Hawks, Wolverines, and whatever others the Dracs build.

Of note is one Arkab legion has heavier elements than the others. And at least the 2nd apparently had preserved Star League era mechs possibly up to spec that surprised the Clans.

For heavy support the following mechs were built on Azami worlds and would fit for command rides: Atlas, Hatamoto-chi, Catapult and Bombardier.

Brawl still going down in a few hours?

>>52481094
What

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I bought a ton of purple paint for some purple burds. Someday I will reach tabletop standard.

>>52485093

See http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Critter-TEK

>>52485145
What's the appeal of purple birds?

>>52485189
They are not the Capellan Confederation, Draconis Combine, Federated Suns, or the Lyran Commonwealth

>>52484957
Also waiting on this

>>52485210
What's wrong with the Confederation or Suns?

>>52485350

Nothing. He just hates communists.

>>52485410
>He just hates communists.
Who doesn't?

>>52485536
>>He just hates communists.Who doesn't?
Comunists?

Also, being april fools and all is there a .pdf of TTS: BOB about? also, anything this year?

>>52485189
Banging their heads.

>>52485536
What's wrong with communism? It's never really been tried, and the Confederation seems closest to a functioning version of it. Free healthcare, education, etc.

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>>52485879
>It's never really been tried
It's been attempted multiple times. One collapsed, one is now our country-sized factory that exploits its workers, and one is a hermit state perpetually on the brink of collapse.
>>52485879
>Free healthcare, education, etc.
Healthcare and education does not a socialist state make.

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>>52485879
Don't make me come over there, pinko.

>>52486025
Not him, but the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea weren't/aren't communist nations since communism is a moneyless, classless and stateless society.

>>52486025
>One collapsed
Nevertheless leaving behind a power structure and legacy that keeps its component parts together as a superpower to this very day.
>one is a country-sized factory that exploits its workers
So it is a modern nation state.

Additionally, if we're counting the PRC as communist (which people seem to love to do selectively as it suits their rhetorical needs, without ever asking the Chinese themselves) then ignoring Vietnam is just rude. Both are modern, industrialized/industrializing and relevant world powers.
Furthermore, where's this evidence that Cuba's perpetually on the brink of collapse? Because if it's from U.S.-borne Cubans, then literally no one else cares.

Opposing communism based on geopolitical outcomes is faulty at best.

>>52486092
They are still states run by parties whose guiding mission was to achieve the end-goal of communism. The actual aims of the actors involved may be unrelated to it, and functionally they managed at best socialist functionalities, but they still profess(ed) an end-goal of full communism.

Chinese colleges still teach about Marxist-Leninist, Maoist and otherwise socialist/communist works. It is pivotal to their national dogma.

>>52486092
Communism, even assuming people don't abuse the system, simply doesn't work because there are no price signals to transmit true information.

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>>52466715
Claimed

>>52486210
>They are still states run by parties whose guiding mission was to achieve the end-goal of communism.

I read in Pravda, so it has to be true.

>>52485879
There's that time they killed about seventy million people including about a dozen of my relatives

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>>52486259
>Butthurt commies

History has ended, get over it.

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>>52485536
>>52485795
>>52485879
>>52486025
>>52486028
>>52486092
>>52486142
>>52486210
>>52486237
>>52486259
>>52486298

What did I start??

>>52486283

Same here, but I don't blame that on communism, but rather the racist paradigms that caused the genocidial actions to begin with (aka remove all steppe peoples).

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>>52486283
It was an accident! A koinkidink! Imperialist spies! Nazis! A terrible flood! Locusts! It wasn't my fault, I swear to Marx!

>>52486210
>they managed at best socialist functionalities
Even Gorbachev said he created a crude form of socialism at best. Those nations were state capitalist.

>>52486407
Funny how a country aiming for socialism ends up ending up in state capitalism.

>>52486407
>a person who wants to preserve communism's reputation calling his failure the thing he hates

Shocking

>>52486566
That's what happens when you don't listen to your closest friend's warning. You find yourself in Mexico with an ice pick in you.

>>52486283
>your relatives exploit the workers and peasants and so face revolutionary justice for it
>"boo hoo dey dindu nuffin dey wuz gud capitalists"

Fuck off, they had it coming and you're on the wrong side of history

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>>52486650
Trying a bit too hard there, here's a (You) for trying anyway

>>52486974
i was trying to fit in with what I assumed was the April fools shitpost debate

>>52486650
Dumb niggyr, I bet you're a black guy living in a $800,000/yr condo paid by your professional "activist" career.

>>52487096
That pic has me wondering: is there anything inherently morally wrong with slavery? It's practiced in the Combine, Magistracy and Confederation and those are all righteous states.

>>52487101
>want to be a tough online racist
>afraid to write "nigger"
really activates my almonds

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>>52486142
>>52486350
>>52486650
>The Pirate Republic in the Bahamas lasted longer then either anarchist Spain or the Free Territory of the Ukraine.
Communism has no excuses

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>>52487117
Depends on your set of beliefs. For example, I believe in liberty for all people.

>>52487117
Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.

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>>52487142
>Missing a pun meme from /vg/'s /gerg/ thread

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>>52487117
>All of these are righteous states
Never slaves

>>52487252
>Calderon Protectorate
My bretheren of spinward descent.

>>52482195
My Shadow Hawk is ready for an RAC5.

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>>52482195
My Uziel will be. It shall be a glorious shitshow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxLYp1FI8s8
>House Marik
Hopefully someone can pull some images from this

>>52487560
>using the dual PPC version

You are not a man

>>52487560
>Memories of dual-ppc Uziel in MW4 multiplayer
*Distant Pop-Tart noises*

>>52486283

Damn, it's a shame they missed one.

>>52487192
Why?

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>>52487721

>>52482195

Every single one of my mechs currently owned is being held SPECIFICALLY for the Civil War update.

And i'll be fucking shit up at glacial speed in my Annihilator.

>>52487688
It's the only piece of art I have of it that doesn't look like shite.

>>52487728
Why not?
>>52487753
The Highlander may be viable with MRMs.

>>52487769
How do MRMs work in MWO?

>>52487822
Currently they're not implemented.

>Sergeant Heironymo Danner: Sergeant Danner and his squad of Fusilier battlesuits were the survivors of the raid on Nihal in 3139. Upon their return to New Syrtis, they were immediately offered upgrades to the advanced Fusilier suit, but all four troopers refused. When pressed by their CO, who was afraid of offending the noble patron who’d procured the suits, Danner is reported to have said “When someone offers you a shiny new sword, it does no one any good to fall on it.” Taking its cue from Danner, the rest of the Fusilier company in the CMM exchanged their Fusiliers for original models.

lolwut

>>52487858
I don't get it either

>>52487769

I'll be trying MRMs out on a Catapult first before i try them on an Assault.

>>52475989
>A bunch of Dark Caste Bandits kill a Binary of Diamond Shark Omnimechs and make off with two fucking new Warhawks
>Leader is drunk 24/7
Nice

>>52487858
>the noble patron who’d procured the suits

Now I'm just seeing FS units getting NASCAR-style sponsorships based on how many Cappies they kill. "Bubba Jr. the Cappie Killer from Arby 5, at the Victoria Slaughterena for the first time in five years - sponsored by GM New Valencia! "

>>52487895
Fuck that, my Atlas is gonna get as many MRMs as it can fit, and that'll be it.

>>52487560
The misalignment of the PPC bolts is really triggering me

>>52487753
I'll admit I do want to run an Annihilator with as man AC/2s as I can put on it. Barring that, I guess that Cyclops that has all the Ballistic slots in the RT.

>>52487822
I'm curious how they'll do this too. My guess is just "missile swarm that shoots straight ahead" with some RNG mechanic that makes X number of missiles shoot wider than the standard spread. Like how LB-10Xs already work.

>>52487895
God help me if they add RLs.

>>52488059
They are.

Where can I find out more about the internal conflict in Clan Hell's Horses over following Malvina vs not following Malvina?

>>52488074
Actually, RLs will suck because of the hardpoint system, unless for some reason they make it so RLs only take half a hardpoint or something. Or maybe the advantage will be that they don't require hardpoints?

/btg/ game loading in. got 5 guys, need more bodies.

Join the IRC if you want in the game.

>>52488159
What tier? Sassy "Zorg" Sauron booting up.

>>52488159
>>52488188
>>52488239
No wait, you meant Megamek, didn't you.

I feel self-conscious about my weight now.

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>>52488335
Why? All weight classes have value anon. From fatlas to flea.

>>52488368
A human's weight isn't supposed to be measured in tons.

>>52488368
Is that...an Avatar? If it is, muh dick

>>52488408
Yeah one of the drawfags made it and it kicks ass.

>>52485145
Well, your basing is top fucking notch. Paint quality is definitely tt-standard, although not really display quality.

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>>52488368
that avatar hhhnnggg

new thread
>>52473527

>>52488914
Very funny faggot, but we're at post 200. Try again in a hundred posts.

>>52488914
It doesn't work when:

1.) What >>52488956 said.
2.) Hovering over the post number shows what it links to.

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looking at first unit to die, take your bets

>>52487560
I had an Uziel in MW4 mercs just for Solaris matches that was just a RAC5 in one side torso and an LB10-X in the other and as much ammo as I could pack. Was for strictly for Solaris, and I can't wait to see what level of shit tier it will be when I recreate it.

Looking into trying out the Celestials. I've heard that most of the configs are terrible. Which configs should I check out?

>>52489421
Infernus figs tend to be good. Invictus tend to suck. Others vary. I like most configs of the preta myself. Deva and the Grigori can be fun as well.

>>52489451
Luminos look like good zombies, are they worth it?

>>52489505
I would have to look at them again. It has been a long time since I ran celestials. They probably are.

>>52489538
Thanks

Is Munnin around? I'd like his input as well.

>>52488100
I'll be adding RLs to my ER Large Locust build and pulling out the SRM2s for an extra nasty one shot to someones ass.

What are some good Blakist mechs to use?

Either original designs or variants of classics.

>>52489756
Could it be that RLs actually become the holdout/alpha strike weapons they were intended in the tabletop? Not that I dislike RL spam designs (to the contrary actually) but that wasn't really the intent of the weapon.

>>52489764
Lightray
Gurkha
Toyama
Buccaneer

those are off of the top of my head. They have some good variants of mechs too. Like the crab and Shootist.

How would you fix Draconian 'Mechs?

Would it be something as simple as using good DHS and not using MRMs?

>>52489934
Here's an interesting idea for the MRMs. Why not give them a -1 TH, but a +1 on the cluster table? Reflects their lack of guidance system, but because of the larger numbers, they have a greater likelihood to hit.

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If there is one thing you would change in 'Mech designs (pick as many 'Mechs as you would like), what would it be?

For me, I would SHRINK the missiles on basically every single 'Mech that isn't the Whitworth, because seriously, the HUGE missile racks on like 99% of 'Mech designs with missile weapons are like way too oversized, to the point that you would need a pocket dimension to store their ammo (the Timber Wolf blueprints/schematics come to mind, especially).

Even the Whitworth looks like it might have trouble fitting 120+ rounds of LRM missiles in its "compact" body, but hey, at least it's a start.

>>52490060
But that would make sense.

>>52490060

Because that would make MRMs okay-ish instead of a mook weapon for a mook faction.

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a breath of fresh air in an evening of horrible despair.

>>52490440
Xin sheng, brother!

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Earlier in the thread there were talks about police 'mechs. Here's my refined version from a few threads ago.

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>>52490463
Which is based off of this lovely beast.

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>>52490060
I'd play that.

>>52489934
>How would you fix Drac 'Mechs?
It's kind of a complex problem. Some designs are fundamentally >good<, but have a few flaws (like the Grand Dragon, Hatamoto, etc). Others are just shit, but there are quite a few salvageable or niche designs. The Daikyu, for example, is a decent AA machine once they put LB-5X on it, and the -02 is a brutal infighter. But the base machine is middling at best.

As you say, the lack of DHS is a big problem, and the reason the Panther sucks for years; getting one of the worst weapons systems ever designed as a "signature" system does't help either. But after that there's a few other things to do.

First off, you need to give them access to a few more designs, or at least make them more widespread. The 3039 retcons helped with that, even though the Sentinel is an utter turd and the Bombardier is right up there with it. Quentin helps a lot too, yet a lot of Drac players avoid using the machines because Muh Samurais.

Some designs got patched in the Jihad/Dark Age books; the HPPC Gallowglas is mean as hell and they get a number of brutal EWAR and melee designs. Some even got retconned into the 3050s, like the LRM-15/ArtIV Catapults. The LAC-5 Mauler is an amusing bodyguard for a missile lance, but it has problems. -3R is fun as hell though.

I will say that a lot of the "problems" with the Drac inventory come from playing exclusively in 3000-3028 and 3050-3058 environments. Expand a little past that and the selection isn't quite so dismal.

>>52490132
I always thought missiles in BT should have been Thunderbolts from the start, with unguided rockets being the "swarm firing" weapons. Exposed missiles that are huge would make slightly more sense that way, since there are no reloads. You'd simply be advertising how many shots you have, and through FASA Magic™, they are just as armored as their locations so they don't detonate when you look at them funny.

But I mean, it's giant walking robots. There's got to be a limit as to what you find offensive regarding realism.

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>>52490463
Here's one of mine. Joke is that it's designed to be WARCRIMES INCORPORATED but being marketed as a police 'Mech.

>>52489779

I intend to use them as such. ER Large for sniping and RLs for back stabbing alphas. We will see how they perform.

>>52490585
This is making me want to play MWO again but I fucked up and bought the wrong variant of a 'Mech and wasted 8m Cbills, and now I just don't want to play anymore because looking at it makes me mad. I know it's not THAT much grinding but still. It's annoying.

That said, I am kind of bewildered that they're going to include RLs. I figured they were low on the list. It'd be nice if that meant they were going to include Periphery factions you can join along with it.

>>52490640

i restarted playing again only because Civil War is coming out.

>>52490640
What mech did you buy?

>>52488088
The only thing I could think of was the 415 ER and FM, and the OF suggested Bonfire of Worlds as well

>>52489558
There's not really a solid "Luminos rock Infernus suck" rule or anything.

>>52490745
A Cyclops. I bought the 10-Z and meant to buy the 11-A.

>>52490837
What build were you hoping for?

>>52490870
Something with all of the dakka. I don't spend real sheckels on the game so I wouldn't be getting the hero and it's the next closest thing.

>>52490803
>There's not really a solid "Luminos rock Infernus suck" rule or anything.

Well more overall what are your favorite configs for the Celestials.

>>52490907
Oh well, guess you're gonna do laser vomit instead.

http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=436&l=e2d6160a3ac43d0853409c8b8d8f6e3e8ee386b1

>>52490440
You, ma'am, have triggered my autism.

It's the 'FIVE point palm exploding heart technique'!

>>52490907
>>52491002
Or, if you wanna go slower for more heatsinks.
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=436&l=132023f37b70c1c5aea325e58f1d534b10d4b49d

>>52490907
>>52491002
>>52491056
http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/mechlab#i=436&l=d84e86bfd06488c1987efe93f2026426f6f693c7

>>52487858
>>52487883
It just means they have some concerns of the new suits being a trap to make them indebted to the noble offering them. As in "I got you those new suits now you do my bidding or else."

>>52491002
>>52491056
>>52491222
Eh, or I could not be a bitch and go grind 4m Cbills. Laser vomit is lame.

>>52491237
It's a twist on the old mercenary owned-via-company-store trick, except it's leverage through nobility and politicking.

>>52491222
Six ML seems too heavy for this with the AC 20 there too, you are only going to get a few vollies before you are too hot to keep using them. Cutting them down to 3 can cram in two more heat sinks and an extra ton of AC 20 ammo.

Rock the cockpit and keep people shaking so they make a bunch of mistakes.

What would make for a good addition to the classic Saladin/Scimitar/Saracen trio? A PPC sled?

>>52491251
Do the April Fool's event, it awards 3mil C-Bills in prizes. No need to buy an UrbanMech. It's still on for abother 36 hours or something.

>>52492795
I feel like some medium range stuff could work. Keep it cheap and simple like a hover-Po? With the ICE the PPC loses some of it's shine.

>>52492998
I guess I could give it a shot. I'm not very good at the game though so I can't see myself getting any of that cash. I can break 200 damage no sweat but staying alive is another story.

>>52493107
Sniper 'Mech or Missile boat. I did it in a Marauder with a Gauss and ERPPCs from which I had stripped all but a single ton of ammo. Stay at range and hit everyone with lightning.

The UAV one is even easier - Spot one, drop one, pop one of your own, done.

KMDD vs an assault 'Mech... well, just bring your dakka builds.

Secret Challenge seems to be "die surrounded by enemies shooting at you," so runing into the enemy team is perfectly valid, I think it awards another mil on top of a special warhorn.

>>52493484
Hm. I guess I better stop dying away from the main battle then. I'm pretty sure I can get the ammo depletion one, and we'll see about the UAV one. I'll admit I've never even used one.

>>52493514
You're missing out on a good chunk of XP, a few C-Bills, information about the OpFor's composition and direction, target info, and the sweet bonus of your teammates seeing all that shit too. Sure, each UAV costs 40k, but that's easily remedied with a win or even a dcent loss.

>>52493608
Yeah. I'll do it next time I fire up the game.

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Is there any online source from which I could browse 'mech loadouts? Like the technical sheets, seeing what sort of actuators they have, what sort of sensors they're packing, and where their weapons are supposed to be located?

>>52494343

Only Sarna.net, but be prepared for a huge amount of it to be wrong.

I'd DL MegaMek, you can see most of the details on the unit selection screen.

>>52490132
>For me, I would SHRINK the missiles on basically every single 'Mech that isn't the Whitworth, because seriously, the HUGE missile racks on like 99% of 'Mech designs with missile weapons are like way too oversized, to the point that you would need a pocket dimension to store their ammo (the Timber Wolf blueprints/schematics come to mind, especially).

The 1% that got space for ammo would be left with no space for anything else in those torsor sections, as far as I can tell.

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>>52494965
LRMs are 8.3 kilos each, putting them at about the same mass as a Hydra or FFAR rocket. They should be about 70mm, where as the LRMS on some mech designs look to be 120 to 200mm.

This would run into a problem where, well, 70mm rockets on a 8 meter machine are pretty damn small.

SRMs are 10 kilograms each and tend to look like 100-120mm ATGM designed to be fired by infantry.

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Is AToW a good system?
I understand it's not exactly well-designed, or well explained in the core book, but once you figure out how to make it work, is it at least fun to play?

>>52495905

Doesn't seem any better or worse than any other Scifi system, honestly. This being said, I haven't played it.

>>52492795
There is a canon hover vee called the PPC carrier. It's from one of the turning point books. IIRC, it is technically 1 ton underweight though.

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>>52495341
For what it's worth, we get SRMs that are described as 60MM on some designs

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>>52496293
No.

>>52496557
I've got good news and bad news. Good news? It really is a TRO mech_____________________________________ Bad news? I don't really have any, I just wanted to get your hopes up.

>>52475210
There may or may not be weapon variant parts in the kit, but you'd have to show me a picture to ID what you're talking about.

Since the game last night ended up tiny, anybody want to do a /btg/ fight tonight?

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>>52492795
>>52496259
HTP: Glengarry. It's in the first trove but hard to find - 35TP002. Uses the Scimitar's art, but it's only a 20-tonner (instead of the usual 35) with the same speed profile. Which means it has basically no armor.

>>52497268
I'm interested but I sadly don't get off work until 7pm EST.

>>52492795
Well, for starters making some more upgraded versions.

Extant:
• Up-armored, LBX, and Ultra-20 versions of the Salad-shooter.
• LRM conversion of the Scimitar (actually quite a nice support unit - LRM-15 instead of the AC/5 and that's about it).
• NARC/TAG/ twin SRM-4 Scimitar (this one is fun as HELL)
• MRM conversion of the Saracen (dear God WHY)
• C3/RAC-2 Scimitar (eh).

Any further stacked-SRM versions are stepping on the toes of the Pegasus, which is jut fine as-is. I could definitely see an AC/10 version, as >>52493030
points out.

Personally, though, I'd like to see a "tank-killer" version of the Scimitar with a stack of Light-Fives or an LB-10X and a couple of SRMs, an XLFE version of the Salad-shooter with a Heavy Gauss Rifle (because Lyrans gonna Lyran), and something Blakie with a Snubbie, SRMs, and C3i. Not to mention the inevitable and highly-necessary Saracen with a turret full of MMLs and enough ammo to go roast some fucking infantry.

>>52497268
How do yo guys play online?

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>>52497935
>How do yo guys play online?
Get onto IRC.rizon.net #battletech. They announce the server there. I use Chatzilla as my IRC client, but it's really easy to find others.

Download the latest version of Megamek to connect to the game. It'll pop up a window to let you enter the server address. If you haven't played with MegaMek before, I strongly recommend you get yourself familiar with the client now, it's got a bit of a learning curve but it's incredibly useful.

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>>52497077
There's the leg SRM2, what I assume is a leg flamer, and the mystery piece. Both the SRM and the flamer have a little indent matching the protrusion on the legs but the mystery piece doesn't have one...It's probably too small for one.

>>52498107
That looks like the MG for the Kurita variant, should go somewhere on the LT

>>52498293

That....would actually make sense.

>>52497639
Are those the same guys in the city fight in Decision at Thunder Rift?

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>>52498641
I honestly don't know. Give me a bit to poke around.

>>52495905

I run an AToW campaign. You basically have to be willing to ignore some things at will for the sake of gameplay, unless you have really autistic players that like accountanttech. There is something to be said about the strength of the system, in that if you can imagine it, there's probably a related roll and table for it. Combat is also incredibly dangerous. It's not bad, but you need a GM who is either willing to improv or really good at remembering/referencing what table you need.

>>52490523
Not a bad design, but I was trying to go for something that could be used in either a less-lethal role (ie, riot control, something a 'mech would be needed for) or could potentially be up-armed enough to engage in light combat duty.

Sucks the rules for fractional-ton ammo bins are gone. Could do a half-ton bin of tear gas, quarter-ton of frag, and quarter-ton of foam rounds for fire control + the fluid gun/water cannon.

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>>52498641
Okay. So, the scenario was published back when the BattleDroids-vintage vee rules were still legal, and CityTech had't finished ironing them out.

Still, the hovertanks in the old scenario book can't be the ones in question - they're fifty-tonners with an SRM-six in the turret. Nothing even remotely like them has ever been published. I'll ignore the published top speed ATM because no vehicle from that era has a remotely reasonable one.

The light weapons carriers, likewise, are packing either an LL or an LRM-10. You could probably get away with calling them Harassers (there's a twin-ML variant that's acceptable, or you could upgrade the ICE to a Fusion plant and add an LL variant). The Scouts are unarmed entirely.

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>>52498872
>Sucks the rules for fractional-ton ammo bins are gone. Could do a half-ton bin of tear gas, quarter-ton of frag, and quarter-ton of foam rounds for fire control + the fluid gun/water cannon.
They aren't gone if you're using handhelds. That's the point of the Asuka. The main 'Mech just has a Recce camera, some VGLs for stingballers (or inferno grenades..) and a pair of fluid guns for fire-fighting/riot control. The handhelds are an assault rifle with MGs and an underbarrel chemical-agent SRM-2, an ATM-3, and a Rocket-accordion.

>>52499179
They are for 'mech mounted weapons, though.

If you're going for handhelds, just get a Wasp or Spider and built a hand-held weapon for it. They're very common so it's not hard to get one for that purpose.

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>>52499291
True. They are pretty cheap. On the other hand, this costs almost a million less per unit, with a non-explosive engine and iTSM. Good for demolition and fire-fighting, as well - which the WSP and STG aren't. You get better maneuverablity out of a Bug though, and you can mount a Vee Flamer/Sprayer in one pretty easily.

But you basically have to ignore the Bugs and Commando if you want to justify SecurityMechs anyway.

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>>52479832
>Head has more armor than the center torso

Hilarious design, but I wouldn't take it seriously.

Oh boy. 4.1 millions down the drain for something a vedette could do, except for the outrageous speed.

I would field two of those in a battle just to see my opponents face.

And it is even more squishy than a locust or dasher. Who would pilot this kind of mech?

>Pic related must be the only willing pilots for this thing

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>>52487766
your're welcome

>>52499899
Industrials, though, don't have enviro sealing. And since you're running with a FC engine, it does go boom. It also doesn't have as good armor as even a high-BAR industrial.

The main purpose of running a water cannon on my design was to use it as a water cannon would be used against rioters, and that + foam-bomb SRMs can be used as a stopgap until proper fire responders show up, should fire control be needed.

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>>52468232
Misa Hayes is the name used for the character Misa Hayase in the US Localization of Super Dimension Fortress: Macross.

She's a 10/10 waifu with excellent baby-catching skills.

>>52500439
>She's a 10/10 waifu with excellent baby-catching skills.
Didn't she screw up and through an attack cause Rick or whatever the Nip name was to take a missile swarm and end up in the hospital for a while dreaming bizarre delusional crap from injuries?

>>52487192
Unearned freedom is destined to be taken for granted, wasted, and traded for nothing.

>>52500561
Yes, thank you Mr Dubois.

What are the quintessential Nova/Spirit Cat mechs for 3145?

And did the Combine capture any of the Cat factories or were they all destroyed?

Not a chance some Cats took one apart and will show up to reassemble it on Marik, is there?

>>52497268

I'd be free after...8:45 CST

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>>52497268
I would play another if it will end before midnight est.

>>52501999
>>52502047
This would give a period of 2 and a quarter hours to do it in, so it'd have to be quick. That or we have to leave people out.

>>52502163

or we do 2 small matches. I personally liked the bigger match, since it gave me something to watch other than me fucking up. but small is fast.

Be advised, if if you wanna do the /btg/ game tonight, the dedicated server is a no-go, as Sunday nights it's reserved for my AToW players.

>>52502277
Yeah, guy who suggested it here, I've got port forwarding figured out so we should be able to play without the dedserv.

>>52501795
Do mass graves count as mechs?

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>>52503067

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>>52503095

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>>52503123

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>>52503153

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>>52500561
Freedom entails the right for it to be conceded or traded. Or would you imply someone does not own themselves?

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>>52503270

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>>52500137
>Implying speed isn't the only thing that matters

new thread

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>>52499130
The HVTs are very close to the LTV-4
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/LTV-4_Hover_Tank

>>52503095
>low cockpit

disgust.webm

>>52503285
So slavery is ok? Gotcha.

>>52501795
Exhumer? Gravedigger?