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>>52046348
Do all spike babies get a human lifespan? I thought that was just for orcs to excuse Bull's faggotry. We should have been hearing about elves dying of old age by now otherwise.

Yekka when are proper vampire rules getting put into Chummer?

Does a listing of subsidiary companies for various megas exist? Do most people just wing it? I have a few months to prep my campaign (for once) and this will be my first long term shadowrun campaign and im interested in work that might have been done for me, either by the devs or the fans.

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>>52048918
There's a bunch in Market Panic for the big 10, and otherwise it's off of what you find in books as off-hand mentions.

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>>52048413
Doesn't apply in this case. The argument is that anyone that Goblinised (ie Orks and Trolls) still receives a human lifespan. Dwarves and elves are born that way, so no lifespan changes.

Honestly the bet way I can think of to do it would be an elf with progeria; aging before his time, frustrated with a world that's more interested in why he's broken than in him personally, resolving to burn out bright and covered in wealth.
>>52048508
Hm?

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>>52048918
Here ya go captain

>>52048966
cool, thanks for the image as well.

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>>52049137
Those logos are from cyberpunk 2020 but I use some of them anyways.

>>52049090
And that was exactly what I was hoping for. now i must leave the internet. Don't get eaten Chummers, by the shadows or the devil rats

>>52049078
The RF modular vampire rules; currently it's barebones and you can't spend karma for new powers.

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>>52049270
It's outdated, that's from 4e. Here's a sample of what the Market Panic stuff looks like.

What are the things in the lore y'all throw out or alter when you're in a game of Shadowrun? For instance, I've never been in game that applied the whole 'Ork and Trolls have shorter than human natural life spans' thing.

>>52048413
>Do all spike babies get a human lifespan? I thought that was just for orcs to excuse Bull's faggotry.
You're conflating spike babies and bog standard goblinisation. Anyone affected by the latter gets a human lifespan.

>>52048330
>>52048966
Why u shadowrunners keep stealing Cyberpunk 2020 original content donut steel?!?

>>52049996
If you ain't down with Marshal Menace you ain't down with shit

>>52049755
I actually like that bit of fluff, since it gives each race their unique quirks without resorting to being purely IRL race parallels. Orks having earlier puberties, hence the popular idea of them being all criminals since birth, while trolls trying to get their "Age of X" lowered since by the time they can buy beer they are in their middle age already.

Most of the fluff I change is on South America, while I really enjoyed some parts of Shadows of Latin America, they still don't know a lot of the history behind the countries.
For example, Uruguay has a long history of alchemists both politics and entrepreneurs; one of them building an entire city following his meticulous "planning". Argentina has a very mix of nationalistic pride, corporate sellout, racial tolerance and unity, and worship to living idols. Chile's government will make a deal with the devil for cash and the ability to pretend to be a high class country.
Just basically whenever I make games south of the Equator outside of Amazonia it doesn't have much to do with the official fluff.

>>52048330
Jesus fucking christ that image.

For those who want a link to the original thread for the image; https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/51943786/

Does anyone know if there is a book in 5th with phoenixes in them? Howling shadows has a SURGE variant for them, but no the actual base mythical beast.

>>52049996
Marshal Menace was a runner for life.

>>52049996
>>52051080
He can fly solo, but he ain't a Solo, neh?

>>52048330
My edit got to be an OP post? I just... I don't even know what to say.

I'm honored.

>>52051273
Marshal Menace is the hero the sixth world needs

>>52051273
It was a group effort though

>>52051425
>tfw Marshal Menace is a post crash2.0 digital intelligence composite
>Megaera Mirage

>>52049996
>why do shadowrunners steal things

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>>52051727
Come on, my fellow shadowstepper. Surely we should respect this fellow's intellectual property. After all, he invested the time and money into creating something, he should decide how it should be used and be the sole beneficiary of any profits.

Anyways I have to go back to mean roads, death to Ares Megatechnology.

>>52051727
Hey! Not all runners steal things!
#NotAllRunners
some of us do wetwork instead

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>>52051794
Stealing lives is still stealing son.

>>52051794

>There is only one sin, only one. And that is theft.
>Every other sin is a variation of theft
>When you kill a man, you steal a life.
>You steal his wife's right to a husband, rob his children of a father.
>When you tell a lie, you steal someone's right to the truth.
>When you cheat, you steal the right to fairness.

I'm beginning to write up a campaign set in 2077 where the PCs are being unknowingly (at first) used by UCAS government officials to undermine the public trust in Megacorps, giving the government a stepping-stone to expand government power and begin to take back the country.

What I'm having trouble with is seeding clues early in the story that the runner's actions are having, or leading to, significant public media fallout for the MegaCorps. Other than mentioning news casts during/between runs, dropping bits of info in NPC dialogue, and a protest planned to take place after the 5th run, I'm not really sure how to tell the players 'your actions are changing the world' without straight up saying 'Yo you dumb motherfuckers, look around. All this shit is related to what your crew did, homies.'.

>>52052063
>being unknowingly used to undermine public trust in megacorps

I'd be okay with that desu.

>>52048330
Who's the biggest, nastiest, drek-dealing sumbitch you know?

In a previous game one of our fixers was a retired professional boxer. He had pimped out cyberarms and ran a strip club/brothel that we regularly did business at. He was as gay as a rainbow flag and I wouldn't have been surprised if he farted glitter. He was also one of the few genuinely decent people that we met. He took care of his employees, kept them off the more dangerous drugs, and protected them from the kind of people that strippers and prostitutes tend to need protection from. So when we watched him punch the jaw clean off a jacked-up elf threatening to shoot up his establishment we knew not to ever get on his bad side.

>>52051945
>there is only one sin, and that's breaking the law

>>52052063
>'Yo you dumb motherfuckers, look around. All this shit is related to what your crew did, homies.'
News reports work great for this. "authorities are tracking down the perpetrators of this incident, one such description of them is [RUNNERFACE]

>>52048413
Is that a picture of a dude?

>>52050473
>One pretty great evolution of an image into a Shadowrunner pic
>The rest is idiotic gender politics from both sides
Dear god that's terrible

More importantly, how do I learn to shoop photos like that? I want to make a chromed up golden retriever

>>52051945
What about jaywalking, selling without a license, and sharing ice cream?

>>52052332
Find pictures of the bits you want, cut them out, dump them on the original.
Unfortunately golden-retriever shaped cybernetics might be harder to find pictures of online than sunglasses and mohawks.

Does anyone know where to get info on the psionic tradition?

I need a source book to show my GM

>>52052351

> Stealing safe roads from the people.
> Stealing funds from the government.
> Stealing a heart.

>>52052413

Shadow Spells , page 5.

>>52052249
It's an elf so... eh?

>>52052063
>mentioning news casts during/between runs, dropping bits of info in NPC dialogue, and a protest planned to take place after the 5th run
That should be pretty solid if you clearly connect it to things related to the run. Something like "shares in shiawase are down this week after a terrorist attack in their regional headquarters raised questions about the company's ability to protect its citizens..."

Did you consider having them hear stuff said by throwaway background NPCs? Perhaps having some NPCs distribute fliers advertising the protest, or a sermon-leader-type barking in the street about the run's fallout and how mad it makes everyone?

>>52052351
Jaywalking and ice cream are sins now? Man, this really is a dystopian future.

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What are some things to just fuck a vampire's shit up? Is there a sunlight spell or anything of the sort?

>>52053249

Sunbeam. Shadow Spells, pg. 17

SUNBEAM (INDIRECT)
Type: P
Range: LOS
Damage: P
Duration: I
Drain: F–1
Developed under contract with the Kingdom of Benin by Mitsuhama, Sunbeam was intended to give spellcasters an advantage against HMHVV-Infected invaders or infiltrators from Asamando. The spell creates an instantaneous beam of sunlight directed at the target. Intended to take advantage of ghouls’ vulnerability to sunlight, it has proven effective against other sufferers of the virus. The spell is not very useful against targets without any Allergy to sunlight; it does half the normal damage (rounded up) as Stun damage. Damage resolution is handled as explained in Indirect Combat Spells (p. 283, SR5). Against targets who have the Allergy (sunlight) weakness, however, the spell’s Damage Value is increased to twice what it normally is, and it always inflicts Physical damage regardless of the target’s armor value. All targets must deal with the bright glare of the spell; any target hit by the spell (whether it does damage or not) receives a –1 dice pool penalty to their next attack due to glare (flare compensation of any kind removes this penalty).

>>52053297
My ghetto Julius Belmont thanks you

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>>52053249
>>52053297

Or you could just get a high intensity UV lamp.

>>52053484
>local man fights vampire with aquarium lamp

>>52053484

Hey man, Florida still exists in the Sixth world.

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>>52053488
Not all of us have HTR money, but all of us have a right to kick Count Chocula's hoop back into his coffin.

>>52053607

Ever notice how much cereal mascots sound like runner names.

>Alright Mr. Johnson, I got just the team for the job: Count Chocula, Trix Rabbit, S.C.P, Frankenberry, and Lucky the Leprechaun.

>>52048330
>>52051632
What was the full back story of Marshal Menace? I wasn't around for the thread.

>>52053735
>Don't make us bring in Fruit Brute, man. Just give us the data.

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>>52053751
read the thread >>52050473

>>52048330
>See legendary pic
Such a funny thread.

>>52053735
>S.C.P

? All I can find after googling is shit about the creepypasta folks

>>52053814
Snap crackle and pop

>>52053828
They don't seem like runners; they seem like the type to hire you to go seal up the entrance to the Keebler tree and soak the tree in kerosene.

>>52053297
Assuming a vampire gets alleviate allergy, what happens then?

>>52053863
You blow his head off with explosives, can't regenerate a head.

>>52053877
Dude, are you retarded? I meant in the context of that spell.

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>>52053922
Anon's just being practical.

>>52054002
So he doesn't know. I think the allergy resistance kicks in first, meaning the vampire takes stun.

It's how I'd rule it.

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>>52053863
>>52054041
He doesn't know because there's no official ruling on it.

Personally I apply the same rules to that spell as the RAW for clothes for vampire allergies; can't go below Mild. Because Sunbeam doesn't care how severe the allergy is, full effects apply.

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Ok, so im going to be running SR5 thats homebrewed into absolute oblivion (including matrix rules adapted from The Ends of the Matrix, tweaks to Infected, 4e rules for AI, etc). So, of course, chummer5 is out of the question. What i want to know is if I should just use Chummer as a bookkeeping and index tool rather than as a character builder while using a excel sheet or fillable pdfs.
Also re-designed AAA logo spam incoming.

>>52053863

I'm say this is up to your GM. Alleviate Allergy doesn't get rid of the allergy it just lowers the intensity of it. The Sunbeam spell specifies "targets who have the Allergy (sunlight)" with no stipulation about allergy strength; I could see the GM ruling that Alleviate Allergy doesn't have any effect on Sunbeam.

That said, dumping the Karma/nuYen into a spell and then having your GM say "lol, dosen't work." feels really shitty. If I'm being real with you, I don't know how I'd handle it. I might say that every net hit scored on Alleviate Allergy(sunlight) reduces the DV of Sunbeam before Sunbeam's DV is doubled, but that's just me.

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>>52054080
Except alleviate allergies removes the penalty, so giving it special rules alters the whole spell.

>>52054098
That seems a fair compromise, actually!

Now, can you buy off negative qualities?

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>>52054095
The white-on-black one looks a bit off...
Think reversing the gradient on it may help.

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>>52054161
Alleviate Allergies explicitly does not remove the allergy, only alleviates the effects. RAW going about dressed in full covering clothes and a mask as a vampire reduces the severity of the allergy, but does not alleviate it completely.

It's not altering the whole spell on a whim, it's bringing two corner cases into line, prioritizing the vampire's vulnerabilities over magic's ability to fix everything (otherwise there's absolutely no reason for the vulnerability to exist, because every vamp should have a sustaining health focus at all times if one spell could cure this major vulnerability).

>>52054177

Depends on the quality. If a vampire wants to buy off Allergy(Sunlight) they can get the fuck right off of my table. If somebody wants to buy off Uneducated and they make the effort of saying their character goes to Nightschool or whatever, then after a couple months, maybe a year of in game time, I'd say yeah. Yeah, pay me the Karma you spent on it, here's your G.E.D. Now get out there and do something with your life. Specifically, do the thing in the next run where you have to calculate the correct angle to lob a dumb grenade so it'll clear a high wall and land in an executive's hottub at 1:45 AM when your face has convinced him to take her back to his place and he's getting ready for her in the jacuzzi.

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>>52054230

Pro's and Con's of a street samurai vs a physical adept. Not necessarily who would win in a fight, I'm just new to Shadow Run and want to play as a combat focused character and have trouble deciding.

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>>52054095
Do you happen to have just the top picture in wallpaper size ?

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>>52054372
Street samurai can do more stuff, physads can do stuff more better.

It's easy to get crazy-high die pools with physads, and they have some nifty powers that can snowball to make them the mechanical best in whatever specific skill they want to specialize in. Street sams can use cyberware to do things that magic cannot replicate (like ignore penalties from stun damage, grapple-hands and rocket-legs) but they're less autistically good at their one thing.

>>52048413
Lifespan is starting to get weird in 5e. Toward the end of 4e, they posted an adept who had metahuman traits (extended lifespan), though that reeks of an author insert from the conversation in the shadowtalk section (10 mercs, bravo company, rifleman).

Now they're talking about how a 127 year old man is looking to die because "leonisation doesn't work so well anymore" - it was invented 20 years ago? He should be physically 40 at most with the invention time, for fucks sakes. They act like he's getting it yearly despite the 1 essence cost. And that's not the only place I've seen bits like that. It wouldn't be lifespan extension, because he's clearly not that old.

>>52054539

To be honest with you, I don't have a problem with Extended Lifespan so long as it's a metamagic.

>>52054562
I think they should bring back a bastardised version of ED's eternal youth spell as a ritual, but without the opportunity to just 'shift' the damage - you either take the permenent damage yourself, or kill a motherfucker for every box you'd normally suffer as part of the ritual.

Extended lifespan is fine, it has zero gameplay considerations unless you're running a campaign across decades. Which is kind of fun, to be honest. It's just the way they treat it in fluff that irks me. And, you know, the whol author self insert thing.

>>52054581
I mean, shit. They talk about the Ancients having a gang upheaval because of it. Not just because of the extended reign of the gang leaders, but because the gang leaders talked about getting leonisation. They're elves, and like 45-50. They had the better part of 350 years to go. They didn't *need* leonisation. It's fucking stupid.

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How would I go about making X9 in shadowrun?
It's a robot, but it doesn't have all that weird floaty lives on the matrix junk. And in combat it acts basically like any gunbunny or gun adept.

>>52053863
>This spell does not remove the allergy, only alleviates its effects

>>52055509
>Make AI
>Get a Anthro drone
>Maximise the limbs and armor
>Get in
>?????
>Profit?

>>52055590
>??????
>get killed by a human adept with a katana who doesn't use a shitty AI build
I figured out your mystery letters

>>52054095
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>>52054391
Holy fuck these are way better than the canon logos.

>>52053751
He was just a nigga stereotype that an anons GM wouldn't let fly as a stereotype. /TG/ turned it into a joke so he could slide it by as an actual character and enabled his /pol/ faggotry. For some reason they are proud of this. Mind you OP was probably a baiting faggot and that game was never real, so at least this was better than biting.

>>52054245
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>>52054098
I would like to point out a vampires sub allergy is not precisely natural either. VITAS is an awakened viral disease, it is magical by nature. A vampires allergy to sunlight could count as a magical effect and is not necessarily affected by health spells.

>>52055686
Er, VITAS was not Awakened. That was a regular old plague. You're thinking of HMHVV.

>>52054372
>>52054433
Also phys ads tend to be squishier because, at least in 4e, samurai could pile on the armor via 'ware, especially if they had cyber limbs. The physical adpt armor power is comparitively expensive and inefficient compared to orthoskin or dermal sheathing

>>52055686
If it's an inherent effct, it isn't 'magical'. There are published vampires who use the spell, which I'll cheerfully back up with a page number just as soon as I goddamned find my books.

Just because they aren't burning doesn't mean it doesn't weaken them - they can't use vampiric powers in sunlight, even if the spell is up. And given the new 'guidelines' from Pat 'I'm a huge fucking faggot' Goodman, not being able to reduce allergy effects with spells would leave them pretty much unable to traverse the sprawl or ever use their powers given how ubiquitous UV is in the lighting systems.

>>52055691
Right, my bad. VITAS kills people, HMVV makes them monsters

>>52055716
>UV lighting systems

I can see this in middle and up neighborhoods, but low/squat/barrens neighborhoods should be cheap shitty LED all the way

UV lighting sounds like precisely the kind of fad to make the SINners feel healthier - and safer, from vampires and shit.

>>52055716
>it isn't 'magical'
It is magical.

>This treatment cannot be used to treat allergies derived from magical sources or inherent to metatype, including light Allergies for Infected characters.
Infected aren't metatypes or metavariants, so ...

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>>52055735
So clearly, the optimal idea for a vampire is to just buy off the negative quality.

>>52055923
>just buy off the negative quality.
As the other Chummer had said: good fucking luck getting your GM to allow it

>>52055923
Sure - just do one small thing first. Remove the magical viral infection that changes virtually on a whim and seemingly just to frustrate attempts to research and counter it.

>>52055970
>changes virtually on a whim
Goddamned freelancers.

>>52055970
>>52055985
HMVV is an awakened virus, it likely IS self aware and probably does change just to avoid being cured.

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>playing Dragonfall
>Blitz, the decker character, has a hack commlink ability
>it confuses characters and makes them fight for your side
>you can use it on enemies without commlinks like fucking dogs
>mfw

>>52055941
>>52055970
It's magic, he probably ain't gotta try to convince too hard.

Lets face it, HMHVV are sub optimal anyway. If they wanna buy off negatives, let 'em.

>>52055923
Most metatype qualities can't be bought off. Things like Uneducated are specifically noted as being able to be removed.

>>52056243
>He doesn't fit his dogs with commlinks
How the fuck do you communicate with your dogs over long distance, then, idiot?

So what was the canon ending to Lockdown? Which corp ended up getting the paydata, now they're referencing it in books?

Also if your group played it and didn't immediately pick Monobe so they could retire as wealthy, wealthy bastards, they're running wrong.

>>52056243
>>52056279
The dogs, may in fact have implanted commlinks that allow their handler to give them instructions. In this context it actually makes the MOST sense for them to fight for you when confused, because they would be trained to obey the voice on the commlink

>>52056267
Vampire isn't a metatype and metatypes don't usually have negative qualities. Either way, Goodman fucked that book.

>>52056368
It's a nice change from bull sticking his sweaty cock in things.

>>52056368
>metatypes don't usually have negative qualities.
U wot

>>52056396
I think the books are the only thing he's allowed to stick his cock in

>>52056418
You mean metavariants.

Finally got around to reading market panic. Ares has a total megacorp pop in the tens of millions - most do, and apparently anywhere from 8-20 percent of them are bug spirits, with a rough guess from jackpoint's saner members at about 10%. Bob from Accounting is actually a good-merge ant-spirit. That cute girl in the office kitchen really wants to go out for a drink after work mostly just wants to get you alone to fill you full of her cockroach children. Tom the manager's teambuilding exercises are more like hive building exercises. "Hey dave, pass the sauce?" "Sure thing, Hivewarden Drexithiliar!"

Can I have some of what CGL is smoking?

>>52056497
aylmao, screenshot?

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>>52056507
Page 45 for the other paragraphs. More numbers are brought up throughout the article.

>>52056524
Eh, thats not as funny as the post above made it seem like.
So, some bug spirits in the corp and crackpots thinking "its a lot of them".
bleh

>>52056538
Keep on for the rest. But that post is the only way I can see such a company functioning.

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>>52056243
Lockdown's deckers used to have an ability that let them stun people by exploding a lightbulb over their head; this got a little weird in forests.
>>52056368
Sorry, mental shorthand. in my head infected == metatype. I'm not super on board with the idea that you can buy off qualities that are a packaged component of the positive quality, but I guess there's nothing really preventing it aside from the GM fiat that you can only buy off qualities with their say-so.

>>52056656
I could see it being fluffed as something like resistance training, like a vampire that goes out into the sun each day until he nearly dies, slowly building a tolerance/breaking the mental association that it'll kill him?

>>52056656
>>52056485
>>52056418
>>52056368
Vampirism is a fucking disease and so is any GM that lets you buy off its negative traits. It's supposed to be a horrible magic AIDS, not a super power serum. There's a reason few corps or governments even consider HMVV positives to be people. They're lower than SINless.

>>52056675
>Mental association

It is literally fucking magic

>>52056684
Exposure to wood produces a violent allergic re-
action, meaning just resting your hands on a nice un-
varnished mahogany table can result in immediate
blistering. And these kinds of reactions don’t always re-
generate like most traumas will. Applied magical healing
or medical treatment is equivalent to any similar wound
in a metahuman. Some Infection strains can also have
their own unique allergens, such as wolfsbane. Some
vampires develop psychosomatic allergies, exhibiting
pain and blistering when exposed to holy symbols or
garlic, though there is no known scientific cause for it
beyond the virus making the host’s belief manifest. In
an odd way, that offers some hope for many of us. If the
virus can be fooled into making us weaker, it can also
perhaps be made to adapt in other ways, allowing us to
feed less, return to the sun, and otherwise ease the bur-
den placed on us and society.

>>52050473
lel epic thread man best maymay in weeks xDDDD

>>52056694
>Tell vampire that table is really just fake plastic, no need to worry
>Six months after sale, call and tell him the table is actually a tasteful mahogany number, purest wood.
>Vampire bursts into flame
Vampire hunting interior decorators?

>>52056694
Alright, so the reason Vampires are horrors - aside from the fact they must spiritually murder another sentient feeling being every few days - is because they're giant pussies and aren't WILL TO POWER enough to literally fuck VITAS into making them ubermensch

I'll admit that some kind of hardcore Neitzche Vampire with no weaknesses because he said FUCK YOU to the universe hard enough would make for a really interesting, tough campaign villain, but I feel like there needs to be more complications than that.

>>52056724
Again, it's not VITAS, it's HMHVV.

VITAS is a totally unrelated and non-magical plague that fucked the world REALLY hard, but is NOT HMHVV.

>>52056678
Go to bed, Goodman.

>>52056724
Closest thing to Vampires in ED were full blown undead, and they, uh, weren't typical undead. Horror constructs and cadaver men were pretty bestial.

HMHVV eats essence, okay. Horrors didn't eat essence - the really base line ones ate physical matter. The equivalent of insects to us. Then you moved up - things like Nomads aren't quite horrors, but they'r close. Fed on violence. As the power goes up, their diet becomes more rarefied. Ysgraithe ate that subtle, final surrender of hopelessness almost exclusively. Aashvat Many Eyes ate the dawning terror and fear that his powers were designed to cause.

And then you get to Verjigorm, but he got his rocks off by warping the world to his whim, so whatever. The only way HMHVV could be a horror-spawn using ED lore that i know of is if it was from the Ashlands that are now Belarus and Lithuana, but they didn't do that sort of thing to characters.

There is at least one pre-awakening Nosferatu confirmed, probably more. So I'm guessing it was either an attempt to recreate the draconic Great (insert race here) rituals or a bit of a Theran fuckaround since they absolute DID do this sort of thing to people. But not supported by the Denairastas since, you know, no draconic fucking around involved or any of the 'known' factions. Possibly the result of the three mad patterns merging and shattering into some sort of viral creature, with the 'optional' powers manifesting as their Questor powers.

>>52056731
>>52056740
>HMHVV (or Human-Metahuman Vampiric Virus) is a retrovirus that achieves its full virulence and power only in a magic-rich environment—such as post-Awakening Earth. The virus itself has existed throughout history and even expressed in very rare instances during the relatively magic-poor Fifth World. When a metahuman’s immune system fails to stave off infection, the virus begins to systematically re-shape their auras and genetic code—transforming them into forms reminiscent of the night-stalking monsters of legend.

It's a disease
A magical disease
You mongs.

It's supposed to be a curse, not a juice up for powergaming runners

>>52056786
Pat, hey, hey pat. What's your next kick in the dick to people playing badwrongfun games? Is it going to be some sort of cyberware crash virus that only affects street-samurai with a public awareness above 1? A shift to some sort of consensus basd magic, so mages have to be extra stealthy or be rendered mundane? Deckers being able to shoot people to death with the power of their super cool counterculture selves and clothes and decks?

>>52056786
Pat, please. Elissa just wants to go home, she's sick of editing and changing your colostomy bag. I know you're like 60 now so please please rest.

>>52056792
>>52056857
You people are the same ADHD fucks who brought us SURGE

>>52056792
>A shift to some sort of consensus basd magic, so mages have to be extra stealthy or be rendered mundane?
DESU mages could use a nerf of some sort, nothing like that obviously

>>52056957
Change OR back to the way it was in 4e, that'll fuck 'em.

>>52056951
Pat, literally nothing we could ever do could shit up the game as much as you.

>>52056792
Only the five base metatypes as playable characters, obviously.

>>52056978
But the non-human four have lifestyle modifiers like dwarves/trolls do now, and a permanent boost to public awareness because they stick out so much.

And roll a d6 every session for every metahuman runner; on a 1, they're lynched by humanis thugs for not fitting in and tear up their character sheet.

>>52056951
Pat, you need to not get so worked up. Your heart isn't what it used to be. I know you mean well but your changes are ruining the game.

Try not to die.

>>52056978
>>52056996
>>52056997
Metatypes and even metavarients are fine

Changeling snowflakes are not

Remove Drake
remove Changeling
HMVV is NPC disease no PC infected
Infection = you lose PC you are now a monster consumed by your insatiable hunger for human SOULS
I will poop where I damn well please

>>52057017

With that outlook on infection, how does that work with the ones that don't drain essence?

>>52057017
Pat, is it true that in 6e, all games must be sent to you for personal approval? And that you will personally show up to our house and fuck the dog if you think we're having badwrongfun without your permission? Or is Stephen going to turn up to our house and try to eat us?

>>52057017
Hey, Pat, what about AI's?

From a random sampling of 64 runners, 4 identified themselves as Infected or HMHVV carriers, 2 identified themselves as drakes, and 12 identified themselves as Changelings.

Assuming that nobody doubled up (A Changeling Drake, for example), then 18/64 or 28% of runners are Snowflakes. Rounding down to 25 percent, that means that in an average four-man runteam, there is one snowflake.

Look at your party. If you can't find the snowflake, it might just be you.

>>52055970

>Remove the magical viral infection that changes virtually on a whim and seemingly just to frustrate attempts to research and counter it.

Sure, let me drag up the notes for High Magic (4e book that sadly got canned due to the money shenanigans of the company but tne notes for it got shared online). Blood Magic + Cybermancy can, with a very risky ritual, fix it. You basically yank the astral form out of the body with blood magic and cure the astral form, which transfers the effects to the physical body.

Bam, cured. You know, assuming you didn't fuck up any of the several bloody hard rolls and have a bleeding edge medical facility.

>>52057017
Pat, are you also removing technomancers?

>>52057017
Changelings are fine, they need a greater variety of negative qualities so they aren't just the same minmax same-old-same-old garbage.

Drakes are trash and should never have been in the game in the first place.

HMHVV brings a whole shitload of negatives, doesn't do much that's all that impressive positive-wise, and from a fluff perspective it's manageable enough that there's no reason to force people into being NPCs when it happens.

Having things be NPC only in general is just bad design.

>>52057040
Makes sense, I guess. Peeople with weird abilities are going to do different jobs, ones making use of said weird abilities.

>>52057042
I remember that book.

>>52057044

The other thing with HMHVV is that well...it's basically a perfect reason for why someone is working the shadows rather than having a comfy corp job with all those skills of theirs. Got bitten by a vamp/ghoul. Bam, you are now unemployable by most corps but valuable in the shadows.

>>52057047

It's like how magic is statistically massively over-represented in runner groups.

>>52057032
If your dog didn't want it they wouldn't drag their ass in the air!
>>52057037
No AIs!
>>52057043
No but I won't publish any useful material for them! Also people will continue to hate them for no reason!

>>52057077
Pat, is it true you have an RL quality for Allergy (Extreme, Published Errata)?

>>52057040
We both know at least six of those are between four players.

>>52057040
What other stats do you have?

>>52057095
48% of our runner sample had a legal or criminal SIN.

Combat specialist is the most popular archetype, followed by Matrix Specialist, followed by Magic Specialist.

Our two largest groupings for Essence were 34% at 6 essence and 15% at less than 1.

53% was mundane, 37% Awakened, and 9% Emerged.

Half of the Awakened characters are Adepts

Human is the most popular metatype, followed by Elf

>>52057130
What percentage were secretly author inserts in the fiction parts of books?

>>52057130
That...seems really good info. How many Mysads and Mages, troll and metavariants?

>>52057130
To be fair, the reason there are almost no non-human/elf characters is because you get fucked hard trying to build them.

>>52057159
Which is funny, since Orks were the best metatype in 4.

>>52057164
*Best metatype on a purely cost-to-Karma-efficiency analysis, and still only good if you were making a highly physical character.

>>52057164

Yeah. Elves were pretty crap in 4e unless you made a Cha-Mage. You got decent stats but you paid a lot more than an orc for a lot less in the end.

>>52057130
What was the last 1%?

>>52057139
This is from a shadowrun community that where polled on their characters, not from lorebooks.

>>52057144
4 Mystic Adepts, 8 Mages, 3 trolls, and 9 Metavariants.

The highest proportion of metavariants was Dwarves, which had a 50% split between regular dwarves and Gnomes.

>>52057176
A cyberzombie.

>>52057176
>What was the last 1%?
Trailing decimal points.

IT was specifically 37.5% Mundane, 53.1% Awakened, and 9.4% Emerged.

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>>52057189
Yeah, uh, I asked because I ended up scratching this out to see how your numbers were looking. Cyberzombies are the trailing decimal points of mankind anyway.

>>52057040
No Pixies?

>>52048413
No, Spike Babies (who are seemingly universally elves and dwarves) live their full lifespans; Dodger was one and is over seventy years old now, still looks 25.
Bull wasn't a Spike Baby, he just Goblinized.

>>52057207
One of the players here. I did include my Pixie because they were more of a theory craft.

>>52057207
No metasapients. No Pixies, AI, Free Spirits, sasquatches, or naga.

Yet.

>>52057219
Did not, I mean.

>>52052597
Shadowrun male elves don't look like women, which is a stereotype that wouldn't exist for another seven years at the time.
They look like David Bowie, Sting, and Billy Idol and naturally have giant 80's hairdoos.

I'm not joking.

>>52057246
Shadowrun doesn't have to be pointlessly 80s as hell.

Hey Yekka, the Infected Bite/Claws for Harvesters is being recorded twice on the Weapons section for some reason. Fairly minor problem, but still.

>>52056140
Actually, HMHVV quite likely has something to do with the Horrors.
Exactly ONE vampire appeared in Earthdawn, and though he didn't work even remotely like the Infected did he had a connection to the Horrors and they were responsible for his condition, though not on purpose I think.

>>52057276
Wait, scracth that, I'm dumb.

However, if you add the quality and remove it, the Bite/Claws don't actually get cleared off the sheet. And if you re-add it, you end up with multiple sets.

While we're on the topic of it, how would you do an Infected Shadowrunner and NOT have it be retarded/snowflakey? Mechanically, they're not really particularly amazing, but storywise, what?

Just have them be some street kid who got infected, and they were forced to turn to Tamanous, which set them towards doing runs to survive?

>>52056778
There was ONE creature listed as a vampire in Earthdawn in literally the last old book released (Barsaive at War), but you are correct nonetheless; he worked basically nothing like the Infected, enough so that you'd have trouble even comparing the two.

>>52057274
And yet both the developers fail to retcon the 80's as hell things and also try to drag the tech level BACK to 80's as hell.
Isn't life just an endless bitch that way?

>>52057285

Y'know, personally? I'm kind of glad the Earthdawn licencing mess-up dropped that metaplot from Shadowrun. The setting really didn't need some external world-destroying potential threat looming over it, it didn't serve much narrative purpose.

>>52056778
Wait a minute.

Is there somewhere I can read up on this shit?

Because this sounds interesting.

>>52057274
>Shadowrun doesn't have to be pointlessly 80s as hell.
Fuck you.

>>52057298

Don't prance around in a cape?

That's really my suggestion. Just play it as it is on the table: A vampire is a person with a disease that's forcing them to do some fairly terrible things to survive. A Shadowrunner is a person with a situation that's forcing them to do some legally grey things to survive. It's just another facet of the 'Driven into the shadows' plot you use whenver someone who was complacent and happy in their lives has to take up shadowrunning.

>>52057298
I bet most runner Infected are like that.
It's really just a more extreme version of loosing your corp job or SIN or getting screwed so that you have to go outside the law to survive when you think about it really, and that's quite a few runner origins.
>>52057327
Really it was more like they were an IMPENDING threat in another two thousand years or more, especially after their little "shortcut" got destroyed.
The Horrors are quite explicitly a long-term problem, to the point where literally no one except the immortals or dragons would really have to end up dealing with them.
>>52057336
Earthdawn stuff
There's a book entirely about Horrors for Earthdawn.

>>52057336
Which shit, specifically? ED books are a bit thin on the ground - check 4shared and the pirate bay. 3 and 4e are scattered. If you just want earthdawn/shadowrun connections, hit up danvolodar.ru/ancientfiles/index.html and check the immortals, artifex and crossovers sections.

If you've just got specific questions, there's me and one other enormous earthdawn faggot in here who sometimes pops up and we can probably run you through it.

>>52056778
>The only way HMHVV could be a horror-spawn using ED lore that i know of is if it was from the Ashlands that are now Belarus and Lithuana, but they didn't do that sort of thing to characters.
Isn't that relatively near Eastern Europe?
Where most European-style vampire myths seem to originate?

>>52057355

Dragons and Immortal Elves always just... they're so far above a normal shadowrunning team, y'know? I never treat them differently than megacorps: They're both ponderous giants wading around, their motions creating waves and ripples that the players navigate.

I'm sure games that reach the levels where the characters do reach that level of influence and can hobble megacorps and slay great dragons exist, but I havent run or played in them.

>>52057376
Belarus and Lithuania are not NEAR Eastern Europe, they are IN Eastern Europe.

>>52057358
Horrors.

>>52057376
It is. Earthdawn was based around Barsaive primarily - modern day Ukraine. North of there and northeast would be about vampire myth ground central, yeah. If it was THERANS, though, the myth goes south to the Mediterranean. Unless they tried to release it as one of their millions of magic super soldier programs up in Barsaive and the rebellious nations that way, anyway.
>>52057355
Eh. There are some minor ones loose already. Aztech's little splinter factions keep trying to bring them through.

>>52057386
I've used regular dragons before, but only GD's by dint of several times removed and only playing a small part of their schemes, and IE's the same way.
GD's and IE's I use to inspire plots the way the edicts of important world leaders affect individual people; they probably do in some distant echo of an echo way and your life may indeed react to it, but you are under no illusions that they are somehow an actual part of your lives.

The closest I've got is one particular scene with JOHNNY SPINRAD that was largely done for the sake of humor.

>>52057414
>The closest I've got is one particular scene with JOHNNY SPINRAD that was largely done for the sake of humor.
What was the scene?

>>52057390
Uh, okay. In the Aetherology book you'll se Azzoloth, the Bridge Between Worlds. And the giant chasm. As the mana level in the world rises, the chasm closes. Things like blood magic - high end stuff, like the great ghost dance - make it easier, creating huge background counts that manifest as rocky outcroppings over the chasm. This is mentioned in 4e as the home of the 'deep metaplanes', the places that you need a guidance spirit to get into.

On the other side is the end of everything. Horrors can only cross in high mana environments, but can survive in lower level ones. During an 800 year period around the peak of the mana cycle they all come storming across and manifest in the physical world. They eat the land, the plants, everything. And that's the low end ones. They feed on negative human emotion, corrupt others, etc. They have a variety of powers, from burying a mark in your aura so they can torment you from thousands of miles away to reshaping your body, mind and soul. One is burr-sized and named Tempter, for example. It offers you karma - Edge, sort of - if you just ask it. And you will, because it'll manufacture situations to make you ask. And as you accept, you find yourself changing and transforming. Eventually you become a twisted, bestial lump of flesh that exists only to kill and exalt its master - who has by now flown on to a new victim. Nemesis gives you lore on the weaknesses of other horrors, with each bit of information taken corrupting you further. Bone Crown takes rulership of kingdoms. Nebis was an infectious meme who'd make you tattoo yourself - and then manifest by stealing the tattooed body parts. Gifter was the MC from Needful Things. Chantrel's horror kept her alive and in perfect health - but flensed anyone who helped her alive. And she was just so pitiful you couldn't help but want to. That sort of thing.

>>52057042
>High Magic (4e book that sadly got canned due to the money shenanigans of the company but tne notes for it got shared online).
Where would these notes be?

>>52057419
The run itself was actually the team playing bodyguards for European aristocrats during the Grand Tour.
During part of the run there was a huge elaborate rooftop mansion party in Rhine-Rhur where while guarding they got to see the dignitaries and some famous faces being announced as they came in.

Lofwyr himself attended in his human form (it was secretly his party and a part of his extended schemes the team later found out) and as he came down the steps into the rooftop gardens everyone was impressed and in awe.
Then out of fucking nowhere a T-Bird sonic boomed overhead literally in the middle of Lofwyr getting attention and being greeted and JOHNNY SPINRAD wingsuits out of it to dramatically land in front of the party as his grand enterence, completely ruining Lofwyr's moment.
It was actually scene that got my players laughing as I describe Lofwyr standing there fuming over what was the wealthiest and one of the most powerful beings on the planet totally snubbed in favor of an elaborate Tony Stark entrance stunt.

>>52057298

Oddly enough, some snowflake isn't a terrible idea for an infected runner. Just make the visible snowflake not 'Is a vampire'. One of my favourite vampire PCs I've seen played was a Mage who went out of her way to look 200% witch (Pointed hat and everything), a half face respirator on runs and wore makeup to hide any signs of being a vampire day-to-day.

People don't shoot the mage with sunbeam rays and wooden stakes. They shoot them with normal bullets. Misdirection away from what you actually want to hide.

Less dramatic options also work. Get yourself a horrible fake tan or something else with plenty of stuff to help distract from the 'Pale guy with fangs' issue.

>>52057438
Got carried away, but those are just some of the named horrors. There are more, and they're worse. And lesser ones, too. They had artefacts that transformed you into twisted beasts, etc. That 800 year period is called the scourge. During that time, most of metahumanity was curled up in magical bomb shelters called kaers. Or in cities surrounded by domes of true elements. And once, in a forest that turned out to be a huge mistake. When they opened up, the land was barren and twisted. And the horrors, mostly, were still there. Astral space had a standard background count of something like 15, because that's just what they do by existing. So they set out to warp and twist people, and turn them and the world into their horrid reflection so they could feed. They'd offer literally anything to their chosen slaves, and could raise them from the dead if they so desired. The Horrors book is one of the easier ones to find, so download it. Is great.

About a hundred years before they were due to appear, the Invae, insectoid spirits from another plane would cross over into ours. Sound familiar?

>>52057451
Who is Johnny Spinrad and what is his deal? New to the setting. Is he like a powerful mage or something?

>>52057496

Nope. JOHHNY SPINRAD is the head of a megacorp. He also loathes Lorfwyr because Lorfy ruined the lives of several friends of his iirc.

He's dedicated his life to trolling the big snake and does a pretty good job of causing him headaches. He's more or less 'This is what edge 9 human looks like'.

>>52057496
He's a mundane who managed to build an AA corporation and hates Lofwyr. Keeps surviving assassination attempts. Billionaire playboy. Think tony stark, if instead of building an ironman suit, he got drunk and fucked 40 supermodels in a marathon one man gangbang - at least half of whom are secreting some sort of toxin because Lofwyr.

In one adventure, he hires the players to kidnap him as an audition to see if they'll do well as his temporary bodyguards. The rest of that adventure involves wing suiting out of planes to drop kick terrorists because he doesn't want to wait to land the plane and other assorted 'adventures'.

>>52057496
He was a mage, but he almost died in a very severe accident and had to be rebuild with cybernetics; now he's a burn-out.

>>52057496
He's the owner of an AA megacorp specializing in high-end designer cybernetics and he's got this in-universe ridiculous rockstar persona.
Lofwyr is highly implied to have arranged for his parents to die in a car crash to get ahold of their stocks to partially form Saeder-Krupp years ago, and Johnny himself has basically spent much of his life devoted to trolling Lofwyr and ruining his schemes wherever he could because he knows he can't actually kill the GD.
Thing is, he's actually pretty good at it. Saeder-Krupp has tried to kill him over and over again and they never manage it, while Spinrad just makes money and spends time thinking up ways to troll Lofwyr, as if simply existing when Lofwyr wants him personally dead wasn't a troll enough.

>>52057522
>In one adventure, he hires the players to kidnap him as an audition to see if they'll do well as his temporary bodyguards. The rest of that adventure involves wing suiting out of planes to drop kick terrorists because he doesn't want to wait to land the plane and other assorted 'adventures'.

This guy sounds awesome to work for.

>>52057545
Oh yeah. Let me find the book. That adventure also pays something like 300k for a few days work and rewards player creativity with the GM being told to give them a 'dream item' each if they impress Herr Spinrad.

>Naughty Girl (P-Fix 2)
>These P-Fixes are actually quite tame, being sold through assorted “romance companies” as a bit of bedroom spice for long-married couples. It allows fantasy play while not involving another real person, giving new life for a relationship. Most include costumes and props bundled with them, with such themes as schoolgirl, schoolteacher, cheerleader, dominatrix, and so on. There are also XPF sims available that include language software and activesofts, providing an entire new set of professional quality moves for use in love. There is also a Naughty Boy line, but it does not sell as well.

Well, then.
GJ, Horizon.

>>52057519
>He's more or less 'This is what edge 9 human looks like'.
His stats give him pretty much peak legal human stats because he's got so much high-end cybernetics in him that he's well into the superhuman range.
I can't remember what his Edge score was, but I imagine it was pretty high.

His Lifestyle probably has the Neighborhood rating at "ON THE EDGE". That's how much Edge JOHNNY SPINRAD has.

>>52057554
>the GM being told to give them a 'dream item' each if they impress Herr Spinrad.

Like Santa Claus.

>>52057598

As was said: He's a lot like Tony Stark. He's very free with money rather than being a miser.

Mind you, I'm pretty sure lorfy sends at least 3 ghosts to kill him each christmas.

>>52057598
Santa's real, he's just a really powerful free spirit with that power that creates 10k nuyen in wealth a month... right?

>>52057598
>KSAF News: "In our top story tonight, the new Saeder-Krupp-sponsored software update for most cyberdeck operating systems has recently been released to excellent sales and wide acclaim. We go now to an S-K spokesperson who....wait no! We have a new story interrupting the feed! Johnny Spinrad has just announced that this year he has officially invented a real life Santa Claus!! And that everyone who gets visited by him is getting a FREE CAR! And that EVERYONE is getting visited by him!"

>Meanwhile, in Germany
>Lofwyr: "I fucking hate that guy."

>>52057636
What does a dragon doing a spit take look like

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Behold a cancerous spinrad crop. Second box is from an adventure plot point a little further on from the party, and the second one is the ending of the adventure a plot point after that. He's mentioned more in 4e than 5e, but even there he's bloody nuts.

>>52057636
The car probably features a nanite hive full of cutters that periodically belches them out to etch pictures of Lofwyr and Alamais banging each other on S-K products.

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>>52057651
Someone needs to do a caption for this that's an edit of image related.

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>>52057662
>"Why are they sucking each other off?"

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So JoJo memes aside, would he make a good bbeg for a campaign?

>>52057636
>Lofwyr: "GODDAMMIT, GO SEND A HIT SQUAD AFTER HIM! NO, ANY HIT SQUAD, I DON'T CARE WITCH!"
>A Month Later
>Hit Squad confirmed KIA, bodies recovered.
>One corpse has a commlink with a golden ribbon on it and a tiny card with the name "Loffy".
>After being throughly scanned, it is deemed harmless and delivered to Lofwyr at Saeder-Krupp headquarters.
>Lofwyr unties the bow. Activates the commlink. Immediately a text message pops up on it from user "SP1NRADIKAL".
>"Dunklezhan was better."

So from the elf tacticool thread, what skills would you pick for an elf designated marksman.
I'm thinking Perception, Outdoorsman, Athletics, Sneak, Hardware or Lockpicking, Longarms, Pistols, Etiquette, with a few spare dots in a melee, a pilot, and a fluff skill (and/or first aid).

>>52054736
>expecting the writers to know what the fuck they're writing about in their fluff

>>52057831
An autopicker will save karma on locksmith. Go with hardware and rely on electronics to do your lockbreaking for you.

>>52057720
Maybe that's why the SK grid has Dunkelzahn on the globe instead of Lofwyr - Spinrad did it.

Reminder that most of the products and services that a shadowrunner can buy are bought and widely used by normal people in the Sixth World.
Too often, especially the newer editions of SR end up feeling like 2017 with magic and cybernetics, because the setting has been made more "identifiable" for newer players and thus lost a lot of roleplaying potential.
All too often, it seems like shadowrunners are considered to exist in a vacuum where the megacorps only offer their products to them, and the rest of humanity just plods about and buys none of the freaky and dangerous shit that the corps sell (while earlier editions show that instead of a corp-drone society, the Sixth Age's zeitgeist is instead hyper-consumerist and thrill-seeking, all about making yourself look and act like the beautiful people and making money on it, which you then spend on megacorp stuff).
Biosculpting, cosmetic cybernetics, personafixes, smart drugs and BTLs are all bought and used by perfectly normal people, who use them to stand out and have fun in a society where the corporations have more or less managed to subvert shame and a half-dozen taboos on sexuality and self-advertisement because it helps them sell their products.
It just seems like a bloody waste to have shadowrunners be the only people who use the Sixth World's products for anything, leaving the setting full of plot holes and bland crowds while even the runners only use them for min-maxed utility.
One of the cornerstones of cyberpunk is that everything can be bought and sold, and that society is getting twisted by that. I understand that it can be hard to explain to a group of 5e players that the setting isn't our world with more powerful tablets, but once in a while the society of the setting deserves some love.
It might also have to do with the hysterical witch hunt on "magical realm", since sexual taboos in the Sixth World are explicitly much looser and people regularly receive biosculpting to match their own preferences.

>>52058297
>earlier editions
How early are we talking? Pre-CGL/4e? Pre-FanPro/3e?

>>52058308
Pre-4e.
FanPro had Year of the Comet, which while stupid in a lot of other ways, at least went into depth on how SURGE impacted pop culture.
CGL is a board game company. Putting their hands on bunraku parlors, VR porn, biosculpting and the generally brazen and boundary-breaking Sixth Age zeitgeist is too much for a company that's previously mainly made tie-in board games, but they did it anyway. Game-wise, it's a matter of preference, but it's hard to deny that the setting has been made less potentially offensive to thin-skinned Twitter users, more like the modern day and less conventionally cyberpunk.
The megacorps, too, seem like they're floating in the void. Most of them have no immediately obvious civilian customer base for their main lines of products, because the idea of civilians buying cybernetics, biosculpting treatments and personafixes for fun and recreation is too different from the modern day for new players to immediately pick up and run with.
Once in a while, I catch myself wanting to GM a game where that kind of obsessive self-presentation and commoditization of everything about the human condition is actually a central theme. Capitalism is the cornerstone of Shadowrun, and it's a waste that it only shows up in metaplot as an excuse for why a megacorp is doing something evil again.
I have seen very few runners who actually have a setting-appropriate list of purchases (hobby, vanity and entertainment technology and treatments, shame be damned) instead of a checklist of items that give that extra +1.

>>52058413
That sort of shit shows up in CP2020 too, doesn't it? A lot of people rag on Chromebook 2 for the full-body conversions, but those being in a catalog being sold to relatively ordinary people is cyberpunk as all fuck.

>>52058413
Where do sleep regulators fall for you?
They are mandatory for me on all characters because HOLY SHIT YOU DON'T HAVE TO SLEEP AS MUCH.
Imagine how much better your life could be if you needed half the sleep!

>>52058479
I'm sure I've seen them in a sidebar about being 'corpware' - stuff drones like to buy for extra productiveness.

>>52058449
People rag on it because they're afraid of "magical realm", but what matters is what people would actually do if they had access to that kind of technology.
Come on, tell me that every furry in the world wouldn't start saving up. It's more interesting to tell the story of the people who got the conversions, no matter how pitiful they are (or especially if they're pitiful - honestly delusional, misguided or fixated characters are rare) than to decide that furries would enjoy it and thus you can't.
>>52058479
The fluff-crunch gap with those is ridiculous. The economy and culture of the Sixth World would be almost alien to us if they were as common in-universe as the prices and availability imply. Three-four hours extra in every day is a fuck of a lot, and there would be no way corp drones wouldn't be forced to get the implant because of how much easier it makes it to overwork people.

>>52058479
>>52058516
One word: datajack. That little brains-machine interface makes the average human so much more efficient by having them think commands at the machine directly instead of inputting them through an interface. It's the kind of 'ware that is so useful everyone would get one implanted at birth.

>>52058541
Unless you had a series of events traumatic to the collective unconsciousness of society happen over and over again.

Then people would probably, uh, be a bit iffier about it.

>>52058563
TODAYS DATAJACK IS SLEEKER, SAFER, AND 97% MORE EFFECTIVE CITIZEN.

IT IS ALSO 100% MANDATORY UNDER YOUR CONTRACT WITH ARES.

SO THIS IS NICE AND ALL BUT GET ON THE FUCKING TABLE

>>52058541
Yeah no. At this point I'd expect society at large to go full luddite with how hard they keep trying to shove in apocalyptic threats that just so happen to hurt 'ware the most.

>>52057703
A dude that prefers to be a wage slave and wants no one to know about him?
Shadowrunners will either force him into alliance or just forget about some weirdo with explosives.

Diavolo will work better.

>>52058563
You're underestimating humanity's curiosity, pleasure-seeking and self-confidence (some would say hubris).
There's no case as of yet in which the world at large has completely discontinued using a major new technology just because of some scandal or scare. The Great Worm didn't keep people from using computers, the rise of cybercrime didn't, the start of Internet-aided terrorism didn't and the use of the Internet to sell drugs and distribute child porn didn't - and now imagine a world in which the governments are effectively controlled by the ISPs.
At most, the people who actually boycott datajacks, simflicks and chips would be a group roughly the size of the Amish, only larger in countries where buying one isn't a casual transaction and there's thus less pressure to get one.

>>52058601
Trodes.

But that sales pitch is worthy of that versio nof Death who has a sack and exactly zero time to waste.

>>52058610
Meh, datajacks are pretty much proven technology by the 2070's. The only in-universe reason not to get one is not wanting to shred your essence; and for the Awakened there are 'trodes.

>>52058643
Internal nanotech has been completely curtailed, there's a japanacorp going back to drones instead of using nanite construction and people don't even like buying the stuff for vehicles despite the marketing according to R5.

>>52058667
>Internal nanotech has been completely curtailed
Pity the whole plot was retarded, relied on magic nanomachine style nanites, and that without some sort of functional nanotechnology cyber and bioware would more or less be dead in the water.

But I know I'm thinking about realistic concerns in a game about dragon CEOs.

Hey guys.
Is it a good idea to give my players a choice of four or five johnsons at their fixer?
I want them to be able to pick jobs they want,but I don't want to have to spend forever contacting every johnson.

>>52058708
Yeah, well, the entire plot line has been pretty retarded for most of 5e. Doesn't mean we're not stuck with it. If you're interested, crack datatrails. It gets into a lot of access methods and reasoning, if I remember.

>>52058667
That just goes to show that CGL has a grudge against cybernetics and doesn't know how society works.
News at 11.
Another one of my pet peeves is the faction of players who will gladly houserule game mechanics, but who seem to be completely alienated at the thought that you can change lore and fluff as long as you think out the logical consequences.
If something that obviously retarded is written in a book, you ignore it. It's literally the exact same as the Internet being used to coordinate a series of major terrorist attacks using identity theft, social engineering and impersonation, and society then quitting the Internet forever and ever.
The nanotech plot was a way to tie even technology into magic, hobble cybernetics-based characters and turn everyone into mysads, physads and min-maxed human edgelords, because CGL doesn't want to make Shadowrun, but instead "gender-ambiguous cat-eared technomancers and pixie riggers blowing up hundreds of buildings fighting against Evil American Ares without a single worry, and also everyone is special in their own little metavariant way".

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>>52058726
Oh, well, there you go. Went to see if I was right, opened the datajack section.
"nd access via a little cord they spool into the ’jack. In the
corporate world, datajacks are almost as common as
eyeballs—that’s to say, everyone has them. Most corps
offer an incentive program for workers to get a datajack
to increase productivity. That’s if the parental incentive
to get your child wired with a datajack to help in their
education and safety didn’t already get them jacked up."

And yet other plays you see how glasses and AR nails are the standard method of access. Meh.

>>52058708
Cyberware existed in SR before nanites came up. The corps might have to fall back on a the previous generation of tech, but that would only impact the latest advances. Old workhorses like a 'jack or cybereyes wouldn't be affected much (Yeah, sure, prices would rise, duh! But any excuse is good for that.)

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>>52057703
As >>52058613
points out, Runners are very seldom heroes. In fact, if he's offering money or bomb-ass magic powers, Runners are more likely to work FOR Kira tying up loose ends so he can live his quiet life occasionally murdering women with pretty hands.

Fuck, as long as he keeps his hobbies to SINless women exclusively, it's not illegal.

Best way to do it would be to have the Runners hired to find and bring to justice a serial killer. Maybe they're hired by a bereaved relative or friend.

Maybe they're hired by the ghost of one of the Victims themselves, ala that one official adventure module with the dead music star.

>>52058708
In my opinion, Cyber/Bio should 'secretly' run off the bodies internal magic/mana, hence why 'ware reduces your essence and why more spiritual types fucking hate it - it's literally powered by your soul. It's the only way to explain what runs this shit, and goes a long way to explain the psychosis.

Of course this would necessitate a slight change in how 'ware works, in that you get Ess back after removing an implant, rather than a hole. I don't see any issues with this DESU.

The only real problem is the Adept w/ Ware. But that exists regardless of Ess holes.

>>52058752
>Cyberware existed in SR before nanites came up.
Because they didn't need to be brought up. More importantly, nanites as in nanomachines were always a retarded addition; nanotech being an entirely background thing that allows these ridiculous feats of surgery was fine without having to bring in "nanomachines, son" just so the devs could take them away to please the grogs.

>>52058762
The mana used by the removed implant is wrapped up in the aura and walled off, tainted, like a cyst in the body. The revitalisation treatment breaks down that cyst.

If nothing else, CFD gave them a way to step back from going full nova praxis.

>>52058752
You're missing the point.
The existence of functional nanotechnology is literally required for any kind of cybernetics beyond exoskeletons or peg legs to function, as otherwise power supply, wear and tear and rejection syndromes would make them unviable.
Cybernetic limbs aren't that simple, and CGL's ass-pull opens up a huge hole in the setting.

>>52058743
Glasses and AR nails are great for access and compliment Datajacks well. What Datajacks do is allow you to literally translate thought into computer commands. Especially if you know how to 'think' computer, like an autistic decker might.

If I'm up aganist a decker as a decker, whats the best thing to do? Try and format their cyberdeck? Spike them with biofeedback?

>>52058789
Yeah, I know. But glasses/ar nails are entirely replaced by a datajack. PLug your commlink in and you've got direct access to the world.

Would eye implants, for instance an implanted smartlink, work with Hawk Eye?

>>52058810
If shooting them in the fucking face is out, check. If they've got a team, they'll be running cybersecurity for their crew. Get some marks on his deck anyway you can and fuck his mates over.
>>52058812
Huh. Actually, it looks like I might be wrong. I'm sure I've seen a reference to that somewher,e but I'll be fucked if I can find it. Maybe you do still need 'em.

>>52058810
>whats the best thing to do
Make every phone in the area receive calls and spam. Watch as the enemy decker goes down from noise. Oh oops, all our gear is fried too because 5e was written by morons.

j/k, by RAW your gear is fried just from walking about in the city

>>52058762
>In my opinion
You'd have to rewrite the entire setting for the sake of your opinion.
Technology running off magic is explicitly completely and utterly impossible, and most Big Ten companies are working on some way to combine the two.
It does seem like something that would make it into the game eventually, though, because it just seems so CGL. The whole metaplot is retconned so that technology was magic all along, metahumanity never invented anything that's not tied into magic and non-Awakened characters were objectively on the losing side.
>It's the only way to explain what runs this shit
Bioelectricity and energy recycling, combined with extremely effectivized battery technology. We can even almost do it nowadays, so there's no fucking reason that it shouldn't be possible in SR.

>>52058856
>We can even almost do it nowadays
CITATION NECESSITATED

>>52058880
>We're almost there
>Just 20 more years
>t. Ray Kurzweil

Friendly reminder that even though Shadowrun has super-efficient solar power and literal magic that can clean air and water, somehow there is still pollution.

OrkCEO is some writer's mouthpiece for "Fuck off lefties, REEE" and I love him.

>>52058889
I don't understand how pollution can exist.
Carbon is valuable.

>>52058717
sure, that's what the fixer 's for.
The Johnson contacts the fixer telling about an offer for a run with these specifications and this pay
The Fixer then looks through his teams and decides which of them are capable for the run, both in terms of make-up (you don't send a sammy only team on an data steal) and power (you don't let newbs run against Aztech, and you don't give a prime runner team a job to survey an unimportant target)
He then contacts the teams with the offer and arranges the meets with the johnson

So yeah, your fixes should, when spoken to, give them a list of possible jobs with a short description, pay expected and date

>>52058894
>a token minority happens to hold the party line due to being part of the capitalist class, in the process continuing the process by which neoliberal capitalist diversifies the top as a way of placating the less radical part of the working class
Class consciousness is a hell of a thing.

>>52058910
>(you don't send a sammy only team on an data steal)
"How do we get the data out of the computer?"
"Hack it with our swords!"

And that's how the fixer got two sacks of shredded computer parts delivered to him. Or ifthis was 4e, they'd just have loaded their fairlights with a pile of agents and let them do the hacking.

>>52058917
>Butch: Fuck your beauty standards. The goblins of the world
shouldn’t need to be ashamed of what they are.
>OrkCE0:Why should you be proud of what you were born as?
You had no choice in the matter, after all. It’s as ludicrous
as hating someone based on how much pigment’s in
their skin. Better by far to judge someone based on their
character, and quite frankly, someone who isn’t willing
to clean up and adopt a professional persona in favor
of “keepin’ it real” is, in my view, ignorant. Choose a
superior path, get a superior result, or choose failure and fail. Either way, it's your call, not an aspect of birth.

>>52058945
>I did it all by myself, am a great man, the world around me doesn't exist
God that's even more disgustingly servile than I expected.

The myth of social mobility is really funny because orkceo is basically representative of a fucking statistical error and proud of it.

>>52058880
It's not even that hard to prove completely objectively.
If you look at how much battery life we can have in a battery the size of a matchbox today, imagine how much battery life there could be in the about three batteries of that size that would be used for a cyberarm in the Sixth Age.
Energy storage technology is the least of our problems when it comes to developing commercial cybernetics. The biggest one is a human problem - NGOs, religious organizations, political groups and knee-jerking soccer moms are all pushing against the human quality of life being made better, because it terrifies them to think of a world in which other people can benefit from being allowed to have their own opinions.

>>52055970
>>52055985
>>52056140
It's straight-up in the more recent books (Sprawl Box had a decent section on it) that HMHVV's going through a large-scale mutation again, possibly because of higher mana levels, making Infected more magical (which has both positives and negatives, because they're more powerful but also more hungry).

>>52058996
Yes, we know. And the cause of that mutation is Pat, a freelancer who fucking hates anything that isn't the blackest of black trenchcoat - but especially the infected.

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>>52058971
Even if what you said was true - which it isn't - all of these groups are just mouth pieces who have been told what to think and feel.

The thing between us and anything is the same as it has ever been - profitability.

In any case there is far more to cybernetics than LMAO slap on some metal bitz. We've come a long way, but we have no reliable model to suggest advancement will continue at any consistent pace, energy storage is a HUGE problem, and your complaints about political groups would make more sense if we were referencing biology like stem cells and cloning and not cybernetics which besides woogie boogies in third world countries and stupid fringe religious groups, no one is against.

>>52058963
Sure. But look at it from his perspective. You've got Butch going full blown Sons of Sauron, people like Clockwork scraping a living, one of thworld's better hackers managing to be an unofficial leader of a pack of underground deviants.. and then there's him. He just sucked it up, did his thing and now he's a successful quasi-legitimate business man.

Also I fucking hate "beautiful the way you are".

>>52059010
HMHVV has *always* been an awakened virus. It is directly tied to ambient mana levels.

Now, arguing that Pats hateboner for pink-mohawk is the origin point for it getting WORSE with higher mana, not better, might be legitimate. But can you argue a reason it wouldn't?

>>52059057
Sure. It's a virus. It manifested and performed a number of functions way out of proportion for the current manafield, imbuing people with the knowledge to use powers others have no potential for, even other Awakened, violating a few laws of magic along the way. If it was going to get 'stronger', it'd get stronger in the same way that Chernobyl exploded.

>>52059035
>Look, everyone can be part of the capitalist class
Also you're conflating having a semblance of pride in yourself that orks mostly lack with the fat acceptance movement, which is incredibly retarded.

(And fat acceptance isn't a fucking lefty thing, it's an internet landwhale thing)

>>52059027
Energy storage is a field of technology which constantly develops and has room to do so, because it's needed all across the world in almost any industry, and no one can complain about it. It's a problem now, of course, but it at least has room to grow.
I actually participated in an arrangement at a national science center (basically a theme exhibition on the potential of human augmentation, where LARPers played in-universe characters at a cybernetics debate convention in the future, and guests made their own decisions) a few years ago.
Hundreds of tourists, natives and school groups, of every nationality, age and gender, passed by and threw their lots in different votes, and the end total was overwhelmingly opposed to human augmentation, feeling that it should be made blanket-illegal.
Cybernetics aren't simple, that's true. The technological building blocks like polymers and batteries just have a lot more room for development and innovation than the legal, medical and psychiatric aspects of introducing them, which are constantly held up by NGO upon NGO that fears that rich people will have their kids kitted out with cybernetic limbs, muscle splices and memory chips from birth and have them create an übermensch race that will dominate the Earth.

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>>52059097
>>52059057
>>52059010
>>52058996
Related

>>52059105
Are you saying that internet landwhales and their derivative kin aren't busy hijacking big chunks of the left right now?

Not everyone can be successful, because not everyone is equal. And yeah, in the 6th world it's going to require someone special to move up. But it's not the most uncommon thing, the books are filled with people moving up and being cast down all the time. Not that the capitalist class really exists in the sixth world in the sense it did back in the beginning, or even today.

And he clearly has pride in himself anyway.

>>52059129
Heh. If the virus was getting stronger from its early introduction in the sixth world, you'd see ultravampires turning into moving patches of darkness and sanguine singularities. or just Alucard, I guess.

>>52059130
>Are you saying that internet landwhales and their derivative kin aren't busy hijacking big chunks of the left right now?
Yes. I'm saying you're essentially projecting your real world politics based on a statistically insignificant piece of internet lore that nobody gives a shit about for the most part. Tumblr isn't fucking hijacking anything, it's an internet board for people with too much time on their hands and not enough political engagement in the real world to roleplay this shit and post cute pics.

>He clearly has pride in himself
He has pride in a mirage.

>>52059161
Alright mate. I'm going to have to get some photos of the idiots on the street corner in the morning in case this comes up again. Or the magazine stand at the newsagency.

>>52059161
What, he's not a real person because he's not going full goblin rock, rah rah rah? He's a fake because he doesn't define himself by what's expected of his race?

I don't know why these posts separated.

>>52059149
And so we come back to the Vampiric Ubermenschen villain idea
>>52056724

>>52059183
>the left is hijacked by a statistically insignificant symptom of neoliberalism, behold my anecdotes.

>>52059191
His pride is in the mirage that capitalism with a human face is actually possible and will somehow not end up with masses of downtrodden. I'm not saying he's not a real person, autist.

>>52059161
>What is mainstream media that got highjacked by the left
>What is internet journalism having an excessive focus on the left
>What is the fear and outrage culture that's fueled by the left and their bullshit
>What is that people viewed this as enough of an issue/it was profitable enough in our current culture to dominate the media for the last few months
>What is the left being used to obfuscate actual issues because the outrage generated by them is more interesting to people than actual issues, like all the incredibly shady trade deals that've got passed

>>52059193
That wasn't even an anecdote, just a post saying that I'd need to get photos and to serve as a conclusion. You've made up your mind, you're not really interested in anything but "This is right and you are wrong because you don't agree with me". Physical evidence probably won't change your mind, but it'd be nice to have and it lets me close it out without turning the thread into a giant shitslinging match.
>>52059204
You and I are having two different conversations. He's having pride in what he achieved, and himself for being the person who achieved that against the odds. You're saying that he's claiming to be some sort of Randian hero figure.

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>>52057537
This. He's not just a crazy playboy, that's just a personality. People forget he's actually like 80 years old, he is just packed full of bleeding-edge 'ware, symbionts and genetic treatments.

Read Cutting Aces to get a feel for what he's doing right now; basically he's shelving some of his extravagant parts of his persona in a bid for Spinrad Industries to take over the Middle East by merging with Desert Storm and being best friends with the Caliph, and making a play for the Villier's golden ticket.

You don't run a AA corp and keep it from being swallowed up by the AAA's for 50 years without being a masterful businessman.

>>52059161
Have you been looking at the world recently?
The third-wave feminist movement has a very real impact on a huge amount of political issues nowadays and is even changing legislation regarding the special rights of women/minorities/the mentally ill, the rules and subjects of Ivy League universities, the handling of the Syrian immigrant crisis and the legally enforced hiring policies of workplaces all over the world.
This is the age of social media. Squealing "it's only the Internet, everything on the Internet is a lie" isn't going to help. Facebook has proved that a site with no real ideological common points can get people to believe in all kinds of fake news, and even donate huge amounts to a campaign made to stop a warlord who died years ago.
Now imagine how quickly opinions like this spread, and how badly they're fact-checked, on a site that has a much more devoted userbase with a narrow demographic spread and a similar spread of political opinions. Now give it a tag system that allows people to see nothing but what they want and all of it in one place.
What is it that's in the way of you admitting that a political movement gained power through social media? Is it because you're desperately protecting the last little chance you have of getting laid by hoping to butter up to the Tumblr World Order?

>>52059235
Not to mention retaining his independence under ANOTHER great dragon. Until Lofwyr murdered that great dragon's face off, anyway.

What is shadowrun

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>>52058667
>>52058708
>>52058739
They are still making some nanoware, and there's attempts to bring it back in a safer form. It's just that right now, literally right now, it's being used to take over people's minds.

It's like the major terrorist attacks are still going on, and are targeting people who log into their Facebook accounts. Eventually the problem will be dealt with and you can go back to fb, but for the moment you're not a complete retard so you'll use something else for a couple years until the terrorists blast off to Alpha Centauri.

>>52059237

>and how badly they're fact-checked

Mediawatch in Aus had an entire episode about that. Mostly just how easy it is for everyone to get the 'news' they like regardless of truth and how bad facebook's automated system is at actually not spreading it as Real News.

But then, Mediawatch has also been fact checking the news for well over a two decades at this point so it's not surprising they'd be offended.

>>52059312
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4wj3z45314

>>52059312
William Gibson's early works having sex with Tolkien, and then evolving into CURRENT POPCULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY (+50 years with author speculation)

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>>52058909
Because there's easier ways to get carbon than trying to scoop it out of the air, and pollution if often the most economic method of doing something.

Easier to try and fix it with cotton candy grass than change your habits.

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>>52059035
>Also I fucking hate "beautiful the way you are".

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>>52059208
>>What is the fear and outrage culture that's fueled by the left and their bullshit

>Trump's whole platform wasn't based on fear

Everyone's using fear these days, optimism is dead. But I understand, you're an alt-right baby who needs to label everything he hates as part of the ambiguously defined but all-encompassing 'left', so you don't need to switch brushes when tarring.

So besides Tailored Pheromones and nice suits, what are some things a mundane can do/buy/have /have implanted to get an edge in a social situation?

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>>52059454
Cutting Aces has a bunch of stuff for you to look at.

>>52059426
Trump's platform was based on disillusionment with politics more so than fear. In fact, the most distinct part about the Trump campaign is that it doesn't use the same kind of fear-mongering as the left wing does, in which there's always some new micro-aggression you're a double rapist if you accidentally commit by talking to a minority (or alternately not talking to them).
Instead of fabricating things to freak out over, Trump's campaign ran on familiar enemies. The beaners-towelheads-and-Commies trio is a staple stretching back to the 80's and even further if you take out the Muslims.
Trump's campaign was all about making people feel comfortable. It was about making them feel that the questions were simple, the answers were simpler and that anyone who disagreed was intentionally selling out America.
It partially operated on fear, but that was indirect - it targeted the people who were afraid of admitting they were wrong, uneducated or just selfish. Trump managed to win because no one's scared of the Mexicans anymore, and everyone could agree to gang up on them.
The Tumblr left wing uses guilt, fear (of committing or enabling crime) and condemnation to accomplish its goals. The alt-right uses posturing, contrarianism and caricatured oversimplifications of politics.
I get that alt-right retards are becoming more common, but once in a while you need to know when not to bite.

>>52059696
>Trump's platform was based on disillusionment with politics more so than fear.
This, so much this. People are disolusioned and Trump, while a trained Chimp, is making good (or attempting to) make good on all of his promises in a blatant and grandstanding way, regardless of the consequences.

Also Hillary Clinton is an unelectable black hole, Sanders could've put up a better fight but someone has to fix the match.

>>52060025
But didn't you want to Pokemon Go GO to the polls for her, Chummer?

>>52060092
I voted for her but I felt filfthy and used afterwards.

Until the day of I planned to vote for Trump out of spite, but ultimately decided I wanted the ruthless conniving supervillain over the bad haircut grandstanding one.

I was actually kind of relieved when. She lost. It wasn't my fault anymore after that.

>>52054095
>>52054114
>>52054131
>>52054145
>>52054200
>>52054230
>>52054357
>>52054373
>>52054391

What about Aztechnology?

>>52060485
Fuck aztech

>>52060495
Aztech really aren't that terrible.

Do I have to tell you again to stop posting on imageboards, Peaches?

>>52060583
They could be worse. They could be Nestle

>>52060595
There's an ad campaign for you. Aztec priest atop a teocalli, tearing out the heart of a man and offering it to his dark god, screaming blasphemies. A portal opens and the end of the world begins. The ad fades to black, with the tagline popping up. "Aztechnology - we're still not Nestle.

>>52056279
>>52056295
Fair enough point for the dogs.

But what about gargoyles and spirits?

>>52060860
>not equipping your summoned spirits with their own comlink
Do you even try, chummer?

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>>52061687
>i've been shadowrunning wrong this whole time

If you get shot with a needle coated in NoPaint, do you feel it?

>>52062329
Speed is Immediate, meaning it will take effect at the end of the combat turn. You feel it for roughly 3 seconds.

>>52062378
Alright, so basically all poison is pointless then, because it's got enough of a time delay that you'd be better off just knocking them out with Gel Rounds.

>>52062399
yeah, there is no such thing as a instantaneous poison in SR
sorry, chummer

>>52062419
Theoretically speaking, you could enchant your needles as Alchemical Preparations to create an area of Noise powerful enough to jam all of their communications.

>>52062469
>using alchemy

You're funny anon.

>>52062399
Poison has its uses, especially because most are going to have a lower resistance pool for poisons than for gunshots.

You just need to have one of those targets in your sights when when using poison or chem rounds if you want to get the most out of it.

>>52062644
>Not houseruling Alchemy

>>52062730
What did you change?

>>52062821
Literally just make Alchemy be Spellcasting, but with triggers instead of on the spot. Tada. Preps last Potency x3 Hours, with Potency just being the hits on the test.

>>52062730
Instead, just use Advanced Alchemy. Nothing says fuck you like a temporarily uncurable, unresistable 2P every minute for ten to twenty minutes.

Or sixty or seventy minutes if the dose made for the super-chromed out target gets used on a much less worked on target.

Or give the target Regeneration for a bit, and hope that your formula has a potentially fatal negative to really ruin his day. Like the one where they take a little damage for any action they take that's not a First Aid one (to stop bleeding, I guess).

new thread please?

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Two questions.

First:

> Writing campaign.
> Players start out taking a job from Vory.
> Vory thinks they're trustworthy after first job, sends them to fake an attempt on up-and-coming rapper to increase publicity.
>If that goes well, players will be sent to rescue a girl from a Bunraku parlor and fuck up said parlor in process.
> If all has gone well up to this point, they will get sent on the big mission: 100,000 nuyen to go to the UniOil facility, kill three people, and steal data from an offline host.

As it stands, this sequence of missions seems alright. It introduces a new group of players to the game fairly well, starting with an easy, low-paying job, then gradually getting more difficult, yet more rewarding.

By the time they finish the UniOil run, they'll have a big chunk of change, and a good amount of karma. They won't be considered new runners anymore, so the jobs from here on out will be genuinely tough and high-stakes, allowing me to take the kid gloves off.

What this sequence of missions DOESN'T do is provide an interesting narrative conflict. It's all mechanical challenges here.

What can I do to spice things up in this regard? I was dabbling with an internal rivalry in the Vory, but the missions themselves lack the controversy needed to represent an internal power struggle.

I dabbled with reminding the players that if they get too cozy with the Vory, the other syndicates won't want to work with them, but somehow I doubt the other syndicates of Seattle would care about the Vory outsourcing their work to runners.

I dabbled with UniOil attempting to make a counter-offer to the players during the last run. UniOil used to be Big American Oil, and they don't want to lose what they have left to the Russian oilgarchs. But, I somehow think that this wouldn't even be a moral dilemma to the players. This being Shadowrun, the players are more likely to think of it as a logic problem than a moral one.

What do?

>>52063640
>100,000 nuyen to go to the UniOil facility, kill three people, and steal data from an offline host.
that seems a bit much

>>52063675

The payday? It's 100,000 nuyen total, not per person.

>>52063733
how tightly secured is the facility?
Because in my opinion a run paying 100000 total is endgame

>>52063777
or at least very high

>>52058613
Wouldn't King Crimson's ability be extremely lore rapey?
He erases time, that's bound to not be healthy for the timeline (however that works)

>>52063777
>>52063792
It doesn't only depend on notions of "endgame" and what the acceptable pay for different "levels" of jobs are.
If his group is for example full of riggers, deckers and street sams, it'd be an asshole move to give 10.000 nuyen for a mission because it's what's recommended.
A good benchmark for the payday for a run would be enough nuyen for each character to buy themselves either a permanent investment (cyberware, a focus, a lodge, a cyberdeck) or a fair amount of single-use conveniences (medkits, grenades, ammunition, other things players might think up) and still have a little bit of space left over so that the group as a unit can skim some off the top too.
If a large amount of characters in the group don't care about money, high-karma low-nuyen runs or ones with a reward in the form of contacts or job opportunities are ideal (and magic-heavy groups are more likely to get jobs like that too).
If you want to create a sense of character progression without flooding the characters in money, let them shop for fluff, for example clothes and weapon customization - a lot of players can have a blast just with that.
A surprising amount of jobs have the reward in cash that runners usually end up using to just backstab the Johnson or run against him on a later date. It seems more natural that megacorps would offer services or goods (Renraku offers drones, Shiawase a shop-amok in the biosculpting clinic, Ares their new gun or armor system), and that criminals would offer drugs, BTLs or vehicles.
If you hire a bunch of criminals without fast allegiances, you wouldn't want to give them money in case they turn against you or spend it with your enemies.

>>52063818
I think that magic that messes with time is a no go in Shadowrun. Certainly magic that enables time travel and such is.

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