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Combat of the Thirty Edition

Previous thread: >>52246553

Get in here, post games, miniatures, questions, whatever you like.

List of mini providers:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uGaaOSvSTqpwPGAvLPY3B5M2WYppDhzXdjwMpqRxo9M/edit

List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
http://pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R

ZunTsu Gameboxes:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/yaokao3h1o4og/ZunTsu_GameBoxes

/hwg/ Steam Group:
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Games, Ospreys & References folders:
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lu95l5mgg06d5/Ancient
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/6jrcg496e7vnb/Avalon%20Hill
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/whmbo8ii2evqh//SPI
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_%26_Tactics_Magazine
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lx05hfgbic6b8/Naval_Wargaming
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
https://mega.nz/#F!ZAoVjbQB!iGfDqfBDpgr0GC-NHg7KFQ
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>Advanced Squad Leader
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>Battleground WWII
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
https://mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Black Powder
http://www.mediafire.com/download/o5x6blwoczojmfr/Black+Powder.pdf
>Bolt Action
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
https://mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q
>Fleet Series
https://mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>Hail Caesar
https://mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Impetus
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/28i9gevqws518/Impetus
>Modelling & painting guides
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Next War (GMT)
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/eupungrg93xgb/Next_War
>Phoenix Command RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
https://mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>Warhammer Ancient battles 2.0
http://www.mediafire.com/download/uttov32riixm9b0/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+2E.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/ta7aj1erh7sap1t/Warhammer+Ancient+Battles+-+Armies+of+Antiquity+v2.pdf
>Warhammer Historical
https://mega.nz/#F!LxkElYYY!FJB5miNmlWZKMj2VfSYdxg
>Warmaster Ancients
http://www.mediafire.com/download/cifld8bl3uy2i5g/Warmaster+Ancients.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/3emyvka11bnna1b/Warmaster+Ancient+Armies.pdf

Desired scans :
Rank and File supplements
Harpoon 3 & 4 supplements
Force on Force supplements
Hind Commander
At Close Quarters
War and Conquest
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26th March in military history:

1169 – Saladin becomes the emir of Egypt.
1344 – The Siege of Algeciras, one of the first European military engagements where gunpowder was used, comes to an end.
1351 – Combat of the Thirty : Thirty Breton Knights call out and defeat thirty English Knights.
1885 – The Métis people of the District of Saskatchewan under Louis Riel begin the North-West Rebellion against Canada.
1913 – Balkan Wars: Bulgarian forces capture Adrianople.
1917 – World War I: First Battle of Gaza – British troops are halted after 17,000 Turks block their advance.
1939 – Spanish Civil War: Nationalists begin their final offensive of the war.
1945 – World War II: The Battle of Iwo Jima ends as the island is officially secured by American forces.
1971 – East Pakistan declares its independence from Pakistan to form the People's Republic of Bangladesh and the Bangladesh Liberation War begins.
1975 – The Biological Weapons Convention comes into force.
1982 – A groundbreaking ceremony for the Vietnam Veterans Memorial is held in Washington, D.C.
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Chivalry’s finest military expression in contemporary eyes was the famous Combat of the Thirty, which occured on 26th March 1351. An action of the perennial conflict in Brittany [part of the Hundred Years War], it began with issued by Jean de Beaumanoir, a captain of Charles of Blois supported by the King of France, to Robert Bemborough, a captain of Jean de Montfort supported by the King of England. When their partisans clamored to join, a combat of thirty on each side was agreed upon. Terms were arranged, the site was chosen, and after participants heard mass and exchanged courtesies, the fight commenced.

With swords, bear-spears, daggers, and axes, they fought savagely until four on the French side and two on the English were slain and a recess was called. Bleeding and exhausted, Beaumanoir called for a drink, eliciting the era’s most memorable reply: “Drink thy blood, Beaumanoir, and thy thirst will pass!” Resuming, the combatants fought until the French side prevailed and every one of the survivors on either side was wounded. Bramborough and eight of his party were killed, the rest taken prisoner and held for ransom. In the wide discussion the affair aroused, ‘some held it as a very poor thing and others as a very swaggering business,’ with the admirers dominating.

The motivation for the combat is unclear. The earliest written sources present it as a purely chivalric exercise, undertaken to honour the ladies for whom the knights were fighting: referring to Joan, Duchess of Brittany (House of Blois) and Joanna of Flanders (House of Montfort). These women were leading the two factions at the time, as Joan's husband was in captivity and Joanna's was dead (her son was a young child at the time). This is the account given by the contemporary chroniclers Jean le Bel and Jean Froissart, both of whom present the conflict as purely a matter of honour with no personal animosity involved.
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>>52364208
While the combat did not have any effect on the outcome of the Breton war of succession, it was considered by contemporaries to be an example of the finest chivalry. It was sung by trouvères, retold in the chronicles of Froissart and largely admired, and honoured in verse and the visual arts. A commemorative stone was placed at the site of the combat situated between Josselin and Ploermel and king Charles V of France commissioned a tapestry depicting it. The renown attached to those who participated was such that twenty years later, Jean Froissart noticed a scarred survivor, Yves Charruel, at the table of Charles V, where he was honoured above all others due to having been one of the Thirty.

According to historian Steven Muhlberger, this chivalric version concentrates on "how the deed was done and not on who won. The willingness of all concerned to agree to rules and to actually observe them, to fight their best and not to run when injured or in danger of capture are the focus – and both sides are shown as equally worthy in that respect." Later, the combat came to be seen in very different terms, influenced by the most famous of the contemporary popular ballads on the topic. In this version the English knights are villains, and the Blois faction are loyal and worthy local warriors.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/wz3568zydxy2p6f/Osprey+-+ELI+017+-+Knights+At+Tournament.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/va2inkaho0aq6xs/Osprey+-+MAA+337+-+French+Armies+of+the+Hundred+Years+War.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9e7fgex9d3b5k3e/Osprey+-+WAR+058+-+English+Medieval+Knight+1300-1400.pdf
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The community project this month is an obsolete unit or vehicle.
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For those interested in Chevauchee; this is the kind of thing you can do with the campaign tolls and a bit of creativity.
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I have an opportunity to demonstrate a wargame for a Uni course. I have a lot D6's. What would you all suggest for something quick and manageable? I don't have access to actual models but I'll probably end up using paper cut outs.

Any advice would be appreciate.
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>>52364535
Something like FiveCore or Five Men in Normandy might be appropriate.
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>>52362112
They're CinC Leopards I believe. I switched to Heroics&Ros Leopards/everything though.

>>52364535
D6s, no models, fast... Basic Impetus.
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>>52364250
reposting my obsolete Panzer 4 from Syria (and its german friend)
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>>52364535
Take a look at the Wargames from Lock'n'Load if you want to run the game with counters. Dawn's Early Light or Lock'n'Load Tactical Ruleset maybe fit for your game. They have free living Rulebooks.
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>>52364499
This looks pretty awesome thb. Thanks for sharing.
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>>52364781
>H&R
Ive only bought a few things from them and so far they've been breddy gud, mostly get my shit from Scotia.
Are pic related leopards from H&R? Cos they look nice as
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Does anyone know where I could find SAGA's latest faqs and erratas? I've tried to look for them on GB's blog/news, on Studio Tomahawk's site (under construction) and Studio Tomahawk's blog, but I can't seem to find them.
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>>52364864
Yep, that's all H&R. Specifically they're Leopard 1A5s.

I'd not be the first to say H&R's quality can be a bit variable but they're generally good, cheap, and where stuff is miscast it's usually not horrifically unfix-able or unable to be disguised except for their planes for some reason.
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>>52365160
Sheeit Im gonna have to get some of those
>H&R's quality can be a bit variable but they're generally good
Same with Scotia 2bh, although everything Ive bought so far has been really nice even though their photos look absolute dogshit.
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So, for the 30YW skirmish mentioned in the last thread - I was thinking of either using d10, or a variable die kinda like how FoF does it - musketeer rolls d6 while attacking a Cuirassier who rolls a d8, highest wins.
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>>52365716
Don't just throw down a dice mechanic, lay out your goals for the system and then see what mechanics might fit that best. Compare and contrast and all that.
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I had no interest in the pacific theater at all, but damn these minis look awesome
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>>52365872
Well, both methods allow for much more fine-tuning of results than just a simple d6. Think I'll write down a system for both and see which works better. As for game size, I'm looking at something like a "platoon" (not period specific term I know, 40-50 men) with groups of soldiers moving together, gathering experience as a team while individuals like captains or sergeants leveling up on their own, getting permanent wounds, personal skills and so forth.
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>>52365940
I'm getting more interested in the pacific but I still have all my Europe stuff to do
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>>52365940
They look noice m8
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>>52365940
This is why you don't paint the eyes.
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ASL today!
"Road Warriors" from Schwerepunkt. German armored cars and Soviet tankets mess it up in a small village in the Crimea 1941. The number of the day was 10 as that seemed to be about every roll I made. both sides having horrid luck. My opponent couldnt hit me-missing on 9s and 10s to hit, where I was hitting him all over the place with multiple RoFs but was always rolling 1 more than I needed to Kill.

Highlights include throwing demo charges all over the place and a suicide strike with a motorcycle unit carrying a DC. Burning vehicles and man handled ATGs as well

20mms making soviet tanks BURN. Highpoint of my day......
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>>52365940
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>>52368373
"Let me tell you about Kokoda"
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>>52365940
Building a small Seebee unit is on my bucket list.
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>>52367877
i never knew you could put DCs on a motorcycle unit
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>>52360932
Talk about Don Featherstone. One of the grandfathers of modern wargaming.

Maybe try one of his scenarios? his rules are usually simple and easy to run, and cover most periods. Look for Featherstone's Complete Wargaming in the OP folders
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>>52369591
>i never knew you could put DCs on a motorcycle unit

honestly until today neither did I. discovered it today going over the rules. you can actually toss one from a motorcycle while its moving.
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Was the lefh 18/18m used for anti tank/close range anti infantry roles? If so how was it comparable to other guns who were made FOR these roles
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>>52371633
It could penetrate 50mm up to about 1500m

https://ww2-weapons.com/105-mm-lefh-18/

Getting a hit on a single armored vehicle while firing indirectly would take some precise ranging, but firing open sights might be a bit easier. Thankfully indirect means you'd likely penetrate most vehicles armor as they tend to have weaker armor on the top.

Also depends on the ammunition as you can see on that site. Looks like you could fire HEAT rounds from it, penetrating up to 100mm. As to whether most units had this kind of ammunition or used them, I'm not sure, but I wouldn't count on it.
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>>52371725
For tabletop purposes of it was being used as an emergency at gun which German at gun would it be most comparable to in your opinion?
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>>52372368
If using the regular ammunition, the 7.5cm KwK 37 - which is the short barreled 75mm used on the early Pz. IVs.

The 5cm PaK 38 is also pretty close if you want a specific AT gun
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>>52372457
Helps a lot thanks, gotta star it because the rule set I'm using doesn't specifically have howitzers used as at
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>>52372503
Which rule set? Seems like a bit of an oversight, as most howitzers could fire open sights and were sometimes used as AT in dire situations
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>>52372528
Five members at Kursk, all guns are based on their size rather than model to just give general assumptions answers I didn't want it acting like a 105mm against tanks when it really wouldnt
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I'm going to throw this out again.

hwg, I need you to pick a battle for me to play as I cant decide myself, the system's DBA and I can cover more or less any pairing you come up with, but here's what I have available;

More or less anyone from ancient to early renaissance Europe, Middle East or North Africa, also English Civil War (all factions) or Napoleonic Wars (major factions)

I'll do whatever the first response is and take a couple of pictures. Thanks.
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>>52372954
How about this?

Lake Trasimene 217 BC (Osprey Campaign 303)

Following Hannibal's crushing victory at the battle of the Trebbia, the reeling Roman Republic sent a new army under the over-confident consul Caius Flaminius to destroy the Carthaginian invaders - unbeknownst to him they were ready and waiting. The destruction of the Roman force at Lake Trasimene firmly established Hannibal as one of the Ancient World's greatest commanders thanks to his use of innovative tactics, including the first recorded use of a turning movement. The Romans would not send another major army to confront him until the battle of Cannae in 216 BC. This new study, based on recent archaeological work on the battlefield itself, tells the full story of one of Hannibal's greatest victories with the help of maps, full-colour illustrations, and detailed sections on the make-up of the armies and their commanders.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/vdds17m7zd02zxt/Osprey+-+CAM+303+-+Lake+Trasimene+217BC.pdf
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Kursk 1943: The Southern Front (Osprey Campaign 305)

Mauled at Stalingrad, the German army looked to regain the initiative on the Eastern Front with a huge offensive launched near the city of Kursk, 280 miles south-west of Moscow. Armed with the new Panther tank, Hitler and Field Marshal von Manstein were confident that they could inflict another crushing defeat on the Soviet Union. What they did not know is that the Soviets knew about the coming attack, and they were ready. This book focuses on the southern front of this campaign, which featured one of the biggest clash of armour of the warin the battle of Prokhorovka which involved over a thousand tanks. It examines in detail the tactics and mistakes of the army commanders as they orchestrated one of the bloodiest battles in World War II. Using campaign maps, stunning photographs and vivid artwork, this new study, a companion to Campaign 272 Kursk 1943: The Northern Front, examines whether that the German offensive was doomed from the start as it takes the reader through this titanic clash of armour.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/nlyuxlql9ao5rwt/Osprey+-+CAM+305+-+Kursk+1943+%282%29+Southern+Front.pdf
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Apache Warrior vs US Cavalryman: 1846-1886 (Osprey Combat 19)

From the 1840s onward, United States military forces clashed with the Apache, a group of Native American peoples associated with the southwestern part of North America. US territorial expansion and conflict - first with Mexico and then during the Civil War - led to an escalation of hostilities that culminated in the defeat of the Apache leader Geronimo in 1886, although fighting continued into the 20th century. In this study the clashes at Cieneguilla (1854), First Adobe Walls (1864), and Cibecue Creek (1881) are assessed in detail. Fully illustrated and featuring contemporary accounts and specially commissioned artwork, this history examines exactly how the Apache were able to pose such a grave threat to US forces and how their initial advantages were gradually negated by the cavalry. Examining the tactics, equipment and training available to each side over four decades of evolving conflict, this is an eye-opening combatant's eye view of one of history's most intriguing campaigns.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/5tc566vrplfd9kg/Osprey+-+CBT+019+-+Apache+Warrior+vs+US+Cavalryman.pdf
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World War II Infantry Fire Support Tactics (Osprey Elite 214)

As infantry units advanced across Europe the only support they could rely on from day to day was that provided by the heavy weapons of their own units. While thundering tanks struck fear into the hearts of their enemies it was the machine guns, mortars and light cannon that proved to be most important, causing the majority of casualties suffered during World War II. Common principles were shared across units but the wide variety of weapons available to the different armies altered the way they were used in battle. Focusing on the US, British, German and Soviet troops, this title offers a comprehensive guide to infantry fire support tactics used through World War II. Combat reports are complemented by specially commissioned artwork to show the way in which tactics varied, and highlight how developments obliged opposing armies to review their own methods.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ossk2au75evagh0/Osprey+-+ELI+214+-+World+War+II+Infantry+Fire+Support+Tactics.pdf
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British Light Infantry & Rifle Tactics of the Napoleonic Wars (Osprey Elite 215)

In an age when infantry units manoeuvred and fought in rigid blocks, the idea of encouraging initiative and allowing a unit to 'skirmish' was regarded as revolutionary and fell out of favour in the years following the French-Indian and American Revolutionary wars. It was revived by far-sighted British and foreign-mercenary officers, who observed the way in which French Revolutionary armies deployed skirmishers to prepare the way for their assault columns. Offering a detailed analysis of the tactics, this book is studded with period 'battle descriptions' quoted from eye-witness accounts, creating a comprehensive guide to the Light and Rifles units of Wellington's Light Division. As the result of the first tentative experiments in skirmishing the units achieved an unsurpassed peak of efficiency - they marched faster, were versatile in any sort of tactical situation and could shoot more accurately than either friend or foe. No other national army, either allied or enemy, achieved these standards.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/7hk8egi7a9moywd/Osprey+-+ELI+215+-+British+Light+Infantry+%26+Rifle+Tactics+of+the+Napoleonic+Wars.pdf
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>>52373314
Yeah, I think I can that that quite easily. Thanks for the Osprey, I'll have a read first so I can get it just that bit more accurate (no promises though!).
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>>52368373
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>>52365940
Whyd they shave off their eyebrows?
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>>52373314
Starting positions. The Romans are going to get annihilated.

Flaminius, 12 troops
1 blade, Extraordinarii
5 blades, Legions
2 psiloi, Peltasts
2 spears, Triarii
2 cavalry,

Hannibal, 18 troops
2 light horse, Numidians
2 cavalry, Carthaginian Cavalry
3 cavalry, Gaulish Nobles
6 warband, Gaulish Warriors
2 spears, Carthaginian Infantry
2 auxiliaries, Iberian Infantry
1 psiloi, Balearic slingers
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>>52374044
>start 3 inches apart

what shit game is this?
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>>52374065
It's an ambush. Carthaginians have forward deployment. I've tried to base the set-up on the actual battle as displayed in the Osprey.
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>>52374078
It's mainly a question of how many troops the Romans can get away before being overwhelmed. They have to chose between sacrificing some units so the others can retreat, but that's a balancing act because if too many flee there won't be enough to cover them.
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>>52374100
I was going to do wholesale stand-and-fight slaughter but I'll give this a go. I don't think it's going to go great for the Romans anyway.
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>>52374044
End of second round. Romans have lost their baggage train to Numidian horsemen.
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>>52374212
>baggage train lost
Doesn't that devastate the army's morale?
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>>52374257
Yes, but in the game it counts as two units lost, and the Romans can only lose four units, so they're halfway to 'defeat'. I'm more concerned about trying to get them out alive, but they keep rolling low on the command dice.
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>>52364164
Why do paintings from the times inaccurately show fucking tournament armor being used in battle all the time? Granted there was almost certainly "that guy" bad in medieval times who insisted on wearing impractical shit, but the shit is pretty impractical.
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>>52374212
End of the fifth round. Romans have lost and will begin to flee. The only loss for the Carthaginians are some slingers that ran off board, scared of the Extraordinarii.
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>>52374379
The other flank.
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>>52374378
Because it looked cool on the page. Those artists weren't remotely interested in historical accuracy anyway.

>>52374379
>>52374385
I hope the Consul intends to die gloriously
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So I Have an idea for ambassador interesting campaign/game. I'm currently building up my 10mm Normandy stuff for a five men at Kursk campaign, but I also have a bunch of 3mm Normandy stuff too. If I made a few more purchases for that I could easily recreate anything I have in 20mm in 3mm too. Now I was wondering if there was a ruleset I could adapt to have a larger campaign at 3mm but resolve the close engagements in 20mm 5mak
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>>52374385
Half way through turn 8, I've been dicing per Roman unit to see if they flee or fight, so almost all have refused to run. The Roman centre has collapsed completely, their left flank is soon to be destroyed, only Flaminius and his veteran legions on the right flank are holding their own, they've even got close to surrounding and destroying Hannibal's cohort of spears, but now the road is open and they can begin to exit the battle.
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>>52374565
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>>52374572
Turn 10, the Consul and his legions fled along the road to Perusia, their retreat being covered by the Extraordinarii who held of repeated attacks by Gaulish Cavalry while being flanked and outnumbered. On the other flank those who weren't drowned in Lake Trasimene by Carthaginian cavalry, managed to escape. Including a heroic band of Triarii who fought their way out of being surrounded by Gaulish war bands.

Overall losses.
Romans, 7 fled successfully including the Consul, however the army has been split, with some fleeing to Cortona instead. They lost 5 units including their baggage train.

The Carthaginians lost 3 units, 2 Gauls and 1 Iberian, so who cares? They have 15 units remaining.

>>52372954
Oh and I'm more than happy to do another one of these.
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>>52374725
I think Flaminius would have been better off meeting his heroic historical end, rather than having to crawl back to Rome and explain things to the Senate.
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>>52374743
>Wait, what's this? Flaminius is attempting to hold the road? Has he gone mad?
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>>52374791
Flaminius continues to hold the road despite his battle line fracturing.
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>>52374874
obligatory
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>>52374874
>A legion has fallen, our escape has been cut off, we have been encircled!
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Dunno if this has been posted yet, but GB have some archers coming to go with their dark age/saga stuff.
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>>52374998
It took them a while.

And this paintjob is awful.
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>>52375009
I think those are 3-ups and for whatever reason their 3-ups usually tend to be a bit unflattering.
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>>52374963
The heroic death of Gaius Flaminius Nepos, Novus Homo, Senator and Consul of Roman.
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>>52372954
The offer remains, I'd quite like to do another one. Any period.
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>>52375454
What about that Danish-Swedish one from last thread?
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>>52375454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt2g5hoUzHI&ab_channel=Piscator

Poltava
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>>52375454
Uymayyads - Napoleonic Russians
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>>52375516
I can do that. I just held of because I didn't want to be fighting a fantasy war, because I don't know much about the War itself.

The units were going to be:
Kalmar-Danish
2 Knights
1 Cavalry
1 Light Horse
1 Crossbow
4 Blades (Halberds)
2 Pikes
1 Psiloi
all infantry units in this army being represented by Landsknechts.

Swedish Rebels
1 Knight
5 Warband (enraged peasants)
2 Auxiliaries (more peasants)
1 Fast Blade (Axemen)
3 Blades (Swedish Halberd Infantry)

But I don't know if that's right or not.

>>52375520
Can't do Poltava but I'd love to one day, don't have the miniatures for it.

>>52375526
I can do this no problem, but should I actually? would it incur the wrath the /hwg/ for being wildly anachronistic?
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>>52375561
Uymayyads - Napoleonic Russians should just be done as a Zulu type thing, I don't think /hwg/ cares too much as long as it's sufficiently entertaining and not passed off as serious business
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>>52375621
Uymayyads - Napoleonic Russians It is then.
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>>52375653
>grabs popcorn and spams F-5's.
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>>52375709
Hold your horses, it's going to be a fairly big battle (at least by my standards) so it'll take a little bit of setting up.
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>>52375709
>not having auto update checked
>2012 + 5
wew
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>>52375653
Almost to much to take a picture of. The situations evolve somewhat, now it's a joint Ayyubid-Uymayyad-Sudanese invasion of 1810's Russia. I'll let you come up with why/how this is happening.

I'm concerned about the Russian right flank, it's guarded by Cossacks and militia.
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>>52376090
Updates are going to grind down to quite a slow rate I'm afraid. Here's the end of round 2.
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>>52376302
Other flank.
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>>52374065
>what shit game is this?

Hmmm... let's see...

The post you seemingly can't understand has two links to previous posts referring the the Battle of Lake Trasimene. The picture has a lake in it. Hannibal is mentioned by name. Falminius is mentioned by name. Romans, Carthaginians, Gauls, Iberains, Numidians, Balearics, legions, peltasts,and triarii are all listed.

Beats me. It's a good thing you asked because we never would have been able to figure it out.

Asshole.
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>>52364499
Ran a couple of games using this setup, figured I'd post a brief AAR for you guys.

13th April in the year of our Lord 1389
Barrowburn, Northumbria

Starting Resources:
>0 Balance of Power
>1 Wealth
>0 Dissent

Mission 1:
>Objective: Pitched Battle (Held to Ransom)
>Weather: Miserable Downpour

As winter's grasp slackens, a group of Scottish reavers have crossed the border and raised merry hell amongst Godfrey's subjects. The banner of Fingal MacEalair's son flies above the rampaging warband. Capturing the laird's son and his closest retainers might yield some much needed cash to repair the defences around Barrow Hill, or hire some more soldiers to bulk out Godfrey's dwindling war party.

The Scotsmen were encamped around a burned out village, huddled amongst the ruined buildings to keep out of the driving rain. Godfrey's attack landed like a hammer blow, spearheaded by his two men-at-arms whilst the rest of his force outflanked the enemy. Scottish crossbowmen pinned Kester, Jamie and Roderick behind a dry stone wall, allowing some of the raiders to retreat in good order. Godfrey succeeded in capturing the enemy commander and one of his men-at-arms, despite suffering heavy casualties.

>Urbain: Ugly Scar
>Kester: Dead
>Roderic: Serious Wound, Maimed (Out of Action for 13 days, Lost an Arm)
>Fulk: Light Wound (Out of Action for 8 Days)

>+1 Morale for completing the mission and causing at least 2 enemies to go out of action.
>+1 Balance of Power for completing the mission

>Godfrey gains the Inspiring skill
>Baldric gains the Commanding Shout skill
>Mabon gains the Crack Shot skill
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>>52376613
While picking over the enemy encampment, Mabon comes across a brightly painted pavise, used by one of the Scottish crossbowmen. The Welsh archer hauls the large shield onto his back to use in the next battle.

At Barrow Hill, the royal tax collectors have descended on Godfrey's household. Godfrey loses 1 wealth.

In the remains of the Scottish camp, Fulk watches with wide eyes as Baldric demonstrates the workings of an intricate Italian-made arbalest.

The party acquires a warhorse from the Scottish camp, and Roderic's recovery time is reduced by 3 days.

>Godfrey gains +1 dissent for having 0 wealth.

>Time advances by 4 days.
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>>52376319
Moslem Cavalry collide with Russian Squares while light infantry battalions repel black skirmishes from a ploughed field.
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Can anyone recommend a proxy for South and Best Korean figures in 20mm? Some Spec Ops skirmish could be fun
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>>52371633

Panzer Grenadier has a pretty fun little scenario set in 1945 where you have to evacuate 105s off the board so you have to constantly weigh moving towards the board edge vs taking shots at the advancing T-34s and riflemen.
http://pg-hq.com/library.php?type=scenario&id=RtBr068
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>>52377092
Umayyads close in for the assault and are met with volleys for Russian gunfire.

It's unlikely I'll be able to finish this tonight but I'll give it a go.
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>>52377427
For Norks I'd recommend some soviet and middle eastern cold war dudes. Elhiem could be one good source. Unfortunately I cant help with South Koreans.
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Hey all, doing a test model for a ACW skirmish game I'm getting into.

I'd like to field a unit of one of the coloured units that took part in the war, but never painted dark skin before: what do you guys think of the skintone?
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Texas Revolution

http://www.mediafire.com/file/6685jfx67r74m62/Texas+Revolution.pdf

https://boardgamegeek.com/image/87646/texas-revolution

http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/Module:Texas_Revolution
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Texas Glory

http://www.mediafire.com/file/49b91fc9ftoabc9/Texas+Glory.pdf

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/11886/texas-glory-1835-36

http://www.vassalengine.org/wiki/Module:Texas_Glory
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BMP

>>52381806
Tone seems more olive than black. Add a hint of red undertone perhaps? http://www.lloydianaspects.co.uk/models/negro.html
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>>52384235
>lloydianaspects
...The fuck you trying to pull posting his shite?
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>>52384235
>Painting with humbrol
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>>52382636
>>52382661
Thanks anon, I'll add them to the folders later tonight. More hex&chit stuff is always welcomed.
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>>52381806
not black enough I'm afraid
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The Suomi Submachine Gun (Osprey Weapon 54)

Entering service in 1931, the 9x19mm Suomi KP/-31 submachine gun saw extensive combat with Finnish troops during their fight against Soviet forces in 1939-44. It was also manufactured under licence in Switzerland, Denmark and Sweden, and remained in Finnish service until the 1980s, an indication of its durability. Rugged and accurate, the Suomi was a favourite with Finnish ski troops who would strike from ambush, cutting down Soviet troops, then skiing away into the woods. Initially used by the Finns as a light machine gun at infantry squad level, it eventually became a dedicated submachine gun, and since it had been designed to be more accurate than the typical SMG, it was often even used as a sniping weapon, or to supplement longer-ranged rifles such as the Mosin-Nagant. Featuring first-hand accounts and specially commissioned colour artwork, this is the story of one of World War II's most distinctive and respected infantry weapons.

https://mega.nz/#!608DWY5Q!BxYFyhwuYd2XNAV6xSt1KqHfCcs4EiroacN-SmBsPTU
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Early US Armor: Tanks 1916-1940 (Osprey New Vanguard 245)

Between the two World Wars, the US contributed significantly to the development of the tank, a weapon invented by the British and the French seeking a way to break through the lines of German trenches. From the employment of the French Renault FT and British Mark V during their involvement in World War I, the US branched out with their own indigenous designs including the M1 Cavalry Car and the M2 Light and Medium tanks, the precursors to the Stuart and Grant tanks of World War II. Tank designers in this period faced unique challenges and so the story of early American armour is littered with failures amongst the successes. Featuring previously unpublished photos and fully illustrated throughout, Early American Armor (1): Tanks 1916-40 is essential reading for anyone interested in American armour, or in the development of tank design.

https://mega.nz/#!qsNR3JgZ!rwAZVb-ML_umIdRcZ6JrbE6jRWhrDkVtTAEIuEROdAs
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>>52384557
>>52384612
You folks appear to be quite angry about him.
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Anyone know of any Dino Japan japanese games, hex and chit or computer
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>>52390554
>>52390563
Thanks kind anon!
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My entry for this month's painting project: a rather obselete unit or vehicle.

For those not familiar: this is the Japanese Type 89 medium tank, a machine that was showing its age by the start of the war and served through all of it.
Despite this, they were often fairly effective in action, at least until the Allies started bringing in stuff like Shermans and Matilda Seniors.
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>>52393717
Looking mighty fine, anon.
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Hi all!

I just encountered two rules sets this weekend, and I'm looking for some PDF help.

Iron Ivan's Disposable Heroes and Coffin For Seven Brothers (and army lists), and

88, Armor, and Panzer by Yaquinto.
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>>52393717
so basically until the allies decided to counter-attack - gg
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Anyone do bolt action? Just drew up a new army list and was wondering if anyone could rate it?
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>>52394180
Some of us do, yeah, but I build my lists from historical platoon organizations instead of minmaxing, so not sure how much help I could offer.
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>>52394198

come up to just over 1000 points, ideal for a game although im fretting about my unit choices

each squad has ten men, all with rifles and an lmg, although one has an added smg and one has only 5 men
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>>52394055
DH/C7B should be in the OP. they're aren't many scans about for it. If they're not there I can upload what I've got. I've also got a phyiscal caopy of the British/Commonwealth lists but have not had the chance to scan it.
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>>52394326
You don't stand much chance against armor desu.
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>>52394456
forgot to say, there's a panzerfaust in every squad, they therefore count as tank hunters don't they, the free rifle squad have at grenades for free and I'm hoping that AT rifle will be lucky lol
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>>52393717
>Dat filename
Looking good anon. Incidentally, what are the bits on the rear of the tank for, preventing flips during hill climbing?
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>>52394550
To cross wide trenches; if the tank were shorter, it would get stuck in there.
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>>52394419
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two


Thanks mate! It's missing the DH book itself, and the Russian, US, and Italian books.
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>>52394419

Actually, I'm wrong--DH/C7B is there in one file, though it's a little rough.
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>>52394055

We have the basic ruleset, Britons and Germans and Early War scans on the throve. Check the WW2 section of the download area.

For the others, i'll dump my collection here.

SOVIETS

https://mega.nz/#!4jhCVZLJ!yjh7_XQ7rrJbLIliBKGk0ZHHOWUCpnUJ4pAovtzDOWA

ITALIANS (it's the first time someone gets this online, I swear)

https://mega.nz/#!pzJ22bJL!dZtwmpJHuNPS1-8RQj0U3unYaHxXafPflNx_JN-wuIk


AMERICANS

https://mega.nz/#!onJVAArA!6qZ8feuk60n7vEEaqfIGRZtzYb7E7eAmwmkf7b-TpaI

I can upload also their Afghan ruleset if there is interest. I have also the Pacific one, but there is an insane marking done by BrigadeGames to avoid sharing. If someone has any idea how to remove it, I can add that also.

Honestly though, their Pacific ruleset is kinda shit.
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>>52394419

I'm the anon that uploade the Italians\Soviets\etc, do you have their Vietnam release?

And ffs, I should scan my physical copy of Point Blank also.

Reminder that Disposable Heroes 2 is going to come out soonish, it's worth a check. It's a simple skirmish ruleset, but it has grown on me.
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>>52395205

Truly, you are a prince among men.
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>>52395333

Awww, there is a shitton of stuff from Iron Ivan I'll never gets thanks to them being Usalings. I'd love to try Age of Saints, I'd love if the fucks released their Warhammer 40k fanrules for Point Blank, I'd love to see their Rhodesian or Spanish Civil War expansions, but I can't spend 100+ Euros for something I'll never use.
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>>52395242

Isn't Point Blank for Vetnam?
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>>52384557
>>52384612
From the pictures they appear to have turned out quite well.
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painted some Waffen-SS. I still have to do the base and Reichsadler insignia, which is a pain in the ass to draw freehand...
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>>52395403

No. Point Blank is for single squad skirmish level. Same basics, more indepth rules for the single man. It's nice, but I'll admit that the high lethality of the DH system does not help a lot for small numbers.

The Long Road South is for Vietnam. What we have in the links is merely the China free expansion
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>>52395863
But I'm quite satisfied with how the cammo turned out.
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>>52395242

First time trying this....


https://mega.nz/fm/87wjEYhI
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>>52395242

Second time should be the charm:

https://mega.nz/#!M6hG2AAC!C1tbhMWWSznB3wBYAnb_RU3D0iBAkhbMqAue28IbVAU
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>>52395904
>>52395863

where do you want to apply the eagles?
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>>52396488

Again, that's just the Chinese armies supplement, widely and freely available. Thanks nonetheless!

Someone is interested in the Afghan expansion?
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>>52396744
left arm above the rank insignia
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>>52397020
Not necessarily worn on camo shirts/jackets though.
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>>52397149
oh no the smocks won't get them. only the M44 and green uniforms. still a bunch.
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>That moment when warlord is possibly gonna do the korean war next

Fuck yes.
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>>52397995
Don't hold your hopes up, it has no Germans in it. The Centurion is probably for K47.

I still hope P&S will get at least one new plastic kit with the ECW expansion...Cuirassiers, maybe Dragoons and/or harquebusiers...
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>>52398087
>Don't hold your hopes up, it has no Germans in it. The Centurion is probably for K47.

This.
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>>52397995
Not gonna lie, that would be pretty sweet.
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Painted up some a box of Zvezda's Cold War US figures. Compared to the Esci/Mars and Revell minis, these are...fine, I guess, but I'm not really sure why the pointing guy got the M203 and why couldn't they include another M16 pose instead of the duplicate or why it had to be an M60 instead of an M249. Still, a nice little set to add some more poses to my USMC in the Middle East.
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>>52400027
>or why it had to be an M60
>Cold War US

Answered your own question there, at least.
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Norman the Norman. I've forgotten the manufacturer, Renedra maybe when I got some Frostgrave sprues.
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>>52400414
It was aimed at the '80s and the M249 was introduced around that time, plus the M60 was never a fireteam level weapon. Add that to the really scarce M249 in 1:72 (the Revell set has 2 poses, one Caesar set has 1 pose) and you'll understand the reason of my frustration.

>>52400439
It's a Conquest norman. The pose looks weird but the paintjob is nice.
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>>52400439
>The norman looks at you with disgust and discomfort, as if unsure whether to kill you or go home and reconsider conquering a land that could spawn such a debased creature
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>>52399954
>>52398087
>>52398254

Well they might even do vietnam.

My real hope is korea.
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>>52402261
Could you get away with using WWII models for US troops in Korea? In that case the only difficulty would be models for Chinese/DPRK forces.

Although imo air wargaming is still best for korea. Dem sweet early jets.
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HOW was barbed wire used in ww2??
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>>52402481
I believe a lot less than in WWI because of the wide use of tanks which can just roll right over the stuff.
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>>52402534
I'm interested in how it was arranged for terrain purposes
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Genuinely curious dude here:

What's with the fascination with WW2? Looking on from the outside it seems to lack many of the traits other succesfull "settings" so to speak carry, where is the appeal here?

To explain why I'm not just baiting/trolling/whatever, I come from a super liberal/anti-war household in Germany and pretty much had no exposure at all to WW2 since the schools don't cover it either. So I'm wondering if I'm just overlooking the appeal.
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>>52402693
Large geographic scope, massive impact on human history, very well documented, interesting characters and events on all sides.
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>>52402727
Huh, so more on the reenactment side of things? That makes sense, thanks.
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>>52402761
I wouldn't necessarily say reenactment specifically, it's just that since it was the single largest conflict ever and has had a huge amount of books, documentaries, movies and so on devoted to it there's a huge amount of material to draw on.
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>>52402693
It was literally the event that shaped the world we live in today.

I'm not trying to be a dick here, but why do you have a hard time imagining that would be something people pay a lot of attention to?
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>>52403155
He's german, they don't teach them anything about the war as they're concerned the youth will rise up and finish what Hitler started.
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>>52402576
Usually depends on the army involved, the theatre they were in, and how much time they had to set it up. If you look through our Ospreys on defensive tactics (in the Elite line) or defenses themselves (Fortification line) you might find some good stuff. Contemporary photos would be a great source.
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>>52402693
Its mostly about the vehicles and weapons. Almost infinite different types of vehicles and variants, and many interesting weapons.
Some pretty interesting tactics like blitzkrieg. The scope like other anons said was just as big as WW1, and bigger, factoring the second Sino-Japanese war and war in the pacific.

Plus is the most recent "massive war", full of colorful factions and characters. And its very well documented, hundreds of documentaries, thousands of books, memoirs and first hand accounts. You can immerse yourself in it pretty easily.
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>>52403546
And easy enough to balance different sides compared to major power vs insurgents where you need more complicated rules
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>>52403701
True that, but there are still areas that are difficult to balance - Finnish winter war (getting motti tactics right and having snow be an important limiting factor for soviets only), most of the partisan actions, Chinese guerrilla actions against the Japanese. Still a bit of asymmetrical warfare, which gives the conflict even more depth.
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Well just placed my order for a nice australian force for bolt actiom to go against my buddies japs... or marines but eh details.

Got two commando units, two regular sections that are gonna be getting some chindit heads for the hats, a mmg team and a mortar team, and finally a m3 stuart.

Can't wait to get started building and painting.
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>>52403897
Oh yeah, all the bits fuck all people play and even fewer care about getting 'right'.
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>>52404179
Exactly, there's enough variety that even people who have been gaming WW2 their whole life can find areas they haven't covered and that are lesser known. China for example was one of the largest areas of struggle, yet almost completely ignored in western history. That's where the bulk of the Japanese army was tied down for the entire war, yet its the US taking some small islands from local conscripts that gets all the glory.
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>>52403897
>Chinese guerrilla actions against the Japanese

Well, yeah, when one side is that overpowered I imagine it is very hard to balance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw0kg2GWVHo
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>>52404521
yeah need special rules for throwing 2 grenades at once :^)
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>>52405778
And for carrying an infinite supply of stick grenades?
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>>52402693
Lots of cheap 1:72 figures and vehicles.
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>>52405822
And using a Hellcat before it was put into production.
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>>52408364
Totsugeki/10
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>>52402693
I can't trace the path for my fascination (Horrrible Histories books might have something to do with it), but the greatest war of all time that left nobody in the developing world untouched and brought up many future grogs with war stories from grandpapies probably helps.

Plus, it's a war that has tanks, planes, clear cut bad guys, an enormous variety of locations, cool uniforms, cool tanks, and an endless amount of trivia (as well nerd fights) as you go in.

Did you know that Panther was actually quite shit? Or that the Soviets weren't incompetent (past '41-42...) and human waves are basically BS? What about the deHavilland Mosquito, the wooden wonder? The Nazi procurement failures (many and hilarious)? The idiotic early war multi turret tanks?

Basically, you have endless space for development with WWII. To paraphrase a joke about ACW,
If you know little about WWII, you think Tiger I was the best tank because it had a big gun and a lot of armor.
If you know something about WWII, you think Tiger I is a bad tank it's heavy, hard to produce and the armor isn't angled.
If you know a lot about WWII, you known that Tiger I is the best tank because it looks cool.
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>>52409218
>clear cut bad guys
Agree.
Too bad they won.
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>>52409811
*beep beep*
Just cruising at 600km/h in my wooden plane that was glued together by drunk New Zealanders, what are you gonna do, Luftfailures?
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>>52409861
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>>52409218
>clear cut bad guys
Not sure this is a bonus. In wargaming you really want ambiguous bad guys, otherwise someone has to play as the bad guys, and this always seems to trigger someone "why would you EVER play as the Germans? You must be racist"
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>>52409914
Oh, yeah, sorry about that. It's even more ambiguous if you're from Eastern Europe: the Nazis are bad, the Soviets aren't that great either... so British?
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>>52409941
Did someone mention the clusterfuck that was the Raj?

Yeah, any of the big 5 can be seen as bad guys, some of them just so very much more.
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>>52409914
That can also be seen as a chance to educate them about their distorted view of reality.
Or a good filter to avoid them in the future.
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>>52409941
Oh, no need to apologise, frankly as a Brit I can't help but see us as the "good guys" but that's what spending so long in a nation's education system will do - I have no problem with anyone playing any side of any conflict that I've played.
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>>52409914
>>52409966
"Because I like Panzer IIIs.
And if I win, I win. If I lose, the Nazis lose."

Italy is the unsung hero/ethical option of WWII gaming: sucked at everything (outside of special operations, I guess), half of them defected near the end, had horrible gear, and joined the Germans hoping to get back for being duped at the WWI negotiation table (and they sucked in WWI, too).
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>>52410003
>Italy is the unsung hero/ethical option of WWII gaming
Poland are an fun choice too!
Someone I know wrote a ruleset for Division/corps ww2 in 3mm and I almost bought like 2 Polish Cavalry Divisions with attached machine gun armed tankettes. Don't think it would have been strong, but horses and qt metal boxes might have been fun.
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>>52410003
Italy's biggest problems were idiotic leadership at the higher levels, and lack of resources and industrial capacity. Poor inter-service coordination doesn't help either.

Some of this can be forgiven in WWII because like Japan, Italy had hoped to rapidly achieve a favorable position from which to negotiate a profitable cessation of hostilities, and they had no idea what the hell they were actually getting themselves into.
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>>52409914
>In wargaming you really want ambiguous bad guys

I'm just going to point at the continued success of 40k here.
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Anyone have the Spectre Operations full pdf pls?

TY!
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>>52402693
basically this: >>52402727

plus extreme technological advances and also still living (less and less) living witnesses
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>>52373314
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/nlyuxlql9ao5rwt/Osprey+-+CAM+305+-+Kursk+1943+%282%29+Southern+Front.pdf
>>52373319
>>52373331
>>52373340
>>52373358
WOW! Many thanks.
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>>52410003

My personal favourite to play is Yugoslavia. Who managed to fight both against the Axis, while also fighting a 4-sided civil war at home. Yet another glorious clusterfuck in the long-running clusterfuck that is Slavic history.
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Got my March Community Project stuff finally photographed.

I have the two Andrea Doria-class battleships, Andrea Doria and Caio Duilio, ready to receive Swordfish anon's torpedoes at Taranto.

Next is French battleship Bretagne, lead ship of her class. The AA:WaS mini for whatever reason reflected her pre-modernization self, so I made an attempt to add the tripod mast and extra superstructure. The result is a bit exaggerated, but I'm not gonna beat myself up too bad for a first try. With her is the Duguay-Trouin class cruiser Primaguet.

Then we have Georgios Averoff, a Pisa-class Armored Cruiser built for Greece by the Italians and outfitted by the British.

Last, the Nagara-class light cruiser Nagara, and two Sendai-class light cruisers Sendai and Jintsu.
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>>52414675
Was it just good luck the the obsolete Swordfish ruined the lives of so many axis boats or was there something special about it?
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>>52409941
>so British?
The ones that sold out their allies that they started the war over, the Poles? That bombed their other ally's fleet in port just in case?
The British have never been the 'good guys' in anything.

Further, I would say that no historical event HAS 'good guys' or 'bad guys', it's a very simplistic way to look at things. I'm an American and to me the Taliban are the 'bad guys'. But an Aghani has every reason to see things very, very differently.
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>>52415211
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE moral relativists get out
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is there a scan of the full Maurice rules/cards yet?
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>>52415305
Generally I hate moral relativists and have very strict principles but in the realm of geopolitics I think considering just one perspective isn't appropriate
Also I hate Limeys
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>>52415211
Mers El Kebir was pretty shitty.


>>52415020

I think it was a case of it being a reliable, versatile machine, and in the case of Taranto, nobody having been especially prepared for something like that to happen.
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>>52415211
Of course you do have to ask the question of what we could even do for Poland with Soviet troops in full control of the East? Is Unthinkable something you think should have happened?

Destroying the French fleet was slightly fucked but so would losing control of the seas if the Vichy French failed to scuttle their ships by chance or design, it feels more like a clash of honer and necessity where no one was going to blink.
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Anyone happens to have Wargames Illustrated Issue 210? I'm interested in the Mujahideen painting guide, so if someone has a physical copy and could scan it for me, I'd be grateful.
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>>52416921
Coincidentally I'm looking for the exact same thing. If anyone has it it'd be nice
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>>52418194
Well, in case I come across, I'll upload it to here.

Can take photos of the FoF Afghanistan painting guide if you wish, sadly it's just text, no pics.
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Just got my kampgruppe Peiper and it's lovely. I fucking love tanks.
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>>52415925
I think it has more to do with the general appeasement attitude, selling off Czechoslovakia and what not.
And then selling the lot of them off to the soviets.
Seriously, anyone who sells somebody else to the soviets is inhumane.
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>>52419407
Yeah and I get that, I really do but again what was the other valid option? What should they have done?

I don't want to paint Chamberlain as some unsung hero but I think he get a bit of an unfair shake, he did his best and to stop another terrible European war shit show that no one wanted and perhaps more importantly not a single member of the Allies was ready for.

And you can call it selling Eastern Europe to the Soviets and that is a terrible thing but I have to ask again does that mean you think Operation Unthinkable was the correct play?
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>>52419759
Yeah it is very easy to say 'well that was shitty' with hindsight.

Czechoslovakia existed as a country for what? 20 years? Before that being a part of the German and Austro Hungarian Empires. Also if you DO oppose the annexation, how and what do you actually do? Then what about the Soviet threat on the Eastern border? all the while the Spanish Civil War is going on compounding the problem.
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>>52419957
>>52419759
Well, risking topic derailment, I think the first dick move was the US pulling out of the League of Nations they themselves helped establish.
I know the public wanted nothing to do with anything, but as an economic superpower, there's lots of things to do before you actually start spreading democracy by force.
Also, the bongs rightly thought they were in a tight spot all the way since 1928, but ignoring the problem(s) just enabled them to snowball and blow up on their face, just see how prepared they were to stop Mussolini's shit in Ethiopia, but didn't force the French into an intervention agreement and then thought the Germans/Japanese would be all over them if they were distracted in the Med.
This was before Germany had any dangerous ship save the Panzerschiffes, which were lolslow anyways.
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What would you guys recommend for putting together an Irish Saga warband? I am planning on getting the 4 pt starter set, the GBP Dark Age Warriors kit, and mounted warlord. Would that be all I need for full sized games?
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>>52421563
Irish never went to war so?????
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>>52421789
...lulwut?
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>>52421834
those are japanese, not irish
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>>52421789
Are you special needs?
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>>52421888
So?
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>>52421940
so it negates your point?
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>>52421975
Hardly. It's merely an image unrelated to the statement. Or as would occasionally be included with a post: [image unrelated].
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>>52421789
>Irish never went to war
In the Saga timeframe the Irish went to war on a great many occasions.
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>>52402693
>the schools don't cover it either
Christ that makes the whiny revisionism in US history classes seem tolerable.
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>>52415211
>Taliban are the 'bad guys'. But an Aghani has every reason to see things very, very differently.

Yeah, no. There's very little 'moral relativity' when it comes to people like Nazis, ISIS, Taliban or Khmer Rouge.
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>>52410752
Warhammer is a cartoon.
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>>52424947
Your sex life is imaginary.
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>>52415020
Being so slow that AA fire gave it too much lead helped. They just didn't expect it to be so crawlingly slow.
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>>52424198
Taliban were the good guys in the soviet afghan war in the 70s-80s, and by that logic, also the good guys in the US invasion of Afghanistan. Both countries invaded for very little reason (soviets to "prevent the spread of Islam" for example)
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>>52426921
>soviets to "prevent the spread of Islam" for example

I thought that was the US excuse?
inb4 'that's the joke'
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>>52424198
Also there were nazi parties in most countries during the 30s. I remember someone saying Schindler was a nazi. So yeah, there is plenty of moral relativity. Many ISIS conscripts don't have much of a choice - They're poor, their city is destroyed and their families are dead, and someone comes along and says "we'll feed you, clothe you, look after you, give you guns and let you blow shit up" most young kids and teenagers in that position would gladly join up. I'm not saying ISIL's motives are good, but plenty of people in ISIL are just regular people but brainwashed or with no hope for making it own their own (kill or be killed kind of deal)
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>>52426941
US goal was to "dismantle the taliban" - a group they helped create and arm during the soviet afghan war. Still a pretty weak reason to invade a country, but eh, superpowers can do whatever they like.
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Guys, I am about to make my first order on Napoleonic French from Warlord next week. Do you happen to have this 10% discount code?
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>>52427420
No, but here's a 10GBP coupon from the previous thread, valid till April 10th.

MADMARCH-5btddasf
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>>52427441
awesome! thank you anon.
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Does anyone have Art de La Guerre PDF, please?
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>>52421563
Dogs for objective capping, then hearthguard. Irish abilities are BS.
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>>52426921
Those weren't the Taliban. They emerged as the top dogs after the Afghan civil war, which lasted up to 1995 or so.

>>52426950
Oh, they're bad, but then you can look who created it (hint: everyone who backed the stupid, unnecessary and tragically mismanaged invasion in Iraq).
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Where can I find this book?
(PDF, of course)
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To the anon who recommended Battlefields of Germany in the last thread about the Thirty Years War: thanks, a friend found the Kindle version of it for 0.99GBP on Amazon, so I'm happy. Thanks again.

Started outlining the ideas of the TYW skirmish and settled with the d10. Will include cards too because I love cards.
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>>52427873
https://mega.nz/#F!r1k2xRyB!w8Se4qw204aRnPnRKXJb9A
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>>52426950
>I remember someone saying Schindler was a nazi.
He was.
>be young and hate jews
>join the nazis
>enjoy nazi privileges
>nazis start on delivering on their promises and are killing jews
>Schindler is Wtf I signed up for the Madagascar idea and starts sabotaging
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BIG QUESTION:
I can see most of you talk about "wargames". Can someone please explain to me what they are? Or if they are worth trying? *no bait, just curious*
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>>52428090
It's miniature wargaming but historically related.
Like advanced chess with fuckloads of rules
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>>52428110
Online, board game or what?
And how do you play it?
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>>52428136
My game is Bolt Action which is a world war two game. Here you purchase little plastic dudes and tanks, assemble and paint them and then there are rules for them. So you face an opponent on a table with terrain on it and then you play it out.
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>>52428150
pics are unrelated btw
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>>52428090
>>52428136
They're strategy games based around simulating (to a greater or lesser extent) armed conflicts. We mostly deal with the miniatures sort here but there are also conventional boardgames as well as vidya that fit the category of wargames.

In these threads we specifically deal with wargames that involve historical wars and battles like WWII, the Napoleonic Wars etc. There are also plenty of Scifi and fantasy wargames.
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If you've got any Universes that need Carrying PSC have got your back.
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>>52428312
>15mm

"Well yeah, fuck the 1:72 crowd. No British heavy weapons still? No 1:72 figures in general since the US heavy weps? Pfffth, who gives a shit, 15mm is where its at."
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>>52428369
to be fair it's not like the 1/72 crowd haven't got other choices when it comes to WW2
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>>52428389
flames of war apologist scum
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>>52428389
For universal carriers? No we don't. If they don't release those quickbuild T-55s either, I'll be mildly upset.

Also, they released UK Para heavy weapons in 15mm. No such thing in 1:72 plastic. Heck, the paras available are old as shit and/or second class anyways.
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>>52428455
>>52428399
>>52428369
Probably because you can shovel cash from the FoW crowd while 1:72 has such world-famous games like
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>>52428007
Cool. I have the rulebook but haven't played yet. I have enough for 2 full 200 point armies painted up. (Early Imperial Roman & Macedonian)

Should really give it a go.
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>>52428794
It's not like 1:72 is one of the most popular scale for scale modelers or anything. It's not like you can play any 28mm WW2 game in 1:72. It's not like Battlegroup is backed by PSC and the main scale of it is 1:72. It's not like anything.
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>>52365119
They're on the forums.
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>>52428455
>T-55

The Trumpeter kits are very nearly quick build as is
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>>52429361
And have a single version included with no commander.
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>>52395863
your minis are so dark man. Next time use 2 shades lighter, or better yet add another lighter layer to your current minis. which is a paint in the cunt because of the camo dots

>>52373340
thanks!
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>>52428312
any chances for a 28mm release?
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>>52429735
Warlord games 28mm carrier is actually an upscaled PSC carrier. But an older/different sprue with way less options.
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>>52429749
So, maybe?
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>>52429764
i don't think so actually.

The very first warlord plastic kits were originally PSC (not only the carrier). But lately Warlord does work with Italeri for all their tank kits and PSC ignores (or maybe has a deal with warlord regarding that) 28mm. They have their 3 sets with russians (upscaled stuff from their own 15mm range) but nothing besides that. In theory they could release tons of stuff in 28mm if they wanted and since they have alot of vehicles in their smaller ranges that nobody else does in 28mm/plastic people would probably buy it like crazy.
Them not doing it makes me think that there could be a deal with warlord regarding that. But who knows. Maybe the owner(s?) just hate 28mm.
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>>52429749
You mean the 1:72 sprue?
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>>52429961
i'm not sure. It looks exactly like the orange "generic carrior" on that 15mm picture above.
The pose of the two guys in the back gives it away.
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>>52429971
I'm fairly sure it was the 1:72 version. It had no options whatsoever (only to build Mk I or Mk II), but not even an extra Bren for the passengers.
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15% off coupon for Warlord, till April 17th:

EASTEREGG2017
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>>52428007
Thanks Anon! You are awesome!!!
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>>52431739
Thanks. i would have missed it.
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>>52421834
>>52421940
>>52422032
they're not irish
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>>52432654
Are you sure about that?
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>>52432850
I see nothing wrong here.
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>>52433538

And a ching chong nip nong to you, too, young Paddy.
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>>52432850
well no clearly they're japanese
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>>52433646
Astute observation then, you can have a Captain Obvious gold star if I can find one for your accurate pointing out of the obvious.
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>>52433646
No, they are Irish. Eastern Irish.
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So how about those Irish mercenaries during the English Civil War and the 30 Years War?

Really was a hell of propaganda coup for the parliamentarians that it was even believable that Charles would bring Catholic Irish over to aid his forces.
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>>52434537
Well giving parliament the finger for about 13 years while doing all sorts of shady shit to raise what are legally not taxes tends to make you unpopular.
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God Warlords Panther kit is a shit one.
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>>52434537
again those are japanese not irish
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>>52435442
Stop with the lies.
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>>52435442
Huh?

>>52434851
It's kinda odd how much of that stuff is ignored by wargamers, people always seem to see Parliament automatically as the badguys (and of course the Royalists as the good guys), mostly due to shit, a lot of which has been exaggerated or is missing vital context, that happened after the war which is just intellectually dishonest or wilful ignorance.
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>>52435637
Well Parliament *did* ban christmas after they won.

Also in Ireland I think Cromwell is viewed as like super Hitler.
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>>52435637
>people always seem to see Parliament automatically as the badguys
you must not be from the UK.
Literally everyone I've ever met sees the Crown as the badguys.
t. Hampshire anon
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>>52435652
>Irish
>Knowing what they're going on about

Pick one.

>>52435657
Basically this. Charlie, while not evil was misguided in his attempts. It then swung the other way with the Pride's Purge and the Rump.

I do however have a soft spot for Cromwell. I believe you can tell how exasperated he gets from just the clusterfuck around him and thinks 'fuck it, I'll do it myself'.
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>>52435637
Im starting to think you just dont understand the difference between irish and japanese
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>>52435657
Weirdly, no, I'm also a Hampshire anon.

And I've seen it a lot online too.
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>>52435652
Christmas is UNGODLY. All people do is FORNICATE and DRINK.

What have you done in the fight against GODLESSNESS today /hwg/?

NO POPERY
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>>52435748
That's a really nice army...colours of Dublin, right?
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>>52435764
County Mayo actually.
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>>52435763
Syre I did notice mine neighbore donning clothynge of garyshe coloure. I didde reprimand him moste promptwise and provyded him with vestmentes of a more godly beige.
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>>52435764
>>52435748
First Paddy's Musket Legion
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>>52435789
Ah, I always get that one wrong.
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>>52435748
Hmm, perhaps we just move in different circles.

Frankly I have a soft spot for the Royalists because I'm a modern day monarchist and I just can't help but love the foppishness.
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>>52435795
Why do you speak Japanese, we don't understand.
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>>52435835
Gomenesai, watashi meantu dokidoki desu senpai
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>>52435849
I don't speak Irish either.
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>>52435859
Tiocfaidh ar la guinness guinness blarney feck
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>>52435884
I'm sorry I don't speak carbomb.
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>>52435884
>tfw popery is back
Cromwell when?
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>>52435747
I'm wondering why you're seeing a correlation of some kind between the Japanese and Irish. It's kinda weird.

>>52435652
I'm glad you said Parliament rather than Cromwell on that first point, all too often it's blamed entirely on him. Much like the Irish things which are somewhat exaggerated and misdirected and I believe large chunks are shit that didn't happen let alone got distorted.

Cromwell really gets a bum deal. Ok yeah he fucked up a whole lot after the war but during the war he was just a really good cavalry commander, something the Parliamentarians desperately needed.
Am glad his statue is still outside of the Parliament, exile actually worked out better for him in the long run. And the rest of us, I mean even with the restoration, the Monarchy knew not to push shit like Charles did again and avoided something like the French revolution happening down the line.
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>>52410752
Well, all the factions are either cartoonishly over the top, which makes it morally ok again skullraping one baby is a crime, skullraping every baby on the planet at once is hilarious are are ambigious.
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>>52435905
Yeah the Monarchy did a pretty good job of shifting with the times and general opinion, rather than the French blow outs.
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>>52435932
Mostly because of the Civil War to be honest. Parliament FORCED the monarchy to change with the times. After all money for the Monarchy was voted in by parliament. Not that Parliament were very strict, they gave the SHITTER prince Regent tonnes of money for his womanising and gambling but, hey - Filial respect for your godly monarch is important.
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>>52376613
>>52376626

I dig this shit, so I hope the lack of responses doesn't discourage you from posting more.
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>>52424198
>i recite everything im told
Anon, if you look at things from their perspective, then youd probably understand why they did what they did.
>ISIS
Want a homogenous society for muslims only
>Taliban
US supported freedom fighters till they decided they didnt like the US
>Khmer Rouge
Primitivist commies wanted to go back to a simpler farming time.
>Nazis
Germany got fucked in the ass after WWI for something they didnt even start, and then fucked again in 1919 and 1920 by communist revolutionaries see jews becoming one of the poorest and worthless countries in Europe, and as France occupied the industrial region of Germany after 1919 due to German debt, they were able to gain massive sympathy from European colonies and other oppressed group such as Croats and Canaanites in British occupied palestine.
Its incredibly relative you plebe.
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>>52436627
I think it's important to note that -everybody- hated Weimar, except for the social democrats. Going into the 1930's, pretty much everyone knew something was coming that was going to replace the republic, but Nazism and the Third Reich was not the inevitable outcome.
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Anyone got a source on Old Kingdom egyptian minis? Got a hankering for some *really* ancient man fights.
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>>52421563
Yes. I'd suggest looking at Footsore minis too - they do some great SAGA Irish.

As far as SAGA goes, you'll want some of those fancy Irish Mini-Warlords, and a unit of javelin levy is probably a good idea.
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>>52436985
no those are SAGA japanese
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>>52436627
The Khmer Rouge massacred their own people wholesale.
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>>52436274
I do too, looks a lot of fun. Reminds me of Necromunda from years ago :-D
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>>52437004
Oh sorry, my mistake.

>>52436985
>>52421563
A follow up. Bring lots of trees and terrain. The Irish love wooded ground almost as much as the cowardly Welsh.
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>>52436627
>US supported freedom fighters till they decided they didnt like the US
No? Taliban are post-Soviet, formed mostly around Pakistan-educated/trained personnel. They were opposed to the formerly US-backed groups who ended up part of the actual Afghan government, mainly because of the general atrocity-ness of the Afghan Civil War. The "official" start of the Taliban is them going after a military officer after he kidnapped two girls from a village some of them were in, so they geared up and got them back. They've got a surprisingly sympathetic backstory (but definitely not actions, like when they executed their own guy who had met with the head of the Afghan government to reject an offer for peace because he didn't kill the government leader when he had the chance).
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>>52431739
>gf asks how I'm getting on with "My little war guys"
>mention last discount code posted here
>she makes warlord games account so I can abuse the code twice
>new code posted
>time to abuse code

thanks anon. I'm tempted to try calling them up and saying I got a warped mini in my set so they send me a free kit but then at the same time I'm like "No they're a good company and its wrong to cheat them"
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>>52437526
If it makes you feel any better, I'm still pissed at Warlord for buying out Wargames Factory's lines and then repackaging them as something else.

Especially their new Samurai game, which uses the WGF stuff - the shittiest rank-filler plastic models I've ever used.
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>>52437603
I am upset that they haven't and won't put up some of the old WGF figured. The Greek skeletons were actually nice. Other stuff will never materialize again because they directly compete with Warlord's existing figures.
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>>52437783
Yeah, I miss WGF's fantasy stuff.

The WW2 stuff is still over at Dreamforge though.
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>>52437603
yeap I've heard and seen WGF models and they're pretty poor quality. Tbh the only problem now is what do I get? A lot of their hail caeser stuff is victoria, GBF etc so I'm thinking what do buy
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>>52437996
The WGF woodland indians are quite nice for WGF.

What are you looking for?
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>>52402693
>What's with the fascination with WW2
It's complicated, someone could write a Psychology/Sociology thesis on it.

Poor attempt at a TL;DR:
Several major nations (France, GB+friends, USA, Russia) are convinced they won the war single handedly.
None one of those countries had a "good" war since. Either they lost (Vietnam vs. France and America, USSR vs. Afghanistan), or they were the Goliath in a David vs. Goliath scenario (Falklands, Gulf War).
WWII isn't politically controversial (in the same way more recent conflicts are).
>Muh greatest generation.
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>>52438010
not entirely sure desu. I was thinking more germans to balance out my american/german BA starter set the assault on normandy but at the same time I'd like something different as like a little side project I guess
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>>52437526
>that filename

topkek
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>>52438089
I wouldn't mix Warlord and WGF
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>>52438353
Yeah I'm thinking about going for British commandos cause I think I already have the BA british rules from here and I can have a small game of like a commando raid or whatever
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