EDH/Commander General /EDHG/

>>52074495
>Have you ever designed a deck around a theme tangentally related to Magic (like "Mad Scientist") or even totally unrelated (like a tribute to another franchise)? If so, what was it and how did it play?

Yes. I built an Orkz deck.

It's explosive, unpredictable, loses a lot, and is goofy as shit.

I built Numot America Matters, it was boardwipes, kill spells, and land destruction. It was actually pretty good, since it's so easy to grab Sunforger (and by extension, Faith's Reward).

And funnily enough, I got btfo just as badly sometimes as I btfo of others. My roommate was playing Reveillark/Karmic Guide and had an altar of dementia out, and I was out of removal targets with sunforger. and I only had Numot. So I proceeded to keep topdecking lands, and got nicked down from 16 fucking life to a loss.

>>52074522
>>52074591
No one cares.

>>52074904
It's literally the thread question, fuckmouth.

>>52074904
It's the thread topic, you twat. It generates discussion, or at least allows others to see what some chucklefucks on the internet have done with their decks.

>>52074918
>>52074926
Well done. No one cares.

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>>52074929
Glad to see you contributing, bud. Keep it up.

>>52074929
Not an argument :^)

>>52074951
>>52074964
Thanks for stopping by, Sean.

Well this is off to a great start

>>52074978
Explain your joke

>>52074984
Just another day. Don't feed the dickweeds, any of em.

>>52074984
>>52074986
>>52074998
That's a great story, Mark.

>>52074522
I care. Deck list please.

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>>52074998
Don't you have a reddit thread to post in?

>>52074522
>>52075018
Incredible samefaggotry.

>>52075018
http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/t-h-e-b-o-y-s-a-r-e-b-a-c-k-i-n-t-o-w-n/

It needs some work (I should really trim a few of the shittier cards for some ramp), but this is basically version 1.1.

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>>52075035

>>52075037
Oh, so you're that faggot.

>>52075037
>ebin uhsthetic song meme
Fuck off.

>>52074984
>OP leaves off title text and question, autists sperg about it
>OP includes title text and question, autists sperg about it.

It's almost like we're all autists here.

Back in my early days with EDH, I tried to make Legend of Zelda tribute decks. Link was never finished partially on account of never having a satisfactory commander. Zelda (Hanna) was a mess due to me being a noob at the time. Ganondorf (Kaervek) though was fairly mean, at least for my noob meta.

>>52075048
I am indeed that faggot.

>>52075035
You are aware that some people actually enjoy ideas like that, right? Especially since that's fucking gA.

>>52075045
Careful man. They'll just say you inspected elements, this is typically shitpost derailing.

>>52074495
Wasn't really the entire theme because I wanted to be somewhat competitive but I wanted a deck with a Vampire Counts themed deck, basically a few vampires leading a bunch of zombies and other spooky shit. Turned out really fun, and still kinda has that feeling

>>52075037
>posts decklist

>>52075045
>less than a minute later posts a screenshot that claims he's the guy with the deck

Really makes you think.

>>52075080
You got a list?

>>52075037
>>52075045
Post timers don't add up. You fucked up, samefag.

>>52075088
Not for you, bitch.

>>52075109
Have a (You) for your troubles, I farmed it myself.

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Someone in my local EDH club relies on this infinite 0-cost artifact combo that starts with them using ad nauseum. They've been able to win on turn 3 a few times now.

Would it be a good or bad idea to use Pithing needle to counter this? I just say "Ad nauseum" and it should at least buy me time?

>>52075108
Phone and laptop posting doesn't count as a samefag.

>>52075127
>Activated Abilities
>Ad Nauseam
It's a pretty bad idea

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>>52075037
>>52075045

>>52075127
Sounds like eggs combo. My understanding is grave hate and cards like Nevermore are what you want (pithing needle doesn't work, that's for activated abilities of permanents and ad nauseam is a spell). Nevermore will do the job you're looking for!

>>52075088
Not on hand unfortunately. It's a mono black with Kalitas as the general to spawn zombies, grave pact, dictate of erebos, butcher of Malakir to mulch enemy boards into zombies. Endless ranks of the dead, army of darkness, zombie Titan to spawn more of them. I tried to win using smokestack because it's evil enough to fit the theme, but I also have the sanguine bond/exquisite blood combo because I play with guys who have like 4 infinite combos per deck.

>>52075164
Neat, that's actually pretty cool.

>>52075108
>>52075086
>>52075160
Dude, you need a hobby.

>>52075127
Gotta use Meddling Mage/Nevermore/Null Chamber/etc to lock out Ad Naus, Needle and Revoker do shit.

>>52075127
Considering Pithing Needle will do literally nothing to stop that, I'd advise against it.

>>52075161
>>52075189
This second guy coming in clutch. Also low cost gravehate like Tormod's Crypt, Rest in Peace, and Grafdiggers Cage will help hose the combo while also keeping your deck strong against grave shenanigans.

>>52075187
It's called Magic the Gathering. :^)

>>52075186
Yeah, it is right?

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>>52075187

Question: When you overload a spell, replacing "target" with "each" still means that the spell targets each individual permanent, right?

>>52075308
NOPE, hexproof get fucked

>>52075308
No. "Destroy each creature" targets nothing.

>>52075308
Well all the overload cards have a specific trait that it targets (nonland, artifact etc) so instead of hitting one of those targets it hit every available target. You are technically correct but it doesn't hit every permanent.

>>52075037
jojo man what would you name an ezuri deck and marath deck?

>>52075308
Nope, so it gets around things like hexproof and protection.

>>52075308
Nope. An Overloaded Cyclonic Rift does not target anything, just like a Wrath of God does not target anything. It replaces the word 'target' with the word 'each'. Spells that do not say 'target' do not target anything (with the weird exception of Aura spells, but that's because the targeting bit is baked into the rules for Auras)

>>52075308
Nope. Overloading makes it non targeting.

>>52075375
Oh I missed the target part. Nah unless it says target it won't target.

>>52075375
>you are technically correct
No he isn't. The spell doesn't target at all. An overloaded Vandalblast will hit artifacts with pro-red, or Shroud, or Hexproof, specifically because it doesn't target them when overloaded.

>>52075186
Thanks
>>52075263
Don't know who the fuck this is though

>>52075397
I'm not him, but which Ezuri? For the other question [WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE].

>>52075427
n-no bully

>>52075397
「 D O T H E E V O L U T I O N 」

「 W I L D T H I N G 」

>>52075443
kys

>>52075464
no u

>>52075053
You forgot the part where a thread title is productive to the general, and that clearly the last thread was a booty blasted shitpost marathon thanks to the shit op, who in turn is sperging out in this thread.

>>52075485
You forgot the part where you're not helping. Shut the fuck up and stop the meta shitposting.

>>52075485
Stop shitposting.

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Is this a viable commander?

>>52075514
>>52075515
>look at me meta shitposting about meta shitposting
I bet your the type of person who plays Iona is underrated.

>>52075551
Only if your group lets you use custom cards

I want to build a Lands Matter deck, with all sorts of stupid combos. I know Gruul/Jund is the best starting ground due to the Gruul lands commanders, and splashing the Gitrog Monster (not to mention a plethora of black tutors). But there's also the Blue effects with Patron of the Moon and other associated land bounce / landfall abuse, which knocks it to 4 colors.

Am I better off just pushing to 5-color and playing Child of Alara lands, is 4-color acceptable (and if so, lead by whom?), or is Jund the true calling (lead by Adun Oakenshield or Xira Arien)?

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>>52075037
Will you guys stop jacking this dude off? He's posted this "le randumb fun orkz!!!11!1!!" list every fucking thread. He probably made the OP question just so he could shoehorne it in here again.

>>52075804
>In every thread
I made it literally a week ago.

>>52075801
I advise for Jund. There's a few neat blue things from Kamigawa, but I don't think they're worth diluting the deck. You'll get plenty of support in Jund as it is.

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>>52075804
One guy asked for the list, so he posted it. No harm in that, honestly.

In the meantime, post em

>>52075443
claw of progress. good name for marath though

>>52075452
fantastic

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>>52074495
I've played Soraya bird populate deck. It's like Birdemic or The Birds, just make birds and swarm the enemy.

>>52075840
>one guy
He asked himself for the list. More than likely you asked yourself for the list.

>>52075832
Fair point, although I'm really only considering adding like 2 blue guys, and they combo with stuff I already have (Amulet of Vigor, Stone-Seeder, Storm Cauldron). But definitely a great point, the theme will probably be all over the place if I try to force more colors.

>>52075037
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/building-budget/deckbuilding-101-five-tips-better-deckbuilding-2006-06-05

>>52075886
You can keep calling samefag all you want, it's only making you look stupid.

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>>52075899

>>52075886
Naw, I don't really care about that list. I never played WH40K so I don't really get the attraction. But other people do, so there's not really any harm in it.

>>52075840
Do you still have your slobad list? I got invited to a more competitive group, so I want to have a deck that can take it when I play with them.

>>52075904
This is the first post I've made in this thread.

>>52075551
Hey did Kozilek always had those eyes in his armpits?

Also nice design, seems viable. Just beware of the people who can't even see a custom card without sperging like a motherfucker

>>52075929
I never put the thing on tappedout, but I remember most of the strong interactions I had in the deck. I can type all that up if you like, like a mini-primer or something. Otherwise, a lot of my deck was inspired by these two lists:

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/217058-slobad-goblin-tinkerer-making-things-go-boom

https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/29vq8u/my_first_primer_slobad_goblin_tinkerer/

And here's the second guy's followup to his own deck:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EDH/comments/2m5qzr/what_four_months_and_a_new_precon_release_did_to/

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>>52075840
I've got plenty of partially built ideas but these are either playing or soon to join the rotation.

>>52075877
That's pretty funny, how viable is it though?

SECONDARY THREAD QUESTION:
When do you think we'll see 4-color generals again? What do you think they'll do?

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>>52075840
>0 Boros commanders

>>52076036
hopefully never

>>52076055
Currently brewing Brion Stoutarm actually! That and Dralnu, since I don't play Blue/Dimir at all.

And yeah, until I looked more into Brion, I never really saw the Boros folks as interesting. Everything is combat or a meme (see: Depala, Brion), but I'm learning to love Brion so we'll see if that changes.

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>>52075840
Current rotation:
>Voltron/Stax
Swings hard and fast. Resource denial isn't implemented until late game.
>Counterspells
Very rarely wins, or even aims to win. Designed to regulate larger or simply more unruly tables.
>Combo
It's Ghave.
>Charge Counters
Creatures are +1/+1 counter centric, but it's rare for Atraxa to win using creatures. Darksteel Reactor and Magistrate's Scepter are MVPs.

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*floats mana*

>>52076055
Boros makes for terrible EDH decks.

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>>52076142
*bolts*

>>52076036
I don't know about proper 4C. Their 'best foot forward' was already full of stapled or dull effects, even though some were quite potent. If they do go there, I'd want to see legendary named Nephilim with callbacks to their originals (so, "Whatshisface, Dune-Brood Progenitor" would make Sand) and a UBRG omnidisciplinary mad scientist. Maybe it's the thread edition but I think of UBRG and I want to use my Simic, Izzet, and Skaberen together.

I'm looking forward to getting a few more partners, though. Hopefully the next batch will be, say, one of each allied pair and two of each monocolor. The former of which would open up more 4c options. They have to be careful expanding that mechanic, though.

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>>52076146
>he doesn't know the joy of crushing a t1 Manacrypt, mana vault MonoU deck with commander damage

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>>52076142
oops

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>>52076036
I wish they would do stuff like pic related, there's a cycle someone made before C16 with very good card design.

>>52076197
Probably would be better with Convoke and Conspire, replicate just pushes it over the top into downright silly.

>>52076233
You still need to pay for the extra replicate copies, I think it's p fair. Between trying to generate a lot of tokens and casting big spells you will need to pay mana for whatever degenerate thing you wanted.

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>>52074495
>Have you ever designed a deck around a theme tangentally related to Magic (like "Mad Scientist") or even totally unrelated (like a tribute to another franchise)? If so, what was it and how did it play?


Chicago Bears tribute deck.

Bear tribal.

It's awful and bearly playable

>>52076273
>>52076197
I'd say it's begging for Intruder Alarm/Paradox Engine but Sprout Swarm already is a thing.

>>52075983
have you got a Sidisi decklist?

>>52076296
Ah, just like it's namesake then.

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>>52076167
*mills you*
nothin personal kid

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>>52076343
>Like it's namesake

you cheeky cunt

>>52076296
>>52076368
Here's the list just in case. Any recommendations are welcome.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/bearly-playable-1/

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*gains life*

>>52075980
Thanks friend, I'llcheck out these links when I get off work.

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*goes infinite*

>>52076416
more aesthetic than zyzz, more natty than scooby

>>52076325
Here's the quick sketch:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/08-03-17-xdW-sidisi-budget/

I've been considering beefing the mana base by dropping 6 basics for Shocks & Buddies, that still only pushes the price to ~$120.

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"untaps"

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*levies taxes*

*dethrones you*

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*sits on face*

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>>52076550
i fucked that up so hard

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*Waits patiently for the rest of these chucklefucks to die. They'll all end up down here eventually*

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*Makes it rain*

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*Leaves fucking existence*

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*Mushrooms*

>>52075966
Look at Kozilek art (or art of Kozilek's brood). Lots of bifurcated limbs, eye-less faces, eyes all over the BODY, and the weird floaty 'crown'.

>>52076036
Never. They literally didn't have enough material to make more than one Commander per 4-color combination the first time around, you think they'll somehow come up with more shit for it down the line?

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"One shots whole table"

>>52076233
How so? It's just Multikicker, basically.

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>>52076142
How cute.

Say it with me
BIG
GREEN

>>52076273
>>52076627
Ignore me, I'm a fucking idiot. I was thinking you could use Convoke to pay Replicate costs, so I proposed Conspire as a more "fair" version of that combination of effects. Turns out I'm just stupid, this card would be pretty neat to play with.

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>>52076634
>Who are you?
"I'm you, but stronger"

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>>52076646
>playing memenath over the original glorious perfection

oi m8 yu askin fo' et now

>Foil Ingot Chewer is Fiveteen Dollarydoos

what the fuck

>>52076713
1 Mana critter that kills itself to blow up an artifact, with some pretty nice foiling to boot. $15 is a bit absurd, but I'd understand $10.

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>>52076713
This faggot >>52076646 is why.

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Trying to go wide with her, but so far I'm just making a few gobbos then using Goblin Recruiter to just play Krenko.

Any tips?

>>52076713
Also only printed once in foil, that'll do it too.

>>52076783
Beacon of Creation, Overwhelming Stampede / Overrun Effects, Hostility to turn your burn into 3/1s, Saproling Symbiosis / Second Harvest type effects.

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*double taps artifacts*
It's fucking go time!

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>>52076646
>>52076706
>mfw I rebuilt my old Mono-G Omnath deck and it's unstoppable
Mana storage, commander damage, and big green Timmy shit.

What's not to love?

>>52076783
A ReverberatedPlow Under

>>52076031
I just went with populate stuff or thing that create birds or that are birds. Add some pump/buffs and a few staples in white and you got a pretty casual yet silly deck. I brew her because banding with birds is too good.

>>52076879
No. I said go wide, not harass lands. I already do that with a deck.

>>52076905
I've always wanted to mess with her. Banding is a fucking powerful ability and bird tribal has a lot of good options thanks to Aven (sadly, lot of blue making me wonder if it might not be better to run her in the 99 of Kangee)

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>>52076783
When I played her, I used those overcosted token producing sorceries like pic related.

Fuck I wanna rebuild her now. Also ramp becames insane with her too.

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>>52074495
>Have you ever designed a deck around a theme tangentally related to Magic (like "Mad Scientist")

Skeleton Ship, with every decent black Skeleton and blue Ship I can find and a focus on Artifacts with charge counter-related effects. The entire deck's on the cheap, running at like ~$70, and it's fun when it becomes the biggest threat on the board when you Corrupted Conscience the Nicol Bolas player's Stormtide Leviathan.

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*makes 2 saprolings*

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what are some good ways to get my friends who have never played magic before into commander? i was thinking i could try and build them some 2 color commanders cause 3 would be too complicated
probably just want commanders that are about the board and whose utility is instantly obvious (ie im not going to make any of them play melek cause they wont know what to do)

>>52076980
I can't be the only one that thinks this chick is such a fucking qt

>>52076971
Oh cool you still play this deck. I'm glad, the concept is hilarious.

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*bumps thread*

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*gets outclassed by Edric*

>>52076987
you're not.

>>52076980
oh btw. anyone got any bad/nearly useless combos or overprized ways to make one or two single saprolings in tana? I need this for reasons.

>>52076987
Patrician taste.

>>52076987
Congrats, you're straight.
>scantily clad redhead

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>>52076996
Sadly true.
Even with shit like rogue tribal edric is better.
There are enough green rogues for it

>tfw finally able to buy a liliana of the veil and a damnation

Praise MM17.

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I've been thinking of brewing up a Kraum + Kydele deck for shits and giggles. Can anyone tell me why this is a bad idea? Also, what fun or hilarious cards would you put in if you were to build this deck?

>>52077154
>covered in blood
I know exactly why I have this boner, friend.

>>52076933
Go for it. If you want splash blue, brew Kangee. Soraya was made for fun and on a sorta budget.

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*disappoints you*

>>52076933
What makes banding powerful?

>>52077246
You know how your opponent normally gets to assign the combat damage of creatures they control? Guess what banding does.

>>52077275
Yeah but, a band can be chumpblocked no?

>>52076644
>I was thinking you could use Convoke to pay replicate costs
...you can.

>>52077246
You decide how combat damage is dealt. For one, it completely counters Trample. You can make all the enemy creatures deal their damage to a creature with protection or distribute it in non-lethal amounts

>>52076713
Vintage. For R, it'll nuke a Chalice set to 1.

>>52077282
Sure, but you're not throwing a whole Band out if your opponent just has chump blockers. You swing with a Band when they have DECENT creatures, so either they take it full in the face or they lose a creature and you lose nothing.

>>52077246
In short, when you attack or block with a group of creature in a band, if they get block/blocked, you can distribute the damage for the whole group. It leads to reducing damage for everyone or even just killing one creature instead of the group if the opponent has a huge creature.

>>52077283
JUDGE

I believe you, but JUDGE

>>52077359
You can convoke + buyback

>>52077359
How dare you call me on myself!

Replicate is an additional cost, just like Kicker or Buyback. You lock those in BEFORE you begin paying for things. You can Convoke a Buyback (see: Sprout Swarm), and Replicate is no different. If I were to cast a Lightning Bolt that somehow had Replicate and Convoke, and I controlled 4 Mountains and 6 red creatures, I could cast that Bolt, replicated 9 times, and pay for it with my four red mana and by tapping my 6 red creatures.

>>52077359
Not replicate but same principle is on Sprout Swarm which has Convoke+Buyback

"7/18/2014 Because convoke isn’t an alternative cost, it can be used in conjunction with alternative costs."

>>52077412
While that's correct, it's not applicable here. Neither Buyback nor Replicate are ALTERNATIVE costs, they are ADDITIONAL costs.

>>52077409
>panharmonicon convoke replicate
please tell me this works like im thinking it works

>>52077382
>>52077409
>>52077412
Well that's real fuckin neato.

>>52077438
fuck i meant paradox engine

>>52077438
How would etb effects enter into this equation?

>>52077451
Whomp whomp, no dice. Paradox Engine triggers on spells being cast; Replicate copies are never cast, they're just created on the stack.

>>52077460
i messed up and meant to put >>52077451

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>>52077438
>>52077451
...Maybe?
You'd untap all your nonland permanents afterword.

If you mean go infinite, no. You don't cast the replicate copies.

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>>52075551
Only if this is

>>52077445
You never played Time Spiral block draft did you? Sprout Swarm is a real motherfucker

>>52077451
If you're thinking of squeezing additional "mana" out of your creatures for convoke, it doesn't work.

>>52075551
The second ability would rather belong to Emrakul, not Kozilek.

Also, where's the trample/menace/indestructible etc? They always have some form of combat abilities.

>>52077497
Started with Khans unfortunately, so I never got to experience such mechanical hocus-pocus

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>>52077286

>>52076178
It's sorcery speed though, a smart kruphix player always leaves his blue mana open to fling counterspells around

>>52077703
Shhh, just let the succ happen

>>52077551
How would this interact when substituting Benalish Hero with white legends with Bands with other? (via Cathedral of Serra)

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>>52077710
*turns your sorcery into an instant*

>>52077738
Best use of Hive Mind

>>52077724
Bands With Other X on block works just like banding as long as you're gang blocking alongside at least one X (whether or not it has bands with other X itself, though in the Cathedral of Serra example it always will)

702.21j During the combat damage step, if an attacking creature is being blocked by a creature with banding, or by both a [quality] creature with “bands with other [quality]” and another [quality] creature, the defending player (rather than the active player) chooses how the attacking creature’s damage is assigned. That player can divide that creature’s combat damage as he or she chooses among any number of creatures blocking it. This is an exception to the procedure described in rule 510.1c.

>>52077831
So I'm understanding this right that with Konda + another white legend + Valor Made Real (alongside Cathedral) I can just soak all the damage into Konda?

>tfw can't stop building, scrapping and rebuilding decks

help

>>52077551
Wait how does this counter trample? Won't it still swing through?

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*targets you*

>>52077886
Yes. If you're planning to actually enact this consider Entangler, the aura version of Valor Made Real. And/Or use Baton of Morale as your granter

>>52077929
You have 100% free choice on how to divide the damage. Under the effects of Banding, Trample becomes optional, just like assigning lethal damage in the first place.

>>52077929
With Banding, you choose how your opponent's creatures assign their damage. Which means you can just heap every last shred of it onto one blocker and not let any of it trample past.

>>52077959
>>52077958
WHAT THAT'S ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING

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Any fun, but uncommon spellslinger decks that aren't R/U in colors? I've been playing reanimator decks that are Grixis colored for so long that I kind of want to branch off and do something new. Kind of looking towards pic related, but I'm open to really anything.

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>>52076826
That's not what I meant to post at all.

>>52077902
I can't help. I do the same thing.
>I_Feel_Your_Pain.whateverformatyouprefer

>>52077997
How about Toshiro Umezawa for a spellslinger/voltron hybrid?

>>52077976
Banding's fun. For example, say you attack with a Shield Bearer, a Kjeldoran Phalanx, and a Sun Titan. They block with a 10/10.

You can walk away from that combat step with 0 dead creatures.

>>52077997
Also how does one play Dralnu "safely"?
>person plays chain reaction, earthquake or any of their dozen variants
>dralnu's board is kill

>>52077976
And this is why Benalish Hero and/or Baton of Morale often slip into so many of my decks: Banding is a hilarious spanner in the works. Take G/x tokens with baton: now rather than trading X saprolings to kill that X/Y creature, Saproling #782 decides to be a hero and eat all the damage itself. It's the fast lane to value town on the defense.

>>52078080
>What is Riptide Lab

>>52078080
>>52077997
Magebane Armor
Instant Speed donate effects (Nothing is more satisfying than dropping a Reins of Power in response to that smug Fuck trying to blow you out)
And counters. You're in a deck with not only the premiere counter/kill colors, but if Dralnu is out in the first place, you have access to a graveyard full of counters as well!

Also this:
>>52078100

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>>52077935
try that to my face fucker and see what happens

>>52078100
One card in 99 that you probably don't want to waste a tutor on
>>52078105
>Magebane Armor
Is this really played in Dralnu decks? Seems way too narrow, especially for EDH.
>Instant Speed donate effects
This however gets me full mast.

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>>52078113
En garde

>>52078173
>asks for things to protect Dralnu because he knows nothing about Dralnu
>Immediately turns his nose up at things actual Dralnu decks run
Every fucking time. Every single fucking time someone asks for advice or help in these threads they have some bullshit reason for ignoring it.

Why even fucking ask?

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>>52077886
>>52077976

Yes. Banding allows you to do some very silly shit, which is why it was removed. It's one of those "Wow, I didn't know it could do that" sort of deals that new players wouldn't understand. There was also Camel + getting indestructible (easily done in white, tutoring auras and equipment), or just Camel in general.

>me and some Oath of Druids asshole left
>dude swings with Blightsteel
>Raging River in play
>My camel on left, all my other shit on the right
>He puts Blightsteel on the left
>block with Camel
>lol dude it's gg, trample goes through
>get into a 30 minute debate about how banding works
>he ragequits
>hfw when I reveal my hand, I had nothing to stop it

>>52078206
I'm not building Dralnu, I'm just wondering what gets played with him since I've never considered him before.

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>>52078187
Good thing I have land tutors

>>52078224
Okay, let me rephrase that.

>Wonders aloud about a topic they admit having no knowledge of
>Immediately snubs the answer given

It's like asking about economics and then saying "lol supply and demand what stupid shit is this"

If you think you know better than the people who actually do the thing you're asking about, don't fucking ask.

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>>52076142
*throws land*

>>52078080
>thousand years elixir
>counter magic
>monastery siege
>Anvil of Bogardan
>counter mangic
>Attunement
>planeswalkers
>counter magic
>paradox engine
>mana rocks
>counter magic
>divining top
>Mind Over Matter
>counter magic

You'll be fine.

>>52078256
Dude who pissed in your cornflakes this morning? I was wondering about the effectiveness of the answers, not "snubbing" anything.

>>52077537
Actually, in the lore, it explicitly states that Kozilek has mind altering/controlling abilities beyond the other Eldrazi. Several times in fact Kozilek, or at least his presence, has caused people to fall under his thrall

>>52078095
Come to think of it, how did I forget Baton in my budget Sidisi from earlier? Given how much she likes attacking it seems wise.

>>52078338
Emrakul warps flesh and seems to also control/transcend time. (See: all of Eldritch moon)

Kozilek warps minds and revises reality. (See: It That Betrays, Turn Against)

Ulamog consumes/destroys (See: All Is Dust)

>>52078380
Kozilek and the newer interpretations of Emrakul are very muddled now. Trying to draw a line is pointless. Iconically, however, Kozilek definitely has the ability to control minds, ansd even has a distinct symbol for when he does-- the victoms get the obsidian blades over their heads.

What the cheapest "No fun for you, fuck you asshole" deck I can make? Something that can completely shut one person down while making it look like I am not picking on them?

>>52078647
cheap as in budget or cheap as in unfair mechanics?

>>52078647
If you want to disguise your targeted hate, play Azusa Turbofog LD Stax and throw the occassional Strip Mine activation at someone other than your intended target. Most Stax elements are non-directed so your victim will only have it a bit worse than everyone else.

If you give up caring about disguising the targeted nature of your hatred, go Baral Counterspell Tribal.

>>52075840
Got a list for Saskia?

>>52076971
Got a decklist? This sounds wonderful

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New thread when?

>>52079113
This one hasn't even hit autosage yet, dumbass.

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*plays forests*

>>52079113
Dude why are you so impatient? We're a good 70 posts away from bump limit and at the front page at the moment.

>>52076167
What the fuck? Has Keranos always been a nigger?

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>>52079191

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So I've been trying out my new Selvala deck and I'm kinda flabbergasted at the absurd amounts of mana she produces, so I'm wondering what some good outlets are where I can USE IT ALL. Feels kinda shitty to have hundreds of mana and then use it on a Genesis Wave for like ~60 because you don't wanna risk decking yourself.

>>52079599
>genesis wave for 60
>not winning
how?

So how angry would people be if I turned up with Baral counterspell tribal? I don't think there are more than 20 or so playable counterspells, certainly not enough to hold off a full table of faggots, so what else should I pack? Mass bounce?

>>52079599

Genesis Wave for your whole deck, then sacrifice an Eldrazi Titan to Great Good after you've spunked your wad.

>>52079624
Oh, I'm winning. I'm just saying that I hate having to leave mana open when I got so much. I want to use it all!

>>52079661
get some sick combo going with an activated ability of a creature, artifact, enchantment, etc

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>>52079661

I feel like I should just stop playing modern and invest into legacy and commander exclusively. All the fun stuff I'd do in modern I can do more in commander (bounce etb decks), crazy combos and it can be casual or competitve. Then legacy since it seems like a deeper gameplay aspect (wrong card interaction loses game on the spot).

>>52079633
I would be angry as shit personally but usually it would take you a while to draw into a wincon so you wouldn't necessarily be first on my shitlist.

I really think it depends on your meta and how cutthroat/mature they are.

>>52079633
>how angry
Grand abolisher and Cavern of Souls are in pretty much all my creature decks, so not very

People still play this shit combofest format?

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>>52080079
>t.too dumb for mtg

Enjoy ur yu-gi-oh, brainlet babby.

>>52079571
You can call it spaghetti for all I care, we still haven't reached it.

What's the best source of fast mana that doesn't cost a fortune? Sol Ring, Basalt Monolith, Thran Dynamo, ???

>>52080372
mana vault is about 2 dollarydoos more expensive than Dynamo

ancient tomb is about 20 bucks

>>52080372
elves

>>52080372
Mana Crypt $$$
Mana Vault $
Sol Ring
Grim Monolith $$
Mox Diamond $$
Chrome Mox $
Dark Ritual
Cabal Ritual
High Tide
Bubbling Muck
Rain of Filth

>>52080372
Cabal Coffers
Lake of the Dead
Ancient Tomb
Exploration
Burgeoning

>>52075840
>Saskia Enchantment Group Slug
I'm intrigued. List?

>>52080565
havoc festival, sulfuric vortex, mogis, everlasting torment, + transcendence

>>52080519
Why do people use grim monolith exactly? It's pretty much just a worse basalt monolith

>>52080652
redundancy for the rings of brighthearth meme

>>52080652
if not bait, no, it's much much better
it can come out earlier which is the whole point of fast mana

>>52080127
I had a UR control deck with like an 80% win rate at my LGS because even 3v1, casual decks couldn't compete. The format has no rules to stop think, everything operates on a peer pressure basis. No format should have to operate on a peer pressure basis.

>>52080652
GAS GAS GAS IM GONNA RAMP OUT THE GAS

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*hugs the group*

>>52080690
>everything operates on a peer pressure basis
anecdotal evidence isn't an argument, try again

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>>52080652
>costing two is worse than costing three.
You dense motherfucker.
Other than power artifact/rings there's not much reason to run Basalt over worn powerstone.

>>52080690
>I regularly defeated casuals, my understanding of the format is therefore unsurpassed.

>>52080690
List?

>>52080690
>peer pressure basis
>casual decks couldn't compete
politics will be present in a multiplayer game that's a given

also was your UR deck semi decent? if so then yes it makes sense that casual decks couldn't compete how would they? Casual means "throw in whatever cheap cards I have in. wow this is fun!"

>>52080652
Unlike basalt Monolith, it can actually accelerate you the turn it comes into play. Think of it as a colorless Cabal Ritual and you'll understand.

>>52080690
theres always duel commander if you really hate the multiplayer aspect.

The idea is that the format wasnt designed to be explicitly competitive, the elder dragons aren't the best creatures.

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*hugs a little too hard*

>>52080674
Except Grim doesn't go infinite with Rings

>>52080716
I got rid of the deck ages ago because the format stopped being fun, but it was Nin the Pain Artist with a bunch of game stallers and combo win conditions. Ramping into Gilded Lotus + Mind over Matter into Nin pinging my shit, drawing 20 cards, making 60 mana, then Comet Storming the table behind a Pact of Negation just got boring.

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>>52076646
>1000+ decks on EDHrec
>Playing normienath

>>52080757
my bad pretty sure I used a voltaic key in the same deck for value until I could get the combo.

it's been a while since I've played that

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>>52076634
AGGRESSIVE
DEFORESTATION

>>52080603
Sounds about right. No one here is playing Saskia. Might as well be me.

>>52080652
Green decks that run Seedborn will surely run Monolith.
Brago decks will run it to counteract the untap drawback.
Paradox Engine decks will use it because it's Paradox Engine.

That and pumping your important shit out earlier is a thing indeed.

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My EDH group lets me play with Braids, Cabal Minion in our group games. Would you let me play it in your group? They say it's more fun than my other actually legal decks.

>>52080916
desu I'm confused as to whether your braids deck is bad enough to be fun to play against or your other decks are too good to be fun to play against.

If your deck had any synergy at all with braids I honestly wouldn't want to play against you.

>foundry hornet
Sweet spicy Fuck, why is no one talking about this card? Sure, -1/-1 isn't a big deal, but it only hits your opponents with the easiest etb condition ever. I'm going to test this out in dirty Mike and see how it goes. Too bad there isn't a good BRx flicker commander.

>>52081142
Because it's a mediocre (and conditional) effect on a mediocre body for too high of a cost.

>>52080916
I would give you a game or two to demonstrate how unfun it is. Table scoops turn 3/4? Get the fuck out. Game goes as normal? Cool, join us again anytime.

Ive always been an aggro player in standard and modern. Always playing naya, gruul, mono red, you name it. Just got into edh and built Jhoira and oh boy blue is one hell of a drug!

I'm looking to start working on my next deck and I'm thinking Azami Lady of scrolls is what I wanna be doing! Any bros out there thats got a sweet list I can take a look at, any essential cards I gotta have for it?

>>52081191
edhrec if you haven't already.

Azami is pretty straightforward wizard tribal most of the time so stuff like voidmage prodigy and the rest of the good wizards that have been printed over the years.

>>52081191
Be prepared for hate. Azami tends to put a target on you. Most lists I've seen are combo machines.

>>52081155
Yes and no. Yes in the sense that on its own it's terrible, no in the sense that if I throw it in Ghave combo nonsense it's always going to get me value, particularly if I happen to have dirty recursion available. Onesided nausea is 2B on its own at uncommon, let alone with a 2/3 flying body for one extra mana. Sure, it's no massacre wurm, but I bet it would be pretty fancy with some minor trickery or flicker effects.

>>52080916
I'd give you the same benefit-of-the-doubt I give everyone when it comes to "I swear it's not a typical Azami/Zur/Animar/etc" deck, and start you at Threat Level 0 instead of Threat Level 5. If your deck actually is just for grins, I will be happy to have your 'technically illegal' deck at my table at any time. If you try to do degen shit and win on turn 3 while giggling to yourself about how we fell for it, the rest of the table will continue playing as if you are not there, and will not play with you again because you are a horse's ass.

>>52081226
"Value" is debatable. In EDH, I either want my effects to be cheap or powerful. There's no room for a middle-of-the-road thing where it lacks the flexibility of a cheap-but-weak effect AND the power of a strong-but-expensive effect.

The majority of the time you play that bug, it's going to kill maybe a couple random little dudes, not touch the actual threats, and leave you with a 2/3 that's probably going to die in a chump block the very next turn. That's not worth a slot in my deck.

>>52079599
Helix pinnacle

>>52081217
Jhoira is giving me a bunch of hate already so I'm getting used to it. Got any suggestions for a sweet blue commander thats a bit more low profile?

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What'd you guys get in the mail today? Got Gay Greeks.dec for $20 along with a bunch of singles for Sidar/Tana tokens and Queen Marchesa.

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>>52081323

>>52081286
My fave right now is Jalira. Shitting out tokens and turning them into beaters is lots of fun. Not as competitive as Azami, obviously.

>>52081268
You're right, if it was 1 colourless cheaper it'd more powerful and easily worth a slot, but I'm already running festercreep and all the removal in my dirty mike deck. Magical christmasland has a lot of neat plays up it's sleeve but none of them are practical, and it's not like I can toss it in Brago.

That being said, I really like a lot of cards in this set. That Lathu Hellion or whatever and Scrapper Champion have literally won me games in feldon and heroic intervention is one support card away from being broken. I feel like AE is a set a lot of people are sleeping on, outside of fatal push and super friends nonsense.

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>>52074904
>No one cares.
Why are you even here?

>>52081341
Death Pits of Rath is so metal. I need to get one and then find an excuse to run it.

>>52081366
pretty sure he isn't anymore

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>>52081100
Braids is good, but so are my other decks. Braids is easier to remove, less consistent, and extremely slow to win. Unless I power out turn two/one braids with bitterblossom, ophiomancer, Crucible, reassembling skeleton, or another recursion piece IN HAND, then the games end up being quite fair and a bit slow. Sometimes I die to my own braids because I brick for too long on recursion. If anyone has any amount of interaction whatsoever she costs 6 mana. I've only gotten scoops to hands which had braids, 4 mana, reassembling skeleton and contamination within the first 3 turns of the game.

>>52081187
I'm not saying it's fun, it is a stax deck, but what I'm saying is that it's not much more unfun/abusive than other Nath/GAAIV/Teferi stax decks. I may don't think it should be banned.

>>52081242
I'm not trying to pull a fast one on anybody, I'm just trying to play with a deck that's much more fair than people give credit.

>>52081364
>I really like a lot of cards in this set
Same. I put Untethered Express into a deck and it did way more work than I expected.

>>52081395
Then I'd let you give it a shot, and after a game or two with you proved you weren't trying to pull a fast one, it would always be welcome at our tables.

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>>52075551
>Is this a viable commander?

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>>52075551
>colorless Wheel
>colorless cost-limited Insurrection
As a hardcore redfag, do not like. Just... make him red.

>I'm not saying it's fun, it is a stax deck, but what I'm saying is that it's not much more unfun/abusive than other Nath/GAAIV/Teferi stax decks.

That's fair then, if it's on the same level as those other decks. I am still gonna hate you for playing stax, but that's a separate issue.

>>52081398
Not to mention the expertise cards. Yahenni's basically says "eat a dick, then taste my free necropotence/read the bones/sign in blood/some other silly broken card" and Barals hideously overpowered for a blue card.

>>52081500
oops, meant to link >>52081395

>>52077997
Also requesting Dralnu list.

>>52074978

Actual Sean here, and it wasn't me this time I swear.

Unban Braids desu

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>>52077997
>not R/U
Can they contain one but not the other?

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*mills*

>>52081566
Said no mimeoplasm deck ever.

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>>52081566

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*cries and poops itself*

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*wheels 3 times in one turn*

310th for Colgate is best gate, blue a shit and red is for clown based serial killers.

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does this work?

>>52081957
Are you okay? You sound like you need a doctor.

>>52081979
Yes, I do need a doctor, I have a major case of GHAVE FEVER BABY.

But seriously, golgari is the broest 2c deck possible, followed closely by gruul and non-storm/spellslinger Izzet. Sure, Meren is boring, but nonMeren decks are always neat and fun.

>>52081978
>I have no bait but I must post.

>>52082043
True. I love my Varolz deck.

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>>52081566
> I put Jin-Gitaxis, Sheoldred, and Vorinclex in my graveyard
> WHY IS EVERYONE ATTACKING ME? FUCK YOU GUYS!

>>52081733
That art is really creepy

>>52082043
>non-storm/spellslinger Izzet
Are you saying that non-storm Izzet and spellslinger Izzet are bros, or that non-storm Izzet and non-spellslinger Izzet are bros?

>>52082249
I think he meant non(storm/spellslinger). Although, now I'm not sure. What would that be, aside from Jhoira? Dragons? Hm. Now I want clarification too!

New thread when?

>>52082299
could always be chaos

>>52082249
>>52082299
I meant spellslinger/storm izzet players are dicks, but anything else is usually super fun and favourably received.

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>>52081323
I'm cheating slightly, I didn't get these cards in the mail, I got them from my fiance's dad

NEW THREAD
>>52082492
>>52082492
>>52082492
>>52082492

>>52082429
time to dump your fiance and marry the daddy

>>52081341
>not promo Oros
Fuck off.