Age of Sigmar General /aosg/

>>52186325
Ok these skyship dorfs are pretty cool.

>>52186325
this blurs the lines so hard, my mind is abuzz with mechanicus conversions

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>>52186325
>steampunk dworf sky pirates.

Where did everything go so right?

>>52186325
Are they going to release every race with heavy armor plated elite units?
First humans, then orcs, now this.

I would like to see it done for elves, but im getting a little tired of it

NOT MUH DORFS

>>52186441
The Fyreslayers were so naked they had to compensate for that.

>>52186441
Probably wraith contruction clones
Also, it's not elite forces, regular duardins

>>52186453
Calm down, regular Dorfs still live in Sigmar's basement.

>>52186484
I really doubt these guys will be on the field in the same numbers as dispossessed

So far we have seen a regular infantry unit of 10 models (might be min5?) an elite unit of 5 models, a fast unit of 3 models, multiple heroes, and war zeppelins. It doesn't seem like an infantry heavy army to me. It is almost identical in structure to the ironjawz release:

Brutes (5)
'Ardboyz (10)
Gore-Gruntas (3)
2 Behemoth (Megaboss on Mawkrusha, Gordakk)
Various heroes

We have been hearing rumours about these dwarves since last march so it would make sense if they were designed around the same time but delayed the launch. This would explain why the release seems to have the same structure as the Ironjawz release.

A mini faction release seems like a step backwards from the great format of the Tzeentch and Stormcast releases earlier this year.

What if GW was planning to bring back WFB as Warhammer:historical

>>52186582
Why would they bring it back?

You can still play WHFB. Nobody is stopping you.

So when GW squat all old armies, since they didn't match AoS models scale?

>>52186641
If they were going to do that, they would have done it when they got rid of Brettonia and Tomb Kings.

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>>52186591
I tried asking this in wip but nobody answered. How big are crypt horrors compared to the boars orcs ride? Was thinking of making some boarmen beastmen.

>>52186654
yeah, but look at size of new dwarves, they are at SM size. It's pretty obvious that AoS infantry much larger

>>52186325

Holy fucking squats.

>>52186664
didn't mean to quote sorry
>>52186591

>>52186669
How can you tell the scale from these pictures?

>>52186325
Well shit.

I was all set to start my scientist/astronomer stormcasts. But now there's dwarf sky pirates.

I don't know what to do /aosg/

>>52186680
Base size

>>52186706
32mm is the default for AoS. Every new release comes with 32mm round bases unless they need bigger.

Real general is here:
>>52186224
>>52186224
>>52186224

>>52186706
how do you know what size of base it is?

>>52186552
>I really doubt these guys will be on the field in the same numbers as dispossessed
Of course no, the point was they are not elite forces it's usual duardins, while dispossessed are just npc/militia

>>52186722
>age of smegma
Kill yourself

>>52186722
Fuck off, Anon.

>>52186725
Thickness - height proportion, it's tactical marine base

>>52186730
Leave.

Do not stay.

Exit the thread.

Depart.

Mosey on out of here.

Get out.

Vamoose.

>>52186741
Which are 32mm.

>>52186718

>>52186746
>NPC in denial

>>52186765
Worse.

Beastmen player.

I know NPC status.

>>52186718
>32mm is the default for AoS.
That was the point.

>>52186741
christ m8 that's impressive you can tell a round base apart from other round bases with nothing around to compare them to.

>>52186772
Meaning that they aren't SM size.

They repackage units with 32mm no matter what size they are.

>>52186325
These kind of make me want to look into AoS.
Though the 1800s mustaches sculpted into the armor strike me as being a bit too much on the silly side.

> So much Dakka
> Much beard
I would like to believe this is the return of squats we have finally been waiting for. O_O

>>52186775
not him, but it's not difficult

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>>52186779
Wait till you see the sculpted mustache guns.

Pretty hyped for the dwarfs, though I dislike too many ranged units.

>>52186765
>this guy again
For fucks sake man, in universe fielding entirely super soldiers is a waste of resources.You need regular troops

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>>52186784
Jesus Christ, that whole post.

>>52186789
Lmao, I love it.

I'm genuinely happy for you AoS guys.
You fuckin' earned it.
Sky Dorfs are fucking awesome.

>>52186784
Lurk moar newfag

>>52186325
The shield cannon is the only thing I don't like. It's so weird looking and not big enough to be a shield, but not small enough to make the carrying the thing seem reasonable.

>>52186784

Dead factions never truly die, they just sleep until the stars are right again. The stars were not right for Squats in 40k, but now in AoS the stars are now right and favorable, and so the Squats return.

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>>52186788

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>>52186669
>>52186718

Assuming same 32mm base they're definitely much shorter than marines.

>>52186664
I guess it should fit. There is a 3rd party that does pigheads (basically as alternative heads for orcs) though so that might be easier. I think it was max mini or kromlech.

>>52186793
>.You need regular troops
Not in Warhammer

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>>52186909

>>52186844
don't really care for the look of those. Im just trying to figure out what would be a good body for these guys. Thank you though.

>>52186921
Daily reminder memeimage =/= argument
Duardins, freeguilds, highborn armies etc aren't real armies, just local police force who irrelevant in setting and will never have updates, since they doesn't fit the setting

>>52186935
The shit you spout doesn't deserve an argument.

High Elves = Metal Duardin
Dark Elves = Fyreslayers
Wood Elves = Dispossessed

Now I truly see...

>>52186946
> I have no arguments: the post
>>52186952
>High Elves = Metal Duardin
>Dark Elves = Fyreslayers
>Wood Elves = Dispossessed
Wut?

>>52186962

Your posts don't need arguing against. They're that stupid.

>>52186987
>Your posts don't need arguing against.
Because somehow PDFfactions somehow became relevant in setting about super-soldiers

>>52186935
Are you retarded? The stormcast eternals are, to the best of my knowledge, limited in number. You still need regular infantry

>>52187010
Seriously, don't bother. The guy thinks the Imperial Guard is irrelevent to 40k because Space Marines.

>>52187010
>, limited in number.
Like pre-HH Space Marines legions.
>You still need regular infantry
Yes, to guard cities, like PDF.
>>52187019
>The guy thinks the Imperial Guard is irrelevent to 40k because Space Marines.
Dude it was confirmed in Gathering Storm

>>52186789
The rocking 'stash is the only reedeming part of this relly shitty miniature. Love the new range apart from those flying baloon dudes.

>>52187042
Replce them with mechanical wings or something and they're real winners.

>>52187033
>confirmed
>a small part of Cadians tried to defend Cadia
>90% of the other cadian armies are still in space

Anon, please. Stop making fun of the underdogs.

>>52187090
>>90% of the other cadian armies are still in space
>and cannot stop anyone

>>52187033
Nigger, the entire point is that using super soldiers for lesser objectives is retarded. Space marines are used as elite shock troops to support the near infinite numbers of the IG. Say you have a group of grots sitting in a building. Do you send a group of expendable guardsmen or commit your expensive as fuck elite super soldiers to something far below them. Also,
>Like pre-HH space marines legions
They were hundreds of times the size of "modern" space marine chapters

>>52187106
>The imperial navy cannot stop anyone
He means that they are deployed in other warzones dipshit.

>>52187130
You said this shit to him last thread.

Or am I having a fucking stroke here?

>>52187145
No, I basically copy-pasted it

>>52187130
>Say you have a group of grots sitting in a building.
Yeah and that's only where mortals in AoS are good. Perfectly fit
>Duardins, freeguilds, highborn armies etc aren't real armies, just local police force
>>52187139
>He means that they are deployed in other warzones.
Where they are losing against anyone (CSM, Nids, Orks etc)

So how high chances that will make another Slambo-like release?

>>52187174
And you missed my point again. The entire point of the guard is that they use their extreme numbers to overcome superior foes. In 40k fiction, you are usually only shown when shit absolutely has hit the fan. That is when space marines are called in, most of the time the guard or pdf manage to do their jobs just fine.

>>52187220
>The entire point of the guard is that they use their extreme numbers to overcome superior foes.
But they cannot do it

>>52187220
Stop arguing with it, it'll go away.

>>52187243
Read the second part of the post you fucking mong

I have an 8th edition high elf army that I'm thinking of using in AoS, what do I need to be able to play a game?

>>52187266
>A board
>Ruler
>Dice
>Models

>>52187266
Depends. Do you want to use points?

>>52187289
Probably, I don't know if they use points at my local store, so I might as well do both.

>>52187302
Okay, you're going to want to pick up a copy of the General's Handbook somewhere. That has your point values.

The rules for the game and all the unit stats and shit are free on GW's site or on a handy mobile app, if you're so inclined.

>>52187302
Organize a game at your store and bring some units you wanna use

they should be able to set you up

>>52187255
>second part of the post
>most of the time the guard or pdf manage to do their jobs just fine.
You mean..?
Literally there is no a single important for fluff conflict which was solved by IG
>>52187266
new army

Why is there in every aos thread some 40k fag arguing about pdf

>>52187345
Bec ause it obvious analogy, since settings are kind of simmilar now

>>52187345
He pulls the same shit in the 40k threads, he just wandered in here when the new dorfs showed up.

>>52187357
>since settings are kind of simmilar now
Because there's suddenly "Elite" and "Core "units?

What a completely new development.

>>52187357
Why not just say Stormcast are mi'lords and mortals are serfs.

>>52186325
MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKER MOTHERFUCKER!

SQUATS!

>>52187367
>Because there's suddenly "Elite" and "Core "units?
You mean what?
But I've talked about sizes and power-levels between factions.

>>52187396
Ashkully these are Kharadron Overlords.

>>52187405

Not an argument.

>universe gets squatted
>actual Squats materialize back

>>52187421
MAXIMUM OVERSQUAT

>>52187266
Ellyrian Reavers, High Elf Spearmen and Silver Helms are Battleline (your standard troops)

Dragon Host and Glittering Host are Warscroll Battalions that give you additional rules for your Elves if you have certain units in your HE army

Also your must expensive unit costs 440 and is called Prince Imrik, Dragonlord

>>52187465
>Also your must expensive unit costs 440 and is called Prince Imrik, Dragonlord
You mean prince

Hopefully they aren't total shit like the Fyreslayers

>>52187420
Point to where in the rules in says its not.

>>52187472
not in the general handbook, he still got his name

>>52187487
He is still a prince (if we are talking about IoB)

>>52186789
And no-one's mentioned that his right eyehole looks like a monocle.

I for one, welcome our fancy armoured overlords.

>>52186674
That was my first thought as well. I betwe'll see a lot of these converted into count-as spacemarine squats.

>>52187483
>Autism

>>52187563
Thanks for conceding to my superior intellect.

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>>52187589

Where do the points costs of models in AoS come from?

>>52187647
https://mega.nz/#!DxRGmTZL!x_L0eobCjr4qrF7enhVlZ2DffTtRa3hdDrc5RctcAbE
here

>>52187647
The space inbetween realms.

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They look cool, happy for you Dorf guys, but Death is never getting anything ever again is it?

>tfw your Grand Alliance has only lost models since AOS was released.

>>52186325
I really hope that we'll see some proper fantasy dwarfs aswell and that the whole faction haven't gotten steampunk'd.

>>52186325
> that the whole faction haven't gotten steampunk'd.

Fyreslayers exist, so no. But you are deludind yourself if you are hoping for a new dispossessed release.

>>52187722
Meant for >>52187709

>>52187709
The regular sky dorf troops look dorfy.

haha eat shit age of smegma

I'm am NOT ok with dwarf jet pack warriors (steam packs?). The whole idea is immovable slow blobs and ok maybe transports like steamships and gyro copters.

Manueverabilty is for elves!

>>52186325
Jesus they are fucking grotesque, who the fuck actually designs this shit?

>>52187442
My God, I just realised...

What if the sheer capacity of the quality that is known as "squat" is what attracted the Slav, who is of the breed that is most recipient to this quality?

(apologies for the weird syntax, I've been binging Kill Six Billion Demons)

>>52187764
They don't seem very speedy to me, they have balloons, not rockets.

I guess they are going to have something like deep strike, or they are going to be speedy for the dwarf standard, so around 8".

I doubt they are going to be much manoeuvrable as a faction.

They are probably going to be very hard, short/middle range shooty with deployment tricks but low speed.

Basically a ranged version of stormcast before the last book.

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>>52187782

>>52186789

This is really ramping it up to 11... I mean...

>>52186784
Don't use smileys on /tg/

>>52186789
>Current year
>not having a Steam-top hat
do you guys even Durin

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>>52187819

>>52187442
HAMON OVERSQUAT

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>>52187835

>>52187709
>that we'll see some proper fantasy dwarfs
BWAHAHAHA, get rekt shiteater!

>>52187853
I'm glad you're an unsubtle troll, Anon.

Everyone can tell it's you, then.

>>52187835

Not a patch on Mr...

>Steam punk
>Monocle
>Metal Top Hat
>Metal twirled moustache guns
>Chainsword / chainsaw fist
>Moon boots
>Steam Boy - steam orb
>Powered Armour

Another great Age of Sigmar release, boys!

I hope thier gameplay revolves around those airships and they sort of "deepstrike" within 6 inches of them or something

>>52187865
I am still waiting for that Nurgle release

>>52187842
>Harpoon gun

>>52187825
i wonder who is behind this :^)

>>52186803
Since nobody else said it, thank you.

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>>52187864
This guy has an armored parrot. That's gotta count for something, right?

Aspect warriors armed with bows and crossbows with optical sight when?

>>52187890
I'd be embarassed to put these on a table, and I thought stormcasts were bad fucking hell. I can't imagine the mind that concieved these.

>>52187890
I'm going to say that's a robot parrot, not an armoured on.

>>52187908
If you dislike AoS stuff so much, why are you here?

>>52187912

No! It's parrot power armour.

>>52187908
>my little army men have to be a certain way or its silly

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>>52187908
How does it feel to be objectively wrong?

>>52187870
That would be a really cool mechanic. Wonder how big those ship models are going to be, I suck at estimating size from pictures.

>>52187819
To 12. This is the most surreal, over the top miniature since the robot horse.

>>52186325
Did somebody say squats?

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>>52187924
And it's amazing. Hell, I've NEVER liked dorfs in any setting but I have to say, these guys are tempting. Not enough to pull me away from my plant bitches, but I'm looking forward to playing against these guys.

>>52186789

Ok... I'm going to say it, this is too much.

>>52187921
But he is right, design-wise they are Warmachine-tier

>>52187923
They have duarding models on board, here's your reference for size measurement.

>>52187908
AoS is a crazy time to be alive this calls for armoured top hat dwarfs in flying ships.

>>52187914
The game is fine, it's the new designs that are cringeworthy. Looks like a kid designed them, mix between bionicle and lego.

>>52187921
feel free to get your shitty models out and watch the reactions, even 40 year old permavirgins playing with models have some pride.

>>52187920
it's pretty fucking obvious they were designed to be silly and if you think steampunk isn't about outrageous quirky shit and fucking eachothers wives you're wrong.

>>52187950
Style-wise, not design-wise.

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>>52187955
>all this butt hurt
shouldnt you be shitpostng in the 40k thread

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>>52186325
Time to go full Steamboy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7PlhCxJaDI

>>52187955
>mix between bionicle and lego
But anon, Bionicle is Lego. Well, was, at any rate.

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>>52187955
>implying that there is something wrong with the look of Bionicle.

Pleb.

>>52187955
Yes they are a subfaction of dwarves that are over the top steampunk sillyness for people who like that
Why does that make you angry lol
>EVERYONE HAS TO LIKE WHAT I LIKE REEEEEE

>>52187980
Not him but
>that are over the top steampunk sillyness for people who like that
So your point is that setting shouldn't have some common aesthetics?

>>52187989
Dwarves have always been silly
I dont think you people play the game

>>52187989
It does, but at the same time each of the settings factions should deviate from it in some distinct manner.

Otherwise everything is just samey and boring.

>>52187980
well once the setting had some element of conservatism and conforming to the character of the races. There's no character in any of these models, nothing new or exciting, just steampunk randomness which never suited Dwarfs. Empire was more steampunk than Dwarfs. At least other factions like Khorne stayed in character.

Also where's the tongue in cheek grimness? This is just immature and lame.

>Oh fuck its those silly flying dwarfs again said the Stormcast eternal to the Seraphon
>Ridiculous, this is a serious battle.

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Reminder to never use the default colour scheme, since you can probably come up with better schemes

>>52188001
>Dwarves have always been silly
So what?
>I dont think you people play the game
I've tried, but wasn't catched enough to start new army

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Well, all I want for now is a SC! Box for them

>>52188009
Ill agree with you on the tone. They should be more GRIM and less world of warcraft

>>52188010
>here we are in front of the bloodskull bloodrinkers led by SkullBlood the BloodEviscerator

>>52188009
>tongue in cheek grimness
>WHFB

>>52188027
>Can't believe we're related to those guys, said the buttnaked fire dwarves

>in the super srs age of sigmar, dwarves get wasted and float around with balloons on their backs

Its fucking great. How can the other races ever hope to be this awesome?

>>52188007
>Otherwise everything is just samey and boring.
Artistic integrity =/= samey boring
Also, it's almost the same looking mage/steapunk as SCE ranged weapon

>>52188033
>Even the tree people take this important war more seriously
>Oh for fuck sake they are drunk again! What those balloon Dwarfs doing to that bloodthirster? Oh my Sigmar...

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>>52187908
How does it feel to be a contrarian with shit taste?

>>52188068
>not liking overdesigned random steampunk mess
>shit taste pick one

>>52188042
I just imagine they are crazy old man laughing the entire time.

Nobody is hyped for Warhammer Underworlds: Shadespire??

so squats are back?

>>52186325
>The Squats are back
I actually like these

>>52188068
>defending solid brass 'balloons'
>skaven like random weapons that look nothing like typical dwarf overdesigned weapons
>Airships look like slaanesh boomboxes with skaven gatling guns on them

if you like these releases then you hated whfb.

>>52188081
Havent seen any details.

>>52188083
For all intents and purposes, yes.
Just on a different system.

>>52188011
>Powerpuff Dworfs

>>52188089

Desaigned for organised&competitive play: i smell shit

>>52188088
I love whfb (I own ~5k points of VC) and I still think this release is really good.
Also how does this remind you of skaven, is it the gattling guns? And slaanesh of all things, is it because of sqheres reminding you of balls and tits? Are you 12?

>>52188112
Not him but the front of the ship looks a lot like a noisemarine thing.

>>52188112
>and I still think this release is really good.
Ships and core infantry cool, baloon marines are just interesting, but HQ and >>52187890 looks overdesigned and borring

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>>52188112
if you played dwarfs you'd understand that long time dwarf players are going to be disappointed. Many didn't like the new gyrocopters or irondrakes. This is like a fucking apocalypse for their hopes regarding AoS continuity. They've lost the aesthetic that drew those players 10-15 years ago. Can't imagine epic characters like Bugman, Gotrek or the white dwarf coming from this line.

>>52188117
Vaguely i guess, but its a vent or intake, which is hardly a slaanesh specific thing.

>>52188154
Yeah all 3 of them might be bummed
Shame about that 2bh
Theres always the dispossessed

>>52188011
>GO GO POWER RANGERS

>>52188101
I could see them bringint back Mordheim-ish.
That'd be great.

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>new dorfs

>>52188189
>GW
>Desaigned for organised&competitive play:
>great

>>52187702
Don't worry. I'm sure that Death will eventually get updates. I think the reason that Death has been ignored is because they have to refocus the GA away from summoning due to matched play.

Look at Tzeench. Pre GHB, their warscrolls had a bunch of effects that summoned units like horrors and spawn. Now, their new refocused battletome gave them a fresh new mechanic to play with instead.

tl;dr once GW figures out a fresh new focus for GA:Death, death will get new stuff. Stay strong bonebros.

>>52188154
Dwarves were always supposed to have airships and amazing warmachines. They hever made it into models but can be seen in art and the books.

>>52188011
I like the blue & silver one. Don't suppose anyone's shopped the skyboat into alternate schemes by any chance?

>>52188154
They lost this aesthetic with the last release, which was absolute shit. Why would you expect GW to bring back the old dwarves with this release? Also dwarves are really the last race that needs to worry about their models, since everyone and their grandma does 28mm dwarves that fit the old aesthetic. I'm really into oldhammer and 6th edition stuff too, but AoS is simply neither the game nor the setting for it.
I can see the that the front looks a like chaos, but flat weapons are not slaanesh exclusive and the gatling guns really don't looke like wacky sakven stuff.

>>52188169
nah we're talking maybe a third of the veteran players, old dwarf models still sell for the most on ebay and most old players have a few in their collection. Dwarfs are incredibly popular.

>>52188194

Choose 2

>>52188206

I think part of it could be the fact it's pretty hard to do a "death" theme without Vampires, Zombies, Ghosts, Ghouls, and Skeletons, which they already have.

But the previews / rumour engine stuff we've seen does have something that looks like Nagash, so the story might advance in the Realm of Death a bit more and add more Death units.

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Just what are these dwarves up to?

>>52188154
Not that guy but
>if you played dwarfs you'd understand that long time dwarf players are going to be disappointed.
I played dwarfs and I don't understand.
>Many didn't like the new gyrocopters or irondrakes.
True, and fair. The new designs were a canon part of the army.
>This is like a fucking apocalypse for their hopes regarding AoS continuity. They've lost the aesthetic that drew those players 10-15 years ago.
I do not agree at all. The Fyreslayers and Kharadrons are their own separate factions. They are not replacing the old dwarfs at all, and so you cannot claim that they are ruining their aesthetic. Maybe GW will never update old dwarfs. That would be unfortunate, but they still exist in the mortal realms. They won't fade away just because they have some strange and distant wayward cousins.

>>52188221
Just look at this shit. that fucking nozzle that looks like a fire hydrant, or a fucking shapeless shield, real superior geometric dwarf engineering... Not to mention the fucking block of stone above his head.

It's a joke, so presumably you are arguing that AoS is a parody setting? How do you work up any motivation for fluff or objectives when it's just a random shitfest? They've totally lost the plot on this one.

>>52188237
If anything, I could see them expanding with more morghast type stuff.

>>52188257
I like this sentiment, anon.

Reminder that these new dwarves will sell better than your old tolkien rip offs ever did
Dumb ol grognards haha

>>52188254
Crashing airships laden with explosives into the silver spire and shadowspire

>>52188303
>ever did
Yeah because AoS is already 40% of GW profits.

>>52188330
Dare I say it with no survivors?

>>52187939
You might even find ways to combine them when starting out since the Ironbark household and Winterleaf household allow you to take 0-2 Duardin and 0-1 order units respectively while maintaining the sylveneth allegiance.

>>52188154
Old dorf player here, played since the ass-end of fifth and I love the new Kharadron. This does not diminish my old army in any way, shape or form, but rather gives me new shit to look forward to.
And, I'll be frank here, the new kits from 8th were just as good as the earlier stuff. Ironbreakers and -drakes were fucking fantastic and miles ahead of their old kits.
>Can't imagine epic characters like Bugman, Gotrek or the white dwarf coming from this line.
No wonder, it's not the same fucking faction. This isn't that difficult to comprehend, anon.

>>52188257
>>52188257
>They are not replacing the old dwarfs
>Maybe GW will never update old dwarfs.
>They won't fade away
top kek
>but they still exist in the mortal realms.
Yeah like noname npc without any purpose

>>52188338
What it just revealed that AoS accounts for nearly half of profits lately?
Could've sworn someone post a link the other day.

>>52188345
So you can have a treeman and an airship?

>Implying I'm not giving the blimp guys wings for full GORDONS ALIVE feel

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>>52188348
no what is difficult to comprehend for you is how the new designs are shit, ugly and I look forward to seeing all the shitty paintjobs.

>>52188363
>What it just revealed that AoS accounts for nearly half of profits lately?
Link?

>>52188383
The fact that you're just a whiny contrarian who argues about pointless shit.

These Dwarfs don't make your old Dwarfs obsolete.

>>52188237
They don't even need to step away from the existing lines. Are FEC not simply an extention of Ghouls? Are Ironjaws not simply an extention of Black (now yellow) Orcs?

>>52188221
...I liked the last dwarven release. The ironbreaker/irondrake kit was great and the longbeard/hammerer kit isn't far behind. The runelord and king what's-his-face were also good, and after taking off the dumb backback even Burlokson looked solid. Gyro-stuff was more hit-or-miss, admittedly.

>>52188393
>These Dwarfs don't make your old Dwarfs obsolete.
Technically yes, but actually nope

>>52188383
Is this a jojo reference???

>>52188154
Sucks to suck old fags.
> we Duardin now
> we beat boxing sky pirates now
Get with the times or get out

>>52188383
That's nice. So why don't you take your obviously superior taste alongside your lovely old minatures and your timeless WHFB and, y'know, go post in the WHFB general?
There's also the 9th age community, I hear. Maybe those are more your speed.

Will I have too few models to be effective if I run only Longbeards as my battlelines at 1k?

>>52188348
>Old dorf player here
Yeah sure.

>>52188445
>old army
>effective
pick one

Building Thanquol and Boneripper and wondering if its be stupid to give him guns on the top arms and the braziers on the bottom arms. Thoughts?

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>>52186789
The top hat puts me off.
I was hoping we could do this without Clockfop.

>>52188445
Depends on what you do with the rest of your army. In general Longbeards are a bretty solid battleline anchor.

>>52188465
The top hat is one of the best things about it next to the beard guns.

>>52188154
Yeah it sucks. I mean it sucks for all factions doesnt it?
All the WHFB factions are essentialy squatted.
I kinda like these new dorfs even tho the Clockfop stuff doesnt appeal to me.

But its not the same, the beaten down renaissance aesthetic of WHFB is infinitly superior.

For what its worth, treat AOS as a different game.
Of course, ill be eating my own words if we EVER get new lizards. Because theyll probably look like absolute arse and ill be pissed about it.

>>52188471
>"s-steampunk dwarfs are totally o-original guys!"

AoS is going to develop a fucking terrible reputation.

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>>52188461
>what anon believes to be: cool anime guy from gundam
>what anon actually is: turbomad and gives free bumps

>>52188371
You could have treemen, airships and still count as sylveneth allegiance for teleporti g treemen shenanigans. This is due to the errata in the GHB faq regarding allegiances and battalions (refering to GHB pg 157).

Also just realised i wrote household instead of wargrove. Derp.

>>52188483
The top hat Duardin looks like a total fag. The rest is pretty ace though.
They are all off to mine from clouds and pillage some clowns. Oh yeah.

>>52188289
>shapeless shield
If you look at his back, you'll see a heat vent on one of his shoulders. I'm guessing that's a flamethrower or dwarf-portable energy cannon of some kind, and the shield is supposed to protect the wielder from backwash.

>>52186789
straight up chainsword.

>>52188535
Nuh-uh. It's at an angle.

Can't really seem to find this answer anywhere regarding fluff:

If the world was destroyed by Chaos, and only Sigmar survived, how come literally all the races exists as usual and nothing changed after all?

>>52188551

Chaos are weaklings and couldn't follow through.

>>52188551
The world got destroyed and the survivors got displaced to realms. After thousands of years they evolved into the current factions.

>>52188562
>and the survivors got displaced to realms.
Only their souls

>>52188551
It's chaos, GW ain't gonna explain shit.

a more important question is who the fuck built the realmgates and what was dracothion doing while the old world and its draconic spawn on it was suffering.

>>52188551
Chaos a shit. The incompetent morons couldn't even make something of their victory after they had already won.

>>52188568
Nope.

>>52188551
Some of them just survived for some reasons. It's shoehorning for the purpose of being able to play with the old models and I would just explained it with 'Chaos ain't gotta explain shit'. There are parts of AoS fluff you shouldn't think to much about right now...

>>52188568
Nope, plenty of life survivors as well, mostly wizards stowed away in pocket dimensions and shit like that.

>>52188573
Yeah but this was always known by lore theorists. If Chaos wins in any of the settings it essentially commits sepukku because Chaos can't exist without mortals.

>>52188499
That's a dwarf? It looks like a monkey...

>>52188581
>There are parts of AoS fluff you shouldn't think to much about right now...

pretty much everything about the setting as a wgole doesn't make sense.
factions are kinda isolated in terms of self-explanations.

>>52188601
Yes. It's easier to imagine the new factions in the old world than the other way around imo, so in my head my games take place over there.

>>52188551
Because while the world was destroyed by Chaos, it wasn't totally vapourised. Most of its landmass was consumed by Chaos instead, and a precious few small groups, villages, holds etc. managed to hold out in the Realm of Chaos (because that's what the Warp is called in Fantasy and is still called in AoS) long enough to break out once the Mortal Realms started manifesting in realspace. This includes the Incarnates, or at least those who were still alive when the Old World fell.

Sigmar isn't the only one who survived; all the Incarnates survived. Sigmar is just the only one who managed to cling to reality and not get sucked into the Realm of Chaos, which meant the Realm of Azyr didn't form centred on him when the Wind of Azyr coalesced.

>>52188551
because GW are full of hack writers (see gathering storm, end times, most of BL) and couldn't give less of a shit about fluff, because books don't sell like models do.

>>52188497
Sounds to me like you are going to be mad at most things GW puts out since they are unlikely to move back towards the old aesthetic anytime soon.

How do I make a competitive Tzeentch Arcanite list?

>>52188665
A new aesthetic isn't the problem, it's the designs that are totally shit. It's across the board so it's not like AoS is totally to blame, but GW has no character anymore and the old inspirations are gone. Maybe it's been a long time coming, an old dwindling fanbase is nothing compared to teh sales from kids which is essentially an eternal pot of money.

>>52186789
> Stolen for /40kg/

FEAR NOT CITIZENS IT IS I BARON GOLDFAGGOT, SKYGENTLEMAN EXTRAORDINAIRE, LEISURELY BOBBING TOWARD THE FOE WITH THE AID OF MY TRUSTY BLIMPBALL BACKPACK

HE WILL BE NO MATCH FOR MY CHAINFIST AND WRIST-MOUNTED TRI-PISTOL AS MY STRENGTH IS AUGMENTED BY MANNER OF THESE MARBLES ON STICKS YOU SEE BEHIND ME

WHAT'S MORE I WAGER HE HAS NOT COUNTED ON THE CANNON MOUNTED CONVENIENTLY ABOVE MY ARMOURED TOP HAT THAT SHOULD SEND HIM PACKING HAW HAW HAW

WHAT'S MORE IF THE BRUTE SOMEHOW MANAGES TO DAMAGE MY GAUDY WANKER FLIGHT HARNESS I CAN CONTINUE THE PURSUIT ON MY MOST RECENT INVENTION: CATERPILLAR TRACK ROLLER SKATES

UNTIL THEN THIS IS BARON GOLDFAGGOT, SIGNING OFF

SUCK MY GOLD PLATED COCK AND GOBBLE THE BALLS

>>52188653
>they advance the storyline you people wanted
>hack writers
lmao

>>52188695
I blame reddit.

>>52188068
>NO OPINIONS ALLOWED INSIDE THE HUGBOX

>>52188712
>hugbox
you already are in a hugbox and it's a taiwanese image macro board

>>52188704
>>they advance the storyline you people wanted
None asked for Marvel rip-off

>>52188726
Mtg rip off

>>52188068
well its MY shit taste and i am good with MY shit taste so go fuck your self mate. iam not collecing minis for your amusment but mine and i like shit stuff

>>52188704
>wanted the dullest primarch back for no reason whatsoever
>wanted the death of the best Imperial Guard character
>wanted nobody eldar (sorry aeldari) gods to return and inexplicably help humans
>wanted failbaddon the armless
>wanted wrath of Magnus, attacking fenris for no reason at all and achieving dick.

Can do an AoS rundown if neccessary.

>>52186325
I think all these new dudes would look brilliant in a bronze/oxidized-copper/brownish theme, covered in rust, barnacles and seaweed

>>52188726
better than the tolkien rip-off

>>52188733
Nah it clear MCU Asgard rip-off

>>52188497
You mean the aesthetic *one* faction had? Because outside of the Empire you'd be hard-pressed to find that 'beaten down renaissance' for anything. Dwarves were generic dwarves, aelves were, mostly, generic elves of varying flavor and orcs were orcs. Not much unique genius there, no matter how good the models were.

>>52188743
>wanted the death of the best Imperial Guard character
Kell?

>>52188749
Realms is basically whatever mtg has (realms?) this is for good reason too.

>>52188746
>better
Nope
>tolkien rip-off
Nope, Chaos dwarves were amazing

>>52188697
ALSO MY MUSTACHE IS GUNS

>>52188756
Planes

>>52188756
>Realms is basically whatever mtg has (realms?)
So as Nine Worlds

>>52188754
The aesthetic was still mostly dreary and not too flashy, even the high magic factions like elves and lizards werent encrusted with gems and other high fantasy stuff. At least the lower tier units.

>>52188765
The reason its mtg ripped is because the format lets them release whatever their design team can come up with.
Mtg was GWs competitor. It even has a deck building system with warscrolls.

>>52188746
>tolkien rip-off

I think beards, axes and mines are about the only similarities. these new dwarfs have all of those features.

>>52188773
don't reply to the obvious bait.

>>52188757
>chaos dwarves
ignored and not mentioned in fantasy lmao

>it's not a tolkien rip-off
>generic dwarves
>generic elves
>generic orcs

>>52188743
>they brought back Gulliman to give the Imperium hope instead of constant grimdarkness
>Memelord Creed is still alive and trapped by Trazyn
>only one eldar god returned and is too weak and created an avatar instead
>GW finally makes abaddon a threat instead of a meme
>Magnus destroyed Fenris and brought back his own world out of the Eye to do shit

I believe you just want to cling on old 1d4chan memes and don't want GW to ruin your fantasy.

>>52188786
>The reason its mtg ripped is because the format lets them release whatever their design team can come up with.
Yeah and Thor movies are very popular

>>52188825
>>generic dwarves
>more scots than jews
>tolkien rip-off

>>generic orcs
too fat

>>generic elves
>Melnibonian elves
>generic
pick one

>>52188825
40k is going to be squatted in any case, but thus far gathering storm is considered total shit by the entire fanbase. Most are just going to jump ship to 30k and wait it out.

>>52188825
>>only one eldar god returned and is too weak and created an avatar instead
>yet still somehow it's strong enough to be ultimate anti-Chaos force and universal god of Death
>it's happened just to have opportunity to ressurect biggest Marry Sue, while ignoring other primarchs

>>52188864
>but thus far gathering storm is considered total shit by the entire fanbase
*inhales* Wronnnnnggggg

>>52188872
>Gulliman
>calling him mary sue while he wants his other mary sues back
>probably hates Gulliman, because of Matt Ward
1d4er, please

dead thread.

>>52188825
Chaos Dwarfs are in AoS also

>>52188917
Not yet.

>>52188871
M'gold!

>>52188864
Gathering Storm is alright in my book. And in any case, I don't get my jimies rustled for so little. It's a game.

But please don't come to /30k/. We don't need the WAACfag from 40kg to come and stomp around saying Mechanicus is not strong enough, that we need Eldars or that the Ironfire is the only way to play IW

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>>52188992

I notice that 40k works like a WAACfag containment unit. AoS and 30k players both seem to care way more about the fluff.

>>52188743
>for no reason whatsoever
he's the only primarch with the knowitall and self discipline to manage the empire
>wanted the death of the best Imperial Guard character
fall of cadia was a slap in the face of every IG player out there , but creed is still alive and has been conveniently stored away untill the plot needs him
>wanted nobody eldar (sorry aeldari) gods to return and inexplicably help humans
it makes sense to use whatever you can to win in a battle of life an death, eldar should have teamed up with humans millenia ago if it weren't for their pride

>>52188904
>other primarchs
>marry sues
kek
>>probably hates Gulliman, because of Matt Ward
Nah because he is borring.
>1d4er, please
Reddit, please

>>52189029
>he's the only primarch with the knowitall and self discipline to manage the empire
Nope.

>>52189004
>Forgeworld fluff

>>52189031
Oh, please name some primarchs who aren't mary sues.

This is likely a case of your aesthetic tastes and the aesthetic tastes of GW's artists differing.

It could be that the artists who designed models you liked are no longer in the company. It could also be that the artists' styles and tastes have changed over the years.

In either case, it is unlikely that GW will put out models that would suit your tastes in the near future. There is nothing bad about liking the older designs more but saying that the new designs across the board are shit is a little extreme.

>>52189018
Because it's less popular. There's probably less than 20% if the posters in the 40k general that actually plays. In turn, that means that shitposters can sorta blend in and let their autism/shitposting run free.
Actual players are really chill 90% of the time and the vast majority of horror stories are either exagerated or outright lies.

>>52189052
>fluff
Models and warscrolls makes them in the game.

>>52189052
>Oh, please name some primarchs who aren't mary sues.
Anyone, robably except Vulkan.

>>52189048
Not that anon, but he litteraly is. That is litteraly what the writer says, that he's the only one that could actually have a chance at fixing stuff, all the others would just fuck off and fight stuff until they die. So much for actual usefulness.
I mean fucking hell, he is litteraly the Statesman Primarch.

>>52188445
>>52188476

Plus being outnumbered in AoS isn't as much of a death sentence as it is in stuff like 40k, thanks to sudden death objectives.

But yeah, longbeards as a solid anchor for an army, especially since, due to some admittedly dodgy working on their warscroll, they can take great weapons and shields at the same time. But even if you don't do that, dwarven shields are digustingly good, and Longbeards hit hard enough that they're more than just a tarpit.

>>52189087
>Not that anon, but he litteraly is.
Dorn also ruled empire before Emperor.
>That is litteraly what the writer says, that he's the only one that could actually have a chance at fixing stuff, all the others would just fuck off and fight stuff until they die.
Of course, since in the last book they turned him to ultimate MarrySue.

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>>52188930
All gates references the 'Children of Hashut' and Shartor, the latest character series model for AoS has a trampled Fyreslayer helmet, confirming they still exist in the mortal realms

>>52186775
>>52186818
Regardless of the size of the base, they are all the same height. You can guess the size by looking how wide it is compared to how high it is.

>>52189104
No he didn't. Guiliman was and has always beeb the only Lord Commander of the Imperium.

At best Dorne "ruled" Terra during the Siege, but that's it. Then he fucked off to the Iron Cage and stopped actually taking part in politics.

>turned him into a Mary Sue
Not exactly, he's shown to have plenty of doubts, hell he doesn't even want the job.

>Dodgy english

Hello Ivan, glad you could join us for yet another shitposting.

>>52189138
>the latest character series model for AoS has a trampled Fyreslayer helmet, confirming they still exist in the mortal realms
Nope

>>52189150
What do you mean nope

>>52189078
lol all of the loyalists ones are literally
"some dude found this baby and that dude also happened to be the ruler of the planet , the baby was so awesome that they made him ruler after his adoptive fathers death, he was so kickass that he united the planet and everything was super good forever, then the emperor showed up and they went out partying for a few days, at the end a mayor bro hug was had and the emperor wished him well and gave him his very own army "

am i the only one , who independently on whether you like the models or not, is bothered that these are more sci fi then fantasy?

>>52189146
>Guiliman was and has always beeb the only Lord Commander of the Imperium.
Yeah and was killed right after Heresy.
>At best Dorne "ruled" Terra during the Siege, but that's it.
He create his own Empire before Emperor found him.
>Not exactly, he's shown to have plenty of doubts,
Yet still he is flawless and supported by everyone (including Chaos Gods, who didn't kill him first and sends Khrone rescue-team after he was captured).
>hell he doesn't even want the job.
Yet still he is more ideleastic than Dorn, more Saint and humane than Sanquinius, stronger than rest of primarchs, and unlike big E knew how to make perfect Ubermarines, since his geneseed best among the brothers (should I remind that befoire GS at least 3 legions had better geneseed than smurfs).

>>52189199
>"some dude found this baby and that dude also happened to be the ruler of the planet , the baby was so awesome that they made him ruler after his adoptive fathers death, he was so kickass that he united the planet and everything was super good forever, then the emperor showed up and they went out partying for a few days, at the end a mayor bro hug was had and the emperor wished him well and gave him his very own army "
Yet still they all had a large flaws, shit a lot of them even died.

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>>52189180
I mean this model could be human Hashut servant

>>52189180
Don't bother replying to this guy. He's just wasting your time. He obviously has no intention to be proven wrong.

>>52189225
never

>>52189104
>Dorn also ruled empire before Emperor
dorne erected some nice looking sandbags in the sol system and organised a defence
girlyman reorganized the entire empire and the scouring
>since in the last book they turned him to ultimate MarrySue.
there where some mary sue moments in there for sure , him instantly turning the battle for macragge around by tactics alone and the writer calling him the most caring of primarchs certainly raised an eyebrow
however as another anon pointed out he is not without his flaws at all , i mean he almost falls mad to the whispering of that birdguy and would have certainly done so if the eldar and fallen hadn't saved him

>>52189214
Theres no fucking way Dorn could rule the Imperium as it stands, he'd tear it apart with his own stubborn autism. Guilliman at least knows to shut his fucking mouth and get to work behind the scenes.

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>>52189052
Step aside for perfection

>>52189199
Corax, Russ, Sanguinius, Vulkan, Khan, Lion, Ferrus Manus say hi.

Guiliman, Mortarion, Perturabo and Dorne are the only ones whose parent were in position of power.

>>52189251
>i mean he almost falls mad to the whispering of that birdguy
>almost
>>52189258
>Theres no fucking way Dorn could rule the Imperium as it stands
Dorned ruled his own empire before he was found by Emperor

>>52189251
>he is not without his flaws at all , i mean he almost falls mad to the whispering of that birdguy and would have certainly done so if the eldar and fallen hadn't saved him
wait his flaw is that chaos whispers to him? does that really sound ok to you?

reeeeeeeee take 40k shit to the 40k thread reeeeeeee

>>52189275
>Dorned ruled his own empire before he was found by Emperor
Yes but he couldnt rule the Imperium because of the political and religious climate. He'd tear the entire thing apart in a civil war because he refuses to back down like Rowboat did.

It doesnt fucking matter if he had his own little empire before he was found, not all empires are the same. Dorn is as politically skilled as a god damn potato. He can rule when the stars are aligned but they're not.

>>52189298
>It doesnt fucking matter
>>he's the only primarch with the knowitall and self discipline to manage the empire
Yeah sure

>>52189275
>Empire
It was a small ass system. Guiliman had the 500 pretty much done for.
Face it, Guiliman is litteraly the best choice to fix the Imperium. As it is, it has loads of secret weapons hidden and shit, so what it needs is not a warrior but someone to fix the administrative mess that makes us French look organised.

>>52189332
>Guiliman is litteraly the best choice to fix the Imperium.
Not fluff-wise.
To bring Wardcarne in setting they literally made DeusExMachina

>>52189324
No he's not, Guilliman has the same attributes, he just doesnt have the giant negative of pissing everybody off because he's as subtle as a clown with a chainsaw. Suck off Dorn all you want but his autism would destroy the Imperium if he was named its leader.

>>52189357
So even among the primarchs Guilliman is special snowflake

>>52189293
>implying AoS isn't 40k in magical space

>>52189380
No he had his own flaws, mostly the fact that he could be a giant dick to people he didnt agree with. But being a giant dick is a lot better than Dorns bullshit.

Girlymans bit has always been 'he's the most levelheaded of the pricks we call Primarchs'. Figures since he's the only one that had anything resembling a normal life...

>>52188011
>The one of the right.

POLAND DORF CAN INTO SPACE.

>>52189439
>No he had his own flaws
Such as..?

>>52189439
Wasn't Pertuabo (Iron Warriors Primarch) also raised like a normal guy and then became a jealous asshole?

>>52189456
I just told you, he was a raging cunt when things got out of order. Its what led Alphy boy to fall to chaos. Girlyman just couldnt stand the Alpha Legion's methods and called them out all the damn time on it. He hated people that he felt didnt earn their place and would be all passive aggressive shit to them.

>>52189458
Perty was raised in a court of snakes by a tyrant who used him to murder his foes from a young age. His childhood taught him to be paranoid as fuck.

>>52189483
>he was a raging cunt when things got out of order.
And he always was right by default.

Tfw aos thread has more 40k than 40k thread

>>52189458
the difference is that perty created a world of democracy, builders, artists etc
only for the emps to come along and go " screw all this shit i need warriors"
girly was an empire builder perty was a man of culture
>>52189275
Dorne would start a civil war against the echelsiarchy tearing the empire in half because he is principled to a fault
Dorne would lead a crusade straight into the the heart of the black crusade to try and sodomize abbadon instead of returning to terra to fix the giant mess that is 40k

>>52189514
And hell him letting the high lords and the whole 'worshipping the emperor' thing stick around for now makes sense considering how damn pragmatic he was. He let a planet of hedonists who regularly engaged in the practice of slavery and slave fights stay the way it was before they arrived just as long as they swore loyalty.

And he was one of the first Primarchs to view the Emperor as a dick because, since he hero worshipped his Ultramar father, he didnt hero worship the Big E.

>>52189547
>Dorne would start a civil war against the echelsiarchy tearing the empire in half because he is principled to a fault
Yeah because teachjing based on Book of Lorgar ren't good.
>Dorne would lead a crusade straight into the the heart of the black crusade to try and sodomize abbadon instead of returning to terra to fix the giant mess that is 40k
Except he didn't moved to Eye after Heresy.

for aos discussion, move to this thread linked below

>>52189613
>>52189613
>>52189613

>>52189547
i fucked up on the world bit
perturabo wanted to be a builder and an artist
no idea where i got the democracy from , probably because greek city states
point is girly got to do what he wanted perty didn't

What's a good number of heroes, to battleline to behemoths/others ratio @ 1000 points?

>>52189589
>Yeah because teachjing based on Book of Lorgar ren't good.
it's what keeps the imperium afloat at this point
>Except he didn't moved to Eye after Heresy.
no he just charged into battles while ridiculously outmatched time and time again untill he dissapeared/died

>>52189645
depends on the army
if you're playing with skellies battlelines will take up significantly more than dwarves for example

>>52189651
>it's what keeps the imperium afloat at this point
Yeah slowly rotting corpse.
>no he just charged into battles
Yeah just like Guilliman charged Fulgrim