/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

>>52134639
First for Night Lords being worst

FIRST FOR THE IRON TENTH

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Some number for Sanguinius being fucking savage.

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What is your hobby challenge for next week /hhg/?

>>52134688
a krios, stripping a large LW army to turn into sneaky sneks.

>>52134688
get the details on my veterans done, then get my librarian, delegatus, contemptor, and rapiers primed and basecoated
then maybe give them a spray of tamiya smoke, if i can get there

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>>52134688
Nearly finished the command Land Raider. Needs powder and a few more details reworked.

can someone clarify how artillery works, especially with rapiers?
does the gun count as a model, or does only the crew?
can i target the gun specifically, or does it have to hit the crew?
finally, if an artillery model is hit with a weapon that forces a strength check, does the artillery piece automatically fail, as it has no strength value?

I've decided I needed a break from the Ultras for a bit and have decided on Sons of Horus for my next project, as I feel like the "barbaric" look would serve as a nice contrast to the UM's Roman-esque aesthetic. However, I need help with a scheme. Does anyone have the FW Marine pics of the Sons of Horus, particularly any variant schemes they might utilize? If not, I have no problem looking through the book scans, I just thought I might ask. Thanks in advance.

>>52134910
The gun model als counts as a weapon. The gun and crew function just like any other unit, so wounds are allocated to the closest model.
As long as there is at least one gun model, the whole unit has Toughness 7 against shooting attacks.
In close combat however the gun models are ignored, and the stats of the crew are used.

And finally, the gun models do indeed automatically fail Str tests.

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>>52134937
do LW /transitionary period SoH, with whites, greens and reds. like this gentleman.

>>52135073
*The gun model also counts as a seperate model

>ofcourse I fuck up the first sentence when explaining something ...

What country are you from and what legion/legions do you collect?

>>52135091
a fucking leaf
Iron Hands

>>52134820
Nice job bro, how did you make that textured look? It's awesome.

>>52135091
sweden
mechanicum
alpha legion
looking at solar auxila with desire in my eyes due to volkite russes.

>>52135091
Blighty
Alpha legion
mechanicum
fite me 1v1

>>52135091
Germany

Iron Hands.

>Metallic screeching.

>>52135118
>cuck contry
>cuck legion
pottery

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>>52135150
>>52135224

>>52135233
step away from the keyboard and shove another cultist up your urethra, fulgrim

>>52135091
Netherlands
Alpha Legion

>>52135250
Geert, what are you doing?

We have to many Alfalfas as is, or is this a clever ruse to make us believe in AL numerical superiority? Again?

>>52135091
Funland
Imperial Fists

>>52135240
You seem bitter about the truth friendo

>>52135091
Sweden
Alphafag

>>52135264
It could also be a misinformation campaign...

>>52135282
To make us believe they are less numerous than they are through boasting about their numbers?

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>>52135301

>>52135277
where in sweden are you fellow alpharius? stockholm here.

>>52135276
>getting IH and IW confused

>>52134688
The pace at which you knock out great looking miniatures is killing me, anon.

>>52135358
>implying there's a different
you're all the same to me tin man
that was the joke you silly head

>>52135250
Mijn neger.

>>52135345
Lund, brother Alpharius.

>>52135345
>>52135395
Word Bearer and future World Eater in Borås. It requires a great deal of faith to live here.

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>>52135091
Finland

Night Lords
Death Guard

>>52135377
I just use a lot of water so I can coat quickly and be sloppy.

>>52135091
trudeauland
Sons of Horus

>>52135091
Straya
Night Lords, mechanicum, occasionally militia with fantasy models

>>52135091
Scotchland
Thousand Wrongs

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>>52135091
maplestan
night lords

>>52135091
Netherlands
Alpha Legion

>>52135091
Finland, the land of a thousand swamps
DG

>>52135091
Germany
Thousand Sons.
Currently waiting for Custodes to be released as standalone kits.

Well, SW is Viking barbarian, but what barbarian is LW/SoH? Celtic? Germanic? Goth?

>>52135727
BTW, what other 'barbaric' people were historically famous? All other I can think of are Huns and Mongols, and WS took them all.

Is haywire affecting void shields?

>>52135091
USA
Raven Guard
Mechanicum

>>52135732
celts, early aztecs,vikings
>>52135735
yes

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>>52135091
Britbong living in Euro-taco-land
World Eaters

>>52135783
How did you paint you white? It looks 'dirty just enough' for me.

>>52135797
Pretty sure he just basecoated it white then washed it heavily with a highlight after.

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>>52135797
Thanks.
Think I've posted my white recipe in /wip/ before, but here you go.

>Prime Army Painter matt black
>2 thin coats of Ulthuan Grey, until the colour's strong enough
>All-over wash with Army Painter Strong Tone, mixed 50/50 with Lahmian Medium
>Edge highlight with Ceramite White

And that's it!

(pic is my favourite model I've done for this army)

>>52135836
That is fucking brilliant conversion work, 10/10 would play against

>>52135727
Anyone got any idea why this question gets asked several times a week now?

>>52135836
Oops, I mistook your minis for someone else, sorry.

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>>52134672
I weep for him

>>52135836
Warriors of Chaos base? Or entirely different company's?

>>52135848
Thanks mang, very proud of him I've only ever played one game and he got 1-shot by Alexis Pollux :,(

>>52135898
Whose did you think they were?

>>52135911
The base model was the free Slaughterpriest from WD a while ago.

>>52135732
Thracians, Scythians, Sarmatian, Alans, Vandals, Goths, Saxons, Pechenegs, Cumans, Tartars, Mitani, Navajos, Comanches, Mapuches...

Even after literal months of going back and forth I still can't decide which of the traitor legions I want to play. The only thing I know is that it won't be Word Bearers. Fuck those guys.

>>52135941
Guy who made the Imperial Fists that were painted as Iron Warriors.

>>52135091
Straya
Sallies

>>52135974
Strayamanders

>>52135957
Death Guard

>>52135091
Brazil
planning to start Thousand Sons

>>52135091
Brit
Imperial Fists

>>52135957
These dubs say IW, DG and WE shattered legion.

Hey guys just needing a little advice. Started HH last week and decided I dig Perturabo and his dudes. Finding the colour scheme boring as all hell though, should I stick to it as HH players seem to have more of a serious, "things should be how they are in the fluff" vibe than regular 40k.

>>52136059
Or can I make my own scheme up bit tiw it in?

>>52135727
I've always seen them as late celts/celts under roman rule.

>>52135973
Jesus, I never expected to get mistaken for KnightAnon...

>>52136059
Paint them how you want, as long as they don't look like Imperial Fists.

>>52136059
What would you change about their colour scheme ? As long as it looks dope AF there is always some leeway

>>52136089
Your WE look too good to be from KnightAnon. Unless he's done some serious work since last time he posted pics.

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>>52136059
What would you want to see in a colour scheme?

>>52135091
australia.
will be doing raven guard.

but been using my 40k chaosmarines as world eaters just to get games in the meantime.

>>52135091
US and A
Death Guard
and once Sanguinius/ Angelus comes out Blood Angels

>>52135091
Hickland, USA
Thousand dindu nuffins

So anons, have you played against new Sons, Wolves or Custodes? How were they? Were they fun to play against?

>>52135091
Canada
Legio Custodes
maybe Alpha Legion

>>52136093
>>52136137
Maybe just some kind of colour. Keep the hazards/rusty theme onthe shoulders and knees etc, but make their armour a deep green or some other dark shade of colour

>>52135957
You need the chart.

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>>52136268
>maybe Alpha Legion
Sounds a lot like what an Alpha Legion player would say.

>>52136257
Ran into the new Wolves a couple weeks ago with my Mech, they got torn apart in short order. Spartan deathstar with Russ and some fancy Termies and FnP dude was pretty much the only unit with effective shooting bar two Dreads, so he just completely failed with footslogging blobs. Grey Slayer power weapons gave my Adsecularis a hard time, but even with movement buffs they're not a patch on World Eaters.

>>52135091
Burgerland

Mechanicum, IH, Custodes

>>52136271
A dark blue/grey might work. The grey-ness would keep it fairly close to their usual iron colours, but a blue tint would add some colour and contrast with the yellow of the hazard stripes.

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>>52136271
>make their armour a deep green or some other dark shade of colour

>>52135091
Britbongland, Mechanicum of all varieties.

>>52135091
Bongistan
Dark angels

>>52135091
australia
Death guard, custodes, diorama of all legions, now sons of horus as well.

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>>52134688
>no power weapons/fists on sergeants

Did DA wear robes yet?

>>52135091
United States
Iron Warriors

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>>52136501
>wasting points on sergeant equipment

Man, the new Secutarii look cool as fuck. Are their rules any good in Warhammer 3+k? The Peltasts with rad-carbines look like slightly more expensive but better Vanguard, so I imagine they'd be decent line troops.

How are you guys equipping the Axiarch? He looks pretty damn good for cost, 3W BS5 5++ IWND marine with a situational Iron Hands buff in a big unit who buffs his army well. I was considering Power Fist and MC Photon Gauntlet, since he buys them cheap.

>>52136634
Also, do you think anyone would object to me using the normal Vanguard heads on my Carbine Peltasts? £20 is a lot for ten slightly different heads.

>>52136507
Yeah

>>52136634
Big problem with the axiarch is he's not an independent character, so is a little bit liable to get shot in the face unless you have a spare macrocarid for him to hide in or something.

>>52136656
I'd be cool with it, but then I think the normal vanguard heads look better anyway.

>>52135091
United States of Trump
BAngles

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>>52136675

Damn, didn't notice that. His death shouldn't stop the buffs as far as I can tell, though. Do you think that was another typo or it's intended? He does have that shield that only works in units.
Problem now is me deciding what Titan Legion I'll go for, or making up one of my own to paint the Secutarii. If I ever get a Titan, anyway, but Warhounds are cool and recasts exist.

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>>52136271
You could add red, you could add blue, or brown. You know, like the Ultramarines 40k chapter and their colour codes. After all, Warsmiths are usually in Independent Expeditionary fleet mode, and left to their own devices.
People may tell you IWs are expected to look always dirty and shell shocked, but that's only in the midst of a siege (which is too common, to be fair). In transit to battlezones, their notBare ceramite plate was polished and shiny again.
If you decide to add yellow expect memes though.

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>>52136675
>the axiarch is he's not an independent character
>Arc rifles are 12", the same as Arc pistols
FW FUCK YOUUUUUUU

>>52136768
>His death shouldn't stop the buffs as far as I can tell, though.
Don't agree. The detachment must contain one (or more) axiarchs to activate the extra hazard protocol options, and if he's dead the detachment no longer contains an axiarch, does it?

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>>52136810
If the Force Commander dies, will the Survivors of the Dark Age suddenly lose their Rhinos & better armour, and do Gene-crafted lose their increased stats?

>>52136810
As far as I can tell, it just gives them a special rule, it's not some kind of buff aura. It says "may be given one of the following bonuses" and nothing about that bonus being taken away if the criteria for giving them it is taken away afterwards. Also, if he was in reserve, say, he would also be "not in play" same as if he was killed, and the buff isn't denied there.

>>52135091
Belgium
Solar auxilia

>>52136810
Following that logic any army build around a ROW would instantly lose all benefits and possibly become an illigal army the instant the model with Master of the Legion dies. kek.

>>52134639
>The Emperor. He looks like a man that could use a drink if I ever met one

>>52135091
GW-Land

XIII Courage and Honour

>>52136862
I thought it was a turn-by-turn thing where you choose the rule you need at the time. My bad. Serves me right for reading the B&C tactica threads again ("active deconstruction confluence on the turn your haywire dudes jump out of their transport, so any penetrating hits do more damage").

>>52136852
...but for what it's worth, you pay points for provenances, so it's not really the same. ROWs as >>52136887 say are a better comparison.

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>>52134688
>An awoo player wanted to, eventually, build an entire SW company
>This DG guy will build the entire fucking legion, get a hoodie and a scythe, load them all in his car and fucking ram you house

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>>52134688
>>52136970
Srry, wrong related pic :^)

>>52135091
Surrender cheese eating monkeys Republic

Ultramarines, Night Lords, Legio Custodes

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>>52134688
Probably taking a small break with the painting actually, there's a hueg battle to celebrate the end of a 30k campaign planned. But just finished these three dudes.

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>>52136991
You should have asked them what was the name of their guys as well.
I wonder what would Swede Alphas or French UMs would be named as, and such.

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>Even in the Imperial Lie, sometimes you find truth. There is indeed a season for all things. And now that I see myself mind-to-mind and soul-to-soul, I know I cannot raise my hand against you. But know this: you are my greatest disappointment.
>Does your master hear me? Father!? You can kill me, but you will never have my Legion! My strength is not in steel and fire! That is what the loyalists will never understand. A season for all things: a time to live, and a time to die. A time to build, and a time ... TO DESTROY!
>Come now, M'Shen. There is one final thing to discuss.
>The assassin has overcome my final defense, and now she's come to murder me. In the end what separates a warrior from a slave? Weapon Skill? Power? No, a warrior chooses...a slave obeys.
>You think you have memories. The Palace. An Imperial Order. A Thunderhawk. A crash. And then this place. Was there really an order? Did that Thunderhawk crash, or, was it hijacked? Forced down, forced down by something less than a warrior, something bred to sleepwalk through life until they're activated by a simple phrase, spoken by their kindly master. Was a warrior sent to kill? Or a slave? A warrior chooses, a slave obeys.
>Come in
>Stop, would you kindly?
>"Would you kindly", powerful phrase. Familiar phrase?
>Sit, would you kindly? Stand!...would you kindly? Run! Stop! Turn. A warrior chooses, a slave obeys.
>KILL!
>A warrior chooses!
>A shlave obeysh!
>OBEEEEEEY!

>>52136791
>Iron Warrior
>clean armour
That malingerer better get himself into combat before his boss sees him.

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>>52137128
Nah, orders from the boss himself. That armour will be dirtier than a DG in no time, yet still gotta polish it almost right before stepping down the trenches again.

>>52137021
why Alpharius of course :^)

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>>52136969
Yeah, if it was like that, it would be a bigger deal that Axiarch guy wasn't an IC, but it would mean you'd have some Alpha Legion-level versatility. Spend the first turn crouching next to a Shrouded titan with 4+ reroll 1 FnP5+ rerollable and tanking small arms like 12ppm Terminators, turn 2 activate Deconstructive Confluence and Haywire guys with Droplites and drown their Rhinos and such in Rending AP2 hammershot, then Turn 3 turn the turbolasers on any hard targets and blast the rest with either a storm of hammershots or Preferred Enemy radstorms.

As is, it's either PE:Infantry or FnP 5+, or certainly the latter with a Warhound. They're extremely cheap for what you get, too, 12ppm for a Marine (4+ FnP 5+ = 3+ statistically, and Kyropatris makes you functionally T4) with an Assault 3 18" Bolter and BS5/BS2 overwatch is amazing, even if they can't run.

>>52137280
>Preferred Enemy radstorms
I ran some numbers, Hammershot behaves the very same same way as rad carbines. Costs +3pts, but has +12" range, can affect vehicles and keeps the Barrage secondary weapon. I'm phoneposting.

And even then, both are outdone by rapid firing Arc rifles, but those cost more.

>>52137010
Is the guy in the middle Alpharius?

>>52137369
Trick question!
You are Alpharius!

>>52137347
Yeah, I think it's a question of whether you're transporting them in Triaros or not. If you are, you'll probably want the cheaper rad-carbines due to them being better against stuff in cover or with invulnerable saves, if not you want versatility, range and the ability to shield themselves or others. Still, 3ppm on an 11pt model is pricy enough to make it an actual decision.

>>52137413
I thought Shroud munitions were issued with to the Peltasts themselves, not with the Galvanic gun. Squads with Rad carbines should be able to shroud stuff.

>>52137457
It says you need a squad with at least 5 casters in it to use Blind Barrage, so nah. It's basically another alternate ammo type. I'm probably going to use the Carbines, because we play on small boards a lot and 60pts is a bit much per squad when I can buy a Triaros for twice that.
Not sure about Omnispex though. Maybe on Hammershot squads because they actually pen 3+ armour? Probably on the Droplites to screw with Jink, but not the Carbine blocks.

>>52137627
I see, it makes sense.
What's better, "Arvustasts" or "Peltarvus"?

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>>52134639
Good morning, /hhg/, how's it going?

>>52135091
'Merica
Emperors children

(Noise marines in 40k)

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>>52137821
Cozy morning, rained, gonna laze today, got a dub trips on the bus. Can't really complain.

>>52137739
>not taking arvuslites

I think 1-2 squads of Hoplites in an arvus/Triaros and 2-3 peltast squads hoofing it with hammershot rounds seems really appealing.

The Hoplites delet literally any vehicle out there (with the Triaros just hammering in the point) while the peltasts give support, stripping of 4.5~ wounds on a MEQ squad per turn. Make it even better with Thallax/Ursurax/reductor artillery to remove segments of the board at a time

>>52137821
Alright. Putting on some transfers and sighing about having to put more ammo-links on my next two rotor dudes. Those things are fiddly.

>>52137899
It's pretty cold where I am. It only went up to 48 degrees where I am. It's March in Mississippi. This is not normal.

>>52137935
Isn't spring come until the 21st? It's 17°C here, and at last rains in this desert-ish [REDACTED] place. Cozy cozy.

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>>52137934
Just remember it could always be worse.

>>52137900
>>not taking arvuslites
As in, the name, silly. Deepstriking Hoplites are Droplites, and while Arc Peltasts can do double the damage, Hoplites are far cheaper.

So, /tg/, I am bad at strategy. Which legion gives me the most leeway to go full "fuck tactics just kill motherfuckers".

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>>52137971
I don't remember honestly. All I know is that the weather here is freaky ever since the tornado.
>>52138004
World Eaters. It's pretty obvious.

>>52138004
World Eaters

Death Guard

>>52137739
May I suggest Arvasts? But then they sound like pirates, I suppose.
Not sure why you'd be dropping in those, though. Hoplites are cheaper by over 100 points, tougher and do more damage unless you're risky with the deepstrike. It's not like having 24 Haywire shots is much better than 12 unless your enemy is made up entirely of Fellblades.

>>52137900

Personally it's 1 or 2x12 Droplites, 2 or 3x20 Carbine Guard, then mandatory Thallax. Cost about the same, unless you buy the Peltasts Triaros, which are good enough for their points even without transporting stuff. Add Titan or Whalebird as required.

>>52138004

Iron Warriors if you just want to pick what guy to annihilate with artillery next, although that's no fun. You can never entirely abandon tactics, but I'd go for Inductii World Eaters. Can't score much, just charge and murder with S6 AP4 FnP 4+ basic dudes.

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>>52138004
World Eaters welcome you. Best primarch too.

>>52138016
>>52138022
>>52138023

Dammit. I love World Eaters fluff, and their playstyle just seems to be "punch every face", but holy shit all-white armour seems insurmountable.

>>52138036
Then do Death Guard. It's literally the easiest legion to paint.

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>>52138036

Then do platinum instead.

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>>52138036
You could do it if you tried.

>>52138072
but that's the old UM scheme

>>52138036
White primer and washing in recesses does the trick. Try it before you give up.

>>52138036
It's not too bad as I hear from my WE friend. Do a slightly dirty grey-white, much easier and looks a little better than those plasticy whites and yellows you see on some WE and IF. Be sparing with the blood effects and it'll be fine, someone posted a recipe earlier this thread:

>>52135836

>>52138036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veLfxJmIzyw

Just do as Emperor Duncan.

>>52138078
>>52138081

I just don't wanna start buying models before realizing I can't paint them. Until now my painting skill has just been

>basecoat
>all over shade
>drybrush

>>52138079
Thats the Astral Claws theme. Fuck off Smurf.

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>>52138193
>drybrush

In other news, Z told me he made his models with AB 水

>>52138072
How do you paint platinum anyway?

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>>52138214
This boy doesn't look bad.

>>52138193

>basecoat
>all over shade
>drybrush

That's literally what I did here
>>52134820

They're techniques you use to get a result. If you like the result then they're good techniques.

>>52138193
Do a test model then. If you don't like the end result, try again or find another legion.

>>52136485
Would you be so kind as to post a legion diorama pic, please?
Even if it's WIP, I would gladly welcome it, with no negative feedback.
I can't speak for the rest, however. =]

>>52137369
Giving a straight answer to that wouldn't be very alpha legion now would it :^)

Let's just say that in an army where everybody is equally Alpharius, he might be more equal than others.

>>52135901
We weep as we do what must be done for all, Brother.

>>52136286
Not the same Anon, but could you please provide the chart? Thanks.

>>52138248
MOULD LINES

>>52136988
Your first pic was well fitting, Friend.

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>>52137821
Pretty good, it snowed earlier but didn't stick. NC here.

Anybody else feel like Mechanicum could play the covenant really, really well?

>Tech-Thralls- Grunts
>Secutarii- Jackals (shield ones and sniper ones)
>Thallax/Myrmidons- Elites
>Castellax- Brutes
>Thanatar- Hunters
>Avenger- Ghost
>Krios/Artillery Tank- Wraith

Plus they're both overzealous members of a cult secretly worshipping ancient gods who spent their free time building galaxy-destroying doomsday devices! I wanna make a Mechovenant army now

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>>52138838
>mfw Mississippi doesn't even get snow
>mfw all we get is crunchy icy "snow"

>>52138872
Who are the covenant? I'm not cool enough to know what you're talking about just from the name.

>>52138916
Y'know, from Halo? The Alien bad guys

>>52134639
Hello I read Horus heresy - Master of Mankind a while ago and was wondering if a new book is released.

>>52136687
My battle brother.

The first legion for the first world country

>>52135091
US of A
Raven Guard/Pale Nomads
About to start Thousand Sons

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>>52134688
Just grinding away at painting troops.
Mr. Edgy Mc Edgington is almost complete.

>>52138982
All this stuff:
http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon

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>>52139218
I love what you're doing so far.

>>52139218
>"Hello? Yes, this is Death Guard."

>>52139218
Love the freehand on the cloak.

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Praetor Progress.
Will post more angles when finished.

>>52139218
Great work.

>>52139624
More shots of the helmet? Just ordered a whole bunch of those wings to sprinkle through my army and would like to see how they look on mk3.

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>>52139658
The wings are actually from a blood angels symbol that was cut up, it was more detailed than the blocky ones in the dangles upgrade sprue.

>>52139269
MOSHI MOSHI?
>>52139237
>>52139631
Thanks.
>>52139448
It's a decal from FW.

>>52139624
How'd you get the rough, corroded iron look on the sword?

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>>52134937
There's very little consistency - this is the lighter end of their green.

>>52139624
More angles of angels, please. The wings look a lot better than I thought they would, and the eye lens is perfect.

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>>52138036
It's more of a light gray, which really isn't so bad. For this guy I used Ulthuan Grey as the base, white nuln oil for a wash and pure white highlights. Bit messy but it's a small mini. And you can get away with a slightly darker light gray as the base color.

>>52139986
I want to see how hard keening, flailing armour autists try to justify how that helmet isn't MkVII with a fucking topknot.

>>52135091
USA
Planning to start Ultramarines and DAngles when Lion comes out

>>52139737
>It's a decal from FW.
Oh, you've done a brilliant paintjob nevertheless.

>>52140082
Yeah, I can sort of tell the Sarum-pattern helmets apart because they have a curvier bottom to the 'mouth', but that just looks like a Mk VII helmet.

That said, it doesn't bother me if Mk VII helmets were a pre-existing design. Maybe one that wasn't highly regarded but was simpler to make. It'd fit with M41 tech being leftovers from earlier, better days.

>>52134688
I'm waiting on some Wulfen Shields so I can finish my Grey Slayers, but I need to begin painting the tactical support marines I painted a week or so ago.

>>52135091
BEST COUNTRY, BEST LEGION
(USA- Space Wolves)

>>52136970
>>52136988
I've got close to half already.
Around 400 models at last count.

>>52137821
Good, looking up trucks to replace my Bel Air, and waiting on my GF to come back from her job so we can go grocery shopping together. Will probably prime some models tonight.

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>>52137010
I like the way you did the Pale Spear.

>>52140326
>tfw Alpharius is more viking than Russ

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>>52135091
Mexico
Raven Guard

>>52139218
This looks amazing.

>>52140298
>angrywiteguy

Not you...

>>52140411
ignore it

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>>52139751
Super easy, drybushed Boltgun Metal with a wash of Seraphim Sepia over the top. Did the pack in the same style.

>>52140072

>white nuln oil

Huh?

>>52140454
er, with* nuln oil

>>52134639
That comic makes me think of Metalocalypse.
>You know I get really really excited about really bad ideas when I'm drunk and its your job to talk us out of it
>Oh I tried I tried very hard buy you threatened to kill me if you don't remember

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>>52139986
Last Dark Angle before bed, will post more once its finished. Weathering up next and finishing details, considering some more fancyness to make him stand out as a praetor as well.

>>52140480
You're doing a really good job with the conversions, the models pose is great.

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I think I got carried away, I was supposed to finish these guys next week.

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So how's this for Babby's First List?

I want to stick with BaC/BoP stuff as much as possible.

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>>52140576
Also that's the first blob finally finished.

>>52140591

Shit, just realized I can't take Blood Madness.

>>52140596
congrats, speed daemon

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>>52140664
Thanks. Maybe I'll do the boxnaut next week.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=206m_H8GzmY

>>52139218
Hate to be an artist when your mode is fucking amazing. However, shouldn't the hourglass decal be tilted since the cape is moving and not laying straight down? It would definitely be crooked if the wind stopped blowing it.

>>52140762
Autist* however maybe there isn't a difference

>>52137821
How's the player base for 30k in Serbia?
In Croatia there's nothing that I've heard of.

>>52135250
>>52135633
Where my Dutch 30k bros at?

>>52140591
Surlak is a support officer, you have to have another HQ to go with him. Preferably one with Master of the legion

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>>52140596

>>52140171
>>52140396
Hey thamks.
>>52140762
I know man, I just slapped it dead center. It should be off to the right as the garment is kind of a half cape attaching to the shield emblem on the pauldron. I might fix it later.

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>>52140596

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Thoughts on Titans? Anyone actually played a game with them? I may or may not be taking my Genetors to a game with a Warhound for literally their first outing, so could I possibly kill it before I actually have the Whalebird? Currently a fairly standard Reductor list planned - 6 Thallax as comps, 40 Adsec, 3 Medusae and a bunch of other stuff, plus some Ursarax and possibly a Lightning. This is in a few months, but they're planning a 30k night already so I thought I'd see if I can join in.

>>52140518
Thanks anon, just 30-40 more marines to go.

>>52141101
>anon

>>52141133
I stand corrected.

>>52141078

It doesn't have any flare shields and it's AV14 front, just shoot it a lot or give it the chainfist.

3 medusae will be okay if you can keep them out of LoS

>>52141156
Forever Terra's sake don't actually give him any attention for it.

>>52135091

United States
Space Wolves
Solar Auxilia
Mechanicum

The Heresy should have lasted over 20 years.

>>52141595
Hey, with the pace forgeworld are going with releases it very well might.

>>52135091

Hong Kong
White Scars

>>52141609
in FW timeline it lasts like 10 years

>>52141634
You're no fun.

>>52141595
Nah longer even, the crusade should have been 500 or so years to make the terran and unification vets super old and experienced badasses.

>>52137110

Underrated post.

>>52141231
OK, I suppose I could introduce it to 6 Ursarax' worth of power fists, too. Would have to be a bit dodgy to avoid laser fire, but 24 S10 attacks should do some damage.

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>>52135091
Britain
Thousand Sons

Before I go, small update on the infantry portion of my company.
Used to be 600 tactical marines, in five 120 man sub divisions, six 20 man units in each.
Now it is 300 Bolter Grey Slayers, 300 Shield Slayers, 3 and 3 in each sub division
This way a unit of 20 can hold an objective with their bolters harassing the enemy before they get into CC, and the Shield Slayers can move out to slow down any enemy moving to the objective.


-Updated 1,000-ish marine split-

Infantry
300 standard bolter Slayers
15x 20 man squads.

300 Shield Slayers
15x 20 man squads.

150 tactical support marines
30x 5 man squads
>75x Plasma, 25x Volkite Caliver, 50x flamers

30 apothecaries
1x per Slayer squad

75 heavy support marines
15x 5 man squads
>20x Lascannon, 20x Missile, 20x Autocannon, 15x Heavy Flamer

75 terminators
15x 5 man squads
>50 Cataphractii "varagyr', 15 Tartaros

25 Deathsworn-as-command squads
5x 5 units, as of yet undecided armament

5 'Preators' as Ship-Captains.


The smallest unit would be one 20 man slayer unit, one support squad, one apothecary, and one Deathsworn-as-centurion for a 'Line platoon' (working title) of 27 marines. Gives the Ship-Captains a tactically flexible unit that if equipped properly can handle most threats.
Two of these paired together then get a five man unit of terminators, a five man Heavy support unit, a Dreadnought 'Ancient' and either three Predators, a LR, or a detachment of artillery.
Three of those units are then on one ship, and only if all three are present do the big guns come out like a Glaive, Fellblade, Mastadon, or Spartan come out.

The 1st Ship-company is all True-scale, and is there for small ZM or pick-up games.
It's and easy way to distinguish them on the table too, if I ever have the entire company on a table.

>>52141770
Ah, small epiphany.
'Line platoon' will now be Raiding party.

>>52141770
>>52141848
and I thought I was autistic for giving my battalion level collection a OOB.

>>52135091
France
Space Wolves

I would love to get into HH when i feel like my painting skills have gotten better, i've got my eyes on iron warriors, what do they play like and what would be the best buy to get into them? Thanks.

>>52141882
Do not reply to tripfags

>>52137280
>>52136809
>>52136675
>Axiarch isn't an IC
what the actual fuck
he has a kyropatris field generator. y'know, that piece of wargear that literally doesn't do anything unless the unit contains five or more of them.
I'm calling this an oversight, there's no fucking way he's not supposed to be an IC. you can even equip him the same as a hoplite; why would you have a one-man phalanx? that's just dumb.
at least playing it RAW if he's not your warlord you don't really lose anything by leaving him out in the breeze. he's only 60 points naked for a huge troops buff, I'd say that's worth giving up a kill point for.

>>52141985
the BoP box is a good starting point for troops, since IW usually use either MkII or MkIII armor. custodes and sisters sprues still seem to go for a fair amount on ebay so even if you're only buying it for the marines it's a pretty good deal.

beyond that, IW is all about shooting, being stubborn, and artillery. they have heavy weapons squads that are actually worth a damn and double as very solid anti-air, a RoW that is potentially seriously broken if you spam phospex mortars (don't do that if you want people to actually play you), and terminators that used to be a lot cooler when they were elites slots but at least are finally getting a model so you don't have to spend a goddamn fortune on cyclone missile launchers if you still want to run them.

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>>52142062
>he has a kyropatris field generator. y'know, that piece of wargear that literally doesn't do anything unless the unit contains five or more of them.
That's FW 4(You) :^)
Hell, FW is equally prone to "fix" their mistake by adding a Patris-Cybernetica-like rule that allows him to join Secutarii units WITHOUT actually giving him the Independent Character Rule.
Like the Magos Dominus
Because Fuck You, we're Forge ":^)" World

>>52141882
Ask anyone who has been here a while, I can out-autist most.

>>52141985
what >>52142176 said, but after selling the Custodes, sisters and un-needed special characters, pick up a B@C Contemptor and another set of MkIII marines.
40 MkIII marines, 5 tartaros terminators, and one dread is a very good start for a IW army.

>>52142200
>Forgeworld : we do 3/4 of the forging, the last part you gotta do yourself

Can't say FW doesn't force players to 'Forge the narrative' :^)

>>52142308
Has anyone here ever tried to apply to FW as a proof-reader?

>>52142425
The first step to healing is acceptance.

>>52142176
>>52142264

Awesome, thanks guys!

>>52142425
They don't take those anymore, or at least not from outside their established circle. They used to.
I thought about applying there some years ago, but now I've gotten to a position where it'd be a step down. Also I'd probably go insane from being unable to force through fixes. I doubt NOBODY there notices the things we do, I think it's more a case of it'd cost too much time, money and staffing to sort it out, so fuck it.

Mechanicum and customisation.

Does the 30k mechanicum have the crazy customisations and almost non standardisation thing of the 40k mechanicus.

I've always wanted to do a Strogg styled mechanicus force and my local group has pretty much become 30k only, would a thagmata army that uses basically none of the proper minis be accurate/acceptable?

>>52142559
if anything you have a lot more lore justification for doing really crazy shit with a taghmata. every forge world is a little bit different, and some are a lotta bit different. since a taghmata is more like a feudal military force raised from whatever they can muster on the forge world and surrounding support worlds they tend to have some really weird shit going on.

>>52142528
With the prices FW asks it is a bit rediculeous how many errors there are though. But then again Apple is also doing great...

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>>52142559
>Strogg
Sounds cool after a quick google, anyone who would refuse to play you with that wasn't worth playing in the first place, as long as you keep roughly to base sizes and model dimensions. Go nuts, and it tends to be cheaper than FW too if you know people you can get minor bitz you need off rather than going to bits sites.

I'm doing a crazy one myself, a Magos Genetor Explorator fleet with largely biological units and weapons that everyone's probably sick of me going on about. Centrepiece still on hold until I can find a base model costing less than £150. Might buy myself the 6 Thallax and some other stuff to do while I look, though. Going to have Stormfiend Castellax, Crypt Ghoul levies, some Dune Navigator-style Magi and bio-weapons all over the damn place.

RIP Whale-Stormbird, chaps. May she rise again once the internet coughs up something I can afford :(.

>>52142953
save up some dosh and get your 150 pound model you pussy
its a centrepiece for a reason

>>52142925
yeah, that's the big thing for me. the HH books cost too much for them to be this sloppy. there's major mistakes or missing rules in every rules section of inferno. I thought people were overreacting when the book first came out but it is really that bad. considering how fucking long it took for this to come out there's no excuse for this level of quality control in the writing. it's not like there's even that many pages of rules...

>>52143008
Well, that's just for the main body. Seeing as I'd need two or three extra kits (Probably Baneblade, Firestorm Redoubt and something flying to make a bridge and engines from) and a whole bunch of materials and random parts to actually finish the thing, ideally I don't want to have it cost more than me just buying a Warhound Titan and weapons straight up.

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Does anyone run triple flyers as their LoW?

I'm contemplating that as an option for TS since I believe people are gonna try to tech against Magnus super hard

>>52143110
You built it up too much to stop now!

>>52143202
>tech against magnus
>trying to exploit the metagame and not just building an army you think is cool
go back to 40k

>>52143202
It's not well known now, but once a proper meta is established for HH7 I bet it'll be popular for Talons.

>>52143293
You know what's cool?

Army that's standing on the table

>>52143292
That I did, and I'm not going to stop. May have to slightly downsize ambitions and add a smoke trail to the model to get it to proper size, though.

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>>52143342
stop being a waacfag

Alright guys. I've never played 30k but I am thinking of starting an army. I absolutely love breacher squads. However I've seen anons here say they aren't always great. One anon in particular said the best choice for breachers would be thousands sons raptora. Now I don't have any particular affinity for the thousand sons, but if they give me the best chance to field breachers hands down, I'm in. I am not fond of their paint scheme so I would paint them in their pre-primarch livery. I am not in possession of any of the necessary books or rules, any anons point me in the right direction? Even better a quick run down of why raptora breachers are a better option than breachers under another legion.

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>>52137110
>These sad saps. They come to Prospero thinking they're gonna be captains of the covens, but they all forget that somebody's gotta shoot the boltguns. What an angle they gave me... I hand these mugs bolter and a set of power armour, and they give me their lives. Who needs a planetary system when I got Magnus' Thousand Sons?

>>52143380
First of all, download the rules and play zone mortalis if you want breachers

>>52143380
Mainly because of +1 to invulns that raptors give.
The other two legions that come close to making breachers worth it are IF (because Stone Gauntlet) and U (because 1/2 price power swords).

>>52143378
You know what's not waac?
Winning with no cost

>>52143447
I'm fine with zone mortalis but I'm thinking it will be harder to find people to play with, and I'd rather field them in a regular non-restrictive list.

>>52143380
In addition to the obvious choices of Thousand Sons (better invul saves), Ultramarines (invictarus suzerins) and Imperial Fists (better toughness), two legions that can do surprisingly well with breachers and the Raven Guard and Alpha Legion, purely by dint of being able to infiltrate them. Breachers are a defensive unit that you mainly want standing on an objective being difficult to shift, and those two can get there breachers in place turn 1, without having to pay loadsa points for land raiders (which also restrict squads to 10). Also means you can line up grav gun shots turn 1 with a bit of luck.

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I've not been able to find a game to play yet, but I have some FW units and would like to try some day.

What do y'all think of this for 1000 points?

I figure I will use polux for deep striking him and the warders using the nuncio vox

>>52143380
I would pick the legion you like the most and just run Breachers anyway. Compromising your fluff choices just to get a better chance to win is kind of lame, if you'll forgive me for saying.
Other legions have decent to good breachers. You can just manipulate the options to make TS the best ones.

All the best with your love of shield dudes tho, they're great models.

In a Sub-Orbital Strike Wing, can you take vulture gunships?

For my head of the gorgon list, I have 2 heavy support unused. My plan originally was a 3x predator squadron with lascannon sponsons and autocannons.

But I've got the points and slots to instead do 1x sicaran venator and 1x sicaran with lascannon sponsons. Should I go with that instead?

The predator autocannons are fairly important because other than my 3 thudd guns and two dreads (cortus with assault cannon + deredeo) I don't have a lot in my list designed to put out a lot of long range multiple shot firepower. But the sicaran would still give me half as many shots while being twin linked as the predator squadron (though losing 4 lascannons) and it gets backed up by the S10 AP1 ordnance 2 venator.

>>52143672
I'm actually right there with you on that, I just don't want to get curb stomped by everyone and give my dudes a chance. If It's possible to make a good list with another legion I will definitely consider my options. And also I don't mind the pre-primarch thousands son scheme, would just have to come up with some fluff. Going to try to figure out all my options.

Speaking of Breacher talk, what do people think of medusan immortals?

>>52143380
You don't have to run Thousand Sons - and I really wouldn't if you're not very interested in them. Fluffwise, they didn't do much between Prospero and Terra. They've also got a "flavor of the month" stigma because their rules appear to be very strong.

Imperial Fists have a rite of war (Stone Gauntlet) that uses Breachers as compulsory troops and gives them +1T under certain conditions. IF all get +1BS for bolter weapons, too. Some people do really well with it - just remember they're the anvil and you need something else to be the hammer. Their special Breachers (Phalanx Warders) don't have that great full-sized shield and don't offer much for the extra points, imo. No one uses their new RoW that lets them take teleporting Phalanx Warders (which doesn't sound that bad, imo).

Iron Hands have Immortals, special Breachers that look fantastic and can all take volkites. On the downside, they're +50 points for FNP (5+) and being able to snap shot instead of sweeping advance. Like Phalanx Warders and a lot of other legion-specific units, they suffer from the generic book coming out later with a bunch of points reductions. IH's legion rules incude -1S to all incoming shooting, and there's a new RoW that takes Immortals as troops (and they get stubborn if in the enemy deployment zone) and gives all Legiones Astartes units (i.e. infantry) Hatred (Traitors).

No one else does Breachers as well as those two. Don't let that stop you, though. They're not that bad, especially when so many players don't get much use out of their troops choices.

>>52143380
Personally I rate AL or RG breachers higher, purely because those can start the game where they need to be, make taking graviton guns on them viable, and allow for an apothecary to join them. Specially if you add a Vigilator you can usually choose which vehicle you want to rape turn one and scout even closer, with the added bonus of getting stealth for a better coversave. It really gets hilarious if you play the Recon Company ROW and have them gain shrouded too.

It's specially fun when people stopped using phospex mortars because no AP 2 and the fucktons of Str 5 hits usually killing a unit no matter what ; re-roll saves with Voidhardened, add an apothecary and those breachers are basically invulnerable to any blast or template weapon that isn't AP 3.

Iron hands breachers also are decent with the -1 Str for enemy shooting, and they even have their own version of breachers with more weapon options and FnP that can't be removed by sniping the apothecary.

TS raptora breachers are rated highly purely because their invulnerable save gets boosted to 5++/4++ but they'll still need transportation to get where they need to be. Which usually means a land raider with no room to add an apothecary, which is why I like AL/RG more.

>>52135091
Spain
Imperial Fistos

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How do you guys do white wings?

Looking for something like this, thanks.

>>52143869
I want to use them, but they're not very useful
too expensive, and while resilient, won't actually kill anything unless you fork out for volkite.
they also don't get meltabombs like regular breachers which hurts their ability to deal with armoured threats

>>52135091
Finland.

Militia, SW and DG.

>>52143905
Not Crimson Fists?

>>52143110
if you spend the time and do some planning you can do a lot with plasticard and sculpting putty.

>>52143473
No dumbass, you miss the point. Aside from people not wanting to play with you, Waac means all you care about is winning, no matter the cost.

40k Eldar is crawling with waacfags, but that doesn't make their lore any less intriguing or their models any less cool. But it does mean the first, last, and only concern of a ton of their player base is 'how do I win games easily', which is totally against the spirit of play, which is for everyone to have fun in a """strategic""" game.

>>52139218
What did you use for the legs anon? I recognize the torso.
Excellent work

>>52140518
John?

>>52143869
>>52143920
>while resilient, won't actually kill anything
That's basically what Breachers do, and it's a useful role as long as your whole army isn't doing it.

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>>52140779
I honestly don't know if Serbs do play 30k at all.

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Plz r8

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>>52144135

>>52135091
Donbass
30k World Eaters & Lamenters

>>52144358
On one hand, I feel that that is entirely and obnoxiously too much gold. On the other hand, it's an Emperor's Children Land Raider and being obnoxious cunts is their MO.
9/10 for compelling emotional response

>>52144358
Looks pretty EC, m8.

>>52144402
I shall name it the pimpraider

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>>52135091
Korean

Thousand witchfires

>>52144252
I decided to get a Galatus after an anon here pointed out they are a good tarpit unit, in addition to looking damn cool.

And I got my first 5 Custodes and the Contemptor on eBay paid for (say what you will about Chinks and recasts, but I'm pretty sure the Brit I bought the Custodes off of used a second account to bump up the bids on all his sales) and can't wait to get started working on them.

Thinking of getting a Burning of Prospero Box from the local store too, since I can use some of the marines to decorate the bases of my dreadnoughts with slain traitors.

>>52144449
Horus bless and may you never fail an armour save friendo.

>>52144449
>I shall name it the pimpraider
Ahem, post related >>52144391

>>52144449
M8, if you want a title like pimpraider in the EC, the thing needs decoration, I'm thinking spires, I'm thinking crenelations, and I'm thinking buying a model of Fulgrim, painting it solid gold and glueing it to the top.

>>52144456
Are you cute?
How do you feel about the idea of being smuggled to Europe and kept as a domestic pet?

>>52144619
No, I am not cute. I will never be cute.

As for the other, long as I get fed pineapples or duck meat on occasion, anything is fine.

>>52144619
Fabius go home.

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So /hhg/ what's your favorite armor mark and why?
Mines MkIII, narrowly beating out MkV. Up arumored and feirce, but also practical and modular.

>>52144252
True enough. For me they've always done okay on the tabletop, but in Zone Mortalis they really shine. For something like 300 points you can grab 8 guys with volkite chargers and 2 with meltaguns/graviton guns, which actually does really good work.

Anything short of a lascannon (or powerfist in CQC) struggle to take them out, and they'll do fair damage in turn. In Iron Hands tradition, they're a work horse that does well if it's treated right.

Work well with Gorgons too imo

>>52144700
Iron's shoulder pad is wrong in that pic. I love that extra bling on the rim.

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>>52144745
I love it too.
That was the only picture with all marks up to 8 that I could find.

>>52144644
Of course you can be cute! It's just a question of couple ... adjustments.

>>52144655
Mind your own business, will you?

Power Axe+Meltabomb vs. Power Fist. What's your choice and why?

>>52143202
Local solar auxilia sticks 3 units of veletaris into a wing of Valkyries for his armored lists

>>52144994
Fist for S10 ID shenanigans

>>52145015
Wait what is this rule I'm missing?

>>52144644
Will you be my gf (male)?
I will exchange heretical knowledge for eyes

>>52144744
Speaking of Gorgons, why has no one mentioned that they're better than Terminators?

Obviously they beat out all other contenders on armor saves, but for invulns they (again, obviously) beat regular/Tartarus, but also beat Cataphractii, taking .44 damage per wound after saves, compared to Cataphractii's flat .5.

However, they will lose out when you bring in Lascannon or other S9+ stuff, or S8 in close combat. Not bad at all, specially since they can bring Graviton guns along for the ride.


Btw, what happens to LA rules when you join a squad without it? Obviously individual buffs would stay individual, but would things like the IH -1str to shooting stack if you put him in a Secutarii Squad?

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>>52145151
>Will you be my gf (male)?

>>52145402
Jokes on you I'm an electo-priest your shocks only make me gayer

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>>52145151
>heretical knowledge

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>>52145481
And now you made me feel like Theodore Roosevelt.

>>52145481
I'm sure I heard one of the authors make an off-hand comment that they put a gay character in one of the HH books, but I can't think of who they were referencing.

Why the hell GW/FW make marines hold their gun in awkward hipfire stance?

>>52145521
Fulgrim, obviously.

Why are Alpha Legion the most popular? Do people just like the Alpharius memery?

>>52145015
Wait, since when do Solar Auxilia have Valkyries?

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>>52145568
>Why are Alpha Legion the most popular? Do people just like the Alpharius memery?
In the strawpol? It's Alpha Legion faggotry.

>>52145568
Color is nice, the "flexible tactics" means that they aren't one dimensional, FW has made really nice models for them.

>>52145521
In Thousand Sons one of the female rememberencer is a lesbian.

>>52145568
One of the best Legions; arguably the best Legion before Inferno came out.

>>52145646
>In Thousand Sons one of the female rememberencer is a lesbian.
Ah, thank you. Who it is had been bothering me whenever I remembered the question.

Someone explain Thallaxii to me, they seem like lots of points and dosh for a fairly useless unit. What are they even for? Why would FW waste such a good sculpt on such strange rules?

Also what does a good Mechanicum army even look like in 30k?

>>52145781
they're meant to be fairly resilient against small arms and be maneuverable enough to avoid heavier fire, and stick around being an annoyance against vehicles
they aren't the best, but still quite resilient and with some pretty decent hitting power against light/medium vehicles

>>52135091
Chile
Iron Warriors 88th Grand Company

Iron Within, Iron Without

>>52135091
The newly forged trash fire.

Sagyar Mazan shattered legions.
Scars
Fists
Angels
The three legions on terra to do their damn job at the end.

Fluffed as a loyal Terran Khan who refused to send his men away for their mistake, so he left with them. Ended up getting stuck in on Terra, but not with the rest of the Scars, thus the other two.

My god. People, stop giving the King of Yiffaggots replies. Tripfags don't deserve them, and he's being particularly obnoxious as an attention whore. I was glad he never showed up once when we were getting Inferno.

>>52145402
>>52145497
Deus Volt!

Are adrathic weapons basically star trek disruptors

>>52146236
They're just fancy disintegrators like on the anniversary space marine model.

>>52146197
So I'm the king? That's the nicest thing you've said about me.

I was away with my gf in morrow bay for the night.

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It's official now. Thank you anon, I've finally earned my name on this board.