/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

It's not just the High Lords, the whole galaxy wants you dead. You'll have to join up with Jaghatai, build those legions of yours one more time. First we'll need to save Jaghatai, he's in the Webway. You're a Legend in the eyes of those who fought in the Great Crusade. That's why you have to handle this mission yourself, that's how Jaghatai would want it. The Webway is a big place, I expect you to become quite familiar with those artifacts as you plan your next move. How and where you make it, well, that's up to you. Now go! Let the Legend come back to life!

>>52004401
He's there just now since it was being discussed, wouldn't be there normally.

>>52004414

Praise Be to Scanon and Archivebro! Thanks guys.

>>52004425

The way that works, is on"Average" for this he will rez with a single wound. Then as it's his turn, he charges, taking Overwatch fire. If he doesn't go down to that, which is likely, he will probably win. So yeah, Scoria has a little over a 50% win chance, since half the time he'll win, and half the time he still has a very slim chance.

So yeah, Scoria wins the maths competition, tableside it's dependent on whether you want a duellist, a buffer, a psyker, a Distraction Carnifex, et cetera.

>>52004433

Well, sadly that does not give your favourite dude Hatred (Top 5) so that's how it stands. I play Ordo Reductor, we don't even get to play Herohammer.

>>52004527
This is not a 40k thread you numbskull.

>>52004545
Guilliman is a 30k character tho

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>>52004504
>http://www.mediafire.com/file/de3l5i29kn69n73/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_7_-_Inferno.pdf

Angelus scans when?

"Your favorite holovid... Cleopatra, Nefertari - psykers, wrongly executed... But their deaths served as a message to others: that ours is an imperium that murders the innocent. Do you, too, believe that your sacrifice will change the galaxy?"

>>52004558

So it begins.

>>52004578
For the Imperium, Roboute?

Whatever happened to that saint lady Argel Tal was so taken with? Cyrene, or whatever her name was? She got grabbed by the Cabal, and then nothing.

As a tangent here, is it just me or do a lot of the cute girls get taken away by faceless men to unknown locations? It happened to Mersadie and Keeler, too.

And for those who care, here's an updated HH1: Betrayal with the missing page.

https://www.mediafire.com/?w18xkc6478jtlhx

>>52004619
rape

>>52004644
Can you next do Inferno with all the errors fixed?

Rogue Trader retinue played as Solar Auxilia: good idea?

>>52004672
What errors?

>>52004672
Not even FW could do that

>>52004674
Ya. Throw in MaWC allies as your hordes of peasants/archeotech mercenaries.

>>52004672
Funny thing is...if you gave me a real list of errors and what they need to be corrected to, I probably could. The layouts would be fucked but it'd have accurate information.

You too have known loss. And that loss torments you still. You hope hatred... might someday replace the pain. But it never goes away. It makes a primarch hideous inside and out. Wouldn't you agree? We both are daemons. Our humanity won't return. You. Me. We've no place to run, nowhere to hide.

>>52004656
That's your answer for everything.

>>52004705
Would those allies be any good as sanctioned xeno mercenaries?

>>52004644
Love you.

>>52004763
Doesn't mean it didn't happen

>>52004685
>Huscarl has option for Frost Weapons but there's only The Frost Blades
>Huscarl can have his own fist, pistols, etc., but has to buy his combi-bolter from the unit allowance
>what's Furious Assault?
>there's no way for an IC to take a frost axe
>what are the previous options mentioned in the Deathsworn options?
>should forge lord have access to 6 cyberwolves?
>is the SW 1 HQ per 1,000pts. a HQ "unit" or HQ "choice" because both words are used in the wording of the rule and they're not the same thing

Just off the top of my head.

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Juuuust about there on my BAC Contemptor. Feelin' pretty pretty pretty good.

Thanks Archive-Bro

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>>52004846
Also the tourists in a couple of background photos. And at least one person got a book with the wrong front inside cover (pic related).

Sekhmets probably aren't meant to be able to choose their psychic powers (as opposed to rolling for them).

>>52004889
Looking good indeed.

What happened to the second one/where did you get the second assault cannon?

>>52004889
Whats the red? seems an odd spot for blood

What would be the best way/unit to kill Russ?

>>52004928
vortex grenade

>>52004892
>open pdf
>go to random page
>word salad starts about halfway down before reverting to English
>next page has the tourists
I don't understand how they can put so much effort into the fluff and sometimes crunch, and then completely refuse to do elementary proofreading of anything. All you need to do is find an uninvolved intern, hand them the final draft, and ask what doesn't make sense. I don't feel comfortable supporting this company.

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>>52004928
Thats a job for a real wolf, leave that pupper to me!.

>>52004899
thanks! i bought another off of a bits seller on ebay when BAC came out. i magnetized them, but doubt ill ever use the fist or melta.

>>52004903
yeah its like a rust weathering powder from Vallejo. looks really matte in person.

>>52005055
>i magnetized them, but doubt ill ever use the fist or melta.
You won't

Well, maybe the fist, but the Leviathan beats out the Contemptor in melee.

>>52004615

No. For you.

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>>52004527
>tfw

Thank you very much, Mighty Scanon!
Your generosity is greatly appreciated!

>>52004928
Any shooting units/tactics people already use to put down rabid primarchs.

>>52004782
Sure. Their rules are pretty adaptable.

Whaddya think of using Kataphrons as stand-ins for Myrmidon Destructors?

I fucking love both models, but it's gonna be a while before I can shell out for some Myrmidons. Provided they're painted and such, would you be okay with the counts-as?

>>52005398
there were rumors that kataphrons would be showing up along with other admech stuff in later books, so at best it would be a stopgap measure, and could be considered WAAC depending on the playgroup (myrmidons are no joke)

>>52005865
>no joke

Well yeah, they get literal grav in 30k.

Personally I wanted to run them with one squad of Iraq Engines and another squad with thruster cannons, getting me one good squad for crunching MEQs and another for backfield support that can also punch their way out of a problem.

But yeah, playing them with a Cyber-Familiar/Abeyant/Machinator Array Archdominus is just about one of the cheapest literal death stars out there

>>52005398
I'd never want to play with the type of person who would have a problem with it.

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>>52005940
>Iraq Engines

SPREAD THE DOOM!

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>>52005940
>Iraq Engines
Allahu Ackbar!

>>52006009
>>52005988
>>52005940
Someone post the shitty ISIS technicals that look like feudal-world Earthshaker cannons.

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>>52005201
Saved. How did you make the text, good man?
>>52005940
>Iraq Engines
Kek. This is better than the Mexican bolters

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>>52006189

>>52006403

That's a Portee. First time one's been used since WWII.

>>52006402
>that pic
holy fuck it took me a while to understand it but goddamn that's good

Going through Inferno, always interested in the order in which Primarchs were discovered (according to FW).

Looks increasingly like the 820-850.M30 period is a major Primarch discovery period. 60% of the Primarchs found within the same 15% of the Great Crusade.

Russ appears to have been found about 820.M30. The Legion wasn't unleashed until almost the end of the first decade, and it was another dozen years before he was found.

Ferrus Manus was found a "handful of years" later, so about 825.M30.

Fulgrim has always been found at the same time, with Ferrus being first. So maybe 826.M30. I don't recall if FW mentioned their closeness in discovery, but I keep it.

Vulkan and Dorn (seventh found) are next, but we know Guilliman was found roughly by 833.M30.

Perturabo was found some time in the latter half of the 840's, just prior to Mortarion in the same decade. Both Primarchs were found after Magnus, Sanguinius and the Lion. Haven't gotten to the Thousand Sons yet, Magnus might be more specifically dated.

That's 12 Primarchs in 30 years. Compare to 1 Primarch in 20 years, or 3 Primarchs in 30 years. Or 901.M30-949.M30, years in which no Primarchs were discovered.

Part of me is disappointed. I always liked the idea of Russ being found quickly after Horus. Horus, the Emperor's truest son, being exclusively found at the Emperor's side. Russ being the first independent commander, but never one to be given command of his brothers.

I liked that idea for the opening decades of the Great Crusade, but now it seems that Horus's time as an only child lasted maybe 15-20 years, and it was a very short period after Russ was found that the majority of Primarchs were found.

Not that big of a deal though.

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>>52006189
Not the same, but it is what the far future of humanity probably looks like with advanced technology mixed into relatively primitive situations.

In Betrayer Lorgar wonders if Primarchs can even die and Angron mentions Ferrus. Shouldn't he already know that they can die if 2 and 11 were exterminated? Doesn't this confirm that the two destroyed legions did not have their Primarchs? How would it make sense otherwise.

>>52007229
Perhaps the lost Primarchs were not killed but just imprisoned or exiled.

>>52007247
That just raises further questions.

>>52007247

Or perhaps the II or XIth Primarch was gone, and the truth buried, before Lorgar or Angron was found.

One of them was found after them, but it's been said by the Powers That Be that every single Primarch had been found and reunited with their Legions. All of them.

>>52007360
>>52007247

Whoops, meant to respond to >>52007229

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Just saw this on the webstore, any idea if they're gone for good? I was planning on getting some soon

>>52007398
The mold probably broke, if it was gone for good then they would've taken the entire entry down.

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>>52007398
>>52007429
they've been moving kits over to the box/blister format from the old bags. I'd assume for better transport and less damage during shipping to cut related losses.

>>52007360
The
>never mention the lost legions
meme is the stupidest thing in 30k. It's ridiculous that they are never brought up. Angron will assault Terra itself but won't break his oath of silence?

>>52007612

No, the resistance against the idea is what's ridiculous. Who the fuck cares? Why do you think Angron didn't want to break his oath? More likely it just wasn't something said. Just like that campaign 67 years prior, or why Lorgar doesn't mention the Captain who led the 72nd Company from 870-895.M30.

Because it doesn't fucking come up. Who the fuck cares.

>>52007612
Do you talk about your dead great grand parents all the time? No one cares because it's not relevant.

>>52007689
How is it not relevant? None of the Primarchs were bothered that the Emperor wiped out their brothers? None of them were bothered by that enough to bring it up when they rebelled and were giving their Emperor sux speeches? The lost Primarchs are cryptically brought up numerous times so they haven't been forgotten.

>>52007745
No one talks about Russ kicking Magnus' ass.

Also it is brought up. It's just never explicitly stated what happened. Reason why Sanguinus is so worried is because he's worried about being purged, and FW gave us the Omega Codex.

Maybe, surprise surprise, it is brought up, just not written.

I doubt that Betrayer encompassed literally every single conversation or topic shared between Angron and Lorgar during the events depicted.

Highly doubt.

>>52007745
The lost primarchs exist solely so that players can create custom 40k SM chapters that are different from what already exists. So you can't define what happened to them in 30k because it will remove that possibility for their flagship game, 40k

If people are interested in the Lost Legions, Inferno has an interesting tidbit hinting that the Rangdan Xenocides might have been the end of a Legion and/or Primarch.

>>52007861

This is also when the Space Wolves began to be known as Executioners.

Sorry, reading the section as I go.

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>>52007689
Not my fault your great-grandparents were boring. One of my great-grandfathers led an interesting life, another was very stereo-typically Jewish.

Then again, one set of great-grandparents was so perdita that my uncle lived a block away from them and neither his wife nor kids ever met them.

>>52007878
I'd say it's fairly obvious they got the epithet from that whole team up with the First to omnicide entire sectors thing. Just like how nobody trusted the Dark Angels afterwards, either.

It seems like Rangda was the Vietnam of the Great Crusade. But I wouldn't know, I wasn't there, suppose I just can't understand.

How would you kill Russ before he chages into your units? I heard that he's a one man deathstar.

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>tfw I just picked up a B@C for $35 from my LGS

Having 6 ML and enough bits for a Mortis with assault gives me some decent AA options while I save up for either an Eagle or Raptor.

Oh shit, I got support squads now, too. I need more drop pods I think for some sweet Orbital Assault.

For those who care..please post this in the permanent links above, the complete HH 7 Inferno, scanned by Scan Anon, compiled and optimized and put in pdf form, by me. Enjoy the collaborative effort!

https://mega.nz/#!HRlEhKIT!C458-tM_AGKRHLij5V2cCDLWl1lIc_voREArOKsp3Z8

>>52008480

You may not be Archive-Bro, but you have done a service in giving a Mega linked version. You have my thanks.

>>52008480
>by me, Lord Whitefang

If you're that Algrim twat, may I advise losing the name here.

>>52008539

Isn't he the one responsible for the copypasta fields of text ripped from the HH Books on the 40k wiki?

>>52008480
Forgive me for asking, but what's the difference between this and the one in the OP?

>>52008549
One is by him, Lord Whitefang.

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>>52008480

>>52008548
Yeah, among even lamer stuff.

Can anyone point me to a list of 30k podcasts

>>52008669
There's Radio Free Isstvan, Eye of Horus, Imperial Truth and our very own Horus Heresay made by /tg/ for /tg/.

I'm totally not shilling for it.

So thoughts and impressions on the fluff so far? I'm utterly bewildered by the poor showing of the TSons psychic powers against the Wolves. Looking at the casualties they got rolfstomped, when half the fluff is saying they were overwhelmingly powerful.

It also doesnt help that in their own fluff section we get 60 marines psychically dominating an entire knight house with 3 loses. Why didn t

Also as a WE fanboi the praise/forgiveness the SW are receiving for their barbarism is kind of grating. The section where it says that Russ and his sons wanted to fight the TSons honorably in CQC, just after they'd tried and failed to orbit-ally bombard the entire place made me laugh.

Anything else sticking out to people who are more knowledgeable about these two legions in particular?

Link to the tg pod?

>>52008688
Remember, it IS written with an intentionally biased perspective.

>>52008704
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jwNf8a_f00&t=191s
its the first episode, and we had a lot of things to try out, so i apologize for the rough quality
should have things up a bit better the next time around

>>52008688
>
Also as a WE fanboi the praise/forgiveness the SW are receiving for their barbarism is kind of grating. The section where it says that Russ and his sons wanted to fight the TSons honorably in CQC, just after they'd tried and failed to orbit-ally bombard the entire place made me laugh.

Wanting to is not the same thing as thinking it's a good idea to. What distinguished the SW from the WE is their discipline and loyalty. Russ knew when not to give in to his urges (most of the time) while Angron just ran around like a lunatic and killed everything in sight.

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>SoS seeker squad fluff mentions them using flamers or more rarely assault needlers
>squad has no options to use assault needlers

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>>52008810
Speaking of WE and being fanbois, what are you guys working on this weekend

It's a pretty great first episode what is the recording schedule going to be? I'm looking forward to the next one

Space Wolves are World Eaters with better PR

>>52009293
glad to hear you liked it, probably be doing the next one in a week or so, but its up in the air at this point
hopefully things are a little bit more structured with the next episode, any suggestions anon?

>>52009273

(Un?)fortunately, my schedule is rather full this weekend, but at some point I need to at least start assembling some tac Marines and magnetizing special weapons. I also need to magnetize my Contemptors and start GSing gaps in my Dreadclaw. Hopefully during the week I can start making a dent.

Only that it can be a little hard to tell between the guests with so many of them

>>52008786
You guys British?

>>52009358

A Canadian, an American, a Kiwi and no idea where the 4th guy is from.

>>52009352
i think we may be making the group a bit smaller and rotating between guests from now on
>>52009358
we have several brits, a couple burgers, a fucking leaf and the host is a kiwi

Kiwi 30k represent

>>52009404

You're the Loyalist Iron Warriors guy right? Or has RGbro returned?

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So Fulgrim suppored Magnus durning the trial of Nikea, but allowed no psykers in his own legion because psykers being a genetic flaw and muh perfection, what the fuck?

Hello anons.

How would you take down the 40k Rowboat with a 30k army?

>>52009444

Use 30k Rowboat on him and hopefully the temporal paradox would eradicate both.

Valdor

>>52008786
Can you guys cut it out with the overlapping audio?

It's really annoying

>>52009473
That's just the problem with having several people talking over one another. if it helps, it was a lot worse before it was edited.

>>52009484
well, it's stupid audio like "raep raep raep" droning on while stuff's being talked about.

>>52009493
Feedback like this is what we need. Thanks for it, I'll try to remove shit like that from the next episode.

>>52009433
It's really a surprise that Fulgrim is a hypocrite.

I'm a bit amused that one of the very few things you'll see Dorn and Peturabo agreeing on is that Magnus needed to be sanctioned

>>52009458
good one!

>>52009528
>*Is it really?

Rite of War:Head of the Gorgon
Points:3000
Praetor, familiar, cataphractii, thunderhammer, MC, digilasers
Castrmen Orth

2x artificier apothecaries, 1 has augury scanner
7 man gorgon squad, 3 chainfists, familiar on sarge
Veteran squad, arti, power weapon, combi flamer on sarge, 2 combi flamers, 2 heavy flamers melta bombs
Veteran squad, arti, power weapon, combi-plas sarge, 3 combi plas, 2 plasma guns melta bombs

2Xrhino tacticals, arti sarge, dozer+combi-weapon on rhino, probably melta but maybe plasma

Deathstorm Drop pod, krak launchers, drop pod assault

2xvindicator squadrons, 2 vindicators with dozer blades and additional bolters

Mastadon Heavy Assault Transport
4 HK missiles, Super-Heavy Command Tank

Any thoughts on it? Primarily meant to be taken to narrative events and beer and pretzels games, plan is to suppress a large area with the deathstorm turn 1, so the mastadon can get into position to vomit out the veterans+ gorgons, and hopefully have the vindicators make it in to blow their load against side armour or any units that are exposed

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>>52009528
Yeah I liked that part too.

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How mad would it drive you if I modeled my Khenetai blade squadron with double lego lightsabers?

>>52009528
I thought Perty and Magnus were friends though?

What are people thoughts on people painting 30k thousand sons as blue and gold with the headdresses because it's pissing me as it just seam lazy and breaks Emerson

>>52009596
not the pants of Mr. Emerson!

>>52009571
I would pity you

>>52009433
Is that an Avatar of Khaine in the background? Poor thing, it's gonna get so many new holes!

>>52009580
Yes, they were.

We'll know more in this book I guess
http://www.blacklibrary.com/whats-coming-soon/march/magnus-the-red.html.html

>>52004504
So the Lost Legions are now possibly lost during the Rangdan Xenocides?

I dunno what entire Space Marine Legions [Redacted] got wiped out.

Also does anyone think there might have been more that 20 legions or primarch-like entities? Given the mention of proto-legions and other dark age gene crafted creations or monstrosities.

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Anyone got this to share?

>>52009484
edit away the awkward silences too.

>>52009720
Scanon did that one ages ago. Check the archives.

>>52009745
What archives?

>>52009686

https://www.4shared.com/office/X3rXWw9Tba/Master_of_Prospero.html

>>52009720

http://www.mediafire.com/file/n6sa64g6aye0bbm/ordo_sinister_john_french.epub

Enjoy.

>>52009580
They were, but Pert was an A-grade paranoiac, and Nikea was pretty late in the Crusade, so relations might be a bit strained by this point

>>52009691
Yeah, there's definitely an impression of one of the Lost Legions becoming Lost there, and combined with the Wolves getting their 'executioner' moniker at that time is suggestive.
Also neat to note the Emperor seems to have done something on Mars (the Labyrinth of Night being mentioned as an alternative name of the Noctis Labyrinth, which is interesting)

Also we know the Rangdan xenos's name, the Cerabvores

Also a nice note to the nod to 'no wolves on Fenris' thing without outright stating anything

>>52009757
Thank you good anon!

>>52008151
I was going to say Ferrus might be able to pull it off by walking backwards and slowing Russ down with his graviton gun while shooting him with his plasma blaster, but given Russ gets an even better invulnerable save against plasma weaponry that's probably not going to work before Russ catches up to him.

>>52009896
To be fair though, Legions can be nearly wiped out and be called "lost".

Hence why initially the Istavaan loyalists who were crushed were considered wiped out for all strategic purposes and reduced to Shattered Legion survivor warbands.

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>>52010001
And Malcador tried to have the Blood Angels declared lost (while Papa Sang and the legion were stuck behind the ruinstorm) and disbanded, so he could get his hands on all the sweet loot on Baal.

How hot the armor must be, and how much heat could Russ withstand to make even Primarchs to feel fucking freezing? IIRC, to lower the temperature you mush absorb heat.

>>52009691
Well Dan Abnett got to come up with his own mary sue Alpha Legion primarch and also his OP pet immortals the Perpetuals who apparently are a similar superhuman subrace as the fucking Emperor.

And since the Ad mech has special snowflake Arch Magos that rival Primarchs, why not have more monstrous or ultra tanky Imperial aligned HQs

you have 15 seconds, and 15 seconds exactly, to fix the Mastodon and make it a viable choice
come up with a reasonable solution, and live. fail, and be reduced to a servitor
good luck, anons

>>52010070
gets ferromantic invulnernability, flare shield and and move through cover and some sort of "ignore alternative damage models like D and haywire".

>>52010070
450 points. Done.

It would take me longer than 15 seconds to look up & read what its rules actually are, so let's just drop the price.

>>52010096
1.yes
2.yes
3.unnecessary
4.yes to haywire, no to D

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>>52010070
oh shit, errrr, slap a heavy 5 D cannon on nit
>nailed it

>>52010122
non 15 seconds version; option to replace the AA gun with some sort of supression gun (like a quad mortar), give it better independent targeting sponsons (like quad lascannons and quad Hbs) lowering the point cost so you can afford to bring it and something to keep within it without playing 10.000 point apocalypse now matches.
Maybe AV15 in the front.

>>52009580
They were, but Perty disagreed about Warp thing. In Master of Prospero he makes Magnus device that would allow normies to perceive the warp, and then smashes it in front of Magnus just to make a point.

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>tfw can't finish my first tac blob until FW order arrives

>>52010372
Why does Morty enjoy smashing toys so much?

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>>52010490
but that was perty anon

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>>52010486

>>52009580
>>52010372
Well, people can still be friends but still disagree on certain things.

What's the appeal of Iron Warriors? Death Guard does everything better while being actually likeable.

>>52010565
IW don't smell weird.

>>52010565
I R O N F I R E.
Why is it that DG get heavy support troops while IWs and IFs don't?

>>52010565
Siege and WMD eradication are quite different IMO.

By the way, which Legion is for urban warfare?

>>52010565
Best bantz.

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Hang on, didn't the Navigator gene evolve during the Age of Terra?
>>52010623
That's not how you spell White Scars

>>52010619
Salamanders are pretty good at it given the actual rules, with a ton of flamers and move through cover on everyone

>>52010619
>By the way, which Legion is for urban warfare?
Death Guard

>>52010637
No Navigators were genetically designed somewhere in the age of technology for better warp travel.

>>52010788
>inb4 the Emperor was behind that as well

Don't think there's any real fluff about it. We just know psykers began emerging and then came the Navigators. Since their abilities are tied to certain bloodlines, it's very possible those abilities were engineered into them, because it it was a natural ability, you'd expect it to appear more randomly alongside other psykers. How it was engineered, I don't know. I suspect selective breeding, rather than full on lab grown.

Why no other race has seen fit to create psykers good at making sense of the Warp, I don't know. I seem to recall some Kroot shapers have small amounts of psychic powers and they use that, among other things, to guide their ships.

>>52010867
Well let's see
>Crons
Don't use the warp
>Eldar
Webway
>Tau
No psykers anyway, so no navigators, also AI.
>Orks
Can't use the warp; don't care and use it anyway

So, Constantine Valdor doesn't have the Legio Custodes special rule.

>>52010915
Eldar are psychic masters, but I don't remember them having anything like Navigators. Chaos forces seem to use whatever Navigators they have and going by the will of the dark gods/daemonic guidance. Orks use the warp, but nothing resembling navigators in abilities. Kroot neither. Tyranids used to use the Warp, but they just seemed to drift in it. There's the pancake bear allies of the Tau who are psychic, but can't into Warp.

>>52010497
Morty and Perty are beginning to slip into one super primarch of autism for me...

>>52010953
>Tyranids used to use the Warp, but they just seemed to drift in it.
Nah, they manipulate gravity to create wormholes, not the warp.

>>52010915
>Orks: Can't use the warp; don't care and use it anyway
Brilliant.

>>52010944
Nope, he'll just have to make do with the Preternatural Skill, The Solidarity and Inviolable Psyche special rules instead.

>>52010976
>used
>to

Helmet Crests, fronty-backy or side-to-sidey? Or should it be one for Searges and one for HQs?

>>52011044
Fronty-backy.

>>52011044
Side to side for officers, back to front on troops. Assault marines and bikers get a top knot instead (less air resistance).

>>52010027
Malcador is that parent who files a missing persons report for their kids because they didn't answer their calls for a couple of days.

>>52011191
Better than Guilliman, who would move out.

Is there any Greek themed Legion? No sarissa-and-aspis is kinda disappointing.

Custodians use halberd not spear :(

>>52011285
Oh also, is Ultras the only Roman themed Legion?

>>52011285
>>52011294
WEs have a sparten/gladiator thing.
Also Perty's homeworld is called Olympia and decimation was a roman practise.

>>52010696

I always imagined night lords would excel in urban warfare, especially since its almost always never a straight up fight.

>>52010027
Well, he did it because BA were considered annihilated. He technically had every right to do so.

>>52011424
I guess in all fairness to Malcador, sending an ex-Ultramarine to deliver the message was quite a clever political move. The Blood Angels may not have spotted it in their anger, but sending someone who's also lost their legion behind the ruinstorm and is now serving Terra however they can is pretty sharp work.

>>52011469
Still a dick move. Is this something new invented by BL again ? Because I don't remember ever hearing before about Malcador claiming Baal as his personal backyard.

Quick question
How does the alpha legion work when it comes to picking loyalist or traitor?
Could I take exodus, omegon and dynat for my loyalist force since theyre supposed to be titles used by any legionaire or are they exclusive to traitor AL?

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>>52011928
Afraid not, all three (assuming you meant alpharius) have this remark on their rules, so they're exclusive to the traitors.

>>52011928
I suppose you want to know if you can take a Banner of the Eye in your loyalist force too.

>>52011957
Bollocks
But considering what BL are doing with omegon being the loyalist, could we ever see unique rules for Omegon?

>>52012058
Nah probably not.

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Putting this Dangel Praetor together atm, is he looking 30k enough HHG? (Also dropped into WIP General.)

>>52012296
You really need to work down that crotch plate.

>>52012296
//HELMET WINGS//

>>52012296
Looks pretty good to me, although whatever you are trying to do with the left shoulder pad looks awful.

>>52009757
Thank you kindly m8

May your paints always be thin

>>52012296
Im really liking it
Although i would recommend swapping the open hand for a fist

>>52012296
It looks good, but you really need to sand down your edges, they look very blocky.

>>52012346
>>52012386
Agreed, the whole thing needs more polish.

>>52012354
Big or small? Are we talking Asterix or Lion Helm?

>>52012384
I'll switch to a fist for the next iteration, see what that looks like. You are probs right.

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Anyone played any games this weekend? Sons of Horus wrecked some World Eaters last night

>>52012451
>I hope he can't see me behind this drop pod
>WHERE ARE YOU YOU LITTLE FUCKER

>>52012451
Stay still, their vision is based on movement...

>>52010619
Raven Guard do it pretty well with all the stealth and CQC focus

>>52012296
he looks like he needs to pee really bad

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>>52012451

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I was gonna take a day off from hobby stuff apart from priming my chaplain but I just couldn't keep my hands off. Tomorrow I'll paint my Chaplain and I'll start these guys on monday. When these are done it'll be half of my PA guys painted.

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>>52012451
Playing some AoS tonight, basecoated the mkIIIs and termies from BoP though, may also play with them.

>>52012451
Defeated some Raven Guard with my ALfags. Managed to roll sieze the initiative and the RG never got the chance to recover from it.

Had another of those strange hunches after deployement. Suddenly was sure that if I got to roll for nightfight I would roll that 6 for siege the initiative. So asked my opponent if he wanted to roll for nightfighting, he said he didn't mind. Rolled, no nightfight, rolled again for sieze, and boom a 6. Purely coincidence ofcourse, but it is interesting every time one of those hunches happens.

Sometimes makes me wonder if I picked the wrong legion to play though, prediction seems to be more of a Thousand Sons thing.

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New player here.

I'm building an Iron Warriors list and I want to incorporate some artillery early on. Would it be less cheesy to buy a couple of quad mortars, a Medusa or maybe a Whirlwind in less than 2000pt games?

How could Horus have won? Was there some great failing of his or was it ton of little things? I feel like he had a solid chance, even though his initial reasoning was shit.

Slightly fixed version of Inferno with much smaller size, but not small enough to compromise the text quality.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/de3l5i29kn69n73/The_Horus_Heresy_Book_7_-_Inferno.pdf

https://mega.nz/#!OFklhA4K!GiwY4FA3rSFJN_9_LACZIRk2yGf_DdhIK7AY8t4PhQk

>>52013109
>How could Horus have won?
Not revealed that he was a massive heretic until the Vengeful Spirit and all the SoH, DG, WE and EC ready to drop.
Everybody that was to be purged on Isstvan would have just been sent away.

>>52013163
So you mean sent the Loyalists away while he aimed for Terra?

>>52012970

The least cheesy option, imo would be the Quad Mortars or the Whirlwind.

Were all of the original Terran Thousand Sons sans Ahriman dead by the time of the Battle of Prospero?

>>52013200
Yeah, just sent away, to fight so ayy lmaos or something.

How good is the land raider achilles?

>>52004892
>Sekhmets probably aren't meant to be able to choose their psychic powers
Then they would have, like every other pysker that generates, used the word generate instead of choose.

>>52008164
How, when, where, what

>>52009433

Fulgrim was more like "I'm not into that shit, but I´m fine if you do".

Like, he doesn't mind others doing shit and being imperfect, he just don't want his dudes being imperfect.

Like, only because you're not into a certain thing doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone else.

>>52013129
Thanks, man!

>>52013129
Thank you.
Fuck the other guy.

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>kid, you wanna buy some Phosphex?

>>52013658
Plz, dad, no!

>>52013370
Plus it makes sense from the fluff standpoint. They are super special psyker termies, so it makes no sense to have shitier selection than ordinary terminators.

Really, what they need is points hike, to something like 270+40ppm.

>>52013658
how much for a sack?

>>52013238
No, many of the named Captains were not from Prospero. You could extrapolate to that there may have been some Terran TS still alive.
The only still living non-Prosperine TS I know of is Ctesias.
And he wasn't born on Terra

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>>52013658

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Does anyone know if the Templar Brethren upgrade set works with those plastic Mark IV marines?

Which legion used the various Dreadnoughts the most ????

>>52014031
Death Guard

>>52014025
No reason it shouldnt, but there are plastic mark IIIs and that would look way better.

>>52013129

Thanks. Now I have a lower quality for easier mobile viewing. I'll keep the original for my PC, though. The difference is minimal in quality compared to file size, but it's not like I'm hurting for space.

>>52013109
The two failings were both Istvaan-related imo : 1) Angron went full Angron but survivors still got out, 2) prettyboy Fulgrim didn't manage to get one of the strongest legions and their primarch on side.

The flight of the Eisenstein warned the galaxy at large, turning what could have been a lightning coup into a protracted civil war

Ferrus and his Legion were probably his biggest missed chance - Ferrus was another early-found primarch with a lot of respect, experience and a strong legion, he was very close to Horus, as well as being a proud, prickly bastard with a few dark secrets, so he was fairly turnable - certainly more so than any other of the loyalists save Khan (worth noting that G-money reckoned him skilled/loyal to big E on a similar level to Dorn, Russ and papa Sang)

>>52014053
What I'm worried about is the position of the arms since the upgrade set doesnt seem to come with any. I assume that the marines are modelled for holding bolters, not swords and shields?

2500 points of sisters of silence
The vehicles suit the sister aesthetic tgan custodes and also they need the support

HQ
Krole
150 pts

Raptor Knight Cadre x10
Aquisitor
295 pts

Knight Centura
75 pts

Knight Centura
75 pts

Troops
Vigilator Cadre x10
Aquisitor
270 pts

Vigilator Cadre x10
Aquisitor
270 pts

Vigilator Cadre x10
Aquisitor
270 pts

Fast Attack
Pallas Squad x3
255 pts

Persuer Cadre
x3 Jackals, Meltagun, Aquisitor
225 pts

Persuer Cadre
x3 Jackals, Meltagun, Aquisitor
225 pts

Heavy Support
Pallas Grav Tank
195 pts

Pallas Grav Tank
195 pts

Total: 2500 pts

Krole goes with the Raptors, Centuras go with the Persuers

>>52014168
The templar brethren upgrade set actually comes with arms for the shields, one arm holding a powersword and one arm with solarite gauntlet. So you'd only need 3 or 4 arms from the plastic kit itself, or convert them.

>>52014157
I agree Horus would have had a much easier time with Ferrus on his side, but I don't get where people think Ferrus was an easy primarch to turn. Like you said yourself, Girlyman held him in high regard, which kind of implies he'd be hard to flip.

But basically, you think that Horus was fucked from the get-go, right?

>>52012706
You're an inspiration.

>>52012296
Why not put some wings on the helmet?

>>52013129
Thank you!

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>>52013658

>>52014324
>Like you said yourself, Girlyman held him in high regard, which kind of implies he'd be hard to flip.

I'm not one to disparage my Primarch, but he utterly failed to gauge Lorgar's loyalty.

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>>52014267
Aight, thanks a bunch! Time to get me some templars!

>>52014324
Honestly the way it's written it seems like even at the FINAL SHOWDOWN between him and the Emp he still had a chance of winning. Hell, the fact that the Emp got sent to a coma just shows that it wasn't the usual curbstomp.

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So how many are there?

>>52014883
Perhaps they only ever had five in active service at a time?

I imagine those five would be active somewhere in the Imperial palace.

>>52014883
By the time the Emperor locked himself away on Terra there were 20 Ordo Sinister titans organized into 4 groups of 5 apiece.

The location of the other 5 Warlords from The Oblation is for you to decide. Perhaps they were used for another purpose, and the Emperor just made a bulk order of Warlords. Perhaps the Ordo had irreparably lost 5 Warlords by the time the Heresy happened. Perhaps the fifth chamber was lost when the webway collapsed.

Personally, I have a bad feeling that they were dispatched to an Ultramarine garrison world to help support Guilliman when he's resurrected by xenos warp magicks ten thousand years in the future.

>>52012451
>Oh god he saw me...

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>>52013658
>how much for 10 canisters?

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>>52013658
>Good thing I have a Siege Master and the Ironfire

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THE ACCOLADES DORNAHLD

Has there been any new word on the epic reboots development?

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I was planning to play a Loyalist TS army, but after reading this, I'm lost. It basically says anything outside the 4th and 6th Fellowships were killed to the last man.

The only way I see is to play it being from a period after the Imperium finally noticed they'd need psykers to have a chance against the traitors and having Blood Angels/White Scars meeting such stranded group, letting them redeem their Legion if they fought the traitors...

Also,
>fuck smurfs
>fuck bolter bananas

>>52015279
>Majority of 2 Fellowships weren't there
>2 systemship's worth of dudes escape
>Small numbers of most of the other elements weren't there

If you can't make an army from that you're being absurdly picky.

Or you could, you know, just build your army around a pre-Prospero concept.

>>52015359
Different anon, no fuck you.

Fuck the Imperium and it's contingency plans, muh Custodes made to kill Muhreens, muh Muhreens med 2 keel Tundar Wurriors.

Pisses me off, I want my Thunder Warriors to be techno barbarians that fight with the merciless evil from the Dark Age of technology.

FFFFFFFFF

>>52015443
The part of your brain that made you think this would be a worthwhile thing to post? Stop listening to it.

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>>52013658
hook me up

>>52015466
Sperging out aside, the Custodians design is becoming increasingly ham fisted.

Every other reference to them doesn't need to be an allusion to some darker intent in their creation.

>>52014883
Perhaps the five were used for prototyping.

>>52015359
Did you read in the image I posted that almost all main contingents in campaigns far from Prospero were brought to 'Imperial Justice'?

Yes, I can make an army with those other 2, but I was expecting the campaigning armies to be locked down and either released or forced/invited to fight the traitors. Now they were simply killed. Bummer.

How fucking salty are the Adepticon guys about the Thousand Sons? They nerfed them in their FAQ.

>>52015528
Sure, but I'm not certain what that has to do with the other anon wanting to make his TS list from Prospero survivors.
>>52015534
>almost
There you go.

>>52015568
I don't want to make from those leaving Prospero, I'd like to make from those who were already away or sent with the fleet elsewhere by Magnus. That box seems to me that those groups were pratically exterminated, 4th and 6th Fellowships aside.
I'd like to know if there's a way to play others, like 5th, 7th and/or Order of Ruin - or even better, a mix of them - and still keep true to the lore of 30k.

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>>52015549
What do you expect when multiple people on their "decision team" are SW players?

>>52015549
Got a link? That's ridiculous if so. There is no way they can have playtested them enough to accurately make changes in the time since Inferno came out, for one thing.

But, apparently GW will be taking feedback from people at adepticon:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/03/03/adepticon-the-one-thing-you-dont-want-to-miss/
>You’ll also get to see some new game mechanics we’ve got in mind for existing games and give us your thoughts.
...so maybe we're all doomed to endure fuckwitted suggestions.

>>52015691
From what i've heard, it's about only allowing Magnus to D classic Witchfires and ruling that Sekhments have to generate powers.

I've yet to read their FAQ. Actually, i'll try to see if i can find it on the internet.

>>52015691
Crap. All they need is to listen to ITC as well and both of my armies will get nerfs ahoy...

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Wonder if that pelt goes onto a cataphractii without problems or if they had to modify stuff to make it happen.

>>52015623
Well, the fluff is deliberately, on-purpose, clearly (etc) not killing every single TS who didn't teleport out.
They even wrote in a never-before head of group who stole some spaceships and broke the blockade, so that players could have 'were at Prospero but didn't go to the EoT' Your Dudes.

You just say Your Dudes survived the attempt to wipe them out, saw it coming with precog and split, and if you want a mix, they were a mixed force (examples in the fluff) or managed to find the 20 guys from another group.

Just invent what you want your fluff to be, anyone that tells you that you couldn't have a mixed survivor force from the extermination order is being insanely strict and judgemental.

Also you have 2 whole Fellowships to make your army from, they weren't deployed all together. Don't give up on your dreams, anon.

>>52015691
>Sekhmet must generate randomly (Zardu still gets to pick)
>Novas, Beams, Focused Witchfires are not Witchfires

And they clarified the Psyker IC powers effecting units he joins and vice versa, although the wording was shit (ironic?) and just led to more confusion about something that wasn't all that confusing.

>>52016026
I like your reply. This is more or less what I was looking for. Thanks.

>>52016082
>Novas, Beams, Focused Witchfires are not Witchfires

So, what are they? lol

>>52015726
Seems reasonable as long as Russ's armour is nerfed as well.

Lorgar Transfigured gets to pick his powers in their FAQ as well.

>It's okay when the Word Bearers do it

>>52015726
>>52016082
Those seem fine. Magnus' doombubble was fucking dumb, and you should roll on Biomancy anyway. I'm sad about Sekhmets, but they are still pretty strong troops anyway.
>>52016107
>Yiffs
>getting nerfed

>>52016118
Hey, he gets to pick on shit disciplines, not awesome ones such as Pyro and TK! :^)

>>52016107
>Nerfing Space Wolves

It's like waiting GW to nerf Eldar.

>>52016136
>>52016141
Hey, I said reasonable. I know that by that statement it wasn't happening.

When it comes to gw wishlisting, "I was pretending to be retarded " should be assumed

>>52015443

Were Thunder Legionaries larger than even Custodian warriors?

>>52009401

We have two or three leafs if not more.

>>52015806
ITC?

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>Need contemptor feet to repose the BaC Dread
>Go to ebay
>Used to seeing dozens of them, alongside many other forgeworld bitz
>Not a single foot to be found
>mfw

Man, even the flesh change affected the non-psychic Thousand Sons. That's rough.

>>52016276
https://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/frontline-gamings-independent-tournament-circuit/

>>52015279
Take a further look down in the book, scananon provided a page before the full release just about this issue.

It mentions the teleport incident that happened at the end of the battle and the fact that a shitload of TS were present at the battle for Terra. Couple this with the funky time-warp-magic going on and you can easily see where this is headed; a shitload were never actually killed or were indeed revived by sorcerous means.

>>52016531
I know, but these are Traitors. I want to make a Loyalist army.

>>52014157
There was more to it than that. Angron initially fucked up the whole battle plan at Isstvan, but there were other problems even before that. Fulgrim and Mortarion sent away thousands of soldiers who may have been loyal to them, and incompetence on the side of the offending Traitors attacking the defending Loyalists killed thousands who might have not needed to die if only they had decent commanders.

Then there was lots of shit during the actual HH, in the years between Isstvan and the fina siege. Infighting, insubordination, conflicting agendas, more incompetence, and so on. Horus was bitter as fuck that he got a bunch of retards, cutthroats and madmen to command while all the guys who had their shit together was fighting against him.

And then you've got the Siege of Terra. Even that was a clusterfuck. It was bad enough that it was fully fortified and, again, Horus' boys generally weren't the smartest or most disciplined, but then Fulgrim and his Legion stopped helping with the offensive and instead went off in a completely different direction to harass the civilian population, and suddenly Horus was effectively one full Legion shorter on manpower than he'd planned on being.

>>52008681
Hick waac faggots in denial, Australian emotionally stunted failures, or an English loner retard.
Great choices

Of the Primarchs who don't have models yet, (Sanguinius, Dorn, Alpharius, Lion, Khan and 30k Magnus), which do you think will be done justice and which will be aesthetically displeasing (for you)?

I think they'll all be pretty good, but Khan and the Lion could be wild cards. It's a tall order to get Sanguinius right too, but I have confidence FW will get it right.

>>52016692
>hick waac faggots
>one regularly goes on tirades about how the new rules are breaking the game
are you retarded anon

>>52012851
Humanity is awakening to the powers in our DNA. Walk the path of the Psychic, Anon!!

>Whole Expeditionary fleets went to their deaths without a single survivor, worlds were laid waste, dozens of Titan Legions were obliterated and by the end, entire Space Marine Legions [REDACTED SECTION] lost to the Imperium.

It seems the 2 missing died in the Rangdan Xenocides

>>52016883
So it is as often thought, they were put down because they were corrupted/possessed by Xenos.

>>52013481
So he's a libertarian.

>>52016292
Did he died ?

Whatever happened to that lady who captained the Conqueror in Betrayer? Lotara Sarrin, I think her name was. I heard her ship turned up in BFG under somebody else's command.

>>52016923
I wouldn't be surprised if his reasoning went something like, "I don't mind it if you guys want to be a bunch of imperfect monkeys, because that'll just make me and my boys more perfect by comparison."

The guy's an asshole.

>>52007360
>>52007612

They're brought up in Inferno. It talks about Slaugth and Khrave in the North having destroyed numerous army groups, titan legions, and at least one full legion. So one Legion bit it in the Rangdan Xenocides.

>>52016993
He really is. Seriously worst primarch.

"Lmao, this voice in my head must be part of my conscience!"

so as someone who fucking hates the myrmidon secutor design, does any one know of any good count as version? like jesus christ FW, you couldn't even make a pair of plasma fusils? and the axes are driving me positivly insane. I want kind of the same style of model (so a robed huge dude) - any ideas?

>>52017068
I never liked that plot point. Honestly, if there's any Primarch who ought to get his arc given a do-over by the writers, it's Fulgrim. His whole thing with the daemon sword just doesn't hold up well.

>>52016189
The only piece of fluff in which Thunderwarriors are 'hueg' is The Outcast Dead ... which I wouldn't trust too much as a reliable source of information

>>52016482
Inferno even hints at it that the Flesh Change actually had no connection to the Thousand Sons' psychic potential, but has always been Tzeentch just fucking with them to make sure they'd become his pawns.

>>52016581
Look, there have been a lot of attempts to help you out, but all you do is come up with more reasons why it isn't possible. Face it, you don't actually want to play TS at all.

>>52017208
Someone already gave me good points in how to do it. And of course I want to play TS, they're the reason I went full dive in warhammer

>>52016857
My biggest concern is that when Alpharius is finally getting his model, it's gonna be hueg. Which should not be the case, how is he suppose to pretend to be a marine when he is twice or thrice the size of one ?

And they'll probably find some way to change his rules so that all the models people converted in the eternity between Alpharius' rules and the actual model will be invalidated.

>>52016864
Don't Listen to What People Say, Look at What They Do

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Ummm
What exactly is this thing?
I might be retarded but i cant find anything like it in the talons section

It's not in it, it's going to be added afterwards

Do you use your legion's special terminators? Why or why not?

>>52017642
no, because they don't really offer enough variety that normal termis can't do already (AL)

>>52016883
>...entire Space Marine Legions were committed to the theatre and suffered terrible losses. Such a staggering loss of manpower was suffered that primarch II was said to have wept at all the future glories lost to the Imperium.

You can write any old piece of shit (like above) in between those clauses.

Not that I'm actually disagreeing with you, it's rather a strong suggestion, but as usual, there's enough room for argument you can float a space hulk through it.

>>52017642
Yes, because 5 chainfist attacks on the charge sergant and conversion beamers are damn cool.

>>52017468

That should be the size of a Warhound or at least a Knight judging by custodes sizes

>>52017665
>>52017726
typical AL responses. (its all a lie anyway)

The TS bro trying to find his fluff has made me curious.
Would people post your army fluff in as short a possible sentence(s)? The concept, I'm not gonna read umpteen paragraphs.

>>52013439

I got my last one from him for $85 because it sitting for awhile and no one was buying it. He gave me $50 credit for helping out with an event, and while we were chatting outside, I saw the other box in the window that we both forgot about. Thus, $35 BaC

I thought few ships w/ non-Traitor marines got out of Prospero right before Russ arrived at the planet. Was it from A Thousand Sons?

And some of them came back to ruined Prospero and sworn to rebuild the Legion IIRC. Always thought that's how the Blood Ravens started.

>>52017782

Sure, my Thousand Sons dudes are Terrans who volunteered to accompany a Rogue Trader flotilla tasked with ranging far in advance of the Great Crusade's frontlines as consultants.

>>52017642
Yes, because Siege Tyrants are simple yet effective.

>>52017835
He sent away his fleet, it had marines on them. 4th Fellowship in the main. They scattered to four separate areas.
The captain of the 4th came back on a sloop with one squad to see what happened. They all got killed by World Eaters except one, which was Arvida.

Civilian ships leaving Prospero when the Censure Host arrived were captured. Kallimakus was on one of them.

After the battle, a large unit of Sons, Spireguard and civilians who had been cut off and contained far away from the teleport locus managed to break out and steal a couple of ships from the spaceport. The ran the blockade and, as of this moment, vanished from history.

>>52017835
>I thought few ships w/ non-Traitor marines got out of Prospero right before Russ arrived at the planet. Was it from A Thousand Sons?

Both ATS and in Inferno.

>>52017782
Genetor techpriest Reductor Fleet, originally from Xana. They're in the middle of nowhere and experiment on all the flora and fauna they can find to make weapons of war, as they were tasked with analyzing and eliminating scary Xenos during the Crusade. Now, they're raiders in Xanatite colours, almost entirely mercenary. Slowly going more and more heretical.

>>52017782
Mine's non-fluffy as hell, but oh well.

A company of loyalist SoH who weren't present at Isstvan because they were so far away. They re-colored and re-named themselves the LW and engaging in the guerrilla warfare.

>>52017468
Thought there was an entry for it in the HS section, but that's the shield and sword one.

Wait, why is the shield and sword dreadnought in Heavy Support and the dreadnought with all the guns in Elite? That doesn't make sense.

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At which point exactly did the Thousand Sons become traitors ?
Was it when they violated the Nikea edict ?
When Magnus broke the webway project ?
When they fought back against the SW wrecking their homeworld ?
Or when Magnus sided with Horus because there were no longer other options left to choose ?

>>52017642
Well sure, 2+/4++ 2W Terminators are pretty good. Sucks that their special heavy weapon is multi-melta though. Even a bicycle has Armoured Ceramite on these days I heared.

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>>52017642
Yes and no.
No because we don't have them, yes because our regular termies are superior.

>tfw we'll get two-wound WS5 Huscarls and Templar termies in the next book to deal with the Fists several years from now :(

>>52018069
When Ahriman pulled the Rubric?

But even then Ahriman seemed quite loyal to me for some reason.

>>52018069
>At which point exactly did the Thousand Sons become traitors ?
>Was it when they violated the Nikea edict ?
Yes.

>>52017835
Magnus scuttled the entire Thousand Sons fleet long before Russ arrived. He didn't want them to be suspicious and also knew they'd retaliate since they'd be on patrol in the system and pick up Russ first so he had no choice but to send them off. Which is why its a good bet that one ship created the Blood Ravens chapter later. The story you are thinking of is Rebirth.

>>52017731

Warhounds are a bit bigger than you are remembering, but it may be taller than a leviathan

>>52018110
>Dark Angels, White Scars, Space Wolves, Raven Guard and Ultramarines are now traitors

Yes, come to the dark side.
Well, fuck off Wolves, go hang out with your pure world spirit that lives in your Dark Age Tech manufactured prison world

>>52016857

Dorn will be done perfectly fine, Magnus will be okay.

Everyone else won't be done true justice.

>>52018147
Remember when Nikaea was "No sorcery" rather than "No psykers"?
Fun times.
And yes they are traitors, luckily they made it up later, and proved there worth.

>>52017642
No, I don't find the Wolf Guard terminators to be of any use to me.

>>52018069
I like to draw the distinction between "secular treason" and HERESY.

Magnus committed benign secular treason when he broke the edict of Nikaea. This became grave secular treason when he went all emo and refused to acknowledge Russ and the fleet sent to bring him into custody/kill him.
He became a traitor proper when he used the dark powers of the warp to escape Prospero.

Individual Thousand Sons didn't really get the choice over whether to commit secular treason, since the Space Wolves attacked them and they had no idea what was going on and no time to be to intelligent to defend their homeworld. They did, however, have the choice of accepting Tzeentchian powers from the warp, though (unless stated otherwise in canon) I think the ones who didn't use full Chaos-tier warp shenanigans in the Burning of Prospero simply died.

>>52018203
Do you use regular SW termies?

>>52018162
I fear this, but I'm still quietly confident about Alpharius.

>>52017642
Well, Sekhmets are a bit funny - they can have power fists on their power fists.
But I'll use them, even if they are 'special'.

>>52018218
I like this post

>>52018218
Imagine being in the thousand sons, just back to business fater Nikaea and keeping a cap on your powers and then Magnus disappears for months until one day an entire legion fleet opens fire on your planet and starts butchering the garrison.

>>52017782
Dark Angel's accompanied by a knight errant messing up traitor shit in the Segmentum Tempestus and maybe up to something else and also possibly traitors.

>>52018232
>Do you use regular SW termies?

Yes.

>>52018276
May I ask why you prefer them to Varagyr?
I've been considering a Varagyr squad in an allied detachment for my Fists

>>52018218
>tfw a chaos god makes sure you will have to choose between working for him, or the extinction of you, and all those and that you hold dear.

Chaos is worst stepdad.

Is plasma the best thing to deal with Custodes?

>>52018291

Only ADB and ADB apologists will argue against otherwise.

>>52018309
Just as many shooting as you can throw at them untill they stop breathing. AP 2 does help, but volume of fire is really important as well.

>>52018291
I wonder why he even bothered, I mean, is a couple of tens of thousands of 1KSons really a great bolster to a force of infinite daemons?

Did they explain why the TS is especially weak against Perils/Flesh change? Other Legions had psykers too as far as I know.

>>52018367
Tzeentch dickerings.
Also no one drank the koolaid harder than a TSon psyker.

>>52018367
Genetic flaw installed by Tzeentch.

>>52018357
Merely the irony of an army of soulles, unchanging, non-mutating automatons serving the god of change would have been reason enough for Tzeentch. But Thousand Sons having the strongest most talented and accomplished psykers, along with Magnus who is about as powerfull a psyker as the Emperor himself was likely also a big reason.

And don't forget daemons cannot stay inside the material realm forever except for constant sacrifices or a warp breach.

>>52018386
According to Inferno it most likely was actually genetic flaw magnified by Tzeentch dicking, as the warp storms on Prospero during the later stages of the battle had just as many SW turn into wulfen as TS suffering from the fleshchange

>>52018288
Cost, mostly, for what I see as quite minimal gains. +1 WS, frost weapons and some special rules. A command squad can put on Cataphractii and you got the same amount of wounds, WS, and the ability to issue and accept challenges for 90pts. less. You do lose out on stubborn, fear and a quite situational Hammer of Wrath. As well as frost weapons, which is only really an issue if you were going for swords, axes and claws in the first place.

There's always the option to just give them RACs, but that's 345pts. for what amounts to 5 TL autocannons.

>>52018309
More or less, or charging them with termies/2+ AP2 melee troops. As the other guy said though, volume of fire is important.
You could wipe an average squad of custodes out with the rapid-fire of a large plasma team, but that's probably about as viable as taking them to reliably counter terminator-heavy PotL lists, with the differences being more MSU, no Spartans, and the Custodes being faster.

>>52018357
Tzeentch wanted Magnus to destroy the Emperor's webway project and then to be unavailable to the Emperor to replace him on the golden throne.

>>52018480
Good points.
Do you think multiple flamers would make them more worth it (even though there's no overwatch)?

And if you were going to change them, do you think 2 wounds would cut it or would you want something broader?

>>52018482
To my experience, charging them isn't a good idea, specially if they have the sword that adds more attacks with the to hit of 6

Thousand Sons should have discovered Malal.

>>52017782
IW that managed to force their command to fight for the loyalist cause after the Dark Mechanicus abducted the popumation of and destroyed the world they were defending. Now thrown out of the world since they were near a traitor Forgeworld and didn't stand a chance, sworn ennemies with the Dark Mechanicus.

Logar vs. Magnus vs. Horus: who should the Emperor have sat down with, have a lots of beer and have a lengthy conversation until one of them cry out loud?

>>52018527
2 wounds, start unit size at 4 or less and enable them to be taken as Command Squad. Then I might use them instead of my current command squad.