Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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>>52209091

1st for Militarum Tempestors

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Second for Squats

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these threads are too serious, post funny

>>52205968

First for da Orkses !

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>>52209128
>I2

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re: I'm going to field one of these with my BA and I wanted some wingmen for it. I sit better to take Stormravens or snag a Stormtalon formation from Codex: Marines?

>>52209118
My biggest problem with Age of Sigmar is everything is a metal scheme. Its fucking bland. DOES CLOTH OR LEATHER ARMOR NOT FUCKING EXIST

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My list is shit, right? Librarian has a force sword.

>>52209161
>Why are the Dwarves from the Metal Planet all wearing metal?

>>52209166

CAD is better for ObSec.

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Gonna make an Imperial Fist army, what should I have to add flavor/fluffy

>>52209166
>impying a BA list was going to be anything other than utter garbage

>>52209191
I can choose between the two depending on what I'm fighting as my list qualifies for both.

>>52209110

>The gold on that Taurox

holy shit that would take no effort at all to fix

>>52209186
Is that actual lore?

HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

*Breathes*


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Still doesn't explain the other races.

I really hope the upcoming Armageddon campaign has formations for the Templars that don't require the purchase of $120 in non-Templar models.
It's the perfect opportunity to introduce that as well as new plastic models of Grimaldus and Helbrecht.

Orks are definitely going to get a much-needed update, and Imperium content is a given. I just hope the Templars and the Steel Legion are the Imperium factions to be the face of Armageddon.

>>52209060
Thing is, nothing bans them from coming along, and there is a rule preventing him from being split off.

Formation passes Reserve Roll:
Cawl is in formation:
Cawl must be placed first:
Cawl can't leave the unit in Reserves, so he is still joined to the unit:
Cawl is placed first, then the Custodes must be placed around him as normal:
No rules broken, since Cawl was the only guy who benefitted from a Formation rule, but as only the first model makes Scatter rolls, he ignores those and was the first model placed, Cawl and friends do not scatter.

>>52209186
Who are you quoting?

>>52209205
Ork boyz and dead space marines

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Opinions on Dreadclaws? I was thinking of getting/converting one for my Chaos force, as I could really use an assault transport that's cheaper than a land raider.

I've also heard that the Daemonic Possession rule that eats models is actually skipped over for any pods that drop in on turn 1, which makes them much better in my opinion.

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>>52209222
Are you telling me you think this model is silly?

>>52209166

Put meltaguns on the Assault squad, drop the power sword.

Terminators are kind of a waste, especially if that's keeping your Librarian off the board for 2+ turns. TH/SS assault terminators would make for a better meatshield to put the Librarian in.

Predator is okay but a Vindicator would be better.

If you are trying to make a mini-deathstar with the Command Squad and Captain I wouldn't do it. Or at the very least, take Dante instead of the Captain. If you insist on the Captain, give him a Power Fist and Lightning Claw.

>>52209238
I wish loyalists had them as well while chaos also got normal pods of course.

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>>52209207

> Literally everyone has a 2+ save and AP2/3 weapons
> Deep Strike into close combat for the whole army
> Reduced Scatter because Dante
> Looks baller

How do other Astartes even compete?

>>52209250
Is that... a chainsword?

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I'm really struggling on what to buy for my sisters.
I want to have Penitent Engines but I can't afford more than 3 at a time and I heard you need 6.
I'm not going to use this list, I was just looking at how many points I could get out of buying 4 squad upgrades

>>52209257
It is basically everything I want from a marine transport. Mid-level durability, the ability to assault out, and only being 100 points.

The only reason I hadn't looked closer at it was because of the potential of eating models, but if I can avoid worrying about that, it's perfect.

>>52209290
Yes.
Notice also, the mustache cannons, monocle and top hat.

He's the leader of the dworf sky pirates.
A flying, dworfven (dwarven), steampunk, pirate, gentleman thief Dick Dastardly.

Sound good?

>>52209238
>I've also heard that the Daemonic Possession rule that eats models is actually skipped over for any pods that drop in on turn 1, which makes them much better in my opinion.
Source? A friend plays Chaos and we roll for it on turn 1.

>>52209256
Is the relic blade not worth anything if I need extra strength, or the ap2 power sword relic if I need ap2?

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>>52209289
I would love to play against this list.

My Daemonettes would eat them.

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I still can't decide between these lists. Playtesting them both will be a pain because they're so different.

>>52209341
Well, I read it on the 1d4chan tactics page so I did some digging. Here's basically how it works out:

First, Daemonic possession's eating doesn't take place until the start of your first turn, which means you don't do it during deployment. Secondly, the rules for reserves prevent units from using any special rules at the start of the movement phase on the turn they come in for reserves.

Taken together, this essentially means that the Drop pod is occupied with Deep-striking, and is thus unable to use its rules to eat a passenger.

Kind of a rules-lawyery justification, but honestly it's a stupid upgrade to begin with.

>>52209340
Sounds great

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WE MELEE ADMECH NOW

>>52209377
Left list looks more powerful and has the D, I dont think doggo spam will work vs certain armies.

>>52209354

You have a power fist for S8 AP2, and a Lightning Claw for everyone else, plus Furious Charge when you assault for S9 or S5 respectively.

>>52209298
I discover that 6 PE is the minimum for the to work at all. Either in 2s or 3s

How do I know? I'm the crazy bastard that runs PE even against gunlines. Since I'm an old fart I know how to make it work by sheer experience. Silly young players with their netlisting and zero understanding of the game.

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>the only way to win tournies as Space Marines is to take vanilla Gladius with White Scars rules

Why is this game so gay

>>52209476
Name ten competitive games where literally every single strategy can consistently win tournaments.

>>52209385
#NOTMYWARHAMMER

>>52209155

they can't be fielded in formations unless the formation allows it.

>>52209476
http://bloodofkittens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Brandon-Grant-2nd-Overall-Las-Vegas-Open-2017.pdf

>>52209379
it's a "fluffy" rule

>>52209488
That's unrealistic and you know it.
The point is, the game could be a lot more balanced with more viable strategies and races.

>>52209449
But... it so much more expensive.
>Yes, that's why people don't use captain
I guess so but there must be some kind of compromise.

>>52209497

No shit, it would be in a CAD. Hence why I said 'snag a Stormtalon formation from Codex: Marines'.

>>52209526
Yeah, which is why I'm glad there's a way to circumvent it by taking one pod and never climbing back inside.

>>52209289
I'd reply with a list of nothing but white scars with grav on bikes but I can't be bothered making it.

>>52209488
I can't even name one lol

/tg/ what happens if a squad of FMC's needs to make a grounding test? Does only one get grounded, or the entire squad? Or do they take the grounding test and die instantly since the rest of the squad is swooping?

>>52209542
I didn't think you could climb back into the pod. I know you can stay in the pod and it can shoot small blasts.

>>52209538

There is no compromise. GW books are not well balanced internally, much less externally. You want a Your Dudes captain who wrecks faces? suck it up and take the loadout, or switch to Dante. Or start playing vanilla Marines and run Smashfucker.

Jump infantry deathstars suck anyway. There is a reason everyone runs bikes or thunderwolves or screamers for their deathstars.

>>52209205
Thunderfire Cannons. Quad Mortars from 30k are a better variant of them.
Vindicators. Sicarans from 30k are a better variant of them.
Tactical Marines. I usually roll with 2 squads in drop pods with melta and one with plasma in a rhino
Ironclad Dreadnoughts. I usually drop one in with full weaponry and a meltagun.
Devastators. All of the fucking devastators. A unit of each kind of heavy weapon is traditional.

Basically, you see the Heavy Support slot? Take that.

>>52209091
Shadow War: Armageddon is $130.

130.

stop raping me gw.

>>52209476
why are you surprised? tournaments are cutthroat lists taking the nastiest and cheapest stuff you can fit. it's not for casuals

>>52209289

Stop making me sad about playing Blood Angels.

>>52209579

I was hoping to at least see some Skyhammer Annihilation lists or other shit placing high, but I guess deep striking is for chumps when you get hundreds of points worth of free transports..

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So what's the consensus on the 40k Tartaros rules?

I really fucking like them, a lot more than the Termies we have right now at least. Also seem like a direct upgrade to normal Assault Terminators with Lightning Claws.

>>52209557
I'm pretty sure you can. Unlike a normal drop pod, I'm pretty sure it'll keep flying around for as long as you want it to, even after disgorging troops.

>>52209476
> Not taking Iron Hands biker-characters along with space wolf barkstar

>>52209593

VOLKITE CONFIRMED EXISTING IN 40K

>>52209590
objective secured and being able to move around the table fast is really helpful. getting some gravcannons on the board to alpha strike might not work against everyone and assault squads don't fight well

>>52209605
>what are Tech-Priest Domini

>>52209593

They still have their ability to sweep and run? Direct upgrade.

>>52209615
Unique, rare motherfuckers you don't see many of. It's like saying the Imperium has jetbikes because of sammael.

>>52209590
Skyhammer is a terrible list to take. You're banking that you can drop all your shit first and have them mop up the entire armor, if not you loose everything you dropped if you leave enough of the enemy untouched. Not mention when fighting another SM player with his own drop pods, he can just let you go first, you have to drop everything, and then he just drops his drops behind your drop.

>>52209615

They have volkite blasters which can be argued as hq relics. Chargers are the basic gun, which is now confirmed to have survived into 40k.

>>52209578
>80 bucks of Scouts+Orks
>Giant Terrain is 50 bucks

Kinda expected it to be around that

>>52209638

>Marines Yomi each other with drop pod denial lists

>>52209597

From what I understand its, ironically, better to take Dark Angels as allies for your barkstar.

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>>52209620
Don't say anything about no running or sweeping.

>>52209593
I didn't realize they gave them different rules? Are they loyalist only like the previous ones?

>>52209665
Yeah, cheaper auxiliaries, but it's a 9.7 vs. a 9.5 out of 10.
>>52209653
I've seen it happen, man.

>>52209667
Then it means they can. As normal Terminator armour has a clause to prevent Sweeping Advance

>>52209593
>>52209667
These are great for assault terminators. The grenade harness along with Lightning claws and being able to sweep will make them quite good. Only downside I can see is a lack of Stormshields.

>>52209561
I'd say the IG codex is pretty well balanced internally.

>>52209667
>>52209593
Now of course CSM get these too, seeing as they carry reaper autocannons.

>>52209724
I wouldn't count on it. They have Chapter Tactics.

>>52209415
Thanks, made my decision.

>>52209222

Their lore is that they are space pirate dwarves who evolved for centuries living in the skies instead of inside mountains. The skies in AoS are full of magic and poison so they use magic powered weapons, magic powered airships, and magical full body aerial scuba suits.

They also have metal pirate parrots welded to their shoulders, metal bowler and top hats welded to their helmets, and sculpted beards with guns in them.

Frankly these things are the ONLY good new things to come out of AoS.

>>52209710
Ogryns

>>52209749
Wasn't /tg/ all abuzz about the "Totally not iron horde ripoffs" being the best thing ever?

>>52209749
At least Stormcasts make decent Blood Angel Terminators. That's a decent thing to get from AoS.

>>52209650
noooo i want it to be less. my wallet. mercy

>>52209749
>Frankly these things are the ONLY good new things to come out of AoS.

Hey! I enjoyed the Daemons of Tzeentch release as it meant I finally get a Lord of Change that isn't metal.

>>52209774

Orruk are pretty great too. These new metal sky pirate dwarves return to the campy silliness that everyone complains 40k abandoned.

>>52209782
I'm hoping they have Terrain only boxes. Might be able to stomach that.

>>52209724
>>52209733
That's fucking bullshit. Luckily my group is sure to let me houserule that. I'd already planned on getting them for a Chaos lord and a squad with Lightning claws, so throwing in a Grenade harness is even better.

>>52209799
yeah the terrain is really nice but one wouldnt be enough for a good game i think. and buying two $130 boxes for a game might be a bit much...

>>52209819
Why I said I'm hoping for Terrain only boxes. Which might be around 50 bucks.

>>52209784
Nurgle when.

>Iron Warriors
Nerds who play dungeons and dragons and hate Chads

>Emperor's Children
Loud Metalheads

>World Eaters
Hyperactive kids who love sugar and 'cool' shit

>Black Legion
Saturday Morning cartoon villains

>>52209922
as if nurgle doesn't get enough attention

>>52209784
anon, the lord of change and kairos haven't been metal for years

>>52209799
Too bad enjoy your useless models in every box

>>52209593
>loyalist only
Just like I predicted.

>>52209922
Probably not until after Slaanesh

>Slaanesh doesn't have a Start Collecting Nurgle does.

Sucks that your new GUO became the End Times triplets

>>52209854
They are selling Terrain with make your own dead bodies!

>>52209960
Finecast < Metal
>Also for whatever reason, last year my GW had a metal LOC, but not FC LOC

>>52210024
weird, i thought gw discontinued all their metal models a decade ago (sisters don't count)

>>52209991
>after Slaanesh
You mean never, since slaanesh has been removed completely from AoS, is being lined up to be removed from 40k too and hasn't had new models for years.

Advice on starting Emperor's Children?

>>52209593
>tfw my LC terminator squad is 2 cataphractii 4 tartaros 4 indomitus

What do I do

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>>52209991

Trouble is that anything Slaaneshii is fighting against 3rd party, which can cram way more boobs than GW and so will always win amongst their target audience.

>>52209811
>hur dur I want to play CSM
>but I just want all the loyalist shit too
>I'm not even going to add spikes to them I'm just going to run generic loyalist shit

Why?

>>52210073
>Not having models in years or decades means something.

This is GW not making models for armies for a long time is nothing new. Till GW doesn't officially say fuck you! We are not supporting your army/game anymore. There is no need to panic

>>52210076
Don't mix weapons too heavily in Noise marine squads. Sticking a Doom Siren, Blastmaster, and multiple sonic blasters in the same squad is like sticking a Flamer, Missile Launcher, and Plasma guns in a normal squad. Kit them out for specific roles.

>>52210073
there's some murmurs about slaanesh returning actually. recently we got word of a AoS sorcerer getting a clue about slaanesh's whereabouts

>>52210102
if loyalists get CSM guns we should get SM kit in return

>>52210102
>implying the fucking fluff doesn't state we brought a shit ton of heresy era shit with us to the eye yet for some reason we aren't able to field them even though loyalists can because Chaos can't have nice things
Fuck you.

>>52210076

Get a copy of Traitor Legions.
Noise Marines are not worth purchasing unless they are Kakophoni, although that is an exceptional formation.
Maximum Blastmasters.
4+ FNP is fucking ace, always consider bigger units to maximise.
Lords on Steeds are the single instance of Outflank in the entire CSM Codex*.
A single Spawn is the difference between taking Kakophoni, and taking the superformation with combat drugs.
Between Noise Marines, Spawn and Daemon allies, you can cover all bases
If you struggle against fliers, take a CAD for some Hellblades.

*Excluding Alpha Legion

Is Malice still canon?

>>52210102
First, I was already planning on getting these regardless, since they fit the style I wanted to go for for a Chaos Lord regardless, and I was going to run the others as generic claw marines.

Second, fluff-wise, Chaos Marines shouuld have these, since they're from the old legion days.

Third, you have no right to complain about me wanting loyalist toys when GW just hands you our exclusive weapon on a better platform.

>>52210166
Some people are mean yeah.

>>52210166
GW don't have rights to him so he's nonexistent.

>>52209205
Imperial Lube?

>>52210102
If anything, it would have made more sense to have the cataphractii terminators be loyalist kits and the tartaros terminators be chaos. That would actually be fair.

But no, only loyalists get to use the terminators that come in the legion boxes, even when they're painted up as thousand sons in the actual game.

>>52210142

> Implying it won't lead into a summer campaign where they find and kill him, rereleasing Aelfs

>>52210158
>loyalists keep heresy era shit in stasis vaults cared for by proper techpriests and techmarines
>traitors keep heresy shit in the fucking Warp and expect it to emerge unscathed or unmutated

No, fuck you, you don't even understand your own lore. All the warbands and legions who didn't retreat into the Eye have no supply line or way to maintain such ancient gear other than by theft.

>>52210199
Any proof?

>>52210223
Your got an answer, don't like it, go look yourself.

>>52210217
>what is dark mechanicus
>what are traitor techmarines/warpsmiths
No u

Is it really possibly 8E will be an AOS style shift with the rules?

>>52209161
compared to regular dwarves, i say they are pretty lightly armored, with scubadiver suits and shits

>>52210282
#ASKGW

>>52210248
Dark Mechanicus are like "Dark Crusade" players, slap a demons to the thing and hope it works.

Dark Mechanicus are the retarded brother in a family of Inbreeders that the Mechanicus are.

>>52210166

Take your halalmalal and go

>>52210297
Don't use demons all the time. Sometimes they just have killer AI robots who worship Chaos.

>>52209340
>Sound good?
Like fedora

>>52210297
Right. That's why Fabius Bile knows more about geneseed than anyone else? Dark Mechanicus is perfectly capable of doing normal science, and should be better about it since they don't have to worry about the same restrictions.

The downside is being more spread out and not having the same logistical base, but that applies to all warbands.

By the same token, you might as well argue that the only CSM unit should be Possessed with a 4+ save, because bolters and power armor are also hard to maintain, and every CSM is a drooling retard that shoves daemons up their butt, right?

>>52210306
Not sure what option is more retarded
Using demons or evil AI that hate you and worship chaos.

With demons you only have to deal with assholes. With evil AI, super inteligente assholes.

Tell me how is Chaos not the most retarded faction?

>>52210210

Should be swapped around. Tartaros is the shittier variant and is also more valuable and hard to manufacture. Cataphractii is older, better (to help CSM faction out with 4++ and lack of storm shield) and many of their models already have/had Cataphractii (see the lightning claw style and Abaddon's 30k model).

>>52210126
There have been new models for literally every chaos faction more recently than Slaanesh. Nurgle might have an outdated greater daemon, but has still gotten new models for its mortal followers far more recently than Slaanesh got anything at all. Moreover even references to slaanesh on other models are missing, like Archaons dragon, which has a head for each chaos god only has 3 heads.

The intent of GW to axe slaanesh is pretty fucking apparent. They may or may not decide to reverse that decision in a post-kirby world, but if they continued the current direction the only logical outcome is slaanesh eventually being phased out of both games completely.

>>52210248
None of those things make or maintain shit anywhere near as good as loyalists. Literally just look at any of their artwork or rules or lore.

Like I said, you don't even know your own fluff. Thinking Dark Mechanicus is the same as regular Mechanicus in terms of maintenance and fit and finish, you're a fucking retard. They literally are the shittier redneck version that uses daemons like mechanics use duct tape.

>>52210223
Please find any reference to him in any publication.

>>52210359
Eh, I mostly had it that way to match the factions in the boxes, and also to fit with each faction's preference (loyalists are more shooty so SnP armor, traitors are more assaulty so the grenade & sweeping armor)

Either way, having it be 1 for each side would be a lot better than doubling up, or failing that, just give both of them the damn things in the first place.

>>52210359
That was retconned. Tartaros was to replace Indomitus as it was better in every way.

>>52210354
>>52210382
Right. Dark Mechanicus can't maintain anything. Not a single legion era thing they touch has survived for 10,000 years, and a Warpsmith won't even help in maintaining them.

Except for, you know, those Forgeworld tanks that can be taken as ancient Relics, and getting an extra Relic if you have a Warpsmith.

If Chaos can get their hands on a Land Raider Proteus and have it work after all this time (Daemon free, at that), then they can have a particular flavor of terminator armor.

>>52210354
But daemon stuff gives it an invul save! And the ability to sorta heal itself. Other than that, it's a pretty weird idea to just shove demons into things in place of a machine spirit.

>>52210387
Heroes of the Space Marines-The Labyrinth

>>52210424
They need to stop shoving Pink Horrors into shit and use Bloodletters. Those shits have WS5 AND BS5. Hell they don't even HAVE guns and shoot better than Marines.

>>52210411
You would think the Dark Mechanicus would actually have better shit than the loyalist. Admech is tied down by tech heresy and rules so they carry out any borderline heresy in secret, like stealing relics.
Dark Mech would do whatever they wanted, however they wanted. This plasma generator? It uses the souls of the damned to power it so it's twice as better! This gun uses super induced plasma rounds because no one told me that was heresy to mix the two!

>>52209155
It's a lord of war. Take a cad. Profit.

>>52209593
>Vanilla Space Marines only

Sigh...My Blood Angels never get any goodies.

>>52210482

They don't have an entire galaxy's resources and manpower to draw from.

Why are chaosfags so fucking retarded?

>>52210460
>Khorn not having guns

Khorn has fucking demons riding cannons into battle. Her prefers Melee but is not a drooling idiot like a Chaos Space Marine. Khorn understands the importance of having guns.

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>>52209110
>Actually taking vox on scions
>Voluntarily increasing your already ludicrous points cost by 5pts AND sacrificing an extra special weapon for a useless upgrade

>>52210482
Just think of the possibilities. Chaos should by all means be the leaders of human technological innovation, even if bad logistics meant these relics were rare and expensive, they should at least exist.

The very fact that DarkMech is not a unified faction should destroy the argument that 'all they do is shove Daemons into shit'

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>>52210382
"Loyalists should get literally everything from the heresy, CSM only get sloppy seconds because "muh innacurate lore" and not get anything to counter balance."

Are you having a stroke? Loyalists have LITERALLY EVERYTHING. CSM don't even have a unique place other than "lol demons".
Not all the legions fell to chaos, and one of them doesn't even reside in the Eye. And yet what are our unique options? Demons.
You're telling me the 10,000 year old renegades from a time long forgotten don't have any gear from before the heresy other than a handful of vehicles, a mediocre rocket launcher, and a fucking autocannon.
If they're so shit at maintenance, how are they able to maintain the reaper autocannon or the havoc launcher?

>>52210511
>Red Marines bitching about not having Blue Marine shit.

I honestly don't understand just use what ever broken marine shit of the month with your colour Marine of choice.

>>52209774
>Comparing Ironjawz to that incompetent bunch of useless manchildren.

Kys.

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>>52210511
Serves you right for not adhering to The Codex.

>>52210517
>Khorn
Also said Daemons use the Cannon the same way your average Khorne Berzerker uses his Bolt Pistol: To shoot at you while they charge at full speed.

>>52210517
True. But show me on the Bloodletter's profile where they have a native shooting attack

>They don't.

>>52210547
I want to be able to bring this shit to tournaments. In casual games, that's fine since the people I play with are really chill, but TOs aren't going to let me bring shit the vanilla marines get.

>>52210543
By shoving demons into things. Chaos marines doing anything at all is at the same level of plot armour than Tau.

The useless fucks can't do shit. Kind of hard to do anything when they are the Chaos gods cumdumpsters

>>52210543
Sonic guns
Blastmasters
Baleflamers
Ectoplasma Cannons
CHAIN AXES!

>>52210482
Yeah, but a lot of the shit the Mechanicus forbids is forbidden for a reason.

How many DarkMech forges do you reckon get overrun by homocidal AI, grey goo or suffer a catastrophic existence failure after an explorator brings back some DAoT relic and they decide to switch it on immediately because 'fuck yo rulez mechanicus scrubs'?

Plus they're all pretty much driven insane by the warp and only interested in meshing technology with sorcery, not real innovation.

>>52210556
Yeah yeah, "muh objectively superior patrician tastes".

Now it's been said, no need for you to lounge about
>implying
it.

>>52210073
>Slaanesh.
>Removed from AoS

BWAHAHAHAHAHA...

Oh wait, you're ARE serious. Apparently, their subjects appearing, in a yearl, in more stories than their 40k's counterparts have had, in a DECADE, is being removed.

Long story short: Slaanesh is being captured, not entirely removed, their subjects are very active and doing a whole mess. Said capture was orchestrated from the shadows by tzeentch, who got its vengeance from that he got gangbanged. Lastly, we do know that slaanesh let itself be captured, if DoT's implications and other stories (Morathi appearing shortly before the sortie) are to be believed. So rest assured, we will bring back slaanesh and you may even get a few of our cool stuff, like you did with tzaangors.

>>52210573
>I want to be able to bring this shit to tournaments
>bringing Terminators to tournaments
>bringing Tartaros to tournaments

u wot f8g

dont know why you faggots are whining about CSM and BA and whatever not getting these when they suck complete shit. if you like the models just use them as generic terminators

>>52210573
Anon blood Angels are just red marines.
You can call them Blood Wings that use blood Angles scheme and be done with it.

Beside grey knights that actually have SB strap to their arms, the marine models are all the same.

Already playing tournaments so why even bother with Fluff at that point

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>>52210588
>What are Alpha Legion
>What are Night Lords

Night Lords specifically hate chaos. They avoid having to do anything with it at all costs.

Alpha Legion never even went into the Eye of Terror. There's like one Alpha Legion warband that cucked out and went to chaos.

Here's your (you), try better next time.

>>52210366

>Uses Archaon as an example of references missing in models.
>Archaon has the mark of slaanesh engraved in its shield.

I know he ain't flaunting it but man, talk about using a wrong analogy.

>>52210543
>Are you having a stroke?
>lists a bunch of stupid shit that's already been answered or are clearly obvious

Are you?

>abloobloo CSM doesn't have anything other than lol-best-army-in-the-game-other-than-eldar-even-stronger-than-loyalists

>>52210366

Dorghar doesn't have a head for every chaos god. He has a head for every of the three champions he ate once. Slaanesh, its outright stated, couldn't be arsed to send one, lazy bum as he was being.

>>52210624
>Apparently, their subjects appearing, in a yearl, in more stories
Yeah and with zero new models.
>So rest assured, we will bring back slaanesh
More likeky "we will tease audience with possible return of Slaanesh like we did with SoB"

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Does Mortarion get on with Nurgle? Nurgle and his followers are always described as a merry bunch, with Nurglings squeaking with merriment and glee to the Great Unclean Ones chuckling away to themselves or out and out bellowing riotous laughter.

Mortarion has always been nothing but a sombre, stoic, serious and angry person.

Does he enjoy his Deities mirthful laughing or does it enrage him further?

>>52210543
>loyalists have LITERALLY EVERYTHING
>we should also have those things!
>and also these things we have that loyalists don't that don't count!

Not even counting Daemon allies and Daemonkin, CSM already have plenty of shit loyalists don't. Cultists, Zombies, Spawn, and FMCs to name a few.

>>52210656
Reminder that Slaanesh didn't send any Daemons to Archaon, so Archaon's mutant horse didn't eat a Slaaneshi Daemon, so it didn't get a Slaaneshi head.

>>52210597
>Sonic guns only available to emperor's children
>Blast masters too
>Ectoplasma cannons have garbage range and 1 extra strength to "compensate"
>Chain axes are ap4

The only good/accessible one there is the baleflamer, and that's only on the heldrake.

You forgot the hades autocannon.

I think what chaos needs other than tartaros and cataphractii is their own unique non-daemonic vehicles. Stuff like hades autocannons on predators and baleflamer light skimmers

>>52210647
Oh so you are that guy.

>>52209205
Take a Sternhammer Strike Force

Run bolters buddies in Rhinos with extra Storm Bolter, give them heavy bolters and melta/combi-melta

Run your fast selection as land speeders with double bolters.

Use your devastator choice to bring in Grav Cannons or Lascannons with a Cataphractii captain in their drop pod.

Take a dread.

Use an Aux slot and a Strike Force Command for another Cataphractii captain and Dev squad in a pod for more fire support.

Sadly Sternhammer doesn't use Centurions well because you have no way to legally give them a pod.

You could always take extra storm bolters in Sternhammer because all IF models re-roll failed hits with bolt weapons.

You have so much god damn AP thanks to literally hundreds of shots that will hit that your only focus is going to be throwing down dev fire where it's needed.

>>52209091
Can a Tau commander in a coldstar suit take Iridium suit?

>>52210718
I'm not sure I am, who's "that guy"?

>>52210732
Read your book

What's the best way to kill myself?

I have no joy playing 40k with myself, having zero friends and never having any kind of relationships.
I am also socially retarded.

>>52210682
>>52210656

It does have a Slaaneshii head though.
It's just invisible under all those pubes.

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>>52210755
Where do you live, friend. West texas here and no one else around to play.

In other news, can I get some critiques on my 2000 pt list /40kg/?

>>52210715
AND BLASTMASTER ON PREDATORS AGAIN

GW PLS

>>52210747
So yes?

>>52210624
>no models
>no battletome
>vaguely eluded to in lore
It's totally not gone!

>>52210819
So read your book.

>>52210831
Ok yes ill take the 2+ on my jump unit

>>52210826
>>no models
>no battletome
>vaguely eluded to in lore
You heard it hear, Aelves officially removed from AOS.

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On a scale of 1 to 10, how great is this list?

>>52210715
>I think what chaos needs other than tartaros and cataphractii is their own unique non-daemonic vehicles. Stuff like hades autocannons on predators and baleflamer light skimmers

This. Or make their unique options less shit and overpriced. CSMfags who REEEE over not getting loyalist shit are retards.

There's opportunity to literally have shit that's even BETTER than loyalist stuff but you pine for the stupidest shit like sweeping 5++ TEQ.

Tried to assemble a death guard list, bummed out that battkesctibe didn't show the fancy terminators they get or are they 30k only?

+++ Death guard (Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition v2017) (1850pts) +++

++ Combined Arms Detachment (Chaos Space Marines: Codex (2012) v2011) (1850pts) ++

+ Uncategorised +

Force Options (Supplement options here) [Death Guard]

Show Forgeworld

+ HQ (415pts) +

Sorcerer (185pts) [2x Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Dolorous Knell, Mark of Nurgle, Power Armour, Spell familiar, Veterans of the Long War]

Typhus (230pts) [Warlord]

+ Elites (280pts) +

[FW] Chaos Contemptor Dreadnought (280pts) [Carapace Mounted Havoc launcher, Dedications of Nurgle, Twin Linked Lascannon, Twin Linked Lascannon]

+ Troops (478pts) +

Chaos Space Marines (158pts) [7x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Mark of Nurgle, Meltagun, Veterans of the Long War]
Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, Close Combat Weapon, Combi-melta]

Plague Marines (160pts) [4x Plague Marine, Veterans of the Long War]
Chaos Rhino [Dozer Blades]
Plague Champion [Close Combat Weapon, Plague knife]

Plague Marines (160pts) [4x Plague Marine, Veterans of the Long War]
Chaos Rhino [Dozer Blades]
Plague Champion [Close Combat Weapon, Plague knife]

+ Fast Attack (189pts) +

Chaos Bikers (189pts) [5x Chaos Biker, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War]
Chaos Biker Champion [Chainaxe, Power Lance]

+ Heavy Support (488pts) +

Havocs (130pts) [4x Autocannon, 4x Havoc, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War]
Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, 2x Close Combat Weapon]

Havocs (130pts) [4x Autocannon, 4x Havoc, Mark of Nurgle, Veterans of the Long War]
Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, 2x Close Combat Weapon]

Obliterators (228pts) [Mark of Nurgle, 3x Obliterator, Veterans of the Long War]

>>52210843
>Coldstar
>Jump

Read your book.

>>52210844
>almost 2 years after launch
>still no models or rules
May as well be.

>>52210755
Helium exit bag, loads of instructionals online.

Does anybody have a pdf of the necrons codex?

>>52210844
>Aelves officially removed from AOS.
They've got their old starter. So they already larger presented in lore.

>>52210877

>Squats got no rules in more than a decade.
>Get them.
> It's in AoS.

Are you still butthurt that they prefered us?

>>52210870
oh my flying carnifex

>>52209593
>>52209667
Neat shit. Finally Terminators I can feel alright with fielding as RG.

>>52210844

Vaguely eluded... so having them as the MCs of two novels and the antagonists of 3 more (with a pool of 11 novels and 5 anthologies...) is vaguely eluded... huh, interesting.

What's the Word of God on using 30k lists in 40k?

Imperial Militia from Forgeworld interests me more than the Astra Militarum does, seems to offer a more viable way to play infantry-heavy.

Doesn't seem overpowered but I know some 30k lists have a bit of a reputation.

>>52210894
wh40klib

>>52210911

> Warhammer was squatted so hard that they actually materialized within it

>>52210948
they work just fine, not as strong as some of the top-tier lists but serviceable. So many different ways you can fluff it as well, from lost in the warp to divergent chapters.

>>52210573
just bring a golden faggot formation to tournies you massive homosexual. Dark angels is best

>>52210944
>my RG army needs to be hyper-RG, all the time!

Do you only put lightning claws on all your models too?

>>52209340
Dastardly Dirigible Daredevil Dworve(c)?

>>52210948
>What's the Word of God on using 30k lists in 40k?

Permission only, illegal in tournaments, most people are fine with it in casual games.

>>52210844
>Aelves officially removed from AOS.
Current ones on the way to this, just like all old armies

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>>52211008
>Actually caring about army aesthetics and the modeling part of the hobby is a bad thing
please kys

>>52209406
>Numinous conclaves
Wew Lad(Mech)

>>52210996
>>52211027
30" Lasguns and 3+ save troops here I come.

>>52209340
>moustache guns
>dorf balloon pirate with a chainsword that looks more effective than one made in the 40th millenium.
My sides stood no chance.
>mfw the ridiculousness only makes me want the model more

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>>52211040
>Aelves
Please tell me this is an actual thing.

>>52210868
30k only yeah.

You should runs a vecorium with a Chaos Warband though, almost entirely the same units as you're already using but with more benefits.

>>52211101

I suppose militarum tempestus or Astra Militarum is better. Surely inferior to the Nemesis Dreadknight too.

>>52211101
You will never guess how one nation of them was named

>>52211121
>Astra Militarum
At least it's fit High Gothic

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>>52211121
>silly latin name
>worse than tumblr furfag fanfiction material
This is what homosexuals actually believe.

>Aelves
>AELVES
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52211147
>Army of the Stars.
> Any good no matter how hard they try to disguise it.

You've gotta be kidding me.

>>52210860
I don't care about not getting loyalist shit, but it's another thing entirely when they come out with new Terminators with CSM weapons that were CSM in the boxed game and then they make them loyalist-only.

>There's opportunity to literally have shit that's even BETTER than loyalist stuff

I don't care about having better stuff, I care about having cool stuff. The problem is loyalists get all the cool and better stuff, and we don't have anything to show for it.

>>52210911
I unironically like the squats.

Normally I hate the AoS models for being so over the top compared to WHFB but these guys are so silly they're over the top of other factions over the topness.
They're like a parody of their very own setting, I really like them.

>>52211187
>tumblr
the slav is back

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>>52211231
>Aeldaqueers already mad enough to start screaming about slavs
rofl, what's next, vietnamese secret agents?

>>52211127
Tell me anon! Finish me off!

>>52211195
>>Army of the Stars
Perfectly describes them and latin-like fits Imperium aesthetics.

>>52210964
thx

>>52209593
>Chapter tactics
Fuck, I wanna play this guys in my BA army

>>52211278
>Tell me anon! Finish me off!
Highborne
https://youtu.be/No6jHwe0QoQ

>>52211044

If you only cared about aesthetics, Tartaros Terminators have existed in 40k as a model for over 6 years.

>>52211207
>thinks the Chaos unique shit isn't cool enough

Maybe CSM isn't the faction for you.

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>>52209205
Makes your assault squads (marine and terminator) black. It really pops and gives them an ominous tone. Like pic related.

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>>52211341
Or this

>>52211340
>You like kitbashing and having a wide variety of units with different types of armor?
>CSM isn't for you

Did I stumble into bizarro world by mistake?

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>>52211358
Or this

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>>52209091

What the fuck happened to Forge World

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>>52211319
That's some low-ass effort, kek. Still not as implicitly homosexual as Aeldari though.

so are new marines coming?

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>>52211098
I prefer my version.

>>52211323
I'm fully aware, however FW prices were prohibitive. I have a few characters done that way, and one squad of tartaros plastics from BoP. Now I don't have to gimp the loadout just to fit within standard terminator wargear.

>>52211319

It's highborn and it's not a nation but a social caste, namely the nobility. So your beef is that they use a high-status denominative to a high status group? Wow.

>>52211383
Isn't that Drassil from Beyblade?

>>52211366
>complains about loyalists getting all the cool stuff
>loyalists get zero daemonic bits or kits
>thinks daemonic CSM stuff, spikes, and Chaos trim isn't cool

CSM ISN'T THE FACTION FOR YOU, RETARD

>>52211390
Still missing the sunglasses.

>>52211098

That's not a chainsword. That's a chainfist.

Also, isn't that the rune of the dwarven high-kings from old fantasy?

*checks army book*

It is... so Brokk Grungsson seems to be the name.

>>52211394
>it's not a nation but a social caste, namely the nobility.
Can you prove it? Because in early AoS they were described as major population the Realm of Light and they represented by HighElves who were one of elven nation.

>>52211390
Bowler > top hat > straw boater > newsboy > fedora.

>>52209406
>Ruststalkers

Literally worse than Infiltrators at everything. Meme unit.

Take Infiltrators with flechette blasters and taser goads. Bring bucket for rolling dice during shooting/melee phase.

We need an AOS general. You obnoxious faggots derail every thread with your shit game and models.

>>52211390
M'lady?

>>52210755
drink all your paints, that should do it.

>>52211405
Alright. (you) got me. I genuinely thought you were seriously retarded and not a troll

>>52211445

Highborn is the description of the High-Elves hailing from Azyr, GA:O says it clearly, such a qualitifactive is menaingless to those from other realms. We just don't know exactly what name do they use for the Hysh-born panzees.

>>52211465
Make sure you thin them beforehand

>>52211423
That doesn't go with bowler and cigar.

S' ser Axeton Churchaft.

>>52211455

They've got one. It got derailed by faggots commenting of 40k and space marine wank yesterday. So butthurt bitch who thinks he's doing payback?

>>52211501
It was revealed to be one faggot when a full third of the thread went down with his ban.

>>52211478
>GA:O says it clearly,
Can you post the page to prove it?
>We just don't know exactly what name do they use for the Hysh-born panzees.
Dark exiles?

>>52209784
> I enjoyed the Daemons of Tzeentch release
Those aren't JUST for AoS though, they were also for 40k. I think people mean best AoS only release.

>>52211383
They started making all the blood bowl special characters.

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>>52209797
>Orruk

>>52211523
There were at least two who've posted tumblr/fedora stuff about nuDwarves

>>52211556
>they literally leaded by Blackhand with Gorehowl

>>52211556
Ork.

Really, it's just change for change's sake, desu. GW butchers so many things that shit like Orruk Aelf and Ork are pretty tame.

>>52211465
i doubt that would kill him. between acrylics being safe for consumers and size of the pots even if you have a lot of paint.

>>52211556

Aeorki

>>52211565
you mean the 61 posts that all went at once?

>>52210928
>8th edition tyranid wishlist
>No harpies of hive crones
>Wings is a 35pt upgrade for carnifexes so you can make your own instead

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>>52211578
>Aelf

>>52211580
Autau

>>52211588
Yep because I was the one who've posted in the begginning of thread but then I've quit.

>>52211599
Aeldari

>>52211606
Aetaui, actually.

>>52211606
You mean Uatau

>>52211606
Its eatatau

>>52211735
Nope I mean aecroni.
Meanwhile I still waiting for proofs>>52211534

>>52211606
>>52211665
>>52211722
>>52211735
>>52211752
Aeautisti

>>52210689
Doesn't really matter since he's Nurgle's bitch anyways. Daemon Princes only have the illusion of free will.

>>52211786
Autismus Maximus, that's why Astra Millitarum better name

>>52210647
>Night Lords hate Chaos
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Krieg_Acerbus

>>52210689
He didn't really have a choice to serve Nurgle. He called out for help when his Legion was being devastated by the destroyer plague.

Gee AOS, why do you get to shit up *two* threads!?

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Hey guys this just arrived from the mail.

wat do?

>>52211823
Because of mother fucking steam dwarves.

>>52211839
Throw it in the garbage.

>>52211855
Dubs demand it.

>>52211823
It's a dim light in the darkness that GW might be gearing up to un-squat the Squats. Let them have it.

>via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
The image you have circulating of the dual wielding marine is a kitbash fake.

It was discussion of the image that spawned the first rumor: "I saw it, it had sigmarite-like legs, a longer bolter" etc and not the other way around. People seem to think the first rumors gained validity by the model that followed, but it's the other way around.

The image you have been circulating is not a legitimate product.

There are new marine kits coming. There are always new marine kits coming. At this time there is no intention to change the scale of space marines, due to the importance of cross-compatibility of bits.

is Faeit reliable?

>>52211868
>un-squat the Squats
It's not going to happen. Take your newfag friends and leave, Squats are never coming back, with good reason. I'm glad they're gone.

>>52211876
>is Faeit reliable?

Faeit isnt a source, its a site that posts every rumor.

>>52211876
No, but everyone can tell that it was a kitbash anyway

>>52211876
>is Faeit reliable?
Fuck no. And they're wrong, too. Anon was trying to stir shit by posting about new Marines, and when pressed for it he """""accidentally""""" leaked that image. It's still fake as shit though.

>>52211876
faeit isn't reliable since he sources from 4chan

>>52211876
Natfka will literally post whatever anyone sends him. Take whatever he posts with a large helping of salt.

>>52211889
They've already been confirmed anon, squats are back.

>>52211910
>>52211903
>>52211922
>>52211930

Thanks - the model looked like a kitbash to me even if I'm a new player since it's not cohesive looking.
The fact is I'm not sure if I should start a new SM army (iron hands) at the moment. Alternatives are grey knights and skitarii.

Aeorki codex when?

>>52211951
Sauce?

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Is this legally playable?

Which are the worst Faeit posts: Genesys Project posts or blatantly false ""rumors""?

>>52212005
>can you play it
Yes
>should you play it
No

>>52212024
Faeit posts something that isn't a collection of bullshit rumors?

>>52210160
Kakophoni with 6 units is really expensive pointswise.

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It almost feels like my camera only picks up the mistakes I made in the model.
Or maybe my eyesight is just really, really poor.

>>52209091

>Offline list builder
https://battlescribe.net/

what happened to the online list builder?

>>52212024

Genesys project by far. At least fake rumors are relevant to warhammer and amusing to read. The fuck is this genesys trash other than clogging up the feed?

quick question; what atmospheric combat ships do space marines use? stormtalons and stormhawks seem wrong for atmospheric combat.

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Busting this list out to tackle our invisibility meta.
I'm 30pts down because the 2nd priest has the Skull of Petronella.
Celestine makes for a great distraction.

>>52211889
Well that's just rude.

>>52212098
Meme master removed it.

Modern general authors are scum, removing the picturebook that gets asked about in every fucking thread while reviving the fucking ebin Duncan bait and switch maymay. If I'm around to make the next one I'll post an improved pasta.

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rate

those are neural nodes, but the list builder doesn't have that formation

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>>52211855
>>52211864

>>52212186
>look mom i posted it again
What does Tau even have to do with that shit model? Come on now anti-Taufag.

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>>52210883
>helium exit bag
>googled, fully expecting instructions for a giant helium flying device or something akin to >>52209250 with an exit cord
I am disappoint

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>>52211876

So if true scale marine kit is false, what about robute guileman making new marines? is that one false too or true?

>>52212225

h8r's gonna h8

>>52212225

Ignore him, he made like a dozen of those stupid images but no one but him uses it in these threads so he has to force them

>>52212186
>>52212225
What is the animosity towards Tau about anyways? Theyre not terrible looking or anything. Are they a cheese race gamewise?

>>52212242
We don't know what he's planning yet. The rumors about making new Marines are as unsubstantiated as the shitty kitbash. In fact I want to say they're from the same source.

>>52212242
What about the scale of the other two dudes in the triumvirate? Is it standard?

>>52211996
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/15/a-new-race-descends-on-the-mortal-realms/

Could the Imperial Guard make a peasant railgun the circumference of a planet?

>>52212271

you've never met a tau player. just wait bro. plastic and primed cheese up the ass

How do you build a space marine list? They have so much variety and upgrades that I have no idea what to pick to do what. The other armies I've built have units that perform a certain role, maybe competing with another unit in the codex, space marines have like 3 for every role and can be kitted out a billion different ways.

TL:DR what's your process for building a space marine list

Inb4 max grav cents

>>52212271
Unfun to play against, borderline OP, annoying as shit when the opponent is a WAACfag.

Stormsurge and riptide cost too little and they have stupid bullshit formations that give them free rules for no tax.

Also Tau'nar.

>>52212271
>I've never played a game of 40k

>>52211821
That's Typhus, not Mortarion

>>52212271
They are

>weebshit faction with stupid fucking giant robots despite their original fluff saying they thought Titans were retarded for being stupid fucking giant robots, I mean seriously look at the Stormsurge and then read its fluff, it's shit
>a faction with one of the most cancerous fanbases in 40k, the memes about Tau players being WAACunts who play with unpainted models exist for a reason
>just generally unfun to play against

/tg/ hates them because Tau hate is a meme so all the newfags post about hating Taufags to blend in. It's like Ultramarines were five years ago on 1d4chan but I repeat myself.

>>52212297
But anon...I paint my models and I roll horribly so I usually lose

>>52212242
Doubt it. But Im guessing if its true, they mean a new kind of heavy marine unit like centurions were. I mean GW just released a goldmine of marines with their HH boxed games, 1kSons, deathwatch and fallen. Itd be dumb to go back on big releases like those and go "nevermind, these are cooler and better than those things we just released under a year ago". That, and thunk of how shitty that would be to forge world...

>>52212335
dont get me wrong-- there are always outliers. i bet there are some real decent Tau players out there that take the models that they think are cool and actually put paint on them. But, ive never met one sadly

>>52212301
Pick one strategy to focus on then take units to complement it. These days if you can't decide you can just build around one of their many decurions, which will narrow the majority of your choices.

But what I'm saying is this. Your Marine list does one thing and does it well. If you try to make it do several things it will fall apart. You could take drop pods, for example, but if you do then don't bring say a Stormraven.

>>52212319
You forgot to mention that Tau players routinely play with unpainted, partially assembled models. Never base anything, ever and when they actually paint something it's a basecoat only, thick as all hell but only one coat with undercoat showing through one one accent color, applied in the same way and primer showing through for the "details".

20% chance of being pained with gloss enamel paint.

>>52212389
No I didn't.

>>52212405
You're right, I didn't read your post properly because I am dumb, but at least I expounded on it a little, can we still be friends?

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>>52212347
You'd think that, but then go read the deathwatch FAQ that nuked from orbit an already phoned-in codex.

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>>52212371
I do my best to not fit the stereotype, but I think I was doomed to be hated by /40kg/ my favorite armies are: Tau,eldar,necrons and ultra marines

I actually play a fluffy list with my own autistic backstory for my sept, so I guess it's a change of pace

>>52212438
wow, i love you anon... you take tau t-tanks!?

>>52212383
not that anon, but I was also wondering this. So thanks. Also, any advise for making a flyer heavy list?

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>skyhammer tactical squad box is only $55 on USA

wat

isn't $50 normal cost of space marine tactical squad anyway? so they are basically giving you drop pod for $5?

>>52212389
Based models are stupid
>Oh man look at this lovingly rendered little grassy base with this little sapling sticking out of the ground and this pile of skulls and other high detailed faggotry it took me nineteen hours to base this one model and it looks perfect!
>Oh we're playing on a city map and now my basing looks out of place and stupid

>>52212451
That's a devilfish. Even full WAACfags sometimes take them.

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>Orks are still shit, edition.

don't remind me

>>52212438

4 out of 4 isn't a coincidence

>>52211606
>Aos original fluff and factions:
>>52212318
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