Warhammer 40,000 General /40kg/

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First for I2.

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First for Guilliman's Xenos gf

Black Templars could use a new plastic upgrade kit and characters

>>52173276
But they were just squatted...

>>52173289
They lost one crusade. At any given time there are around three ongoing crusades.

>>52173273
DELETE THIS

What's the difference between fighting off a Tyranid infestation versus a Nurgle incursion?

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>>52173220
6th for the
Gretchin Revolutionary Committee

>>52173273
>implying fragile eldar slut could take primarch cock

>>52173289
They're not squatting fucking Cadians and Cadia blew up

If you think Templars are gone you literally don't have a brain.

>>52173346
>They're not squatting fucking Cadians and Cadia blew up

I hope guard don't get squatted.

>>52173319
A Tyranid infestation leaves a lifeless husk, a Nurgle incursion leaves a diseased planet supposedly

Black templars arent gone

theyre just getting sent to obscurity. I 100% guarantee that their characters will be Last Chance'd in the coming months, and theyll become nothing but an alternate paint scheme

>>52173360
>hope
Is the first step...

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>>52173319
Dumbest question I've heard

>>52173360
my GW contact said guard are getting replaced with squats

>>52173329
Humans can handle a meter long and 50cm wide dildos.

A race that murder fucked a God into existing could easily handle Girlyman atrophied dick.

>>52173329
>Implying primarch's cock is evern worthy of glorious space elf vag

Seeing as GS hints at a new Armageddon campaign, I hope that in addition to an Ork triumvirate, we get a triumvirate for the Imperium containing:
1. Yarrick
2. Helbrecht or Grimaldus (I would prefer the latter)
3. Someone new

Newer player here. What;s the deal with Chaos Daemons? Can I mix all four types of Chaos Daemon? Can I mix Chaos Marines with Chaos Daemons?

>>52173404
queer guard regiment when?

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>>52173360
>all Imperial Guard are Cadian

>>52173406
>Warhammer
>glorious elf
pick one

>>52173273
>Spehss elf gets outsped by ork
I guess this means Orks really are on fire!

>loyalist space marines constantly stealing design space from chaos space marines
>hey, guys, CSM can't have drop pods because access to deep strike is just too integral to SM
Is there a more retarded opinion?

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>>52173405
>Humans can handle a meter long and 50cm wide dildos.
In what orifice?

>>52173404
And your GW contact will be replaced by a Gorkanaut

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>>52173323
'scuse me, I's wiv da orkquisition, wot da zog is goin on ere

>>52173419
Read the codex.

Shitposting on /tg/ and wistfully looking at models on the webstore doesn't make you a player, despite what all the Sisters of Battle "players" would have you believe.

>>52173443
You should watch out for humisnipers...

>>52173422

>imperial stormcasts

>>52173429
you'd think with all the warp and chaos tech they've been dicking about for thousands of years they would come up with some sort of planet sized teleporter that lets them just poof entire armies onto a planet's surface

but nope. daemons and sorcerers only. gotta have some kind of exit on the planet itself before regular CSMs can spawn

You know, instead of Greyfax we should have gotten an Amalrich model.

>>52173429
Drop pods are ugly and annoying to assemble anyway.

>>52173405
Just because you can shove a pole up human and kill him does not mean it can be "handled"

>>52173481
You'd be amaze how much a vagina can stretch.
If that causes permenant damage is another story altogether

>>52173502
>>52173481
>>52173434
>>52173406
Stop talking about sex.

>>52173419
Usually you have to ally them together, there are a few exceptions to this rule, khorne daemonkin is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

>>52173538
Why?

Because you've never had any?

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>>52173417

>new Armageddon campaign
>all the photos and art will contain Cadian guardsmen, and the story will mention a rather large number of Cadian regiments represent on the planet for some reason, despite it being the home of the Steel Legion

Fucking calling it now

>>52173417
Where anon?

>>52173543
Because this is /40kg/ and you're derailing. Also, nice projection.

>>52173502
Like any part of the body, vaginas are semi plastic. If you tug on your ear for a moment it will stretch back, but if you tug on your ear consistently it will slowly stretch.

So if a girl fucks bad dragon dildos everyday for years that pussy will get rekt. Getting fucked once by chad cannot though.

>>52173240
MELEE RACE

>>52173273
>gf
>g
anon...

>>52173563
That's a definite possibility, unfortunately.

Personally I would like to see GW use the Armageddon campaign to introduce plastic steel legion kits

>>52173568
Rise of The Primarch, the little in-universe communiques presented in the margins

>>52173273
I hope she's trans. Her having a dick adds way more depth to her toe game.

>>52173569
eh?

Wrong post anon im talking Chaos deamons.

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>>52173422
>fan art

Does anyone have the Plague Marine [heavy breathing] pic pls

>>52173480
Truth

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>>52173220

Please R8

>>52173728
Illegal. You can't even take Conscripts unbound by themselves. You need 2 Infantry Squads and a Platoon Command Squad to take them period.

>>52173728
Tank deathstar/10, would play against

>Khorne hates ranged!
>Bloodthirsters are BS10
Explain this! Checkmate, atheists.

>>52173803
Khorne hates magic, not ranged combat. Checkmate ya twat!

>>52173803
because they're so fucking angry it's a separate stat, nigger.

>>52173821
>>52173829
I'm making fun of the autist im the previous thread.

>>52173803
Being an atheist in 40k comes with nearly the same problems as being one on the diskworld, the gods will fuck you over for it.
Khorne is the master of all warfare and so should be his minions

>>52173844
Hard to be an Atheist when gods are real and you can get sucker punched by their demons/angels/avatars

>>52173549
i am a different anon, but yes

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>>52173457
Don't be too jealous of our models.

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r8 no h8

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>>52173844
>>52173877
>implying being an atheist in 40k doesn't also make you a worshipper of a god
There's no escape anyway, so why not just worship the one God that is benevolent to you, aka The God-Emperor of Mankind

>inb4 ancient lore/fantasy lore

>>52173877
I'm not sure, but it seems like you're suggesting that magic corpses and malicious beings from alternate dimensions that are out to fuck you over constitute "gods".

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Make a better list

You literally cant

>>52173457
Tell me on what turn did the SoB player table you anon.

>>52174016
>ethereals are WS4
>BS3
I thought tau were a shooty race

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How is this for a SM all comers list? I haven't decided if I want my techmarine to stick with the pred, or slog it to wherever my dreadnought drops.

>>52174048
ws4 isn't anything to brag about, that's a standard ws for most books

>>52174016
>riptide spam
the madman actually did it!

>>52174015
Well they aren't jewjitsu base Gods if that is what you mean.

>>52174060
Not really, it's the standard WS for marines, which arguably IS most books, but for other races WS4 is either above or below the average.

That, and Tau are WS2 and BS3, then there's this ethereal who's WS4 and BS3 for some reason.

>>52174052
I'm honestly trying to understand whether you actually thought this is a even halfway decent list, or were just being a dick.

>>52174016
>Not having warp spiders
>Not having Wraith Knight
>Not having scatter bike spam
>Not having random Inquisitor with servo skull

Not winning tournaments list/10

>>52174052
>taking free transports in a CAD
m8

>>52174000
Worshiping the emperor does literally nothing, worshipping chaos causes objectively bad things to happen, there's no reason to worship anything in the 40k universe unless you're an insane cultist or you're being forced to.

>>52174119
Worshiping big E does the same thing as worshiping anything else, bro. It's the culmination of human/psychic species emotions in the warp that creates chaos and other gods.

>>52174092
It's a modified tourney list I got from an experienced player. I didn't think it was that bad.

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>>52174119
>Worshiping the emperor does literally nothing,
Not if he has four arms

I want to powergame

What's the current most meta formation of any army?

>>52174201
nobz in a naut

>>52174214
Flashgitz in a naut, ya grot

Back from university is that guy I was arguing about Lorgar with at like 6AM two threads ago still here

>>52174119
>Not knowing about 40k lore
>Posting pretending to know

Please stop, there are entire organisations dedicated to track down living saints. Sisters of Battle regularly perform miracles by praying to the Emperor.
Hell a local priest can bless your weapons and actually work to some degree against demons.

>>52174052

>225 points for a fucking captain

>No grav

>>52174119
> SoB acts of faith
> Saint Celestine resurrection
> Pray for salvation

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>>52174214
>>52174222

>He STILL fields nobz in a 'naut

SORRY YER GIT, DA META MOOVZ TOO FAST FOR YA

EVERYWUN KNOWZ IZ ALL ABOUT "GROTZ IN A TRUKK" - DA GAME CHANGIN' TORNEY FORMATION DA TOURNEYFAGZ DON'T WANT YOO TO KNOW ABOUT

>>52173375
You dip, they wouldn't include them in GS and Space Hulk just to get squatted.

>>52174166
Billions of Humans have been worshipping the Emperor as a god for ten thousand years and nothing happened. The chaos gods arose with zero direct worship when there were a few hundred million humans in existence.

Emperor worship doesn't work.

>>52173220
>>52173273

Yesterday's tip was Big E's sword, today is hers. What did they mean by this?

>>52174052
Mate, those transports are only free if you take a GLADIUS STRIKE FORCE. You are cheating right now with this. GO BUY THE FUCKING BOOK YOU FAGNIGGER.

The new box was already posted?

>>52174200
Truth.

>>52174260
>Not fielding all the boyz you can

Theyre the absolute best point-per-point troop choice in the entire game!

>>52174256
but anon, grav is for faggots.

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>>52174052
>>52173728

Read your goddamn Codex faggots

>>52174288

But anon, bikes are for faggots anyways

>>52174288
then why dont you use it ?

>>52174288

Then you should double up

>>52174119
>worshipping chaos causes objectively bad things to happen
I see people say this, but I also see people saying Chaos also represents necessary functions in life, like how Tzeench represents progress, Nurgle life, and Slaanesh love and reproduction.

When you have Chaos representing all these things that are neutral at worst and positive at best, it makes me hard to believe there's literally not a single neutral or positive outcome to ever come out of worshiping Chaos over the course of tens of thousands of years across an entire galaxy.

>>52174119
>Worshiping the emperor does literally nothing

A lot of non-fluff readers who think they know around today.

>>52174269
>when there were a few hundred million humans in existence

>Still thinking in linear time

8th edition cant come soon enough

please just kill this piece of shit game and replace it with something better. Anything.

>>52174227
>>52174258
>sob acts of faith
These are a game mechanic that makes no narrative sense. The implication is that the emperor explicitly only intervenes in the affairs of the adeptus sororitas and every other army of faithful imperial soldiers get to go fuck themselves.

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>>52174269
>Billions of Humans have been worshipping the Emperor as a god for ten thousand years and nothing happened.

Go read the fluff, 1d4 chan doesnt cover everything.

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>>52174354
40k will never die.

>>52174372
The other armies arent the militant arm of the Emperors church anon.

>>52173220
Daft punk teleports to the 40k universe, what happens?

>>52174388
40k has to die to live

It cant keep going as it is.

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Dis any good?

1000 points for zerg armies

>>52174398
They die.

>>52174416
Aww. I was thinking if they would join the ADMECH.

>>52174403
>It cant keep going as it is.

Change =/= death

The only way to save this company is to stop supporting it until it burns to the ground, and when the uppity anti-gamer owners lose their shirts and finally realize that they make games and not miniatures, then and only then will the company unfuck itself. And make sure Hasbro doesn't buy them out. Until it goes bankrupt, its not fixed.

Their prices are god awful, their decades of game shop failed relations are well documented (get local shops to stock product, get good customer base, and then open up a Hobby Lobby or Games Workshop store nearby and drive the local games shops out of business by direct sales under pricing, and then when no competition remains, jack up prices to above full retail). Their model quality is nothing compared to modern fabrication techniques and quite frankly sub par in both detail and quality to anything put out by CB, PP.

Their product support is legendary for lack of support. I still have a box of Battlefleet Gothic from the first time they put it out somewhere in my attic waiting for the heat death of the universe or finally releasing the rest of my race's ships. Speaking of unfinished and/or unreleased products, Blood Bowl, there's been pretty much one limited release every human generation so far, and I think we're still waiting on the rest of the armies or even a full retail release that bypasses worthless hording store owners and ebay scalpers (same thing really). And what about that other black swan, Space Hulk? The game so fun you can't find it! I've yet to see physical proof it even exists outside of a few youtube videos and an old marketing pamphlet. Say what you want about Half Life 3, Duke Nukum Forever, Last Guardian, and FF15, but at least most of those actually came to exist. I have never met anyone that has even seen much less touched a Space Hulk game.

And lastly, lets not forget about the...sporadic...rules releases for non-space marine chapter armies. Armies with rules so old that they spanned entire editions.

>>52174016

750 points Tau CAD:

Cadre Fireblade 60 points

5 fire warriors 45 points

5 fire warriors 45 points

Taunar Supremacy Armour 600 points.

>>52174416
>>52174433
Then get chosen to play shows for Slaanesh.

Dieing is step one.

>>52174396
The Emperor doesn't have a church, anon, he personally specified very clearly that he isn't a god, shouldn't be worshipped as one, that you shouldn't believe in gods at all.

>>52174415
Go lasplas on the razorback over ass cannon.
split the preds in to two squads.
Also, why a missle launcher on a squad in a razor?

>>52174436
How does it feel like, living in the past and all that?
Just a quick spoiler: Age of Sigmar will rep,ace whfb. Just so you can prepare.

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So the "big news" was fucking nothing.

Scouts vs Ork boys boardgame.

>>52174501

So las-plas + 2 baal squads + Plasma gun on razorback is ok?

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>>52174475
I have some bad news anon

Hes dead so we did it anyway

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Sup /tg/, my car broke down today on the way to the Geedubs. Hose that connects the engine to the radiator EXPLODED within spitting distance of my house. Now I'm stuck here with this thread, and no 40k games.

>>52174533

This is fucking bullshit

Isnt there one of those shitty games with scouts vs gennestealers already?

>tau are a shooting race!
>BS3
It goes both ways faggot.

>>52174372
We're talking about zealots here.

I don't know what you expect worshipping the Emperor should bring about? The all of the Emperors faithful should suddenly sprout Angel wings and be constantly bathed in god rays? That all his subjects should be immortal? The Emperium is founded on sacrifice, and it is sustained on sacrifice.

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>>52174533
>spiritual successor to Necromunda >nothing

>>52174533
But anon, I was led to believe that new super Space Marines would come, Guilimarines if you want to say so! And massive revamps, an age of the Emperor! Don't let me down on my paranoid fear and expectations!

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Got a tournament coming up intended for newbies (of which I am one), with more experienced players allowed (which does scare me to be completely honest) at 1250 points. This will be the first tournament I've gone to and was wondering how this list looked. Ya, I know I'm using nobz, but they come in the start collecting box and I'm not at the point where I own more models than I can fit in an army so I might as well use what I got.
Since this is a relatively low point bracket would it be worth it to instead use the deff dread I have or nah?

>>52174533

The blog says it's just the first reveal

>>52174553

If you wanna calm down, imagine you're a majestic African stork flying above the Savannah.

Chased by Kharn with a jump pack[/Spoiler]

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>>52174301
this better?

>>52174537
Las-plas is better in my opinion because it can move 12" and fire both, allowing you to blow away vehicles and reliably harm monsters.

Squad in the razor needs to disembark to fire so give them any weapon that can disembark and fire. Melta or plasma is great.

Also
>>52174415
Different types of flamers fire at different times so swap the hand flamer on the tactical sargent for a combi-flamer or at least swap the boltfug for it instead so you still have the bolt pistol to go gunslinger (harder to model but worth it).

>>52174583
Unless you're using a special formation you can't use that many HQ units. A CAD only allows for two.

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>>52174533
>Ork boy getting beaten up by a scout
>I2
>s3
>melee race

>>52174600
I was going unbound

>>52174583
> 3 HQs in CAD

Could you at least pretend to read the basic rules?

>>52174572
Without telling you to change the units you're using.

You seem to be using each unit you have in the most optimal way.

>>52174533
>>52174566
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvgv2aFfy9w the GW rep talks about it here around 1:30:00. And specifically references the Necromunda ruleset and mentions that most of the factions in 40k will have rules support in the box

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Any suggestions how to tweak the list Anons? Not sure about extra CC weapons on troops instead of some special weapons.

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>>52174606

>>52174551
you didn't please the Omnissiah
now you pay the price

>>52174637
Who said anything about a CAD?
It's unbound.

>>52174583
>3HQ
Either give up or post the exact list you were given without changing anything because you're clearly too retarded to think for yourself.

>>52174573
99% chance it's just another shitty nixed game.

1% chance it's necromunda with regular 40k armies, which is something that desperately needs to exist.

>>52174583

>3 hqs for a fuckton of points total

>Captain still 225 points

>Shitty scouts on a shitty transport

>Still no grav

You suck at lists, lmao

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>>52174606

It's funny because he's clearly just casually backhanded the Ork.

>No, bad Ork. Sit.

Okay so I can't find fucking information on how Crimson Fists do their markings. All I have painting wise is that they're deep blue with crimson left fist or both fists for veterans, but do they paint their pauldron rims in codex colours? Do they paint sergeant helmets red or some other colour? I've only ever seen completely blue red hands.

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>>52174640
>most
>tfw sisters get no rules again

>>52174119
>there's no reason to worship anything in the 40k universe
The Weirdboyz would disagree with that Even if their heads blow up from time to time, which is always good for a laff

>>52174641

Could be ok but too many footslogging troops and almost no anti-tank

>>52174655
>have CAD
>decide to give up obsec for a third shitty HQ
>515 out of 1500pts in 3 nodels

>>52174720
>which is always good for a laff

It gets them really fired up!

>>52174723
BRING BACK THE FOOTSLOGGING META
KILL ALL APCS
Except Land Raiders

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>billions of queerdari lives wasted so they can summon not-slaneesh
My sides

>>52174629
Then get ready to face armies consisting entirely of stormsurges.

>>52174723
What would you suggest to change?

>>52174761
Death guard, please leave

>>52174652
Clearly he needs to go visit his local Mekboy's shop to get his vehicle 'repaired'.

Does the ForgeWorld Legion praetor in terminator armor support heads with helmets? Can anyone suggest a nice match?

>>52174761

I agree m8

I love my spess mahreens but the meta dictates that I should fuck the lore in the ass with all those cool tweaks and troop organizations and istead spam bikes with grav guns and command squads comprised of only special weapons veterans.

I too miss the old days

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>>52174583

> Emperor's finest, reporting

All transports should be faster. That a Rhino and a Leman Russ move at the same speed despite one being a Battle Tank and the other being an APC is ridiculous.

>>52174802
Leman Russes are slower than Rhinos though.

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>>52174688

>army that nobody plays should get rules support

>>52174583
Most of those assault marines are going to be dead by the end of turn one. Rookie mistake I made myself. Drop a HQ, add another squad of assault, or drop assault altogether and add more bikes.

Just keep in mind that if a squad isn't in a transport, some of that squad will die during turn one.

>>52174767

Get rid of the demon prince, get a land raider for the terminators + chaos lord, or some form of transport.

Get more chaos space marines on each squad (5 marines never accomplish much)

>>52174533
If it's new, updated kits for those models, that actually might be something.

>>52174688
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>52174802
>Grotz, Sentinels, Daemon princes, Hormagaunts, and Wyches, and Servitors all move the same speed

Age of Sigmar at least got movement right.

>>52174801

That could work just by sheer numbers but you're fucked when fighting zerg armies

>>52174833
Nothing's actually happened yet anon. They're just speculating. Chill

>>52174566
>>spiritual successor to Necromunda
>another orks vs marines
>Necromunda
kys shill

>>52174836

Is that the game where goblin wounds dragons, humans, ogres, and orks with the same roll???

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>>52174629
This is my unbound list, think about this before you continue down this path.

>>52173803
>BS10
>no gun

Khorne'd

>>52174815
>The army that gives more profit per kit sold shouldn't get an update

Are you GW?

>>52174847
>SoBcucks continuing to get fucked by GW until their eventual squatting
>not absolutely hilarious
BTFO
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHA

>>52174850
Spiritual successor being the key part of that sentence.

>>52174861
Bloodthirsters can get Lashes of Khorne right? 6" range or somesuch?

They're actually more accurate at whipping people with those than striking blind grots in melee

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>>52174533

What happened to that big news about true scale marines?

Why don't WS10 models hit on a 2+?

>>52174857
No you're thinking of Dark Eldar shooting :^)

>>52174887
there will NEVER EVER be true scale marines

>>52174904
Because the game hasn't change since 3rd edition. It has been the same shit with random changes for change sake. No proper testing or reasoning behind the rules change.

>>52174904
Nobody knows.

It really should be a rule that doubling out the enemy weapon skill should make it 2+ for you to hit them and 6+ for them to hit you. WS 6 chumps guardsmen, WS 8 chumps marines, and WS 10 stuff chumps captains.

>>52174904
>WS10 giant eldritch demon beast that has been fighting for tens of millenia
>can miss against a WS2 Constript who is barely out of nappies
???????????????????????????????

>>52174801
I would love to lose to this list.

>>52173803
>what is a Lash of Khorne
Go play Aeldari.

>>52174904
You don't want units that are supposed to be good at close combat to actually be good at close combat.

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>>52174640
>that most of the factions in 40k will have rules support in the box

They had best. Who the fuck wants to buy old ass Scount and Boyz models? Need me my Tempestus Scion rules for this game.

>>52174904
because that would be op anon:)

cant have avatars and what not killing lots of dudes in cc.:^)

>>52174583
You know, I never liked the stormtalon gunship model but could never tell why. Only now did it hit me:

It's fucking JJ the Jet Plane! Fucking hell I hated that show as a kid and it's made me subliminally dislike the space marine gunship for a year without me noticing!

>>52174976

>Aeldari players using avatars

:^)

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>>52174858
Fite me

With the new GS book I'm even more sure that the mechanicum dudes are like THE worst trolls in the imperium.
>"Hey magos toaster_delta, you know all these hot shit weapons n stuff we have on mars? We could use them to defend the imperium..."
>"Nah magos lightbulb_epsilon_chi, lets keep them until some primarch awakes"
><lol'ing in binary>

Also whats up with the dark admech? In the HH books they got hyped up like shit because they were not bound by law anymore, vaults of moravec open and whatnot, yet it seems the only thing these faggots produce are defilers and heldrakes. GW is not even hinting that there are new chaos stuff that could be useful.

>>52174956
Assault is in a weird spot where you basically want to kill all but 1 of the enemy models on the charge, have them be fearless so they don't run, and then finish off the last one during your opponent's turn so you can charge again without getting shot.

>>52174870
>Spiritual successor
And where is Necromunda spirit?

>>52174533

>Can't even be bothered to name the Ork klan the Blood Angels are fighting

This is when you know you are NPC tier race

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>>52174858
Unbound lists are fun

>>52174987
do you have an unnatural hatred for flyers?

>>52174988
Dark Magos Ahlam Sahlam tried to create a new STC but the resultant demon ended up literally eating half of the galaxy, that's why we no longer have the Terra Secundus in the maps.

>>52174988
Dark Mechanicus are like 40k roleplaying players. Just slap a demon into a machine and be done with it.

Cult Mechanicus are bad at tech, Dark Mechanicus are even worst.

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Who is the biggest dick in the 40k universe? 30k inc too I guess

my opinion is maugan ra right now, but ive not read any of the books

>>52174987
You legit might not win with all the paroxysm and glances vs av12 and haywire youd take.

>>52174533
those boyz look really different, I thought gw only made art directly based on models these days

>>52175031
wot

>>52175054
they do? i think look a lot like the art in recent ork related stuff.

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>>52175037
>maugan ra

How can you be talking shit about someone so based? All he's done is fight, kill off a 'nid hive ship, teach, and bring a craftworld out of the warp.

Eldrad or Yvraine are the too biggest jerks. They did advance the plot of 40k.

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>>52174762
>queerdari

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>>52175010
my list is more fun than yours

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>>52175008
>Squigz, Klanz, and Kulture doesn't exist at all in modern 40k
>yfw

>>52174762
>>52175101
samefag
inb4 edited image "proving" otherwise

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>>52175037
>turn the necrontyr into soullesss robbos and set the War in Heaven into motion which makes everything bad for everyone forever
>indirectly creating the Orks
>leads to a schism between the C'tan, where a lot of them get eaten/mad by their fellows, which leads to all kinds of bullshit happening
>probably led Abaddon to his supermegaultradaemonsword of doom
>quite a dick

>>52175037
the emperor

>>52175008
>not naming the Ork klan
>Doesn't notice the black-white checkered 'eavy armor slab on the Ork's left shoulder
They're obviously Goff-related mate.

>>52174641
Switch out one of the havoc squads to have either las cannons or missile launchers. Autocannons are good for light stuff but almost everyone has a sturdy tank with armor 12.

>>52174985
I like the Avatar of Khaine a lot actually, and use it even if a Wraithknight is clearly better.

Brings me much sadness to know that my Avatars of Gods will never be able to match Primarchs.

Well, in fluff, I mean in crunch the Avatar can

>>52173462
Wut iz you talkin abo-

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>>52174815
>the army that nobody plays because it gets no support yet is constantly selling out of stock regardless shouldn't get more support
GW go home

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>>52175123

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hey any you power gamers try using Guilliman yet? ...is he g-good?

>>52174723
>8 auto cannons, 2 meltas, and a flying Prince
>no anti tank

Wat? Also, foot slogging DG is fine.

>>52174824
>Get rid of the demon prince, get a land raider for the terminators + chaos lord, or some form of transport.
>Get more chaos space marines on each squad (5 marines never accomplish much)

Oh, you're actually retarded.

>>52175158
MLs seem much more versatile - are they any good?

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>>52173220
I'm gonna be participating in a tournament and this is the list I'm running. Trying to make an army that is good (as I know there will be at least one douchebag with five riptides) but not cheddar as there will be a decent amount of newer players taking part. Is this reasonable?

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>>52175123
>he is STILL mad

What's a fluffy list oz Plague Zombies that can make more plague zombies? What do I need? I've heard yoi can do this with like some FW model or the pox hive thing.

>>52175248
What would you suggest to do about the list?

>>52175158
Tbh autocannons are fine for Av12. Glancing on 5s is not too awful.

But yes there should be lascannons.

>>52175271
dont like them much
problem is all these 2+ armor dudes and mcs running around who make lascannons much more attractive. Also the chance to blow up a vehicle due to +1 on the damage table.

>>52174533
Except that's not the only thing they're going to be announcing.

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Looks like old models but that is one bitching terrain kit.

Also can Plague Zombies shoot their autopistols?

>>52175331
READ THE FUCKING CODEX

>>52175330
>Space Marines
>Orks

In a Necromunda like game? Fucking assholes

Also Blood Angels vs Random Orks. At least name the Orks you lazy fucks.

>>52175138
he-he-HERESY

>>52175330
Yeah, it does seem like the standard gorrilla pose Orks. Pretty sweet looking tower/platform though.

>>52175008
This is fooking sweet though, I hope we get new models (orks).

>>52174551
go get a new hose, and fix that shit. Should take you a screwdriver, the part, and your time. And maybe some coolant.

>>52175311
Lascannons, on the other hand, are super expensive and you only get 4 shots total (aka prone to unlucky rolls)

>>52175272
>no servo skulls
For what purpose?

>>52175292
>>52174641

The list looks fine. The only thing I would change is drop 2 of the termies and add melta+combi to both CSM squads. There's probably enough points to even give combi melta to the rhinos.

>>52175353
It just came out chill, they probably will soon.

>>52175401
I'm running Imperial Agents so I no longer get those.

>>52175156
while goff does that the most, all orks do it.

>>52175388
Missile Launchers only get 4 rolls too, where it matters. Those blasts aren't gonna do anything against MEQ.

>>52175464
>IA
>Why.jpg

>>52175242
I saw someone proxy him in one game against a Tau player.
He got ignored and managed to kill a Hammerhead that didn't want to snap fire on Turn 4. That's it.

>>52175487
Don't want to pay the troop tax and I want two warlords.

>>52175330
>but that is one bitching terrain kit.
I imagine that alone will shift a ton of boxes. I certainly want one. More civilian terrain pieces are always welcome.

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>>52175115

But can you meme?

>>52175510
What Troop tax?

Inquisition codex does not have troops.

Also wouldn't the warlord traits only affect shit from the faction/formation anyways?

>>52175330
Oh look another shitty box game.

>>52174562
imagine battlesuits and fire warriors being BS4

>>52175524
People bought this! It clearly means people want more Blood Angels!

Clearly it had nothing to do with the awesome terrain we put in the box for basically nothing!

Quick let's reprint Codex Blood Angels!

>>52175115
I'm planning on running 6 Dreadnoughts in my upcoming Iron Hands army. Would that be any good?

>>52175330
10 scouts vs 10 orks

totally fair sides with no way this will be over by bottom of turn 2.

>>52175649

>fails to mention orks have 2 big shootas

gg scouts

>>52175649
Just you wait till the Orks are in melee range!

>>52173319
A Tyranid invasion is just one big space brain creature throwing little bug bots at you forever, a Nurgle invasion is just one big anti-space brain creature throwing little germ bots at you until the rift closes.

>>52175649
>boxed game
>using 40k rules
that's not how these work, man

Anyone else think abaddon is a really dumb BBEG? Someone else should lead chaos, abaddon is lame as hell, one dimensional and an abject failure.

I propose Perturabo since hes still chaos undivided and not a bitch ass marine but actually a primarch.

>>52175649
Its Necromunda 2.0 so it probably doesnt follow the same stats as the main rulebook.

>>52175557
>Inquisition codex does not have troops.
That is an excellent point.

I do, however, think warlord traits can still affect battle brothers. Am I mistaken?

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>>52175677

>abaddon is lame as hell, one dimensional and an abject failure.

>I propose Perturabo

>>52175537

If we're talking memey just get inquisitor corteaz and 40 orangutans for an even 1500 point unbound army.

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Since we're already getting spammed with noob armies

Strat:
....Group up
........Squad Issodon: Lias Issodon + Centurion Devastator Squad
........Squad Assrape: Saint Celestine + Shadow Captain Shrike + Vanguard Veteran Squad
........Sternguard Veteran Squads with dedicated Rhinos
....Infiltrate
........Scouts on objectives
........Sternguards in cover by the enemy
........Squad Issodon in the center of the map with broad FoV
........Squad AssRape as close to the enemy bulk as possible

So doc', how bad is it?

>>52175695
Honestly I got lost, with rules saying one thing while FAQs say other and later on the line say another thing.

>>52175677
Yes. But the Word Bearers should be the main CSM Legion. They're truly chaos Undivided and the largest legion. Also they hate the Black Legion, which is a nice bonus.

>>52174533
Anon, that's one thing.

They said they're be revealing lots of things.

That's the first.

>>52173220
Can someone explain to me what Fleet does?

>>52175688
Necromunda used the same statlines and eqyivalent profiles to second edition 40k. I'd absolutely assume they had the same stats based on that.

>>52175709
>Not liking the neckbeardiest of primarchs with, objectively, one of the best HH books.

>>52175272
Mortar Heavy Weapon Squads are pretty bad. I would drop them and 2 of the Sentinels to give all 5 squads Lascannons which can be devastating to Riptides and Wraithknights. That leaves you with 30 points. I would drop the Inquisitor and that leaves you with 100 points. With that, I think you should get Coteaz. If you take him in IA, you don't have to take his Warlord trait. You could re-roll it for him too.

>>52175664
That's when the scouts can finish them off!
>i2

>>52175123
>Eldgay players BTFO

>>52173220

Can you play WH40k without the regular GW pieces and use, idk, customized bottle caps instead?

>>52175784
Perhaps you should read the rulebook? you know that book where fleet is defined?

>>52175784

Ignores invulnerable saves.

>>52174640
>a second AoS started set
>with nearly exactly the same models from exactly the same factions
What's even the point.

>>52175353
I think the idea is it's necromunda but you can use any army with it instead of having the gangs.
So they'res going to be "gangs" of space marines, Orkz, Necrons, Deldar etc.

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>>52175784
Fleet is how most armies move through space. They roll their charge dice to charge at the next planet and then reroll to get a better result.

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>>52174000
>Not becoming part of the hivemind
It's gonna happen anyways, just hop in my mouth and get it over with.

>>52175838
40k uses true line of sight. so, technically, no, as there is no 3d part to bottlecaps (specifically)
but no one is forcing you to use GW models if your just playing with friends

>>52175838
You can proxy models, but what's the point of it then? It's okay to see if you like the way a model/army is played, but you should buy it later and not be that guy who turns up with a handful of bottelcaps.

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>>52175658
>"big" shoota
>ap5
>Bs2

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>>52175863
>just hop in my mouth and get it over with.

>>52175794
>Necromunda used the same statlines and eqyivalent profiles
similar, but different

Weapons and units were modified to more accurately represent underhive scrabblers rather than trained soldiers. Ammo rolls were also a way to balance stronger weaponry.

I doubt this game's going to be 40k-lite.

>>52175769
Thats what confuses me, lorgar is literally the reason why chaos is as powerful as possible today, yet he is never doing anything with his legion. He truly should be the leader of chaos, but for some reason GW have a boner for Not!Archaon for some reason.

>>52175863
It's like he doesn't even want to live forever as part of the great devourer.

>>52175784
Certainly annon, during the shoot phase you can run instead of shoot with 1d6 being how far you can run. During the assault phase you roll 2d6 to find out how far you charge.

Fleet lets you pick up 1d6 from a bad roll and reroll it.

>>52174119
Mother fucker explain living saints if worshiping the Emps does nothing. If it weren't for Emperor worship the entire Imperium would spontaneously fall into the warp.

>>52175925
One or more d6 bro. You can reroll both charge dice.

>>52175846
You have much more hope than I do

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>>52175010
That they are, friend.

>>52175351
They don't say in the CSM one. Also fuck off.

>>52175925
>>52175855
Am I allowed to run then charge?

>>52175885
Where can I find these proxy models?

>>52175762
Glad I'm not the only one.

>>52175803
I could do that but my goal for the squads is to stick 'em with the Inquisitor who'll act as a super-commissar with his Liber Heresius giving them Scout and Counter Attack and Hatred rather than having them sit in the back. Also, I have a deep-seated hatred for named characters. I might be better off dropping the mortars but I don't know what to replace them with.

>>52175965
No, because that would make assault infantry almost viable.

>>52175799
>One of the best HH books

Wich one? I'm not being ironic, I find genuinely curious, I've read and enjoyed some of them.

>>52175872
Isn't the line of sight marked on the model?

Black templars are being squatted since they have too much christian imagery.

Calling it now.

>>52175961
>>52175010
>>52174858

What progam do you use to make these lists
?

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>>52175918
Crazy right?!?! This galax-I mean these guys just don't get it.

>>52176014
read the OP

>>52176003
The whole Imperium has Christian imagery you dip.

>>52176014
idiot

>>52175955
*pops open rulebook*

Yep, you're right and I'm not.

So you can elect to roll a single die or both if you get a crap charge roll.

Which Primarch would it be easiest to talk into singing Sugar Sugar by the Archies?

>>52176033
Not for the last decade or so. Theyve slowly moved from crosses to just eagles and skulls.

>>52176014
I'd tell you to read the fucking OP, but today the OP is retarded.

>>52176014
Army list builder.

>>52175998
yes, but if your proxying with bottlecaps, there is no head in 3d space to look from, and no opposing body in 3d space to look to

>>52176044

Dorn.

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>>52175961
Fucking WAAC fags and their unbound spam lists, let me show you what a real army looks like.

>>52176051
OP has what he's asking for, he's just an idiot.

>>52175838
What the fuck did you said? Bottlecaps?! No, no, no, no...
Fuck you, anon. I didn't spent over US$2K over the years so some fucking hack would come and make a shitty version of my passtime mocking my effort and dedication, along with the dedication of all my battle brothers.
I bet you play fucking xenos, you filth.
I swear that if I see you in an event with your stupid bottle caps I will murder you on the spot.
MURDER your bitch ass.
Don't you dare make this mocking tranvesty of my game, I am fucking warning you! Little shit!!!

>>52176024
Some people just don't understand that the true emperor has four arms.

>>52176083

>Diamonds

Asthetic beauty.

Do Blood Angels benefit more from using their fast vehicles or using drop pods?
My thinking is that drop pods are good but vehicles can shield your jump infantry while they advance.

>>52176087
Yes but it's vague so I'll give him a little slack.

>>52176089
fuck you i'm not spending $2k on this shit game

>>52176089
cool falseflag

>>52176118
then why are you here lmao

>>52176069
So, if I add a little match with a face for a head on top of the bottlecap, it may work?

>>52175993
Angel Exterminatus.

It wraps up the Fulgrim arc, gives us a look at the loyalist legions after the Istvan Betrayal and gives us a reason for Perturabo being such a dick to Dorn.

>>52176113
He asked what we're using to make lists, and the OP only has 2 links with list in the description.

If he can't figure that out there's no reason to spoonfeed idiocy

>>52176113
No, not even a little. People are losing the skill to do basic search. I'm not even asking for "library use" just fucking read the OP and see if your question is in there first.

>>52176129
I mean if you get it to the right height and general shape of the actual mini it will work just fine

>>52176127
I mean, it, fucking faggots are ruining my hobbie and I'm having none of this bullshit!
Stop defending assholes.
Unless you are the same bottlecapfaggot samefagging, in which case, fuck you 6/10 made me reply, asshole.

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>>52176099
Not just beautiful, it's a legal bound army.

Just like this one right here!

>>52176083

Spamming the same unit 4 times is not a fucking formation.
People should not be rewarded for C&P a single unit over and over again.
How can people take formations seriously when it's literally a bunch of extra rules on top of spamming your favourite bullshit

>>52176158
Nice, I might come up with something more elaborate, such as lead base with acrylic for the body (since I have access to this shit), but will make a test version first.
Thanks anon, that was very helpful.

>>52176089
Space Marines are overated.

>>52176209
I think that anon is making fun of the idea that a list being bound stops shitty spam lists.

Even without riptide wing, being forced to take a few tax units won't stop someone from spamming shit.

>>52176138
Cool, thanks!

Already read the description in Goodreads and some non-spoiler commentaries and looks great.

>>52176240
>>52176127
Samefag.

>>52176279
It is. If you're gonna read it and you haven't read the rest of the Fulgrim story-arc you oughta read those first though. And if you're gonna read the Fulgrim story-arc and you haven't already read the Horus story-arc...

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>>52176091
One day they'll see. They'll all see.

>>52176315

Are there any Horus heresy books in which Horus eats one of those big sandwiches like Shaggy and Scooby used to make? Because I would read that book.