Warhammer 40,000 General

Good ally take for Tau? I'd love to have some psyker capabilities, but I don't know what to take. Seer Council?

>>52248268
First for the Dark Eldar! Long live Commorragh!

FIRST FOR DA ORKZ

>>52248305
I'll submit myself to the nearest Haemonculus...no need to tell me...

>>52248268
>that fabulous Blood Angel

bless that art

>>52248303
Eldar is the easiest route. The downside is that most psyker buffs won't work without being battle brothers.

I'd almost suggest you go for Space Marines. They have a very wide array of powers to choose from, and it should be easy enough to keep them far enough away from the rest of your force one way or another.

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Played 1500 Space Marine vs Kriegers today. Lost pretty badly because this was his deployment zone, plus a deathstrike missile behind the structure. Funny game though, especially when I got into close combat with his infantry squads.

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>>52248305
>tfw Snikrot has compasses on his Teeth of Mork
Oh man, he's my favorite Blood Axe in the codex. I'm excited to start my Ork army once I figure out what I want and how to paint up Blood Axes.

Does anyone have any tips on how to paint them, and what's fluffy for them other than Kommandos and Stormboyz?

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10th for Cadia!

>>52248305
>>52248352
Whoops, didn't mean to link.

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>>52248343
Also had a 500 SM vs purestrain genestealers game in which I was wiped by turn 3.
This happened on turn two when he rolled a 6. 68 attacks total, 14 wounds dealt post armor saves and feel no pain rolls.

>>52248337
Yeah, I was just lamenting the inability to share buffs. Grey Knights?

If 40k is unbalanced and bloated, why do you still collect and play?

If your army isn't "competitive" right now why do you still play it?

>>52248352
tip from last thread if you start collecting them: look out for revell ork raider sets. deffkopta, boss, nobz and boyz for 35 bucks

>>52248303
>use eldars
>cheap farseer
>use as many scatbikes and wraithknights as you can along your riptides and stormsurge
>win

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>>52248305
Hurry up and feed yourselves to Ynnead! Its the only way to stop Slaanesh from eating you!

>>52248372
Probably better off with a standard Librarius council.

>>52248378
it looks cool

>>52248303
An alternative I saw is taking a few SoS for anti psyker abilities instead.

>>52248378
I like playing my faction more than I like winning. Im not a WAAC and genuinely enjoy playing the game.

>>52248357
CADIA IS DEAD. DEAD!

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CAN SOMEONE summarize Gathering Storm 2 please? thanks (to bored to read it (h8 eldar))

>>52248378
I love working on the models and I love the models, the fluff is whatever I want it to be and winning isnt all.

>>52248378
40k has always had horrible rules. But no other game has such a wonderful setting.

>>52248303
Your going to want ork weird boyz

>>52248465
The Eldar summon Ynnead who's supposed to kill Slaanesh, turns out Ynnead is Slaanesh and eats Eldrad + Biel Tan. Now some croneworld witch is running around cammoragh and the craftworlds recruiting people to feed it.

>>52248378
It's fun and every day I smile I contemplate killing myself a bit less that night

B8 harder faggot

>>52248357
Cadian dogtags should be round, like British ones.

>>52248527
Holy fuck no, that's completely wrong. And I think you know that.

>>52248527
>turns out Ynnead is Slaanesh and eats Eldrad + Biel Tan

Slaanesh ate Eldrad again? Seriously?

>>52248378
>getting into 40k for the rules

Look at him

Look at him and laugh

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How many techpreists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

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>>52248378
I like modelling and painting them because it gives me a false sense that I've achieved something.

I like looking at the little plastic men and imagining stories about them as I roll dice.

>>52248465
Eldrad's gambit to awaken Ynead didn't fail in the Deathwatch Codex, but instead was somewhat successful.

Mary Sue Eldar bitch levels up in a Dark Eldar Gladiator fight, causing Commoragh to get swarmed in now-freed tyranids and daemonic invasion as the Gate of Khaine busts open from the Mary Sue connecting to the now-stirred Ynead. She goes on a journey to collect some swords of power to awaken Ynead fully, and draws Chaos (who knew of this disturbance) towards Biel-Tan. The craftworld gets fucked and bans her from setting foot there, while some Biel-Tan people join her. They go on a magical journey through the webway, blue-ball Ahriman, and show up on that ice world on the outskirts of the Cadian system in order to help out Cawl and the Gang.

All because of psychic visions of the future and destiny and shit.

>>52248527

kek

I hope that actually happens. "HAHA TURNS OUT THEY WERE ALL JUST POSSESSED BY SLAANESH, EAT A DICK SPACE ELVES"

>>52248378
Despite 40k always having crappy rules the game itself is still fun and enjoyable which is why people like playing it but most realize its not that great.

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>>52248584
Such menial tasks are below the Omnissiah's priesthood, that's what servitors are for.

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>>52248465
In the most elite Dark Eldar arena, Lilith Hesparex, a succubus named Yvraine, and some other people are fighting for the crowd's amusement. During the climax of the fight when a horde of captured tyranids are release, Lilith stabs Yvraine in the heart, and Yvraine is then killed by another witch in the arena. At the exact moment of her death, however, she's resurrected because that was the moment Eldrad's attempt at awakening Ynnead failed. Her ressurection causes a bunch of shit to happen though, the tyranids start to run rampant and the Khaine's Gate is breached, leading to a demonic invasion of Commoragh. In the confusion everyone tries to start killing Yvraine, including Vect's cabal. She decides to escape using her old Corsair allies, and during her run to their vessel she meets up with the Visarch and his Incubi. She, a contingent of her wychs, the Visarch, his Incubi, and some surviving corsairs are able to escape into the webway, where they encouter Slaaneshi daemons. Harlequin save them from being slaughtered and guide them towards Biel-tan.

>>52248588
>collect some swords of power to awaken Ynead fully,

It is important to note that she did not actually awaken it fully. It's a fragment of Ynnead that is awake, much like Khaine is but a fragment of actual Khaine.

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>>52248623
>that image
>mfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQLsb7Zm_MI

>>52248614
Its stats are the exact same as a keeper of secrets, of course its Slaanesh, or some aspect of Slaanesh. How many warp entities do you know that hunger for eldar soulls?

Also looks like Fulgrims coming back to finish what he started with Girlyman. 8th edition isn't gonna be Age of the Emperor, its gonna be Age of Slaanesh.

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Trying to put together another Castellans Black Templar list over here.

I was wondering if taking a Techmarine and a Rad Grenade Inquisitor might be a good idea.
A Chaplain or Priest seem kind of obsolete, since I always felt that the Hatred half of Zealot was the most important one anyway and stuffing a Techy with Harness into my main LRC doesn't seem like a terrible idea, considering how bad an unfixable Grav-hit usually is for them. The Harness is also a decent weapon, even if it costs like a Fist.

Thoughts?
My main issue is getting the core down to actually make use of my Land Raiders and large troop blobs.

What is the likelihood of there ever being a tv series based off of 40k? would gw consider this?

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>>52248425
BUT THE GUARD IS FOREVER!!!

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>>52248584
>>52248623
You two faggots have been posting the same dirty tech preistess picture for months in reply to eachother, just fuck already

>>52248584
>[...]She unfolded it and then leaned in toward the receiver. “How many Techpriests does it take to install a lumen orb?”

>“Installation of a single lumen unit would require a negligible level of physical and intellectual resources from any given member of the Cult Mechanicus,” interjected a Dark Techpriest seated to the left of the stage. “I calculate that it would require no more than 0.12 of a Dark Techpriest. However, the obviously impractical nature of requisitioning a fraction of an individual for a single, discrete task necessitates rounding up to a whole digit. As such, the only logical answer is one.”

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Ok, seriously, what's the story with this cunt's giant sword?

Fuck GW for blue-balling me further with fucking GS3. What's so bad about the sword that it can't be allowed into the Golden Throneroom?

>>52248682
What would it even be about?

I'd watch a show of an Inquisitor investigating Genestealer Cults and Heretics and Xeno-tech Smugglers and trying to get his planet back into order again.

>>52248722
Switch it to chaos cults and youve got a deal, we want antagonists that actually have flavor, after all.

>>52248634
The thing I'm listed excited for with the release of DoW 3 is more macha fan art

>>52248268
should i have bases on my vehicles

i saw some dude do it and it looks so nice.

>>52248712
It's the Lion's.
That part wasn't even obfuscated, hell, they listed it on the community site.

>>52248712

Perpetual killer probably

>>52248712
No one can enter to the throne room unless it's allowed by the Emperor, the sword is allegedly the Lion's sword.

>>52248722
>>52248682

Personally I think a high school girl "slice of life" anime set in a hive city would be delightful. They'd do cute things every day and have interesting personalities. Then they'd be hacked into pieces by a Slaaneshi Marine in the last episode and turned into human-based cocaine. Awesome!

>>52248682
It'd be utterly, utterly shit.

I refer you to Spehs Muhreen, the only other time GW has attempted something in visual media.

>>52248743
Oh, of course a Chaos Lord on the rise would be the main antagonist. Genestealer Cults could make for mid-season villains.

>>52248769
You should watch the anime, Speedgrapher.

>>52248634
Meanwhile Biel-tan mobolizes for war as the seers determine that the Slaanesh Masque is going to attempt to invade the craftworld using a big-ass portal on a Maiden World. With Skarbrand's help she is successful in gaining access to the craftworld and she is even able to infect the craftworld's Infinity Circuit when Yvraine and her train arrive at the craftworld turning to shit. Speaking to the gathered seers, exarches and autarches Yvraine claims she is able to bring Ynead to life, but to do so would kill the craftworld. This nearly gets her and her entourage killed but Jain-Zair and the Visarch step in to protect her. By damaging the wraithbone core of the Infinity Circuit, Yvraine brings the Yncarne to life. Some think it's a Slaaneshi demon and some think it's the real deal but in the confusing they don't murder Yvraine. As a large group of believers rally to Yvraine, Ulthan and Ulthwe farseers open a portal to Biel Tan and usher them through

>>52248393
Thanks for the advice!

What Start boxes have the best value and which are the OP sets?
I can't really tell looking at them

>>52248783
>Spehs Muhreen
Do you mean Space Marine, the game? That was arguably one of the better things GW ever sanctioned. Dawn of War were also excellent games, albeit the story was all over the place and more amusing than deep.
Or do you mean Ultramarines, the movie?

>>52248712
It used to belong to a (((((loyalist))))) primarch

>>52248807
the space wolf, tau and skitaarii boxes give you the best models.

everything else gives you trash.

>>52248722
why not base it off of something that is already somewhat popular generally well received, like gaunt's ghosts or eisenhorn or other good books like that

>>52248807
Skitarii saves you almost 55$. Nurgle is also around that point. Just google "Start Collecting boxes savings" and you'll find a full list.

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>>52248755
Well yeah, it's fuckheug and has Dark Angle insignia on it. But why wouldn't the Lion's sword be allowed near the Emprah?

>>52248764
That was my guess but then why can the Lion's sword kill Perpetuals? It was forged in the Emperor's own armory, doesn't seem like a sensible thing to make and then hand out.

>>52248768
Cypher was about to enter the Throne room, but then Girlyman stops him and has him thrown in the Custode's inescapable prison because he recognises the sword and won't allow it near his father.

>>52248824
>>52248807
the eldar box is good too. forgot about that one.

>>52248815
the movie.

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senpai, i need input.

based entirely on looks, which should i go with?

going to get two each of whichever i pick but honestly, i can't decide

>>52248838
Everything you need to start your own scatbike force!

>>52248343
>that aegis wall placement

you let him run illegal fortification setups?

>>52248834
Because the Lion was a dirty heretical traitor and his sword is probably possessed by a greater daemon and not any better than Abbaddon's sword.

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>>52248802
Ulthwe's seer council demands that the group assembled stay until they decide what to do with them, but during their debate a bunch of Eldar from Altansar show up, including a warlock with the Gryinx, who kills herself to Yvraine can eat her soul and take her cat in order to guide her to her destination on a Crone World. Yvraine's entourage now includes Altansar Eldar and Ulthwe Eldar and is a pretty damn big army now.
Going to the Crone World in order to discover the third of the Crone Swords she needs to max out Ynead's power, Yvraine and her group are attacked by Homunculus forces, who are defeated after they learn the Yncarne can perma-death them and their clone bodies at once, but then the group is attackd by a massive Slaanesh army.

>>52248834
Everything from Caliban is tainted by chaos

>>52248862
>Flying Dreadnought Brick
>Almost an actual plane

I'd go for the left myself, but I'd say the right is better overall.

>>52248862
get two thunderbolts instead

>>52248465

Eldrad's ritual fails at the same moment Yvraine dies in a gladiator fight, comes back from the dead as a prophet of the Eldar God of death. Demons invade Cormorragh, but that's just Tuesday for the deldar. She's joined by this possibly undead guy called the visarch and tries to escape to the web way. Several demonic incursions later she gets to bel-tian.

Bel-Tian finds out she's coming, gets invaded by demons, tHey start eating the infinity circuit, Yivraine purges them and goes on a quest for some old Eldar swords to empower her God.

Eldrad gets locked up for Eldar heresy by the Eldar inquisition after he does something to bring the death God and his avatar to ulthuan. They go into the eye of terror to look for more swords. Haemonculi and demons get owned.

Finally they go to Iyanden, it's invaded by demons, they kill prince yriel but nurgle's a swell guy so he is resurrected by his spear which is the last sword.

They travel to some ice moon in Cadia, Ahriman hears death God and wants his ruberics resurrected so tries and fails at coercing the ynnead. Everyone meets at ice moon and decides to go to ultramar.

Now there's a suicide death cult of Eldar running around trying to death level their God. And Lilith left vect, commerragh is going to have another war between malus and vect the rest of the Eldar don't know if Yivraine is an Eldar arch-heretic committing Eldar heresy or not.

>>52248862
Left

>>52248824
The Tau one seems bad though?
>>52248828
>>52248838
Thanks, yeah the Eldar ones seems WAACist of them all

>>52248900
i already have 1, this purchase would be specifically for my SM armies however.

>>52248898
i know what you mean but something in me loves the flying dread brick

>>52248712
>What's so bad about the sword that it can't be allowed into the Golden Throneroom?
>why can't I bring the 40k equivalent of a tactical nuclear weapon into the golden throne's room?

>>52248939
>I already have 1
yeah but you could have a proper wing of three

>>52248923
the tau one is decent for a starting force, you save a fair bit of money with it and you can run it as a farsight list out the box as well. the price of the crisis suits and the ethereal separately is more than the box itself already, so there is some saving

>>52248939
Yeah. The only reason I want a flying dread brick is as a way to run a Dreadnought in a space marine army that prefers going fast, like white scars.

>>52248588
>>52248634
>>52248906

wow, thanks for the cliff notes guys. imma start gathering storm 3 (just came in the mail today)

>>52248862
LEft by far, the right one looks like a potato.

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>>52248889
During the fight the Yncarne is killed and is reborn by claiming the third Crone Sword, and the group is then saved by Iyanden Wraithknights, who take the group to Iyanden which is being attacked by a Nurgle-Infested Plague Hulk. During the fight Prince Yriel boards the Space Hulk and kills the Demon Prince controlling it, but is then in turn killed when he gets hit by an Iron Girder (yes that actually happens. It's as sudden as that sentence makes it). His body is recovered and brought back to life because the Spear of Twilight is the fourth Crone Sword. After that Yvraine uses her death-powers to help awaken a fuck-ton of wraith constructs that then follow her into the webway with her really-goddamn big army

>>52248961
true, but i can get these cheaper than two more bolts

>>52248982
In the webway they encounter Ahriman who tries to kill them and fails, but also the Pheonix Lords come out to lend their support, and the group moves onto the world of Klasius where they rendezvous with the Imperial Remnants of the Fall of Cadia as per the first Gathering Storm book, and the book ends with them striking an alliance with them to move onto Ultramar

>>52249024
And I'm pretty sure the 5th Crone Sword is the Dawn Blade

>>52248862
FW flier isn't just overpriced but it's a terrible option.

>>52249089
as i mentioned, it's based on looks alone

>>52248943
>the 40k equivalent of a tactical nuclear weapon

Do you know something about the Lion sword we don't?

>>52249062
As much as I would like that, I'm leaning more towards it being a Necron artifact based on the appearance alone.

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>>52249155
It's GW. You know damn well that they'd be up for such bullshit.

>>52249155
maybe, but the model was made before the story was concocted so it would just get retconned to be Eldar. It seems like a good candidate though

>>52249101
Still, GW way above.

>>52249062
they mention where the 5th is in the book

>>52248862
>>52248917
>>52248981

Either you're all blind faggots or just trolls. Neither option is surprising since you idiots think plastic detail is as sharp as resin.

>>52249107
The Lion's sword comes from a fallen Calibanite house that become corrupted after several hunts, it's said that the sword drinked the monsters souls making it part of the sword's might and the responsible of the house corruption.

>>52248943
Pretty sure the 40k equivalent of a tactical nuclear weapon is a tactical nuclear weapon, since those exist and are quite often used in the 40k universe.

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Reminder: Eldar are the most powerful race in the galaxy.

>>52249318
But they have to die before they can become strong

>>52249318

I want to lick her armpits

>>52249318
>Eldar were the most powerful race in the galaxy

FTFY. Eldar are a fragment of what they once were, and while they're extremely advanced, they are so fractured and so sparsely-flung across the galaxy that they no longer dominate the galaxy as they once could. Now, they are reduced to attempting to influence the Imperium into doing what they want, which is a spotty plan at best when it comes to species survival.

>>52249215
i'm honestly asking for opinions as i like the style of both and trying to be convinced one way or the other as which might be just a little "cooler" than the other. tone down the autism

>>52249318
Nice dude.

>>52248862
Left fits the 40k aesthetic more. Right is too aerodynamic and feeble for a 40k Marine vehicle.

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>>52249318
Once

>>52249399
right is a hh flyer which is why it's more realistic I guess

I think the Deffkopta model is ugly as shit, so I'm going to do a looted conversion of something and have it count as a Deffkopta. What's a good choice? Stormhawk Interceptor?

>>52249416
Piranha or a Land Speeder match the size better

>>52249380

Takes a special kind of dipshit to drop the autism card at the drop of a hat, especially in 40kshiteral of all places.

Could I have an allied detachment of greyfax + 5 Sisters of silence?

>>52248378
Because I don't play with randos, so the lack of balance isn't as evident.

>>52249416
Be a funny guy, buy an Onager Dunecrawler, turn it upside-down and convert it into a helicopter that way.

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>>52249318
>This is what xenos actually believe

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Anyone play any games today? Got two in as I said earlier and might batrep in a bit too. What are you anons up to?

>>52249439
Not until we get official rules allowing it. You could however have Greyfax in an Inquisitorial Representative formation and the Sisters in their formation.

>>52249439
Sisters can so far only be fielded as a formation so you need a CAD for Greyfax and then the formation to the side of that. Greyfax can be taken as any HQ of an Imperial army though

>>52249462
did you use his spin to win move in that pic? I hope you did

>>52249462
That Guilliman is so fucking blue that I still can't believe it's not shooped to be that blue.

>>52249448
kek

I might actually do this.

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>>52249462
This was my dead pile at the end of my game. Maybe 5 models left on the board at the end of the game.

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Why didn't Cypher sneak into the throne room if he can escape a prison that nobody has ever escaped?

CAN 40K STILL PLAY 1000-1500 POINT GAMES OR IS IT TOO FUCKED IN THE CURRENT STATE?

>>52249538
You can play games of many sizes

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>>52249318
>Reminder: Eldar were the most powerful race in the galaxy.

ftfy

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>>52249437
Anon your autism is showing, pull your pants up

>>52249536
Custodes, Imperial Fists and a titan legion stop him before he gets anywhere close to the throne room.

>>52249462
I was supposed to go 4 different times this week, but I kept getting blind sided by various things. This happens every week and it's infuriating. I want to play 1-2 times a week.

>>52249336
Concentration camps then?

I played my first tournament and got butt fucked hard. Those eldar have some whacky units.

>>52249476
I was the Guard player. And he conceded because Guilliman was the only thing left and I was just charging him for the lulz.

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>only store is a FLGS
>too small for pick-up games
>tourneys are only 850 points because the store can't fit longer rounds in its opening times
>don't know any of the dudes good enough to have their contacts and meet for private games
>tourneys normally only once per month
>FLGS has no room for any in April because of card games
>FLGS owner's buddy organizing the tourneys said there might not be any the month 8E hits
>personal friends are only now just starting, don't even have a single full unit assembled yet and only have around 500 points and 900 points each yet

How the fuck do I go about actually asking the dudes at the store about playing outside of the tourneys there? I got along very well with all of them for the time I've been there so far but have no idea how to not sound like a creepy idiot when going about asking that.

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what should my hq pick for my carcharadons list be? im thinking chaplain in terminator armor

>>52249605
Typhus or bust

>>52249336
if you kill the eldar, they win

>>52249595
If the store has a Facebook page or public forum use that you dip
If not, try actually talking to people

>>52249614
>Typhus
what?

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>>52249614
>Carcharodons
>Typhus

You mean Tyberos?

>>52249638
Tyberos the Red Wake, sorry. Autocorrect

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>>52249615
Wasn't expecting to see a Trudeau joke around here, well done

>>52249649
oh shit i didnt even know he had a figure
thanks man

>>52249594
but i thot Guilliman was an auto-victory??

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Thoughts about this? It's probably terrible, I just tried to make an army out of all the imperial models I've bought mainly to build/paint. So mainly this is an army of things I like the look of, not really metagamed at all. The only one I don't have (SoS are pre-ordered) is the librarian, needed him as an HQ for the drop pod squad in order to field them as allied.

Also, is it possible to field cawl, cel, or greyfax individually? I've got them grouped up because it didn't seem like I could remove them from the triumvirate legally. Basically I'm asking if I can use one of them as an HQ instead of the librarian but still field the other two independently (they wouldn't be HQ because of the firespear strike force)

>>52249635
The most there is is a "Magic and Tabletop" group in the area where I'm already friends with a bunch of people and already asked around how the 40k scene looks in the memberbase on their facebook, with no reactions. There's also the organizer's e-mail but asking there would just be silly.

I would gladly talk to the guys about it if I knew how to actually approach them on that. It's not like I'm a complete anti-social wrack, I get along with all of them and we chat and banter during and between games whenever there is a tournament. It's just that I have no fucking clue how to ask someone "Yo, how about I come over to your place to play a bit of Warhammer" without it sounding like I want to bone them.

Being the youngest one in the store with a ~8 year gap at 21 doesn't help with that situation either.

I have the same issue when it comes to asking out girls I get along perfectly well.

>>52249543

(You) are Rogal Dorn.

>>52249750

I know exactly how you feel with the asking people part. I'm lucky enough to have a good GW right down the road where I can pick up games, but I'd love to actually have a friend-friend to play and talk 40k with. But I only know how to respond to socialization, not initiate, and so far no one has initiated a "let's be 40k friends!"

No advice here, sorry, but some sympathy for what its worth.

>>52249416
The plastic one looks great and has a TL Rokkit Launcha. Only problem is finding them.

>>52249399
probably the best point i've heard. thanks man

>>52248343
was this in austin?

>>52249838
no

>>52249024
wow... 40k fluff writters have gone to shit havent they?

>>52248371
Genestealer cults look really unfun to play against.

Why is no one talking about the new armies? I expected the front page to be full of Custodes/Sisters of Silence stuff, but so far I haven't heard anything from anyone but GW about it.

>>52249605
>"characharodons"
pedantic cuck.

Could someone clarify the new Admech "Conclave Acquisitorius" formation to me?

there's the part that reads "Special Rule: Canticles of the Omnissiah". does this mean the whole formation have it?

>>52249867
Because they're not full armies, just a couple new units, and not great ones at that

wait till they announce sob this summer,
then the threads will explode

>>52249867
Because we've had rules and models for them both for a while, and they're even less of a full army than Scions is.

>>52249867
Because they're not actually armies in 40k. In 30k everyone was talking about them and how ridiculous they are. Being viable Grey Knights, essentially.

>>52249864
They're fine, you just have to be a little careful.
That squad was fresh but next turn I killed eleven of the genestealers with my plasma cannon squad

>>52249867
We'd talk about it if we already had the full rules.

Even when the Tartaros rules were first posted on BoLS it took several hours for an anon me to post them and even get people to talk about those. /40kg/ doesn't really start discussion about things like that unless someone sparks up a topic.

>>52249910
I'm sad that there's no Tartaros character option, nor is there a Chaos tartaros option?

>>52249882

I have a carefully crafted and expanding backstory for my army that I update to include every battle I fight. I imagine that, for about 5 straight months, I'm going to have to figure out some convoluted way to explain why my Ad Mech soldiers are fighting literally no one but SoB.

>>52249929
Doesn't seem like it for either. Pretty annoying, since my Tartaros box even came with the Thousand Sons transfer sheet from the boxed game.

>>52249930
Could be tough. Pretty unlikely for sisters to go traitor. Imperial wargames maybe?

how do you reconcile your units dying with your story continuity?

>>52248834
>Cypher was about to enter the Throne room, but then Girlyman stops him and has him thrown in the Custode's inescapable prison because he recognises the sword and won't allow it near his father.
Let's not forget Girlingman broke that sword during the heresy for some reason. During Curze's trial, Lion goes to kill Curze, stops when Sangy tells him too, Bobby takes his sword and breaks it over his knee, and then Lion is banished. According to the wiki. I don't read Black Library.

If I prime a bunch of Dark Vengeance squads black, paint a little red and silver on them, and field them as a Fallen themed army with Astartes chapter tactics, will anyone give me weird looks?

Because the Fallen paint scheme is quite possibly the easiest and laziest paint scheme next to Iron Hands and metallic colors.

>>52249930
They DO canonically hate eachother, and AdMech send Skitarii like Inquisitors send acolytes.

To remove everything they don't like.

>>52249930
Religious disagreements. Sisters think Ad Mech are doing heretical non-god emperor approved stuff, Ad Mech think sisters are standing in the way of the Omnissiah's will

>>52249930
>>52250021

Canonically, AdMech has to tell the Ecclesiarchy to fuck off from time to time.

>>52250052
Canonically just about everyone has to tell the Ecclesiarchy to fuck off from time to time.

>>52249962

My AdMech soldiers are rebels fighting for a schismatic despot at the edge of Segmentum Obscurus. I figured it was easier to make my troops the "bad guys" then try to work around others' troops and stories, etc. I'm not worried about explaining fighting the sisters, just the fact that I expect not to fight anything else since everyone'll be playing sisters like they haven't been viable in years or something.

I keep my Forge Worlds heavily populated so my units that die can be "replaced" with "new draftees."

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>>52248268
Good kill team?

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AHHHHHHH GW JUST RELEASE THE SISTERS ALREADY ITS BEEN LIKE 10 YEARS I'M TIRED OF WAITINGGGGGGGG

>>52250135
no kill team is perfect, kill team is like expanded rock/paper/scissors
small elite teams beat medium teams
medium teams beat hordes
hordes beat small elite teams
vehicle lists fuck people (looking at lists with 3 piranhas since that front av11 is fucking aids for most armies since people don't bring too much anti-armour.

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Want to get into the game and I like admech the most, have been advised that starting with a 500 point army is a good way to go, so pic related. Does it seem OK? It's just the start collecting box + destroyers.

It's either this or go SM which I don't really wanna do since they're so popular and I'm an insufferable hipster.

>>52250224
Seems like it could be alright. The only thing I would say is that you may need to double-check how Ad Mech detatchments/formations work. They aren't really one army, so mixing them together is tricky.

>>52250224
It's a decent start, but I'd maybe consider picking upbanother SC box instead. Getting 2 Skitarii units instead of 3 Destroyers is a good trade-off, especially since you'll also be able to use the Dominus Maniple that way.

>>52250224
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1850 tournament coming up at my local GW and I'm planning on running this, any tips?

Using Salamanders as my chapter.

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>>52250266

Yeah I'm still reading up on the rules and definitely won't be buying anything until I'm sure of it all. I realise that admech isn't the most beginner friendly route to take but the flavour and aesthetic are too cool.

>mfw learning how the fuck to play this game

>>52250273

I'm certain that I'd end up buying 2 SC boxes anyway and just selling the 2nd tech priest so that might not be a bad idea.

>War convocation

I absolutely want a Knight Crusader in the long term, so badass looking at adds a nice sense of scale.

>>52250363
don't ever take storm bolters on your sternguard

>>52250365
Keep the second Dominus around. You might at some point want to use a Dominus Maniple with some Cult Mech or a Cult Mech detachment alongsode a Holy Requisitioner or Cohort Cybernetica.

Alternatively, sell it and then buy a cheaper one off eBay.

>>52248673
Anyone? I know that Black Templar players are probably considered pretty annoying at this point but I really want to actually find a decent way to play these guys the way they're meant to be played.

>>52250363
>>52250375
To clarify they don't get their special sternguard ammo with storm bolters.

>>52250459
fellow fluffy templar player here, seems like a pretty good list, although at smaller point limits you might want to stick to, say, 8 man crusader squads. the massive blobs are for higher point limits

>>52250490
so basically split those guys up into two squads

Are Custodian Guards worth bringing in a 2000 point Space Wolves/Skitarii army? I like the look of them but they're so damn expensive. I've also heard SoS and them are pretty mediocre for their point costs.

>>52250490
>>52250501
Yeah, I'd obviously not even consider running such a giant point sink in anything below 1500 or 1850 even. Figuring out how to field a Land Raider under 1000 is a whole different adventure that I'll need to do extensive playtesting for.

Was considering maybe running 1 full Land Raider like that alongside a Las/Plas Crusader squad or two, a Drop Pod 5/5 Crusader squad with Melta and Combi-Melta to maybe dent a vehicle (possibly even with a Fist and Melta Bombs to go into melee with it the next turn) and another either 5 man or 5/5 squad in a Rhino or Razorback to drive around capping, though I suppose using a tactical squad for that would make more sense due to combat squad.

>>52249894
They aren't that bad. The shield captain can get obnoxious pretty quick however.

>>52250460
But you still get cucked by the bull even when your wife takes black dick.

>>52248684

But, the guard broke morale at several points during that battle.

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>>52249894
>Being viable Grey Knights, essentially.

>>52248465

>People actually spoonfeeding this retard.

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>>52250659

>>52248673
it is worth noting that the Inquisitor cannot join the crusader squad inside the landraider at deployment, as he is part of a different faction. He can jump in turn 1 though, so just make sure he's sitting behind it and doesn't get killed.

>>52250721
The Henchmen are his faction, dumb dumb.

>>52250700

Most of /tg/ are spoonfed retards who don't play the game, which is how

>And then Belisaurius Cawl accidentally the Cadia

for 6 weeks

Any news on when IA14 is coming out?

>>52250740
After Angelus, so sometime next year.

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>>52250733
>year of Our Lord 2017
>playing Warhammer 40k

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>>52250689
BLOODIED BUT UNBOWED!!!

>>52249963
Yeah thats what happened. He told one of his goons to "take care" of the broken sword afterwards. The marine he handed it too took that as "fix it", not "throw this out for me I'm busy being mopey". Then got pissed later when he saw the Marine with the sword, before deciding he didnt really care and just let him keep it.

>>52250729
I'm confused.... The inquisitor is part of the Inquisition faction, and the crusaders are part of the Space Marines faction. They are battle brothers under the alliance chart, but they are not of the same faction.

>>52250840
Herp derp, for some reason I thought those were henchmen.

I'm having a laugh imagining the Inquisitor trying to get in the car but the marines won't let him

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>>52250754
>After Angelus

>>52250689
Shit lists. They didn't bring Commissars or Priests.

>weapon DMG values and save modifiers confirmed in Armageddon.

I want to play a double star daemons army not only for the theme but because I'm really a fan of the deathstar composition. I've never played before but I've been painting/converting/sculpting for a long time. Due to the stigma of playing against daemons will I even expect to find games without forcing my opponent in a tournament scene where I'd surely get stomped because experience>army comp

>>52250689
And yet, in the final moments, the 8th still stood, fighting against the closing dark as the planet crumbled. Squads broke and regiments collapsed, but the Guard (capital G) remained standing through the bitter end.

>>52250903
>mfw 8th ed is just a revised 2nd ed

I'd play the shit out of that.

>>52250363
You really, really need a Libby.

>>52250919
WE MUST GO BACK TO A SIMPLER TIME

>>52250924
ONE ARMY ONE CODEX

>>52250957
MOVEMENT VALUES FOR EVERY UNIT

>>52250733

Or how people spread misinformation about Shadowsun beating Khan and Shrike based on the cover of a book they never read. Also, people insisting she killed the RG chapter master in CC, because some guy in the general said so.

>>52248378
I'm not determined to win at all costs at a fucking tabletop game, so that's why I still play it.

If you are one of those fucking sore bitches, go play x-wing. You don't have to paint your models with x-wing, you don't have to shell out copious amounts of money for your models, and there is a meta, so you fucking automatons can have your fagfest there instead of here.

>>52250967
ROLL FOR EVERY MOVE DISTANCE... wait

>>52250721
Well shit, forgot that GW are cockblocks like that.

Though I suppose walling him in with Rhinos and a Land Raider would be a viable option.

Any ideas for alternative uses for an Inquisitor that doesn't involve driving in one of my transports or an alternative cheap HQ I could use that would be effective?
Only other option that comes to mind would be an Enginseer to run after a Rhino or something. With the Imperium had an effective long-range support HQ to use in that detachment. Coteaz seems like the only other viable option to have that wouldn't require him to be up-close to do his job.

That or just taking another SM HQ, dropping one Crusader squad and replacing them with a Melta or Volley Gun Scion squad.

How do you best use a single riptide in an army?
So no wing shenanigans

>>52250754
>next year
Are you fucking serious wheres the source for that?

>>52248819
You mispelled "loyalest"

>>52251052
They didn't talk about it at all during the weekender. They talked about how they were all working on Angelus. Angelus is coming out late this year. No actual date for Fires however.

>>52251068
Isnt weekender for horus heresy only anyway? Maybe theyll mention it in another convention

>>52250740
A long fucking time

It's been delayed indefinitely because the game is about to change massively

>>52251068
With how much they're delaying that book and pushing it back they either must not have worked on it for months or there must be some amazing new shit in it that needs super intricate and difficult balancing.

>>52250977

>Be Raven Guard
>get shot

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>>52251087
Hopefully. Don't remember anything about Fires at the event before that, but I'll take a look.

>>52251091
I think they are having a hard time balancing Sanguinius due to how hardcore a motherfucker he is.

>>52249605

Tyberos is by far the best option. I'm a fan of sometimes running a jump pack/teeth of terra/lightning claw/artificer armor guy instead, but that's actually more expensive for basically a unit less effective against most non-GEQ targets (although more mobile) and which doesn't boost your Chapter Tactics.

Also Tyberos lets you take Assault Termis as troops (only 1 unit, must have LCs, no SS/TH) which can be lulzy as either an Obsec Marine-mulching deepstriking "fuck you" or for an Obsec Land Raider

>>52251112
I actually meant that there must be something in Fires that would need a lot of testing. The things they should add all seem like pretty simple balancings.

Come to think of it, they might've just decided to wait for 8th for its release. Things are pointing towards AdMech being unified and designing the book split between Skitarii and CultMech, just for the both to be combined 3 months later, would be silly.

What's the origin of gets hot? Shouldn't the reason that plasma stuff is better than the normal equipment because you have to spend points on it? I was just musing so this might all actually sound idiotic to a more experienced player but you are already paying points to replace a model's normal weapon with something better right? Does the gets hot make it so it's not as expensive as it could be or because the gun would be too strong otherwise? I am new and have never actually played a game with a gets hot weapon in it so as I said this might be rather stupid.

Okay so I see a bunch of off-topic shit here so I thought I'd post. I've been into 40k since I was given an Uplifting Primer when I was 14 (19 now) and have kept up reading ever since. I finally decided to get into tabletop recently, however.

So I, being a hipster asshole, chose Dark Eldar. Im now waiting on my latest purchases to get here, and my army is as such:

Archon w Blaster, Haywire grenades

9x Kabalites in a raider with DL and splinter racks
kabalites in venom with splinter cannons
and another 5 kabalites in a venom with splinter cannon
3 reavers with heat lance

So with this I'm exactly 500 points. Where should I go from here to expand later on? And what could I do better?

Also, I've been offered a Tantalus, never been removed from the box, for $50 CAD. Is it worth picking up for later?

>>52251163
There's nothing in the 30k mechanicum list that would get people pissy in 40k. Most of the 40k stuff can do it better.

Scoria is hilarious, but I doubt he would make the jump into 40k.

>>52250170
> Medium teams beat hordes
Ehh, not necessarily. I had a 10-man kill team with 5 scouts and 5 sternguard vets go up once against a Renegades and Heretics list of 60 cultists. Said faggot was sweeping an entire tournament, and I was the only one to come even close to beating him, by killing 45 of his cultists..

Horde armies beat everything except in Heralds of Ruin, where it's straight up impossible since HOR has an absolute model limit of only 24 dudes unless you're playing GROTS.

My 'medium' team is also explicitly designed from the ground up to mercilessly shred small elite teams to pieces. Terminator lists are kinda shit in kill teams because they're too easily picked apart, and they're vulnerable as fuck to rout tests.

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>>52250689
You take that back.

>>52251183
I would've mostly considered the transports as needing some adjustments, as they do seem a bit undercosted for what they bring.

As I said, none of it would be a huge deal to balance and shouldn't take longer than a week for everything if the team actually worked on it.

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Ork release when

>>52251194
I wouldn't exactly classify a squad of cheap troops and a squad of elites as a 'medium' list.

>>52251166
plasma is incredibly overcosted for the exact reasons you stated

AP2 shooting used to be a LOT harder to come by, hence the high cost of plasma

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>Orks pay the same price for shooting weapons as other races

>>52251200
I guess. I find less use for them in 30k because of the lack of units that can actually fit in them. Perhaps Skitarii could get more use out of them.

>Tyranid fans say that Tyranids seek and eat metals and non-organic materials
>various sources say that Necrons and inorganic lifeforms will all that remain after the Tyranids are done with the galaxy

justify this.

I thought they said they were announcing something huge for 40k this week

>>52249878
yes

>>52251306
That new Necromunda-like game Armageddon.

That was all.
The bigger announcement were dorfs in AoS and even that wasn't a huge deal.

>>52250864
>but the marines won't let him
Remember what you did to the Lions? You can walk, fuckwad.

>>52251238

Frankly, AP2 shooting should go back to being hard to come by in all codexes for the same reasons they nerfed power weapons. Plasma guns are S7 Ap2 gets hot. That's fine because we have all had models just kill themselves on the first shot. Stuff like Tau and Eldar plasma without gets hot, you know the S6 Ap2 shit should be S6 Ap3 and/or have a price hike.

The problem is that still won't be enough. Not really. I fucking hate that we're at a point where T4 2+/5++ is considered fragile

>>52251330
But its squats anon!! Th-They're back!!

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>tfw the Tau player complains because he can't get LoS to the majority of your deployment zone from his deployment zone

>>52251359
Even worse, T4 2+/3++ is even considered fragile by many because of the number of AP 2 that can be thrown at them and only having a single wound.

>>52251359
>>52251409

It's a space marine. Space Marines are fragile. It's T4 W1 how is it not going to be fragile? Especially when it cost THIRTY FIVE POINTS per wound.

>b-but it has 2+

AP1, AP2, D weapons

>b-but it has an invulnerable save

3++ or 5++. Space Marines and IG aren't known for their good saves, these invulns are no better in terms of wounds saved.

>>52251405
that looks like a 30k game, tho

>>52251269

Aren't plasma pistols 15 points? Because we pay 5 points for a plasma pistol that has Str 8 instead of Str 7.

I mean no-one ever takes them but still.

>>52251436

Wait, they're 10 points.

They're still not worth taking.

>>52251269

It's because orks are a melee race

>>52251177
>Also, I've been offered a Tantalus, never been removed from the box, for $50 CAD. Is it worth picking up for later?

Yes. But if you don't want it, sell it to me instead. 100% serious.

Also at 500 points that's not a bad list at all, but that Archon loadout is useless at low points values. When you get the box, build your 10th Kabalite Warrior with a Splinter Cannon, because eventually you won't want the Archon to be riding around in the Raider anymore (since he's totally useless in there). Then later on you can put him in a Blasterborn Raider squad.

PROTIP:
With 2 Kabalite sprue sets (for the 20 Warriors) you only get 2 Blasters. But you also get Blast Pistols and Shredders. Cut the tip off the Blast Pistol, stick it to the Shredder after cutting the tip off of that too, and congrats. You now have weapons for a Blasterborn squad, which you can build after. Then stick the Sybarite pole things to their backs if you want to identify them as elite guys.

At 1000 points you'll want to give your Archon a WWP so he can be useful to the Blasterborn-in-Raider squad. Consider that when you're modelling the Archon. Also I forget if the Archon sprue comes with a Blaster or not but either way by the time you get a 3rd sprue (to make Trueborn) you'll have enough Blasters.

>>52251430

THAT IS EXACTLY THE FUCKING PROBLEM

Ap 1, 2, and ESPECIALLY D should not be so prevalent that 2+ is considered fragile. A basic space Marine should feel hard as nails, and a terminator should feel even harder. Instead, the current state of the game makes them out to be made of paper.

>>52251430
Did you even read anything?
The complaint is that T4 2+/5++ should at least be able to take any hits and not be swatted off the board like flies. What you explained is exactly the thing that was pointed out as the issue.

>>52251430
>AP 2 weapons should be nerfed. They make units with 2+ saves seem frail
>Of course units with 2+ saves are frail! AP 2 weapons are great!

Real genius you are

>>52251448
>melee race
>2 melee weapon options

>>52251458
>>52251462
>let's change 99% of the game to accommodate this one model

Or...ORRR

You could change...?

>>52251430
i wonder how the game would be if everything was balanced against geq. a lot more s6 ap4 would be around

>>52251405
>tfw people use random pictures of good looking terrain to make shit up about your faction

>>52251405
That's from battlebunnies. No tau there.

best part of 30k

>>52251430
>. Space Marines and IG aren't known for their good saves
>Space marines...aren't known for their good saves
>Space marines aren't known for their good saves

This is the point we've reached ladies and gentlemen.

>>52251481
>tfw the Taufags are so stupid they out themselves on anonymous boards

>>52251491

Are you implying power armor is durable or are we still doing the repeating the whole obvious thing

Especially after you just whined about people doing it

Coincidentally Tyranids are stuck with 3+ saves everywhere

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Almost finished my vets, my first guard unit ever, they just need bases and two meltaguns guys. Anyone mind rating them?

APhammer>Termiehammer

>>52251477
Gee, I wonder how these things called editions work.
Boy, that sure is a mystery.
Quick, call Blue over, maybe he'll have a clue for us!

I'll just assume you're a blatant shitposter because I refuse to believe any human being capable of typing sentences on a computer is that idiotic.

>>52251451
Thanks a lot, that really helps.

Honestly, I don't really "get" most of the tabletop yet. I've read through the Codex and rules books quite a bit, though I suppose I'll need to play to actually play more. Thankfully I have some friends who are also starting, and another who gave me around 1000pts each of Necrons, Blood angels, and Tau from 5th ed so I can test my builds.

I do think ill grab that Tantalus, though.

At what point would I start looking at flyers? I may pick up a Voidraven based on the gorgeous model alone either way.

>>52251521
Terminators are bad even if the game didn't have any ap 2 weapons.

>>52251510

The whole theme of the Space Marine faction is durability. You have a whole army with 3+ saves, woah! They are SUPPOSED to be durable.

Now, they're very much not because Ap3/2 ignore cover is fucking rife right now, but they are meant to be durable. That's their thing.

>>52251510
He's implying power armor should be durable like it used to, you retard.

Hence the desire to see AP 2 shooting nerfed, so that marines don't die as casually as guardsmen to the average gun.

>>52251495
I ain't ashamed of playing Tau. Besides, my list prefers terrain.

>>52251477
Hats literally what they did in 6th edition when they changed power weapons. Did you know that all power weapons used to straight up ignore armor? They changed it because it was too easy for a random GEQ with a powersword to stab a terminator to death in melee.

Now, we have the exact same problem, but it's for shooting instead of melee.

>>52251015
retaliation cadre in a dawn blade contingent.
firebase support cadre
1 riptide team (1-3 riptides)
2 broadside teams (2 teams of 1-3 broadsides)
>>52251194
a medium team is over 10 models and contains a more balanced variation of units
also you still lost so my point stands (not trying to be a faggot, just that you did lose)
also a 60 model list is pretty high tier cancer for kill team, though I've never played kill team against r+h.

>>52251530

Space Marines have never been a durable army.

>>52251539
>Did you know that all power weapons used to straight up ignore armor?

They used to all be AP2. There's a difference. And they didn't change 99% of the game to buff Terminators with 6E's power weapon change. They changed one thing: power weapons.

Herp derp derp derp

The answer I was leading you to but you were too stupid to figure out was: "buff Terminators so you can make one easy change instead of revamping the whole fucking game because that isn't happening outside of Age of Emperor"

>>52251559

>Whole army has either 3+ or 2+ saves, the best armour saves in the game.
>They've never been durable Anon!

>>52251568
When no piece of body armor has a better save than 2+, how is there a difference between "ignores all armor" and "ignores all armor that isn't a 1+ save"?

Wow, things have changed if Marines are no longer considered durable.

Anyway, I'm making some Custodes cause they're shiny, new, and nice looking. Hopefully get to see the 40K 'codex' for them and the SoS soon.

Do we have any proper info on the sisters of silence """"codex"""" yet?

>>52251559
In early editions they were the most durable things out there. Everything had 3+ armor (terminators had 3+ on 2d6), they had toughness 4 when any toughness value higher wasn't common (couldn't get T 5 just for a bike), and there weren't a bunch of invuln saves and feel no pain being tossed around to make up for it.

Believe it or not, there was a time when 3+ armor meant something

By the throne I didnt think my little blurb about gets hot would cause an all out argument

>>52251616
Reminds me of 2 days ago when I posted my casual Templars list and a huge WAAC vs Fluff argument broke out.

/40kg/ is simple minded like that.

>>52251616

It's a legitimate concern. Under no circumstances should Marines and especially terminators be considered fragile, and yet that is the state of the game.

>>52251600
It's not that they're not durable, they are far more durable than plenty of armies basic troops, but it's how many armies can output enough firepower to offset their relatively durable statline and armor save.

>>52251616
it's late, we're bored, there's no one trolling or memeing, and there's nothing new to talk about

>>52251524
>At what point would I start looking at flyers? I may pick up a Voidraven based on the gorgeous model alone either way.

It's a great model. I'm planning to get one solely for display purposes. Flyer usage depends on your meta - I don't use any. Generally you wouldn't use more than 1 at 1000 points in a casual game, and even then my personal opinion is you should clear it with your opponents. At 1250 or 1500 points you should be fine to include 1 or 2 even in casual games.

Figuring out how DE works is hard because you tend to get destroyed by even basic infantry weapons, kek. I have found that using multiple small units and tables with a lot of terrain is basically your best bet. Units should be specialized rather than generalist. Read The Dark City's tactic forums for help. EG. Using Reavers to screen for other units is helpful for keeping some stuff alive.

Personally I think Dark Lances are a massive waste on Raiders because they're going to be jinking all the time anyway and basically never actually get to shoot. If they do get to shoot, the Disintegator is going to be better against the sort of targets the Warriors on board want to shoot, anyway. I've found that Nightshields are generally worth their points on Raiders, some others disagree though. Don't be afraid to proxy some stuff to test how it works. I always build my Reavers with Cluster Caltrops rather than a Heat Lance, but if I weren't doing CCs then I'd go with the Lance, it's definitely not a bad option. Keep in mind that most of your vehicles, and Reavers, will be jinking all the time (the alternative is "will be dying all the time" kek)

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>>52251647
Pretty much. The basic marine statline hasn't really changed. It's even better in some regards thanks to chapter tactics.

The difference is guns got better over the years. Better AP, more shots. Things like Lascannons and Heavy Bolters don't hold a candle compared to the new stuff.

Then to compensate, they made cover saves better and easier to get. Then all the fancy guns ignored cover. Then they made feel no pain easier to get. Then all the new guns were strength D. Then they made invuln saves easier to get. Now we have relics that just ignore invuln saves.

They're slowly burning through all the ways to make a model durable to make any new gun seem threatening.

>shoot a marine with a missle launcher, giant robot mounted cannon, tank shell, plasma ball, or other big/devastating weapon
>he dies
Wow omg so op pls Nerf my footsoldier should be able to eat an RPG.

I do agree for a terminator buff

>>52251695
Ah, that makes sense.

I'll keep looking at things, thanks for the help.

>>52251723
The trouble is that stuff is so easy to get now, the only thing that matters on infantry as far as defenses go is how cheap the wound stat is compared to its firepower.

>>52251701
>>52251647
Somehow I think it has less to do with their pure durability as it does their damage/tank ratio. Individual marines are not durable--units are, through ATSKNF + easy access ObSec.

Bolters are the "standard" weapon. So every coolguy with coolgun (tm) has to have something better than the standard. It's a Worf Effect. Unlike their tank, this does not scale with the unit. Bolters are still pretty shit with 5 dudes or 10 dudes.

It isn't so much that Marines can't hold the line. They do that exceptionally well. They just don't have time to do damage with their shitty guns, so it seems like they aren't tanky enough because they "didn't get the job done."

>>52251723
This >>52251751

Anti-marine weapons existing is fine. The problem is how easy it is to get them for low cost in a large volume.

Any AP 2 or better weapon with more than 2 shots is most likely undercosted or has a far longer range than should ever be reasonable.

>>52251761
aside from grav and melee, what makes marines viable
any armoured marine lists ever get played? their vehicles seem pretty cool.
>>52251798
ion accelerator is the biggy here:
S7 Ap2 heavy 3 72"
can be upgraded to S8/9 large blast with the measly trade off of either gets got or a failed nova charge which is usually rerolled due to formations/wargear

>>52251816
Marines get access to free transports and bikes, both of which are fantastic.

>>52251798
What's an example of a big anti marine weapon that is easily available for cheap?

I will concede ion accelerator and I want riptides to be the rare snowflakes they are in the fluff.


Also in all KY games these problems have been mitigated heavily by terrain

>>52249930
>SoB find a weapon/relic/STC/something and believe it should be handed over to the Inquisition
>AdM believe it belongs to the machine god

AdM always have a reason to confiscate technology, easy to find a reason for them to fight.

>>52251405
>tau
>muuhrines vs muuhrines and FW skitarii units
Anon pleas

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>>52251527
Should be Movie Marine termies stock.
>rerolling 2+ armor save
>2++ invulv save
>WS5, BS5, S6, T6, W3, I5, A3
>Stormbolter: 36" S6, AP4 Assault 8, Rending
>200 pts per model
I'd run one.

>>52251843
Tau Crisis Suits can each take two 24" S6 AP2 Rapid Fire guns. This is a troop choice with each model costing 52 points total.

>>52251953
Meant W2, but whatever.

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>>52248268
Will it work?

So according to Sangy's last vision which was revealed very recent novel that includes Gathering Storm lore it, Terra in the future will be besieged by the forces of Chaos and the Tyranids. A Golden Warrior wearing his face as a mask will be all that stands between them and the Emperor. The Golden Warrior will fall trying to buy time for the Emperor to awaken.

But lets ignore that bit and focus on the implication. This implies that Girlyman's Imperial resurgence ended in a failure. The forces of Chaos and the Tyranids smashed their way to Terra despite whatever plans and creations Girlyman pulled out of his blueberry butt.

How do you guys feel about this?

>>52251987
>biker grav spam
unoriginal out of 10

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>>52251997
not sure

>>52250018
They might but its perfectly fine. Even the chaos codex has fluff about recently fallen traitors defacing their imperial symbols and otherwise still having standard gear.

If you think people will be that retarded buy some combination of chaos backpacks, heads, shoulders,and weapons and use them on the DV marines.

>>52251997
Why the fuck does Sanguinius keep dying waiting on the Emperor?

>>52251269
Phoned in codex, made by idiots who cant math.

>>52251987
>biker spam in units of 5
>all grav
>no reliable way of dealing with vehicles

A guard player with 2 LRMBT's will wreck your shit.

>>52251997
Tyranids are garbage and chaos marines are only slightly better. How exactly are they supposed to lay siege the most heavily defended world in the Imperium?

I assume you are putting together some kind of Age of Sigmar bait

You know what might be cool? A reverse AoS setting where the Primarchs gather, the Emperor reawakens, chaos is BTFO back to the warp. Battles in the 42nd millennium would take place on daemon worlds, or on planets in unstable areas like the Eye of Terror. The majority of the galaxy would know peace at last.

>>52252064
>Tyranids are garbage and chaos marines are only slightly better. How exactly are they supposed to lay siege the most heavily defended world in the Imperium?

Your problem is being unable to discern the difference between lore and tabletop.

>>52251481
Every Tau player ive ever seen wants a open field shooting gallery and gets salty when you dont.

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>>52251997
>How do you guys feel about this?
same way I feel about all black library novels I have no interest in reading, much less purchasing

>>52252088
My FLGS tau weeb gets salty when my eradicator does nothing but pound his markerlight sources till there is none whilst my MBT pounds his suits. From 3+ cover of course....

>>52252064
>Tyranids are garbage

Leviathan is in Segmentum Solar heading towards Terra. The Imperium doesn't have the manpower to stop them.

>How exactly are they supposed to lay siege the most heavily defended world in the Imperium?


Abaddon through conventional warfare took out Cadia aka the second most defended planet in the Imperium. He accomplished this in a timeframe of under a month. That was then but now Abaddon has unshackled the Eye and it's growing towards Terra. Abaddon now has access to endless daemon reinforcements and the Traitor Primarchs direct involvement.

The Tyranids and the Eye of Terror will meet up in Terra.

So how exactly are you this bad at the lore? I mean fuck. The Orks in the Beast Waaagh! besieged Terra with a SINGLE attack moon. Humiliating, son. Screw this you need to get out.

>>52252078
Abaddon's black crusage failed yet again, and Tyranids haven't done anything important for years.

I am more perplexed why people keep following Abaddon, given his track record.

Why would Space Marines have fighter pilots? It doesn't really make sense given what we know about their role in warfare.

>>52252088
I actually prefer more terrain, how else am I supposed to hide stealth suits and deep strike my S10 ap1 railgun behind your shit with no scatter?

>>52251530

>That's their thing.

No, that's Necron's thing. Marine's thing is jack of all trades master of none. If marine players consider a t4, 2+, 5++ then they can fuck off. It's more durable than most armies HQs. Terminators do not need any more durability, they need a price fix.

>>52252138
Considering their superior physiques and reactions, they'd make for pretty good fighter pilots. Gs for days.

>>52252138
Because they're supposed to be autonomous to an extent and giving up aerial superiority is a bad idea.

>>52252135
>Abaddon's black crusage failed yet again

This hasn't been resolved yet, so I have no idea where the fuck you got this. Also none of them were failures.

>>52252134
Cadia was destroyed due to the AdMech's incompetence. Abaddon did not intend to blow it up.

The Beast was no normal ork.

>>52251997
I feel alpharius is coming back and I am aroused

>>52252111
The novel is a tie in to what's going in Gathering Storm and is the Prelude to the "Devastation of Baal" which will see the almost decade old storyline of Blood Angels being sandwiched by Ka'Pandaman and the Tyranids playout.

If you are a Blood Angel player you should be worried because the novel conforms that Baal will get destroyed by the Tyranids and the angels will head to Terra for the final fight.

>>52251997
>trusting BL lore

>>52252151
Terminators are really hard to price because their armor is of really questionable value with the current amount of power creep, but they do have powerfists and an extra attack. By that logic alone their current price is actually quite a good deal, and yet, it is not.

>>52252164
>Abaddon did not intend to blow it up.
Why he did shoot it with Blackstone fortress when it was intact?

>>52252151
Terminators should be 25 points, same as lychguard.

>>52252164
>Cadia was destroyed due to the AdMech's incompetence. Abaddon did not intend to blow it up.

Utterly wrong. The Admech had nothing to do with Cadia being BTFO. You haven't read Fall of Cadia.

Like i said, get out. You add nothing to the discussion with your ignorance.

>Beast

Irrelevant because he wasn't on the attack moon. An attack moon teleported in the Sol System and owned the place.

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>>52252167
>you should be worried

>>52252177
You
see

>>52252167

The AoS warscroll system could revamp and refine 40k.

Terminators could be 3 or 4 wounds with a 3+ save and unaffected by modifiers that reduce armor saves.

Seriously, the AoS system works and could make the game a lot more fun by removing AP.

>>52252196
you seem really salty and upset just because someone was wrong on the internet

>>52252212
>>>>>>trusting BL lore

>>52252215
Not upset disappointed. I thought /tg/ was better than this. It will never be while this kind of people are around poisoning the well.