Warhammer 40,000 General

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>everyone hyped about morty coming back and the death guard getting new models
>I'm just sitting here thinking about how deathguard green will be great for basecoating forest-themed bases
I mean it ain't no goblin green, but it'll work for me.

First for kawaii operator plague marines.

>>52319350
2nd Edition had 90 degree fire arcs with round bases.

Hmm So maybe it's Death Guard in the 8th ed. Box? That would make a lot of sense with this timing.

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Cant wait for the new edition to make assault armies tops again. Gonna fuck some blueberries.

>>52319392
8th ed isn't until June, DG will be out long before then.

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Now that papa Nurgle is getting some new models Slaanesh better be next one to get some.

>>52319392
Nah, they usually release the game box a year after the edition, unless they kill the game AoS style.

So it seems I bought DV at the wrong time.
Still, given how much crying I've heard about the 7th ed rules it may work out well, even if I need to get a new rule book.

>>52319398
Can't wait for the fucking grav nerfs, Riptide nerfs, etc.

>>52319413
Slaanesh is offensive.

>>52319398
Alright now I'm curious, is that a cropped picture or is that it?

>>52319331
Copied from other third incase the other guy jumped ships already.

Not so much. I know some guys who took the flags off their Skorne models because they made the rest of the model a valid target and taller than other heavy war beasts. But I never have known anyone to not use what ever base was supplied with the mini. Maybe one of those scenic bases that has a cool mountain top on it or something like that but those tend to be thicker and beefier than the standard base.

>>52319432
I hope someone has a list of all these pictures somewhere.

I have a serious question that I'm afraid will get memed.

Dark Eldar or Night Lords?

I have a decent amount of both, but only a little bit of both actually assembled.

I'm legitimately torn.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/
>This topic comes up almost as often as Sisters of Battle… so we’re going to bring them back.
What do they mean by this?

>>52319413
Slaanesh and Khorne are the only ones left in 40k in need of a facelift for their cult marines, new cult terminators, and daemon primarchs. So either them or khorne next, would bet slaanesh since khrone had a release already

>>52319421
Models are still solid

>>52319302

Why does the mini in that photo look like it's exploding out of the Wikipedia logo?

There are now THREE active 40k general threads!
Come on guys.

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>>52319435
yes
http://wh40kart.im/i43815?search=fap

>>52319435
Nah, I think there's more. The guy who made that one has a bunch of Tau sex-slave pictures if I recall right.

>>52319457
so i'm not sure if they're making jokes with those rules things or if they're being serious. with the duncan segment there i'm leaning jokes, but i legitimately cannot tell.

>>52319432
I wonder how they got the eagle ordinary guy on board. His drawings were also in a community article.

I'm a fan, so whatever.

>>52319432
This isn't on the twitter, anon are you someone attending the presentation?

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>>52319453
Is that you, me?
I feel our pain.

>>52319468
Those are humorous, not jokes, are you autistic?.

In this thread addition an autistic anon continues to post about why Craftworld Eldar are cool with Dark Eldar eating their souls because Vect once had non soul related dinner on a craft world.

>>52319453

Shoo shoo edgelord

>>52319457
>Morale

>Its no longer all or nothing, and it affects everyone. We’re thinking of replacing break tests with a simple mechanic. Roll a D6, add that to the number of models your unit has lost this turn, subtract your Leadership and take that many additional casualties.
>and it affects everyone
I swear to god, I swear to FUCKING god if I have to worry about Morale tests in synapse as fucking Tyranids I will drop this game in the fucking trash and burn my models.

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>>52319466
>Nipple Vagina's
No thank you.

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>>52319466
>>52319398
>Digsusting noseless aliens
Plebeian.

>>52319515
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the Tyranids get either a flat bonus to their leadership in synapse, or even not have to take them what so ever.

>>52319482

Yes how dare I focus on Soul Stones. those are not critical to Craft Eldar culture at all.

Jesus Anon, get a grip. You can't even outright say what you're arguing for. Craft Eldar are not cool with Dark Eldar hunting them for sport.

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>>52319520
Leave it to the Word Bearers to be a bunch of basic bitches who can't handle a little nipple-fucking.

>>52319468
The Duncan vid is just them mocking the "square bases" leak. This one could be a pure joke, but I think it may also be a cheeky tease. Particularly given the Sigmarinette. That said, I don't want to read too much into it lest we prompt the wailing and gnashing of SoB players.

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>>52319465
Shut up or I'm starting another.

>>52319538
That doesn't change the fact that they have worked together several times in the lore.

>>52319515
On the one hand, I'd actually be rather glad if they didn't just default to Fearless to make units immune to all morale effects.

On the other hand, it'd be good if each army actually had a certain strength or weakness in that regard, like Necrons not getting pinned because they don't care about cover. Tyranids in synapse might have to deal with other stuff, but really shouldn't test for casualties. Gaunts don't panic when half the gaunts next to them die.

>>52319535
They need to not have to take them whatsoever. If a single fucking termagant runs off from a break test while fully in synapse that would be the worst fluff rape to happen to a Faction since... ....I can't even fucking think of anything that would make me more angry.

>>52319457
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/
If I'm reading that right it means AP will go from being a binary thing of it either denies or it doesn't to being a modifier to the dice roll like a -1,-2,-3,-4 to the save roll.

Similar to rending in AOS. This means that weapons that couldn't penetrate terminator armor but blow throw space marine armor might cause termies to make T-shirt saves. This also means that standard infantry weapons (bolters, tau plas, shrunken catapults) will increase in usefulness as they will likely be Ap -1.

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>>52319539
I know. What kind of world we live in where you can't even nipple-fuck someone without people freaking out.

>>52319553
Working together temporarily =/= racial unity or forgiveness

Been gone for a week. What's the latest shit?
Anything about Fires of Cyraxus?

>>52319506

Paladin detected. Isn't posting on 4chan a Fall-worthy offense? Get out of here moralfag.

>>52319562
>Similar to rending in AOS
You mean the same way it worked in 2nd edition? AoS didn't invent armour modifiers, I don't know why people keep giving that game credit for things it just copped from best edition 40k.

>>52319562
>Similar to rending in AOS
or armour modifiers in fantasy and older editions of 40k

Chances are they'll take similar keys from those rulesets and bring in defenses against modifiers for things like terminators. The old 2D6 saves, or 1+ saves, or just plain "ignores -X armour penetration"

>>52319557
>Tyranids in synapse might have to deal with other stuff
Synapse should ignore all psychology effects completely, that's one of the whole fucking points of Tyranids, like a primary Faction-defining thing that goes back to their earliest incarnation and has always been the case.

If they fuck this up I am done forever, I will never give GW another penny.

>>52319457
>Charging units should fight first. It’s just more thematic. So we’re hoping to work this out as well. It will reward tactically outmaneuvering your opponent. You can dictate the combats rather than being entirely Initiative based. You control who swings first.
Could Orks once again become...a melee race?

>>52319562
That's how 2nd ed. handled it. Incidentally 2nd ed. termies rolled their 3+ saves on 2D6.

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>>52319553
If your choices in allies are your scum-fuck cousins who hate you and you hate who live on the other side of town or a bunch of worse scumbags who don't consider you to be people at all, most would go for their asshole cousins.

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>>52319539
>>52319566
I'll have you know we have a traditional, wholesome view of Chaos in this house hold, thank you very much.

It's Adam and Dae'eve the Slaughterer of the innocent, not Adam and Ste've defiler of the Innocent.

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>>52319562
>tfw this makes 6+ even more useless
Unless it means you can always take a 6+?

>>52319585
I never played Fantasy. And I got into 40k in late 3rd right before 4th. So...my experience with armor modifiers in a games Workshop setting comes from AOS.

>>52319599
>>52319574
>>52319553
>>52319538
Oh my god stop dragging this retard-fight over from the last thread, no one cares about your Eldar fluff autism.

>>52319515

Am I reading this right?

>have 30 man Guardsman blob, leader dies somehow
>take 12 casualties over the course of the turn
>roll a 6
>top kek

>>52319604
It doesn't mean that and it doesn't make them more useless, they remain exactly as useless as ever. All the weapons that have a -1 modifier will have already been AP 5 or 6

>>52319604
There will a lot of weapons without a save modifier. In practice 6+ save will probably change the least from how they work now. It's Power Armor and Terminator Armor that will be most different one way or another.

>>52319626
>Chainswords will remain the same power as a bayonet

>>52319621
Yeah, basically half the squad runs away.

It's a retarded mechanic. When the whole unit breaks but you keep them away from the board edge you have multiple chances to rally them again, this just instakills some of your guys and there's no way to get them back even if they're halfway across the board and you have a Fearless Warlord in between them and the board edge.

Was thinking about starting a tzeentch daemonkin army but I feel like I'll just get shit stomped by everything. Anything I can ally in to fix it that fits with the army but isn't magnus cheese?

>>52319585

There's also the option of stuff like AoS Lizardmen shields (immune to -1 rend, or whatever).

Like Terminator: 2+, immune to -2 rend or lower. Or just 2+, "subtract 1 from rend value of other weapon"

>>52319642
I doubt it, I can almost guarantee chainswords are gonna get buffed.

>>52319597
This is a pretty nice change for Orks, but it's probably the dumbest way they could have done it.

>>52319538

>Give examples of craftworlders accepting soulstone smashers as permanent residents
>Give examples of the leader of Biel-tan being old allies of the leader of The Black Heart
>Give examples of a faction dedicated to fostering ties between the two via "racial unity"
>Offers absolutely no counter point other than denial

Dark Eldar once took it upon themselves to personally punish a human ruler with eternal torture because they were so displeased with what he did to an Alaitoc ambassador. No one is saying they don't fight or disgust one another, but I have completely refuted your point about Gathering Storms being dumb for doing something that has tonnes of precedents.

How much evidence do you need? Literally all you do is regurgitate the same limp dicked point that does nothing to counter the fact that, despite Deldar killing CWE and vice versa, they are frequently strong allies.

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>>52319621
You subtract your leadership from the roll. It's Battleshock from AoS.

>>52319621
Yeah, but then you'd probably have a Commissar upgrade, or Sgt. upgrade that'll help mitigate that. Perhaps something like this:

>Hold the Line!: Any unit that a Commissar is part of may choose to not take a battleshock test. If you choose to do so, remove D3 models from the unit.

Boom. Done.

>>52319621
Okay Guard Moral/leadership is 7 right.
You lost 12 guys.
You roll a 6 giving a final result of 18
Subtract the 7...
for 11 more guys either run away pissing themselves or are cut down by the enemy as they run away pissing themselves yes.

>>52319666
This probably means command traits and shit are coming over too

Can't wait to see how marines are immune to it

>>52319506
>not wanting to play the Saturday morning cartoon villain in a world of super heroes

Someone has to be able to have fun.

>>52319666
It's fucking awful is what it is.

>>52319642
So you wont get your 6+ vs. Sergeants. My statement still stands.

>>52319515
I swear to christ orks better get some kind of mob rule or else boyz are even fucking worse now

>>52319683
I'm willing to bet that Marines will use the old leadership rules instead, showing how they tactically fall back as a squad even when their battle brothers die. And of course, they'll still automatically regroup, which means that forcing morale tests on marines will do nothing but cost them some movement.

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>https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

>3 Ways to Play
>General’s Handbook 2: Grimdark Boogaloo
>3 types of play: competitive, narrative, and "open"

>Army Selection
>"Command points"
>"A mechanism to reward players who structure their army like their in-world counterparts, with rerolls and cool army specific rules throughout the game."

>Movement
>Individual Movement values per model/unit

>Shooting
>Armor Save Modifiers instead of all-or-nothing AP
>SoB Resurrection teasing

>Combat Phase
>Charging units hit first, even if they're lower initiative

>Morale
>"Roll a D6, add that to the number of models your unit has lost this turn, subtract your Leadership and take that many additional casualties."

Opinions on any of these possible 8th ed changes?
Personally I'm mostly for them. The last one is kind of iffy though. I'm not so sure about taking more causalities if you already have taken horrendous casualties. Not sure if it'd be too fluffy for some armies. The movement one could also get annoying with people not knowing there rules, but I imagine that would be only during the transitional period.

Also you think the plastic Thunderhawk is legit?

>>52319645
You mean when the whole unit breaks, isn't fearless or stubborn, or have ATSKNF, and beats the enemy in an initiative test. Because if they beat you in the initiative test (which if it's eldar or space marines that becomes likely) you lose all 18 of them not 11 of them.

>>52319660
I dunno, I have to admit that I thought it was kind of dumb that if you charge, you only get some HoW attacks. I mean, if I charge my Orks, I should be able to attack with their attacks. And if I'm charging a Unit of Guardians, how come they are able to react faster to me, AND overwatch me at the same time?

>>52319337
Maybe because theres a trillion different green paints from different manufacturers already.

>>52319703
Everything is worse now. Hordes are hurt by it because they'll take a ton of casualties and lose even more of their squad. Elites are hurt by it because their models are removed regardless of wounds or saves.

I've been wanting them to make morale effects more relevent, but this is the worst way they could have done it.

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>>52319714
Theyre going all fucking in on the AoS'ing

they arent even doing a half-step, this is full on.

>>52319707
Nah, they'll just be immune to battleshock or something.

>>52319457
huh. those changes all sound promising.
maybe they're going back to 2e for inspiration?

>>52319662
>limp dicked point
SOUL EATING

Anon, you've had just as many examples thrown back at you from the fluff. But hey, sometimes the fluff messes up. It's a shame, but we can always drag up some obscure shit like MULTILASERS or a half eldar Inquisitor Sherlock. For purposes of those stories you were reading i'm sure they had Dark Eldar talking to Eldar, but that does not over ride the main point of the eldar story.

Dark Eldar eat Craft Eldar in general, and for specific rites of passage. Dark Eldar are the polar opposite of Craft Eldar and caused the near extinction of their race. I keep 'regurgitating' it because it is the central faucet of the entire eldar story line. It's crazy to think that Craft Eldar are cool with working with Cannibal Dark Eldar, some of which caused the fall themselves.

>>52319714
The way they're wording it like "oh we're thinking of this mechanic..." avoiding saying it's a copypaste from Age of Sigmar is really fucking patronizing. It's also a stupid fucking idea.

Basically every single thing here is "yeah we're just making it Age of Sigmar in space". Like, every little thing. Now, a couple of these are actually good changes, but it remains to be seen if they're going to go full retard and replace Strength and Toughness values.

Also the charging units hit first is really dumb.

>>52319714
The Break thing should be a little more conditional. If the enemy causes fear, or if enough models were killed, etc.

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>>52319714
I'm honestly not adverse to a bit of sigmarization to 40k.
The shitstorm that's coming is going to be legendary, though.

>>52319716
That's only in close combat.

>>52319714
>Not sure if it'd be too fluffy for some armies.
There will be characters that let you ignore/reroll battleshock and such. And stuff like Synapse will probably interact with it. Not a huge deal really.

>>52319739
Or get a a moral of 8 or 10.
No one is going to be immune to battleshock by the sounds of it. Look at Sigmarines they aren't.

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>>52319515
>run 6 meganobz
>one dies
>roll a 6, subtract their bravery of 4
>remove 3 more

>>52319718
>And if I'm charging a Unit of Guardians, how come they are able to react faster to me, AND overwatch me at the same time?

Because Elves have superhuman reflexes, and a group of angry yelling orks isn't exactly subtle?

I mean, I play Slaanesh marines, and now I have to deal with my Initiative 6 chaos lord patiently waiting for the enemy to slowly bring down their power axe onto his head instead of evicerating them in a blink of an eye, like what should happen.

Not only that, but even if I charge, my high initiative doesn't matter, since I hit first anyway.

If they wanted to add some modifiers to it, give charging models a bonus to initiative and give models that fired overwatch a penalty, that would be fine, but as it stands a Keeper of Secrets will stand still and wait to be punched by a Nob with a Power Klaw, even if it has no ranged weapons and has nothing else to do but get ready to fight that Nob.

>>52319751
>Also the charging units hit first is really dumb.
Honestly, I'm curious as to why you think that. I mean, aren't HoW attack still a thing?

>>52319714
Mark my words. Reinforcement points are coming. Suck it Tzeentch fags.

>>52319751
Chargers hitting first makes sense. Maybe it should just be Hammer of Wrath, though.

>>52319765
>And stuff like Synapse will probably interact with it.
If by "interact" you mean "completely shut it down" because if I ever, EVER have to take a break test as Tyranids I am fucking out.

Might as well just make them all speak english and drive around in metal boxes while they're at it.

>>52319785
I wonder, does it count for Powerfists and other unwieldy weapons too?

>>52319773
4/5 instances of HoW are worthless

>>52319773
That is why it's dumb, because that sort of thing where you charge in so fast that you crash into the enemy before they can react is represented by that rule. Otherwise, the assumption is that as you're moving forward, the enemy is drawing their weapons and getting ready to fight you, with swings being determined by initiative to see if you catch them off guard or if they're ready when you get there.

>>52319771
Hold remind me don't you only take battleshock if you Lost Combat?

So didn't your Meganobs kill 1 enemy? If so they deserve to get their asses cut down.

>>52319703
dont worry, GW loves printing books that outdate our older books, so im sure the new codexes will have plenty of shit that prevents this, just like AoS does.

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>>52319714
well gentlemen it's been an honor shitposting with you all

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>>52319789
Stop being such a crybaby.
If my skeletons have to take battleshock tests then your stupid insect dinosaurs ought to have to as well.

>>52319714
Command Points and Morale sound stupid to me.

I don't know why you need more rewards than CAD or Formations already offer you, and morale is just making one of the mechanics I already don't really like even worse.

>>52319729
the difference is all the 40k armies stay the exact same and continue to get updates, its just a rules change lol

>>52319799
you take a battleshock test for every unit that took any casualties in the turn

>>52319799
According to what we've heard, it applies to shooting in 40k, basically replacing leadership.

If meganobz lost combat and had to fall back, they would already get swept and die. Except now with shooting, if one of them dies, the entire squad may just decide to vanish into thin air, instead of just falling back and potentially regrouping.

>>52319793
Depends on how they handle it. In Fantasy chargers struck first, but "Always Strike Last" on great weapons trumped that. My guess is they'll do something similar for Fists.

>>52319772
They might be removing Initiative...
Just a thought.

That said your Slaanesh lord might get something like gets to pile in 3" attack, then pile in 3" and attack again.

>>52319812
If you actually believe this, you're more naive than the people who thought Age of the Emperor wasnt going to happen.

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>>52319652
I play Tzeentch Daemonkin, it can be surprisingly powerful as long as you don't fight super competitive lists. I usually take the War Cabal from the Thousand Sons with an allied detachment of Pink Horrors, Screamers, a Herald on a disk (or a Lord of Change depending on the points) and a Burning Chariot and have either won, drawn, or narrowly won most of my games, and that's without summoning or 90% daemons.

What's the competitiveness of your local friend group? Is it really WAAC-infested?

>>52319824
they could also play by 2e's cards and have the fists/hammers not slower than any regular weapon at all

>>52319743

>thrown back at you from the fluff

You've not given a single example of craftworlders and Deldar refusing to ally due to soul eating. You've done nothing to corroborate your point that lasting alliances are impossible whilst being given example after example of such things happening. It only took one example to prove you wrong, the rest is icing on the cake to emphasize just how wrong you are. This isn't rogue trader fluff. Valedor was only a few years ago and had Autarchs using former ties to ask Vect to lend them his planet imploder.

>>52319574

>Working together temporarily =/= racial unity or forgiveness
>“Alongside death-dealing, the Harlequins possess another, ritual duty: they travel between the realms of their divided kin – the craftworlds, the Exodite worlds and the dark city of Commorragh – performing the dances and plays of the Eldar mythic cycle. Viewed with superstitious awe, these ritual performances remind the Eldar of the gods they once knew and of the Fall of their ancient race, ensuring that their people retain some semblance of RACIAL UNITY. ”

Is the harlie codex too "obscure" for you?

>>52319617
We apologize, you're correct.

We'll take this argument over to the 40k general thread where such things are normally discussed.

>>52319811
Shit opinion bro. I'm tired of TauDar and Imperial soup.

>>52319773
Why would Hammer of Wrath still be a thing if this change was implemented?

Also Hammer of Wrath is mechanically very different from "all of my attacks hit first on a charge". It uses the models unmodified strength, hits automically, has no AP, has no weapon special rules, and hits only once. It's just to represent the crushing impact of a massive monstrous creature or full speed bike slamming into the crowd. It's not the same as swinging your weapon around,

See this other anons post for why its a bad idea >>52319772

Basically models that have faster reflexes that should be reacting quicker to being attacked now will be sitting their with their thumbs up their asses like fucking idiots letting slow dumb enemies hit them before they can respond, and gain NO BENEFIT when they themselves charge because they already strike first either way.

Just piss all over Genestealers and Daemons and Wyches why don't you, GW. It throws a bone to the Ork players and fucks over everyone else, and all Orks needed was the Ere We Go special rule to give them an Initiative bonus when they charge.

And the really annoying part is how that article words it like "we thought we would give players more control over when they attack..." like, fuck you, next are we gonna here "we thought we would give players more control over when they could shoot, so we're letting them shoot into and out of close combat! Isn't that great and FUN?!"

>>52319714
>dem new deepstrike rules and 4 sides bases.

>>52319413
>slaanesh not getting squatted in Age of Guilliman
Last Chance!

>>52319833
no, everyone knew change was coming, only retarded grognards cared because they fear all change. the game sucks ass right now like someone pointed out earlier. the rebalance will make shittier armies perform better which is very needed.

>>52319845
Fantasy had both "Chargers stick first" and "Impact hits" so they could keep both.

>>52319714
I play and enjoy both games and unlike many anons here I don't scream the sky is falling every little thing.

> 3 ways to play
Nobody does this ever. Narrative and open play is dumb as fuck and is covered by unbound. No one does this in sigmar unless it's a friendly as fuck game

>Command points
Like the allegiance system from sigmar. OK this seems reasonable but it also seems to pigeon hole you into certain builds. I'd prefer chapter tactics for various army lists. For example building your nids after leviathan gives you boosted synapse range while behemoth gives +1 initiative

>movement
This is good.

>armor modifiers
Meh, I like the system in aos but I also like the ap system in 40k. If done right I think this will be great but I don't seem it necessary right now.

> charging units hit first
I get it, but that's too extreme. Charging units should get an initiative boost but firewarriors are not magically faster than eldar. Change went too far in the right direction

>Morale
It works well enough in sigmar against hordes and elites alike. I didn't think there was anything necessarily wrong with 40k morale though. If it's go this route, much like sigmar, many units will have abilities to mitigate the effects or make them worse for your opponent.

>>52319714
that mostly sounds good

im unloading my shotgun. for now

>>52319810
Go fuck yourself fantasyfag. Read literally any Tyranid lore ever before you open your mouth. Tyranids in synapse do not run away - they don't even have a concept of self-preservation, they are organic automata designed to murderfuck everything until they starve to death, or literally catch bullets to waste the opponent's ammunition and make the biggest corpse pile they can so the rest of the swarm can climb over their corpses to scale the walls of a fortress.

>>52319729
>They're going all fucking in on the AoS'ing
>Half the shit they're adding in from AoS was scalped from 2nd ed 40k
Oh no, they're going to put 40k back into my 40k!

>>52319751
>Also the charging units hit first is really dumb.
I can see it being pretty shitty for armies that rely on their high ini to survive (DEldar, Harlies, etc) in melee, but for melee horde armies (Orks, 'nidz, etc) it will be DAMN useful. It'll make charging a lot more appealing in general and it'll make jump/jet-pack and bike melee units much more necessary for a melee army than they already are.

>but it remains to be seen if they're going to go full retard and replace Strength and Toughness values.
Aye. Some of these changes are pretty much universally nice (Save modifiers instead of AP, bonuses to fluffy armies), but others are kinda more odd. And hell, it's GW after all. They'll find some way to make the great changes shit and the shit changes shittier somehow.

>>52319765
>battleshock
Does battleshock replace sweeping advance? Losing a few models suddenly doesn't seem so bad when I compare it to the whole unit being killed outright due to one bad roll.

>>52319776
>Reinforcement points are coming.
REINFORCEMENTS ARE EN ROUTE!

>>52319852
>dem new deepstrike rules
assault_from_deepstrike.mp4

>>52319772
But if they're being charged, how in the world are they reacting first? I mean, if we are sticking to lore, then the Orks should have no way of possibly charging your units in the first place, since you should be the one charging first. And now, couple this with the added move speed stat, you should be the one dictating the flow of battle. I mean, why the heck should a Slaanesh lord let himself get charged by a bunch of slow Orks? And if he's already getting charged, how can he react faster than the giant, green horde of muscle thats steam rolling towards him?

In my mind, it makes more sense for the unit charging to go first, since they are the ones slamming into combat, not the other way around. Sure, once the charge has faded, the Eldar regroup and are far faster, but what the heck is a Screaming Banshee going to do when 40 Orkz come barreling down the hill to smash her?

>>5231984
Harlequins are not the same as craftworld Eldar and all sides have some amount of suspicion directed towards them.

Come on now, this isn't hard. Try at least a little anon.

Where are you on the autism spectrum? Must be pretty high to not recognized the inherent problems somebody might have with eating their family.

>>52319829
>That said your Slaanesh lord might get something like gets to pile in 3" attack, then pile in 3" and attack again.

Yes, I'm sure my Chaos marines will be first in line for a shiny new update.

In all seriousness though, removing initiative requires a pretty serious overhaul of how combat works. It means the downsides of a Power Axe or fist are basically nonexistant. Plus, we don't know if initiative would apply in later rounds of combat, so it might still be there...just only useful during very stalemated fights or by the time the fight's almost over.

I'm sure they're going to try and compensate for it by having high initiative substituted with faster movement instead, but honestly that sounds like it'll just make more issues. I liked having my Slaanesh marines be able to hang back and meet an enemy's charge.

>>52319845
Well given that movement stats are back it's incredibly likely that genestealers and eldar and such will be able to move far enough that determining a charge is in their hands

>>52319751
Movement values existed in 40K before. Save modifiers existed in 40K before.

Feel like more of a step back to 40K's past with some AoS ideas in the mix.

>>52319877
>Does battleshock replace sweeping advance?
Yes, and the Warhammer Community article explicitly says it will in 40k as well.

Everything ive seen so far makes me believe orks are just going to get worse

>Orks will be movement 4
>Orks will have 4 bravery

>>52319845
Holy shit dude, calm down. You sound like a WHFB player during the AoS release.

>>52319845
>we thought we'd give players more control over how much damage their weapons do
>so now just remove however many of your opponent's models you feel like!

>>52319805
You will not be missed. None of you over-reacting manchildren will be missed.

>>52319897
choppas might gett their armor piercing rules back
I2 is no longer an issue

>>52319843
Morale is shitting on horde armies more than any of those though, unless you mean command points?

In which case I agree with you there, especially in the case of Tau and Eldar or anything allying that isn't the same race. I'm actually kind of okay with the Imperium soup, even if I don't like the Imperium, because it at least is sensible to occur frequently. I don't know if that's what command points are trying to fight or not. If so, cool I guess, I just don't really know. But yeah I'm down with nerfing allies however they choose to do it.

>>52319845
Good thing fast/agile units won't be able to manoeuvre to ensure they get the charge and combats will never make it past the first round.

>>52319875
Not him but what you described is exactly how a skeleton warrior under command of a necromancer acts

>>52319840
>You've not given a single example of craftworlders and Deldar refusing to ally due to soul eating.

Jesus christ. Read what you just wrote.

Obviously vehicles will not be like behemoths in AoS, so im curious how that will work.

>>52319912
Not him, but that just means the rule is retarded for skeletons too.

>>52319562

Bear in mind that I can't think of anything in AoS that is more than -3 Rend, and those are really rare. Probably 90% of Rend is -1, with 9% being -2 and maybe 1% being -3. If that does come about, it might very well point towards Terminators becoming much more useful. We'll have to wait and see.

On the other hand, replacing AP with modifiers might also point towards vehicles getting a toughness characteristic and armour saves. It's worth mentioning that the AoS monstrous creature chart with decreasing effectiveness as they lose wounds also works very well for vehicles.

>>52319882

>Denies there is racial unity between CWE/DE
>Lore about Harlequins strengthening racial unity between CWE/DE is cited
>'BUT HARLIES AREN'T CWE'

Are you clinically retarded? How do you not grasp the simplest of points?

>>52319912
Then the rules writers for Undead in AoS are stupid fucking assholes and it's making me dread even more how badly they're going to fuck over nids. I will quit this goddamn game so fast and go back to playing 2nd edition.

>>52319917
I was of the opinion that they were just going to get Wounds and Toughness values like the new terrain pieces got.

>>52319875
not him but

i hope nids get squated :^)

>>52319908
It still doesn't make sense, if my Genestealers attack a unit of Guard, and then kill them all, and then his Guard charge me in his turn, how am I not hitting first again, exactly?

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>>52319714
>using rules from AoS to trigger grognards
>making fluffy lists better
>hinting at sisters return
>much needed change to AP
>orks are now a melee race
>more AoS style rules

40k lads, is this, dare I say it, the greatest news we've had in months? this entire posts absolutely destroys all of the shitposting grognard faggots that have been shitting this board up since AoS dropped. its almost like GW has been browsing /tg/ frequently and did everything they could to absolutely BTFO every doom saying shit posting nigger that comes here and is unable to have fun with warhammer.

I can't wait for 8th to drop.

>orkz
>i2
>IT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER ANYMORE LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

>>52319922
And yet fearless units in 40k still take additional losses if they lose combat so NOTHING FUCKING CHANGED for Nids. Now they just roll a die to see how many they lose over just taking loses equal to the amount they lost combat by.

>>52319915

Oh so you have an example of Deldar and Eldar refusing to ally when asked? Cool, let's see it. Not that'd it change the fact the argument one whether lasting alliances is possible, but I'd still be interested on the off chance you're not bullshitting.

>>52319666
see
>>52319672

In the absence of some blob-protection mechanic, blobs are now fucking useless. Even with a Ld8 or Ld9 character or whatever, if they get blasted a decent amount in one turn, another extremely large chunk of the squad is going to instantly vaporize

Since it seems they're going to AoS-ize 40k to some extent they might add in all the AoS blob buffs though. A lot of units in that game get way better when the units are bigger (aka when you buy more models kek)

>>52319794
Well, than why NOT let the Charger actually make use of their attacks than? HoW seems kind of pointless to me, since all I ever hear about them doing is just a few measly wounds than and again.

>>52319797
So what? I just assume that the Squad of Guardians is doing fuck all before they see my Orkz charge them, and are all of a sudden 100% battle ready in a few moments? Despite being a on a battlefield filled with a hundred and one dangers, that should at least distract them a little? But oh no, the moment a giant horde of Orks crash into their lines, the Battle hardened Guardians instantly know how to react, and quickly take the initiative over the charging Ork horde, despite them being the ones trying to halt them

>>52319942
>And yet fearless units in 40k still take additional losses if they lose combat so
What the fuck game are you playing???

>>52319940
Good to see GW continues to hate their fanbase and it content to throw them under the bus for a short-term surge in profit

>>52319836
It's mostly friendly stuff. A couple WAAC fags who play tau. Other than that it's orks, dark angels, and tyranids. I play GK now but have been wanting to swap to tzeentch for those new Lord of Change models. Ditching 2+ for 5++ is kinda spooky for me though.

>>52319904
sorry, kneejerk reaction. i really need a month or so to tell how good or bad the new system is.

and i'll probably still play because dammit i've spent too much time on 40k to give it up now

>>52319957
He might mean Daemons, but that's only because of the Instability rule.

>>52319940
I'm happy about all of this because after eighteen years it means terminators might be good again.

>>52319879
>since you should be the one charging first

Unless maybe I didn't want to get into close combat with Orks at all, and wanted to shoot them instead?

>what the heck is a Screaming Banshee going to do when 40 Orkz come barreling down the hill to smash her?

Slice his head off in the moment it takes him to blink? You're really underestimating how fast Eldar reflexes are here. Heck, you're acting like it's impossible to react to someone charging at you quickly enough to hit them before they hit you, when that's something that actual people in actual swordfights and warfare do all the time.

>>52319871
>Nobody does this ever.
I'd run a fluffy game if the rules actually allowed for it. As it goes now, I have no reason to use my Chapter Master since he's a footslogging Assault character with AP4.

>Like the allegiance system from sigmar.
How does this work? I don't play AoS.

>I'd prefer chapter tactics for various army lists. For example building your nids after leviathan gives you boosted synapse range while behemoth gives +1 initiative
This sounds like a great idea. More armies need not!ChapterTactics.

>Charging units should get an initiative boost
I like this as well, but how far would you go? +2? +3? 1.5x? 2x?

>>52319895
>Yes, and the Warhammer Community article explicitly says it will in 40k as well.
So we still have the dogshit morale tests shooting gives where the last model of squad passes on the same value as a squad that only took 25%? That's kinda weak to me. I actually love the idea of reducing leadership by how many wounds you took before the test.

>>52319940
Shit, we need a new way to bully ork, STAT!
>orks
>t3
laughing_trio_of_ordo_xenos_inquisitors.jpg

>>52319942
>still thinks this is 5th edition
>thinks morale checks only happen in close combat
>hurrr what are guns

>>52319925
Harlequins wanting something is not the same as Craft World Eldar wanting something. Is that simple enough for you?

Remembering a shared racial heritage and wanting Eldar to be top dog is not the same as hugging it out with the DE that violated your sister physically and spiritually before sending her soul to rape hell.

>>52319302
instead of just "i charge so i go first". they should have a chart like with wounding or hitting.

equal initiative? charger hits first.
charger 3 charged 4? charger hits first but only with 50% of models.

and so on.

>>52319957
A past edition of the 40k rules where the "No Retreat" rule still existed apparently.

>>52319923
Likely yes. I could see them using a chart and just multiplying current hull points by 4 and saying that's the number of wounds it has, and assigning a base save.

I figure AP 1 weapons would have the -4, and I think I saw a few (one or two) in chaos Dwarves war machines but I might have been mistaken.

>>52319904
>None of you over-reacting manchildren will be missed.
I can't wait for people to realize how many more people are going to leave the game over AoSification than they thought. With Fantasy no one could tell because nobody actually fucking played Fantasy and most of the new AoS players are completely new. With 40k you will actually see a game die.

>>52319948
I do not have a story about Black Templar refusing to join forces with Noise Marines. But we can still assume that shit wouldn't happen anon.

You want proof that people don't want you devouring their souls. That's the jesus christ.

>>52319871
>I get it, but that's too extreme. Charging units should get an initiative boost but firewarriors are not magically faster than eldar. Change went too far in the right direction
the article reads to me as if they're not set on this and still working it out. Being a modifier instead of just straight up striking first may well be how they go

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>>52319923
>new ap rules
>terminators become useful again
step aside sisters players, this is something we've been waiting for much longer than anyone else.

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>>52319992
You are literally saying the exact same things the WHFB players said before Sigmar dropped.
Stop being such a fucking stereotype and calm down.

>>52319926
Dude I don't have anything with fearless so my knowledge of the fearless rule only goes as far as early 5th but...quite your bitching. Fearless up to Fifth lost guys equal to the number of guys they lost combat by. Boo fucking hoo. Now you might lose 1 or 2 more. Cry me a fucking river bug boy/girl

>>52319992
None of my group plans to quit over this. You can pretend it's going to be terrible if you'd like.

>>52319769

Both Dispossessed (dorfs) and Khorne Blood-insert-noun-here can plant banners to give all units within 18" immunity to Battleshock. That's a 36" bubble and functionally immune for the whole army.

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>>52319980
>chart
lol no

>>52320007
All 20 of the WHFB players who still existed? Anon please.

>>52319714

>"Age of the Emperor is never coming", said a bunch of retarded faggots on /tg/

kek RIP 40K as we know it. The 40K universe will end soon and be replaced with Realms in the Immaterium. It's basically End Times all over again.

>Sell a bunch of giant $$$$$ models
>"Plot progression"
>Promise major rules changes

Next step: Scrap. Fucking. Everything. All lore is going to go out the window, enjoy your Aedepticus Mechanaecium Scrapgrabbers vs Aeldari Freehold Zion Facestabbers vs KHORNE DEATHSKULL BLOODDEATH SKULLBLOOD BLOODLEGION battles and your squatted armies kek

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Can't wait for all my forgeworld models they dont make anymore to be completely worthless

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Do these new 8th edition rules mean that all of the codex books will be obsolete?

I'm scared.

>>52320007
I can't wait for the kickstarter for Emperors of War to flare up.

>>52320009
That literally only happened in 5th, not up to 5th but only within that one edition, and only in close combat, and they got rid of it because they realized it was retarded.

>>52320020
8th ed. is in June. They don't have time to destroy the galaxy. It's exactly what we and they said all along, big rules changes, no End Times.

>>52320000

If Termies become good again I'm running Strike Force Ultra forever.

>>52320027
Judging just by the addition of movement stats and armour modifiers, yes. 100%, all existing Codexes, supplements, and so forth are going to be paperweights.

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>>52320000
yes please

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I just dont care anymore

Fucking kill it

put giant marinre in

squat a few armies

I dont fucking care

Anything is better than how it is now

>>52319457
Am I the only one that thinks this makes it sound as if 8th is farther away than summer? The way they talk about these rules changes are as ideas or considerations.

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>>52320000
>Terminators become useful again
I WANT TO BELIEVE

>>52319957
3rd, 4th, and 5th Edition 40k. Haven't had anything fearless since then.

>>52319833
>if you actually believe
Everyone believes this, dumb fantasy grognard.

>>52319972
>>Charging units should get an initiative boost
>I like this as well, but how far would you go? +2? +3? 1.5x? 2x?
+2 seems the sweet spot of meanigful change. Means charging guardsmen go before marines, who go at the same time as charging orcs. Charging marines hit at the same time as genestealers but charging eldar can get the edge against them.

>>52319398
I just want the rules to get a makeover, so I don't have to flip through 3 different books to understand a rules interaction.

Present every rule's complete text on the stat block for a unit. No more one thousand unique keywords per model. Take a lesson from MTG.

>>52320027
most likely yes, but they'll probably offer free rules online just like they do with AoS. the books are strictly optional for those that want paper copies.

this essentially means the end of having to constantly buy new books for 40k.

>>52319972
>how does allegiance work?
So in sigmar you belong to one of the four grand alliances (order chaos,death,destruction) and will always claim one of those allegiances in matched play (using points) so let's say I'm playing slaves to darkness (black legion) and have a bloodthirster, my allegiance is chaos. My army receives an allegiance ability or perk and my heroes can take relics pertaining to my allegiance (so demon forged weapons for example). For the more updated armies you can claim allegiance to your faction, if your entire army is say khorn bloodbound (world eaters) you can claim khorne allegiance and receive the perks, unique magic, etc. That comes with it.

>charging
Here is my proposed change. We keep initiative stats as they are but change the rules for charging and overwatch. If a unit charges, he receives +1 to his initiative for that combat. If a unit is charged he has the option to A)fire overwatch or B) hold his ground.

A) the unit fires overwatch as normal but receives a -1 to his initiative for that combat
B) the unit holds his ground and maintains unmodified initiative for the combat

Then I would implement special rules for certain units (banshees, boyz) to increase or decrease these bonuses

>>52320053
Be careful what you wish for.

It's going to be a sad, sad day seeing all the people crushed by 8th and wishing we could go back to the garbage wraithknight grav bikestar spam of today.

>>52319970
Well than stay out of their Charge range and shoot them? Is that a difficult concept? I mean, how is that even a argument, even in 7th?
>>I want to shoot them, and then charge them, and then attack first
So what do you want? Do you want to strike first in combat, and also shoot them? Because you can already do that. You just seemingly want to not only shoot, but to also get charged, and than attack first, because lol, my guys are so fast, that I kill all your guys before they can even reach me.

>Slice his head off
And than get smashed aside and curb stomped by his mates? Because now your doubting how strong and brutal Orkz can be. And yeah, in real life, if you charge someone, you usually do get to hit them, or try to hit them first. Your also forgetting that WS is a thing, and as long as it exists, you should still have some effect in that charge. If your getting charged you HAVE to react to that charge; You are the one being put on the defensive, not the other way around.

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>>52319961
Welcome to Chaos, brother.

Rubrics are pretty elite too so I know the dreaded feeling of failing an armour save, but with the daemons you'll have so many models (that reroll 1s!) that you won't need to worry too much. The LoC in particular is VERY safe, being a flying t6 with the ability to get a 3++ rerolling 1s.

Tau you might struggle against if they go full WAAC, but everything else should be fine. Just remember that the Psyker phase is your absolute best friend. With Tzeentch you will control both yours and your opponents completely, even more so than Grey Knights.

What kind of army in particular where you thinking about running? Psychic-spam? Summoning? Rubric hordes? Flamer/Screamer mix-ups?

>>52320056
They're just being cagey. The "all hands meetings" and such that indicate a new edition from a corporate logistics standpoint are already scheduled for May/June.

I've wanted some focus on making the traitor legions more individual for ages. Now they've finally done it, unique, plastic figures for each cult legion, and the more than likely return of Moratorian. Now I just need Slaanesh and I'm set.

>>52319951
>I just assume that the Squad of Guardians is doing fuck all before they see my Orkz charge them

Then you're under some pretty stupid assumptions. This same rule would apply even if there's only one squad of boyz left on the battlefield and the guardians are sitting in a bunker waiting for them.

I'm all for initiative modifiers, particularly Orks, since they need them, but this just goes to far and makes it completely meaningless. It doesn't matter if my unit has high initiative, since it all boils down to who charges first.

Heck, would you say the reverse is fair? Daemonettes running headlong across the battlefield towards a position of Necrons, claws ready for the melee that they know is about to happen, only for the robo-skeletons to suddenly rush them and hit first?

>>52320074
>wishing we could go back to the garbage wraithknight grav bikestar spam

This will never ever happen, no matter how fucking retarded the new rules are

>>52320086
Oh god I didn't even think of that.

If 8th is launching in june the rulebook is already written and gone to printers which means none of this is subject to change at all.

>>52320020

As an Ork player, my army has been shat on for so long that I honestly have no loyalty to the current system left. So frankly, bring it on. Only way left is up for us.

>>52320074
No sane person would wish that.

>>52320072
if true this would be a big step in the right direction for GW.

would explain why they haven't done a real codex release in a while and what books they have done have been more fluff and less rules. If they've known they'll do this.

>>52320109
Correct

>>52320095
>>52320112
I'm going to screenshot your posts, and in 4 months we'll all be looking back at them, and I hope I'm wrong, I really do.

>>52319868
>the game sucks ass right now
Yeah and AoS ruleset will fix it sure, just like it worked in AoS itself

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>>52320027

>my godawful 7th edition codex is invalidated

FUCK.

YES.

Also take this as you will but in response to a facebook comment that read "are you sigmarising us?! You monsters tell us don't Torture us!" Gw said "we prefer the term "troggothing"

In aos, trolls were renamed to troggoths. Thus they said "we prefer the term trolling"

So Yea, go nuts with that.

>>52320128
Just pray the next one isn't even worse.

>>52320124
AoS is a great game tho.

>>52320135
>I1

>>52320020
>KHORNE DEATHSKULL BLOODDEATH SKULLBLOOD BLOODLEGION

you sir have just named my chaos warband.

>>52320133
They've gotten quite cheeky lately.

>>52320140
>AoS is a great game
For 3 armies who get new Battetomes.

>>52320027
And this is why I never, ever bought a book from GW

>>52320072
>this essentially means the end of having to constantly buy new books for 40k.

>laughinglaughter.exe

>>52320133
...Is it possible these are just jokes playing off of our fears of the game being made into AoS-in-space and there's actually a whole new edition update coming that WON'T invalidate all the existing codexes?

>>52320135

Hey, I'm sure Codex: Skrap Grabbas will be awesome

>>52320122
I can guarantee that eldar/tau players will be bitching they aren't number 1 OP and can actually lose to orks and dark eldar, so yes he is technically correct already.

>>52320133
Age of Gweelymon and his Ultracast Ultraternals

>>52319728

Hordes arent hurt by it anymore then they are by sweeping advance. Guess what happens when a Chaos Lord gets into combat with a 50-man conscript blob? He kills three of them, they lose combat and the surviving 47 conscripts are all instantly destroyed.

I genuinely dont understand how this is somehow worse than getting swept. Dont want your units getting shit on by morale? Then pay the points and get their morale up. Same as its always been.

>>52320072
>this essentially means the end of having to constantly buy new books for 40k.


unless you want to use
>warlord traits
>formations
>relics

this is just going by how AoS battltomes are

>>52319453

I guess I can't be upset because of all this new shit, but I'm going to bump anyway.

>>52320076
>Well than stay out of their Charge range and shoot them?
Not always the easiest option with gun ranges.

>Because you can already do that

Can now, not with this change. Rapid-fire weapons are a thing you know.

I know you're running at me with the orks. I know you're going to charge me with the orks. But that doesn't mean every unit I have would be better off charging into orks instead of continuing to shoot and waiting for their advance instead.

>And than get smashed aside and curb stomped by his mates?

If there was one banshee, yes. Otherwise, they're going to have a hard time smashing anything with similarly missing heads.

>If your getting charged you HAVE to react to that charge

Man, if only there was a stat to determine how fast various units reacted to charges.

>>52320150
FUCKING KEK

But it wouldn't matter if you always strike first on the charge anon :^) it's totally fair that I1 units can outspeed my hyper-reflexes adrenaline-drug-pumped lightning fast murder machines just because they were the ones to tire themselves out running up a hill at me :^)

>>52320166
they won't invalidate anything without offering an immediate replacement, as they literally have always done. and yes they enjoy triggering autists.

>>52320154

This one took the cake though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dl0OtWqCa0

>>52320072
>>52320158
You'll still need a Codex for your main force to get army wide special rules. What it does mean is you dont need to buy a book for allies and it's easier to read up on the general rules for everyone else's armies.

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Horus Heresy is staying the same, just go there

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https://youtu.be/Z7CUmdskOtI?t=37s
>we are the seventh legion
What did the fourteenth legion mean by this?

>>52320181
Rules are all online now, just print out warlord traits and stuff like that ahead of time.

>>52320180
I think it's mostly bugs complaining since they're usually never swept.

>>52319979

>Harlequins wanting something is not the same as Craft World Eldar wanting something.

You've been given a multiple examples of CWE actively pursuing alliances with Deldar and vice versa you dumb fuck. Why did Sunspear offer to go to Commoragh to speak in person with Vect due to their mutual understandings on elf supremacy? The entire reason Harlequins were summoned to negotiate in the first place is because the CWE wanted to ally with Deldar. Why did Alaitoc ask Deldar to punish human rulers for them if they didn't want to ally? Why were Deldar enraged to hear about humans attacking a Craftworld? They wanted a god damn alliance and asked for a god damn alliance.

You complain about GS: FoB not addressing Deldar/CWE tensions, but it does exactly that. Surprise, surprise, it's because Harlequins did their job of making sure they ally and play nice. As is their fucking premise.

>>52320166
Maybe, but they're a week early for april fools.

>another chaos release without upgrading the vanilla csm sprue

Its like GW does not want that csm plays with csm.

>>52320181
of course the books will be better to have, what other incentive would you have to buy them?

>>52320198
Their numbers have been cut in half

>>52320199
Sigmar batallions and special rules are not online, only in battletomes

>>52320000
quads confirm

>>52320198
Nurgle's chosen number.

>>52320211
Could be a long-con set-up for a really sick april fools joke

>>52320180
>I genuinely dont understand how this is somehow worse than getting swept.

Because it's for shooting

>>52320093
Well, actually, yes, because that either implies one of two things:
1) The Necron player was able to out-maneuver the Slaanesh player well enough to bring his unit into combat, thus deserving the Charge's bonus.

Or, 2), which is more likely:
The Slaanesh player is a dipshit who fucked up, and put his Daemonette players into a bad situation, and over extended the unit, despite having a presumably faster move speed, and maneuverability, and the enemy being far, far slower than every other faction.

I mean, if you can get charged by Necrons in the first place as a Assault based army, than you've already fucked up. This is presuming that the Necron player doesn't just shoot the crap out of you.

>>52320198
It means Craft Eldar are totally cool with Dark Eldar eating their souls because fluff never contradicts.

>>52320180
>I genuinely dont understand how this is somehow worse than getting swept
Because there are a lot of armies that cannot get swept, and this is going to shit on them, and shit on them with shooting too

>>52320197
take my Tau into 30k?

alright if you insist.

>>52320213
Sort of yes

>>52319996

>Comparing CSM's relationship with loyalists to Deldar's relationship with CWE

So now we've established you don't know anything about 40k I'd like to direct you to the ally matrix. Tell me; are CSM pals with SM or Imperials of any kind? Now what does it say about Deldar and CWE? Hmm, "battle brothers"? Gee, that seems to be pretty congruent with the fact one allies a lot in fluff and the other doesn't, huh?

>>52320191

>Put power fists on every single jetpack or bike guy in your army
>10 power fists swinging at initiative 11+ on the charge

absolute lulz

>>52320133

If true then it's just cruel at this point how they constantly tease SoB players

>>52320239
It means Craftworlders are cool with Dark Eldar because they don't even eat souls anymore.

>>52320241
nids will obviously get some sort of immunity to this when they're within synapse range.

>>52320237
>and the enemy being far, far slower than every other faction.
>both are infantry and have 2d6" charge range
>even with movement stats, at best the difference between them will probably be 2 inches
>what did he mean by this
your bullshit might sound convincing to you on paper but it really doesn't hold up when you look at the numbers

>>52320073
>*explanation of how allegiance works*
Ah, that doesn't sound too bad. I pretty much play mixed Imperial armies at the moment (not in the OP sense, I just like running a lot of allied armies together), and that sounds pretty decent to me. As long as it doesn't absolutely murder my Skitarii/SoB/Inquisition/Flesh Tearers army lists I'm good for it.

>If a unit charges, he receives +1 to his initiative for that combat.
So, The Red Thirst now becomes a global rule? I can dig it. I just hope it stacks.
>Overwatch being a trade-off
I can dig it. It'd be pretty hard to be on the ball right at the start of combat if you're still firing your gun when your target reaches you.

I hope running won't disallow charging in 7th ed. I always hated how I had to just waddle towards an enemy unit waddling away from me at the same speed I'm going while they shoot me every turn. It'd go a long ways to make footslogging melee units like Terminators a lot better.

>>52320133
>GW announces a lot of good changes to 40k
>A lot of the community seems pretty open to a lot of these changes
>nah guys we were just trolling u XDDDDD
ffs

>>52320198
They caught the disease.
The disease of stupid.

>>52320219
I'm sure the battle tomes are online somewhere.

>>52320242
>Tau
Why the fuck would you care if assault rules change?

If anything Tau will get better if they can shoot in combat

>>52320225
No. Because the reason they're showing this now is Adepticon panels.

>>52320258
Well by that logic you dont have to buy books for 40k right now because you can pirate them

>>52320264
Let me hope, anon.

>>52320258
You can buy them in the app, but they aren't free. Unless you just mean pirating them.

>>52320245
>Imagine if CSM and SM had the same relationship as CWE and DE
>Begrudging allies, one having caused a lot of shit to their race but they're kinda fine with it as long as there are bigger threats
>Thousand Sons and Space Wolves fighting side by side as cheeky rivals against the horrific Orkish threat

...I don't know how to feel about these thoughts.

>>52320203
All of those 'examples' were temporary last ditch for survival things, or of the "Only I get to beat my wife" style. They are all xenophobic pricks. This does not mean that they are cool with one side eating the other. You keep complaining about me bringing up this unfortunate fact, but most races care about you eating them.

But after this, I am walking away from this one, the autism is too much for me. You're getting END TIMES elves in space anyway so i guess you 'win'?

>>52319879

>what the heck is a Screaming Banshee going to do when 40 Orkz come barreling down the hill to smash her?

Kill a bunch before they can react and then go down swinging to the subsequent dog pile? What did you think would happen? That she'd just stand still and shrug her shoulders without taking anyone down with her?

>>52320271
Well that goes without saying, don't tell me you people actually support GW?

>>52319972
Orks are T4.

>>52320271
It is true that you need fewer books for a Sigmar style army. You only need the book for whatever your allegiance is.

So it looks like the Death Guard release may be paralleling the Thousand Sons release in the "type" of units they're getting.
Cultist type equivalent
Their cult marine
HQ
(Named Character HQ?)
Primarch
And maybe some heavy unit?
I'm guessing this will be the format for the legions to come too?

>>52320293

Cultists
Termies
God unique marines
Unique HQ
Probably some psyker
Primarch

>>52320187
Than get longer range guns? Is it my problem that you can't decide whether to take the risk of coming in close for rapid fire, or staying a good distance away and firing in safety?

And your saying its not only fair that not only do my Orkz have to endure being shot at by your forces, but even when they come running at you, swinging their weapons, you still beat them in combat simply because you can move faster?

And we can usually assume that Banshee's are going to be outnumbered in combat since Orks by nature come in hordes, so they there is no reason to believe that the first few Banshee's on the edge of the squad are gonna be able to sweep aside a whole torrent of charging Orks. But, once again, you are the idiot who's letting them get charged in the first place, rather than dictating the battle. And if you get charged like a idiot, than it's your own fault for not going first in combat.

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>>52320282
I can see elite speed units like banshee's still being able to strike first, hell they might just get a rule that says "always strikes first".

>>52320287
>Orks are T4
They were already locked in combat with a squad of Skitarii Vanguard, I swear.
I've never played against orks.

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>>52320293
Oh god I love Cult Units. Sound Marines when?

>>52319879
>what the heck is a Screaming Banshee going to do when 40 Orkz come barreling down the hill to smash her?

Literally this:

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

And then the orks all fall over and die

>>52320301
>psyker
>when Morty was against psyker
are you sure ?

>>52320291
I honestly can't fucking wait for new books. right now I own 4 god dam books to play my army and im STILL missing rules for them.

>>52320237
>makes a fluff argument about guardians being distracted
>well, what about the reverse case where Daemonettes are clearly ready for a fight and get charged?
>*crunch argument*

It doesn't make sense in fluff, and that's what matters most. If a Necron player manages to out-maneuver some warriors or the Slaanesh player makes a mistake and gets charged, the Daemonettes should still strike first. The Necron player is already getting a reward there by gaining bonus attacks and denying the Daemonettes theirs. It doesn't need to be compounded in such a way.

>>52320301
>probably some psyker
What makes you say this? I'd say it'll be more of Customizable HQ Marine" than psyker, with exalted sorcerers being the Thousand Sons one.

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>>52320128
>tfw the 7e codex actually buffed Snikrot and some other things
I will miss you, Finkin' Kap.

Does this mean my current list will be invalidated? I haven't even started collecting it.

>>52320306
Yeah but charging units get a Super Duper Always ALWAYS Strikes First No Mater What rule.

>>52320293
Great unclean one.

>>52320331

special rules are there to alter basic rules.

>>52320306
Or, instead of having to give every fast unit in the game a rule to strike first, we could just leave the initiative system as-is, and then give Orks +2 initiative on the charge or something?

>>52320316
typhus

death guard stopped caring about psykers after they got dicked by one and went full nurgle

>>52320331
look man if you wanna be upset and intentionally retarded I can't stop you, banshee's will be fine.

Is anyone still have that Morty's leak picture ?

>>52320327
If you haven't started collecting models yet, what's the issue.

>>52320336
Oh god I hope, the GW GUO is one of the worst models I've ever seen..

>>52320318
>If a Necron player manages to out-maneuver some warriors or the Slaanesh player makes a mistake and gets charged, the Daemonettes should still strike first
nah, rewarding clever movement and counter charges is a good thing

>>52320311
Although I'm satisfied with my Rubricae, I'm really excited to see the other legions getting their cult marines and such. Noise marines will be interesting with the quality they've been pumping out. Wonder what the heavy support/elite unit will be for EC, maybe noise termis or maybe those sexy palatine blades?
>>52320355
Good point. I guess he'll be there to fill the named light HQ slot.

So, since Gathering Storm is over now, are we going to get a new novel series that explains Morty and the Death Guard 's invasion?

>>52320311
in a few months probably. They're the last cult legion that needs doing.

>>52320280

>were temporary last ditch for survival things
>Just ignoring the point about Sunspear and Vect having an established alliance from before the book takes place
>Even though it's been spelled out for you several times
>Ignoring the other examples of Scorpions taking on an Incubi permanently as part of book's redemption arc

At this point, you're just incorrigible. It's been demonstrated for you tenfold that there are precedents for lasting alliances and that there's an entire subfaction themed around it, but you refuse to acknowledge it. Yes they dislike each other and talk mad shit each time they ally, but they still ally frequently and have had leaders form lasting truces and alliances. They explain clearly why they're allying in GS, and there are many things to gripe about, but one of the most common and fully justified battle brothers aint one of em.

So what'll be the first armies updated to the new rules aside from Marines.

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>>52320331
Fantasy had "Always strikes first". It trumped charging.

You guys are seriously undervaluing the movement range and charge thing.

In aos. Foots loggers have move stats between 4-8 inches, with the 2d6 charge this means the maximum threat range for the gayest footslogger is 20 inches.

If you can't dictate a fight, using superior move speed, intervening terrain, ranged weaponry, or general strategy against something that will move on average 15 inches then you deserve to lose the close combat.

>>52320382
Technically berserkers need an update too. They're the oldest plastic kit still on the market alongside the catachan infantry squad.

>>52320380
Probably yes. Among other plotlines.

>>52320304
>And your saying its not only fair that not only do my Orkz have to endure being shot at by your forces, but even when they come running at you, swinging their weapons, you still beat them in combat simply because you can move faster?
>And your saying its not only fair that not only do my Grotz have to endure being shot at by your forces, but even when they come running at you, swinging their weapons, you still beat them in combat simply because your Dreadnought is bigger and stronger?
>And your saying its not only fair that not only do my Kanz have to endure being shot at by your forces, but even when they come running at you, swinging their weapons, you still beat them in combat simply because you have weapons designed for killing vehicles?
Your argument is retarded, anon.

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So they said the rules they're looking to add/change are currently up in the air, which is good because I think "the charger always strikes first" needs some work. Invalidating initiative will gimp a lot of armies, so I doubt they'll keep that idea word for word.

What if it was instead "the bonus attack from charging is resolved at I10 like HoW" or "chargers get a +2 bonus to Initiative"?

>>52320344
whatever they do will pretty much be the same as that, but worded simpler. these are obvious game changing rules and anyone with a half a brain can see a massive overhaul coming for all armies.

>>52320304
>you still beat them in combat simply because you can move faster?

Beat? No. Remember, I'm getting charged. You're dishing out 4 attacks and with most units I'm lucky to have 2.

It isn't my fault that the GW designed decided that Orks should swing second and use durability to win the fight.

>there is no reason to believe that the first few Banshee's on the edge of the squad are gonna be able to sweep aside a whole torrent of charging Orks

I didn't say there was. What I'm saying is that they'll probably kill a few thanks to their faster reflexes, and then the Orks will likely win out due to superior numbers.

I'm not asking to kill every ork that charges ever because of superior speed. I'm asking to actually get a few swings off because I'm not going to stand around like an idiot.

Also

>durr, just sit further away, don't get charged like a dummy, charge me!

Battles tend to be more complicated than that. Might be why such a dumbed-down initiative seems to appeal to you if you think it's that simple.

>>52320380
>are we going to get a new novel series that explains Morty and the Death Guard 's invasion?
Apparently he was helping Magnus since before the second Wulfen book. A certain half-serpent Daemon Prince was also said to be actively fighting in either Gathering Storms 2 or 3 and was absolutely destroying everyone he came across.

>>52320382
There are no Khorne CSM models besides ancient berserker sculpts.

>>52320371
seems a safe bet.
khorne and tzeentch got their greater deamons with their god specific updates.

>>52320402
you're assuming they aren't also going to tweak individual units, which they likely will. You're applying this new rule to the game as it is, which is retarded, because the game is obviously going to change a lot.

>>52320402
at GW they aren't that sensible

>>52320402
>So they said the rules they're looking to add/change are currently up in the air,
Hah no. 8th ed. is likely already done.

>>52320402
>So they said the rules they're looking to add/change are currently up in the air, which is good because
They're lying. Given the release schedule, there's no way the rules aren't already set in stone and the books off at the printing manufacturers.

>>52320380
yea there will be another trilogy of chapters, use your imagination. "gathering storm" happened so now the storms here and in chaos will get the spotlight.

then orks

>>52320372
Continue reading

>The Necron player is already getting a reward there by gaining bonus attacks and denying the Daemonettes theirs. It doesn't need to be compounded in such a way.

>>52320411
You know, it's interesting that Fulgrim, Moratorion, and Magnus have gotten a lot of focus as the leaders of the cult legions, but there really hasn't been much mention of Angron at all, unless I missed something.

>>52320372
>nah, rewarding clever movement and counter charges is a good thing

And as the guy made clear in his post, they already do get a reward in the form of denying Daemonettes their own charge bonuses. The game should correlate with fluff as much as possible for a fun fluffy game, not divorce it entirely.

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>>52320000

>terminators become useful again

Kek be praised. It is the truth!

>>52320254
If not Immunity (which I doubt they will get immunity) they will get some bonus that cuts the losses to a single d3 worth of them just getting dragged under in the corse of the combat.

>>52320448
a single extra attack after letting the combat unit wail on them isn't much of a bonus

especially since overwatch means they'll get two extra attacks (BS1 attacks, but extra nonetheless) and not be stuck in combat and risking being run down completely a turn early

>>52320453
Angron's thing was the First War for Armageddon.

So I just bought the guard and imperial agents book for basically nothing? I only have like 3 months before all the stuff I just built and painted will have different rules. Will all my formations be useless too? I hate change right when I get used to something finally.

>>52320453
Angron was always too batshit aggro to do any proper leading, and becoming daemon-lord did nothing to improve that
And of course Khorne dickheads themselves are often too rage-crazy to be properly led

>>52320000
Please emperoror, let it be so, i have about.....1.2k points worth of deathwing that i love to field, but they suck ass.

>>52320498
Maybe. We don't know.

>>52320469
>combat
Morale checks don't happen only in combat, and the losses are already represented by them LOSING COMBAT IN THE FIRST PLACE

>>52320453
Angron is too busy being angry about the spikes in his brain and the fact he always plays second fiddle to Doombreed and Kharn.

>>52320469
>(which I doubt they will get immunity)
If GW is too stupid to properly do synapse in this edition then everything else can only be far, far worse

It'll be dead game honestly

>>52319940

You should go out sometimes. While it is indeed great news, most of us have known since AoS that it will not happen to 40k. Even GW isn't stupid enough to butcher its cash flow.

>>52320525
Clinging to those awesome 7th ed. Nid rules I see.

>>52320486
Ah, so you're saying there are situations where a unit might prefer to brace for a charge instead of charging forward themselves?

Well, now we're back to the situation with guardians and Orks, where the Guardians might want to not be in punching range of Orks for as long as possible.

The very things you're asking for are already accounted for in the system. If you want to deny an enemy a bonus for charging, you charge them yourself. The miss out on extra attacks, and you get some. If the model has higher initiative then you, then you'll have to deal with that fact, the same way as if they had higher weapon skill, or toughness, or armor.

Having high initiative is a method of both defense and offense for a lot of those units. The ones with light armor need to strike first in order to reduce the number of attacks coming back at them. This is perfectly fine and fluffy, and such units should be considered competent enough to not be caught by surprise to the degree that they stand completely still and get slaughtered.

>>52320000

HAHA! Time to order me some Grey Knights again!

>>52319940
>the greatest news we've had in months?
That we're probably going to end up with a shit dead game that nobody plays?

Have fun with that, Orkfriend. You and all the other Ork players can have a blast playing Gorkamorka just amongst yourselves.

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>been spending time building a Nurgle lord
>See the trailer, and some of the new models
>don't feel like finishing it anymore

I mean, I'm gonna make a new one from the bits in those various kits, but still.

>>52319885
If almost like you'll have to tactically think about whether it's more valuable to hold your ground or charge before being charged. Crazy.

>>52320536
Ah, the "if you don't like the game becoming Age of Shitmar it means you want it to stay the shit that is 7th" strawman, I see. Truly you are a skilled shitposter.

>>52320559
As opposed to you not having to tactically think about the stats of my unit

>High initiative? Who cares? I hit first on the charge
>High toughness? Who cares? I'm strength D on the charge
>2+ armor? Who cares? I'm AP 1 on the charge

Maybe you should be the one who has to be careful about what you're deciding to attack.

>>52320525
Seriously why do you care about your endless gaunt swarm losing 2 or 3 guys because everyone agrees if your aren't getting immunity your getting a massive buff to resist battleshock losses while in Synapse. Likely you will have bugs that can summon more bugs. Oh no I'm going to be a beast of an army to beat but the one little rule keeps me in balance better than 7th edition Tau and Eldar. Oh God Forbid.

Seriously your just going back to pre sixth edition. Stop with the salt factory.

>>52320568
Your reaction is comically out of proportion.

>>52320557
I know your pain anon. I bout the old LoC, Rubrics, and Ahriman a month before the new ones came out.