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Pathfinder General /pfg/

What have you been doing with your bards lately? Your Rubato bards? Your skalds? Your Maestro sorcerers? Your Charlatanism hedgewitches? Your Stir Heart and Mind spellburst savants? Your Volksgeist avowed? Your Outrageous Lyricist vigilantes?
Tell us about your singing idols!

Unified /pfg/ link repository: http://pastebin.com/hAfKSnWW

Avowed Playtest 1: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5HkyGRtGZy3SWVhdWFBWERWWjg
Avowed Playtest 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rV7kaF9JL2gw9xQalkEnlEDL9WXtbsaCqNABm_pLIgc/edit?usp=sharing

Spheres of Might previews:
Part 1: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aLaYQEFAWU4zQBx58boJPPaySLgJc0Emmw9eKyIJeGI/
Part 2: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pyLq03W2ju58PcKOUq5YXoFowf_weBNzuWtjCMdINXk/edit
Part 3: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-LAt9Ti5pcnvHY4KnFRuItCjqtGM-YJC5r_0zXiKKUk/edit
PS: Outdated, playtest should be out next week but that's not a promise.

Bloodforge Infusions updated playtest: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvwMclLSw15slYI7D5xLdjMzr-Nau92hNha9Sx0LOk4/edit#

Old Thread: >>52126789
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>>52130080

I'm hoping Blood Mountain Anon doesn't bamboozle us with his setting and that it doesn't turn into generic waifu shit.
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>>52130080
Bard a shit, anon. Wise up and play a real class.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M34Sqf6hhdfPWrGdNGOdxufgjzBlOkSH7vs_mPK5pGs/edit?usp=sharing

Did some more Spellburst Savant homebrew. Broom Jockey is a mobility/flight/speed based spellburst savant with a melee theme.

This is the alpha so feedback is highly appreciated. Among other things, I'm a little iffy if it's got enough melee boost to be functional in combat as most of it's stuff is about mobility and it lost some nova spell getting there. Still, Flyby Attack works nicely with Wave Motion Strike (As it allows a standard action, NOT just an attack)
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>>52130116
But you are Bloodmountainanon?
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Looking for players/GM for host-posting shinaniganry, 3/4 player slots filled
Assumed time between 8AM and midnight EST
Must be comfortable with text roleplaying.

Contact on Discord: Draknirv#4693 if interested.
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>>52130153
I believe he's going for irony.
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>read celestial tournament's two apps
>Calima
>The Calima is a hot, oppressing dust and sand-laden, southerly to southeasterly, sometimes easterly wind in the Canary Islands region.
>southerly to southeasterly, sometimes easterly wind
>Galtan girl
>grew up in a warzone
>named after a wind
Go fuck yourself dude.
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What even is this list of applications:
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4753579/ruse-applications
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>>52130166
FOR ALL OF MY LIIIIFE

A STRANGER I REMAAAAIIIIN
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>>52130153
I know.

>>52130160
You caught me red-handed, Anon. I'll take the suggestions from last thread in and tone down the monstergirl stuff. It's not gonna be waifu shit. I promise.
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>>52130080
I've not played a Bard in PF. I did play one in 5e - he considered himself a professional purveyor of wholesome family entertainment.

Naturally, this did not make him popular with the party.
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>>52130170
The best.
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>>52130170
It's where our memes cease to be dreams.
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>>52129575
How about a Hell's Rebels game where a bunch of crazy motherfuckers take on the man in a slightly lighthearted revolution?

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71538/hells-rebels-literally-cant-even-edition

Character concepts so far include a genderflipped Alex Jones parody and a pirate bard who kills people by pointing her fingers and shouting "Bang!"
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What's the grandest ambition your character has ever had?

Last game I was in I literally pulled a big boss and created a demi-plane "Outer Heaven" the demi-plane was actually located near the seven heavens, it was quite literally outer heaven to try and end the exploitation of mortals by deities.
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>>52130080
I'm about to play one in PF for the first time! Looking forward to Dragon 2
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>>52130204
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71538/hells-rebels-literally-cant-even-edition
HAHA TIME FOR TERRORISM
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>>52130205
I have a character whose endgame is to destroy Mephistopheles
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>>52130205
>What's the grandest ambition your character has ever had?

Seeing his wife and daughter again.
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Good traits for mounted summoner?
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>>52130242
I understand Twinned Presence is really solid.
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>>52130204
Just as a note, the character generation rules are a little up in the air right now and are subject to change. If you want to join right now all I'm mainly looking for is concepts, at this stage I am less concerned with mechanics. I'll announce on Roll20 once the character building rules are locked in.

>>52130217
Plz no terrorists
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>>52130204
>tfw alexa jones and crew meet up with the HV crew

and probably get fucking raped to death because >gestalt vs non gestalt
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>>52130250
Mount needs to be bigger than me and I'm using Undersized Mount to ride a medium eidolon as a human

Thanks tho fampai
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>>52130255
>Plz no terrorists
It's literally an AP about terrorism.
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Are there any characters from the meme games you would want or at least could see being used in other campaigns?
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>>52130280
True, but when someone gleefully declares that it's "time for terrorism" it brings a certain sort of character to mind.
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>>52130290
define meme games
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>>52130205
My Gunslinger just got so lost she ended up across the sea.

My Brawler was already living his dream.

My Magus just wanted to visit her uncle and got pulled into something greater.

My Inquisitor was just hunting down an old enemy (really an old friend, it's a long story).

They're all like me - no real ambition, content with most of what they have now. Some feeling like they shouldn't be, but not knowing how to change that.
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>>52130296
Sarenism is a religion of peace, bigot.
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>>52130290
Maybe Rory Karskys? He seems to be at least the most normal out of the Dragon 2 party, surprisingly enough.
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>>52130296
I just want to be a comically suicidal suicide bomber.
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>>52130299

RotJR, Dragons, games where the characters had become as high-profile as the game itself.
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>>52130306
>Sarenrae
>peace

SYCOPHANTS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>52130318
Remember to scream PRAISE SARENRAE before you blow yourself up
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>>52130296

>Four Lions
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>>52130080
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71590/puella-librum-daemonium
>muh grimdarkness
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>>52130319
Rinka could probably fit in any campaign with slight tweaks. She's weird enough to be interesting.
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>>52130318
>comically suicidal suicide bomber
I'm trying to figure out how to build a character who can contribute by failing to blow himself up.
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>>52130343
>monster rape quest
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>>52130343
>muh monster rape
>muh "if you plan to make a character who doesn't want to get raped by monsters you're not getting in"
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>>52130348
>I'm trying to figure out how to build a character who can contribute by failing to blow himself up.

What are some AoE effects you can use yourself as the epicenter without harming yourself?
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>>52130183
>>52130197
So lemme get this straight
>A mom Oracle
>A slutty Paladin
>Memedog's douchebag brother
>Edgelord weeb
>Literally Sanji
>A plague doctor
>An arsonist half-dragon thing
>A manslut android
>Some shirtless unlucky "captain"
>A snek nurse that can't even nurse
>A tiefling fistbitch
>Bane, born from darkness
>A trap trap-setter
>A literal sonic OC
>What the fuck even tentacle succubus thing
This is the crew that's going to save the world.
What the fuck is life.
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>>52130290
I'm sure a few of the Ruse Cruise concepts could be polished up and slipped into another game.
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>>52130366
with a bloodrager you get resistance against your own boobs
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>>52130366
There's a few kineticist form infusions that might be what you're looking for, I can't remember which ones.
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>>52130369
>A snek nurse that can't even nurse
>nurse

She's a doctor! She has her degree!
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>>52130369
>some shirtless unlucky captain

Lets be real he's probably just a hobo
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>>52130383

A degree in COCKSUCKING.
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>>52130348

Make an avowed with the shape that makes it a burst around yourself (But leaving you unharmed) or a psionic character with Energy Burst.

For some reason you keep ending up just blinking and blackened but unharmed like it's loony toons or something.
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>>52130374
I know that Mandroid is going into all of my games from now on.
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>>52130389
The ends justify the means, anon!
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>>52130363
>rape game
>not accepting characters who dont want unwanted sex
Wat
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>>52130374
Shirtless unlucky captain probably could
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>>52130399

The only end you were justified to take was a DICK in your THROAT.
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>>52130366
Be a sphere caster and take the talent straight up called epicenter
Or the one that lets you exclude squares that's pretty much better than Epicenter in every way because it can also work on allies/is not limited to just you
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>>52130369

Amalthea needs to hurry up and finish her Apotheosis so we can have a proper fertility goddess already.

It can't be that hard can it? How many kids do you have to have to pull that off?
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>>52130407
He could be shirtless bros with Memedog's douchebag older brother.
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>>52130403
The dude's got all sorts of contradictory expectations for the setting. Like, it's grimdark, but you're not allowed to be a cynic.
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>>52130290
Like, characters who got ADMITTED to meme games, or just applicants? Because I still hope to play pic related at some point.
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>>52130425
when will someone make a campaign where all characters are required to be shirtless!?
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>>52130204

How do I make pic related.
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>>52130369
Yes, I'm Amuzak.
>>52130433
Isn't that the plot of Kill La Kill? You're stronger the less clothing you wear?
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>>52130425
The theory is that he's Memedog's lost brother, and WotR has Memedog's other lost brother.
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>>52130423
>how many
Somewhere between 20 and 100
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>>52130445
It should be
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>>52130433
Do not.
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>>52130423
>Amalthea needs to hurry up and finish her Apotheosis so we can have a proper fertility goddess already.

>mfw Seagal chose to play Onryou instead of Amalthea
>mfw she could have apothesized alongside Casimir
>mfw we were cucked out of a proper fertility goddess, a proper duelist/artisan god and an adorable divine relationship that isn't on again/off again or vaguely homosexual
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>>52130418
What a bunch of slander! She's fully capable of doing doctor things. She has over 4000 hours of surgery logged! With the same patient.
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>>52130461
Every piece of clothing worn by a character gives them a -1 to dex and str
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>>52130447
>Memedog's family is in every /pfg/ game

I like this meme.

>>52130465
SEagle was memeing earlier that Amalthea could be Rory's mom. It... I don't want to think about that
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>>52130480
I'm playing a Paladin-Tailor of Decency with the goal of clothing The Naked Realm.
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>>52130465

Well lets put it this way,

Can you play a Kaijitisu outside of Runelords/Jade regent and have it mean something?

Probably not.

Can you play The Vessel of Rebith herself in any game?

Probably so.

She shall rise at some point. Maybe some point after i stop being a mad bastard and play 4 games at once.
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>>52130496
thats the BBEG
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>>52130480
Do NOT.
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>>52130426
I believe the quote was

>this is not a game about pussies running for their lives.
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>>52130518
Look if you're not wearing skimpy clothes you're clearly an enemy of the people.
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>>52130433
Maybe I'll make an exhibitionist for Hell's Rebels.
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>>52130445
Am I missing something with Amuzak?
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>>52130506

Well you better put her in a game where she can get her goddess going, or shack up with the party DILF! Girl needs to get played in a non-bamboozle!
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>>52130540
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8WZ8DDejd4
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>>52130547
Howling-Wind will eventually be in a non-bamboozle actually, someday when i'm not in so many games and actually figure out what his classes would be.
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>>52130542
His name is Kazuma Satou backwards.
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>>52130547
Have you considered masturbating before posting on /pfg/ as opposed to during?
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>>52130562
You'd better roll with the meme that he's Rory's brother
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>>52130318
>>52130348
>>52130318
Interestingly, I actually feel this character can work, just as long as it's more about him being comically intense about the cause and incredibly eager to sacrifice himself gloriously for it, rather than "Lol muslims amirite? A large snackbar!11" A big part of this game is that while I'm fine with it being silly and poking fun at real world culture I don't want it to feel hollow or mean spirited.

Also you've got to consider the longevity of the gag, there's a lot more to go on with a man who's trying to be the cool guy who sacrifices himself so that the others can get away but fails every time than just mild bigotry.
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>>52130564
Fucking
Wow okay that puts the whole character in new light, I only pegged him as a Weeb because
>Two Swords
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>>52130579

NO
ON
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I will be running a Spheres of Might playtest game once the full playtest is released next week. Since N. Jolly would prefer "mid-range" optimization rather than high-end optimization, I have implemented some measures and restrictions to better enforce such a power level for characters.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71197/spheres-of-might-unofficial-playtest-the-harrowing-modified
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>>52130584
I refuse to acknowledge the connection but will leave interpretation open
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>>52130595
>two swords
>literally uses a kirito picture

come on dude
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>>52130612
That's fine. I just love how far Memedog has gone.
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>>52130595
He's also using Kirito, the God Emperor of Chuunibiyou, as a picture.
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>>52130369
>>52130423
>>52130451
>>52130465
>>52130506


So what would The Vessel of Rebirth's Domains be?

Life has got to be one of them... is their a life domain? I know there's a Life Mystery.
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>>52130616
>>52130621
Well yes but it's a meme game so I thought they were going for legendary TWF god of pussy slaying Kirito rather than literal weeb
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>>52130641
THATS THE JOKE
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Is there a way to stack multiple Enlarge effects on a single creature?
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>>52130656
no
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>>52130527
You must not go down this path. The end result is death! Everyone knows you need armor to survive this mad world!
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>>52130677
>implying clothes aren't the tools of aliens being used to control you
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>>52130626

>Domains: Charm, Community, Repose, Healing, Good
>Subdomains: Love, Family, Ancestors, Resurrection, Friendship

How did I do?

And no, there is not a Life mystery. There are no Domains that cover pregnancy and childbirth.
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>>52130682
Just make everything out of real metal, it'll be fine.
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>>52130692

>Domains that cover pregnancy and childbirth.

We'll just have to change that.

Right what are some guidelines on creating Domains?
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>>52130692
>>52130626
>>52130715

You could also replace Good (Friendship) with Protection (Purity) if you want to suggest Amalthea is, although being extremely sexual, wholly pure in her desires and quite innocent in her intentions.
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>>52130652
well fuck me I guess
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>>52130723
>>52130692
>>52130626

Holy symbol is a stork, with a cloth sack in its beak
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>Paizo intends to make Starfinder play easily with Pathfinder
What a mistake.
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>>52130715
>Right what are some guidelines on creating Domains?

Use this as an example, and in the case of creating a new Domain you need only erase the obvious variables and jam in what you want.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/domains/paizo-domains/luck-domain/

>1st level ability
>6th level ability
>1 unique spell at 1st, 2nd, 3rd.... 9th caster level
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>>52130753

Her holy animal would be the Phoenix (a creature that dies and is reborn, much like the gods within her womb) and her holy weapon would be the dagger, as it is used to defend the family as much as cut an umbilical cord
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Okay folks, Blood Mountain Anon here, I'm distancing myself from the Monstergirls of the setting right now (as those require a ton of work) and working on the Old Continents and the Commonwealth. This is the document right now. It's currently extremely WIP.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LKEqdAvjfSE1vobIqjHM27VlRiEJcebivriizY1RNQ/edit
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>>52130766

Fertility Domain

1st level: Can cast charm person/monster at will on any creature with the young template/subtype

6th Level: With a touch, one can guarantee that any sexual acts within the next 24 hours will or will not produce a pregnancy, The user's choice. The act must be done in such a way where its physically possible to cause impregnation.

Domain spells= Fuck i dunno.
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>>52130863
Way too narrow. Add in Threefold Aspect, Remove Disease, Age Resistance.
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Any suggestions on how to go about summoning shoggoths and other lovecraftian monstrosities for combat purposes? I'm not too familiar with the mechanics of summoning, especially flavorful ones.
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>>52130465
>a proper duelist/artisan god

>mfw in a creating mood and thinking of what this would entail

>Titles: The Bladed Brush, The Sword of Creation, The Sword-Dancer
>Portfolio: Artistry, Swordsmanship, Veterans
>Alignments: NG, LN-TN-CN, NE
>Domains: Artifice, Community, Luck, Glory, War
>Subdomains: Construct, Home, Imagination, Legend, Duels
>Favored Weapon: Dueling Sword
>Holy Symbol: A brush with the bristles vaguely contoured like a dueling sword's blade
>Holy Icon: A slash of red paint against a white canvas in the vague shape of a dueling sword.


Feels like a nice compromise for people turned off by Gorum and still want a fight-y god.
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>>52130905
>Any suggestions on how to go about summoning shoggoths and other lovecraftian monstrosities for combat purposes?

You could always summon a Qlippoth*

*Warning: Don't summon a Qlippoth.
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>>52130905
Don't listen to that other anon, summon a Qlippoth, make it your waifu.
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>>52130920
I wanna summon a Qlippoth.
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>>52130959

NO

>>52130962

DO NOT
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>>52130912
Sounds like the perfect god for Galt. I'd totally include them, remove Milani, and make it so they were NG or some such before the Red Revolution.
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>>52130673
Damn. Wanted to see what a kobold would do as a huge sized creature.
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>>52130973
Out of pure curiosity, what are the potential dangers of summoning a Qlippoth?
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>>52131019
The dangers of summoning any other evil outsider turned up to 11.
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>>52131019
>what are the potential dangers of summoning a Qlippoth?

The Qlippoth are known to give absolutely zero shits about the interests or goals of the summoner beyond what the raw magical binding forces them to do.

They will gleefully slaughter your enemies... And then bathe you in hyper-cancer radiation, pollute the countryside with toxins that would make Chernobyl look like a joke, and then hunt down anyone it can pursue before getting carved down by Paladins

Imagine a Daemon without the long-game. These things hate you. Hate you. Hate you.
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>>52130896
>>52130863


Fertility Domain

1st level: Can cast charm person/monster at will on any creature with the young template/subtype

6th Level: With a touch, one can guarantee that any sexual acts within the next 24 hours will or will not produce a pregnancy, The user's choice. The act must be done in such a way where its physically possible to cause impregnation. In addition the user can set the number of children conceived, a number between 1 and 10. This can effect individuals who are normally Sterile or Barren.

Domain spells= [1st level], [2nd level], Remove Disease, Age Resistance, Threefold Aspect, [6th level], [7th level], [8th level], Miracle
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>>52130912

That... That is actually a pretty good divine profile. The only existing deity it kind of steps on is Shelyn, and even then it's less a total intrusion and more their diagrams overlap a bit.
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>>52130204
Hm... It's not gestalt so ONE class right... One class...

But what. There's quite a few I'm interested in...

Gunwitch?
Symbiote Slayer?
Avowed?
Maybe a good'ol warsoul for a more literal 'capping' of 'that ass'?
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>>52131019
>When called via spells that require opposed Charisma checks or similar mechanics for the conjuring spellcaster to secure aid, evil humanoids take a —6 penalty when interacting with qlippoth due to the sin in their souls.

>When a qlippoth shakes off the shackles of a conjuration, it attempts to remain on the Material Plane as long as possible, and during that time tries to murder as many mortals as it can, doing its part to deprive the Abyss of possible future sinful souls to build demons from.

They really, really don't like mortals.
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>>52131019
Devils will trick you. Demons will kill you. Daemons will kill you and your family. Qlippoths will kill you, your family, your friends, your acquaintances, your enemies, their enemies, and then after they're killed they'll come back a hundred years later to kill your descendants.
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>>52131047
At will is too strong. 3+Wis.
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>>52131081

How often does your GM throw kids at you?
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>>52131091
Young dragons?
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>>52131091
Not very often. All that means is it's either useless because the GM doesn't do that or utterly broken because it's happening often.
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>>52131103

>Not wanting to pet the dragon and make them your buddy
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>>52131075
>>52131068
>>52131045
>>52131027
Thanks for all the input, guys. I'll definitely not be taking this summoning lightly. As in probably will never do it.

Maybe.
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>>52131111

What would you suggest to put in its place? And dont get cheap on me and try some friggen "Fertility of The Land" bull shit and have some plant powers.

The level 6 ability is powerful, but probably rarely would come up in standard murderhoboing.
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>>52131124
DO IT ANON. FUCKING DO IT. LOOK HOW CUDDLY THIS MOTHERFUCKERANDMURDERER IS.
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>Bluryou

KEK
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>>52131136
Charm Person/Monster 3+Wis times daily.
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>>52131047
>In addition the user can set the number of children conceived, a number between 1 and 10

Anon... The possibility of knocking a slender tomboy up with octuplets is not a pleasant one!
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One of your character's personal belongings is suddenly empowered with the the abilities of an artifact. What is the item and what does it do?
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>>52131146
huh?
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>>52131163

Bamboozle app took Onryou and made her Blue.
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>>52131163
ruse cruise
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>>52131156
>neverending undroppable bar of soap
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>>52131156
Corwin's flask.

It's actually a tiny portal to the elemental plane of booze, allowing him to never be sober again.
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>>52131156
>backpack is now a bag of holding
we're low power right now
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>>52131156
Calin's Cane: It shoots lasers.
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>>52131147

okay fine
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>>52131146
>Bluryou was born into the world with a fiendish mien: bright red skin
Is this an error, or did becoming a monk change her colors?
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>>52131212
I think it's an error, yeah, given that they got the blue leopard leotard right it's not the picture that's wrong
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>>52131168
>>52131170
Oh lord.
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>>52131198
>>52131147

We'll compromise

+2 DC to will saves on Creatures with the Young Template.
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I need feats, feats for a cleric.
The cleric in question has no archetypes and is a sarenrae worshiper.
I plan on taking the heroism and day domains so I can use my channels as big "fuck-you"s to undead, and I'm gonna be using blade of mercy, dervish dance, and enforcer together.
What other feats would be good for a dex-based combat cleric with good channeling?
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>>52131146

Its beautiful

It... its PLAYER 2!!
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>>52130080
>Bards
Confusing outsiders with near daily uses of the Legato of Infernal Bargain to pull good outsiders over for a drinking contest and shenanigans.
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>>52131156
it's a sleeve of many garments without the stupid nerf applied to it
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>>52131288
what nerf did they get?
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>>52131296
Used to be that you could make clothes. Now they're just illusions so you can't gain any mechanical benefits. Because that swarmsuit, hot weather clothing, and cold weather clothing were way too strong.
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>>52131258

He swapped the color of her Irises and her sclera! HAHAHAHA! Too good.
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>>52131150
you misspelled pleasant
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>>52130205
Make a home for his people and give them a refuge away from the horrors of their home plane.
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>>52131258
>Bluryou
>Not Offryou
for shame
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>>52131306
(he actually didn't)
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>>52130393
Alright, you got a chuckle out of me and I'm going to have to use that in a game I'm in.
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>>52131150
>Anon... The possibility of knocking a slender tomboy up with octuplets is not a pleasant one!
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>>52131326
>>52131355

Friends, are you suggesting you want to get knocked up with a litter of kids.
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>>52131331
>Not Offrme
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>>52131374
kek
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>>52131359

Not so much me; more the lady i'm with.
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Stat me.
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>>52131389
Martial Artist Monk
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>>52131389
Size/Type: Large Magical Beast
Hit Dice: 5d10+25 (52 hp)
Initiative: +1
Speed: 30 ft. (6 squares)
Armor Class: 15 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +5 natural), touch 10, flat-footed 14
Base Attack/Grapple: +5/+14
Attack: Claw +9 melee (1d6+5)
Full Attack: 2 claws +9 melee (1d6+5) and bite +4 melee (1d8+2)
Space/Reach: 10 ft./5 ft.
Special Attacks: Improved grab
Special Qualities: Scent
Saves: Fort +9, Ref +5, Will +2
Abilities: Str 21, Dex 12, Con 21, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 10
Skills: Listen +8, Spot +8
Feats: Alertness, Track
Environment: Temperate forests
Organization: Solitary, pair, or pack (3-8)
Challenge Rating: 4
Treasure: None
Alignment: Always neutral
Advancement: 6-8 HD (Large); 9-15 HD (Huge)
Level Adjustment: —
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>>52131359


yes, And once they're born, Get the next set in me!
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>>52131422
>owlbear
Never not funny.
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HOLY FUCK DOUG APPLIED
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>>52131478
LINK MOTHERFUCKER
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>>52131359
in those words, yes.
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>>52131485
https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/4753579/ruse-applications#post-4758701
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>>52131389
You just reminded me that I need to finish reading that.
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>>52131489
Pff, that's not Doug, that's some fucking poser
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>>52131156
A magical crown that's actually more than just a symbol of regal authority. Now it's got the ability to influence those of local descent! And the ability to print out royal edicts.
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>>52131489
>mfw
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>>52131514

BIG
FAT
PHONY
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Is it weird in an application for a character who knows Planar Binding to include as NPCs outsiders I normally contract with, their names, and what they normally do for me.

These are those who were on the list:
>3 imps I use as spies & messengers
>2 bearded devils I used as enforcers and muscle
>a hellhound I occasionally used for intimidation
>4 LE tieflings I used as general servants, writing letters, mending clothing, etc.
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>>52131552
>Planar Binding
Just kill yourself now.
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>>52131586
What? Having outsider servants is super cool and iconic for a wizard. Besides, it's not like I can break the game with a bearded devil at level 11. They're only CR 5.
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What happens if your class gives you a bonus feat that is removed by anti-feat tax rules?
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>>52131675
Depends on the GM.
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>>52131675
Depends on the anti-feat tax rules. Some account for this and have a list of archetypes with that replaces the obsolete feats, some give you dick all.
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>>52131675
Ask your GM and hope he's nice?
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DHB is a big minmaxer right? Are his classes like powergamer's wet dreams? I've heard a lot of mixed messages about them on here.
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>>52131709
no they're just more open.

he's not a big minmaxer, he's just capable of it
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>>52131058
Actually it's gestalt, but stated in the description not in the rules.
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>>52131675
The anti-feat tax rules shouldn't be combined with Deadly Agility unless you want Dexfags to reign supreme.
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>>52131728

>DHB
>He
>Assuming DHB's gender
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>>52131756
>you
>bringing shitty pol memes there
>being this large of a faggot

kys my dude
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>>52131750
>never relevant point especially irrelevant to the question
Nicu!
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>>52131728
>he
DHB is a cute little girl that's why she doesn't like lewds
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>>52131493
I want this as my party.
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>>52131146
>>52131478
Looks like SotJR is bored without a game tonight.
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>>52131795
This strangely reminds me of my last party.

Our GM told us not to discuss with one another what we were building beforehand. I came with a Str inquisitor, my friend with a Str Monk, our other friend with a Barbarian, our other friend with a Str Cleric, and the last guy with a childlike cursed little oracle girl.

The lowest strength besides her was I believe 22.
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>>52131826
The little girl is the one that pumped strength.
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>>52131815
Indeed we are.
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>>52131552
Decent idea, but I wouldn't make it a core concept of your character. A lot of dms are sketchy about it due to abuse potential so you should talk with them first and make sure to play nice with it.
Also, gratz on realizing you can bind things like tieflings and aasimar. Every time I bring that up I get looked at like I've grown a second head. The best is then adding that you can do it to level 20 monks.
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>>52131835
We got a bonus track of teamwork feats, ended up taking Ensemble at level 5. We were the back up dancers for Magical Girl Idol Murder-chan Pyon! The game was mostly muscled guys doing muscle things on our wacky adventure to murder the emperor due to harsh taxation shutting down our favorite hang out restaurant.

>>52131863
>The best is then adding that you can do it to level 20 monks.
Level 20 monks have too many HD, level 18 monks, sure.
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>>52131883
Ah right, sorry, replace that with Gate.
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>>52131883
>our wacky adventure to murder the emperor due to harsh taxation shutting down our favorite hang out restaurant.
Why would you have such a fucking shit reason to try and destroy a fucking empire?
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>>52131815
And now Val's player has applied with her dream boy.
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>>52131478
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>12 hours left to HV deadline
>The Ruse Cruise has overtaken it
Damn.
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>>52131958
one requires effort, the other is just a meme
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>>52131938
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>>52131958
If the Ruse Cruise actually happens, I'm going to laugh myself into a coma.
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>>52132000
it won't
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>>52132018
I know, but a man can dream.
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>>52132000
>Ruse Cruise actually happens
>DM selects only SotJR players
>Game scheduled Saturdays starting at 7PM EST
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>>52132067
>Half the team wants to switch to RC, the other half wants to stay with RotJR
>This kills both games
>RIP in peace
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Shardwalkers is also recruiting people for ADVENTURE:

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/70552/shardwalkers
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>>52132106
is this the rape: the rapening setting
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>>52132152
No, that's this one:
https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71590/puella-librum-daemonium
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>>52132152
You want >>52130343

Man, three games opened up in the last 24 hours didn't they. Jeez.
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>>52132067
Ruse Cruise and RotJR combine to form the memeiest game of all time. /pfg/ implodes as Rise of the Jade Cruise grows to begin engulfing Dragon Game 1 and 2, along with Hell's Vengeance, and Wrath of the Raunchy.

Soon there are no more games. There is no more pathfinder. There is only the endless orgy that is the Ruse Cruise.
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>>52132182
>Except Amuzak the edgelord
>he never gets laid
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>>52132182
>check cruise
DHB HAS ENTERED THE CRUISE. I REPEAT, DHB HAS ENTERED THE CRUISE. ALL IS LOST, THE MEMES ARE OVERTAKING US.
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Is anyone else able to go on Paizo's threads or are they only down for me?
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>>52132204
Is it a good pain?
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>>52132236
>he made a fucking phantom pain reference in the app
IT'S A PHANTOM PAIN
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>>52132230

I can get on them just fine!
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>>52132204
THIS KEEPS GETTING BETTER

someone lure 2hu in with the promises of slutty children with animal ears or something.
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So, i am going to rip off the Witcher's hearts of stone expansion as a short campaign side thing. Anyone got any fun ideas for "impossible wishes" hooks? I got a few ideas but i would love to hear some other ideas
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>>52132204
At this rate, we might encounter the ultimate meme singularity:

>Rory appears in every /pfg/ game, as an NPC or PC. He doesn't even apply. He just shows up. The DM doesn't plan for it, there just appears to be a Witchwolf Skinwalker randomly appearing in the sessions
>Infinite Shayliss' being dicked by an infinite number of Rubio and Etans
>Infinite amounts of hipsters conquering Hell

Jesus.
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>>52132258
>2hu applies with the build that killed the avowed
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>>52132288
>2hu applies with a blood magic-using samsaran wizard with Sacred Geometry, Orator, and Fey Obedience (Magdh)
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>>52132204
anonymous divination boards

tian wood carvings.
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>>52131938

>Old Cas is a charming
>Young Cas is a hunk
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>>52132341
Rush the crafting of a +2 stat item and do a double 8 hour shift. You can churn out one per day for your party members.
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>>52132288
How did the avowed get killed?
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What was the name of the alchemical item that turned people into traps after 10 doses?
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>>52132388
I'm going to play an Alchemist and implant bombs in Traps. Trap-Traps.
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>>52132341
I would say that convincing the party to funnel all their gold through you and turn it into stat boosting items would be the fastest way to make friends.
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>>52132388

Malburious Tincture
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>>52132244
>checks again
>shitty MS Paint edit
>NEET denied his memes
THIS IS MORE THAN A REFERENCE
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>>52132377
2hu made an over optimized damage build, screamed autistically about numbers and daily resources, convinced the devs to nerf almost all of the things used in the build.
I'm not that afraid of the coming changes, avowed still deal damage at least on par with a good rogue and have its utility and betrothed shenanigans.
Still holding out for book 3 and my dungeon lord.
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>>52132388

Mulibrious Tincture (for women it smooths the skin and makes certain bits plumper,) and the stuff that makes you manly is Anderos Salve (makes Middle-Aged men operate like young men for 3 hours, very useful for certain situations!)
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>>52132430
What book is this from?
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>>52132463

None, it's from Crystal Frasier's blog.
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How much of a shitposting nexus would DHB creating a game cause?
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>>52132377
Con to Knowledge
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>>52132496
CR 1/2 INITIATORS WITH BOMB COLLARS
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>>52132496

LIBERATE TUTEMEA EX INFERNIS
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>>52132512
Ah yes I remember that. 2hu was in that game so I think everything from it was suspect.
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>>52132521
He wasn't.

QANON was though.
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>>52132266
>Infinite Shayliss' being dicked by an infinite number of Rubio and Etans

Ultimate Ruse Cruise meme build:
>Lightning strikes during spitroast scene
>Shayliss is killed instantly
>Her flesh is permanently bonded to Rubio and Etan's
>The pair must now walk around attached at the *ehrm*
>Class: Avowed (betrothed)
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Session 03 of CARP for the Pendragon Institute
Session Log: http://pastebin.com/ygABLBux

>Fuck more Dreaded.
>Rareven botches his landing strategy by skipping the skill checks and writing down fluff first.
>Lucky for him, Dreaded Fangs can't pierce Steel Armor
>Dreaded Acid Breath can, though
>Party successfully makes use of the environment and doesn't get surrounded.
>Cirrus obtained the High Ground
>Allandria (the Meido) thought putting her back to the wall made her safe.
>Sadly, Gorilla Grodd kool-aid man'd his way through the wall.
>Proceeded to toss her at her Ojou-sama like a frilly badminton.
>Dreaded completely fail at stairs.
>Rareven gets surrounded.
>Rareven has no Deeps to speak of, but is basically invulnerable
>Cue NPCs coming around to lend him their Deeps
>Meanwhile, the rest of the party is fighting Gorilla Grodd, who has started throwing mooks at them.
>As in, actually throwing them like boulders
>Meido Scorp proves that she is second best scorp by poisoning Grodd with her stinger
>Party proceeds to whittle away his hitpoints.
>Gloryhound NPC finishes Grodd off after Scorp runs away to nurse her nearly lethal wounds.
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>>52132530
>why does it smell like someone roasted a whole animal in here?
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>>52132530
The fuck did I just read
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>>52132496
For a while he was talking about a revolution themed game and people seemed relatively receptive to the themes. It never really materialized, though.
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>>52132526
>>52132512
What happened?
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>>52132545
La Tour Eiffel
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>>52132537
Oh right, and we discovered that CALDIA DOES DRUGS

She was CHASING THE DRAGON all session

She's been RIDING THE WAVE and TRIPPIN' THE TECHNICOLOR DREAMSCAPE

She fell off the wagon, and shook hands with the devil!

What I'm saying is that we found out that she is a junkie.
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>>52132555
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>>52132548
Basically the only fight in the game was against hobgoblins restatted as initiating humans with, iirc, broken blade and some sort of axe knuckle weapon. They also had bomb collars that did 5d8 ref half damage to anyone within like 20 feet when they died.

STILL CR 1/2 THOUGH.

Someone got blown the fuck up and DHB dropped the game when people called him on his bullshit.
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So when can we actually talk about things like rules, setting, etc. without just going into shitty meme characters and fetishes?
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>>52132571
>They also had bomb collars that did 5d8 ref half damage to anyone within like 20 feet when they died.
This is an exaggeration. It only did damage to other people if you were in the same square. The person it killed was grappling the person and didn't stop in the 1 round between triggering it and the collar detonating. I remember this entire debacle. The damage and radius kept going up every time someone shitposted.
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>>52132571
thats hilarious.
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>>52132583
It's true that I don't remember exactly, it's been a while.

Whole thing was still stupid as fuck tho.
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What feats, besides the crafting feats themselves, help with a crafting wizard?
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>>52132604
>crafting wizard

A fucking 12 gauge shot to the brain to the fucker who plays such a thing.
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>>52132604
Related but how much would the market value be for a small coin purse that 1/day made a duplicate of any non-magical item placed within it.
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>>52130973
>>52131019
>>52131027
>>52131045
>>52131075
>>52131124
>>52131141

Clearly, you should summon Nyralathotep instead.
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>>52132580
>talking about rules

We've done it all

>settings

they're all garbage

>shitty meme characters and fetishes

literally the only thing that protects this thread from becoming people whining about not having games.
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>>52132608
Does crafting have a bad rap in pathfinder?
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>>52132624
Either you're completely new to 3.pf, or baiting.
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>>52132624
It's hard to NOT break the game if you're putting any single sliver of effort and have half a brain
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>>52132624
Yes. It takes WBL and throw it out the fucking window into an incinerator.
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>Swashbuckler can no longer use signature deed to reduce Panache costs for Parry
absolutely disgusting, please tell me they walked this back eventually.
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>>52132624
Magical crafters are the most broken thing in the game.

Mundane crafters are poor pitiable things, whose best trick is crafting an Alchemical Dragon for an obscene sum that usually doesn't last a session and gets half their party killed.
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>>52132638
hahahahaha no
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>>52132580

I'm currently working on a setting right now, based mostly off of America but with a large number of tweaks and an emphasis on fun, goofy stuff. Currently trying to stat out the various races that will inhabit the world, also trying to flesh out histories and such, along with working out what makes sense and what doesn't.

For now, for a potential campaign (which I am NOT going to run anytime soon), how do the following parameters sound? 2-3 person party, Spheres of Power, Path of War, and all Jolly-stuff allowed. 20pb, Gestalt (which I feel works perfectly for a small party like this, while also allowing for fun stuff involving pet classes, because pet classes + gestalt + more than three players is torture).

Of course there are monstergirls but I only meme'd them for a little bit, I'm getting them completely out of my system and just filling out all their fluff and history and getting satisfied before I get to work on everything else. They're stuck in my head goddammit
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>>52132631
>>52132632
>>52132636
>>52132639
Still sort of new. Playing a bard in a game that's on its fifth session and not much more experience. Second campaign in pathfinder starting up and I went sorcerer. Someone suggested Craft Wondrous Items since we are starting at level 3. I decided "why not?" and the GM ok'd it.
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>>52132649
I'd sign up for it.
Then again, I'd sign up for practically anything.
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>>52132658
You now own your group. Enjoy it, you are a god and nothing can stop you.
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>>52132658
>gm oked it

aha
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>>52132596
>>52132571
So I actually still have my notes on the entire thing. I did make a quite a few mistakes at the time and I will freely admit that. However this was all a slight exaggeration. The collars were meant for when someone was captured, a way to have them able to kill themselves rather than give information. In a later draft I just changed it to a hollow tooth filled with poison.

The guys were humans, not hobgoblins, the party later met hobgoblins in the woods. The collars did 3d8 reflex save for half. The man who had his detonated was being grappled and away from his squad, grappled at the time. The rest of the team had left him behind and he pulled the pin. The party had an someone with craft alchemy who identified it was a bomb and was about to go off, and would take a round to detonate. It did damage to those occupying the same square or within 5 ft of the person (the 5 feet people took less damage, the 3d8 was in the square). The individual continued the grapple, had the collar detonate, and went unconscious. Luckily she was stabilized.

The entire encounter and its design was bad and looking back on it I really don't know what I was thinking. I think the main problem is that I was GMing like I was with my in person group because I know how they react to 99% of situations. Plus at the time I was not nearly as well acquainted with how terrible of enemies low level initiators make. However these are just excuses, it was a bad piece of GMing on my part.

Dropping the game entirely was a fault on my part as well. I realized everything needed a lot of rewrites and was discouraged by what happened. I shouldn't have just closed up shop however.
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I dunno guys, I feel like Hedgewitch should have fast Reflex.
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>>52132702
I remember you telling us that you based the initiators on hobgoblins.

Again, though, I could be misremembering.
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>>52132719
Oh, no I remember what you're referring to. I was pointing towards the Hobgoblin bestiary entry:
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/hobgoblin/

They are technically level 1 Fighters. based them on hogbolins, removed the bonus feat, added a boost and counter, and changed their weapons. I based them on the entry, but changed the race. Their Con went down and they lost toughness.

They were level 1 Warlords I believe with the trip gambit along with the boost and counter. I'll see if I can find what boost and counter they had.
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>>52132537
>3 sessions have passed
>Cirrus still hasn't become a girl

I reckon once the party figures it out there'll be no end to the bullying so maybe delaying it is for the best
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>>52132743
Yeah, that's it.

Sorry for having a shitty memory!

Honestly it wasn't that bad, and you listened to what people said regarding the whole thing, so I can't even fault you for it. It's just super memey, sorry
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>>52132743
Ok, this is what they had:
>Duelist Gambit (the disarm one)
>Sweeping Gambit (the trip one)
>Brawler's Attitude (Boost, +4 to grapple, disarm, trip, & dirty trick)
>Pommel Bash (make a hit against flatfooted and deal 1d6 extra damage)

The real issue was how many of them there were. The players freaked out because there was 30 running throughout the city and the players expected they needed to fight/kill them all. However all they wanted to do was grab villagers and run for it, that's why they abandoned one of them men.

Plus the collar thing. A poison tooth would have really been better. I wanted the collars to be around because a successful disable device check and getting one off meant you could examine it. The chemicals inside were rendered from a plant you couldn't find in most places. It was one of the pieces of evidence to lead you in the right direction.
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You've taken the Nameless One feat.

You need a short moniker to describe yourself. Names of people, places, nationalities, etc. can't be used. What's your name?

A few I've used in the past:
>The Songbird
>The Stranger In Red
>BIG CHEESE
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>>52132106
Fire immunity.
I don't care what the cost to the remainder of my build is, or how shitty the races or classes might be. I need fire immunity, and I need it at level 1.
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>>52132876
Doug
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>>52132876
daddy
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>>52132876
>The Worthless Son
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Still looking for peeps fer my E8 Eberron game.

https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71015/a-generic-pathfinder-adventure-title
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>>52132876
Shi No Bi
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>>52132901
>https://app.roll20.net/lfg/listing/71015/a-generic-pathfinder-adventure-title
The time man, the time! I have no idea how you don't have people yet, have you tried posting in the gamefinder threads? More diverse less memey crowd over there.
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>>52132876
I always go with "No Name", I'm not good at names.
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>>52132876
>The Marquess of Golden Thorns

Exiled fey though, not a Nameless One.
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>>52132914
you know why he has no players?
>E8
>Eberron
>Changed his setting to cockblock an anon that tried to join
>April Fools
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>>52132876
>Shlong Dong Silver
>Greasy Donger Supreme
>Rapinator
>Captain Penetration
>THE PISTON
>"Even If You Scream I Already Cast Silence"-kun
>>
So how do you feel about an enemy with the following ability:
>giant snakemonster
>has a breath weapon
>breath weapon does two things
>cone of silence
>fills the cone with snakes, the only thing that aren't effected by the silence, except for the beast
>now all you can hear is snakes
>literally knee deep in snakes
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>>52132992
my fetish
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>>52132992
Are they cute garter snakes or rattlers?
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>>52132997
various
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>>52132992
approved
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>>52133008
distressed.

Also, it'd probably be too silly for most games.
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>>52132914
Nope, probably will later today though.
>>52132962
April 1st is the app date and said anon was trying to be an android snowflake thing meant to fuck with dragons across a multiverse
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>>52133027
>implying any of what you said matters with this crowd
>also just because the actual game isn't on April Fools doesn't mean including the date doesn't instantly raise a red flag
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>>52132992
So long as Solid Snake, Naked Snake or Venom Snake have a chance to be among the snakes vomited out. And he doesn't do anything. He just kinda stands there looking confused, before getting into a cardboard box and sneaking away.
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What's the best discipline for an archer using martial training feats? I'm currently looking at Riven Hourglass because that haste looks tasty but I don't want to pass something else up.
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>>52133079
I think the only one you CAN use is Solar Wind.

But do pick up Time Skitter from Riven Hourglass. Free Haste whenever you want is nothing to sneeze at.
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>>52133095
>I think the only one you CAN use is Solar Wind.
Anon, I might not be the expert here, (obviously, because I'm asking the questions), but I know that unless specified otherwise you can use any weapon with your discipline.
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>>52133079
Elemental
Flux.
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>>52133105
Sounds dumb when I don't have any Animus senpai.
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>>52133128
Doesn't need it.
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>>52133138
and by that I mean you can do just fine without.
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>>52133128
It's not at all necessary. It's a powerful thing WITHOUT animus boosts.
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>>52133027
>April 1st is the app date and said anon was trying to be an android snowflake thing meant to fuck with dragons across a multiverse
No, he was trying to be something that fit in the Golarion setting, and made use of the less used aspects of it that don't get enough love.

More to the point, you could have said "No." Instead, you change the setting to cockblock the idea. That's not a sign of a good GM.
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>>52133128
there's a feat for that
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>>52133144
Anon, I don't want to do fine. I want to be optimal.
>>52133150
I'm lookin' at it anon. It doesn't seem like it'd gel all that well with a 3/4th BAB archer.
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What are some more fun ways to do mounted lancer?

Just stacking strength and two handing your lance seems boring even if it solves a lot of problems
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>>52133171
... you will learn.
you will learn.
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>>52133170
Tap Animus, yeah? I mean, it's a possibility, and I'll definitely try and work out Tap Animus E Flux vs Riven Hourglass, so thanks.
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>>52133185
There isn't really a fun way to do a lancer. You're basically a ballistic missile if you devote yourself to mounted combat and nothing more.
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>>52133213
Wonder what are fun ways to do a mounted character then

I was thinking of making a pegasus rider, the plan that I had in mind was making the pegasus be as extremely fast as possible, but as for the rider, I do not have a set idea for it
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>>52133213
Not to mention even if you're playing a fighter the amount of investment you need to make just to get a mounted lancer to even work is atrocious, and even then you're going to only ever be good at that because you had to invest so much into it.
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>>52133079
If you have a solid Int modifier, Elemental Flux. Solid Wisdom, Riven Hourglass is good defensively and for haste, but not much else. Otherwise Tempest Gale.
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>>52133185
>>52133213
>>52133245
Mounted Combat with a kineticist. Spirited Charge. Vital Blade. Vital Charge. 40d6+40+con at level 9.
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>>52133327
That's...just more damage. You're still a ballistic missile that does nothing but charge and instantly kill most things.
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>>52133348
What else does a lancer do, exactly?
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>>52133361
Fight Holy Grail Wars?
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>>52133361
I guess...nothing else

I probably will need to rethink my angle on this character then. I already made too many martial/gish characters as it is and I rather not do another straight martial one
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>>52133407
more like get fucking betrayed
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>>52133441
Either that or doomed to never win a Holy Grail War
>>
So, the summary of it, there arent much of a variation for making mounted characters who actually make use of their mounts aside from mobility isnt it?

Otherwise you are just going to be doing "x but with a mount"
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>>52133502
Mounts are mobility usually, yes.

What the fuck else would you expect them to be?
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>>52130912
You're sounding pretty mana goddess there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1PnieCgVyY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DkqUnNjXIw

If we want to channel a bit more of her, maybe make druids like her.

In Mana-verse fluff, the Sword of Mana was the implement the goddess used to create the entire universe. In LoM there was a literal shitton of crafting you could do, from building weapons to golems to the literal world around you. In Dawn of Mana the Mana Sword appeared as a living object - a seedling that grew into a weapon in the Hero's hand.

She's also served by elementals and spirits.

That said, you've already included some "subtle" titles like "The Sword of Creation", and the artifice domain.
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>>52133543
>>52133543
>>52133543
>>52133543
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>>52133545
all the mana games have beautiful sprite-work, amazing style as well for a game series that started life as a final fantasy side series.
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>>52133518
ammunition
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>>52133545
I know it's green, but when you look at it from this angle, it kinda looks like a...
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>>52133555
Bro I know the thread is dead but page 6 is a bit early don'tcha think?

>>52133518
Being able to tag-teag something with a mount would be cool, and a unique rendition of the mechanic.
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>>52133573
Mounted summoner
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>>52133558
Seiken Densetsu 3 (aka Secret of Mana 2) was actually supposed to be a CD game (on the snes for whatever nintendo was trying to do with that).

Apparently after stuff got scrapped they had to downgrade it to a cartridge and that caused a lot of the sprites and game code to be super buggy.

I wish we'd get a non-retarded entry again. SoM was great, Seiken Den 3 was pretty damn good (god I loved how you could distill your characters soul and re-infuse it with literal light or darkness). Legend of Mana while not being like the most amazing game ever had *so much fucking stuff* you could do with crafting.

Then we got dawn of mana and it shit the bed, and the mana tactics games for the DS I think and no one talks about those. I guess there's another new mana game coming out called sword of mana(?) if it isn't already out yet.
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>>52133617
Yeah, those old games were fucking epics. Even with the low technology of the time, you had some incredible artists and composers giving even a simple 'sprite' game a memorable atmosphere.
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>>52133617
I think Sword of Mana was the GBA remake of Final Fantasy Adventure?
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>>52133658
Sword of Mana and Adventures of Mana were remakes of FFA.

Apparently after dawn the series creator left Square-Enix. Which is probably for the best because dawn was goddamn awful.
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>>52133652
Both Secret 1 & 2 apparently had a ridiculous amount of content cut from them. I loved the ARPG style of 1 a bit better though.
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