Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

First for the Iron Warriors!

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so when are we all getting put through the metaphorical wringer for all our lovely money? I need a damn schedule for new models

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Reminder that Eldar are best race, best lists, best fluff, best wimmin

why doesn't the 7th ed quick ref sheets link work?

>>52195214
H..he's ok right?

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>>52195222
oi gitz! lookit me, I's a pansy nerd wiv a WAAK phetish

>>52195238
Ded as fuk.

China webms are some of the nastiest you'll see in the /gif/ rekt threads.

>>52195190
Being like Wulfen and still getting attacks in close combat is one thing, but I don't like the idea of them still getting attacks if they die in overwatch.

Everything else seems fine though

>>52195214
>when you're late for work and forgot to iron your shirt

>>52195238
He ded. Happens all the time in China.

>>52195238
Yeah he walked it off.

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Hey /tg/!
I have some fun games with my new heamonculi today!

First game was vs daemonkin. It went well as first, blowing up a skull cannon and blowing his bloodcrushers off the board but then I decided to charge everything in to his terminators. 4 Incubi swinging away, a succubus and a shitload of warriors but suddenly my to-wound rolls went to shit and all my characters died, sad.

He also tar-pitted my lovely dark artisan all game, failed to wound it but those 5 fucking dogs took 9 combat rounds to kill.

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>>52194580
silliness

>>52195190
>How to fix Khorne Berzerkers
Play WE and field CSM

>>52195318
A terminator survived being trod on by a titan so they should all be immune to stomp.

>>52195279
No but I got one where a worker leans in to a press to check something inside it only to accidentally press the start button.

I also got an Indian one where he takes a shit by the side of the road only to end up slipping on his own shit and falling in front of a truck.

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>>52195256

That's because Chinese people literally have no concern for the value of human life. All the shit you see where someone gets run over by a truck and the truck just keeps going, it's because the chink at the wheel is more concerned about being late with his shipment than the person he just ran over.

China has almost one and a half billion people in their country so they view individual life as meaningless/valueless as a result.

They are sub-human scum barely better than pack animals.

iradlea<

>>52195165

As a player looking at the Daemonic Incursion super-detachment, I love the benefits it brings but hate how restrictive it is regarding multi-God lists. The sheer cost of the Core formations essentially limits you to playing Mono-God, or dual-God if you take a different auxiliary.
Given how much emphasis has been placed on multi-God armies, this feels very misplaced.
I have therefore come up with 2 new Formations:

Command
Requires 4 Heralds in any combination. Skulltaker, Blue Scribes and Epidemius may be included.
All models receive Eternal Warrior.
Soul Link- All models share a communal Wound pool, equal to all of the constituent models added together. Whenever a model from this Formation is wounded, remove one Wound from this communal pool instead. When this pool reaches zero, all 4 Heralds are removed from play.
Rivalry- Models from this Formation cannot be joined to the same unit.

For example, if I were to take 4 Heralds, one of which was on a Juggernaut, I would have a communal 'pool' of 9 Wounds. It means that I have to suffer a combined 9 Wounds across any of the 4 Heralds, at which point all 4 are removed immediately. Eternal Warrior serves to remove any ID complications.


Core
Requires 1 unit of Bloodletters, Horrors, Plaguebearers and Daemonettes. All units must be equipped with an Icon of Chaos.
While it remains in play, each unit confers a special rule upon all other units within this formation: Fleet (Daemonettes), Furious Charge (Bloodletters), Defensive Grenades (Plaguebearers) and reroll failed Invulnerable saves of 1 (Horrors).

IE- While I have Daemonettes on the field, the other 3 units all benefit from Fleet. If the Daemonettes are killed or held in reserve, the others do not receive the benefit.

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>>52195311
My second game was vs my friend's tau suit list.

He's a nice guy but... his lists have the soft touch of a speeding truck. He all but tabled me turn 3 and I hadn't destroyed a single unit but my archon managed to charge and kill his commander and then hide out of LoS for 2 turns.

If he didn't fail his save to a lucky plasma shot the game could have ended there and I would have 1 more point than him, technically a victory!.

>>52195391
And removed from play effects?

>>52195311
I'm putting together a dark artisan too. What kind of load out do you use? I was planning chain flails and heat lances on the talos and spirit probe on the cronos. Not sure what to give the haemonculus other than a webway portal.

>>52195190
Quit adding FnP to units to try and balance them. it's fucking retarded and it's already old.

I wouldn't bat an eye at an extra wound but everytime people talk about making (insert random unit) better. FnP...

>>52195407
oh and orks can have limbs stapled on so they should get fnp and always be allowed to take fnp no matter the attack

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Can this be improved?

>>52195341
Terminator armour was originally for working inside plasma reactors so they should get their armour save even against AP1 weapons.

Autistic Chaosfag reporting back in: I'm assembling my Death Guard Marines and don't know what special weapons to put on them. I know proxying weapons is not a big deal, but I'd like to glue on the weapons I'll be most likely to use, sooooo... plasma, melta, or flamer?

>>52195214
Holy Shit

>>52195462
plasma is ap2

>>52195426
Not him. But I'd remove that model's max Wounds from the pool

3W Herald got removed from play = -3 Wounds to the pool.

>>52195165
Posted this at the end of last thread without realizing. Reposting.

>>52194557
>>52194606
>>52194514
I think Autocannons are severely overrated. Every Guard player swears by them as the best heavy weapon for a Guard platoon, but they have let me down every game. They are wasted on infantry, very okay against vehicles, and while they are good at scoring wounds on MCs and GMCs, it's usually pointless because they all have 2+ and 3+ and a decent chunk have FNP.

Missile Launchers beat them out in terms of a variety weapon. They instantly kill Crisis Suits, Warriors, they pierce a decent chunk of MC and GMC armor, they can actually wound AV14, they can also get ignore cover to pierce through the various Bike unit's armor and cover, but then they can also decimate hoards with ignore cover Frags rockets and in general they can score more wounds against infantry units thanks to blasts.

Give Autocannons a shot, but I personally have been let down by them time and time again.

>>52195439
I have the talos a Ichor injector to kill monsters and a heat lance to pop transports.
Chronos has just the probe.
Heamonculi has scissor hands because poison and rending help him keep with and a liquifier gun to discourage tarpits.

>>52195458
Eternal Warrior stops Instant Death.

>>52195474
melta on the vanguard, plasma on the steady advancers, AC on the backfield and flamers if you use The Purge.

>>52195462
You are a meme spouting idiot.
Terminator armor was adapted from some of the technology used in such protective suits, as well as technology from dreadnoughts and existing power armor.

You're as fucking obnoxious as those idiots who keep saying "le Leman Russ is a tractor lololol"

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What symbol do you paint on Fallen shoulder pads? GW seems to use the regular Dark Angels logo in white or red on the left pauldron and a mix of squad, chapter, or chaos icons on the right one.

>>52195404
No shit he tabled you look how fucking open that board is.

>>52195518
>You're as fucking obnoxious as those idiots who keep saying "le Leman Russ is a tractor lololol"

It should ignore difficult terrain at least.

>>52195364
Would any space marine actually treat civilians like this?

>>52195547
5pts to get a 97% pass chance.

>>52195514
What about 5 men squads in rhinos, mostly meant to hold mid field objectives?

>>52195530
I dont know, I see lots of terrain. What would you have added to make it more fair?

>>52195557
Depends on the chapter, I think salamanders basically do community service on their home world as to stay in touch with the people.

>>52195557
Marines Malevolent

>>52195458
>Plasma weapon failure

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>>52195458

> POO
> IN
> LOO

Also, is this all new terrain, or just repacks from earlier sprues?

Looks cool either way.

>>52195523
varies with the model, repentant may be da symbol, renegades blank or scratched partially off, the hateful may have a defaced da symbol or even chaos heraldry.

>>52195575
I'd class them as advancers so plasma.

Who are the nicest chaos space marine legion?

>>52195557
Depends on the chapter.

>>52195582
kek

>>52195582
Fuck you.

>>52195598
all new

>>52195557

Depends on the chapter.

Some of them view themselves as protectors of humanity, there to safeguard and serve the humans they see.

Some of them view regular humans as no better than cattle and basically dgaf.

Not sure about Black Templars, I don't know much about them other than

> A ALWAYS
> B BE
> C CRUSADING

>>52195458
Got anymore like this?

>>52195598
New stuff.

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>>52195165

>>52195604
>varies with the model
And it's appropriate to have a mix of these in the same unit?

I see Tactical, Devastator, Assault, Chaos, and Repentant here.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Fallen-Champions

>>52195668
daemon prince?

>>52195649
Because, yes, we need more shitty gore vids in the 40k general. It's not quite crappy enough in here, so let's see if we can't lower the standards even further.

>>52195598
dat skullspider.

i wonder what this will cost. probably like gangs of commoraagh?

>>52195674
The ones in Gathering storm were a mix.

>>52195364
You're missing a key aspect of it. If someone is seriously injured you can be forced to financially support them for the rest of their life. It makes you better off if you actually kill someone.

This is why all those videos exist of someone accidentally running someone over in China, then backing up and hitting them again to make sure they're dead.

>>52195668
>>52195676

Abaddon.

>>52195713
that's not drach'nyen or however the fuck you spell it

>>52195637
they seem to be of a pure martial mindset
so they respect warriors that are committed to their duty, regardless of their origin, but disdain anyone that would not rise to fight against the enemies of the Emperor

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>>52195581
He doesn't have to move an inch to shoot what he needs to.

>>52195649
Go to /gif/ and search for rekt threads, if you can stomach it.

There's a really fucking up one right there right now of a mouse being eaten alive by ants, made me think of Nids.

>>52195701
Dead man can't complain.

Same reason why here if we defend ourself you must be sure to kill.

If the bastard survives you get sued for wounding a poor man just making a living by assaulting you with a weapon inside your home.

Killing someone is about 5 years max, wounding someone 15 or more.

>>52195506
How is the liquifier gun working for you? To me 15 pts for S3 and variable AP doesn't seem worth it.

>>52195598
10 Scouts vs 10 Boys.

So the scouts win just from shooting and overwatch.

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>>52195690

Gangs of Commoragh was 16 minis and some cardboard cutout terrain and it was $60.

Shadow War: Armageddon is looking like 10 Space Marine Scouts, 10 Ork Boyz, and a huge multi-part plastic terrain chunk.

Odds are it's gonna be more than $60.

anyone know where i can download the dawn of war games and expansions?

I'm thinking of starting up a small Death watch force. Probably around 1000 points or so. I'm not really sure what's a good way to load out a lot of squads though.

I was looking to include around 3 squads of troops, one with shotguns, one with heavy weapons, and one for melee. Aside from that, I was thinking some Terminators with missile launchers and Thunder hammers, as well as some bikes.

Could I make a decent force out of that sort of stuff?

>>52195803

www.steampowered.com

>>52195787
New GW has some odd pricing.

There was a 5 model kit that costed a bit less than a SC. Think it was the GSC Acolyte or some AoS. It was later change but it was odd.

>>52195770
I only used it for two games, one vs was tau in which I got tabled pretty quick, the other was daemons who didn't give a fuck about the ap2 flamer.

I'd say I need more experience with it.

Ok, so you're playing someone at a store and they have a pretty fluffy list, some marines and a few conscripts, as they like the idea of elite troops working alongside the absolute worst.
They don't seem to be using chapter tactics, and when you take out the conscripts they roll and bring them back on.
You can't figure out why, so they pick up a model and point to a small hydra behind the knee, "Why friend. I am Alpharius."

I'm considering checking discretely if this would fly at my store, and basically proxying things like chosen as tac marines, cultists as conscripts etc and trying to build a whole list like that.

Would you be pissed or find it funny? Is it even possible?

>>52195803
unless you want the "full" story just buy soulstorm it's like $10

>>52195787
yeah but gangs were 6 reavers and 10 hellions. those models would go for $105 and the models in armageddon would go for $80.

so its not impossible that they would be similar in price

>>52195846
is tpb o now?

>>52195768
Damn the mouse one is brutal, ditto about Nids
Imagine getting caught by a pack of Hormagaunts...

>>52195768

Doesn't beat the one of the guy who plucks his own eyeball out, optical nerve snaps and everything

>>52195837

GW's investors demanded that the company not do any sales and not reduce the price of any boxed sets.

GW's new CEO responded by releasing shit like the Start Collecting and Armored Assault boxes, which is basically reducing the price of units but not breaking the promise to investors.

So basically, the price of a Space Marine Tactical Squad is going to remain $40, but for $15 more you can get a Tactical Squad and a Drop Pod in the same box.

A Captain in Terminator Armor, Tactical Squad, and Venerable Dreadnought would be around $105 if you bought them all separately. They're not lowering the price on any of those boxes, but they're making a box with all three, calling it "Start Collecting", and pricing it at $85.

>>52195861
If you were to execute it well I'd laugh and roll with it. But it'd be hard to not cross the line of just looking like a tryhard retard

>>52195886

That's as might be, but the terrain itself is pretty huge compared to a handful of tiny cardboard cutouts.

>>52195919
I wonder how much of a cucks the owners must have been to agree to such retarded thing.

Fixing price is just retarded

>>52195861
Chosen should be using Sternguard models, not Tactical.
>Or Deathwatch if they interest you.

>>52195886
>>52195952
And plastic. And huge I'm guessing that it will probably be 105-120.

>>52195970
the investors are the owners you tard.

>>52195919
Investors don't understand how long term decisions work; they're only interested in short term gains.
It fucking sucks.

>>52196071

That's pretty much it.

They want to know what you are doing to spur immediate growth RIGHT NOW, and then when next quarter comes around they want to know what you are doing to spur immediate growth RIGHT NOW that will bring your total revenue over the previous quarter and then the next quarter they want to know what you are doing to spur immediate growth RIGHT NOW and one and on it goes.

>>52196071
Well, no, because you're still going to buy the figures no matter how much they cost. This isn't some flaky new product, it's an established franchise that's three times as old as the average /40kg/ poster, and people have already voted with their wallets that these inflated prices are acceptable.

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>>52195165

Plz rate my list

>>52196123
>you're still going to buy the figures no matter how much they cost
No I'm not, I going to pick them up second hand off Ebay or convert them out of bits if I can.

Don't pretend you know me.

>>52196146
CAD needs two troops you dunce.

>>52196146
Is this a joke or is this a viable army? Because maybe I wanna play 40k again.

What are the Iron Warriors theme song?

>>52196146
you need more seekers and psychic levels

For a chaos warband, what is the best option between chosen, terminators or possessed?

>>52196154
No one gives a fuck about you, and you have absolutely no influence whatsoever on any company's profit margins. Do what you want.

>tfw bought a broadside, a devilfish, 2 fireteams, 3 crisis suits and a sniper drone squad for 40CAD
Welp, time to strip some pro paint

>>52196183
Anvil - Metal on Metal

>>52196183
https://youtu.be/bj2MdkzxsH4

You know it to be true.

>>52196272
If are playing Alpha legion: chosen
Otherwise: Terminators.
Crimson slaughter might see some use in posessed.

>>52196321
Soak in a freeer bag with the air squeezed out for massively improved efficiency.

>>52195474
Flamers. Keep it cheap

>>52196272
Flamer chosen in a combi flamer rhino is great if your meta is full of hordes
Otherwise just bring 3 termies with combi-meltas and let them drop a tank and die afterwards

Generic Scout HQ when?

>>52196370
2 plasmas per squad

>>52196361
Thanks for the heads up, I'd like to work on these boys soon

>>52196376
How are reaper autocannons on terminators? I found them good in play against hordes

>>52195919
This is what i like about the new leadership of gw. Oh we cant lower prices on a box of models? Lets make a bigger box of models and make it cheaper so they sell and make us more money! Those xmas bundles were great and unlike start collecting boxes, had units people wanted, then they went even further and made the armoured assault stuff. How many times have you told a new player, "youre gonna need a drop pod", now they are in one bundle thats cheaper than the boxes alone. Then they keep putting out boxed games with models too. This is a much better time than when i started and you picked up a $100 battleforce then get told you need an hq choice and another troop to play.

>Dread assumed destroyed in action.
>Left on a primitive world after a successful campaign
>Wanders the wilderness until he finds a mud hut town
>Tries to reassure the locals, but is a 10 foot waddling fridge with a lascannon and a missile launcher for arms, booming vox with faulty volume control for a voice
>Suddenly, bandit raid. Assholes with chaos stars and minor mutations. Chases them off.
>Townsfolk start to warm up to him.
>Raids are persistent. World is without technology better than basic bronzework.
>Nothing better to do, and besides these people need help. Becomes town guardian.
>Stares at the stars every night.
>Swiftly runs out of ammo, needs to resort to bludgeoning bandits with sheer bulk.
>Bandits live in ravines. Terrain too treacherous, narrow passes. Can't root them out. Fast riding beasts. Can only kill a few each raid, the rest free to steal and run.
>One day, a bandit tries to use a bandolier of Krak grenades left over from the war on rear armour as others distract. Local boys with sticks mob him, save the dread.
>Dread warms to boys, tells them tales of ancient battles in the stars. Teaches them what he can of the ways of battle.
>Bandit raids held off better by the coordinated effort.
>As the generations pass, the boys grow up into fine warriors, standards improve and the town becomes a thriving warrior community. Last bandits chased into their ravines and purged.
>Dread gets more and more worn down. Slower. Rusty joints.
>One morning he's found to be staring up at the stars as always, but he's not moving. Not speaking. No lights or sounds come from his chassis.
>A few years later, his chapter arrive. His body has become something of a shrine. A statue in his own honour tended to by the warriors of the town.
>Townsfolk super excited to meet the sky warriors.
>World becomes a recruiting world.

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>still no gf
>still no plastic and good looking sisters of battle models

For once I want the SJW and feminists to complain about the lack of women in this hobby

>>52195668
don't like the head but good job on the rest

>>52195499
You could almost say that the usefulness of Autocannons is inversely proportional to the amount of Tau in your meta, because they rarely rely on anything with less than a 3+ save of the cover OR armor variety for anything.

>>52196473
Shit, stick with the bolters.

>>52196469
Don't go much faster but it works better, also if you've gloves to keep whatever you clean with off your hands, don't rinse the models before you scrub, rinsing may make some of the paint re-adhere.

>>52196399
fite me fag

he said 5 men squads tho

>>52196489
Vox volume control magically fixed?

Remove that and the rest checks up for your dudes

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>>52196522
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DONT DO THAT

Next thing we know we get wimmin shoe-horned into every role without giving any creative thought to what they'd be good or bad at and it ruins the setting for autists like me, while not drawing in any long term customers or real interest aside from the initial novelty.

Think of all those trash feminist games made by gamers gurls and extrapolate.

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So, made a pixelated version of that one meme.

Thoughts?

>>52196602

I meant he can only shout. BOOMINGLY LOUD.

BE NOT CONCERNED CITIZENS

>>52196477
>had units people wanted
>electro priests
I hate their models and their rules.

>>52196489
>lascannon running out of ammo
REEEEEEEEEE
But otherwise a nice story.

>>52196642

Las weaponry runs out of ammo, yes.

>>52196376

I actually like combi-plasma because they're suicide squads anyway, get more shots if within melta range, still get shots if they scatter outside 12", and still get +1 on the damage chart.

>>52196546

He's right. Autocannons are usually great, except termies pay 25pts for theirs, which is horrendous. Use it if you want, but you're better off with a combi-plasma 90% of the time.

>>52196677
But how on a Dreadnought with its own reactor?

>>52196635
There were some exceptions obviously, but for the most part they were solid choices and almost half the price of the models separately. Who cares if it had electro priests, you can use some of the money you saved on destroyers.

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>>52196734

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>>52196793
>>52196734

And a zoom in to the relevant part in case you need it.

>>52196818
Huh, okay.

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Thinking of starting grey knights, wanted to work towards this list. Meta is semi competitive

+++ Grey knights (Warhammer 40,000 7th Edition v2017) (1847pts) +++

++ Combined Arms Detachment (Grey Knights: Codex (2014) v2010) (1847pts) ++

+ HQ (300pts) +

Librarian (160pts) [Domina Liber Daemonica, Nemesis warding stave, Psyker [ML 3]]

Librarian (140pts) [Nemesis warding stave, Psyker [ML 3], Storm bolter]

+ Elites (914pts) +

Paladin Squad (346pts)
Apothecary [Nemesis force sword]
Paladin (banner+special) [Brotherhood banner, Psycannon]
Paladin (special weapon) [Nemesis force halberd, Storm bolter]
Paladin (special weapon) [Nemesis force halberd, Storm bolter]
Paladin (special weapon) [Nemesis force halberd, Storm bolter]

Paladin Squad (352pts)
Apothecary [Nemesis force sword]
Paladin [Two Nemesis falchions]
Paladin [Two Nemesis falchions]
Paladin [Two Nemesis falchions]
Paladin (banner+special) [Brotherhood banner, Psycannon]

Purifier Squad (216pts) [Rhino]
Knight of the Flame [Nemesis warding stave]
4x Purifier (falchions) [8x Nemesis falchion]
Purifier (psilencer) [Psilencer]

+ Troops (398pts) +

Terminator Squad (202pts)
3x Terminator (falchions) [6x Nemesis falchion]
Terminator (psycannon) [Nemesis force sword, Psycannon]
Terminator Justicar [Nemesis warding stave]

Terminator Squad (196pts)
3x Terminator (halberd) [3x Nemesis force halberd]
Terminator (psycannon) [Nemesis force sword, Psycannon]
Terminator Justicar [Nemesis warding stave]

+ Heavy Support (235pts) +

Nemesis Dreadknight (235pts) [Gatling Psilencer, Heavy Psycannon, Nemesis greatsword and power fist, Personal teleporter]

Also any idea on what gun this is? Really want to do this conversion

>>52196864

Man that is a really poorly placed bayonet.

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>>52195165

Am I high-tier yet?

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WHY ARE THEIR ARMIES SO SHIT

>>52196916

Why are you listing Sisters with those two shit armies?

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Do all nids change colour to match their environment or only dedicated camouflage bugs like lictors?

>>52195454
Anyone?

>>52196898

Are you aware that the Sanguinary guard doesn't actually have that many members?

>>52196931
When your basic infantry are metal sculpts from the mid 90s, you are not a high tier army.

>>52196916
lack of support from devs and model makers

>>52195255
I get the feeling that weirdboy was promptly beaten to death because Orks don't understand the concept of irony or parody

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Is this too much terminator for 1500 points?

>>52196962

And that makes you bottom 3?

Sisters have garbage flexibility, but are perfectly capable of competence at what they do have units for. Mid tier.

>>52197000
So what would you say are bottom 3? orks and nids are a given, but really, what else is down there these days? Guard maybe?

>>52196987
No.

The weirdboy was beaten to death by his fellow orks because they mistook him for an eldar farseer.

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>>52196987
Still good fer a larf!

>>52197028
Solo deldar, Temp Sci.

>>52196633
Yes but then the people won't want him story telling at max volume by the fire they will just want him to shut the fuck up

>>52197028

Used to be Chaos Marines, now it's Deldar.

Which isn't to say Deldar can't be okay in the right hands with the right build. They're not old bottom three tier, just one of those bottom three got promoted over them by the traitor legions supplement.

>>52197046
What's wrong with scions?

And let's be honest. sisters are a one trick pony, deldar are not in a good place, but they can -probably- take sisters in the hands of a competent player.

>>52196522
http://www.themarysue.com/warhammer-40k-gender-representation/

here ya go fag

>>52196962
True, but they are not scrub tier like Nids or Orks.

SoB are top mid tier. Mostly due to BBS, Dominions, Seraphims and Exorcist.

Can I save time and effort by just thinning my paints directly in the pot?

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>>52196987
what's it like to be no fun? i hear it's a livable condition helped by watching funny cat videos on youtube

>>52197083
They're 1/5th of a codex.

>>52197091
No.

>>52197091
You can, but if you're too thin you'll need a new pot. And after you' ve emptied your old pot it might be hard getting the exact same colour tone you had before.

>>52196987
Orks LOVE irony, like when they were unable to make planet-fall due to a heavily armed space station they snick onboard the station, killed the crew and used IT to raze the planet.

>>52196864
It's usually better to spam more terminators rather than taking Paladins. Because more terminators can't be ID'd.

But what your army is really missing is some Interceptors. You really need more than just the one NDK as fast moving units.

>fighting temptation to post spreadsheet of points-per-shot ratio on a unit per unit basis for psycannons.

I might have issues.

>>52197090
I wouldn't go that far. There's like one build for sisters that actually works, and most of the codex is either useless, or stuck in the same slot as something much, much better.

>>52197090
>b-but top mid tier
>the dumb tool purchased old overpriced metal figurines to play one viable build to be top mid tier

Shit army

>>52197083
5 pages does not a codex make.

>>52196992
>1 terminator squad
>too much
Keep hating all you want.

>>52197145
I was under the impression that the little grey knights were bad, bringing the same poor shooting with far less survivability and threat in melee

>>52196864
Dreadknights would be cooler if they had more loadouts that looked like just fuckhueg weapons platforms carrying super/heavy weapons.

Or that one super-sized terminator conversion

>>52197245
I am new, so if I made a faux pa I am not aware.

I suppose I should clarify, is one assault termy squad with SS/TH and Lysander, only using deep strike viable?

I am not hating, I think SS/TH terminators are cool. I want to use them and lysander at 1250 and am trying to make something viable to do so. LGS plays at 1250, so I am limited to that.

If you have a better suggestion I am open to it.

>>52197186
Unless facing Eldar, marines or Tau.

There are only two unites I never use Celestians and Repentias. Even then just Celestians (Celestian Command squad is different thing and with IA is actually way more useful) are awful bad.
Repentias can troll kill knights.

Castellans made my life easier by actually making PE rather "decent" with hatred.

Note: at 1850 points you can have 6x BSS with HF+F inside an Immolator, 3xMelta Dominions inside Immolator and 3 Exorcist and still have points to spare for HQ and upgrades

That alone is very efficient till you face broken tier things.

>>52197282
Castellans is a pretty troll list because of the crazy shit you can pull. Lets you do insane things with RAW thanks to everything having more or less the formation as a faction, rather than book restrictions.

>>52196123
>not wanting your hobby to be able to reach to a wider market and be able to enjoy games with a wider variety of people

>>52197225
For an army that has the same bloody copy pasted codex since what 4th? (WD codex thingy) still working relatively well with no bullshit crap it is rather good.

Also who the fucks pays full price for SoB today, recast and alternative models everyday!

The chance for an update was a decade ago, now I just wait for the squat

So what is the ultimate base unit to use when stacking characters into it to make an imperial deathstar?

ARMAGEDDON A good place to die

>https://regimental-standard.com/2017/03/15/armageddon-officially-the-best-place-to-die/

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>>52197083
Given a full codex for such a tiny army.

>>52197268
I wish I could do that conversion but I'm not nearly good enough with green stuff.

IDK what else to do for the knight, he looks too dorky for migraines I agree that I wish he was a heavy weapons platform

>>52197311
The note was with a single CAD, 6 Troops, 3 fast and 3 heavy.

With Castellans I can have 6, 16 point psykers walking behind my transports or Exorcist for those sweet Prescience or shrieks.
Thanks Inquisition Codex! With Coteaz you can have troll Objective Secure 3 man squad hiding behind LoS blocking crap

>>52197282
I know, that's basically my list. I drew against a local really terrible eldar player, but anyone else at my local club would probably have me tabled by turn three. Even he came close.

Also, eldar, marines and tau makes up most of the playerbase these days.

(I am an oldfag, playing with a witch hunters era army, plus a bunch of second rate conversions and recasts until my raging heroes shows up. I also have no idea what a castellans is.)

>>52197396
They really do need to have no range limit. Make Clarion Vox Net special rule either remove the range, or double the effective range.

>>52197426
Castellans is basically a double CAD the formation.
Pretty much let's you have anything from the marine, IG, SoB and Inquisition codex in the same army without worrying about allies or other things.

>>52196005
Anyways they said the rules would be free or sumthin like that

>>52197465
I assume that's some kind of gathering storm bullshit?

>>52197482
The first book, the one that has Celestine aka the not a SoB, SoB model.

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>>52197394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIsv1YOFNys

>>52196489

I like it.

Fluffy as fuck.

>>52195637
Chaplain Grimaldus was nice to a little girl in Helsreach

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>>52196992

> First introduction to the 40K Universe was the Space Hulk PC game in the early 90s
> Play the shit out of it and the sequel, Vengeance of the Blood Angels
> Think Terminators are cool as shit
> They look cool, have huge armor, bigass weapons, stomp around fucking up Tyranids
> Play other 40K videogames but still think Terminators are the coolest
> Finally pick up a Start Collecting box and start playing tabletop
> Get a small squad of Terminators
> Turns out they're not that great on the board

It sucks man. Sure a two up save is nice, but with enough dice you're bound to roll a 1 eventually.

Now I know why the guys at Top Gear tell you to never drive your dream car.

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>>52197614

Grimaldus is nice to everyone, even eldar

but when he enters on zealous badass mode, GTFO

Helsreach is a prime example of it

>>52197666
Terminators are the most iconic unit in 40k to me. I know that feel. Make terminators great again when?

>>52197666
Every codex goes through that.
DoW taught me that Crisis Suits were elite, rare, and powerful lone warriors as opposed to spammable MEQs, for example.

>>52195765
This is an accurate summary of the Templars' mentality.

>>52192591 #
1. Use the Subterranean Uprising and MSU if you want to win. Against weaker codexes, mix in Tyranids to go softer.
2. No-one knows shit about 8th edition.
3. Decent start, but it's kind of hard to go wrong.
4. Order some extra torsos & legs with every box of Hybrids. I've been making 5 Metamorphs & 5 Acolytes out of every box. Also, keep an eye out for people selling just "1st and 2nd gen" genestealer cultists from DWOK: you can sometimes net 12 for like $40.

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Speaking of Terminators, how should I base mine if they're all painted like this?

I've never based anything before so I'm thinking of just playing it safe and gluing sand down, washing it with agrax earthshade, and gluing in some scrubbrush or whatever, but I'm open to other suggestions since it would be nice to not have the exact same basing that every other person in my meta has.

>>52197838
Some sort of steel flooring/floor grates, like he's advancing through a voidship.

I just learned that Chaos Dreadclaw drop-pod don't actually eat models at the start of the game thanks to RAW involving reserves and email confirmations from forgeworld.

Does that make them a better option for transporting stuff like assault squads or Dreadnoughts?

>>52197729
Same guy

I dunno about Eldar, but other than that you're definitely correct.

He may not be in much, but Grimaldus (the most metal name ever) is one of my favorite characters in 40k.

>>52197729


would grimaldus be 40k maxwell from wing due to his sheer badassery and feats?

>>52197733

Would giving them back their 3+ on 2D6 rule work?
I'm not sure how you'd handle Pen rules for that though. I think the last time they had that Penetration was a straight up Minus to your armour roll.

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Thinking of picking up some Orks, getting one of these, and turning it into an Ork party bus.

Yeah I know they're shit on the table i2 etc etc but I think they'd be fun as shit to paint and model stuff for.

>>52197950

Just making them 2 wound models would make them worth their points.

A genetically engineered superhuman wearing 800lbs of borderline indestructable armor should not have the same amount of wounds as a grot.

>>52197950
just straight up letting them re-roll their 2+/5++ saves would make them good again

I havent played 40k since the end of 5th edition but I recently moved somehwere that has a club and I might be interested in returning. However after doinghistoricals for the past 5 years Im not keen on buying many GW products due to their excessive cost. Is foot IG still viable? And if so would I be able to use historical figures to at least represent the infantry?

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>>52195766
>The hover-disc Haemonculus
You make me proud anon. That was some quick work from grey plastic to painted.

>>52197950
You could do penetration normally. The heavy weapons back then basically made the terminator need a 9, so a 5++ invuln is actually better for that in some ways.

Does anyone have a PDF of Gangs of Commorragh? I couldn't find it in the OP.

"I just want to cry and never wake up"

guess the army

>>52198055
Ultramarine

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Is it any good, /40kg/?

>>52197734
I'd say the Guard codex comes as close to a perfect representation of the faction as you can get.

>Fluff: Faction of many weak infantry that rely on chain of command to get work done.
Tabletop: Faction of many weak infantry that use orders to achieve greatness.

>Fluff: Takes tough vehicles in large numbers
Tabletop: This is my CAD. It has 15 AV14/13/10 tanks!

The only exception I can think of is pask's cheese grater of doom.

>>52198112
ehh
there's cool parts
there's ok parts
and there's retarded parts

watch it if you have nothing else to do but avoid it if you're fluff maniac

>>52198112
It's plodding and the visuals are not top quality. It's got very mild twists and turns if you absolutely love Space Marines/stories that follow a small squad on a trek.

>>52198112
lacking

the guy with the scope is better than the main character

>>52198112
Not even Chaplain John Hurt could save it.

>>52198112
The trailer looked pretty ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vu1qZCG6Yo8

>>52198164
the chaplain was a cool guy, too bad half of the cast dies in stupid ways

>>52196845
Besides which, something as powerful as a lascannon would suffer from heavy degredation of the lenses. Eventually the weapon would fail to focus the beam properly, which could lead to all sorts of effects from the glass melting and destroying the weapon, to the glass deforming and turning the gun into a sorta laser shotgun.

>>52198164
And Terence Stamp, no less.

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Hey, so I'm pretty new to 40k as a wargame, having been a fan of the models, rpgs and lore in general for a while, and my friends and I have all gotten into it together, with three of us being new to the game and another getting back into it after selling his Daemons.

I picked Tau, the others have Orks, Dark Eldar, and Necrons.

I'm aware that this isn't the fairest of match ups, but they all have much more disposable income then I do, and I was wondering if pic related was worth getting since I'll only be able to update my army semi-rarely and I would like the most bang for my buck.

I don't want to be the cheesiest or super competitive, mostly playing games with my friends, but if I do decide to go to the local store to play, I'd rather not get completely trounced.

I already have the start collecting box, which I'm still struggling to think of crisis load outs, and two boxes of fire warriors.

Will the cadre keep me going for a while?

>>52198206
Just don't take any formations and you'll probably be fine.

>>52197992
meh

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Which is the more fluff-compliant color schema for an IF chaplain?

>>52198112
No. Very jarring visuals and a lack of knowledge on the writer's part

>Second company ultramarines have somehow never been in a battle
>Chaplains are fucking magic apparently

>>52198206
In terms of viability, Targeted Recon is a great formation. Giving your Broadsides relentless or letting your sloggers move twice every turn gives you a huge positional advantage. The only reason you rarely see it is because the Retaliation Cadre, Hunter Contingent, Riptide Wing, OSC, etc all are just insanely good.

>I'm aware that this isn't the fairest of match ups
You're going to fucking learn what it means to be a meme very fucking soon, especially if you only have a Start Collecting box and this thing.
Protip: Riptide/Stormsurge spam Tau lists don't actually win tournaments, and you have neither. Guess what's going to happen.

>>52198255
Neat, so is the box worth getting then if I just do a combined arms detachment?

>>52198269
I'd say black with yellow pauldron
that's the std scheme for a chaplain but there are variations according to the chapter

>>52198269
Black.

>>52198277
Huh, well neat. Thanks for the insight, I won't be expecting to keep my friends or make new ones.

At least they'll be painted!

>>52198301
>>52198304
Thanks

>>52198112
It's really, really bad. Unless your standards are abysmal, don't watch it, you won't get any satisfaction from it.

>>52198308
You misunderstood. You're going to get your shit pushed in. Tau only performs """well""" if they bring their MCs or hardtailor their lists, which you literally can't do with your current collection. You don't even have a source of markerlights other than a handful of drones, so enjoy your shooty army at BS3.

>>52198206
>Necrons
He'll be fine, might be a bit harder for the others though. But more importantly, have fun and don't be that guy.

>>52195314
Where do you make those templates?

>>52197992
Ebay

>>52198271
>>Chaplains are fucking magic apparently

You doubt the abilities of your chaplain? Oh you better believe that's a paddlin'.

>>52198351
That literally answers none of my questions

>>52198357
If my chaplain blasted people away with telekinetic force I wouldn't doubt him at all.

Wouldn't doubt that he was a fucking mutant witch that is.

>>52198271
>>52198357
we agreed that crozius was a Dorn level relic capable of issuing flames towards heretics

>>52198333
I did misunderstand. That's fine though, like I said, I don't really care that much about winning, I just want to move my dudes against my friends dudes.

>>52197954
puppetswar already makes an ork bus model

>>52198333
Since you know what you're talking about, and I clearly don't, what should I get next, how should I build up?

>>52195165
>orks are a meme
If you think about, all living things are just memes with a physical form

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>>52198357
>USING FOUL WARP MAGIC IN THE EMPERORS NAME
GET A LOAD OF THIS HERETIC

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>walmart stops making my favorite can of 99cent flat black primer ive used for years

>spend $20 on a can of chaos black from GW
>leaves shitty texture all over my models and clogs all details

>>52198464

Krylon, my friend. It's a little more expensive than the good ol' wal mart brand shit, but it's less than three dollars a can and it's just as good.

>>52198464
I heard they stopped selling all model supplies, what's the deal?

>>52198524
I can only trust Rust-o-leum. Never had a good Krylon can.

>>52198464
Chaos Black isn't a primer.

>>52198543

Rust-o-leum's good too (arguably better quality), but their plastic-friendly primer's like six bucks a can over here.

>>52198464
Try airbrush primer and you will never want to touch a rattlecan again

>>52198567
Ouch, the plastic primer is the same price as the other paints for me.

I am preparing to paint my chaplain, I've never done black before. I've only painted IF tacticals and assmarines; does anyone have a good method for painting black?

>>52198550
>using actual primer on your plastic minis

enjoy never being able to strip them

>>52198604
Super clean takes off primer just fine

>>52198595
Go for a basecoat of black, and then layer that with a very dark grey. I go for a lA
Ayer of Eshin Grey over Abaddon Black for my force, but you could go darker. The key is to not have it a flat black in order to let details still show.

>>52198595

Check Warhammer TV for Big Daddy Duncan's tutorial on how to paint blacks.

>>52198648
Ok I will check it out

>>52198646
I have chaos black for priming, I hope it's still good lol

>>52195454
>>52196951
Do people just hate Tzeentch lists? Anyone familiar with the army?

>>52198604
Why would I want to strip primer?

>>52198464
did you prime it right or did you spray each model for 20 minuets?

>>52196123
>the average 40k poster is a 10 year old girl

He's on to us, Aya-chan!

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How's my list?

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>>52198887

Hurry Miyuki-chan help me get the nids before they find us desu.

>>52195447
FNP makes sense for cult marines from a lore standpoint.

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>>52198817
>that feel when you've over primed

how do i repent for my sins anon?

>>52196941
Just a few forms. Mainly lictors, maybe some kinds of genestealers. But im sure theres fluff somewhere of nids adapting to a snow environment and growing white fur or something.

Tl:Dr Main fluff says they stick to hive fleet colours, but you could probably swing it if you tried hard enough

>>52196941
depends on the fleet in question

many will mutate the local environment into their own brand of camouflage, though

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>>52196941
Only the sneaky nids will change their color.

whats 7th edition foot guard like

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>>52199277

>>52199328
welp guess im not coming back to 40k then

>>52196916
Andy Chambers Left

>>52199354
Just wait a few months and hope things improve in 8th. It'll most likely hit in June already.

>>52199354
proper platoon guard can shake things up a little with sheer target saturation, depending on what you're playing against

not many will be going home to their families, though

>>52199354
Honestly I'm exaggerating a bit, IG are mid tier and veterans are good it's just I haven't seen a good IG list without some combination of wyverns/a leman russ/other factions allied in though.

>>52199354

Footslogging guard has always been mass suicide. Do you not understand the concept of a horde army?

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What're your thoughts about a new human army being made by robot girlyman?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/40k-rumors-guilliman-planning-new-space-marines.html

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Hey /tg/ what are you fuckers up to?
Finally got to play a game today at 3k I had to go against five Lords if War,four Knights and Guilliman, and wasn't that bad. But I am pretty happy that I just got a Shadowsword because I am so tired of superheavies fucking up my shit.

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>>52196971
>>52196962
They're doing alright.

>>52199459

Did your guardsmen survive that?

>>52199486

Presumably THE D

>>52196953
Is that true? Not him, I just don't know anything about their fluff but I think they look cool so I am converting some into Warp Talons for my Emperor's Children army.

>>52199459
Is that image edited?

That shit looks like one of those "one part is focused but the rest is shaken up as fuck" images.

Also, holy shit that is a shiny blue.

>>52199459
>unpainted guilliman
Anyways I've been touching up an old AoBR captain to use as an honour guard. Still need to find a third member for the unit.

>>52195165
>Orks a meme race
You say dat like itz a bad fing...

>>52199277
>>52199354
It's actually REALLY fucking good if you have the models for it.

And by models I mean you need 175 MINIMUM GUARDSMEN and 3 Sentinels.

It's called the Emperor's Shield Infantry Company and you run it in a Cadian Battlegroup, giving you 3d6 (take lowest) on your orders, a 24" range on orders, and naturally get re-rolls of 1s to hit with all lasguns.

>>52199459
>3k
>Opponent takes 5 LoW choices

I remember why I hate the people who play this game.

>>52199425
>Rowboat Girlyman planning new spacemarines
ULTRAMARINES ON SUICIDE WATCH!

>>52199544
name something that isn't a meme.

>>52199565
>"Our glorious Primarch has returned to us! Surely he will be pleased with our achievements and exploits!"
>immediately plans new marines
>"WE HAVE FAILED IN THE EYES OF OUR FATHER!"

>>52199425

Here is my theory on how the next bit of 40k story is going to work out:

> Radbutt Girlyman is back
> He's super pissed off over how shithouse the Imperium has become over the last 10,000 years
> Decides to create his own bigger, badder, beefier Space Marines specifically to fight Chaos
> Chaos makes a massive incursion into Imperial Space, end up on the doorstep of Terra
> Rowboat and the Beefcake Marines stomp Abbadon's shit in for good
> Girlyman and the Big Guy Marines then start Great Crusade 2.0
> Shit is going great, xenos scum are trembling at the mere thought of running into them, damn it feels good to be an Imperial
> This goes on for a while but oh hey remember Tyranids?
> With Chaos BTFO and xenos running scared humanity focuses their energy at the Tyranid threat
> Tyranids get set back in battle after battle but end up stubbornly advancing every time
> It's only a matter of time until they reach Terra
> Eventually they get to the Solar System, humanity throws everything it has at them in a desperate attempt to stop them before they reach Holy Terra
> No use
> They get to Terra
> Turns out the entire thing was a cunning ruse by the Emperor
> He was calling them through the warp the entire time, luring them to Terra
> The Emperor's will is the only thing stopping chaos from opening portals on Terra and invading
> Now that the Tyranids are casting a shadow on the Warp, the Emperor's body can finally die without warpstorms happening and chaos invading
> Now free of his decaying corpse, the Emperor is reborn
> He then kicks the shit out of the Tyranids, eradicating them from the galaxy (they get squatted)
> Now the Emperor himself can team up with Girlyman and the Big Guy Marines to fuck shit up all over the galaxy

I don't know, probably bullshit, but it's fun to think about

>>52199503

I believe there are 30 sanguinary guard, and that includes the named but not given game stats leader who should probably be represented as something fancier.

>>52199565
>Girlyman finally comes back
>Ultramarines finally get to hang out with their genedaddy
>lolnope
>Guilliman chills out with a bunch of xenos, witches, machine men, bitches in titty armor and Cato Sicarius instead.
>Then he shuts down the Ultramarines library for the lulz.

>>52199585
>Sigmarizing a faction out of 40k

I mean, that's never a good thing to do, but since it's Tyrannids I'm oka-

>wait no im not i just started GSC as a small side army

Then again GSC are like the nids models we never knew we wanted and it's a better codex, with fluffier context when you think about it. If nids get sigmar'd they'd be even better in terms of fluff, because it's the cults trying to reach out to other fleets and call their glorious gods back to the folds of the galaxy.

Alternatively, Big E could in theory dominate the hive mind and figure out what it's running from. Remember that was one of the plot hooks, for a while.

>>52199623
He left the 3 competent leaders in charge of shit back home and took the glory hog as a meatshield.

Makes sense to me

ALAS, I HAVE DECIDED TO DO A WORLD EATERS ARMY!

What do I run in a chaos warband?

No memes, serious opinions only. Do you think 40k will still be fully supported as a tabletop wargame twenty years from now? Will Brick and Mortar GW stores still exist?

>>52199614
Well, 10 of them fell to Slaanesh now I guess.

Can Black Templars do footslogging with Grimaldus and Helbrecht using Castellans of the Imperium?

Didn't get to do it for years half-effectively and that detachment seems like one of my best chances to pull it off, even if I have to use a dirty Psyker from one of the other factions.

>>52199657

20 years from now we're gonna have hologram tables and hologram miniatures

>>52199666
Why a psyker satan? You can just take a cheap priest for the same effect.

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>>52199565

Oh you have returned glorious lord of Ultramar. Sit back while I, Cato Sicarius, regale you on the great deeds that I, Cato Sicarius, have done as the greatest space marine chapter in the imperium as the greatest space marine since I, Cato Sicarius, joined the blessed chosen of Ultramar...wait...my lord, what are you doing.

>>52199650
I imagine the honour guard and first company weren't too happy about it.

>finally get to campaign with your gene-sire and he brings the chapter monkey along
>I could be purging heretics with Marneus or Severus right now

>>52199657

Does it matter?

By then you'll be able to buy a 3D printer for $50 that will make better minis than Forge World's shitcast for pennies. There will always be people who want to play 40K, regardless of whether GW exists or not. The game is having it's 30th anniversary this year.

More likely we'll all be playing 40K with strangers around the world using some sort of VR cable that plugs directly into the back of our skulls or something, but even if that's the case it wouldn't be so bad. I mean you'd never have to paint your minis and you could also masturbate during your opponent's turn.

>>52199689
THIN
YOUR
LIGHT BEAMS

>>52199585
>damn it feels good to be an Imperial

I have never seen fanboy fluff miss the point of the setting so entirely.

You should feel ashamed for writing this nonsense.

>>52199716
kek

>>52199666
Satan, please. Everyone knows you can't footslog Marines. Especially BTs. With no metal boxes of any kind, they're just too vulnerable.

Also
>deliberately taking Psykers from other books because you can't run them
Heresy/10 would summarily execute. You're lucky the codex only specifies 'Librarians' cannot be taken and not 'Psykers' cannot be taken.

>>52199666
Why footslog, Satan? The Black Templars created the Land Raider Crusader for a damn reason.

>>52199702

When Cato Sicarious threw himself from the top of the fortress monestary, Maranus Calgar shed a single tear because, for the first time in his long life, he finally knew happiness.

>>52199689
Isn't that just a video game in real 3d space?

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>>52199718

GW itself doesn't get the point of the setting anymore

>>52199702
Sicarius actually gets hand-picked by Guilliman to lead a quartet of 1st Company Veterans and an Honor Guard to serve as his retinue


Bruva Alfabusa if you're here, we desperately need you to have a little blurb video of Cato Sicarius losing his collective shit because Senpai Guilliman noticed him.

>>52199696
Was thinking from a rules perspective. Things like Shrouding (mostly Shrouding, really) would be incredibly useful already.

>>52199735
Because you can't run 20 man blobs inside those Land Raiders, nor can I have Grimaldus drive around in one with the rest of the army. If I could, I'd just take a Land Raider Spearhead, stuff a bunch of Templars in them with Grimaldus and have a field day rolling up the table.

>>52199729
Need to take another faction anyway, might as well make the best of it when I'm already playing the weakest Space Marine chapter right now.

>>52196477
now they just need to un fuck Australia and New Zealand pricing and ill be happy.
>Be living in NZ
>Love 40k
>want Imperial guard
>look at pricing for forgeworld compared to games-workshop
>Platoon of DKOK only $30 more expensive

Looks like gas masks and trench coats it is

>>52199777
But you can fit 15, and that's enough.

>>52199459
Played a single Path to Glory match(we just rolled for units) against my Guard buddy last night with my GK. We also used the Daemonic Adversaries rules. It was going pretty well in my favor until turn 3 where his Platoon Commander turned into a Bloodthirster because I could only make 2 6's and a bunch of 2's on the deny the witch test. That was probably the only time I ever wished I had rolled 1's. And then the Bloodthirster proceeded to fuck my ass and I ended up getting tabled on turn 5. At least I got 3 Vortexes of Doom out on the table, but none of them scattered to the Bloodthirster. We had a fun time, but I just don't know what to do anymore to try and win with my GK.

>>52199774
What happened to Calgar?

>>52199656

I'm a totally different legion, but I do CSM with a plasma/combi, 2 melta raptors, AC Havoks, and combi-plas termicide as my baseline. I'd imagine WE would want something else.

>>52199804
Calgar is still Papa Smurf, after all. He's there running the Smurf's little blue pocket empire.

>>52199381
The true God among men.

Duncan and Ward are saints at best.

What did Cato Sicarius say to the God Emperor of Mankind?
Nothing. Why would he talk to himself?

>>52199801
Team up with skitarii, let the GK run a deep strike distraction with a dreadknight and have the skitarii bring up the long ranged rear.

>>52199837
>Little pocket Empire
>More worlds than the Tau Empire
>GW still think Tau are relevant in any way

Fucking GW you are ruining 40k

>>52199656
like, the formation or just in general?

If you're gonna do them as batshit insane Berserkers, there's that. You could run a mixed brigade of 2 and 2 squads, 2 sets of Berserkers and 2 CSM Squads with an Aspiring Champion in each, paint them up as 30k models but splatter a bunch of red on them and defaced symbols as a means to show models are succumbing to the bloodlust and Khorne's call to battle, seeking to achieve the level of oneness with the Lord of Skulls that their brothers have reached.

Reaper Cannons > Heavy Bolters

Dirge casters on Rhinos are essential if you're not running any LRs.

Melta are more your friends than plasma, use them as vanguard units to pop tanks and eat overwatch for the big red fucksticks to tear to shreds.

>>52199854
>my pride of the Imperium being relegated to serving distraction duty while some beep boops tear shit up

Ouch...

>>52199777
Rather than taking Psykers, why not take things like Priests and Ecclesiarchy models? Go the fluffy route. Don't bitch out and dip into questionable builds just because you can/want to, even when clearly in the books it's written that BTs do not like Psykers. Previous editions even had the rule as 'Abhor the Witch' but recently they had a derpening where it was said "just the non-imperial psykers are bad"

>>52199956
I know that my dudes don't like Psykers and used to stay as far away from them as from Chaos itself. It's just that playing a Black Tide is so impossibly hard to get into close combat these days that I feel like I'd need some outside help.

>>52199702
>Ork Kommando pulls up wooden 'Ultramarine' mask and stares at Calgar in bewilderment
Ya know wez woulda 'illed da git fer free, roight? No need ta do et yerself.
>pulls mask back down

>>52199918

> 10,000 years ago the Imperium was fighting a titanic civil war consisting of thousands of worlds spanning the entire galaxy
> Tau were blue cavemen throwing rocks at each other

>>52200017
Tau didn't even exist 10,000 years ago. They were cavemen in like M33 or so. Warpstorm clouded that entire fucking sector, then suddenly in M39(someone fact check for me, I'm not too sure) they were super advanced and shit.

So, what's the better use of a Land Raider: as distraction and a singular tank or to actually try and drive things up the board?

>>52200064
Tau got internet cheat codes with Ethereal.
When your entire race stops murder and fucking it each and cooperating by some magical anime protagonist plot armour, you can do anything in short time.

I'm sad they reckton the hint about the Tau learning warp travel from an old Imperial Ship. Generic ancient moon aliens doesn't cut it. Specially when there was a human fleet about to purge your world. But you luck out

>>52200157
termie delivery force

>>52200157
You should at least put something in it. If they blow it up, the thing got further up the board. If they don't, you've got it right in their face.

>>52200173
I really hope that the Tau did end up being "seeded" or aided in some way by the Eldar and then one of the Trollcrons left his big ass Sword for Farsight to find so that they Tau split and they can eventually have another War in Heaven, but this time featuring blueberries.

>>52199553
Try
>1500
>screamerstar
>Lord of change
>kairos
>d thirster

I had scatbike ynnari and felt like i was playing orks

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>tfw you get a new army together and are really excited to try it out but no one shows up at your LGS to play with you

>>52200320
>been wanting to play a match in forever because your friends can't get together except for their lunch break from work at 2am
>finally get a game in at GW
>It's a newbie

I don't mind teaching people, but I'm a terrible teacher because even I don't completely understand/remember some of the rules.

>>52199486
They did they multi charged two Knights and Guilliman and the Commissar caused two wounds on him and a Sergeant managed to kill a Knight with a lucky melta bomb too during the combat.

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>>52200372

Think of it like an investment.

If you do a good job teaching the new person now, eventually they'll become a solid, competent player that you can get games in against.

Or they'll turn into a cheating waacfag, but them's the risks you take I guess.

>>52200372
Im a horrible player but a great teacher, everytime i play a new player with their ham handedly painted army and total misunderstanding of every rule they end up doing extremely well. One guy almost tabled me and won by points in his first game ever

>tau seriously are easy mode