/hhg/ Horus Heresy General- I Just Read the Books Edition

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>Buying models with terrible rules because you love the lore and look of them

Why do I do this to myself. Saggitarum Guard are awful and I love them.

>>52450803
That's why I'm replacing the disintegration muzzle with a big bayonet and running them as Custodian Guard.

>>52450803
>Saggitarum Guard are awful

Eh they're not THAT bad, they are just bad compared to the rest of the army. Use a Tribune and Infiltrate them close to whatever you want to nuke.

Rolled 10 (1d26)

Dammit, I was just threadmaking. Ah well. I did do a summary, and I'm new to this so it wouldn't' have been a good thread.

The long threadless eternity edition
New breadmaker subedition

Custodes played Dishonoured on the streets of Terra, Magnus assumes old times' shape, Cawl dances like no-one's watching and Cousin Scoria is late to the Outflank. Prose quality of BL books was professionally discussed and Dorn won't negotiate with half a Primarch. Confused loyalty greenmarines decided to be Salamanders and a Plague Marine dropped his knife twice. All this and more in the (very) previous thread >>52434815

>>52448765
http://www.houzz.com/photos/53820261/Wood-Carved-Blue-Whale-Nautical-Wall-Art-Swimming-Right-beach-style-wall-accents

>>52450966
People read the thread summaries?

>>52450959
But the Custodian Guard with Adrasite spears has the same disintegration weapon and doesn't take up a Heavy slot.

>>52450959
Definitely what I plan on doing when I run them, but even in relaxed games they're a very weak point in the army. Their points are much better spent on a Dread or Caladius.

So i finally have a game of hh this weekend against tsons, im playing iw, gonna ride the ironfire. Problem is my copy of extermination isnt here yet and i dont know the equipment for erasmus golg, battlescribe on lists his rules and google hasnt helped, anyone out there have the book? Could you post a pic of his page?

>>52450978
>41"
About twice the length I'm looking for, even if wood is WAY easier to work with than hollow resin and I could smooth it over easily with greenstuff. Many thanks for looking, though. I have a scan every day or so. One of my projects WILL happen, it's just a matter of what required parts pop up first.

>>52450803
Are they really that bad in a transport options (with more firepower than a Predator btw) and just disembarking next to something to unleash Str 5 AP 2 Instant Death brutal justice ?

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>>52451026

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>>52450966
Don't try to compete with fast and simple copy-pasta OPs with a line or two of new text. People don't care either way. It's how GW stays in business.

>>52451040
They're a huge fire magnet and need 36"
Rending Assault to be even close to worth their points cost. Failing that they need to go down 50 points or so for a squad of 5.

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>>52451026
Remember that you have to reach the 65% casualties quota, or else DECIMATION

>>52451061
Thanks, that nuncio vox is going to help a ton

>>52451061

Golg.

Really?

>>52451080
No worries, next edition they can just shoot into, from inside, and out of melee and will probably be the best unit of Talons :^)

>>52451061
And im using the terminator from BoC so its actually wysiwyg, combi melta and chainfist

>>52451134
His 2nd in command is Centurion Silger.

>>52451134

A perfectly sensible 31st millenium name.

Next you'll be complaining that I named my tribune Quintytarpus Blerp.

>>52451179

Shield-Captain Fnorbamus Blulgwoop.

>>52451179
The tech priest named fucking Malevolus is a personal favorite.

>>52451179
>>52451229
Asdf Qwerty.

>>52451247

Archmagos Domunus Dvorak Helvetica.

>>52451239
>fucking Malevolus

That is quite the name. I thought GW tried to have everything at least a little bit teen friendly these days.

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1d4meme said it best for Saggitarum:

"Using the bolt profile makes your golden Boltodes tough overcosted Devastators, and basically nothing more. Unless you're fielding a big squad of Sagittarum, a 30" heavy bolter means you are sacrificing mobility for only a few damage against anything with an armour save of 3+ or better. As a comparison, a 8-man strong Astartes Support Squad costing the same price can deal almost thrice the amount of dakka."

To make them even decent all rounders you need melta bombs on each model and that drives the cost up to 70 points per model.

>>52451265
With magos biologis Qtpi

>>52450959
No, they are exactly that bad. They may even be worse.

And if you use a tribune to infiltrate them instead of a unit that actually does more than shoot a slightly worse heavy bolter, I can't help you.

>Look at the Agamatus and cry, because they do the exact same job except a million times better for a miniscule price increase.
>Look at the Caladus and cry because it does the exact same job except a million times better for a miniscule price increase.

>>52450803
>already ordered two kits
I swear I'm going to make that all-footslog Custodes list, eve if it kills me.

Speaking of iron warriors, why are the iron circle no longer available. Did some butter fingers drop the mold?

how much do I spend on the bundle?

I liked the soul drinkers omnibus (first three books) despite how edgy it made SDs

are books in higher tiers something excellent or do I just want 1$ for the heresy books?

>>52451469
Honestly I hate myself enough that I did the same for the option of running a squad of 10 in big games alongside two Caladius tanks.

Failing that? Two squads of 5 and a Dread instantly fill the heavy support slots.

Footslogging sadness unless I run Valdor, who makes them only marginally better.

>>52451314
Sniper, Implaceable Advance, Pinning
36", Salvo 3/5
Troops.

>>52451470
Seem available just fine to me, just checked and nothing seems out of order.

>>52451509

Didn't the soul drinkers omnibus have a fucking Drider trying to claim he was still a loyalist?

How about the pact to get to assembling and painting mention by a different Anon last thread?

I've had my models in Super Clean for the past four days because I'm too lazy to fuck with scraping the Primer off.

The other color has come off, but fuck me if the primer isn't bonded to the plastic.

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>>52451509
I'd say go $1 or the full $15. The $8 stuff is mostly weak, Legion and some of Tales of Heresy notwithstanding. If you're feeling skittish, just go for the $1.

Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns, and First Heretic are all excellent though.

>>52451648
I'm putting together an Imperial Knight head then it's time to fuck about with weapon magnets. Do I paint the head separate from the skeleton or not?

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>>52451179
Commodore Armandus Borg of the First reporting in!

>>52451546
Earlier today they were "no longer available"

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>>52451179
Oh hai.

>>52451546
Not like im going to use them ever, 205 points is more than a squad of terminators. Maybe if im going to play 4000 points, but thats not likely

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MkII best armour, dat helmet hnnngggg.

>>52450966
Nice summary anon!

>>52451179
I dunno, I like what Old GW did with rooting names in history/literature. Then again, the whole universe was more ingrained with literary, linguistic, and historic background.

Oh well, Praetor Tepes Orlok reporting in. Guess what legion I'm from?

>>52451845
I've been pinning and painting EVERYTHING separately, so perhaps?

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>>52451947
FW's monstrous creature pricing is all over the shop.

>>52451973
Legs are silly though

>>52451973
Legs are silly though

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>>52451973
Yeah, that helmet does look like constipated shit. OG style MkII helmet is best MkII helmet.

>>52451973
that's not a mark II helmet.

>>52452016
Vlad Tepes descended from nomadic Cumans that intermarried into the local nobility after they were forced from the steppes by the Mongols, so it has to be White Scars.

>>52452048
Alpharius pls go.
>>52452060
Omegon pls go.

Bloody sneks.

>>52452022
Armour plates are being done separate, so I suppose I may as well. Not pinning anything, though. Hoping plastic cement will do the trick.

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Praetor armor is the best custom armor variant, Best armor for best legion

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>>52452069
Forge World the Canonical thinks it is.

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>>52452084
Sneks are cool

>>52450803
FACT
Sagitarum should have been Bolter Troops while Guardians were Elites and Hetareons are HQs

>>52450966
I live for the summaries, than you anon.
Srry for not making a thread, but I was away from the computer.

>>52451134
What's wrong with him?

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>>52452083
>Tfw anon outlores the enemy

>>52452166
>>52452003

Thanks guys. Summaries are fun to do anyway, and I always enjoyed reading them so I thought I'd return the favour.-

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I feel like this is something Curze would write.

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>>52451265
Dvorak M'eltrozo

>>52452146
I'd rather saw off my own legs than take a Guardian Squad as Elite. I can barely tolerate them as Troops.
If they get actually decent spears I'd be willing to talk, though.

>>52452097
thought the single visor was madatory

>>52452016
Hmm... Orlok was Transylvanian, which points to either the Night Lords (bats) or Blood Angels (vampires), but he was created by Belial, who in 40k is a Dark Angels name and is nicknamed "Bird of Death" so he's a Raven Guard. In the story he unleashes the bubonic plague on a German city so he's also a Death Guard. He's killed by a woman, just like Curze.

>>52450803
They're meh against marines but rock against solar auxilia, mechanicum (especially thallax), and militia/cults

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Well, I was browsing and I didn't find any whales, but I did find an excellent Genetor Vulturax. Mount some guns and cybernetics on him, you'd never guess.

>>52452280
>decent spears
If you want everything to be AP2, go to 40k, anon. The power creep is getting bad enough without invalidating other armies elite units.

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>>52451643
Stfu driders are best loyalists

>>52452063
Anon everything looks constipated to you! Drink plenty of water and do exercise.

>>52452083
No, iirc Tepes was still in service to the church, specifically Corvinus, and he, the Wallachian nobility, and most of what is modern-day Romania's rulers descended either from Roman/Byzantines.

I've never cared much to study the Mongols or their effects, but I'd have a hard time believing anyone they genuinely "displaced" (since they had a fairly nomadic ruleship and where more like an Ork Warband than Rome-style rulers, displacement and authority was pretty impermanent, hence debates over actual size of their empire), would make it all the way to Wallachia.

Did the Mongols get all the way to modern Ukraine?

And also nah, it's Night Lords. I was expecting more Bangels jokes than history

>>52452118
>Jump pack Alpha legionnaire

>>52452287
Same. It looks 100% betters.

>>52452414
The mongols got all the way to Poland. In the north and Hungary in the south.

>>52452280
What would you want as Elites in order to make Sagittarii Troops instead of Heavy? What would you be willing to pay for it?

>>52452456

Fuck Sagitariuseses until they have a useful gun.

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>>52452414
>Did the Mongols get all the way to modern Ukraine?

Yes and then beyond into Finland and Poland.

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>>52452347
>Vulturax cocktail
A psy-sensitive Mariana blimp-shrimp. How didn't I think of that.

>>52452449
Fuck, really? I know they get majorly overblown when every weeb edgelord/John Green sucks their dick about being the greatest ever, but that's impressive.

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>>52452414
I honestly thought it was Blood Angels, my Praetor, Judas Brutus still has no trusted battle-brothers to aid him.
But anyways the Cumans were right next door to them, they didn't really have that far to go.

>>52451179

One guy named Bruce the German General is supposed to have been poisoned every day for months and months and months. He writes, quote, “Safe to say blood was flowing from my eyes and I was trying to kill enough of the things that I loved to get rid of all the time. I always imagined that I would have married a couple of soldiers who both probably thought they were fighting for what they called Operation Passion Of The Big Elephant. I was a great drama.” End quote

>>52452520

>Principalities of Russ

Awoo

>>52452516
>doesn't know about the extent of the Mongol's success, but talks shit about them anyway
Anon, you need to stop.

>>52452506
Hell, remove those mouth-tentacles for Arc Rifles and add lenses to the eyes and you're half done, just add Havoc Launcher tail.

>>52452548
I assume you didn't know about the Kievan Russ? Where do you think the name "Russia" comes from?
Also, principality of Rogaldornia when?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

>>52452489
It really needs heliothermic detonation and they need relentless. Move them to troops slot. Done.

>>52452569
>Removing mouth-tentacle antennae
What do you think the Enhanced Targeting array looks like, anon? If anything, add more barbs to them, some missile pod bits on the sides (it has two) and a servo-skull in the tail.

>>52452456
I think you should instead ask "What would you want in exchange for forcing you to take Sagittarii Troops? What would you accept for it?" because Sagittarum are shitawful and would be the worst tax.

>>52452414
>Did the Mongols get all the way to modern Ukraine?
Yep, they conquered quite a bit of modern-day Georgia, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Also made it into Bulgaria, Transylvania, Poland, and Hungary, but didn't hang around due to Genghis Khan's death.

Hundreds of years later, the Crimean Khanate broke away from the Golden Horde's territory and lasted into a modern era.

How would you make a regular Bolter Custodian squad worthy of the Troop slot, without resorting to AP2 Heliotermic 36" Bolters or something like that?
Assume Misericordia is an AP3 CCW.

>>52452492
>Finland
That map shows, they got to Hungary but not Finland, that's an /int/ meme

>>52452635
Misericordia is just a normal CCW, I think.

>>52452520
>Judas Brutus

So you think I'm being too direct in naming? I've kinda suspected as much, but then again if I pick some obscure nobody then it's not really interesting, because no one will even notice.

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>>52452651
IT BETTER BE AP3

>>52452625
Make them troops but a support. Give their heavy bolters heliothermic detonation and give them relentless so they can move and fire because they're pretty big guys.

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>>52452660
Don't get your hopes you anon

>>52452651
>>52452660
Alan Bligh confirmed Misericordia were supposed to be AP2.

>>52452635
Make them Salvo 2/4, 36", specialty ammo and give them a mock fury of the legion attack.
5+ BS5 dudes firing 8 times each with something like Shred, reroll armor saves or ignore cover is gonna put the hurt on a fucker.

>>52452686

Where? Because holy shit that would make jetbikes and even basic Custodes troops better.

Next thread's summary is going to have stunningly little to do with hh

>>52452686
>were supposed to be AP2
But it got scrapped right?

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>>52452709
With yo momma last night.

>>52452706
Too snowflake IMO

>>52452710
neither does your mum but I'll make a summary of her mammaries.

>>52452658
I was going with the biblical theme of the Blood Angels, originally it was Judas Pilate but I thought that was too on the nose and then the idea of a Space Marine from a Legion that was close with Horus being named after two famous traitors was just funny to me so I went with it.

>>52452724

Like bags of sand.

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>>52452709
>>52452718
>Falling for bait this obvious
I bet you didn't expect Calth either.

>>52452622
Point. I don't imagine enjoying transporting those upper tentacles. I should probably get a whole bunch of vox parts and such to make into Occularis and for Targeting Arrays, mounting one on the side back bay look good behind the havoc launchers.

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>>52452748
lel

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Would it be OK to run a Knight Household list, but say that it's a Light Infantry Maniple for a Titan Legion?

Apparently the Legio Fureans has no allied Knight Houses as they absorbed them into their ranks, so I think it'd be thematically appropriate.

>>52452722
>Too snowflake IMO
>Custodes
Dude, let the snowflake faction get the good shit.
If the roll of the guys are supposed to be powerful ranged support, the question is what do they need to do it?
Being able to shoot on the move if need be, special ammo for a variety of targets, and I'm a big fan of fotl as a rule, which doubles down on their intended purpose. I'd be more than willing to make the disintergrator 1 shot a battle, but what I don't want to do is do a blanket increase in strength or AP.
Shit, I'd take a specialty round that was S3 AP3, make it so it's not simply better, another that is Heavy 1 small blast, another that has haywire attached.
>imagine 8 dudes firing S5 AP4 Heavy 2 small blasts into a mob
>that would be fucking great

>>52452818
Big walkers use small walkers to aid them, yes.
What, are you going to use two Warhounds and 5 Knights or something?

>>52452560
Nah, I'm not talking shit, but you've gotta admit the nomadic structure means calling their setup an Empire is like saying gangsters run a government.

I find Western Europe far more intriguing, so I mostly hear about Mongols from people that exclusively learn through crash course and the like mouthing about how they're the greatest civilization ever.

However, I do remember learning that they learned how to use milk in a fuckload of amazing ways. That's pretty neat.

>>52452725
I dig it.

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>>52452818
>The fucking filename.

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>>52452622
Apparently this is what it looks like from the front, which gives a bunch of room for adding a flying stand, wires, cybernetics ect. May get two or three, at £13 each.

>>52452818
Yeah, there are plenty of examples of legios incorporating knights directly into their structure. Don't call them light infantry though; that would be the skitarii/secutarii (in old fluff, skitarii were part of titan legios, then 40k gave skitarii to forge worlds and FW released secutarii in the old skitarii role).

Hey, speaking of Knights, do they count as Titans for the purpose of Secutarii?

I like the idea of 2-3 Knights and a flock of Hoplites/Peltasts as a literal vanguard for the titans

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More Curze reviews.

Did all the traitor legions have their post-Heresy 40k color schemes at Terra? (at least partially, I know only half the WE were sporting red)

>>52452847
Yeah, probably a Warhound as a Lord of War, as many Knights as I need, and perhaps allied Secutarii.

Speaking of Secutarii, does their-
>>52452888
Yeah this

>>52452849
>you've gotta admit the nomadic structure means calling their setup an Empire is like saying gangsters run a government.
Their organized government was not that, anon.
Like I said, you are talking shit about Mongols while admitting you know little about them.
It's like me knowing nothing about British history and saying the Plantagenets was a lineage of unimportant nobodies.

>>52452888
Nope, because they're from the Questoris Knights faction as opposed to the Colegia Titanica.
You CAN bring lots of Secutarii to protect the Knight, just not as compulsory troops. Take two Thrall squads or whatever.

>>52452878
I you're going to make your entire army a seafood buffet, you've got to get some fish puns.

>>52452849
It was a proper empire, with pretty effective policing that made long-distance trade more practical than ever. (Though the old saying about it being safe for a 15-year old girl to walk from Eastern Europe to China with a pot of gold on her head was probably an exaggeration...)

The thing is that Genghis Khan was good at spotting talent from conquered tribes and then conquered civilizations, giving them power over things they were good at, and keeping them loyal to him. His sons broke the empire apart but they were each pretty good at the same thing, so those parts lasted a while longer.

>>52452911
I'll take your word for it, then. Need to look more into then Mongols now, coulda sworn they were the closest humanity ever got to straight-up Waaagh'in. Thanks for the info

>>52452935
Well, I've got two or three shrimp, the Navigator Magos who may or may not look fishlike, and the Fuckheug project involving one or more whales. I'd say that's enough fish.

>>52452898
It isn't known. FW will probably say they were halfway repainted so that everybody's armies are still valid.

>>52452954
Dan Carlin has a great multipart podcast series on them.

>>52452935
Shrimply impossible.

>>52452949
>His sons broke the empire apart but they were each pretty good at the same thing, so those parts lasted a while longer.
Kublai pretty much reunified it didn't he?
>>52452972
Nah, everything's got to be fish now, tech thralls with fins, magos with a tail.
>>52452978
There's a time and a plaice.

>>52452972
None of those are fish!

I feel like a lot of FW Mechanicum models look like pillbugs (aka roly polies). They're crustaceans, just like shrimp.

>>52452897
What book is this?

>>52452975
Have there been any Minotaur or Red Scorpion hints? People seem to think they're IW/EC in origin, I don't know why.

>>52450803
I love their little spikey helmets too and the concept of Custodes that don't fight like retards.

>>52452975
>Dan Carlin has a great multipart podcast
Great entertainment maybe. He tends to play pretty fast and loose with historical facts.

>>52453003
>obsessed with perfection
>history shrouded with mystery that they share with no one
>have best apothecaries
>let no one have access to their geneseed
Gee I wonder why people think they're EC.

>>52453003

Silver Skulls are definitely Iron Warriors.

Everyone except ADB know full well the Blood Ravens are thousand sons.

>>52452989
>Kublai pretty much reunified it didn't he?
Nominally... he didn't have much real power over the western areas (the Ilhanate and Golden Horde), but he could sometimes boss his relatives there around.

He ended up moving to what's now Beijing in order to get the Chinese to accept him as their emperor. Later in life the other Mongols out west thought he was too Chinese and they grew apart.

>>52452989
Nooo...
Fish jokes aside, I have enough on the to-do list for now. Awesome as they are, I think I need some basic Thallax, artillery and possibly a Droplite team first, to handle anti-air. BS2 Haywire en masse is actually really good at that. Manta project is ongoing, but I have found some £8 spammable whales who can be easily converted into gasbags for it.

>>52453086
>mfw china retconned genghis and kublai into being chinese

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>>52452994
Yeah, I should have known that.
There's an extra two names on the very long list of things people call woodlice. I know about six names for them so far.

If I ever do a big command crawler like the Land-Dreadnought in pic related, maybe I'll give it armour like those. Would need a lot of fairly large legs, though.

>>52452954
the Mongol 'Empire' was similar to Alexander's in that they just adapted and absorbed local systems, so that most places became satrapies just as Alexander had accepted them as satrapies after he defeated the Achaemenid empire. Which is why the Chinese territories became very chinese in terms of governance, and the western systems became more like satraps and the northern parts became monarchic khanates.

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>>52453142
What utter bastards.

>>52453124
BS2? Hazard protocols affect Snapshots?

>>52453208
Pls leave the Void Dragon alone

>>52453250
That book was the worst.

>>52452877
Master Princeps Gye Fierii

>>52453211
They certainly provide BS2 Overwatch, and I'm fairly sure it applies to all snap shots explicitly. Makes them basically a no-brainer, since anything Hoplites or Peltasts can realistically hurt in CC (AKA vehicles) won't be too fussed about I/WS2 as opposed to I/WS3. Also means you can counter-drop literally any big fuckoff transport, since they can pack Omnispexes for-1 cover too.

>>52451179
I'm personally a fan of Fantasy Flights Exo Spector.

Sorry if it's a frequently asked question, but do Geigor and Hvarl count (via FAQ, e-mail question or whatever) count as praetor or centurion for the purpose of the SW's compulsory HQ restriction?

>>52453250
Unrelated but are the memecanicum books any good?

>>52453685
No, they are filled with waifus.

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I should be mad at myself right now for buying 10 Saggitarum Guard models.

Fuck. They're so cool looking.

>>52453720
Are they cute?

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>>52453739
K-kind of.

Fucking losers on Aussie criminal podcast whines endlessly about WAAC faggots, he plays mechanicum and now says he's building a Custodes army.
Get utterly fucked you stupid waster aussie cunt

>>52453759
W-what's being pumped out of that tit

>>52453720
I still wish FW would make that female Magos they once said they would do.

>>52453723

>10

No you buy 5 for cool factor, paint them, then put them on a display shelf forever.

Dingus.

>>52453786
I don't know anon. She also neglected to tell her student that the new experimental machine would be using the Emp's psychic beacon as power. She also refused to halt the experiment when the student freaked the fuck out about this.

The student is also a waifu.

>>52453798
Just use any of the normal magos models, it's not like they would look any different from a male after all the robot bits get put on.

>>52453786
>/tg/: asking the hard question, that no one else will

>>52453759
If you have unprotected sex with that Magos do you risk getting an STC?

>>52453840
>look any different

Fucking hell this. A bunch of SJW's flipped their shit over Admech being another "male-only" army, and I've been pointing out from the start there's no way in hell you could even tell the difference.

The Omnissiah truly does bring equality

>>52453938

Depends on both the level of enhancement (enginseers have much less, for example) and the specifics.

I mean, if they ever released a Felicia Tayber model she'd just have a mechadendrite claw mounted as a tail.

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>>52453907

>>52453840
>thinks Akashic Reader is how Humanity used to get its tech

>>52453814
But I wanna hit someone with 10 ID weapons because I'm an asshole who likes theme over balance.

>>52453991

Then take Adrasite Spears on your troops and deep strike them.

>>52453991
Can you use ID weapons to find out which model is Alpharius before he reveals himself?

>>52453685
I like waifus, but I didn't like Mechanicum (the novel). What was up with that book? Does its guardian actually matter in any way? It's been years since the novel was released, did the book mystery ever come up again?

>>52454088
Depends, he just goes into ongoing reserves.

If a Deredeo and a Leviathan use standard deployment, what chance does the Deredeo have of killing the Leviathan before it makes contact?

>>52450748
This is still my favorite 40k General image.
Fucking Alpha Legion.

>>52454150

What weapons

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What happened to the Garro?

>>52454259
He tried to 1v1 Abby on Terra and failed miserably. Serves him right for trying to steal Sigismund's thunder.

>>52454058
When FW releases those spears I think we all will

>>52454150
Depends on the weapon. If you get a lucky shot through with lascannon, you've a chance of explosion/multiple wounds. Same deal about exploding (depending on arc) with plasma.

Autocannons are good for reliable, if slow, damage, plinking off about ~1HP per turn. The invuln makes him a bitch to kill without D or armorbane.

>>52454259
>Flash on the Bolter
>That Paint Scheme

My eyes!

>>52454315
Wait what.

Where does this happen?

>>52454367
Terra, duuuh

>>52454329
>silver and gold

That's his official scheme.

>>52454414
Anyone who paints like that should have their paintbrush shoved up their nose.

There is literally nothing worse or more triggering than seeing expensive FW character models painted by retarded 5 year olds.

>>52454451
Might be a recast.

>>52454259
By Tzeentch 15th dimensional middle nostril, it physically hurts me just looking at that.

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>>52453798
Would robed+hooded Kingdom Death half naked female model with cables, servo arms, servo-skulls shoved on its back conversion work?

>>52454621
Literally just wargames exclusive.

https://wargameexclusive.com/product-category/mechanic-adepts/

Go nuts.

>>52453003
Red scorpions are EC (most likely) and there is some post from an author that the Minotaurs are either IW or a chimera of different legion gene seeds bust still mostly IW. Not have it on me but maybe some other anon can post it.

>>52454638
Jesus

>>52454673

I still think that Facebook post is a fake, but the Minotaurs being IW confirmation was a post by Ead Brown who is the customer service manager and the Minotaurs player in the studio.

>>52455014
Ah, well that is definitely a less reliable source (not that the writers have proven themselves to be reliable).

Still it makes sense to me, so I'll keep it as my headcanon. I bet the remaining loyalist IWs love being able to finally get the good gear and "legally" fuck over other marines.

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>>52454638
BEHOLD! THE LAND'S RAIDER.

>>52455377
It raids your Land's.

>>52455389
All the bitches belong to Arkan.

>>52455401
Arkan's Land Raider raids bitches' Land's?

>>52453723
If you know you're facing thallax/ursarax, solar auxilia, or militia/cults they do well. Against marines and robots they're meh.

>>52455422
The Khan's Land's Raider can raid the lands for Land's bitches

>>52451030
Didn't you mention the model you wanted didn't go through customs or some such? Why not find a nice anon to order it, then mail it to you?
I may be willing, but I would want everything paid for, beforehand with each step.

>>52455439
>they're meh

The Destructors are fine as hell against boop spam, it's really just Marines they struggle to fight, and even then termite or other 2+ small-army spam is pretty easy to fight.

And even then you've got swordstodes to fight MEQ blobs

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>>52455451
No, no, it's Arkhan Land's Land Raider that he made using Arcane technology to raid all the land of bitches and get their Land's. He only brings along Khan when he's not raiding Eldar land.

>>52453071

I still laugh at how mad he got over that.

Why are the Death Guard so popular? Sell me on them.

I'm toying around with the idea of using a Knights Errant with a TS army since it has the Astartes rule. Make him a psyker, buy him the get out of perils card, deep strike him into enemy back lines on whenever turn I damn feel like, and spam magic nukes.

Downside is if he dies, its game over automatically - but I get to deep strike him whenever I like up to turn 4 anyway so are there really any downsides to this plan?

>>52456178
They are like iron warriors but instead of explosives they use gas. Primarch is still a shit.

Best I can do.

>>52455494
Nah. The disintegration beam has a hard time wounding stuff bigger than a Vorax (although instant death does help when it happens).

I've found the Saggitarum are great as a softening agent for tar pits so my expensive melee guys don't get bogged down in 40 really inexpensive bodies for longer than a turn.

They're just great at taking down thallax/usarax/scyllax due to a ton of ap4 shots or instant death depending on the range/situation.

I think people either try to use them as a gun line or as a suicide unit with with their armorbane, I think they're terrible at both. They're a support unit in every sense of the word. Use them to make sure your other guys get their points back plus some. An interdiction force to keep tar pits and death stars honest. Took me a few games to really figure them out, but I think people are giving them a bad shake because they look at them with myopia.

>>52456189
Mostly that the fluff makes no sense.

>>52456265

Why not? Nathaniel Garro stumbled across the galaxy looking for his Dirty Twenty, and traitor companies out on the fringe returning to a crazy galaxy and going all PURGE THE TRAITORS was common enough.

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SOON. Squad of 5 with two Corvae Las Pulsars.

So points heavy but so fun

>>52456410

>Mixed weapons

I doubt viability but okay.

>>52456241
Their problem is that they're 70 points a model with melta bombs. They need to be 10-15 cheaper to make them efficient; that or make their guns better.

This is coming from someone with 10 being built. I love them and their lore, but I wish they were a bit better.

>>52450803
Probably gonna get these and a dreadnought as a graduation present.
No dreadspear on the dreadnought though it's just going to go around the field punching shit

>>52456241
>>52456432

The real problem is they are overpriced AP4 horde killers when the state of the game does not call for horde killers yet. When it gets closer to the Siege of Terra and the traitors will inevitably get to spam slave auxiliaries and demons like mad, then there might be a need for them.

>>52456410
What's the point of that spear? Just ram the target with the bike's nose.

>>52452635
What is the misericordia?

>>52456189
Well, you said the downside.
If it helps your fluff, the Knight Errant Ison is implied to be a TS. Not confirmed, tbf.

>>52453782
Shut up Gregg Dan.

>>52456504
Not an AP3 CCW according to FW.

>>52456512
I quite dislike that man. It was a vaguely irrational dislike until the last BLL, when I saw him being an awkward twat.

>>52456553
What'd he do?

I didn't like the After Ullanor podcast, but I didn't think he'd turn out to be a twat.

>>52456467

>No dreadspear on the dreadnought though it's just going to go around the field punching shit

Then get the sword one you phillistine.

>>52454451
>>52454553
It ain't perfect by a long shot but I've seen way worse.

>>52456431
Split Fire and Sweeping Fire, man

>>52456241
I dunno, played two games with them and so far I'm liking it. I played one against Mechanicum and it went well; Guard squad downed a Thanatar (probably just dumb luck) with their Destructors, the Heteranon downed an Archmagos with Destructor Friends, and the termeis beat the ever-living shit out of some Triaros and a trio of Castellax.

Second game against UM went like shit, lost a fair piece of my army to Vindicators T1 and Gilly and his termies took the rest.

Moral of the story is take a tribune, without going full cheese you still need that infiltrate trait to put your army at their doorstep turn 1.

>>52456608
Is that even possible anon? Worse painting then that?

>>52456500
It's like a lascannon

>>52456523
Do we know? Where from?

>>52456582
Oh, nothing really, he just stalked the authors really awkwardly and tried to buttonhole them at inappropriate times.
You haven't seen cringe until you've seen ADB trying to get away from a big smelly man in a faded black t-shirt with his internet handle written on it.

>>52456603
You could just be amazing and get two Achillus Dreads. One with a spear and one for punching shit.

Then get a Galatus for the sword. All bases are covered.

>>52456603
Then how could it punch things?

>>52456629
At least this one didn't choose a horrible gaudy color scheme and mostly thinned his paints.

>>52456628
What points value? I'm surprised you took Het and Termies under 3000 points.

Take a 3:1 ratio of spears and sword/shield, your Tribune, and then fill out the rest accordingly. You definitely need more bodies.

>>52456647
Alan Bligh at the HH Weekender said it doesn't have rules. It's just a license of office for the Custodes. Now he might have just been making shit up because they forgot to actually put the rules in the book but either way, there are no rules for it in 30k.

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>>52454259
He fell to Nurgle and became a feared champion and pirate.

>>52456784
Lol what a crock of shit. That's so completely out of character. That's not canon.

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>>52456784
Garro nooo

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Model when

>>52456784
Literally fucking why

>>52456784
>>52456804
>>52456837

This was back when only grim dark was allowed in Warhammer 40k.

>>52456837
Can't resist Papa Nurgle's sway

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>>52456178
Remorseless marines that endure it all

>>52456784
All the possible Garro fates were met by those in Flight of the Eisenstein. Decius became the Lord of the Flies, Voyen devoted his time to being an apothecary, and Garro went on to be a righteous angry bald man.

Russ hated psykers but did he hate the Emperor for being one? Or is it all explained by Russ being the dumbest and worst of alll the primarchs?

>>52456914
Give him a sword and that would be the perfect Morturg.

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>>52456784
>>52456804
>>52456809
>>52456837
>>52456855

that bits not really canon anymore, Lord of Flies, is now Decius, a member of Garro's command squad, they fight on the moon in Flight of the Eisenstein.

>>52456178

I say because its arguably one of the easiest to pick up.

>paint scheme is base khaki paint spray > green whatever > sloppy brown wash > black and metallic touchups
>rules cater to infantry-heavy ground game
>add plastic tanks as required
>invest $100 or so into a future Forgeworld purchase for terminators and Primarch to complete army

aaaaaaand you're done

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>>52456950
He still uses Rune witches, it's not as if his word was the most reliable one.

>>52456959

>Garro had to fist fight his mutated battle brother on the surface of the moon
>Guilliman had to fist fight his mutated primarch brother on the surface of the moon

P O E T R Y
O
E
T
R
Y

>>52456959
>2456784
No, no. Now I want the Lord of Flies to claim him in vengeance of his first banishment on Luna. That look of Terra is beautiful.

>>52456950
>>52456973

Pretty safe to say Russ was all an act. Talks about hating psykers while employing them. Talks about honor while sanctioning genocides and exclusive use of forbidden weapons known to destabilize space/time. Talks about civility while engineering the second most radical propaganda engine, only bested by the Warrior Lodges. Talks about being the Emperor's loyal huntsman, when he was really just a sanctioned bully who had to resort to overwhelming crushing force whenever confronted with a difficult task.

>>52456827
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/scarab-occult-terminators

>>52457023
Don't forget
>says he's actually really smart and the mouthbreathing barbarian is an act
>is actually a retard

If you could add another special unit for your legion, what would they/it be?

For the Word Bearers I'd add guys in mark2/3 armor with melee weapons and pistols. Hand flamers and power hammers to hammer in the iconoclast nature of the former Imperial Heralds and later Word Bearers.

>>52457093

Imperial Fist Huscarl Terminators.

>>52457093
I want White Scars to get a Fast troop transport. Like a Sicaran carrying 10 men.

So for the next Custode units coming out like their big Dreadnought and aerial fighter, are we getting PDF setups for them or actual book additions?

It seems weird to have them tease models before Inferno and then have no rules for them, and then the actual reverse for the fighters

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>>52457093
Pic related.

>>52457157
It'll be like the Acastus Knight Porphyrion - model with PDF "experimental" rules that get tweaked when they appear in the next black book.

>>52457089

He is smart, though. Whereas the other Loyalist Primarchs wanted to improve their homeworlds, Russ intentionally kept his homeworld a hellhole which would breed only the toughest motherfuckers. He also carved out a niche for himself in order to ensure that he and his legion would always be in demand in the Great Crusade. Whereas Magnus fell out of favor for essentially making too much sense, Russ maintained an overall favorable image by trying to play the part that was needed.

Its just that he isn't smarter than his (Loyalist) brothers. No one in the history of anything has ever asked Russ to formulate a complex strategy.

>>52457157

Talons of the Emperor Red Book

Look forward to it

>>52457191
Exactly. Russ is cunning and brutal. He's a great leader but not the best tactician.

>>52457207
>cunning
>goes on a suicide mission to kill horus
>has to be saved by the raven guard of all metahumans

>>52456715
2000. I run a tribune, squad of termies, a squad of Hets, 2 Guard squads w/ Transports, and a big dakka tank. It's breddy gud unless I run into fliers

>>52457093
I'd like to see Thousand Sons fielding those affected by the flesh change.

>>52457215

Whats wrong with being saved by the Raven Guard?

>>52457201
>implying it's not gonna be rolled into the not-Marine, not-Mechcum red book

>>52457227

>I'd like to see Thousand Sons fielding those affected by the flesh change.

Suicide bomb type units which have a 5/6 chance to turn into warp spawn and 1/6 chance to turn into a giant cyclops thats the equivalent of a Leviathan Dreadnought?

What does the Legiones Astartes Army Book mean when the Orbital Assault, Armoured Spearhead, and Angel's Wrath rites of war say:

>You may not take a Fortification Allied Detachment

Seems to me like they missed a word or two.

>>52457093
Death Guard destroyer squad that does away with the twin bolt pistols in favor of flamers (with chem munitions), but retaining the rad missile launcher with suspensor web and phosphex options. Would be the most destroyer of destroyer squads.

>>52457191
>Russ intentionally kept his homeworld a hellhole which would breed only the toughest motherfuckers
Jaghatai also keeps Chogoris at a primitive level of technology to achieve the same result.

>>52457286

I think Jaghatai just likes Chogoris the way it is. If you start building cities and highways everywhere and enact traffic laws and stuff, then free roam biking stops being a thing.

>>52457278
>Death Guard destroyer squad that does away with the twin bolt pistols in favor of flamers (with chem munitions)

I got that. It's called flamer support squad with rad grenade sergeant.

>>52457325
Yeah, but I want the jump packs, the phosphex, and the radiation.

>>52457093
Imperial Fist Death Hussars
Normal Terminator stat-line with Rampage and teleportation transponders
All armed with Power Axes and Heavy Bolters with special ammo, may change the HBs for Assault Cannons
Special Ammo:
-Hellfire rounds S1 AP4 small blast poisoned 2+
-Scorpius rounds S5 AP2 Heavy 1
-Lachrymose rounds S- AP- Models hit by this suffer -1WS for one turn

Kill Command: This unit may fire twice in the shooting phase, if it does so then it cannot fire any weapon in the next shooting phase.

>>52457309
Aside from that, he handed the reins over to someone who (it's hinted, in Index Astartes) he knew would be unable to maintain the tribes united. So they'd start fighting each other again and that would be good for recruit quality.

>>52457023
>Alas, it was but a ruse!
This.
I really want to put the blame on BL doing a shitty job and being incoherent, because if it isn't then he's not a mere hypocrite. He's just an incoherent Primarch.
>>52457191
>Whereas the other Loyalist Primarchs wanted to improve their homeworlds, Russ intentionally kept his homeworld a hellhole which would breed only the toughest motherfuckers.
Nostromo
Baal
Medusa
Barbarus
Cthonia
Nocturne
All of those are hellholes, some of them deathworlds, and Ferrus even encourages Medusan Crawl cities to war against each other from time to time to weed out the weak, while he busied himself inventing terminator armour patterns (3).
And even then, those "tough motherfuckers" don't claim the title of "fiercest loyalist legion". It's the Blood Angels.

>>52456217

I just realized that while I love IW, I fuckin hate Perturabo. Can't say that about any other Legion I like. Either don't care for either or like both the legion and the primarch.

Weird.

>>52457420

>And even then, those "tough motherfuckers" don't claim the title of "fiercest loyalist legion". It's the Blood Angels.

Not really the Space Wolves fault that their Primarch kept getting them clobbered. Their fighting record went up astronomically after Russ took off. I mean, Russ had to defeat Magnus with three times the manpower; but the 40k chapter has basically fought every major battle outmanned, outgunned, and almost always wrongfooted and still comes out on top.

>>52457435
I like the loyalist Iron Warriors a lot. That fluff piece from Black Book 3 is some of the best stuff to come out of 30k/40k.

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>>52457435
>I just realized that while I love IW, I fuckin hate Perturabo.
>"Weird".
It's more common than you think.

>>52457286
>>52457420
Meanwhile, at Macragge:
>"You guys are idiots. The enemy will be expecting fighters hardened by cruel conditions on their homeworld."

>>52457475

KYR MOTHERFUCKING VHALEN

STUMBLES INTO THE HORUS HERESY AND FIRST THING HE DOES IS SKULLFUCK A SPACE SHIP AND THE SECOND THING HE DOES IS PLAY LEGOS

BADASS MOTHERFUCKER

>>52457481
Meanwhile at Hydra Dominatus.
>"You guys are idiots. The enemy will be expecting fighters. Like, at all :^) "

>>52457216
What's in the Het squad? My 2k list usually is a Tank Tribune, 2 squads of 5 spears, 1 squad of 5 swords, 2 Caladius, a Coronus, and an Achillus Dread

>>52457435

You're basically Guilliman.

>Hey Perturabo nice to meet you, you'll be so happy that you get to inherit a legion full of badass motherfuc- HEY WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING STOP KILLING THEM

>>52457475

Him and Dantioch man.

Dantioch still features in one of my favorite 40k moments ever.

Getting sassed by traitors in his own space fortress. All of a sudden:

STEALTH DREADNOUGHT MOTHERFUCKERS!

I don't know why but I was laughing so fucking hard.

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>>52457573
He also got best Bromance with Polux.

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>>52457549
He's pretty much ALL loyalist IWs.
And there's a lot of them.

>>52457573
I just read up on dantioch.

What a fucking cool dude.

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>>52457598
Why do IWs and IFs have the best bromances?
Other legions may have waifus, but no bromance is IV-VIIth tier.

>>52457679

Because they usually hate each other so much the bromance burns all the brighter.

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>>52457699
>DO YOU THINK LOVE CAN BLOOM IN THE SIEGE?

>>52457699
>>52457679
>>52457667
>>52457654
>>52457598
Its because IF and IW have the best rivalry in Warhammer, and the fans have played along. its good because both sides have won a lot of engagements in the fluff too so the bantz can flow.

Space Wolves vs. Transexual Sons...nothing but crying over who was a bigger loser over and over again.

Ultras and Word Bearers...just shit slinging about smurfs and Erebus.

Dark Angels and Space Wolves? Two degenerate legions that only talk about the one big "fight" they ever had.

>>52457789
100% agreed

>>52457679
This... was awesome.

Fuck you guys. I want to make a small HH IF force now.

Like a Betrayal at Calth sized set.

Would it be more cost effective to simply buy the Betrayal at Calth box if I am pursuing cataphracti Terminators rather than drop the 36.99+ shipping for them on ebay?

>three legions with black armor
>two legions with Iron in the name
>two legions with Guard in the name
>two legions with Sons in the name
This is horse shit. The Emperor should have enforced some sort of dibs system.

>>52458123
Honestly you get an insane value buying Calth.

>>52458127
If you think of the primarchs as having the maturity of teenagers it all makes a lot more sense.

>>52457789
What are the major IF/IW engagements besides Phall and Iron Cage?

>>52458127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDNugevy2Cw

>>52455750
What did ADB do to TS?

>>52458291
He is weirdly upset by the Blood Ravens = Thousand Sons theory

Do you still have to use 2 x2 Castellax units for Cybernetica, even it's an allied detachment?

>>52458087
Then do so? It's all cool m8

>>52458329
Any screencap or reference or something? This gonna be hilarious.

>>52458123
You get the Cataphractii character (could be a good sgt.) and stuff that you're likely to use one day. Even the Contemptor... looks a little dopey, but that's alright for a Mortis.

>>52458192
Just Terra, really. There weren't many big ones... yet. Odds are the Solar War will feature some that don't appear in previous fluff.

>>52458332
Yes.

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>>52458192
Siege of Terra, though 40k Imperial Fists are on the way to Medrengaard so that'll be another notch in the bitter feud.

>>52457420
>Nostromo
To be fair, that wasn't Konrad's intent. Nostramo just went straight back to shit the moment he left.

There's a reason he blew the fucking place up.

Is volkite worth it for my Iron Warriors or did I just get a nice "side piece"

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So for IF is this a good start? Looking to start a comfortable sized force from BaC and expand upon it. I'm looking at a Deredeo and 10 more Tactical Marines.


HQ: Praetorian
HQ: Legion Champion
Elites: Contemptor Dread with
Kheres
Elites: Cataphractii Term Squad of 5
Elites: Vet Tac Squad of 10
Troops: Tac Squad of 10
Troops: Tac Squad of 10
Troops: Breacher Squad of 5
Heavy Support: Vindicator

Thinking of making a dumb dark compliance list for an ogryn deathstar

I can put 8 3+ save ogryns with frenzon and power axes in a spartan, plus the force commander. Each ogryn gets 6 S7 AP2 power axe attacks plus an S5 hand of wrath attack. The actual squad loadout I'd use is 5 power axes and 3 boarding shields I think, the shields give me some 5+ invuln guys to stick up front and they're defensive grenades.

5 ogryns with frenzon charging with power axes is 30 attacks, which is what you'd get out of a squad of 10 terminators. Then the boarding shield guys get another 15 S5 attacks, and the hammer of wrath from the unit. 8 of them with upgrades is about the cost of 10 justarians with upgrades. The ogryns have 1 lower WS and a 3+ instead of 2+, but have 1 more S, T, and W, and get twice the attacks model for model.

>>52457461
That's because they earned good guy powers for actually giving a shit about the people of the Imperium. Those same powers are the only things keeping the Lamenters alive.

>>52457481
Meanwhile on Nuceria
>What's a Space Marine?

>>52458332
>>52458404
Oh wait, I mean 1x2 Castellax. Allied detachments only need one Troops choice, but since it's Cybernetica it has to be two Castellax.

>>52457789
DA and SW are the only one that can really be called a rivalry, the others fall well into the realm of feuds.

Interestingly this make an IF/IW bromance pure Romeo and Juliet shit. Literally poetry.

>>52458503
It won't be long before you need to add transports (or teleporters for the Terminators). The Breachers aren't legal until you have 10. You may be able to get away without giving them a transport - give them an apothecary and sit them on an objective.

>>52458503
If you're taking a 5 man terminator squad and a praetor, you might as well make it a command squad. It's barely and more expensive (like 5pts. or something), gets 1 extra wound, better WS and special rules. And doesn't take up a FOC slot.

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Salanonder here, still working on this guy. Probably going to be a Praevian or one of the other IT consuls. What are you guys working on today?

>>52458611
This look better?
>>52458564

HQ: Praetorian in Cat Term Armor
HQ: Cat Term Command Squad of 5
Elites: Contemptor Dread with
Kheres
Elites: Marksmen Vet Tac Squad of 10
Troops: Tac Squad of 10
Troops: Tac Squad of 10
Troops: Breacher Squad of 10
Transport: Rhino
Heavy Support: Deredeo Dread w/ Las and Missiles
Heavy Support: Vindicator

>>52458673
You could make the command squad 4 members and put a cataphractii primus medicae in there.

Maybe combine the tacticals into a single blob and put an apothecary in there. If you use the BaC chaplain as a sergeant, you'll have 1 spare MkIV body to use for the apothecary. Get some Ravenwing/Grey Knight terminator apothecary bits, like those belt vials and instruments, and put them on there. Same with the cataphractii primus.

If you buy a set of 10 more MkIV, you could use the 4 missile launchers you have to make a small heavy support squad of 4 missile launchers and a nuncio-vox and augury scanner sergeant. Just get some bits to make the marines. Each BaC tactical set comes with a spare torso and enough arms and heads to equip all the models, so you really just need 5 pairs of legs and 1 torso.

>>52458347

I think it's somewhere on the Bolter and Chainsword forums a few years ago.

He got super pissed when that HH short story came out with Arvida on Prospero and all the raven imagery.

it came up a few more times and he's still mad about it. It was part of a bigger rant about the setting not changing and mysteries never being revealed.

I seriously wish i was there when he found out Cadia was getting cracked into pieces and Rowboat woke up.

>>52458503

That is a sexy fucking model.

>>52458750
I'll tally up some points when I get home and compare these options in there.

Thanks!

>>52458673
The Breachers can't take a Rhino so give it to the Veterans. I agree with >>52458750, blob up the footslogging Tacticals since you'll still have two Troops choices and not enough transports.

>>52458444
>40k Imperial Fists
Don't you mean the Fists Exemplar?

So I've been building up my Iron Warriors and so far this is what I have, I need suggestions for what to get next with out breaking my bank account

Preator/Warsmith - Chainfist/Combi melta
Seigebreaker - Combi volkite/ Thunder hammer
Chaplain -Plasma Pistol/Power axe

2x 20 Man tactical squads - Vexlia
15 man tactical - Combi melta
10 man Catt. Termies chainfists/heavy flamers
5 man Tart. Termies Autocannon /Lighting claw
Contempter assault cannon/powerfist
Heavy support squad /w Volkite

>>52458830

They're all Sons of Dorn, and they will soon become one legion once more.

>>52458848

This. It's not like their geneseed changed. Plus, Thane said fuck you to the entire history and traditions of the Exemplar too.

>>52458834
The Tartaros want a Dreadclaw or Land Raider.

The Cataphractii and combi-melta guys too, though they don't need assault vehicles since they can be used as shooty units. But they do need something you can't reliably walk into range with heavy flamers and meltaguns.

>>52458802
Cataphractii praetor, 4 cataphractii command squad, cataphractii primus medicae, kheres contemptor-cortus, vets, rhino, apothecary, tactical blob, breachers, dorido with las/missile, 4 missile launcher heavy support squad, and a vindicator will tally you 1775pts. before upgrades (beyond ones listed).

>>52458822
So like this?

HQ: Praetorian in Cat Term Armor
HQ: Cat Term Command Squad of 5
HQ: Siege Master
Elites: Contemptor Dread with
Kheres
Elites: Marksmen Vet Tac Squad of 10
Transport: Rhino
Troops: Tac Squad of 15
Troops: Tac Squad of 15
Troops: Breacher Squad of 10
Heavy Support: Deredeo Dread w/ Las and Missiles
Heavy Support: Vindicator
Heavy Support: Heavy Support Squad w/ Lascannons

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>>52458495
Volkite is worth it if you like it.
I myself am not a fan of the choom, but if you like it then go ahead.

>>52459147
Woah where is this from. Before the edit

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>>52458526
>Meanwhile on Nuceria
>>What's a Space Marine?
>Because the Emperor never deployed them.
This makes me bitter, sad and mad.
Hey, those are the Meatgrinder legions' emotions!

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>>52458559

>>52459147

I'm personally only interested in volkite culverins on relentless platforms. If I wanted to play dice lottery, I would just go all the way and invest in rotor cannons.

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>>52459161
Tallarn Executioner

>>52458559

>DA and SW are the only one that can really be called a rivalry

Dorn and Perturabo hated the fuck of each other, and their legions' continued obsessions with each other continue into m42 if only as a consequence of that relationship. On the grand scale of things in 30k+40k, the IF/IW rivalry far eclipses DA/SW in that their rivalry has literally determined the course of history several times - whereas DA/SW is literally "grimdark misunderstandings - the anime".

>>52459228
>I'm personally only interested in volkite culverins on relentless platforms.
Like which ones?