/STG/ - Star Trek General

I have a question.

What the fuck is up with the Deferi?

>>52334031
Cryptic went and tried to make an original race. They came up with fish heads that apply the same kind of logic and emotional suppression as the Vulcans, only without the self preservation instinct.

>>52334031
Original Cryptic dev team made a race of OC Donut Steels. Current dev team doesn't care about them so they generally ignore them and made their own race of OC Donut Steels.

>>52334176
I actually quite like the lukari.

>>52334031
We are on /tg/ right? They're a race of Mostly True Neutral.

>>52334215
They lose points for pussying out on the "make first contact with a lesser developed race" part and making them actually an ancient more advanced race all along like a bunch of snowflakes. It was neat when they were all "what in the actual fuck is going on, what the hell", but then they decided to go the "protomatter? pfft, ez mode for us, look how special we are" route.

>>52334314

Yeah. I'm not fond of the protomatter thing.

>>52334615
I'd be fine with it if it had been they had learned to harness protomatter out of necessity because it somehow forms naturally in their home planet, but they went the "lol we're actually ancient super aliens all along, psyche" route.

>>52334691
STO is an interesting case study for sustaining a setting. It falls into the usual pitfall of everything escalating to a point of impossibility, seemingly learns from it's mistakes and then fall back into the same old bullshit trap again.

>>52334851
And it's so fucking stupid because there's a metric buttload of material they could've used to stretch things out even more. We got 7 seasons worth of Voyager condensed into one expansion and two sector blocks.

So does the Federation have the right to impose its will on the Maquis colonies after they willingly left the UFP? Because it seems like they should probably not.

>>52335458
They only really went after the maquis because the maquis started stealing from their legit colonies and transports at gunpoint.

>>52335507
Also they were provoking the Cardassians and violating a treaty. Starfleet HAD to go after them to avoid a war... which Gul Dukat dragged tbe spoonheads into anyways.

>>52335584
Still makes me wonder how well the Maquis would have continued to fare had the Dominion not gotten involved.

>>52335676
I figure if the Cardassians had straight-out invaded the DMZ, the Maquis wouldn't have lasted a week. What I find more surprising is that it doesn't seem like the Maquis came into conflict with Klingons, during their invasion.

>>52335458
If they don't then they're basically giving them up to Cardassian authority, which is even worse for the Maquis.

>>52335777
If anything the Klingons would've left the Maquis alone, maybe even worked together under-the-table since the Maquis were against both the Cardassians and the Federation, same as the Klingons. Would've been interesting to see an episode where a Maquis-controlled colony is secretly operating as a Klingon base. Definitely some lost potential on that front.

Hell, I can see the Klingons actually respecting the Maquis. They are simply fighting for their homes and families against threats much greater than they. By Klingon standards that's honorable as fuck.

>>52335843
The Maquis were basically space anclaps screeching about Starfleet violating the NAP.

>>52335843
Worf didn't think so about the Maquis in "For the Cause". He specifically called them terrorists and dishonorable.

>>52335935
Yeah but that was Worf, pretty much every real Klingon thinks he's a weirdo.

>>52335965
Touche. However it is still funny that he always represents Klingoness in ST, even though he is very much an atypical Klingon.

>>52336003
Worf's perspective is also very much skewed by being raised in the Federation. He sees Starfleet as being mighty and honorable, and therefore the Maquis are dishonorable and treacherous simply because they go against the Federation.

>>52336037
Which makes scenes like in "Birthright" all that much more hilarious. We have one of the most non-Klingon Klingons lecturing actual Klingons and their Romulan hybrid offspring on what it means to be Klingon.

>>52336122
I mean, it kinda makes sense in that Worf is a "rules as written" kind of guy. He lived his life following the code that Klingons say they follow. Not his fault that the Klingons themselves don't follow it as well as they claim to.

Acts of terrorism in order to defeat a superior foe? Of course the Empire would be all over that. They're the ones that use cloaked ships, after all.

>>52335918
>The Maquis were basically space anclaps screeching about Starfleet violating the NAP.
u wot
>be federation citizen
>make a colony on an unclaimed world
>be there 20 years
>cardies and feds have a war near you; worrying, but until they actually get to your world it's none of your concern
>feds negotiate your world away to the cardies for no good reason
>tell you to leave or live under the cardies
>they don't want you there, but can't force you out either
>continue living on your world that you built up, but now with new neighbors
>new neighbors and government oppress you and shoot at you
>this violates the treaty
>tell federation to do something about it
>lol no muh treaty
>take action to defend self
>NOW starfleet does something - against you
>muh treaty
>wtf
>twll starfleet to stuff it, continue to take action against scaly faggots
>spoonheads say this is a treaty violation, start hunting you, violating treaty themselves
>starfleet helps them anyways

>muh ancap

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Uses for a photon torpedo not sanctioned by Starfleet.

>>52339726
Breaching tool.

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>>52339726
Snake habitat

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S T I L L
U N S T O P P A B L E

>VOY S3E15
>hydrazine leak in a shuttle
It's CURRENT STARDATE, why is hydrazine still used as a power source?

>>52341121
Emergency thrusters, since it can decompose to produce gas+heat without any other substance being added or the external application of energy?

>>52339726
Prophecy fulfilment and generally fucking with the beliefs of barbarians

>>52338372
>>new neighbors and government oppress you and shoot at you

What makes the Maquis ambiguous and interesting is that we'll never know whether the shooting came before or after the violent rebellion started. The Cardies will *always* give you one answer, and the Maqs will *always* give you another. It's very compelling.

>>52341438
I grew up in the shadow of a similar conflict. Both sides are right in their own minds. Worse still, they both think they're being reasonable, that it's the other side's fault that things have come to violence. The truth is rarely so black and white.

It was likely a gradual escalation. It starts with petty bickering, land disputes. Then the Cardassians curtail the Maquis from importing certain equipment essential for colony maintenance. The Maquis start smuggling in equipment. The Cardies start introducing the Maqs to their justice system.the Maqs start smuggling weapons. The Cardies encourage their police forces to press the Maqs. The Maquis start publicly protesting. The Cardies see this as a prelude to open rebellion.

In the end it doesn't matter who shot first. There were 2 dancers on that tango from the beginning.

>>52339726
Shooting first.

>>52339726
Orbital bombardment.

>>52338372
>fed citizens to begin with
>colonies wouldn't have been there in the first place without fed involvement
>muh colony we not real fed we gud boyz
>demand extraterritoriality despite living in cardie space
>get mad when cardies tell you to live by cardie laws while living in cardie space
>go whining back to the feds you left
>get buttmad when feds laugh in your face
Even the Bajorans had a point because they didn't exactly agree to get invaded, but the Maquis always struck me as hypocritical and full of shit.

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>>52341021
bitch please

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>>52344099
Step back, you little shits!

>>52341021
>The Romulan raptor clutches the Klingon empire in front of it, almost like a meat shield that can be discarded when no longer necessary.

Sounds about right.

>>52344194
>Gets access to a ship approximately a century in advance of it's current tech level.
>hasn't made any significant improvements to the design a century later.
>Gets assfucked into oblivion by Klingons and Cardassians soon thereafter.

>>52339726
Hiding cryopods

>>52339726
Gorn dildo.

>>52338372

Just throwing this out there, but maybe just maybe humans need to relax their manifest destiny boner a bit and stop planting a flag on every M-class world they encounter- particularly those that are closer to the space inhabited by other civilizations than to their own.

You think they might have learned this after Cestus III, or the colony that nearly got glassed for being in Sheliak space, or the colonies near the Klingon and Romulan borders that are threatened every time diplomatic relations with those powers break down.

>>52346685
Nope, never gonna happen, because the Federation is and has always been the United States of America in Space. Manifest Destiny is in their blood and bones.

>>52346685
>not using "the plight of your helpless colonists" as a moral obligation to go to war and expand your territory.

It's like you don't even expansionist state, bro.

>>52346685
It's implied that the conflict, and any sort of border tensions with the opposing power, came well after the initial colonisation.

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>>52346685
>particularly those that are closer to the space inhabited by other civilizations than to their own
So they should just not colonize anything that someone else might someday maybe want to claim as their own?

>>52346685
>particularly those that are closer to the space inhabited by other civilizations than to their own.

Spoken like a true shitlib cuck.

>>52339726
Klingon tailpipe stuffer

>>52349449
Sounds more like a Vulcan, actually. Pre-Federation Vulcans were near-complete isolationists.


side note: just rewatchted the Enterprise episode "Stigma" and picked up on the Phlox's wife subplot. I wonder if Starfleets promiscuity was inherited from Denobulans

>>52349905
Probably, to both.

>>52349449
What does libertarianism have to do with it? To me that sounds like SJW progressivism.

A libertarian wouldn't give two shits about where some colonists went off to, so long as they planet they went to wasn't inhabited already. But that's not the scenario being discussed.

>>52350060
Do SJW's even have any sort of foreign policy? This isn't any sort of modern phenomenon. Isolationism has been espoused conservatives, liberals, socialists and even fascists over the years.

There's no doubt a Federation political class that an end to expansionism would mean an end to the wars the UFP has to face. Evidently, at least during the Cardassian War, they were in the minority.

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>>52349905
>I wonder if Starfleets promiscuity was inherited from Denobulans
No, it was inherited from Gene Roddenberry.

>>52350169
>Do SJW's even have any sort of foreign policy?

Usually "embrace literally everything" with occasional and inconsistent rejections of certain elements of external culture.

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>>52350174
I know ENT wasn't that well received but I'm kind of surprised there aren't porn parodies of it anywhere.

>>52350169
>Do SJW's even have any sort of foreign policy?
Cultural imperialism, primarily targeted at "privileged" countries.

>>52350346
I feel sorry for Hoshi's actress getting reduced to literally comfort girl on more than one occasion.

So, have any of you ever written any passable fanfic?

>>52350169
They would be against the supposedly imperialist practice of colonizing abandoned but useful planets. It's neoneocolonialism man.

>>52350988
I'm not sure that there's evidence to support that, given the entirely disparate set of circumstances. And trying to transplant modern politics onto a problem set 350 years in the future is like asking an English settler in Appalachia to make heads or tails of modern American politics.

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nana visitor just keeps getting hotter the more old she gets.

>>52351319
>you will never be admiral Kira's personal masseuse

Why even live?

Anyone got the DS9 episode guide image?

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>>52350847
Yeah her character was totally wasted for the most part. They really should have gone all the way and had soap opera sex scenes in show really.

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>>52351505

>>52350847
>>52351515
>literally comfort girl
Did we ever find out what happened to Empress Sato after the god tier mirror episodes?

>>52351668
No joke, she marries Shran. At least in the novels.

>>52351540
Man that is a really good list. Is there one for TNG too?

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>>52351839
why yes there is

>>52351868
Thank you for these.

>>52351868
>>52351997
Any others exist?

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>>52351997
May as well dump the other 2

>>52352006
Well that answers that question >>52352004

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>>52352006

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>>52352006

>>52352006
It bugs me that the Voyager guide is incomplete. I've been considering creating a complete guide, though that would require fully re-watching Voyager. Similarly I've been thinking about making one for enterprise. At least that one would be shorter.

>>52351868
That list is away more forgiving of a lot of shit episodes than I'd ever be.

>>52352006
Aside from the sheer memery of Threshold which, imho, isn't exactly that much worse than WHAT IS BRAIN or [riker flashbacks intensify], I'm kinda pissed that they didn't cover the rest of the show.

>>52352150
Right? I get that it's down to whoever made the list, but I'd just suck it up and finish the list.

>>52352077
Come to think of it, I'd say that it under-rates a lot of good episodes too.
Needs an additional category between bad and okay of just 'boring' I'd say. There's a lot of episodes that don't really count as okay but they're not really offensive enough to be outright bad, given how awful bad episodes of star trek can get.
Like half of season 1 TNG is in the territory of being boring, and then there's the really obnoxiously bad stuff.

Fuck it, Voyager's scale could do with maybe three different tiers of bad just to indicate how far down into the dregs that show gets. A lot of it is bad in the boring, frustrating, same old shit done badly yet again way, and that needs differentiation from the spectacular turds that make you have everything and everyone involved in their creation.

>>52352178
Might as well just steal from an already existing episode guide, there's been a few.

>>52352022

>Balance of Terror isn't 'Great'

Overall though, these are really solid reviews and the descriptions are amazing.

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>TFW Captain Kirk with a power ring.
You know this actor would not have been a bad GL.

>>52352256
I would say that's what the importance scale differentiates. A none-okay is generally boring, whereas a minor-okay is at least passable.

>>52352477
That looks terrible. Kirk is obviously Pine, but Hal Jordan is obviously a cartoon.

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>>52352477

>Kirk seeks to militarise and modernise a society that Starfleet thinks is pre-industrial, in order to fight the Klingons (Errand of Mercey)
>This is apparently fine

>>52339726
stuffing full of mutant carnivorous tribbles to use as a biological weapon against a terran empire ship..or so ive heard.

>>52352598
I'd say importance indicates the importance of it to establishing the setting, reoccurring pro/antagonists and continued story arcs.

TNG for example had a lot of stuff that would come up again in reference even though it didn't do big planned arcs, just lots of personal story arcs. Naked The Naked Now is minor/okay (should be 'leftover script from Phase II tier' aka crap.) but has minor importance because it established Data was capable of banging out like everyone else and established the important to Data relationship of Yar to him, which popped up in much better stories later on. That's why it's 'importance' not a quality modifier.

>>52352286
Such as? May as well post em here.

>>52352477
Oh god what.

>>52335843
Weren't the Klingons even supplying the Maquis with weapons at some point early on?

>>52355471
I think the cute Vulcan girl was trying to buy Klingon weapons via Quark.

>>52355570
And what a cutie she was. Shame about the whole Maquis thing.

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>>52355591
Maybe she didn't die but was instead captured by Orion pirates and sold as a sex slave.

>>52352775
Yeah, TOS Era Starfleet were all about arming the natives to use against Klingons (and other natives)

>>52357554
So... The British and French Empires then?

>>52357554
>>52358309
>they don't know how ridiculously heavy-handed Trek's always been with social/political commentary

>>52357101
>a Vulcan with tattoos
>tattoos that depict meat as a foodstuff

Yeah, nah.

>>52355471
I think the Maquis would have gotten their hands on cloaking tech if that were the case

>>52358309
More like a little event contemporary to TOS known as The Cold War.

>>52361362
If they were arming other space faring civ, yes. this is the equivalent of handing cannons to native Americans.

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>>52352477
He never uses any of the Lantern Rings
He doesn't even use the Starfleet Rings Scotty replicated

>>52351540
Is that why I like DS9? The consequential episodes are the good ones, or at least aren't the bad ones. Except for The Emperor's New Cloak. And FUCKING Profit and Lace.

>>52359032
There were the Vulcan pagans that rejected the "no fun allowed" teachings.

>>52363539
And some of them weren't rapists or retards!

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>Mirror NX-01 with the yellow design
Fuck it's so good. I wish it was obtainable in STO

>>52363677
It was just one that went nuts.

And it's not like the High Command was innocent of this either.

>>52363778
Would only be good as a spacedock queen in STO's turn-of-the-25th-century setting, but I do agree it looks fucking awesome.

>>52363838
The fact that it's an obtainable T1 escort is pretty good, though, because you're literally flying around in a novelty replica

>>52363955
Did you not catch the latest lockbox? There's a T6 version now.

>>52364022
Not of the pure, unadulterated NX-fu there isn't.

>>52364156
Yup. You can use the refit skin, or the standard one.
It even has parts, so you can use the original saucer with the refit secondary hull, or vice-versa, or whatever.

Am I the only one who kinda wish the NX-01 had kept the spatial torpedoes longer? The NX-01 using actual goddamn MISSILES was one of the few ways the ship actually felt like it was behind the TOS tech curve.

>>52364262
Not the only one but Enterprise was a gigantic series of missed opportunities when it came to the design so I'm really not surprised they just gave up and put he torpedoes in. I mean they were basically just recycling the same old fights, might as well just stick to established wording if they were not going to do anything new with them.

>>52364708
>established wording

Well technically they were "photonic torpedoes" at that point but it's not exactly a huge difference.

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>>52364794
Minor wording changes aside, I gotta wonder why they didn't bother making it more different. I suspect it was a Rick Berman thing as he's generally at the #1 spot of who is to blame after all. The amount of huge arguments Ira Steven Behr had with him during the production of DS9 is fairly legendary.

Actually trying to have visibly/audibly more primitive tech rather than slight name changes for the most part that played out exactly the same, would have probably been a really good creative boost for the otherwise burned out writers. They would have had something to try and do different. Obligatory mention of how the Star Fleet Museum, unconstrained by that crap manages to lay out a decent, primitive yet very much still Star Trek setting for that era that stories could easily be woven into goes here. There's no way a Romulan war era fight would play out like a TNG fight with a word shift in that interpretation.

>>52365008
I've never heard of these DS9 Arguments though I don't know much about behind the scenes stuff. What did they fight about?

>>52365209
>What did they fight about?

Practically everything story-wise. The fact they were even trying to have large story arcs that had required viewing bits was a constant point of contention, tons of stuff about characters and their development as well, like the now completely unremarkable lesbian kiss Dax had. Even little things like having the Defiant called that because apparently having two V-named ships (Valiant was it's original) at the same time on different shows was somehow a problem.

>>52365332
In fairness, the Valiant sounds corny as shit.

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>>52363778
You wish you could get it for the NX or you wish you could get it period?

One of these ships is not like the others, one of these ships does not belong.

>>52365378
To me it sounds like something that should have HMS in front of its name rather than USS.

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>>52365894
>HMS Valiant
I am ok with this; though there have apparently been a couple of USS Valiant in existence.

>>52365332
That's strange considering how good DS9 ended up.

>>52365894
>>52365979
Nah, I feel like it'd just have made the whole "tough little shit" thing seem a little too orthodox trek, a little too much about boring vanilla heroics without exploring the small people in the big picture (which, y'know, was DS9's whole gig). Defiant is more aggressive, more warlike, less clinging to the corpse of Roddenberry's utopian dream

Looking for actual examples of either an HMS or USS Defiant (apparently there are neither) for comparison I came across this:

>Defiant (YT‑804) is a United States Navy Valiant-class harbor tug.
>launched 2010

Huh.
Gotta wonder if someone involved was a fan because that is far too fucking coincidental.

>>52366053
Shit? Ship, even.
Both.

>>52366042
>Berman hated everything about DS9
>ended up amazing
Not a coincidence at all.

DS9 got really good starting season 3 when Berman and Braga took all their yes-men to work on Voyager while all the people with talent were """""relegated""""" to DS9.

>>52365332
Valiant sounds like one of the many Excelsiors to be honest.

>>52366059
Ok, there is no way this is just coincidence: second in the class for Valiant class tugs is the damn Reliant.

>>52365008
>>52365209
>>52365332

I read an interview with Billy Mumy several years back about hi guest shot in DS9. He compared his time on the DS9 set very unfavorably with his time on the B5 set. It wasn't the actors or crew, but rather the production "philosophy".

He'd tweaked a line or two in rehearsal, just normal actor stuff trying out different emphases and the like, and had one of the dialogue supervisors nervously ask him if he was going to do that during taping. He was surprised by the question and asked if trying different readings wasn't something that was normally done - because it was normally done on every other project he'd ever acted in. The dialogue supervisor told him that "they" wanted the scripts followed EXACTLY as written, no deviations, no "exploring", no nothing.

Mumy also got the impression that this was something all guest stars had to be told.

>>52366059
>>52366279

Look at the names again.

>Val-IANT
>Def-IANT
>Rel-IANT

There's no Trekkie in the Pentagon getting their fanboy jollies naming harbor tugs.

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>>52366709
>There's no Trekkie in the Pentagon getting their fanboy jollies naming harbor tugs.

>>52361528
Dear, that episode was about the Korean and Vietnam wars.

>>52365894
There have been a fair few ships named HMS Defiance. I'd imagine the Royal Navy would rather avoid excessively similar names.

>>52367400
Mmm, I want to say that repeat names are something that the RN doesn't really shy away from over time, but I'm not in a place to be digging for examples at the moment.

>>52366742

Pretty much. Having worked there I can assure you the vast majority of the ring knocking, chair polishers filling it's hundreds of offices are some of the dullest people imaginable.

>>52367714
Ah. Enterprise fans.

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>>52366742
>>52367714
Star Trek fanboyism is the domain of the NSA

(which is hilarious because Picard would spit fire at the NSA but that's another topic)

So how the fuck were the Klingons able to persecute a successful war against Cardassia without a safe port anywhere in the Federation? Most maps have the 2 powers separated by hundreds of lightyears.

>>52368309
Blitzkrieg invasion to secure a beachhead in a system or two?

>>52368309
I don't think you appreciate how terrible the Galor class is.

And with the size of that fleet, the Klingons probably had a bunch of dedicated troop transports and ships just stocked with live gagh and targs to keep their forces fed. And they could scavenge supplies and weapons from worlds and ships they conquered as they went. The refitted K'tingas, probably.

>>52368309
The initial blitz resulted in a bunch of conquered worlds within Cardassian space.

>>52368309

Because Star Trek has never had a consistent geography and people un the setting move not only at the speed but also in the direction of sound.

I just choose to pretend that because space is three dimensional there's a point either 'above' or 'below' the level of the galaxy we usually see in maps where Klingon and Cardassian space either intersect or at least aren't divided by UFP space. Or I just try not to think about it.

>>52368309
Space is three-dimensional. Also, it's pretty empty, particularly of inhabited systems. It's hard enough to detect someone in interstellar space that doesn't have cloak, and klinks have cloak. Feddies couldn't do anything to stop the klinks, even if they had actually tried.
Additionally, it seems that the klinks and spoons had some sort of conflict in the past, which suggests that they have, or had, some sort of common border in the past, or at least common interests. Really, the concept of a "border" doesn't make much sense out at the fringes, both because of 3d, but also because who the hell cares about empty space? The only real reason if if you were creating a containment zone, like with the Romulan NZ. Otherwise, you just claim systems with perhaps some region of space around them, because realistically that's all that you can actually enforce anyways.

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>>52366059
There's a proposed helicopter design for the military called the Defiant class. It's a Sikorsky/Boeing joint venture. Pic related.

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>>52369401

Watching TNG for the first time since I saw them as a child and basically don't remember shit about it, just got done watching the WUZKANGZ kidnap Tasha ep. It seemed familiar as fuck since I'm a Stargate fan and it turns out the same woman wrote both shitty eps across the two shows.

Holy fuck who hires that woman? Did she blow Gene or something?

>>52370064
Are you referring to that really early SG-1 episode where Carter got kidnapped by strawman-sexist Not!Mongols?

>>52370102
That's the one.

>>52370124
Heh. Yeah, I dunno what the heck was up with her either.

>>52370139
>>52370124
Weirdly, she also wrote Past Prologue, which is one of the better early DS9 episodes.

>>52370064
The star trek one got messed up by the direction/casting far more than the writer, who apparently wanted proper aliens. Had it been a later episode we would have had standard bumpy forehead people, still a bad episode but way less obnoxious about it.

It has reasonable elements in it technically... I mean yes it's another oh noes the Enterprise has to go deliver vaccine crap already episode, but the villain using it to gamble for power/land inheritance through forcing some cultural guff is not that bad an idea. TOS did it, kinda.
But it's the kind of thing where the Enterprise crew should either not be interacting with them in the first place due to them being too primitive (maybe have a team getting the macguffin and fucking up accidentally leading to capture and the power play) or they should have been additional demands to go through with whatever bullshit is happening because the baddies should have been a technologically capable society, quite visibly so. Either not doing a simple raid to get the stuff and people back because it's a massive prime directive violation and they're skirting it like crazy already, or the baddies should be competent and influential enough that it's simply not viable to just bust in, grab shit and leave. Preferably get a nice Picard speech going to resolve it properly after the gang suitably counters the villain's plans, hopefully without a stupid fight scene.

>>52370275
I found Picard just going "yeah shoot them with fake torpedos" completely ridiculous since up to then he'd been so vehemently against even showing they had that sort of power. And then no one mentions it after? What the fuck was that all about?

I'm watching the Ferengi episode right now and he's still trying to avoid violence at all costs, including surrendering rather than risk starting a war or something with the Ferengi. It just makes the previous episode look even more retarded.

>>52370064

You know, I just looked up that episode to see what Memory Alpha had to say about it and apparently Rod Roddenberry didn't think it was that bad.

Rod is one of the producers on 'Discovery'.

>>52370392
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>52370342
I wonder if I'm the only one who thought that, while they were kind of silly, the Ferengi energy whips were cool enough to forgive the silliness.

>>52371439
I guess they were an interesting take on a ranged weapon that wasn't just another ray gun, even if that's how they functioned.

>>52372660
But that should only have three digits, not a 0 at the beginning.

>>52372693
Workaround, it wanted a minimum of 4 digits for the Paladin wearing the Ranger's skin.

>>52372708
Fair enough, I wasn't sure what ship you were using.

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>>52372716
If it were T5-U, I'd just use the Ranger, but eh. The Paladin isn't awful. Looks good broadsiding with pulse phasers or the Kelvin ones.

>>52372741
>Paladin isn't awful.
That's all the more egregious due to the beauty that is the Ranger right next to it.

>>52372934
Of course, my saying that is with the caveat of it wearing the Ranger skin. The base Paladin isn't bad by the standards of the other 26th Century ships, but it's nothing on the Ranger.

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fug

>>52373349
Oh shit friendo I just got this yesterday. Is that in the game or a mod?

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>>52373387
It's a mod. Look on the workshop under total conversions. Forgot what it's called specifically, but it's the big Trek one near the top.

>>52373437
Ram a connie down its throat.

>>52373057
Few things are.

>>52373387
Star Trek: New Horizons, you'll find it on the workshop. I'm about a century into my Cardassian campaign and I've more or less integrated the Trill and Bajorans into my Empire with some Genetic tweaking. Right now I'm invading the Klingon Empire with the intention of splitting it up.

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>>52373464
Turns out you just need a giant fleet and shoot it a bunch of times. I was thinking there was going to be an associated event, but there wasn't.

>>52344099
You know, I miss these 90's vector designs. They take me to a happy place.

>>52376097
Back when boobs were pyramids and dialogue was static.

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>>52366709
>>52366742
>>52366742
>Val-IANT
>Def-IANT
>Rel-IANT
>Seminole-???
>Puyallup-???
>Menominee-???
Nope, those two are not at all out of the ordinary or conspicuous. Nothing to see here.

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>>52369401
>Helicopter design
>Not named after injuns
automatically shit tier desu although coaxial rotors with a prop stuck on the back made me pic related

>>52373349
>>52373437
>>52374004
[THE ENEMY IS CLOSING IN] intensifies

>>52373464
Alternatively, ram a klink with a conscience and some purple torpedoes down its throat. Or those Nak'hul assholes, nobody fucking likes them.

>>52376338
>>Seminole-???
>>Puyallup-???
>>Menominee-???

You do realize that USN tugs have a history dating back to the 1890s of using Native American names? And US warships have been using Native American names since the Navy was founded? Look at the names of the Civil War monitors built after USS Monitor for example.

There was a tug named Pocahontas. Are you going to claim that was because someone in the Pentgaon was a Disney fan?

The Valiant-class utilizes z-drive "pods" and other relatively new technologies, so the class got a new name and the first few hulls then followed that naming convention. After that, new tugs were named according to tradition and one of those traditions happens to be making congress-critters happy.

Puyallup is named after a tribe which used to live near the shipyard building the new tugs. Seminole was most likely chosen so some congress-critter from Florida would vote for a spending bill just as Menominee was named so some asshole from Minnesota would do the same.

I know that reality isn't something most Trekkies' like to accept, but there are entirely prosaic reasons why Valiant, Defiant, and Reliant have the names they do and those reasons do not include some cosplaying assclown wearing pointy ears sitting in a Pentagon procurement office.

TL;DR - The new tugs aren't named after make believe spaceships, dipshit.

>>52377503
>You do realise
Funnily enough I don't think many people go around memorising innocuous facts about harbour tug-boats. They don't even have warp drives, dude.

>>52377861
>Funnily enough I don't think many people go around memorising innocuous facts about harbour tug-boats.

Funnily enough they do go around making up lies about why tugboats have the names they do.

Morons like you constantly repeating "Navy ships copied the TOS bridge" are they reason that lie continues to live after decades of being refuted. No ships use the TOS bridge lay out, no as in NONE. There is, however, a shore communications center in San Diego that copied the "commander in the center, everyone else around him" lay out. That's ONE comm center in a world wide net and you fucking idiots have conflated it into a repetitive lie about the USN copying Trek.

Thanks to morons like you, this newest "Hurr Durr new tugs named after DS9 gunboats Derp Herp" is going to be another lie Trekkies playing dress up at their conventions will be repeating to each other.

And you all wonder why your parents drink.

>>52378293
Wasn't even me, man. Stay mad, I guess.

>>52378293
My mother drinks because a decade of poor decisions led her to go from a wife and mother in a happy home to an angry, post menopausal, divorced cat lady who wasted far too much of her scarce time and money supporting Bernie Sanders because she's jealous of people who are still in my dad's income bracket and can afford nice things.

>>52368309
Could be the Klingons had client races on that side of Cardassian space to provide them with essentials. Otherwise I would assume the kilingons brought whatever they needed with them and just smuggle whatever else they need through Federation space by cloak.

>>52378293
Have you considered having a drink? It might help.

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>>52378293

>>52380003
I never understood the design of those - the middle "spine" looks like ass and blocks some of the phaser firing arcs to boot, the bridge is nonexistent or invisible, and the paint job doesn't exactly look cool

>>52380280
>the bridge is nonexistent or invisible

As it should be; one of the most consistently retarded design elements of Star Trek is that the bridge is clearly visible for easy targeting and close to the outer hull for easy destruction. Every fucking bridge should be like the E-D's battle bridge; buried deep within the ship behind dozens of meters of duranium and tritanium.

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>>52380322
Location of anything is irrelevant once the shields go down.

>>52380322
I think the old justification for that was "the weapons being used are so powerful that if the shields go down, you're fucked no matter where you are" - demonstrated, ironically, by the E-D.

Still, I'm not arguing that it's not a smarter design choice than Trek traditional stylings nacelle pylons are fucking retarded, just that it doesn't really work with them. Even the Defiant has a visible bridge, it's just sunken into the ship's superstructure, like the Discovery-class saucer I'm currently flying with.

>>52380392
I always wondered why they don't show more of the structural integrity fields being boosted. There's an episode of TNG where the Enterprise just uses that to successfully tank fire.

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>>52380280
I mean, it makes more sense than the Vengeance, which it's a take-off from when they didn't have the ability to include Kelvin ships.I honestly don't hate it. I prefer the Avenger configuration to the Arbiter, though.

Pic unrelated because Ambassador class.

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>>52380649
Best ship is never unrelated.

>>52380447
>structural integrity fields

Those things must be really damn powerful seeing as torpedoes in Trek are supposedly in the megaton range and yet >>52380392

>>52380649
>>52380683

I'm not even a huge Ambassador fan and yet I'm still amazed at how many orders of magnitude it is superior in design to the Galaxy.

>>52382206
Structural Integrity Fields are the magic glue that holds everything together.

I don't think they've ever even had much of a technobabble explanation. Probably out of necessity. The memory alpha article is very scarce on information other than it tends to be a percentage thing and it failed a whole bunch of times and shit got broken.

Some sort of force field that's built into/around bulkheads and beams to massively strengthen them, and still works when the main shields are completely depleted. I'd suggest that maybe they're built directly into major hull components, or rather, woven in because projected force fields are typically something else, and wrapping a massive amount of the internal workings of the ship in skin-tight force fields (with sufficient holes in them to fit in all the other stuff attached directly to the frame) through projecting them onto it just doesn't quite work in my mind. But it has to be taking a lot of the strain purely through power output.

>>52382206
>>52382969
I'd imagine that structural integrity fields are a rough middle ground between actual force fields and electroactive/pyroelectric materials. As the field runs through the bulkhead materials, they are strengthened and pulled/held together by their own mechanical nature, more so than by the force field itself, which simply carries the power and acts as a support. That's also why you can dump more power into them to get greater results, and perhaps they involve nanomaterials controlled by central or semi-distributed systems, which is how they may fail unexpectedly (without otherwise losing power).

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>>52383109
The field is definitely doing most of the work, most of the time though given the examples of it in use we have. I'd guess that one major advantage it'd have is easy spreading of forces across a wide area without strain as well as being able to dump more energy into particular areas in order to resist physical force more. Probably. Damn thing is magic I tells ya. Pure wizardry.

And I am so glad we didn't get Probert's original Ambassador class design due to time constraints on model production. Saved by the deadline.

>>52383308
I dunno, she'd look pretty cool from the right angle.

>>52383308
The deflector dish is the only bit of that I really dislike.

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>>52383376
And ugly in a really grating way from almost every other.

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>>52383308

Turned out alright as the Guardian class in STO.

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>>52380683
I'm disappointed that we didn't see many Federation admirals or ambassadors using an Ambassador Class ship for diplomatic work. I guess the Excelsiors were either considered faster, better looking, or less needed on the front lines.

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>>52383532

>>52383575
>>52383532
>alright

I'm afraid I shall have to disagree. I cannot help but think of waterfowl when that kind of saucer section is prominently raised above the engineering section.

>>52383694

I'm not a huge fan of the rounded wedge either, but it's better than the flying spade that is the Intrepid.

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>>52383725
>spade
She's clearly more of a trowel.
Urge to shoop this with Voyager's nacelles... rising

>>52383789
Just flip the trowel upside down and yeah it is.

>>52383789
>>52383823

For when you just have the urge to turn the Delta Quadrant into your own personal garden.

>>52383789
It can't be a trowel. A trowel is useful, unlike the Intrepid-class.

>>52383854
Honestly? I feel like most of my dislike of the Intrepid as a design is poisoning from association with Voyager.

...That and I really don't get the point of the variable angle nacelles.

>>52384010
>...That and I really don't get the point of the variable angle nacelles.
In-universe: the classic Constitution/Excelsior/Ambassador raised nacelles are more efficient and less damaging to subspace, but the lower ones are stabler for landing on planets, hence flappy engines. It's a callback to stuff mentioned in an episode of TNG and the design of the Defiant.
Out of universe: "Hey, F-14s are cool, let's make the new hero ship a swing wing to make sure the audience knows it's fast."

>>52384010

>variable-angle nacelles
>something something faster warp but not ruining subspace environmentalism nonsense plot from TNG

I like the Intrepid, despite my earlier (incorrect) assertion that she's a spade. But that's because Elite Force changed my mind. VOY itself is intellectual poison.

>>52384067
>>52384077
Ohhhh yeah, I'd managed to block out that whole "lol warp drive destroys subspace" plot that TNG dropped like a sack of turds in less than a full season.

>>52384241
The writers did too, thankfully. realising they'd basically wrote themselves into a corner with something that can be handwaved by simply inserting a line somewhere that the crew have permission to go fast, but also intruding on everything else that goes fast. It add nothing, took away a lot and could be circumvented very easily.

Voyager though with the moving engines I think was a lot down to the designers having a long time love of high tech stuff with bits that move, probably due to anime in more than a small part. They'd been trying to get moving parts into ship designs for years, though honestly I found it a bit ironic that moving parts for a thing to change function actually seem less high tech than something that can do the same things without the need to alter it's shape. That bit might just be me though, never liked transforming mechs either despite loving mechs. But then swing-wing aircraft have been massively superseded by fixed wing designs so the reflection on the now obsolete F-14, there's something to it for sure.

>>52384743
*be circumvented very easily, yet in a way that had to make a point about it if they were going to continue using the speed limit thing and thus keep bringing the damn thing back up.

So glad they pretty much went 'yeah we fixed it and applied it to everything, Voyager's stuff was not needed' and just dumped it.

So is there any practical reason why the Enterprise got to reuse 1701? I know plenty of navies reuse names, both for honour rolls and general convenience, but they generally all get different numeric identifiers.

For example the HMS Fearless has been L10, as well as H67. Similarly the USS Enterprise has been CV-6 and CVN-65.

>>52386079
Because every Starfleet ship is "NCC" instead of the numerous hull classification symbols that real-world navies have. "CV" means "multi-purpose conventional aircraft carrier", "CVN" means "nuclear-powered aircraft carrier", "NCC" means nothing.

>>52386476
>"NCC" means nothing.
IIRC it was supposed to mean something like "New starship design", aka the Constitution class, but then they fucked that up in WoK by having the Reliant use NCC for a Miranda.

>>52386079
Starfleet as a whole seems to reuse the production code on ships that have distinguished themselves and were then destroyed or decommissioned. There are a few examples of XXXX-A in the setting, and then there are ships that have (for example) 1844 Hawking, and then the next ship is 2793 Hawking II. Then we have the Defiant, which breaks the rules entirely, and doesn't get a letter sufffix to the second ship's production code.

>>52386789
In the Defiant's case, it was a pre-existing ship (Sao Paulo) that was renamed Defiant by special order.

>>52386814
True, but so was the Enterprise E, which was going to leave the dock as either Sovereign or Regent or something.

>>52386844
This was never stated in canon.

>>52339726
Deactivating the warhead and letting the projectile moving several times the speed of light to actually impact the target for 100 times the damage.

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>>52386789
I went and checked; outside of accident, Enterprise is the only ship to get the letter designations for successors.

Like there's been a ton of Hood and Saratoga without being a II or A or equivalent.

>>52386711
>>52386476

On the NCC front, there's never been a canon explanation but apparently Franz Joseph, designate the acronym to stand for the "Naval Construction Contract number" which has at least nothing going against it in canon and makes a degree of sense.

"A less common alternative to Franz Joseph's designation, "Navigational Contact Code", has been floating around in fan circles. This designation originated from David John Nielsen's U.S.S. Enterprise Heavy Cruiser Evolution Blueprints and Todd Allan Guenther's Ships of the Star Fleet reference book series. However, both works are unlicensed fan fiction,"

>"As for the use of NCC as a prefix for Starfleet registry numbers, its designer Matt Jefferies said, when he conceived the prefix in 1964, that the registries for American civil aircraft are preceded by NC, and Soviet craft used a prefix of CCCC, and as such, he more-or-less combined the two. His philosophy was, "If we do anything in space, we (Americans and Russians) have to do it together."
>In contrast, the Star Trek Encyclopedia (2nd ed., p. 317) claims that the second C was just an arbitrary addition to make the registry look better. This notion had actually been confirmed by Jefferies himself on another occasion, "Since the 1920's, N has indicated the United States in Navy terms, and C means 'commercial' vessel. I added an extra C just for fun. Interestingly, Russia's designation is CCC. So The N and C together made it kind of international." (Star Trek: The Original Series Sketchbook, p. 62)"

So nothing to really explain it there for word-of-god status either.

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>>52387058
>His philosophy was, "If we do anything in space, we (Americans and Russians) have to do it together."
He wasn't wrong.

>>52383537
Because Amb were hero ships, but they didn't have a hero crew, so they all got rekt. Just like almost every connie and gal (until the Sovereign became the hero ship) besides the Enterprise.

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>>52387462
True. Most ships not manned by the protagonists do tend to explode. Frequently.

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>>52387554
One of these days Starfleet is going to figure out a reliable procedure to dump their antimatter chamber or critical warp core in a crisis, right?

>>52388412
The Intrepid class had it. We just saw it exactly once because obviously Voyager without a warp core is a ship of the dead

>>52388412
It's only a problem when side characters have that happen, and they're not the ones who are in charge.

Or they are in charge and then die from their poor decisions.

>>52388447
Come to think of it, was a ship ever shown or said to have ejected its warp plasma out the nacelles on purpose in an emergency? That would seem like an important first step towards not exploding horribly.

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>>52383789

>>52388558
I knew it was upside down

>>52388563
>Entire main saucer is just a large defector dish

>>52388513
Yes. NX-01 vented plasma to mess with opponents in a firefight at least once, and once completely purged the nacelles and hard shut down the warp reactor so the crew could ride out an ion storm full of Plot Radiation inside the nacelle. That was one of my favorite episodes of ENT.

>>52388513
Pretty sure it happened in DS( with a Runabout in the badlands

>>52388513
That's how Nick Locarno killed that retarded kid that tried getting in with the cool kids in Starfleet Academy.

>>52388447
>Voyager without a warp core is a ship of the dead
As opposed to a ship of the damned, which it always was, especially whenever Janeway started running low on cigarettes and coffee.

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huh, apparently Starfleet has a fully stocked set of enlisted ranks. three classes of crewman, three classes of petty officer, a chief and master chief petty officer, and 2 midshipman ranks for those transitioning to officerdom.

>>52389071
Blame Roddenberry's insistence that Starfleet during TNG's time was an all officer navy. Maybe he just wanted more women in miniskirts?

>>52389252
More like "n-n-no, Starfleet t-t-totally isn't a military..."

>>52390685
They just by chance use military rank designations, operate under military law, act like a navy IN SPACE from back in the days when there was still stuff for the navy to explore, get used to patrol and protect the shipping lanes and borders, go through a military academy to become officers and have court martials instead of trials.

but it's totally not a military because mini-skirts.

>>52390815
>from back in the days when there was still stuff for the navy to explore

Pfft, that's really the big nail in the coffin, isn't it? Navies really DID once do the exploration thing. I don't know how much diplomacy ever factored in that didn't involve gunboats, though.

>>52390953
British and French admirals could negotiate on behalf of their respective governments. But that generally amounted to "surrender or we'll start shooting again"

>>52336037
You really get the sense that Worf was a serious weeaboo/ouiaboo in his teens, and a lot of that got intermixed with his studies of Klingon honor and so forth.

Because he seriously sounds more like an enthusiast of (highly idealized) bushido and chivalry than even the most idealized Klingon "practical" honor.

>>52391465
That's no different than most ethnic enclaves within a homogenised society. Take Russo-Americans or Irish-Americans as an example. They generally tend to create an inaccurate, idealised version of their forebears' culture.

So when they're introduced to the genuine article and it's radically different, it can be hard for them to accept that their literal interpretation holds no bearing on reality.

>>52351868
It just occurred to me, Hide and Q should be Hide and SeeQ.

>>52391518
Yeah, I get that, which is why I like Worf's character being the way he is, I just can't tell if it's fully intentional on the writers' (and Dorn's) parts or not.

>>52388447
Not even a warp core wants to be aboard Voyager.

>>52391998
Given that his first shown interaction with Klingons was essentially them manipulating his idealism to screw over the Enterprise, I'd say it's at least semi intentional.

>>52370064
The additional bit of coincidence is that both episodes were the third in the show's runs.

It's like her terribleness is warping quantum probability.

>>52393218
>>52370181
Woah. Past Prologue was the third episode of DS9, too. This is getting weirder.

>>52378412
With a champ of a son like you, who can blame her?

>>52393313
>>52378293
Projection: the Poster

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>>52389071
I'm not sure if this is the official one, but pic-related would seem like a fairly cohesive version.

>>52393595
It's long bugged me (very mildly) that whilst we get gold pip/gold and black/2 gold/2 gold and 1 black/ 3 gold there is no 3 gold and 1 black pip rank.

/justassburgersthings

>>52393972
Same. I always figured it would have made sense as a senior officer rank for non standard posts. So maybe for an Admiral's adjutant or a Station commander.

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>>52373349
>>52373437
>>52374004
>>52374000
what game?

>>52394508
Stellaris

>>52394515
thanks ive been looking for a good new star trek game for a while.

>>52394645
Sadly it comes with Stellaris.


Don't get me wrong I've played it a lot but I always end up asking myself why... its just a bit dull and very similar every time you play it.

One more turn "but what the hell have I been doing for 3 hours? Nothings actually changed..."


The mod itself has had a lot of love poured into it and its great to play the Klingons and nuke the federation bastards but its always had the drag of being attached to Stellaris.

>>52394784
so is it worth it or is it one of those sale only items?
Looking at the videos it makes me think of Sins of a Solar Empire and Victoria/HoI/EU shoved into a blender.

>>52395109
I would sale only it, and pirate the dlcs.

>>52395109
It's made by Paradox, so it should seem similar to their other games.

Honestly I'd say right now it's a sale-only game. Though with the right additions and streamlining it could be worthwhile eventually.

>>52395109
I liked the look and feel of Stellaris but the game itself comes up short. It's got a lot of weird restrictions/limitations and after the first playthrough, you'll have memorized all the events because they repeat constantly. My second playthrough was on max fastforward and I was cycling dead leaders every five minutes which is annoying as shit, especially since their bonuses are so minimal that there's no point in choosing anyone but the youngest leader so you'll have a minute or two more before you have to replace them again.

>>52395447
The only thing stopping me doing auto super fast forward is the no-pause on tech discovery.


In fact the entire interface seems way simpler and dumbed down over CK2 or EU3, practically no way to change your preferences for it either.

>>52395509
Stellaris was built with Tablets in mind. Hence it's a dumbed down grand strategy/4x hybrid, in order to accommodate touch controls. Not that it isn't a fun game, it just lacks the depth of previous Paradox offerings. Vicky2 it ain't.

>>52391998
Fully intentional, or at least the writers of DS9 were intelligent enough to realise how ridiculous Worf was so they had Jadzia call him out about it.
"Klingon's do not relax and have fun. It is dishonourable."
"U wot, kringle? They're always 'aving a laff!"
*Worf brooding intensifies*

>>52396107
That had been going on ever since Redemption. Worf gets himself into an actual real Klingon war and ends up looking like a complete tool at every opportunity.

would greatly appreciate if someone could supply an updated link for FAS2012 - Star Trek The Roleplaying Game - The Next Generation Officers Manual

seems to be the only file on the mediafire that was dmca'd

>>52396762
Which of the developers is that?

>>52393595
As much as I really like that one, I do believe that officially people at the ranks of Crewman (and possibly petty officers below Chief as well) have NO insignia.

Also I don't think Starfleet actually has warrant officer grades.

>>52383308
>unholy love-child of a galaxy and an excelsior
Even those pylons are practically JJTrek-tier desu

>>52383725
>>52383789
>>52383823
>>52383852
>>52383854
>shit talking my shipfu

>>52386844
>>52386875
No idea about that, but the Ent-A (neé Yorktown) still got a letter suffix, so why not the Defiant?

>>52398657
My apologies. If it's any consolation, I hate the Defiant more.

>>52398900
Perhaps to do so or not is just at the discretion of Starfleet, and they decided not to.

>>52398900
I assume it's a flagship thing, mostly. The Defiant is an escort, basically a pocket destroyer, whereas the heavy/exploration cruisers that Enterprises always are are more what all the other ships are supposed to aspire to. The Enterprise is the Federation's mascot.

>>52397522
sorry, I stepped away for a bit.

that's one of the FASA books.

>>52398900
Canonically we know nothing about the Ent-A other than it was waiting at spacedock some time in the three months Kirk and co. were in exile. We do know that the Sao Paulo was named, numbered, and sent on its merry way to its new assignment prior to the rename.

Why are ships in Star Trek generally smaller than in other sci-fi universes?

>>52400751
Because other sci-fi universes tend to go batshit crazy with how large they make their vessels.

>>52400751
Because other sci-fi universes tend to go beyond believability for the sake of making things look big and powerful and maybe ancient, even though it would require harvesting literally a solar system worth of material and manpower just to build one ship. The worst offenders in Trek are probably the Voth.

>>52401062
God, the Voth are hilarious in STO. There's literally a bossfight against a fucking cybered up T.rex.

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>>52401152
Don't get me started on the Voth in STO

>>52401192
Well, they have had millions of years to build that thing

>>52349905
What? The introduced the Humans to at least a few different species, including the Klingons and (I think) the Denobulans.

I don't know if you'd count their antagonistic relationship with the Andorians, but it sounds like the two had conflicting expansionist interests.

>>52401406
He did say *near*-complete, to be fair.

>>52401406
I'm not sure I would count the Andorians. They were cocks who would happily pick a fight with a ficus if it blocked their sunbathing.

>>52401406
Nearly every Vulcan exploration/first contact mission story in Enterprise ends with "And then all the Vulcans died horribly". So they more or less stick to their corner of space, content with manipulating the politics of their immediate neighbors to keep them friendly and docile.

Tasha Yar looks really good in her uniform

>>52401255
and about 5 minutes to get to the escape pods

>>52402590
Not with Admiral (you) on the case. He doesn't leave survivors.

>>52400751
Trek is a transposition of old submarine-style films into a sci fi setting. Smaller ships, closer quarters are where treks aesthetic stems from.

By comparison, a lot of other popular science fiction series are space operas, where larger-than-life is the norm. This is most prevalent in Star Wars and 40k.

>>52400751
Because then it makes "humans find a massive ominous thing floating in space" episodes more interesting. First Federation, Vger, Whale Probe, Dyson Sphere, Voth, that one generational ship in Voyager where Harry actually scored for the only time in the show, and so on. Not as interesting if everything is massive.

Star Trek I find actually fits a good middle ground, because the hero ships are generally small enough to do "heroes find big ominous thing" episodes but also big enough to do "heroes have to deal with plucky renegades in small ships" episodes.

>>52403756
>that one generational ship in Voyager where Harry actually scored for the only time in the show

They actually threw Forever Ensign a bone? Nice.

>>52403790
He caught an alien STD which made him temporarily bioluminescent. Because of course he did.

>>52403940
>an alien STD which made him temporarily bioluminescent

That actually doesn't sound so bad. I've been told on multiple occasions I glow in the dark already.

>>52403940
>He caught an alien STD which made him temporarily bioluminescent. Because of course he did.
Didn't he also get an official dressing-down from Janeway and a black mark on his permanent record like he was in middle school? Because holy shit.

>>52403790
>>52403940
>>52404126
>>52404177
>His girlfriend also exploited his trust to acquire starship-eating nanites to use in a terrorist attack against her own people.

>>52403571
>implying Trek isn't one of the best examples of space opera
The only remotely submarine-like part of Trek is one episode which is rather obviously inspired by a particular movie. Starfleet ships are very open and luxurious by military standards. The Connie was pretty big for a 60's pop sci-fi universe. It's only later that we start seeing xbox hueg ships, with Star Wars in particular really setting the stage for that.

>>52404177
Yes, because Harry is HER bitch, dammit!

>>52384241
Does anyone know which episode(s) this was from? I remember hearing about it but don't remember it from the show itself.

>>52406774
"Force of Nature". Ninth episode of TNG season 7. Which is honestly a lot later in the show's run than I thought it was.

>>52401631
They were still out there exploring (or attempting to) and they did have long trade relationships with various other species. That's not isolationism or near isolationism, it's just being not good at exploring.

>>52404177
He was also told that she wouldn't have been angry if Tom Paris did it. Because you can never be too obvious with your favouritism.

>>52404126
Do you work in a match factory or some other job that involves phosphorus?

>>52406501
>not knowing what space opera is

>>52408562
He's still right in that there's really only one episode of Star Trek that particularly takes after the submarine angle. But yeah. Star Trek generally isn't militaristic and grand in scope enough to be space opera. Except maybe the Dominion War arc of DS9.

>>52398128
The Warrant officer ranks were imagined as a fix for O'Brien's rank change from TNG to DS9. His pips varied a great deal and on a couple of occasions he had a couple of black pips.

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>>52403068
how many kilohitlers of casualties does it take to get to level 60?